Nioh - Worst Demo Ever
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>No real tutorial
>Half the mechanics it explains does it poorly while the other half it doesnt mention at all
>Complain because I am left to guess the rules of the game on my own (wtf)
>Le git gud casul xD
I fucking hate all of you.
Experiment.
>>336193654
Conquered detected
Only conquerors have the right to complain desu
get gud
>>336193841
This desu, OP sounds like a conquered though so oh well
>>336193654
There is a menu section for the tutorial messages.
Experiment.
Also git gud.
Someone post the copy pasta on this conquered faggot.
git guud
Is this the DSP thread?
>>336193654
It is the most fun I have with a game this entire year, and it is just a demo. I am now now looking forward to buying it. I think it did it's job, meaning it is a great demo.
>>336193654
for real though, these games arent made for casuals like you. you can try, you can even get mad, but you cant say shit if you gave up
> voice overs plus text every time a mechanic is introduced
> videos for every skill
> every skill tells you what it does, how it functions, and why you should use it
> encyclopedia in the menu for every mechanic that was introduced
Sounds like you're just a bitch.
Conquered fagot leave
>>336193654
hi DSP
Is this you OP?
>>336193654
t. conquered
>>336194159
>>336194247
DSP did pretty well in NIOH, actually. The OP is objectively worse than DSP.
>Nioh demo threads are really nice; the same 150-ish posters discussing tactics, mechanics and history/mythology of Japan
>The tone is overall similar to those Hong Kong-import Demon's Souls threads
>Nioh threads will undoubtedly be married when it actually hits by platform war shitposting and by being "that game that DSP was streaming when he jerked off on cam"
;_;
;_;
>>336194467
did that really happen?
Gettu guddo desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPmUPfN33a8
go back to your batman games where the tutorial keps showing up even during the credits.
For fucks sake you can't even read the menu and find that there's a tutorial section on it. much less experiment the buttons
>>336194286
Wow. Just wow.
I cannot comprehend someone this bad at video games being a journalist for them. This is probably one of the few games I have ever felt confident enough to say I am good at and I have to say it was not hard after you learn the mechanics. How is someone so bad they didn't even fucking equip the sword?
>>336193654
thoroughly conquered
>No real tutorial
>Half the mechanics it explains does it poorly while the other half it doesnt mention at all
>Complain because I am left to guess the rules of the game on my own (wtf)
>Le git gud casul xD
I fucking hate all of you.
>>336194676
I hate this shit. Tomb Raider did the exact same thing, albeit subtly. Seriously Lara. Shut the fuck up and let me figure this shit out on my own. I fuck up a few times? Fine. Whatever. I'll fucking figure out. I don't need my hand held. That's what I have a brain for, to think and learn.
>>336194467
Naw the difficulty really seems to keep dark souls shitters out pretty well. And who cares about some literal who forgetting to turn his face cam off?
at least /v/ isn't arguing about a white guy being the main character, right
So what do you think the special dlc will be? A full armor set or a weapon?
>>336194880
Majority of /v/ didn't play Demon's because everyone here is a PC fag only who started with Dark.
>>336194951
Tbqh I thought tomb raider did tutorials pretty well.
>>336194968
That literal who also likes Nioh, you cuck. DSP is the only one who can rub one off on Youtube and still live better than Anthony Burch and the guy who gets whored by the Nintendo Prostitute.
>>336195018
A battle flag with the mark that you can wear with special properties.
>>336195014
We've had /pol/ shitters trying to stir up trouble over William a few times this week.
>Getting this asshurt because everyone told you to stop being retarded last thread.
Again, kek.
Literally get good you fucking cuckold. It's not a hard game, retards like you are the reason why every game has a mandatory 20 minute tutorial. Every mechanic is explained to you through exploring the level.
I'm going to lose my fucking mind when this game releases and it's been changed for all the casual crybabies like OP. I've been waiting for it for 10 years and it's going to get gimped for release.
>DSP drained his energy before playing Nioh and still beat it
>I still cant get pass the first guy on the beach
>>336195018
Ryu Hayabusa skin
>>336193654
Somebody got fucking conquered.
>>336195217
Am I supposed to care about your e celeb crush? Just because he also likes nioh does not instantly make him cool or worthy to watch. E celeb shitposting needs to be banned on /v/
>>336194286
To be fair I didn't know I had a weapon until I visited the shrine and equipped there.
>>336195018
Literally a mark of a conqueror. A flag to carry around.
>>336195440
I'd love this, no joke.
I am level 42, beat both bosses, got Raikiri, etc. I have seen some people with a ninja outfit; do you farm the ninja enemies in the second area for that set?
>>336195640
There was a dead reverent right when I started I thought you had to kill him to get his sword
>>336195240
>a battleflag
Holy shit I want this. I imagine you won't be able to roll while it is equipped but who cares when I can look stylish as hell
>>336195769
There are no ninja sets to my knowledge. Only thing that comes close is scout armor.
>>336193654
It explains everything except Ki-Pulse.
You just got conquered.
>>336195791
>>336195640
I literally picked one up off the ground next to me. The big glowing yellow ass thing that looked like a HEY GRAB THIS that the camera FUCKING PANNED OVER at the start.
Fucking retards.
>Tfw I dumped everything into Heart because I didn't want to run out of breath
I'm lvl 9 How screwed am I?
>>336195926
And weapon switching mid combos
>>336195926
It also explains ki pulse through one of the spirit voices
Its how I became aware of it
>>336196027
Come back to complain after you beat the first level. Also how how to pulse.
>>336193654
Alpha m8
Ki pulse is basically active reload.
>>336195926
It explains ki pulse.
>>336196027
Not even kinda screwed. Heart is a good stat and you need 12 heart for really good katanas. Just dump some in magic for the sloth scrolls and body for some more health. Also strength and skill deoending on what weapons you intend to use.
>>336195983
I must have missed the cutscene or something or picked it up without knowing what it was
>>336196027
katanas scale with heart so you're fine
Post casual filters.
>>336196289
>I must have missed the cutscene
It was literally the first one after you hit "New Game."
>>336196231
>magic for the sloth scroll
That's a waste. Get the Kekkai Talismans instead. Also Fire Shuriken.
>>336196205
Basically yes. But I can't think of anyone using that system in a melee based combat game before and it works surprisingly well.
>>336195426
What
Just take your time dude. Don't run in mashing. Walk away from him, wait for him to swing, then kill him.
So... I picked water talisman. What the fuck is the status symbol that is being applied to the enemy?
>>336196412
>Don't run in mashing
Anything but "spam R1 and roll" does not compute with Souls babies.
>Looking at the skill tree
>See one that says something like ''medusa ray-paralyzes enemies''
>Think it will turn them into stone statues to smash with a hammer
>Its just a shitty smoke bomb that staggers them
Wasted opportunity.
>>336196362
You are a waste faggot. It helps newbies learn how to deal with boss attacks at a slower pace. I use it whenever I do co op to help them learn the boss' movements. Kekkai is just an automatic ki pulse basically and as such doesn't do anything truly unique like sloth scroll.
>>336193654
Tsuyoku ni narou yo
>>336195426
You don't have to fight the glowing red corpses you know.
>>336195440
I'll take 20
ONLY CONQUERORS MAY REPLY TO THIS POST
Failures can instead download this subsitute reward phone wallpaper
>>336196493
Fuck off you tribalstic shitter, I like Souls too and you can't mash your way out of those either
Well, maybe Bloodborne early on
>>336196362
Sloth is pretty good honestly. It can cause a delay on yokai regenerating their shield allowing you to stun that since it takes three hits for the regen to be interrupted. Couple it with kekkai and you'll basically never have to deal with bosses regenerating their stamina on top of getting more hits to charge your guardian spirit.
>>336196660
kek
>>336196491
Water fucks with enemy stamina regeneration or something if I remember right. We don't really know too well what the status effects do as of right now hell even two different elements can combine to create a new status effect.
>>336194303
>tfw not burch
>tfw not dsp
>tfw not op aka worse than dsp
conquererboyz
>>336196318
>Enemies will literally not stop chasing you until you are dead
>>336196660
I raughed heartily fellow gaijin baka conqueror.
I was one of the first 50 people to conquer it. How about you?
>>336196732
What about wind
>>336196820
You are literally lying right now.
>>336196674
How is it "tribalistic" to point out that Souls players downloaded this demo and cried about the difficulty because it's actually difficult? In their underdeveloped brains every hard game has to be exactly like Dark Souls (ie: easy) or it's artificial difficulty.
>feel like OP for a bit
>cleanse salt
>git gud
>enjoy game
>just beat second run
Some problems imo and my autism doesn't like the impernanence of loot but I'm sure glad I pursed the salinity
>>336193654
can someone tell me what anime this is
>>336196862
No you weren't, people don't rate shit so that's a low ball.
>>336196660
I'm at the Statue-Men Shrine but I'm still in the process of kicking Nue's ass.
Sometimes I can take off 40% of his life with my Shark after stunning him but I never really last too long.
I'm considering dropping some equip-load so I can dash around more.
>>336196878
This game was easier than dark souls for me to be honest
>>336196876
Well at least on the first level a gang of guys from the forest chased me back to the beach
>>336196557
Kekkai refills you stamina at sonic levels while instantly dispelling and underworld aoes. It is OP as hell.
>>336196820
Actually, they will. You just need to break lone of sight.
>>336196878
Yeah okay have fun with your shitposting anon
>>336195440
>Tengu skin
No matter what it turns out to be, The Mark of the Conqueror is significant.
Before I say why I need to divide the Souls community into two general groups - Conquerors and Conquered - and quickly define both.
Both have basically been around since Demon's Souls, but the very nature of the Conquered demands that the Conquerors come first. Why? Because Conquers beat the path and light the way. Afterward, like mold or a rot, the Conquered seep into the community, ever at the heels of the Conquerors.
How is that? Either by a lack of information upon release or due to a self-imposed restriction, the Conqueror goes in blind. Conquerors embrace the challenge From Software has extended with each release in their Souls/Bloodborne Series while the Conquered abhor it. While Conquerors scratched and clawed their way through levels and boss fights, the Conquered poured over FAQs, Strategy Guides, Wiki Articles, Google Search Results, Let's Plays and How to Videos.
Therefore the Conquered subsist by virtue of the illumination spread over From's games by the Conquerors, entirely dependent on it. Overtime they've let themselves forget this, fancying themselves old hands as they bring their borrowed knowledge and tactics to bear on each successive release.
And then here comes fucking Nioh, reminding the Conquered who they really are. And with little to no documentation in sight they hide behind shitposts so they can cling to that "gud" status they worked so hard to attain. Eventually they'll be back. Once the Conquerors have shown the way, that is.
And that's why The Mark of the Conqueror is significant. No matter how superficial, uselessly cosmetic or quickly outclassed it is, it stills says I'm not this nigga >>336193654
No, I'm a Conqueror.
>>336196660
Beat the 1st stage today. Working on the second.
When I first started I did nothing but summon wraiths because I just thought that was the game (they're everywhere on the beach). I was shocked when there were ordinary enemies and how easy they were.
>>336193654
>Complain because I am left to guess the rules of the game on my own (wtf)
Except you're not, you must have been purposely trying to avoid the shit that tells you to miss it and if you can't figure it out anyway you're literally retarded.
When did "gamers" become such dribbling retards they can't figure things out for themselves anymore?
>>336196660
Moshi moshi, Conqueror desu.
>>336196978
Why does everyone use sharku against him?
Is water good vs electricity? Has pokemon taught me wrong?
>>336196820
they end you for you're shamfur dispray
>>336196937
Sacred black smith
>>336196937
Sacred Blacksmith. And none of that is edited.
I fucking hate that show so much. Right before this scene he asks her to keep the monster or whatever busy so he can magic up a katana, and she just walks forward towards it then turns her head around and stares at his dumb ass for five minutes while he does it.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior
>>336196937
Sacred Blacksmith.
She gets raped.
Then after backlash she gets "raped but not actually raped"
>>336197098
>When did "gamers" become such dribbling retards they can't figure things out for themselves anymore?
Around 2007 when more females started playing games because of le epic gaymer gurl memes in Portal.
>>336193654
/v/'s taste when it comes to non western games is usually terrible.
>>336197098
Since the PS3/360 generation
>>336197196
>>336197153
>Sacred black smith
i can finally delete that stupid picture off my desktop, thank you
>>336197146
Shark lets you detect enemies on you rminimap, as well as gives you a 100 HP boost.
I still roll wolf though; that close combat damage is too good to pass up.
>>336196937
>Also
>Western swords are molded
>>336196878
Why do I still come to this shitty site? It's next to impossible to have a decent thread any more without idiots like this pointlessly stirring up shit without even being provoked. If you're not intentionally being an ass and your mind really works like this, you need help, anon.
>>336197271
Chapter number?
>mfw going back through the game with the Raikiri
>>336193654
GET GUD!
>>336197045
>Kekkai refills you stamina at sonic levels while instantly dispelling and underworld aoes. It is OP as hell.
So... just like ki pulse, which you can do for free
>>336197319
question: are those listed effects/stat requirements for each passive skills? or are they only active when you trigger the living weapon to come out
>>336193654
>No real tutorial
It's a Souls clone, what did you expect?
Is this game separated in levels or is it more like DaS?
>>336197362
I don't remember.
It was a HEAVILY IMPLIED, borderline off-screen tho, so you dont see shit.
>>336196862
Hit it about the 1.5 mark two days ago.
>>336196864
That's one I don't know about. Fire applies a DOT. Electricity slows enemy movement. I think maybe Earth does extra yokai damage. No idea about wind.
>>336193654
I don't mind it not telling me things. I like having to work things out. I just dislike how clunky it feels.
Oh shit you only need to beat the ship boss to get the mark?
Just got mine, feels good.
>>336193654
>tfw Nue can't be beaten with my build
;_;
>>336197530
clunky is how the souls games feel, brotato chip
>>336197471
Demo is different levels, full game will probably be the same but who knows
Spears have B scaling in Body stat. So once you use spears, you just have to raise body to get health and damage all in one stat. Add to this that the mid/low stance spear is crazy good by itself and you've trivialized the game. Congratulations
Got my Mark of the Conquerer and I've been trying to help other people get theirs
But holy shit, at least meet me halfway here
Why are people summoning as many phantoms as they can? Why do they refuse to follow me but refuse to continue on into an ambush, then after 5 minutes just run into the ambush without me? Why do they refuse to open shortcuts that I'm showing them?
Out of around 5 hours of co-op a grand total of 6 players have reached onryoki and 2 of them defeated it. The vast majority died to a summoned phantom, a yokai+mob that they ran into, or they got one-shot by the slowed yokai that I had been whittling down while they pissed their pants.
Seriously, I'm slowing the yokai and turning on kekkai to dissolve the puddles as soon as they drop while kicking to drain guard break meter and doing good damage to boot, what the fuck else can I do?
>>336197507
Some people have speculated that Earth is a defense reduction. Wind is forever elusive though I think an anon or two said something about it having the passive benefit of increasing your melee range.
>>336197471
Separated into levels. It's not clear whether the full game will be linear or not
>>336197045
It is literally just an auto ki burst. That is its only real use. As someone who has specced in magic if I had to choose between the two I would 100% choose sloth over kekkai
>>336197669
What else do they scale with?
>>336197742
>>336197648
That's a shame. Do the levels allow for exploration or is it just beat the enemies to move forward?
>>336196862
when i liked and rated the Mark it said 3.4k and this was around friday
>>336197781
they have B scaling in body, D in skill and D in something else, I forgot. Maybe strength. Body is the main stat for damage though
>>336196978
Nigga, Nue is piss easy.
>B-but his lightning strikes
There are 4 strikes. The cue is when you see him trying to roar while his body is filled with lightning. Just run around without dashing and nothing will hit you.
>B-but his double swipe claw
Roll the side and hit him twice.
>B-but his rolling attack
Wait till his roll finish and attack from SIDE. You don't want to attack from behind since you will be strike by some late lightning strike.
>B-but his lightning beam
Roll to the right if you're feeling confident with your i-frame or you can just run to his left and attack his face in order to stagger him.
>>336197669
Spears are probably the best weapons, they have a great moveset and the fact that they scale with body is a great bonus
>>336197530
Souls games are much clunkier and shallower
>>336197737
Just do the second level. At least you'll get 20k amrita if the die halfway through.
>>336197852
Levels are closer to Demons where they're large and have weird paths that can loop.
>Summon help
>Summon this guy who could use lighting
>Kills everything for me while I follow
>I get At least 9000 Amrita
>I can't use the shrine to level up
>Get to this big Yokai
>Guy leaves
>Get killed
What weapon types do you guys want in the full game? I want dual daggers, and the japanese scythe
>>336197852
There's some decent exploration in them. Branching paths that loop and all eventually lead to the same endpoint
>>336197457
PLS RESPOND
TL;DR ARE SPIRIT SKILLS ACTIVE ON USE OR PASSIVE
>>336196862
I downloaded it too late. I always do this. I only found the game yesterday and now I'm working all week.
>>336197852
It's not really an exploring type game. There are some side paths and stuff.
Maybe look at FFXV or the new Zelda instead.
>>336198056
Passive
>Do Nue
>Die to surprise poison tail spray
>Do it again
>Accidentally pull a Yokai in with me
>Die to a gangbang
>Try the summon thing
>Nigga makes the boss lag so hard he teleports on to my dick and I explode
That's enough Nue for now.
>>336198056
If they're at the top of the guardian page they're passive. The living weapon thing at the bottom is the only active part.
>>336198056
They're passive.
Shark is top tier as fuck though. Get Nue into stun, switch to low stance, and you can build Isode up from literally nothing faster than even Hawkbro. Then you activate and just slaughter Nue.
It's so good.
>>336197098
>>336193654
Look, it's true that Nioh isn't really that difficult and it just takes getting used to.
It's also true that the Souls games also used an approach of "dump everything on the player and let them sort it out"
However Souls games are much less technically demanding, and its systems are more readily apparent from the UI and nomenclature.
There is also the rather unexpected diablo-style loot element, and the difference between even the most basic common armor drops and the starting armor is unnecessarily stark in such a way that it will misinform people as to the nature of the game.
I hated it at first, and now I like it, and I'm trying to help other people progress and enjoy the game as well, but having your game be obtuse, complex, and technical all at the same time is sure to end in low sales with a small die-hard community.
>>336198056
Probably passive as long as the spirit is on you and not guarding your shit
what did you expect from team ninja
>>336197069
>implying I'm reading that
Is anyone even going to buy this game? It looks horrible and plays OK.
Conqueror of level 1, conquered of level 2 desu
I can't reliably get Nue into stunlock mode. Sometimes when I hit him he will randomly lose his entire stamina bar but I can't entirely tell what is causing it. Otherwise I do like 80 damage per hit and near impossible to survive long enough to kill him.
>>336198278
>Is anyone even going to buy this game?
Yes
>>336198278
Day 1-ing this shit so long as I finish Bloodborne and DS3 before then
>>336198213
I'll be fine with a small die-hard community
Those are usually the best, unless they constantly try to shit on other games to justify their cult following
Which is actually a distinct possibility, considering how the threads can go here
What are you meant to do when you activate living weapon? Because I just mash square on midstance.
Reminder that DSP beat Nue in one try underleveled. if you can't beat Nue you should seriously consider killing yourself.
>>336198231
I expect the final product to have a maiden in black/fire keeper with big tits.
>>336197642
It's not the same though, at all. It's clunky in a bad way wherea I would describe Souls as 'weighty' more so.
I'm not a huge Souls fan though. I feel like it should have stopped at DaS at most - if only they could have finished it.
>>336198372
I sense a very strong Dark Souls vs Nioh fan war shit thing is going to be a big issue when this is released.
>>336198213
>sure to end in low sales with a small die-hard community.
This is Koei.
That's normal.
>>336197852
No so much really, the game so far is much more mission based in a large stage rather then an interconnect large world.
Word of warning though, dont use the branch if your wanting to just go back to a shrine, it literally ends your stage and takes you back to the mission selection screen so all of your shortcuts, found items and fog demons that you've done with be reset.
>>336198316
Are you kicking him? That gets his stamina down like cray
>>336198416
>Reminder that DSP beat Nue in one try underleveled.
How? How would he even know the lightning strike is coming without getting hit with it at least once? IMO DSP played the demo and struggled like mad, and finally beat it, then deleted all his progress and then played it for the stream.
>>336198386
Hit them hard and don't get hit or block.
If you hit enemies the bar will increase but will drastically decrease if you get hit or block.
>>336198565
Easy way to tell: how soon was he using ki pulse?
If he's using ki pulse at the first enemy then yeah he probably practiced beforehandalso he jacked off while streaming kekekekekekek
>>336197932
I like how two people have brought up souls as though I'm a fan. I'm really not. I just don't think this game feels good to play at all.
Honestly my biggest hang up is the horrible, verging in plagiarised character design.
>>336197748
I was fairly certain that it increased base ki regen as well.
>>336198468
Urgh, you're probably right. Why do some people feel a need to shit on one thing to justify their enjoyment of another? It's perfectly possible to like both, it's pretty obvious that the team working on this game like the Souls series.
>>336198593
Do you get dash i frames with living weapon or should I just stick with low stance?
>>336198565
The lightning is pretty telegraphed.
>>336198468
I fucking hope not
I'll never understand why fans of similar stuff can't get along. Just enjoy both you fags.
Can't you all get together and shit on FPS instead or something?
>>336198705
>samurai
>has samurai topknot
hmm
>>336198372
A small die-hard community is also a double-edged sword as it could be a huge hugbox to the point where it'll try to shut out anyone with even a smudge of negativity towards the game.
Well, this is /v/ so it's going to be shit either way. Just gotta enjoy the good threads and ignore the bad ones.
>>336195634
you need to be banned from /v/, stupid fuck.
>>336198760
Yeah, they openly said that DeS was used as one of the templates for this incarnation of the game, and Shibusawa gave an interview a while back saying that he was currently playing through Bloodborne and that he absolutely adored it.
>>336198760
It's mostly due to these threads really. People can't prevent themselves from shitting on souls games at every chance they get for some reason, even though both games are very similar
>>336198826
As a fan of both I greatly enjoy this because I've always wanted Weeaboo-type Souls.
NG4 when?
>>336198705
>verging in plagiarised
I hope you're not talking about the main character from a game released three years after William was first shown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr-_xdTiaGY
>>336198762
I heard the wind one gives you more i-frame.
Haven't try one myself since I'm wrecking shit with fire just fine.
>>336198826
Because the Souls fandom have literally become the Halo fandom of action games. Right down to the fact that they don't even realize that games before Dark Souls exist from the developer themselves.
Half the shit they're saying Ni-Oh copied was commonplace in PS2 era action games yet somehow Dark Souls invented every single concept.
Maybe go play some baby bullshit game
>>336198890
Not him, but no u.
take your eceleb dicksucking elsewhere, that shit ain't vidya.
>people are so butthurt that DSP is doing better than them that they're actually in denial about his performance
DSP is the gift that keeps on giving
>>336199052
It takes two to Tango and you're the other half
>>336198068
Same, hell I don't redeem a lot of the dlc codes that come with games because I forget about them.
>>336198804
It's telegraphed but you don't know what it is. You think maybe it will shoot out of his mouth or something and he will come back down from his roar and shoot it at you but no it just falls from the sky
>>336199052
This game is clearly inspired by dark souls
>>336198956
If that's the case it doesn't really change anything. I hate how Geralt looks and theyre clearly quite similar in appearance is really my point.
>>336199309
Demon's Souls, actually.
>>336199223
as long as you don't stand still it can't hit you.
>>336199169
Sure thing bud. Because the term "soulslike" isn't being thrown around everywhere.
>>336199309
A game that's been in development since 2004 is a rip off of a game from 2011?
>>336197362
Volume 5, Chapter 21.
>>336199052
Almost every mention of Dark Souls in this thread is just anons shitting on it without provocation without a single post saying Nioh stole everything from Souls. Even so, they've openly stated that DeS was an inspiration for this versions of the game.
An attitude like yours is the problem, anon. If you don't see the irony in your post, you need to get your eyes checked.
>>336199395
And you're supposed to know that without ever seeing the boss before? Most souls bosses don't have attacks that can hit you anywhere in the arena. I was just standing back behind a wall and suddenly lightning strikes me for 1500 or so damage
>>336199406
Well originally it was going to be a musou, and now its pretty clearly aping off Dark Souls mechanics and vibe, so yes.
>>336199406
Not him, but this incarnation of Nioh has been in development since 2012 and they've openly cited Demon's Souls as a heavy influence.
The original PS3 launch title version was a hybrid of SRPG and mosou that was canned due to Koei not being able to really get it to mesh very well. It was then handed off to Team Ninja a few years later, but was scrapped again, this time after being deemed too similar to Ninja Gaiden.
>>336199432
> this thread
What's your point? That this single thread invalidates every thread that's ever existed?
>>336199532
He probably was running around when it first happened.
Reminder to fill out the surveys asking for Momiji as playable character.
>>336198468
Only in /v/. /vg/ general will be fine. Bloodborne general is excellent most of the time.
>>336199406
>A game that's been in development since 2004
this is the funniest excuse. do you actually think they've been working on the exact same game for 12 years? the game was in development hell and games go through changes during development
>>336199656
That lucky cuck
>>336198468
Dark souls is dead anon. There are no more souls games coming from From software.
The dark souls fags will just gradually migrate to nioh and shitpost about it being too hard. Eventually though they will leave and there will be peace.
>>336199706
> game spent time as a ninja gaiden style action game after it was an SRPG/Musou
> still retains a lot of that influence from its ninja gaiden period
Cool.
>>336199671
Reminder that the game is about Willeeamu-desu, not your waifu
I hope all of you Conquerors took the Survey after beating the Demo and told them NOT to make an easy mode.
Just beat Nue few hours ago.
Good game overall. I lost count on how many times I died on the first level but only died once on the second one (which was from Nue). This game really is the epitome of "git gud". You can spam R1 and roll just fine in Soulsborne but not this fucking game.
Day 1 buy If they're going to keep the challenge like this.
>>336199671
Why would I want that when they could make a waifu out of the several female participants of the late Sengoku era?
okay I beat an oni looking thing and went through a door. Looking at a town kinda place. How much of the demo is left?
I tend to like parry systems in this kind of game but it hasn't been working out great for me, too much risk for too little reward. I've been axing everyone questions with the high stance x+triangle ever since I found a pretty good purple one.
>>336199867
that doesn't invalidate what I said in any way
>>336199867
And yet all the SRPG/Musou elements seem to have vanished. Its almost like you're just cherrypicking to support your position or something!!
This demo is harder than all of Bloodborne. Nue made me give up.
>>336199982
Go through the town and then the boss is on the boat. Then there's a 2nd level, but thats quite a bit shorter.
>>336199940
Ironically you can spam R1 in this game and roll since spamming R1 refills your stamina
>>336200003
No shit it vanished. Because the game was scrapped and given to Team Ninja to rebuild from the ground up.
>>336199406
>A game that's been in development since 2004 is a rip off of a game from 2011?
You're joking, right? You don't actually believe this version of the game is something they've been working on since 2004, do you? No one's calling it a rip off here but you in this post. Taking something as inspiration and ripping them off are two totally different things. They cited Demons' Souls as an inspiration themselves, trying to deny it now is just foolish
>>336199627
My point is that you're the cancer to these threads, anon.
Why can't we have more stress free soulslikes like Bloodborne desu? I enjoyed how easy it was. Now we're back to dying on a boss 30 times from the DaS1 days
>>336200019
>Nue made me gave up
wew lad. Nue, like every other tough enemy in the demo, can be rendered absolutely meaningless with the slow magic. Just slow him and then wail on him.
>>336200019
>Nue
DSP beat him in one try though
>>336200236
>Using the slow magic
I bet you rolled a Sorcerer in DeS.
>>336200236
I went full melee build.
>>336200268
I don't habeeb it
Why do archers have to be obnoxious in every fucking game
>>336199896
>I hope all of you Conquerors took the Survey after beating the Demo and told them NOT to make an easy mode.
Exactly this, I don't want to be gimped because a bunch of pussy soulskids couldn't handle Nioh.
Daily reminder Spears=Estoc R1 spamming.
Katana master race reporting in.
Is the slow magic broken? How can a boss possibly be hard after you get it? I thought the game was hard initially but it's far too easy to break it. Not sure I'm going to get the full version after all
>>336200284
You mean Royalty, you cocksucking faggot?
And big surprise, this game is just as unbalanced toward any playstyle that isn't full melee as Demon's was. Bows OHKO enemies without armor and magic makes every enemy trivial as fuck. Bravo Team Ninja!
The demo's kind of meh in my opinion, it's okay, but I feel they could have gone all out and made it more interesting, something like otogi would have been awesome here
>>336199896
Aside from the polish I told them to remove the gasping for air when out of stamina.
Feels like it's there solely to be 2hardcore
>>336200430
Royalty uses magic he's a Sorcerer. Don't you fucking class name patronize me you little nigger.
>BAAWWW WHY ISN'T THE FIRST HOUR OF A GAME TUTORIALS!
Fuck I hate you casual faggots
>>336200420
You could just do the sensible thing instead and tell them slow is overpowered as fuck in the feedback survey. Half the reason demos like this exist is so they can make the finished game as good as possible, don't squander the chance if you actually want to have you input heard.
>>336200460
>I told them to remove the gasping for air when out of stamina.
That happens when you panic push buttons when you're out of stamina. I believe it belongs in the game. In the options you can add the #'s of your Ki and Health on the bar, so you can find out exactly how much KI your combos take. You'll learn the combos and numbers and become one with your character and his abilities. Only then will you not panic push, because you'll know where you stand always.
EVERYONE WITH A PROBLEM WITH GASPING FOR AIR PLEASE READ!
>>336200403
List of things that trivialize the game :
-magic in general
-shurikens
-spears
-axes in high stance
-the spirit stat
-armor
-blocking
Fuck, they told me this game was hard. i fell for a meme
Why the fuck won't cloud crush trigger? The kicks work, but triangle with the axe does jack shit.
>>336200598
>Half the reason demos like this exist is so they can make the finished game as good as possible
No, demos exist like this for marketing purposes. This is one of the few times where it's also them farming out QA and focus group testing to the general public though.
Conqueror here (not bad at video games like op). What do you guys think the exclusive DLC will be?
>>336200632
Well too late, already did the survey.
I still feel it doesn't add anything to the game.
This game has a dangerous chance of just being DaS2 when it comes to difficulty and I rather avoid that.
>>336200669
You're missing firebombs. Having trouble with the Cyclops? Just kite it down the water and stand under the bridge, he'll hang back and stare at you and it only takes 2 to kill it!
>>336200715
Starting gear that you'll outpace within 5 hours.
>>336200715
Learn to read, retard.
>>336200598
My complaint will not be heard among the millions of people saying the game is too hard. it's kinda funny really
>Kill mobs with hammer
>His head got cut off
10/10 demo
>>336200682
I'm aware of what demos are usually for, which is why I specifically said "demos like this".
>>336200756
I know how to read. Did they say what it is?
>>336200632
>In the options you can add the #'s of your Ki and Health on the bar
I didn't know that. Thanks Anon
As much as I love the game and was sold on it by this demo the need to being up Souls and the conqueror meme shows how cancerous the fanbase is already
>>336200632
>You'll learn the combos and numbers and become one with your character and his abilities. Only then will you not panic push, because you'll know where you stand always.
True Conqueror speaking right here.
>>336200771
I have a good feeling they'll ignore the difficulty complaints. The people making prefer games that don't hold your hand. If you don't make an effort to have your complaint heard whilst you have the chance, then making the complaint at all is pointless.
>>336200854
I agree this fanbase already looks awful. Fun as hell demo though getting this day 1.
>>336200854
Conqueror meme is because v is so shamelessly bad at video games. It's so pathetic and offensive.
>>336193654
Stick to Nintendo games buddy.
>Beat first level
>Getting my ass handed to me on second level
>Probably won't have time to finish before Wednesday
Does the demo expire if it's already on your PS4? Am I forever as casul for not beating the second level? Am I at least a conqueror for beating the first level?
>>336200854
Oh yeah, the threads are going to be awful once this game is released. I don't think the people bringing up Souls out of nowhere realise just how pathetic they sound either.
>>336200917
Whoever is looking at the complaints brought in the survey will just laugh once they read mine. 10,000,000 complaints about the game being too hard and then they find me whining that magic is overpowered and makes the game too easy? They'll discard it
>>336199671
Just ask for her costume
and a realy REALY good character creator
>>336201043
Try summoning help. I summoned a guy today that shredded everything.
>>336201043
>Does the demo expire even if it's on your PS4
Yes
>Am I forever casul
No
>Am I at least a conquerer
Shut the fuck up and stop being so concerned about what other people think of you. The way this 'conquered' and 'conqueror' meme has taken off proves that the fanbase has already turned to utter shit before the game even released
>>336201129
Anon, people who like games to be a challenge are exactly the people they want to hear from. You're a fool if you don't realise that. Either way, you have nothing to lose but a few minutes of your time to do the survey.
>>336201063
The worst part is that it's basically how it's gonna be for every Souls clone from now on. We had the same thing with lords of the fallen but the game ended up being terrible so those guys fucked off. It's not going to stop though
>>336201043
The demo goes offline on May 5th, so you won't be able to get past the main menu.
>>336201043
>Does the demo expire if it's already on your PS4?
Yes, they'll just stop you from playing at the main menu or something.
Who else is doing a JoJo's run?
>All points go into the spirit
SUTANDO POWAH
I got past Onryoki and got Mark of the conquer or and went to bed last night, do you get DLC for killing the boss on the 2nd mission as well or is it just mark of the conqueor
>>336201342
You better not have a weapon, faggot.
>>336201380
You don't get DLC for the 2nd boss, just the first.
Whats with the randomly spawning cyclops?
>>336200680
are you in high stance?
>>336201502
The little cyclops turn into the big ones and regain full health in the process.
>>336201380
You are still a conquered familia.
Go beat the second boss and join the true conqueror master race.
>>336201621
Man shut the fuck up.
I am worried about levels being all samey and boring looking like in Tenchu.
>>336201536
No, I'm in low stance. Its a low stance skill.
>>336201621
>pushing the conquered meme
Fucking stop, you're already spreading cancer. The game's not even out, and it probably won't be out for a while, but the players are already fucking obnoxious.
>>336201402
I don't, but plenty of stand users did so its kinda legit.
I want to beat everyone with clap counter, Arkham style ("press triangle to win"). Is it possible?.
>>336201785
This
>>336198278
Preordering.
>>336201557
Aw shit, good thing I went crazy on him and didn't give him a chance to do that.
>tfw im shit at DS type games
>mfw I really want nioh but after being shit on at the 2nd stage im scared
I always end up fucking up while leveling and shit gets even harder
I didnt ask to play on easy mode every game I play
what did I do to deserve this
>>336201821
Oni and cyclopses can't be parried; all other enemies are fair game.
>>336201724
Do it against an enemy that's panting. It's a grab.
A part of what makes a game enjoyable to me is taliking about funny stories, stratagies, and other experiences with people. But if this is what the community is going to be like then fuck this.
>>336201719
There's plenty of things they could do to vary up the environments. Mountain regions, indoors areas, they could even get really crazy with some demon plane shit since they're going full supernatural.
>>336193654
>Nioh is good
>ever falling for the aforementioned meme
Come on anon, getting you mad enough to make a thread is exactly what they want.
>>336201913
>Oni and cyclopses can't be parried
And here I thought I was just shit.
>>336200669
>-armor
>-blocking
No.
>>336202075
>indoor areas
Yeah, the camera will surely be cooperative in close combat situations.
>>336202062
>A part of what makes a game enjoyable to me is taliking about funny stories, stratagies, and other experiences with people
Literally nothing is stopping you from doing this with Nioh, besides you being a faggot.
>>336201785
This.
>>336202231
Just make it a castle setting so that there can be lots of wide, open rooms
>>336202075
As long as they dont pull an Onimusha 3 and Ninja Gaiden. Really dont like how those games jumped into modern times. Specially Ninja Gaiden.
>>336202075
obligatory hot spring level with 'the thing that goes doink'
>>336202172
yea
>>336193654
another soulsbabby BTFO
>>336202274
Pretty sure people like you are exactly what that anon is complaining about
>>336202274
Everyone acting like an elitest faggot does.
>>336202075
>>336202371
>Caves
>Shinto Hell
>Shinto Paradise
>Underwater
>Beaches
There's lots of possibilities.
Still waitin' on the gong and the YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>336202527
>Underwater level
Please no.
>>336201925
Thats fucking retarded. Why add another grab when you have one by default?
>>336202371
I feel certain that they'll find a way to get at least one big tittied girl in there somewhere and a shrine or onsen would be the perfect place.
>>336202437
What? Telling him the truth? Saying mean ol' words that hurt his fee-fee's?
>>336202485
How does that affect telling stories and shit?
>>336202075
>>336202527
There's also what looks to be some kind of abandoned, dilapidated castle and a battlefield on a hill (The red moon area).
>>336202601
>I'm literally retarded
What, do you think we'd have to swim? Just let us walk the seafloor and give us air breathing magic.
>Sea monster boss
>Drowned Sailor enemies
>>336194623
>>336194623
This makes more sense.
It's more of a cuhraaazy game instead of a slow dungeon crawler like they made it out to be in the e3 demo's and shit.
Looks way more fun. I'll probably give it another shot later.
demon's souls threads were nothing like this. no one was even pushing the git gud meme before dark souls got ported to PC. These threads are basically aping the worst parts of the souls fanbase while simultaneously claiming to be better
This place has turned to shit
Basically a repeat of early Dark Souls threads by this point.
>Artificial Difficulty
>It's pretty easy if you just-
>ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY
>>336193654
>No real tutorial
What happened to learning a game as you play? For Nioh all you really need to know is the controls.
Does counter/parrying have a cool down or something? I tried practicing it and It only works 30% of the time of humans and never on demons/Zombies
>>336202856
No you're just missing.
And you can't parry Yokai.
>>336202856
No, you're just mistiming it 70% of the time. It's not really worth the risk anyway
>>336202804
Well Nioh's version of "what the fuck, what do you mean rolls have i-frames" is "what the fuck, what do you mean you can just block-cancel out of getting hit"
Man, this game is pretty freaky at points. The grim atmosphere of darkness and people dying everywhere but coming back as demons. Kind of feels like the horror elements of Blood Siren and gets me on edge.
Wish I weren't so skittish.
>>336202856
Unsure about whether parries work on the zombies, but they deffo don't on Onis and they consume 20 stamina to perform against humans (In addition to the follow up attack, which consumes about 15)
What if it's just not fun or interesting compared to Dark Souls, and I have no compelling motivation to git gud.
>>336202989
Its not even worth it is it? You may as well block or dodge until they're out of stamina and them follow up
>>336203098
They're actually very useful if you've got a few guys on your case and you're absolutely sure you can get the timing right.
>>336197046
>>336197359
Not him but in some of the first threads there were a lot of people comparing it to souls and complaining about the stamina system and anything else you could think of. I googled it and som reddit thread came up and they were whining about the difficulty too
>>336203224
It is similar to souls though
>>336203090
Then that's like, your opinion man, but you probably should define "fun or interesting".
So long as the game mechanics that have been presented in this demo remain the same more or less, then this will be a day one purchase for me.
I do have one question if anyone in the thread can answer it. I never did really find a use for the low stance. I tried it on a bunch of enemies, but never really was able to do much with it. Is it a more defensive mode or am I just missing something?
Anyone else here enjoy finding the little Kodamas to see them goofing off on the shrines?
Pic unrelated.
>>336202638
It just seems like most conversations will result in some unwanted elitist bullshit like asking for legit tips on something will be answered with the classic "git gud" like in Souls threads or just some faggot bragging about how easy a boss was without answering the question asked.
>>336202804
Even if that were true, you shouldn't have to dig through menus to find out what the buttons do. Having a proper tutorial doesn't somehow make your hardcore game any less hardcore.
>people actually defending this game
OP's post is fucking dumb, but there definitely are TONS of problems already. And believe me, I am trying to like this game the best I can.
>thousands of equipment cluttering your inventory and extremely low durability that pushes you to constantly swap armor, stopping the flow of the game stopping you from using what you like
>stamina system with "active reloading" or whatever you want to call it seems almost necessary for you to actually want to be able to do anything in a fight without losing all of your stamina in 3 damn attacks. Which in turn, makes you stare at your stamina bar 24/7 instead of focusing on the fight itself.
>demo gives you literally two shortcuts and 3 items that heal you, which don't even heal HALF of your HP, while enemies can take you out in 3 hits or less, depending on the weapon.
>almost impossible to fight any encounter that is more than one person at a time due to attacks costing so much stamina
These are just things that I've noticed that I don't like, if I'm wrong about something or there's a solution to any of these I'd love to hear. Like I said, I wanna like this game but it's really hard to when it seems like it's trying to be "le dark souls hard" instead of a fair challenge.
>>336203308
Only to a degree, like the skeleton of the game, the flesh and meat is different which is why people trying to play it like souls keep banging their heads against brick walls.
>learn ki pulse
>learn how to stance dance
>learn how to cancel strings into others
>combo enders/ special inputs/ parries/ magic buffs/ ninjutsu
>learn how to quick switch weapons without breaking combo strings
>learn how to quick switch weapons and weapon stances simultaneously
Holy fuck, this game's combat has surprising amount of depth. It is extremely engaging and satisfying. If I'm honest with myself, I haven't seen gameplay this good in a game other than stylish action games like DMC. I'm probably just barely scratching the surface here too as the game's still in alpha. This game's combat completely shits all over Soulsborne.
>>336203361
Its for quick strikes. I personally use it for attacking the crawling demons, since they can be hard to hit with mid stance which was my go-to for 95% of the game. In addition, you can ki pulse in low stance just by dodging, which makes it easy to kill them super fast even with light damage attacks.
I wish the defensive options in this game were better/more interesting. Beating Nue was just running around in circles half of the time instead of being able to use the other game mechanics.
>>336203454
conquered detected
>>336203224
Complaining about people complaining and taking every opportunity to jump on them for no reason is far more cancerous than those complaints in the first place.
>>336202976
Its pretty bleak. Like surprisingly so. The fact that you can hear their lost thoughts makes everything even bleaker.
>>336202976
>Creepy demons and foreboding atmosphere
>meanwhile adorable frogs and summons
This game is fucking weird.
>>336202856
No the timing window is just very specific. Also does anyone else appreciate the game having near accurate hit boxes for the models, barring the bullshit i-frames the tiny cyclops has.
>>336203375
You don't have to dig through a menu, there are button prompts at various points throughout the first level
>>336203454
>almost impossible to fight any encounter that is more than one person at a time due to attacks costing so much stamina
Low stance+Dodging nigga
>>336203454
>>thousands of equipment cluttering your inventory and extremely low durability that pushes you to constantly swap armor, stopping the flow of the game stopping you from using what you like
whetstones exist and are plentiful, as is glue for armor.
>>stamina system with "active reloading" or whatever you want to call it seems almost necessary for you to actually want to be able to do anything in a fight without losing all of your stamina in 3 damn attacks. Which in turn, makes you stare at your stamina bar 24/7 instead of focusing on the fight itself.
you can focus on the ki around your character instead of the bar if you want, it tells you the same information.
>>demo gives you literally two shortcuts and 3 items that heal you, which don't even heal HALF of your HP, while enemies can take you out in 3 hits or less, depending on the weapon.
good bait, i'll give you this one
>>almost impossible to fight any encounter that is more than one person at a time due to attacks costing so much stamina
anything more than 3 and you're fucked more or less, sure. unless you're using a spear and just sweeping for days.
>>336203524
Thanks for the help, Anon. I really enjoyed your epic meme that I've already seen 20 times in this thread. Thank you!
>>336203361
For me, I switch to low stance after strings to ki pulse dodge especially when I know the enemy's move is telegraphed. I don't think you are really supposed to stay in a single stance the entire time, rather you are supposed to flow one stance into the next as the situation calls for.
>>336199896
I put down that I thought the game should be harder since right now it's extremely easy to exploit non-boss AI (even then bosses are a little easy). I also mentioned that right now gear breaks too quickly and it's tedious having to change it so often.
DUDE UNBLOCKABLE WRECKING BALL SPIN LMAO
Cool game.
>>336203454
Yeah okay.
>Equipment bloat
Offer at shrine, tap touchscreen to offer all.
>stamina system
As long as you're not using high stance, that shit barely drains. Ki exists for you to guard break enemies most of the time.
>demo shortcuts/health
Yeah it gives you a shortcut once you get through a "level" instead of another shrine once you reach a boss, I consider that good design.
3 elixirs can be breached to 10 once you offer equipment/pick up more.
>crowd control/using what you like
Yeah drawing aggro is a must and the Darksiders 2 loot system can suck my dick.
>>336203454
>stamina system with "active reloading" or whatever you want to call it seems almost necessary for you to actually want to be able to do anything in a fight without losing all of your stamina in 3 damn attacks. Which in turn, makes you stare at your stamina bar 24/7 instead of focusing on the fight itself.
Consider paying attention to the blue aura that appears when you finish a combo. You could use that to time ki pulse
on the other topics, Spears are great for crowd control and low stance on every weapon allows for you to attack and dodge without having to worry too much with stamina. If there is more than 3 people on you, consider changing approaches
>>336203503
The combat is pretty complex but the problem is the balance. This game is pretty extreme in how it goes from really hard to piss easy as you learn more game mechanics. I hope the final game will have either nerfed some stuff like magic or at least have much stronger bosses/enemies
>>336203506
Quick strikes? I just used the over head/high stance for the crawlers. Now that ki pulse by dodging I didn't know about. I'm going to have to try it out.
If I delete the demo and save file, will I lose the conqueror mark? I put most of my skill points into katana high and mid stance and would like to try using spears or the axes.
Also did anyone else put more than three points into stamina? I found being able to equip better armor to be more useful than stamina due to the ki pulse mechanic.
>>336200669
>muh favorite weapon doesn't trivialize the game
Katana is the most broken of the three.
>>336203329
The story is interesting, or I like the sense of scale and adventure going on.
Something made me want to play Demon's Souls.
Something made me want to git gud and keep playing and beat it.
I feel none of that with this.
>>336203762
Just dodge. Once you learn his attack pattern he's really easy to dodge and punish.
>>336203361
Lowstance is pretty evasive more than normal defense. That'd be mid. Think of low stance as dealing nothing but really nasty paper cuts with high mobility. It also has the added benefit of being able to cause debuffs super quick because of how it functions.
>>336203774
>tap touchscreen to offer all.
Cocksucker, really?
Not him.
>>336203762
either get the hell out of dodge or just press block on the first swing and you will be able to block it.
>>336202976
>walk up to house with the oni in it
>search woman laying on the floor
>"You told me you'd never lay a hand on me or the other girls"
>OK weird as fuck
>beat oni
>"Kill them all"
What the fuck happened in that house
I played the demo like it was a action game and had alot of trouble but made it through.
Replaying it with knowledge of how skills/talismans work with a more Genji/Onimusha approach and a axe build and i've beaten the first stage so far dying only once and not even to the first boss.
I feel like my approach was shit this game is alot more about being careful and slow then fast and crazeh. Which isn't a bad thing i just feel ashamed. Maybe it was because in my head i kept telling myself I HAVE TO BEAT IT BEFORE IT ENDS! So i ended up rushing the best i could. Still there is no reason i should've taken like 10 tries on the first boss.
Surprisingly Nue took about the same amount of tries and i had less trouble with it when i got shit down. I dunno why everyone is having so much trouble with it. Just kite it around the trees it can't destroy when you need a breather.
>>336203889
Yeah. For most effect switch to "all equipment" then tap it. Saves quite a bit of time.
>>336200771
The game is too hard desu, but mostly Nue
>>336203889
yes
you can also check through rarity.
>>336203375
>press button to see what it does
Wow that was hard
>>336203883
Debuffs?
>>336203361
Axes are pretty cool for low stance, turns the attacks into like pole pokes and scythe hooks.
Has it's use for all types though, quicker attacks and just in general different swings to switch things up if heavy and normals aren't hitting.
>>336203367
>seems
There's your problem, you're just barely even looking at the threads or only looking at them at a surface level. There's plenty of people giving advice to people who aren't going "ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY" or "THIS GAME FUCKING SUCKS BECAUSE IM LOSING AT IT".
There's always going to be people bragging about how easy a boss was in any game with an ounce of difficulty, or just any game where discussion of bosses is brought up.
>>336203838
Well I haven't tried katana yet, so I couldn't include it. This game is broken to the core then
>>336203762
I also had a shit ton of issues with stage 1 of the first boss. But besides the grab in stage 2 hes literally a pushover. Just bait his leap and smash his face once hes at that point.
>>336203936
The slavers betrayed the girls and probably the lord in the house and their anguish caused the yokai to appear at their grave because they were furious. Well either the slavers or the lord did.
>>336203936
The way i understood it is that the lord housed concumbines on his house and when the bandits came he sold them out trying to survive but ended either transforming on a oni or killed by some bandit that transformed into one.
>>336203831
>If I delete the demo and save file, will I lose the conqueror mark?
No, its DLC, not game data. As long as you've already got it "purchsed" it'll be there forever.
>>336203531
It wasn't initially complaining about complainers, it was mocking them.
>>336193915
Could someone actually do this please? Im doing ok but that first ogre guarding the residence key keeps pushing my shit in. I wanna learn what important skills im not grasping rather than desperately cheesing my way through whichever bosses I meet. Im guessing, dont just heavy stance hammers through everything?
>>336204047
If your weapon has an element you can fill up an icon on an enemy to cause a debuff associated with that element by whacking them enough times. The most commonly seen one is fire because of bombs/fire shurikens which gives a DoT.
>>336203375
Not only is there a screen literally telling you what every button does, you pick up incredibly hard to miss "souls/memories" that tell you.
>>336203831
DLC is tied to your account; go into your library and you'll see "1 Add On" under the Nioh Demo's entry.
>Retards that don't understand stances
>High Stance
STRENGTH IS EVERYTHING
>Mid Stance
I'VE NO STRONG OPINIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
>Low Stance
I'M SURE TO WIN WITH MY SUPERIOR SPEED
>>336203454
>Multiple enemies
Axe mid stance well spec'd into all the damage boost scrolls. The swings will catch anything around you capable of being stunned and kill most things in 3 hits.
>>336204141
I'd consider Axe/Hammer the worst weapons of the demo due to not being able to dodge-cancel out of blows.
>>336204178
>>336204026
Telling me what the buttons do is not the same thing as having a good tutorial.
I understand what they're going for with the crawlers but i hate it.
I dislike having to switch to high stance everytime because their hitboes are fucking wonky.
I truly hate those crawlers. Fighting them near fire is hell
>>336204240
Lets hear your definition of a good tutorial then, anon
>>336203681
>whetstones exist and are plentiful, as is glue for armor.
No one wants to go farm glue or whet due to running Nue 20 times and dying each time with armor getting broken after every 2 fights
>>336204116
>>336204191
It's there. Thank you m80s.
Have a random pic
>>336204150
What does the wind one do?
>>336204052
It's just that right now the AI is easy to exploit as long as you pull 3 or less. If that gets fixed and they lower your arrow count to 10 I think the game will improve massively.
>>336204328
That is the mystery. No one has any idea.
Never ever
>>336204205
How to beat the bosses
>Wait for punishable attack
>Axe high stance heavy attack
>KI pulse and dodge away
>Repeat
Such idiotic damage jesus. Id like to see the hammer improved though. It hardly does anything over the axe's and its far far more punishable. Id punish the first bosses spin only to get punished in my own recovery afterwards.
Should do some fanart for this game before the hype dies.
>>336203454
>>people actually defending this game
>but it's really hard to when it seems like it's trying to be "le dark souls hard" instead of a fair challenge.
People post shit like this and then wonder why the response is memes and being told they're a fagggot.
>>336204240
And I'm saying you don't need a tutorial.
>>336204451
William dressed up like Ken-sama in the house where you meet the first yokai.
>>336204141
Go outside the house so you have more room to manuever. Wait for him to do his big wind up slam attack with the axe and hit him a few times. Move away, rinse and repeat. The Axe Oni are probably the easiest of the Oni to fight since they have such slow attacks.
>>336204435
More like how to beat anything in any action game ever.
>>336204141
Incredibly easy if you take your time. His attacks are blockable but you'll wanna keep you distance. He telegraphs his grapple long enough to walk away from him. The worst thing he can do is grapple you or use like a six hit chain that can fuck up your stamina.
I literally just beat him with high stance axe.
>>336204320
>Being a Nue-male
Worse then being conquered. The boss isn't even that hard. You can run away and bait the lightning and get a clean punish after dodging it every time with little risk in either stage. Let alone with spirit damage/when you knock it out of stamina.
Nue is literally only intimidating because the first few times it will probably instantly kill you if you aren't wary.
>>336204048
Well this thread anyway seems to have gotten better, just hope when the game is fully released real conversations will still be taking place and not just shitty meme spouting like most souls threads are.
>>336204295
Tell me what the button does, show me a situation where that applies, let me mess around with it for a bit to get a fundamental grasp of how it works, teach me why I'd care to use that technique over something else or where it can be used. Then the game becomes less about trying to figure out obscure mechanics and instead mastery of those mechanics over the course of the game.
>>336204472
If you want your game to be considered good, you absolutely do.
>>336204526
I requested William as Ken-Sama in a drawthread a few days ago, but no one's given it a stab, sadly ;_;
Bow&Arrow is SUPER good so use and abuse it.
Headshot with it will oneshot most of the human enemies or do like 80% of the damage.
>>336193654
Dont you have any shame nor self respect. How can you post this ? Casul of the year. Probably bait.
>>336204564
I can't damage him because I'm too busy running and being scared
>>336203664
>>336203681
>>336203774
>>336203808
>>336204216
Thanks for the tips, guys. I have a few ideas of what I'm doing wrong and I think I know what to do. Gonna hop on the demo again and mess around.
>>336204462
Dang dude, guess I'll never speak my opinion again! Sorry I triggered you.
>>336204578
I'm sorry that you consider a game bad if you're too braindead to figure out what buttons do yourself. How you can possibly believe a game needs to hold your hand this hard to be good is beyond me.
>>336204205
Slightly chuckled
>>336204662
>slow magic
>shark ult
congrats, you just beat him.
>>336204578
But what if there are people that don't want to have all that info dumped on them at once? You know, like the people replying to you. Why should the devs cater to you when all of that information is available in the game if you take 5 seconds to look in a menu?
>>336203762
If it's unblockable then... why don't you try dodging it?
>>336204539
Not really my point. It trivializes the bosses is what i'm saying. Doing the same thing in Ninja Gaiden/DMC etc kinds of games isn't optimal most of the time and you're still required to react and punish/dodge to a far tighter more varied window.
I basically just ran away from Nue around the trees baiting the lightning for punishes and then bopped it with my spirit. The oni even felt alittle harder but its second stage was pretty simple for that strategy too run and bait the dive to spin into.
It takes hardly any react and its damage output seems far beyond anything else besides going spirit mode. Its not the same thing as punishing otherwise.
Just tips for anyone who wants to beat Nue easily basically.
Vagrant Story was very similar in the way it just info dumped you and you had to read it and understand it. But it was fun once you did.
Anyone else here use doggo guardian spirit? I don't even know what the differences are
>>336194286
Holy shit nigga really?
I too fucked up the whole equipment deal at first, so instead of getting my ass conquered i clapped a nigga's sword slash and stabbed him with his own katana
Fucking Leddit
anyone else notice your a jap geralt named william?
>>336204758
to be fair the information only appear once you colect their respective dead speak
>>336204848
You can literally read what every spirit does.
I user Shark for the radar
>>336204848
Electric Shibe is the cutest.
>>336204701
You actively went out of your way to imply that there's something wrong with the people who like the game. You're lucky you got as many helpful responses as you did, you didn't deserve them with that shitty attitude
>>336195640
Yeah, I find it right therejust before I accidentally sold it
>>336204734
slow/stamina magic is literal bullshit like flat out bullshit. The stamina boost is pretty much instant and will refill your stamina bar from the end in a second flat even without KI pulse. Use that and the shark and you can pretty much speed run Nue in 20 seconds or less.
They need to tone that shit down seriously. It lasts as long as other enchants around a minute or so and trivializes the shit out of stamina management in boss fights.
>>336204718
I'm not asking for it to hold my hand, I'm asking for it to teach me its mechanics.
>>336204758
Then give them an option to skip the in-game tutorial and just refer to the one in the menu like it is right now.
A tutorial should exist in the game outside of its menus. That should be reference material, not the entirety of how it teaches you things.
>>336204578
Name a good action game with a tutorial
>>336205021
You are asking it to hold your hand. You're asking it to tell you what you need to do, how you need to do it, when you need to do it, and why you need to do it then. That's about as hand holding as you can get without having a skip button.
>>336205021
>I'm not asking for it to hold my hand, I'm asking for it to teach me its mechanics.
Same thing, familia
>>336205051
DMC3's shop brawl at the start was a tutorial.
>>336196660
We're the best.
>>336204919
Nothing implies the MC is canonically Japanese in fact i'm pretty sure hes British. The beginning of the game is a very horror generic setup also where its clear you're just some foreigner who washed up into something he hardly understands.
>>336204578
You can experiment with all this at the start on the first enemy. That's the entire point of the shrine there with the one dude on the beach and a mob of two by the house overlooking it and the dude off to the side of the beach looting a corpse.
It's all set up in a way to battle each easily seperately and learn the game, you get souls to level up with like crazy at the start just from fighting those guys to further grasp the game.
The entirely early part of this demo is essentially a tutorial.
The skills even have an option to play a movie to show what they do and how they'll apply and the skills explain the stance required and such.
You're full of shit and too used to handholdy games.
>start up a game
>put stats into body
>can't get spears to drop, but get a fuckton of axes
>start a new game
>put stats into strength
>can't get axes to drop but get fuckton of spears
God damn...
I want a Chaika guardian spirit
>>336204943
The first part was dickish, I'll admit and that was my bad. Nothin' wrong with the second part if you ask me. That's what it honestly felt like.
>>336204802
SHUT UP I BEAT VAGRANT STORY DOING 1 DAMAGE 100 HIT COMBOS FAIR AND SQUARE I DIDN'T NEED NO TUTORIAL SHITSometimes I feel like playing it again and trying to do it right...
Can I play this game on Thursday too or does it end Wednesday night?
>>336204919
William Adams. Not a jap. English navigator, sole survivor of the Dutch East India Trading Company wreck, first western samurai.
>>336205051
NG1/Black first level has tutorial hints and the first boss is probably one of the best in video game history when it comes to teaching the player. Flat out demands that you bait and dodge properly.
The only way i cheesed him as a small child was by jumping off the wall when he got near.
>>336196862
I think I downloaded it on the second day it was available.
>>336204802
I still never fucking figured out how to damage the final boss, even after fucking around and getting the best gear in the game and every wine.
Ended up just cheesing up with a 35 hit combo lmao
>>336205021
If you actually don't try pressing buttons until the game tells you to, you can still make it to those prompts without trouble, unless you're braindead. Seems like a pretty good tutorial to me, having everything dumped at once would just be intrusive and too much.
How to make /v/ go nuts:
Release a Soulslike
>>336205279
>NG1/Black first level has tutorial hints
So does Nioh?
>>336205279
>Flat out demands that you bait and dodge properly
Did it tell you to do that or did you learn to do it through trial and error? If it's the latter then that's the same type of tutorial Nioh used. Learning through playing the game. Action games don't need a tutorial 99% of the time.
>>336205153
Though he's loosely based on William Adams, who Kurosawa was a great admirer of, Nioh William is a mixed-race Eurasian.
He's son of a samurai and a "Western woman", so presumably English or Portuguese.
>>336204701
There's a difference between opinion and spouting "le" shit and acting a general faggot.
>>336196862
There was like 9 likes when I nabbed it lmao, but then I was one of the first Australians to nab the demo when it dropped like a day before it did anywhere else.
>>336205361
He had some weird type that was pretty rare among the enemies in the game. I ended up not having a weapon trained for it so I had to reflect damage back at him because I was just doing 1 with anything I had
>>336205095
I'm asking it to tell me why a mechanic is useful and when I should think about using that mechanic. That's entirely different from asking it to perform it for me in place of my own skill. You're completely over-exaggerating what I'm asking of the game.
>>336205128
Nice meme.
>>336205164
Thats not the same thing as what I'm looking for though. You only get the tutorial when you pick up certain items. Until then, you're stuck with looking at the controller map and trying to learn why a ki pulse is useful or even necessary, or why stance changing matters. You're right, in that it serves as a tutorial, but only because of the near complete lack of a true tutorial. Even the original Dark Souls, hell even Demon's Souls, wasn't this bad about it.
To say the early part is a tutorial is a cop-out defending what I feel is a bad gameplay decision.
The movie for the skills is fine, but unless you're digging through every menu straight away, you're not gonna see those for a while either.
>>336205412
>Did it tell you.
In pretty much everyway besides flat out saying it or writing it in text yes.
Also i'm not that dude who first said that shit i'm just speaking on behave of NG and how i felt about the first stage.
>>336205404
I'm not someone who said otherwise. I fail to see how the game doesn't teach or show people everything. Its like retards are too fucking dumb to explore their menus for two seconds or look at the control schemes. What more can the game do for people?
>>336205390
I actually found the game better played like DeS/DaS/DaS2 then BB or DaS3. I had alot of trouble with the demo beating it as a aggressive player. No inching forward and being super lame i'm at the first shortcut of stage two and i've died 3 times maybe.
>>336205376
All they have to do is put in a "skip tutorial" option. There's no reason they can't do both.
>>336200632
so...
just don't burn your stam unlike the souls games, where it isn't a detriment, like in this game?
>>336205527
How did you even manage to play games before 2007?
Is Thunderdog weak to any element? Not sure if I should bring another talisman or guardian
>>336205420
>He's son of a samurai and a "Western woman"
No he isn't. He was English and joined the royal navy and was going around being a captain when he needed to stop at Japan to rest up. Some fag told a soon to be shogun that they needed to be executed but he told that guy to fuck off because he liked William. Then he helped them build a bunch of ships and shit and when the dude became shogun he made William his advisor and an honorary samurai.
>>336205214
We do need a guardian for ranged attack bonuses
>>336205659
The same way everyone else did. But things change, games and game design gets better. Not having a proper tutorial is a pretty terrible game design decision to make, for me at least.
>>336205739
The tutorial is fine, you shitter.
>>336205424
It was ironic, that's why is was in quotes you baka.
>>336205667
I would assume Water or Earth. Isonade fucks him up real good.
>>336205612
You're not reading what I'm saying, anon. I'm saying that a tutorial that tells you every mechanic in one go is bad. I much prefer a tutorial just like this, that drip feeds you them so you can get used to them all individually.
>>336205527
>I'm asking it to tell me why a mechanic is useful and when I should think about using that mechanic. That's entirely different from asking it to perform it for me in place of my own skill. You're completely over-exaggerating what I'm asking of the game.
>Tell me what the button does (what/how)
>show me a situation where that applies (when)
>teach me why I'd care to use that technique over something else or where it can be used (why)
Hand holding.
>>336205667
Earth or wind are the speculations. Either way hitting him is his biggest weakness, next to bows.
>>336205685
I'm talking about William in Nioh, not irl William Adams.
>>336205527
These items are huge glowing items that are always near where whatever the fuck they want to teach
Take the group with two people you met.
Before you even fight them theres this huge glowing orb.
You loot the body, you get rocks, the soul talks something like "OH I SHOULD ONLY BRING ONE", it appears below how to use rocks and then it says that on the menu you can check out more about how you shouldn't be outnumbered
What more do you even want? A video playing of William throwing a rock on one of the dudes?
>>336205739
>games and game design gets better
Obviously it doesn't if it treats the player like a colossal retard to the point that over-time and dumbing not just games but the players,they NEED a "proper tutorial".
>>336205819
My bad.
>>336205527
> even the original Dark Souls, hell even Demon's Souls, wasn't this bad about it
Yes it was. You were put in a zone with literally everything written as messages on the ground. There was no way to review anything told without going back to the message, and they never tell you what the glowing red things are on the ground until you're already well into the first actual zone.
Meanwhile Ni-Oh has glowing items that give you voice overs on top of the text that is then put into your menu encyclopedia marked with a big yellow exclamation point.
>no helpful NPCs as of yet
Wow this is going to kill the atmosphere
>>336205791
>Lightning
>Weak to water
>Where is the tutorial
Are you niggers dumb? You can look through everything in your menu and the basics are explained really early on. The game is actually hard. But you're so insecure you need to blame it on the fact the game didn't "teach" you something to make it more bearable. When the truth is you just have terrible decision making skills and probably feel yourself because pretend to be hard Souls was hyped up by normies so much you think that series is hard try to play this like that and get stomped.
>>336206002
I'm sure there'll be a big-breasted miko or something similar somewhere, it's a Team Ninja game, after all
>>336206002
Well they're giving me money so there's gotta be AT LEAST one.
>>336205791
Isonade fucks him up because it has an attribute that fills its bar when you hit an enemy without ki.
>>336206013
Duh it electrocutes itself.
>>336205784
It was still under the implication that you thought it was true even if you was using it ironically. Acting like a redditor ironically is fucking faggoty regardless.
Did you know that you can knock out half of Nue's stamina bar by getting one of its lightning bolts to hit itself?
>>336206091
>Miko
No anon, it'll be a yokai because only devils have seductive figures. Yokai or foreigners.
>>336206002
Don't worry, you'll get your damn waifus if these japs are anything like how every other japs are
>>336206002
What about the little green things?
>>336205793
I didn't ask for it to teach me "every" mechanic. I'm asking for basics like Ki Pulse and why it matters. Preferably immediately, since its of dire importance to the structure and depth of the game in general.
>>336205868
I never had a problem finding the items, that wasn't my point. My point was they're placed farther in the level than they should be, or that they're not all unlocked straight away anyways. There's no reason to not have a proper tutorial in a game.
>>336206001
There aren't any truly gameplay relevant mechanics as demanding of the player in Demon's/Dark as there are in Nioh though, which I guess is essentially the crux of my problem with the lack of tutorial. The game is a demanding action game and has no real tutorial for no reason other than lack of trying or general design philosophy, of which I don't agree with.
I think you jump the gap of "Oh man this boss is completely destroying me" to "Man this fucker is eezypeezy" too fast.
I mean you either destroy the fucker or is destroyed by them. With those two bosses there was no real "oh we're having a close fight" here.
>>336206337
>The game is a demanding action game
Not really. The problem is people are playing it like one. Its best paces feels very slow unless you pull to many enemies. Both bosses feel like they're designed to be beaten like the game is pseudo turn based and you're just baiting out your turn.
Other then when you active a stamina talisman or spirit power atleast.
>>336206254
They're more like collectibles than NPCs
>>336206376
Its weird also. There are alot of people who beat the boss first attempt and then alot who got wrecked a shit ton of times. Mainly because the first attempt you have the most supplies and probably your spirit active. Where as if you lose you probably used it and ran back for another attempt and it becomes a cycle.
>>336205739
>The same way everyone else did
>game design gets better
>not having a proper tutorial is a pretty terrible game design decision to make, for me at least
>game design gets better
>>336206463
Oh come on. Pseudo turn based? Really? Baiting out attacks and then punishing is more or less the core design structure of every boss fight in every action game ever.
>>336206337
>I didn't ask for it to teach me "every" mechanic.
>I'm not asking for it to hold my hand, I'm asking for it to teach me its mechanics.
You're a retard just accept it.
>>336206564
I literally never used my spirit because I forgot about it.
Thunder Dog best tho
>>336196318
so how is this game? should i try it?
is it DaS in Japan?
>>336206337
Well anon, I disagree. With basically everything you said. And apparently I'm far from the only one, so all I can say is that I'm glad the devs aren't listening to you. It's clear you're not going to change your opinions any time soon, nor listen to the reasoning of any of the other anons, so I give up.
>>336205812
>>336206337
Why aren't you replying, Anon? I thought you said I was exaggerating and that you weren't asking for your hand to be held.
>>336206792
It's more like DaS and NG combined.
>>336206792
>game
Demo. 4 hours or so.
>should I try it?
Sure.
>Is it DaS in Japan?
Somewhat.
>>336206149
I wasn't even ACTING like a redditor ironically, dude. It was in quotes, implying that it wasn't said by me. By using "le dark souls hard" I meant to imply that it was being hard for the sake of being hard. and saying it in a colloquial way. A joke with meaning. It's not your fault you didn't get it since not everybody reads everything the same exact way. Doesn't invalidate what I said or provokes anything, you're just arguing and insulting me for the sake of doing so.
>>336206678
Agreed
Lightning doggo keeps me ballin
>>336206635
The game is alot slower then a actual full on action game though and moves have more recovery. Its not like a action game atleast in my mind at all since with action games i think of DMC/NG/Bayonetta etc.
Also another core difference is against the bosses unlike action games where you can go in on them with enough finesse/skill going in on a boss before it does anything feels like a good way to get punished when trying to dash away afterwards.
It feels turn based because when you sit their baiting you really aren't reacting to the same level as action game its not hard to react to what you see to punish it. Where as with Alma for example in NGB waiting to flying swallow her to knock her down is a situation i have to earn consistently. Running away from Nue until it shoots lightning and then running away from the lightning up to Nue for a Axe punish is guaranteed and safe with little stress/effort.
I'm sure there are ways to be extremely aggressive especially with light armor , katana and ki pulsing all day and speccing into that. But i feel like the safest most effective way to beat the alpha so far is basically the closest real time action can get to being turn based.
Please don't compare baiting and punishing without the reactions/spacing to what you have to do to stuff like DMD Vergil and such.
>>336206091
more like titanic breasted miko
she needs to dispense that healing miko milk, asap
>>336206815
Mostly because there's nothing to reply to. Asking a game to tell me how it plays and the mechanics at work during gameplay doesn't constitute handholding, no matter how hard you wanna reach and say it does. As I said earlier, I'm not asking for it to do the maneuvers for me, I'm not asking for it to give me larger timing windows or more i-frames on rolls or anything like that. I'm asking for it to be clear about its mechanics from the beginning so I spend less time playing wondering why some mechanics exist.
>>336206987
Of course the safest way to play feels slower and more "pseduo-turn based" than the other ways, thats kind of the whole point of the playstyle.
>>336206935
Yeah no I understood fine, you were acting like a faggot right from the word go.
>hurrr people actually defending this game
and you somehow think acting like that and then doubling down with your epic ironic reddit phrase meming implying the game is just hard for the sake of it isn't going to make you look like a complete utter faggot that deserves no more than a git gud?
You were lucky people were being generous to get anything other than that.
>>336206896
I'm good at Dark Souls (beat them going in blind while barely dying) and absolutely shit at NG (I had to beat Black or Sigma (can't remember which) on Dog mode with my shitty purple scarf.
Downloading now. I wonder how much I'll suck.
>>336207180
>Asking a game to tell me how it plays and the mechanics at work during gameplay doesn't constitute handholding
Sure, explaining a mechanic isn't hand holding. however, telling you when you should be doing it and why you should be doing it then is hand holding.
>>336207180
I'm saying i've never played a full on action game that felt like it has a style that slow that is that effective. And i've almost always preferred a defensive mobile style in every single action game with blocking atleast.
New thread >>336207503
>>336197069
yo, fellow conqueror here
I'm not comfortable accepting that responsibility
fuck off an let me play my vidya
>>336207320
Dude. Are you actually well?
>epic ironic reddit phrase meming
What the actual fuck are you talking about? People do it all the fucking time. It's nothing special, it's nothing reddit. It's literally just me being ironic. Did you help make this game? Did I personally offend you? Sorry I triggered you so god damn hard Anon, holy shit.
And nice job parroting that other Anon, by the way. I already admitted that the first thing I said was stupid. Just because you like Nioh doesn't mean you have to squint your eyes, you can actually use them.
>>336207054
Just make her a tree lady or something then. Sacred tree and big breasted dryad would surely be a win win.
>>336207978
>People do it all the fucking time
and it is faggoty every single time.
Don't act a faggot don't be told you're a faggot.
Simple.
>>336208120
Dang Anon, you sure as fuck got me. Thanks for proving my point that you're just a triggered facerolling manchild.
What an end.
>>336208278
If that makes your fee-fee's better, sure.
Just don't act a faggot then proceed to go "please don't call me a faggot or tell me to git gud" in future.
>>336208446
I ACTUALLY never asked you not to say anything of those things, you self-righteous cunt. I don't give a honest fuck about what you or anyone else calls me, I was just defending myself since your specific reasoning for doing so was objectively wrong. But as long as you get to vent all your prepubescent troubles away at me while your file for divorce in the background, it doesn't really matter to me.
My favorite part is how you're trying to call me out for provoking ill responses when the first thing you jump to in your mind is to call someone a faggot and leave it at that. That's really how you get your point across, Anon. That's how you SHOW EM. Good luck with that in the future, baby. Thanks for the le ebin chat my friend. *tips* :^)))
>>336208985
>this entire post
Thanks for proving my point that you're just a triggered facerolling manchild.
my SAI skills folded over 1000 times
