>Abyss watchers: Successfully sealed away abyss unlike Artorius.
>Aldrich: Devoured Gwyndline and possibly Nito as well.
>Yorm: Giant Lord with power of cinder.
>Gay bros: Slayer of demon prince.
>Soul of Cinder: Incarnation of CU and Gwyn.
>Nameless King: Power on par with Gwyn’s prime age.
Is it safe to say that DaS 3 bosses are superior then other series and Unkindled One is strongest protagonist lore wise?
>>335671398
No.
>Abyss watchers: prevent the Abyss from spreading BEFORE it can actually gather enough strength.
>Aldrich: feeds on leftovers CU left after him
>Lothric: did fucking nothing. Lorian: killed a single demon, who are a weak and dying species without the chaos flame
>Soul of Cinder: mishmash of soul fragments, probably not even sentient
>Nameless King: NEET, race traitor, dragonfucker, got kicked out of home by his dad instead of confronting him
Also going by the unwritten rule of fantasy fiction - the more ancient powers are the strongest. And DS1 had the original Lords.
Yhorm was a pretty cool guy. Not terribly powerful though.
>Abyss watchers: Successfully sealed away abyss unlike Artorius.
No, they didn't, when you find them half of them have been possessed and corrupted by the abyss and there are dark wraiths just outside where they are killing shit. Also, his name is Artorias.
>Aldrich: Devoured Gwyndline and possibly Nito as well.
Just Gwyndolin (not Gwyndline) of note, Nito died long before.
>Yorm
Jesus Christ can you get one name right?
Gwyn and his crews literally genocided the dragons
>>335671398
Yhorm is old and has gone either crazy or some giant form of hollowing, Siegward being his best friend travels to the profaned capital for the sole purpose of putting him out of his misery.
Abyss Watchers are also a bit consumed by the abyss in that they accuse each other of being tainted or for neglecting their duties as evidenced by Iudex's black growth and the other hollows that are afflicted with the abyss.
Aldrich is literally just a blobby mass, it's likely that Sulyvahn captured the gods and just fed them too him and he can use some of their powers which we know from DaS 1 that neither Nito nor Gwyndolin were particularly strong.
Lothrics are literally both crippled. Lorian gimped himself on purpose just to be closer to his onii.
Soul of Cinder is an anomaly, I guess it's the fire's last ditch efforts to make sure you don't put it out. but to be fair. neither Chosen Undead or Gwyn were very strong either.
Nameless King is crazy old but his is probably the strongest of them all, though not that much since you do end up killing him.
Ashen one may technically be stronger than Chosen Undead, but that's not really saying all that much.
>>335672112
>Lorian gimped himself on purpose just to be closer to his onii.
>onii
Lorian is the elder brother.
>>335672112
>neither Chosen Undead or Gwyn were very strong
Chosen Undead was a literal godslayer.
Gwyn led an army of dragonslayers.
weak b8
The flames are weak as fuck so pretty much every single soul out there is greatly weakened too. If you noticed, the nameless king is a fucking skull, he barely has any flesh on him. In short, no, you never fight a single major boss in dark souls who is at their prime. They're always weakened by something. Be it age, damage or some other factor, like the necromancers stealing nitos powers.
>>335672381
What he should have been trying to say is you're not strong after you link the first flame. You literally become a shell of your former self.
>>335672614
Aldrich and Pontiff are at their peak though
>>335672686
Aldrich was brought back from the dead, he's hardly at his peak, he hadn't even finished consuming gwyndolin. Also pontiff isn't what I would call a major boss but I'll give you that.
I never played DaS2 or the DLC for DaS1.
Did Aldrich devour Priscilla too? Why else does he have Lifehunt?
>>335672807
He saw it in a dream while eating Gwyndolin.
Probably a memory of his.
>>335671959
Nito died before DKS1. Nito is literally called the The first to die.
Its not a stretch to say Nito can bring himself back, since he did manage the flow of life and death
>>335672807
He didn't, just knows about her. If you gathered anything about what miracles are in the Souls universe, you'd be able to realize why he has the miracle.
So, the Nameless King left AFTER Gwyn linked the flame right? So it was his sister and xister/xrother who casted him out of the godhood. Maybe he didn't like how things went south in Anor Longo after his father went to coffin and fell in love with a dragon or something.
>>335672686
I felt that shit with Sully.
Holy shit he buried my ass and made me wear my own ass as a hat.
No shame. Summoned three guys on him. ;-;
>>335671398
>Is it safe to say that DaS 3 bosses are superior then other series and Unkindled One is strongest protagonist lore wise
No, that would be BB.
>not being an all-powerful squidlet
>>335673114
I summoned two npcs first try since I had to rush his fight to make sure that thief npc didn't pillage and die. I heard there was a time limit
Kinda want to try him solo now. Only one left
>>335671946
>yhorm wasn't terribly powerful
he left people his old swords so that they could kill him, he was damn near invincible if they didn't exist
>>335673309
Imagine if he was still using his greatshield too. He would be literally unbeatable.
>>335671959
Some serious autuism, miss spelling made up names of the top of someone's memory is not reason for your autism to flare up senpai
>>335673309
Wat
>>335673387
>of the top
off
>>335673412
read the item descriptions. he left 2 storm rulers to kill him in case he went mad
>>335673356
NOT IF PAPA STORMRULER HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT SHIT
>>335673219
The Londor Pale Shade NPC can almost solo him. It can outright solo Abyss Watchers if you get the weaker adds off it.
I'm expecting a nerf some time in the future, that NPC is broken as fuck.
>>335673540
I don't think you know how shields work.
>>335671398
ehh.
I don't know much lore on Abbyss Watchers, but they're literally all hollow and almost all dead by the time you get there. At their prime, they were probably a force to be reckoned with.
Aldrich was strong, but he didn't really defeat any of the people he ate. Gwyndolin wasn't even at full power when Pontiff captured him. Nito was already dead, since you canonically kill him in DS1, so he either ate his corpse or his soul.
Yhorm was corrupted by the Abbyss when you get to him, it might have made him stronger though. He was pretty fucking strong I'll give you that, without Storm Ruler that is. Like how poweful do you have to be to make a failsafe in case you go bad?
Lothric and Lorian, were literally just walking corpses when you get to them. Lothric was a weak cripple from birth, who is literally so weak he can't even pick up a straight sword, and Lorian was massively gimped when you fought him. He was blind, mute, crippled, lost his shield, his sword was broken, and he was obviously hollowing, or had lost his mind at least. At his prime he apparently killed demon kings in one swing, so he was pretty stronk then.
SoC is strong, since it's the souls of everyone who has linked the flame in one, but they're not at full power, since they have been burning for a long time. Still, to say it isn't a powerful being is wrong.
Nameless King is obviously hollowed. He has no eyes and is beef jerky. He is not on par with prime Gwyn. He might have been in HIS prime though. Still I'd say he's more powerful than most bosses in the series.
>>335673540
yhorm literally dual wielded them in the past.
it was up to him if they existed or not
>>335673640
I meant to put walking in quotations:^)
>>335673094
Wouldn't make sense since he befriended the dragons. Was probably during the war. He was a God of War afterall, stripped of name and records from history, so whatever important happened, was probably during this events against the archdragons.
>>335672903
Nito soul was necessary for the Fire Linking in 1. He's canonically killed by the CU.
>>335673640
Nameless clearly isn't fully hollowed, otherwise he'd be attacking the dragons and shit, being mindless you know.
The PC can become beef jerky and still they aren't a mindless hollow yet.
>>335671398
>all these fags in the thread summoning for sully.
Just use a Caestus in off hand and parry him. It gets a bit difficult once he summons his stand to continue to parry him, but I still did it, it's not that hard.my first playthrough I summoned to fight him, dragonslayer armor and dancer. So far I haven't summoned for anything.
The Abyss Watchers were the most powerful gank force known to mankind.
Additionally, if we go deep into this, CU is canonically the strongest by virtue of taking down Manus in his prime.
Then again, anything in DaS 1 gameplay wise is piss easy compared to 3.
>>335673486
Why are you getting so annoyed senpai, is you're autism that bad?
>>335671946
>Nameless King: NEET, race traitor, dragonfucker, got kicked out of home by his dad instead of confronting him
God damn it I fucking lost it.
>>335673967
>You're
Not him, but acting like a retard just makes me think you're an actual retard.
>>335673814
Yuria/Yoel's questline showed that you can be hollow and not completely insane.
Can somebody here post the charm from the english guide? Its says something about the sunlight warrior being the lost son of Gwyn and he got forgotten.
>>335673640
Hollowing has nothing to do with your power. He obviously keeps his own sentience and full control over power.
>>335673814
Full hollows don't always attack friends. Like those in the asylum and New Londo are just there chilling, and the ones in the undead cities never attack each other. It makes sense that he wouldn't attack his dragon, even though he's hollow. Even if he isn't full hollowed, he is still clearly not at full power, otherwise he'd look like opening cutscene Gwyn from DS1, or Gwyndolin, not like a zombie.
>>335673814
There are hollows who keep some autonomous brain function, see the guys praying or guarding something they did in life. Nameless is probably on the same category, just keeping close to his pal like he was during his time. And some inner hate for bells.
>>335674074
In dark souls 2, the more hollowed you got, the less health you have, apart from going crazy. Even in DS1, it clearly has something to do with you power, lore wise at least. You can't seriously believe that hollow Gwyn at the end of DS1 was him at full power.
>>335674085
But you can clearly see him hesitate beforekilling his bird. Insane hollows don't do that.
Aldrich use Nito's Great Sword.
Where did he obtain it?
Why the fuck is every enemy in this game so tall? Are they not humans or something?
>undead halberd and greatax guys are like 3 meters tall
>all the valley bosses are gigantic (dancer, Vordt, Pontiff)
>Jailers are all basketball players
>random normal hollows are bigger than humans, like the workers in the Undead Settlement
>candle stick clerics, knights, grave wardens, all big as fuck
seriously what's the deal? Is undead of ash and all NPCs just manlets? Does being a manlet prevent going crazy from hollowing?
>>335674152
Gwyn had been burning in the Kiln for a long time, it was the flame that had taken his strength, not the hollowing.
>>335674170
Their love transcend hollowing.
Ok so I'm probably a retard, but there's something I still don't get.
So there have been several cycles, and the flame has been linked many times; lots of them, actually, if we accept that all the bodies in the tower behind the Uchigatana guy are deade Firekeepers that went there to die after their duty was fulfilled.
In that case, there have been dozens of "Lords of Cinder" that have linked the flame. What is special about the ones in DS3? They're just the last 4 to have done this? What is special about the cycle in Dark Souls 3, with all the Unkindled shit and so o? Is it suppossed to be some kind of final cycle?
I think I get moste of the individual lores, but I really don't get the whole picture.
So if you had to take on Gwyn at his prime power, would you have to go full on Platinum Games speed?
>>335674085
>implying I don't hate bells, too
They woke me up from my nice death nap, only to make me get murdered over and over again by various forces, and am expected to perpetually burn.Good thing I said fuck that, got a husbando and three waifus, and am now a Lord.
>>335674213
New to the series huh.
>>335674210
nito gave a sword like that to everybody who stopped by his crib as long as they bring along an eyeball
>>335674213
From a game play point of view, it's to make them easier see their movements and to intimidate the player. From a lore point, powerful beings that have absorbed lots of souls grow physically larger.
>>335674221
Ok, I guess that makes sense. Still, if you take DS2 as canon, hollowing clearly makes you weaker. Even in DS1, the more human you were, the more defense you had. You had a huge boost in defense at 99 humanity.
>>335674260
Did you not see him shoot 1000 lightning spears at the same time in the cutscene? Nigga, you would have to be DMC levels of fast to measure up to him.
>>335674152
>In dark souls 2
won't even bother with the rest of your post
>>335674029
>>335674081
>>335674085
Yeah yeah y'all are right I guess.
>>335674213
once you go bloodborne you never go back
Question: in dark souls 2, what was the treasure vendrick stole from the giants?
>>335673117
Which is more powerful? A Great Lord, or a Great One?
>>335674242
Dunno about the other 3 but Lothric was supposed to link the flame as per destiny but he and best big brother ran off and tried to live peacefully, probably one of the reasons why the flame is in danger at the start of the game
>>335674337
>powerful beings
>some dumbfucks in undead settlement that can barely swing a pitchfork around without tripping and fall over dead from a light slap
>not the guy that can survive a dragon stomping on them
>>335674309
What a guy.
Gravelord Covenant DLC when.
Who am I kidding. From cant do their covenants right for shit.
>>335674346
>if you take DS2 as canon
Nope.
You can also be hollowed and have 99 humanity.
>>335674436
Unknown. Most speculations seem to agree it was the Throne.
>>335674213
Irythil is is Yharnam. Sulyvahn's watchful eyes drive the knights mad and they turn into beasts.
>>335674443
This is something else that I don't understand. Is he a Lord of Cinder? Or just a should-be-Lord-of-Cinder? Because clearly if he has a throne, so he must have linked it as he was suppossed to, eventhough later on they might regret doing so and now try to stop you.
>>335674440
Great Ones literally transcend comprehension, Lords of Cinder are just powerful former-mortals.
Pretty obvious, here.
>>335673953
>Abyss Watchers pre abyss infestation were baddasses gank squad that kept the abyss at bay
>Hawkwoods dialogue confirms they were just regular undead who wanted to be special
>Drank wolf blood and popped green blossoms like crazy to even do what they did
>Were so proud of themselves when they became a lord of cinder
>>335674507
Throne of want? Now why the fuck would the giants have that?
>>335674440
Great One. They are living gods, whose mere presence will either destroy your mind or kill you. There's a reason Ebrietas is considered one of the most difficult bosses in the series. And she was a lesser Great One in the grand scheme.
List of parryable bosses from DS1, 2 and 3, anyone?
I'm not afraid to go all in.
>Reddit thought Solaire was Gwyn's firstborn
>Reddit thought the Smouldering Lake worm was sunlight maggot solaire
>Reddit thought Aldrich ate Priscilla, Nito and the Witch of Izalith
reddit can't stop being btfo
>>335674242
What's special about them? I imagine they're actually everyone who linked the flame. Takes a long time for her to fade, but i can see it dying faster and faster after each linking. Just consider that everyone who isn't those 5, is rebirthed inside Soul of Cinder.
The thing about Unkindled in 3, is that the Flame is at it's last legs like never before. It's the final trumph card to not let it goes out. So ashes of fallen heroes are being made sentient to collect embers to try and throw in the First Flame. They are not humans, they are tools, vessels for souls and embers, the weakest form something can be, a fail safe mechanism.
>>335674586
DS3
Gundyr in both forms
Pontiff
Haven't tested other bosses yet.
>>335674573
To make golems.
Well, if it wasn't the throne, that it was something with that power. Because it's said that Vendrick used whatever he stole from them to create golems.
>>335674657
nobody gives a shit what reddit thinks you fucking dickwad
>>335672807
Read the fucking item description.
Miracles are stories that you recite. He dreamed about Priscilla while he was devouring gwyndolin, and so he created the story of the life hunt scythe, which is the miracle he uses.
>>335674440
Depends on the one in question.
Nito created the very concept of death and keeps watch over it, whereas Moon Presence can undo death indefinitely. Mergo was going to end humanity.
>>335674657
>Reddit thought Solaire was Gwyn's firstborn
This is true mate even the offical guide says that.
Which Abyss watcher exactly is the "lord?" Isn't it strange a group is considered a singular entity? So these guys went to the kiln, all 50 of them, and kindled the flame?
>>335674680
>
Nameless king can only be riposted, not parried though.
Also Dragonslayer Armor and Lothric can be parried. Abyss Watchers are also ez to parry. Dancer should be also possible but i have to test that.
>>335674573
The Throne of Want is a magical throne that makes anybody who sits on it see whatever they want. I think it's also made out of a shard of Manus like Nashandra is, or something.
Giant's Kinship item description talks about the throne letting you see what you want.
The Giants hand it first (probably made it) and then the king of drangleic stole it like a faggot and brought it over. That's why the giants invaded.
>>335674784
yes. but the powers of the Cinder are only acquired by the one that survives their onslaught and consumes the souls of all his brothers.
>>335674784
The Lord of Cinder is, technically, the Wolf of Farron. The Abyss Watchers are a kind of hivemind, connected by the Blood of The Wolf. The Blood itself is the Lord of Cinder.
>>335674708
the golems in the castle are shit. They're glorified switches.
Now the Ivory King, he know how to make some badass golems
Instant death confirmed.
>>335673619
Idk why but this... this was really funny, thank you.
>>335674784
They are a Legion. The blood condense into a single entity in the second form. That's the Lord of Cinder. It's none of them individually.
>>335674784
You know that autist on the playground always looking for technicalities? Abyss Watchers
>>335674582
Probably Lords. They are the "Gods" of Dark Souls, since they basically made everything. When we fight them in DS1, they're all basically at their weakest. Great Ones in BB were pretty easy to fight, but what I got from them is that they exist in another reality, so they can just keep coming back or something. So I guess they can eventually beat the Lords in a fight, since they basically have unlimited tries, and Lords lose their power over time.
>>335675029
Meant to quote
>>335674440
>>335674784
I imagine they all went to the kiln, and had a big fight against themselves and whatever the soul of cinder looked like then
last man standing linked the fire, and it was probably three dudes or something because their cinders give you 3 heads.
maybe he was a pussy and summoned
What happened to chaos in DS3?
Shittest mobs confirmed
>>335675029
The Lords are just aspects of god. "GOD" is the First Flame, the creator of the world as we know it. The Lords are just people who found the flame and used it.
>>335674440
Lords are still just mortals. Powerful, with control over elements or illusion magic, but still just mortals.
With Great One, even death becomes questionable concept as even a dead god can have dreams. They transcend understanding, they control time and space, they open portals into planes with endless meteor storms. You can't even fight MP without becoming a Great One as well.
Okay so who/what exactly is Sullyvahn?
Where did he suddenly come from? How did he become powerful enough to trap/kill gods?
Who would win in a fight between him at his prime, prime Gwyn, and prime Nameless King?
Another thing, why the fuck do they all look so similar to humans?
>>335675120
Yhorm destroyed it. Demons are a dying species now and there's only one of them who saw the original Izalith and he's old as fuck.
>>335674657
>Reddit thought Aldrich ate Priscilla, Nito and the Witch of Izalith
Aldrich did ate Gwyndofag and Priscilla, Nito is implyed but im pretty sure Aldrich is just another form of Nitos soul, the Witch of Izalith was already dead, nothing to do with anything
>>335675117
They were three guys that knew each other and summoned each other for every fight in the game
>>335675243
AND WE KILLED HIM
>>335675267
>Aldritch did ate Priscilla
Reddit leave.
>>335675197
He's just a really powerful undead. Most of that comes from political power, but he was both a skilled sorcerer and able to swing around greatswords.
Wouldn't say he's Gwyn level though.
>>335675120
Chaos Flame is dead.
>>335674213
Because most beings aren't actually human, humans are like the smallest common race in the Souls universe, the Dark Lord who was the first human was described as a pygmy. Basically from a lore standpoint everyone isn't big, humans are just small.
>>335675267
Aldrich dreamt of Priscilla, he didn't actually eat her.
>>335674661
Ok, what you say actually starts to make sense.
Another question along the lines of what you say: what's the thing with embers? So in DS1 we feed humanity to the bonfires because of the Curse and so on. Why isn't there humanity now? Why feed it embers? Embers is just "pieces" of the flame, and we can't feed it humanity because...all humanity was already consumed? Or embers are stronger?
In any case I see now what you say, that the Unkindled are not humans, they are literally ashes made sentient, so you don't go into Human form, but Torch mode...probablyl this was trivial, but that's my relationship with Souls lore.
Then, something else: what's the thing with thrones? It just means that the 4 Lords from DS3 want to stop you from linking the flame again for whatever eason?
>>335675197
Sully is originally a simple sorcerer on a power trip who went full Ron Hubbard and became good enough to challenge even the gods. Apparently he's at least stronger than Gwyndolin and all the remaining Anor Londo forces but obviously if NK cared at least a little about his ex-family his entire shitty cult would be in ruins a long time ago.
>>335675197
He's just an undead. And i remember reading in some item description that Gwyndolin was sick or something. And the church had an army to back them as well.
>>335675197
Prime Yhorm with all his shit would literally take on gwyn and a couple others and still have a decent chance of winning.
>>335675267
Aldrich didn't eat Priscilla, he just dreamt of her and that's what inspired him to develop the Lifehunt Scythe Miracle.
>>335675345
>we stopped Aldritch from defiling pure girl with his giant black cock
>>335675243
Where does it say Yhorm destroyed it? I am curious.also does the mean if Alsana is canon, she no longer has to watch it? poor waifu
>>335675381
It's Yorshka who thinks that Gwyndolin was sick. It's probably what Sully told her while Aldritch was impaling poor fuckboy nearby.
>>335674657
>and the Witch of Izalith
Wut?
Why the fuck do they assume that?
>>335675197
Sully was a scholar in the grand archieves, although he may have originally come from Irithyll.
One day he found the Profane Capital, and it in the unfading Profaned Flame. He took it and some of the women there (those chicks in white with knives) back with him to Irithyll.
He either established, or took control of a religious order in Irithyll and corrupted it for his own ends. He captured an sick Gwyndolin, and fed him to Aldrich (it's never clear why he did it). The Arch Deacons and the Cathedral of the Deep seem to server him, although Aldrich is the true/original master of the Cathedral of the Deep and the order. I don't remember if being made clear why he does all this, other than ambition. Maybe he believes in the Age of Water/Age of the Deep the same way Aldrich does.
Gwyn and his son are both capable of kicking his ass seven ways from sunday. Gwyn at his mightiest is literally the most powerful being in the Dark Souls universe, as he had the Greatest of the Lord Souls
>>335675494
>A strange weapon found among malformed inhabitants of the Profaned Capital.
>The Profaned Flame was triggered by the curse of these women, relatives of a certain oracle, but despite their culpability, they went on living without any cares.
Drops from the Manus-hand faced monsters.
>>335675548
They assume that because there's fire is the second phase that it instantly means it's chaos
>>335671398
I think Chosen Undead > Ashen One > Cursed Undead
DaS1 just felt a lot more... alone. Chosen Undead went around killing the OG Lords, legendary Knights, Manus, Kalameet etc. without much direction.
Ashen One is there to sort of 'clean up' and restart the linking stuff. That said, I think Nameless King and Soul of Cinder are probably as strong as anything in DaS1.
My theory on the Abyss Watchers is that in their eternal hunt for rooting out the abyss, they, just like their predecessor, were tainted by it. I'm assuming it tainted them all via the blood of the wolf that they all share. This could possibly explain why the old wolf of Farron is deathly, and why the Abyss Watchers are now endlessly killing eachother to root out the Abyss in themselves. Can't wait to hear what Vaati says about them.
>>335675548
What if Rosaria is the Witch reborn?
>>335675614
im pretty sure they also spouted Big Hat Logan soul was those 2 bighats instead of even reading the item descriptions
They dumb dumbs
>>335674543
Lothric never linked the flame which is why the bell tolls at the beginning. I guess technically he isn't a Lord of Cinder, he just has a Lord's power and destiny.
Gwyndolin wasn't even that strong, he could make powerful illusions and had some handy projectile magic, but he had to hide behind his illusions and keep running away, I don't think it's any stretch to say that even in his prime a small band of warriors could have captured and killed Gwyndolin.
So does Aldritch's lore mean that canonically the CU didn't fight Gwyndolin in DaS1?
>>335673309
I didnt even use this shit to beat him.
>>335675720
But when you kill him it clearly says "Lord of Cinder fallen". Not that this means you're wrong, I actually like what you suggest, but still.
>>335675816
He did and he didn't, just like he linked the first flame and chose not to link the first flame.
>>335675681
Get out, Vaati.
>>335675816
almost certainly. It makes sense to, since the CU seems to have linked the fire, given the characteristics of the Soul of Cinder. So if he linked the fire, chances are he never questioned Frampt's guidance and discovered Kaathe or Gwyndolin
>>335675692
Rosaria is a weakened and enslaved Gwynevere, via Sully.
Wasn't Lorian supposedly super powerful before being cursed? He could have probably taken on the Nameless King.
>>335675692
Some people say Rosaria is Gwynevere... I mean...the boobs match up...
>>335675816
Canon doesn't really exist in Souls because of wavering timelines, I think Miyazaki even said that if the player didn't link the flame in the first game in another timeline Solaire was the one who linked it.
>>335674657
Gwyn's firstborn was originally Andre. I actually thought his presence with the exact same model and voice in 3 was a confirmation of this, as it implies him to be immortal, especially since he remarks that he personally knew the giant smith in Anor Londo, which was the seat of the gods. Makes me wonder if Nameless King was a late addition and the intention was to just confirm Andre the whole time.
>>335675928
>>335675942
Explain kirk his armor is even in the room just like in DaS1.
>>335675363
Humanity is there in the form of the Pus of Man, those bursting beasts that grow out of some hollows and Gundyr. Fire is fading and Humanity is going havoc. You don't use it (at first) because you're the revived ash, you simply don't have it. But Yoel can fix it. Printing the Dark Soul into you with the Dark Sigil.
Now regarding embers i think it's more of an allegory of ash/embers/bonfires. We are on a quest to keep a bonfire lit. But ash can't catch fire, only form embers. In reality, we are collecting their Lords Souls (just like 1) to feed to Flame.
>>335675681
>vaati
You will hear what is posted in these threads,speculations that sound nice but you can't disprove because the source is vague.
>>335675997
possibly. Worth noting that Andre in DS3 may be an illusion created by Ludleth, since you can't find him in the darkened Firelink.
>>335675883
I've been found out.
>>335675120
The Chaos Flame is dead. Its implied either the Watchers or Lothric(the kingdom) invaded smoldering lakes, killed the last of demons, and imprisoned their king. Pretty sure Lorian's Greatsword said that he stained a demon prince.
>>335675928
>>335676007
>>335675942
Rosaria is one of Gwynevere's children.
>>335674436
Some say the throne, others the lordvessel
>>335676117
>Pretty sure Lorian's Greatsword said that he stained a demon prince.
Yeah, Lorian shanked him good. Lorian was a beast before becoming a crip. The last thing I'd want to fight is that "pssh nothing personal" teleporting jackass with the full use of his limbs
>>335675858
It just doesn't add up if we assume Lothric linked the flame. Emma tells you to make him into a Lord and many things referencing Lothric and Lothric's dialogue suggest he was destined to become a Lord but is trying his hardest to avoid his destiny.
The Lothric kingdom is still around, and at least king Oceiros is still alive, which all implies that Lothric hasn't been around for that long. If he had linked the flame, much time would have passed before the fire needed another Lord to surface and link it, and considerably more time would have to pass before the situation became so dire that the bell needed to toll to resurrect previous Lords of Cinder.
Granted, lifespans in Souls are nebulous and potentially very long lasting, but it all seems to imply that Lothric is supposed to be the current Lord of Cinder who will link the flame, but instead he said no and fucked off, and now the flame is wavering without anybody to fuel it, hence the need for the previous Lords of Cinder.
Except all of them but Ludleth also fucked off and shirked their duty, which leads to the resurrection of Unkindled whose only purpose is to seek out the Lords of Cinder and return them to their thrones.
>>335675997
>Gwyn's firstborn was originally Andre
not at all it is Solarie and Solarie is bascially Ostrava they share the same fate. Even their story line is very similar.
>>335675197
Gwyn is human, at the start of Dark Souls 1 you want humans rise from the depths and 4 of them find parts of the flame and gain power
>>335676248
demon's souls has cooler weapons
>>335672780
>he hadn't even finished consuming gwyndolin
Yeah but how do we know that? Don't descriptions pertaining to Aldrich use "devoured" as in past tense? Aldrich is a sick motherfucker, he could just be using Gwyndolin's empty husk as a "body" to make up for the fact that he's just a slimey slug now.
>>335676285
Gwyn is not human, he is part of a sub-race of giants who gained godhood. The first human was Manus before he got all fucked up.
>>335676192
>Gwynevere's children
Source? Makes more sense that she is Quelaag's Sister reborn.
>>335676248
>Gwyn's firstborn was originally Andre
he's right. In the original storyboard, Andre was Gwyn's son. He had a larger role in the story, and would help you gain access to Gwyn's tomb. Like a lot of stuff it was cut. It's in the DS1 artbook and other interviews
>>335673563
Yea those npcs wrecked his shit
Made him look like a bumbling fool
But I felt cheap and dirty
Worst part is that shitty thief died anyways since I already visited profaned capital
>>335676285
Well he's technically not human. He's one of those primordial beings that looked like hollows in the opening cutscene of DS1. Humans come from the Pygmy.
>>335675363
Forgot to adress your last part. Regarding the thrones, Lords and their motivations.
The thrones are referrencing the Lord's Souls which is what DaS1 calls the Souls that Gwyn, Nito, Witch of Izalith, etc. found within the Flame. They were their first Lords, and what is a Lord without a throne?
And yes, they don't want you to Link the Flame, for different reasons.
Aldritch wants the Age of the Deep Sea that he saw in a vision. May be the Abyss, or something new, up to speculation.
Abyss Watchers are just mindless at this point and tainted by the Abyss.
Ludleth wants you to Link it and helps you.
Yhorm i can't really grasp his motivations.
Lothric Princes tells you they just want everything to fade.
So each one has some different reason to not sit in their throne and let you use their powers.
>>335676348
She is connected to Gwyneverre somehow because of her fine breasts and you get Bountiful Sunlight from her Soul which was Gwynevere's miracle, I can't remember from what it was but there was a piece of lore from an item that said Gwynevere had lots of kids and lived a happy life so Rosaria can't be Gwynevere herself.
![e74de26deac3c5134e58a7745db599d7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ke7b3zP.jpg "e74de26deac3c5134e58a7745db599d7[1]")
The Dark Souls 3 Lore Thread got archived before I could share my "big" discovery, so I hope you guys won't be offended if I share the connections I've pontificated upon what happened to DRANGLEIC and Dark souls 3 connections to Dark Souls 2.
>The Canon ending for Dark Souls 2 was the DLC ending: Due to the doubt planted by Aldia's constant prompts, their champion/chosen undead abandoned their duty and wander off into the darkness to seek an end to the cycle of darkness and fire.
>Drangleic however was lost into obscurity: perhaps it fell into the abyss or maybe it entered into the aformentioned age of "The Deep" and was swallowed by the sea. Either way it's gone.
>A few people however were able to escape or otherwise flee from Drangleic and into Lordran. The Obvious one being Gilligan the "laddersmith", but he seems to have finally died having fallen off of one of his own shitty ladders in the profaned capital.
>One other Man: Lion Knight Albert, a knight donning the armor of Faraam and the Golden Wing Crest Shield- both relics found only in Drangleic. Loyal to the royal family of Lothric and having joined with a party of like-minded individuals went to go and meet the prince as the fire faded- until the heir of cinders shows up and kills them(?)
>HOWEVER, It is said that prince Lothric was raised by a particular scholar, "The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire, and was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince."
I know it's a stretch, but I believe this scholar to either be the Chosen Undead from Dark souls 2 or at the very least a descendant of them- Perhaps the PC from Dark souls 2 took the Emerald Herald as a wife and sired offspring.
Is the crystal sage bugged on co-op
I got summoned but he became unkillable because he stopped spawning and i had to use the separation crystal
>>335676493
Go read the scholar ring and see the big hole it puts in your theory
>>335675120
The Chaos is dead. It either just died by burning itself up, or, under the name of "The Profaned Flame", it was snuffed out by Yhorm. It's not clear what the Profaned Flame is. It's somehow related to the Jailers/Maidens, but also it apparently came from the sky? It sounds like the Chaos, as it's an all consuming, near unstoppable flame.
>>335675342
>humans are just small.
FOR YOU
If anyone wants to discuss DLC potential in a new thread. >>335675848
>>335675997
He could still be. After all, you don't see Andre in the real Firelink, not even his corpse, and Archdragon Peak isn't real either.
>>335675345
Aldrich was dreaming of Yorshka, not Priscilla.
>>335676285
Well no, in Dark Souls the natural state of all humanoids (excluding maybe the giants) is a hollow. In the DaS1 intro we see hollows emerging to claim the lord souls which basically turned them into gods. Having very tiny fraction of the Dark soul is what makes you human. So basically all of humanity=a lord soul.
>>335676609
>Archdragon Peak isn't real either
seems like a big lucid dream
>>335676459
hm yea but Rosaria even has those enemies who look and act like those parasite egg things
>>335673219
Why do people say there's a time limit. as long as you have siegward's quest done up to pontiff AND THEN send greirat he WILL NOT DIE.
>>335676285
No, Gwyn and the others are giants of a sort. The Pygmy is the first human.
>mfw Souls humans are descendant from a manlet
>>335676763
You know, my first assumption when seeing that corpse holding the Fair Lady's corpse in the demon ruins was that it was Eingyi.
>>335676247
Ok, thanks, I think this is the first time I understand what is going on.
So each Lord of Cinder has some reason to not give a shit about the flame and just stay where they are, right?
Now I wonder: if all of them were asleep and woken up by the bell, as we see in the intro, when did Aldrich eat Gwyndolin? Because in the intro we clearly see it only as a blob, no Gwyndolin around, although this could be just a trick. Was Aldrich "sleeping" this whole time with Gwyndolin, he started eating him after he woke up (so that the time scale at the intro is fucked up), or he was "eating him" in a fucked up, dreamy Cthulhu-like way even while sleeping?
Hawkwood talks about the watchers as a legion of undeads who will cleanse entire kingdoms at the first sight of (abyss) infection.
They seem pretty cool in my book
>>335676763
Those don't have anything to do with the parasite eggs from Kelloggs, the grub-men are just guys who were reborn too many times and got fucked up, it even says when you try to rebirth after 5 times that "Persisting will turn you into a grub."
>>335676804
The pygmy is the same as the other lords though, they were all the same race.
Is Sword Master the single strongest NPC in the souls universe? He's got so much HP nothing can fucking kill him and his name is goddamn Sword Master.
Summoning him feels like you're using one of Nintendo's super guides.
>>335676562
>Go read the scholar ring and see the big hole it puts in your theory
"A ring engraved with a potrait of a scholar. Increases intelligence.
In Lothric, the Scholar has long been considered one of the Three Pillars of the king's rule, and is therefore master of the Grand Archives."
I don't understand, how does this put a hole in the theory?
I'm not being sassy, I just don't see what you do- could you please elaborate?
>>335676763
Except Rosaria turns people into grubs rather than help them.
>>335676459
Who was the lucky son of a bitch that got to bone the big tittied giantess? TELL ME! I'llgive him a high five!!
>>335676850
They shoulda sent them to Londor.
>>335676830
It's clearly Quelana.
>>335671946
To be fair, who wouldn't want to fuck a dragon?
>>335675443
Da fuq?
>>335676850
Watchers are a badass inquisition. They've even got the hats.
>>335676915
Flame God Flann
>>335676918
Don't think they still hophold their duty tho, they just mindlessly kill eachother now.
>>335674657
>Reddit thought the Smouldering Lake worm was sunlight maggot solaire
Berserk Dogs confirmed for Solaires children
>>335675943
I feel like wavering timelines was more like a lore explanation as to why you can summon people into your worlds to kill bosses they've already killed. Treating each playthrough as a different timeline.
But issues come up with making sequels to that like with Ornstein's armor in 3. Killing Ornstein is required in the game, you can't finish the game without killing him and you even get his souls if you kill him last. Yet the Soul of Cinder is a manifestation of everyone who's linked the fire.
I suppose it could be also including playthroughs that never got passed Ornstein. That the Ornstein you killed wasn't an illusion but instead the real thing and the armor we find is of an Ornstein that never fought his Chosen undead and ended up leaving in search of the Nameless King. It makes sense that way but still feels odd because of the whole, he's supposed to be dead thing.
>>335676915Seth
>And possibly nito as well
when will this one fag stop trying to push this retarded meme
>>335676887
He's clearly much smaller, I mean they call him a pygmy for a reason.
>>335675551
Yes, Aldrich had visions of the Deep but he needed to end the age of gods to make it happen and being a crazy fuck he decided eating the gods would be the best way, which is why Sully gave him the snack.
>>335676987
uphold* my bad
>>335671398
>superior then
>>335676841
Yeah, it seems like either there was some time that had passed after the Lords were resurrected and the Unkindled rising, or the bell rang more than once.
If that's the case then the first time it range it resurrected the Lords, and once it was clear that they didn't care about their duty to link the flame the bell rang again, resurrected Unkindled to be lordseekers and bring their lazy asses back to their thrones.
I just don't know off the top of my head if there were ever any references to the bell ringing multiple times.
Or maybe Aldrich had time to do all of this because time is all fucked in Dark Souls.
who the fuck cares about powur levels
oh that's right children
>>335675816
I think by rule of thumb we can assume:
All mandatory bosses were killed.
All optional bosses were spared.
>>335676459
Rosaria might be one of Gwynevere's daughters.
Her soul gives you Bountiful Sunlight, and her killer is fought in Gwynevere's chamber.
>>335676224
His brother was teleporting him
Doubt he brought him out of the castle
>>335677000
Smalls was an illusion in 1 and an optional fight in 2. It's likely that the "canon" (it doesn't seem like DkS2 was canon at all at this point but whatever) thing was that the Bearer of the Curse didn't fight Pikachu, he got bored of hanging out with the blueballs bros, and decided to hunt down Nameless King. Since we find his armor, we can probably assume what NK's opinion on coming back to link the flame was...
>>335676841
Aldrich is on the move when we awaken at the start of the game, you (and anri+horace) go to the cathedral of the deep looking for him and find he's left and chase him to irithyll where the pontiff just recently fed him gwyndolin
It seems likely that gwyndolins basically still being digested when we arrive
>>335677000
Actually the Old Dragonslayer could be the result of distorted timelines, it could very well be the actual Ornstein having been brought there by time fuckery only consumed by the Abyss, the Collector's Edition guide for DaS2 actually hints this.
>>335676804
>No, Gwyn and the others are giants of a sort
Lords =/= Giants
The three claimers of the first flame became Lords, the highest form of being. Below them are their children, the Gods. Below the gods are the giants, whose origins are unknown, and the humans, born from the pygmy, who may have become a human himself.
>>335676779
The wikia
I didn't want to take chances tbqh
>>335677202
it's interesting that even though pikachu is an illusion in one, you still get the Soul of Ornstein. Maybe he left it behind when he went to search for the nameless king, and the Soul was used by Gwyndolin to create the Ornstein Illusion
>>335677262
>pic
that amount of bullshit, holy crap.
>>335676057
>>335676448
Ok, that certainly helps, looks like I'm starting to make more sense of the global picture, not just the individual lores.
>>335674781
The guide is literally filled with nothing but inaccuracies. Why would one fanfic statement be taken as the truth?
Or did Solaire suddenly grow 3 times his size, become a greek god, wield a entirely different weapon, befriend dragons etcetc. It's not him.
>>335676459
>from an item that said Gwynevere had lots of kids and lived a happy life
I got you.
>>335677160
>Lorian has a hard time killing some demons
>He gives his brother a piggyback ride to Old Izalith for a powerup
>They wombo combo the demons
No wonder all those corpses started pilling up.
>>335677372
but it is a item discreption but it seems like From deleted the item.
>>335677293
That's true... Can't explain the soul for either of his appearances.
>>335675389
>Prime Yhorm with all his shit would literally take on gwyn and a couple others and still have a decent chance of winning.
I dunno man, the first lords literally killed unkillable stone dragons and took over the world. Yhorm is a beast, but he ain't that beast.
>>335676079
Where does this "Ludleth created the firelink you play in and everyone in it" bullshit come from? What are the item descriptions used to support this? His conversation about "we did all we could" only means that he was around when the first firekeeper was around and took her eyes to prevent the occurrence of untended graves again.
Literally fucking nowhere is it said that he has control over illusion magic or anything of the sort. Only that one point in the past that the fire went out for awhile and was a result of the firekeepers eyes.
>>335677438
He could've split it like how gwyn did with his soul giving pieces to Seathe and the Four Kings
Leave Gwyndolin a small part to make a functioning guard with and go on his way, that'd explain why he's relatively much weaker then the other 3 big knights of Gwyn as well (instead of the obvious game mechanic reason of him being the first encountered)
>>335677380
Wouldn't this have been before the CU stepped foot in Anor Londo? How old is Rosaria/Lothric/Wherever-the-fuck Sunlight Tits ran off to?
>>335677385
So were those enemies there demons?
So many demon corpses how did they all die so easily demons are strong
>>335676841
Gwyndolin was locked in the church you fight Sullyvan. The reason Aldritch has Gwyndolin face is because, indeed, he's still eating the trapboy when you enter the room. Fed by Sully after Aldritch wakes up from his nap.
>>335676459
>>335677380
In addition, the other Gwynevere miracle is from Dancer, whom is basically 100% confirmed to be a daughter based on her item descriptions (describing her ad a daughter of the 'old royalty', a term used to also describe Gwyndolin in Pontiff's soul).
I don't think it's a coincidence that Rosaria has the other miracle, or that Leonhard takes her soul to Gwynevere's seat.
>>335674152
But in DS3, you can literally gain levels by hallowing.
>>335677569
And it could explain how he's really fragile and not even electric-type in 2.
Didn't think about soul-splitting. Good idea, anon.
>>335677581
Wait did he eat his balls and cock too?
Isn't the Dark Souls universe one of the universes mentioned in DeS?
DaS is contained in one universe but DeS contains many universes, so I guess DeS protag is stronger by default?
>>335677364
What's bullshit about it? It's completely accurate. Gwyndoling, Velka, Artorias etc. are referred to as Gods, never giants.
>>335677580
They died because the Chaos flame was extinguished and that's what created them and gave them life. Without it they started to lose power and eventually die out. That and Black and Lothric Knights killing them for years.
>>335677646
Naturally.
>>335677438
well, my current headcannon is that when Ornstein left Anor Londo to search for the Nameless King he left his soul behind, perhaps out of guilt for abandoning his duty. Souls are funny thing in DaS, they're sort of like hats. Just because it's yours, doesn't mean someone else can't use it. We see this not just the way in which the player collects them, but also how the 4 Lord Souls are held by different beings in DS2.
So anyway, perhaps Ornstein left in Anor Londo. This would explain how Gwyndolin was able to create such a powerful illusion of Ornstein (the illusion could match the very real Smough in strength, while Gwynevere vanishes in a single hit) and why we can find Ornstein's gear in DS3, but not his soul
>>335677539
>only means that he was around when the first firekeeper was around and took her eyes to prevent the occurrence of untended graves again.
Can you expand on that?I thought all firekeepers are blind.
>>335677597
Could Leonhard have been trying to revive Gwynevere?
Your face when you realised that the slime enemies are parts of Aldritch that he dropped along his way to Anor Londo.
They only appear in areas Aldritch has been. Cathedral of The Deep, Catacombs of Carthus and Anor Londo, and they look exactly like Aldritch's 'tail' part.
>>335671398
Official Souls games power ranking:
The Hunter > Slayer of Demons > Chosen Undead > Unkindled One > The Next Monarch
>>335677779
but they are also in demon ruins.
>>335677539
>His conversation about "we did all we could"
How do you trigger that conversation?
>>335677686
Why do you think that?
If anything, the Xanthous set implies that Oolacile is Latria, so DeS would be a small part of DkS' world. But DeS had a pretty wacky cosmology--wasn't shrine of storms imaginary?
>>335677646
>Aldrich literally got to lick and an entire mouthful of Gwyndolins feminine penis
Oh I am jealous
>>335677728
Fair Lady is the only one shown to be blind in Dark 1. To be fair, we never saw Darkmoon or Anastacia's eyes, but they're never stated to be blind. Nightress follows you with her head.
>>335677831
It's extremely hard to establish where locations are in relation to each other in Demons souls because you just warp to a few specific spots in each kingdom
>>335677694
Ah they were too stupid to keep it going
>>335677714
It would explain why smough doesn't give a fuck about killing a dying ornstein.
>>335677823
Those are lava slimes.
>>335677831
>wasn't shrine of storms imaginary
No? Whats with the fucking imaginary meme?
>>335677898
True, but I haven't seen anything that places the two games in the same universe, aside from the cameo items
>>335677714
Splitting souls has happened before, and Ornstein has links to important characters, or might of been a smart enough cookie to figure it out himself.
>>335677575
Gods are pretty old. Gwyndolin has almost the same appearance he had in 1. She married with Flame God Flann. Wherever they went to, impossible to know, all that matters in the grand scheme of the story is that she expanded the royal family of Gwyn.
>>335677969
The Adjudicator, Old Monk, and Storm Ruler all have item descriptions that hint towards them being creatures from legend. SoS is also geographically isolated from the rest of Boletaria, and might not even be part of that kingdom at all. It's a theory.
>>335677714
>Gwynevere
Why did Gwyndolin use her illusion anyways? He's a god too
>>335677539
Is there a story to Untended Graves? It seems like an old firelink that got swallowed by the abyss. Is there more to that?
>>335671959
>half of them have been possessed and corrupted by the abyss
Nah, that's the Deep. Several enemies are corrupted by the dark in all games and they turn into abominations unrelated to red eyes.
The Iudex Gundyr is corrupted by the Dark.
The Champ is corrupted by the Deep.
Know the difference. :^)
>>335678314
W-Why is the deep stronger?
>>335678291
Its the real firelink. They're the same location. Drop a message in Firelink Shrine and it'll show up in Untended Graves.
>>335678227
what's more likely to convince chosen undead to do there job and not ask questions? Effeminate girly boy with snake legs, or the golden radiance of the great titty monster?
>>335678394
Separate vendors, though
>>335671398
>>Abyss watchers: Successfully sealed away abyss unlike Artorius.
no they didn't.
every enemy with red eyes is infected with the abyss
>>Aldrich: Devoured Gwyndline and possibly Nito as well.
was fed them, the army of the pontif trapped them
>>Nameless King: Power on par with Gwyn’s prime age.
he failed to stop the genocide of the dragons so, nah.
>>335678421
Both.
>>335677202
>it doesn't seem like DkS2 was canon at all at this point but whatever
The Giant race was introduced in Dark Souls 2. Never mind the armor sets, weapons, and shields that implicitly reference Drangleic and its king. Dark Souls 2 is certainly canon, just for your information. It is not explicitly mentioned in the main storyline because it's already a part of the end boss; either the Bearer of the Curse became a Dark Lord and Drangleic sank into obscurity and darkness (as your average kingdom does in the Souls universe), or they linked the flame and became another aspect of the eventual Soul of Cinder. Neither is going to pop out into your face, since Dark Souls 2 is not apocalyptic like Dark Souls 3 is. Vendrick's feverish study of the soul was all for naught, and a cure for the curse was never found. Not much more to do after that either. The only necessary reference is with Yhorm, being a Giant and also a Lord of Cinder, whose soul description implies his ancestors were conquerors of Drangleic.
>>335678314
the deep and dark are the same thing.
weapons that harm creatures of the abyss hurt deep things.
>>335678227
because that was the respect child of Gwyn, not the outcast or the traitor.
>>335677828
Talk to him with the firekeeper eyes in your inventory.
>>335677728
DS3 seems to imply that firekeepers had a massive change and became more ordered compared to the ones in DS1. ALL the firekeepers after the first one that presumably caused the untended graves because "the eyes reveal scenes of betrayal" and such had their eyes taken, while Ludleth is basically confirmed to be the oldest Lord of Cinder and took the first firekeeper's eyes. I guess Ludleth probably changed the order of the firekeepers from the kind in DS1 to the kind in DS3.
Still doesn't explain this "Ludleth is an illusionist" maymay.
>>335677686
My head canon for the all souls timeline is that Demon Souls takes place at some point in the Age of Dark way after the First Flame has been extinguished. Anything related to the First Flame has been forgotten and only the soul arts remain. Demons are called demons because some of them resemble the demons of ancient legends. The fact that Miyazaki added lovecraftian references like The Deep Sea in DaS3 seem to implie that at some point The Age of Deep Sea overtakes the The Age of Dark leading to the events of Bloodborne.
>>335677202
>(it doesn't seem like DkS2 was canon at all at this point
its canon, just irreverent. Its what it always was, some dude wandering around doing nothing in the end
>>335678501
They're related but they're not the same thing. See Aldrich and Deacon item descriptions. They tell of a thing more horrifying than the Dark that cannot be cured/removed by miracles which is the Deep and Aldrich had visions of such an Age of the Deep, unlike the Age of Dark which came and went before.
>>335677779
They don't show up in Irithyll though, and Aldrich had to go there too
Dark Souls 2's ending of sitting on a throne and watch the credits was so fucking god awful I wanted to shit on my 360
>>335676943
>LOOK AT ME AND MY FETISH
you faggots are the gurl gamers of 2016
>>335678480
I agree DKS2 happened and was basically just mostly irrelevant so that's why it doesn't come up so much but Giant's were in dark souls 1, theres a pair on sen's fortress
>>335678595
>See Aldrich and Deacon item descriptions.
the profaned flame is a flame tainted by the abyss and that was the inspiration for the pontiff and his church.
>Aldrich had visions of such an Age of the Deep
Which is ultimately just a variation on dark, not some stronger thing. Its the darkness at the bottom of endless water, rather than an endless void, its not actually a different thing, its abyss and is harmed by the same things.
>>335678713
I think he means the giant lords with the cunt faces that DaS2 had in those terrible timed flashbacks
>>335676943
>tits
>on a dragon
no
>>335678685
are you new?
>>335678785
The giants in DKs1 uniformly cover their faces, we have no idea what they look like
>>335678713
>>335678785
Yeah, giant cavernous asshole faces or whatever. Giant Lord was a shit boss, but I thought the race of Giants in general was a fine addition.
>>335678559
>Ludelth took Anastacia's eyes
Who was Ludleth? Some great sorcerer?
>>335678595
>See Aldrich and Deacon item descriptions.
They are talking about dark.
Its another resting place for dark.
its like how the moon is associated with the gods and flame because its a reflection of fire, the deep is ultimately tied to the abyss, it's the same and deep simply causes dark.
>>335678840
Their anatomy is definitely different, though.
Who knows, though.
>>335678959
pretty much.
Seems he became a lord of cinder for wisdom and intellect.
>>335678920
>Anastasia is the first firekeeper referenced
Try to keep up lad.
>>335678394
Epic meme with no support.
>>335678394
Just because it shows up there doesn't mean the places are connected in a Lore sense. It has a weird parallel universe vibe, and allows you to put an end to the flame... It might be a creation of the Abyss.
>>335671946
>NEET nameless king
mfw
>>335678840
>>335678985
Ash lake has a giant skull right there on the beach in Dark Souls 1. Now look at Yhorm cinder.
>>335679262
It quite clearly cannot be the real firelink just because of geography. It's just a look back in time at what happened during Gundyr's time.
>>335678291
it's time travel, not sure why it's all fucked. I think the intent tho is that Champ was gonna go do the bullshit, but then you showed up and bodied him, and then bodied him again in the future when he was a pissbabby tutorial boss.
It's like everyone thinking Artorias is a coolguy and beat the abyss when in reality you did because fucking time travel.
>>335678840
Not all giants are the big guys who open the gate to Sen's or throw boulders. All of the four knights (including Ciaran, who is human-sized) are technically giants. 'Giants' refer to a group of races rather than just one.
>>335672903
Nito's actually referred to as "the first of the dead" which could also mean he was their leader.
>>335679324
Aren't those dragon skulls? The place is full of scales.
>>335679324
Yhorm is giant (adj) not giant (noun). He's human or whatever race Gwyn and his knights were, just a really bug guy.
>>335679426
>'Giants' refer to a group of races rather than just one.
No it doesn't. Gwyn's race is never described as giants. Stop making shit up.
>>335678976
>>335678763
Chaos Flame is "the same" as Flame but it's not really the same, is it? Now I know how the word "nuance" even got to discussions of DS lore, idiots like you can't comprehend a basic connection and any discussion more subtle than a brick is elevated.
Literally retardposting.
So do we think the DLC is going to be about the Deep, in the same way that AotA was about the Abyss?
>>335679462
No?
Dragons dont look like that.
>>335679486
>or whatever race Gwyn and his knights were
Thats God, their race was Gods.
>>335679486
Except you kill him with the Stormruler, a weapon known as Giantslayer.
>>335677438
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>>335677293
I don't think it be too farfetched to say that the Soul of Ornstein you get in DaS1 is just a forgery. Just something Gwyndolin twisted to resemble the real Soul of Ornstein. Basically the souls equivalent of cloning. The fact that Frampt gives you less soul than if you had to consume the soul yourself seems to support this.
>>335679393
Gundyr arrived to Firelink too late and the flame was already out. It is implied that it is a result of the firekeeper's eyes and betrayal. Gundyr became sad and just sat there in misery until you showed up in the time travel area and later when he was abyss-ified.
>>335679695
Ah okay. So he threw a temper tantrum and got bodied, and then got bodied again.
>>335679557
Ciaran isn't the same race as Gwyn. She literally says 'you humans are all the same' if you attack her.
>>335679563
>Chaos Flame is "the same" as Flame but it's not really the same, is it?
It is another source of flame, at its core it is flame, just with different trappings.
If you look at two words but one is in cursive you'd be a retard to declare that the 'nuanced' view is that they are really two different words.
Its actually the exact opposite.
>>335679674
And it doesn't work on actual giants in the game.
>>335679620
How many DLCs is it getting? because deep and Profaned Flame seem like they could be expanded on.
I would also be interested in more info on the ruined firelink shrine.
>>335679746
>Ciaran isn't the same race as Gwyn. She literally says 'you humans are all the same' if you attack her.
Why does that make you think she isn't of his race since they looked down on humans?
>>335679684
You get BOTH of their souls in the game. It just depends who dies last
>>335679758
it totally does though?
>>335671398
I found the BB bosses more difficult, but more enjoyable
>>335679634
They're gods because of the Lord souls though. They're not inherently gods. They started out as what looks like hollows.
>>335679684
>The fact that Frampt gives you less soul than if you had to consume the soul yourself seems to support this
that's interesting, never knew that.
Still, that still leaves Ornstein's soul unaccounted for, although there are other potential explanations for that. Honestly, I've found the knew info about Gwyn's first born and Ornstein to be the most interesting lore to come out of the DS3
also
>it's a captcha keeps fucking up episode
>>335678421
The human sized fuccboi and not the big titty giantress
>>335679807
2, according to the season pass description on steam.
>>335679620
no because all persons involved in that are now dead, no leftover threads.
look for characters mentioned but not appearing, or places too. Like how Raime was mentioned in items and showed up in the game.
Or cut content, like how we know iron peak was chopped up, and we got to see a more as it was version
Londor maybe?
![47ed4e2f0095bf3a7de975a9655ae800[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IfHLUWJ.jpg "47ed4e2f0095bf3a7de975a9655ae800[1]")
>>335675942
>>335676192
>>335676348
>>335676459
>>335677139
>>335677597
>>335677738
I have no idea if Rosaria is Gwynevere, but here's what I've currently gathered/THINK happened with Gwynevere:
>Gwynevere after returning to Gwyndolin's Anor Londo she humored her brother and gave birth to many more children and for a time things were happy.
>Gwynevere eventually however is married to Ocerios who is the king of Lothric in order to unite the two neighboring kingdoms (Lothric being independent from Anor Londo).
>Ocerios and Gwynevere are happy for a time and she produces the Lothric sons; beautiful, fair-featured boys very reminiscent of their "uncle" Gwyndolin.
>However over time Ocerios becomes obsessed with the notion of dragons and with access to anor londo's archive discovers the legacy of seath the scaleless.(Ocerios mentions the lineage/legacy of his royal blood: I believe this could possibly be a mention to Dark souls 2 and that Lothric was originally founded by their chosen undead having taken the Emerald herald as his queen and mate- inseminating the dragon blood she has in her lineage into that of humanity.)
>Ocerios turns into a Seath Furry in secrecy and Gwynevere births him one final child: Ocelotte, before Gwynevere has finally had enough and disappears into obscurity.
>>335679486
You retard. Several of Yhorm's items make reference to humans, obviously meaning he's not human. And he's referred to as a "greatwood", like the Dark 2 giants. He's giant, probably a Dark 1 one. Or perhaps they just retconned the Dark 2 sphincter giants.
Lothric didnt kill a demon prince, he's just a little twink
Lorian was a 10/10 speciman though
>>335679426
Giants are a seperate race from the Lords (Gods). They were generally looked down (hurr hurr) upon by them. Hawkeye Gough was bullied for being a Giant even though Gwyn knighted him. Yhorm was still untrusted even though he became a Lord of Cinder. Giants were used for labor by the Lords.
>>335674582
>Mfw Chalice Ebrietas
>>335679751
When discussing something that is similar, nobody cares about the core. You can't just call things "the same thing" just because their "core" is similar or identical.
The Deep is not Dark/Abyss any more than the Chaos Flame has nothing to do with the First Flame.
>>335679901
>They're not inherently gods.
Yes they are. Thats their species in the same way that the witches of izaleth had that as their species.
Those without lord souls were still gods. Its why dark2 makes note that all the gods in its game are false
>>335679758
Just stop man.
Yhorm, the, big capital "G", Giant is killed with the Giantslayer.
He's a damn Giant. Stop trying to reject the fact just because he has a face. Use your strenght to think why the DaS2 DON'T have a face instead of hammering Yhorm.
>>335679807
>>335679943
Profaned Flame seems likely. It's connected to both Yhorm, Pope Sully, and is mysteriously unfading. Plus it's got some connection "a certain Oracle'
>>335680025
Lothric is made for raping.
Lorian is made to be raped by.
>>335679901
The people of Anor Londo's 'species' is "gods".
>>335679903
Why unaccounted for? Ornstein is alive. You find his armor but never a body.
>>335679903
There wasn't a body when you find Ornstein's armor in DaS3, so i'm guessing he removed willingly so he could become one of many dragonkin found at the peak.
>>335680208
unaccounted because we have no idea where it is if Ornstein's in DS1 is a fake.
rip my bro smough
you fought til the bitter end
>>335680027
Wasn't Gough bullied by humans, not other Lords?
>>335678394
>implying that's just not asset reuse
Dark Firelink is probably the reason there's a fog wall every time you enter Firelink. The game has to make sure to load the right outdoors area
>>335680113
>Lorian is a cripple, deaf and mute
>Can barely fight off the Ashen One
>Not mounting him and raping as he futilely tries to get you off
>Lothric screaming DEAR BROTHER as he desperately tries to mend Lorian's ruptured anus
>>335680221
>he removed willingly
>armor is found at Peak after Nameless King
????
>>335680058
>You can't just call things "the same thing" just because their "core" is similar or identical.
Yes you can.
For example chaos flame and flame, totally accurate to say they are both actually flame.
>The Deep is not Dark/Abyss
Ok, given your next example is about how two things are related and at their core the same, this is something that actively refutes your own point.
The game itself treats them as abyssal and states their effect as dark.
It cannot spoonfeed you this any more and somehow you are so staggeringly attached to this head-canon you are doing mental gymnastics to defend it as not actually being the abyss at all.
I wouldn't be so amazed by how stupid you are but you tried to do that big talk about nuance while actively rejecting the idea that nuance could be why you're wrong. Zero introspection
>>335680270
Wonder what cheap tricks or cheats pontiff used to win
>>335680247
It's where it belongs, inside his body.
>>335680270
>crazy fuck who would smash your fukken 'ead in just to see the blood splatter
>rips
No
>>335680061
I think the Witches were gods, just a subsect of them, until that Chaos Flame thing happened.
I'd go as far as to say Nito is the same, the first of the dead (gods). Humanity came to be after with the shit the Pygmy did.
>>335680295
>The game has to make sure to load the right outdoors area
This is the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.
>>335680102
>Plus it's got some connection "a certain Oracle'
well, thats a very solid lead.
>>335677598
That's a whole different story. Londor had figured out a way to draw strength from it, but nobody else had
>>335680324
You actually perceived that quip about "nuance" as "big talk" instead of insulting your stupidity because this isn't in fact "nuance" but braindead categorization?
Hang yourself and post pictures.
>>335674784
There's one soul in te Abyss Watchers, constantly changing hosts and killing every other abyss-infected watcher who rises up in an endless cycle
>>335679856
I got a sense of accomplishment when I defeated a boss or a really tough enemy in BB, but not in DaS3. I'm not exactly sure why.
>>335671398
BB had much better bosses but if you limit yourself to the DaS series you're right.
>>335677797
i'd say the hunter = slayer of demons but the rest is accurate
in bloodborne, the hunter could either leave the dream of or become a squiddie god
in demons's souls, one of the endings imply that the slayer of demons became powerful enough to become a demon himself, probably proven by him being able to kill the maiden in black which was supposedly the most powerful demon in existence
but that was probably just because she wasn't bound to the nexus anymore, but still
>dlc is going back in time and saving Gwyndolins boipucci
Please from
>>335676830
Eingyi was the one in the lava pit with the toxic mist trying to reach the witch hair talisman.
>>335680470
Because every fucking boss and area in the game is just "Hey remember Dark Souls 1???"
>>335680247
There was plenty of evidence in Dark Souls 1 to suggest that he was a fake. Dark Souls 3 pretty confirms it since one item saids that Smough was a last defender of Anor Londo.
>>335680540
>There was plenty of evidence in Dark Souls 1 to suggest that he was a fake.
Like?
>>335679903
Here is the best explanation for Ornstein's story in DS1 and DS3. Sacred Oath mentions there's actually a 3rd Dragonslayer so he's so inconsequential that DS2's Old Dragonslayer is most likely him
Before DS1, Ornstein relinquished his Gwyn-granted soul to find Nameless King. Gywndolin used his soul to create Illusion Ornstein. CU defeated Smough first so Illusion Ornstein absorb his powers to become Super Ornstein but left Smough alive, hence you not getting Smough's Soul. Smough then gets promoted to be the last knight in Anor Londo
Ornstein found the Archdragon Peak and then astrally project himself like you did to find Nameless King. His physical body was used to make Dragonslayer Armor and the Astral one took off his armor and became a Dragon Monk or something.
>>335680430
>You actually perceived that quip about "nuance"
no the part were you go on about how others are idiots and retarded is what I was talking about but hey, you've done a great job making yourself look stupid why bother thinking now.
Or are you so upset you failed to note obvious categories as mattering in trying to categorize something couldn't stop yourself from telling me to kill myself like you're 12.
>>335674548
>Literally transcend comprehension
Come on. I know that it's inspired by Lovecraft, but Bloodborne's Great Ones aren't close to being on-par with Lovecraftian entities.
Great Ones most certainly can be killed. Although the results of doing so can be disastrous (or beneficial to the Great One), and they can and will manipulate hunters into killing other Great Ones.
>>335680597
>CU defeated Smough first so Illusion Ornstein absorb his powers to become Super Ornstein but left Smough alive, hence you not getting Smough's Soul.
What the fuck am I reading?
If you kill Smough first, you get Ornstein's Soul and ring.
>>335680618
Ah so you weren't paying attention to the discussion at all and were simply shitposting about anons. Got it. Hang yourself further.
>>335680597
>and the Astral one took off his armor and became a Dragon Monk or something.
or got killed by the nameless king, guys a traitor and all.
>>335680005
Also for what it's worth here's what I've gathered about Rosaria:
>Rosaria is the Goddess of rebirth and was kept away within the cathedral of the deep behind caged bars. Was this to keep her there until Aldritch had the time to eat her? Or was this perhaps to keep Rosaria away from others or even Adlritch? Could she be capable of -destroying- or -recreating- Aldritch into something else and the cathedral feared this?
>Rosaria doesn't seem to turn people into Maggot men; the Maggot men become maggots due to their own greed. She allows people to be reborn as many times as they wish, but the more they rebirth themselves the more they lose themselves and risk becoming maggot men.
>Rosaria however loves her maggot men and her chambers resemble a maternity ward: cribs built to house and bed the fetile maggot men so Rosaria may take care of them until they can become lucid or perhaps hopefully regain their senses?
>Leonard is a member of the Rosaria's fingers: he originally becomes one in an effort to be reborn so he can cure his horrible burned face, but eventually comes to terms with his condition.
>Leonard becomes almost obsessed and completely enamored by Rosaria; not her physical appearance, but her personal qualities, tenderness, and her seemingly selflessness.
>He kills her most likely believing her to be an incarnation of of Gwynevere or an aspect of her; taking the soul of Rosaria to Gwynevere's throne in an effort to possibly revive her.
>The PC comes and interrupts this process and finds Rosaria's soul: it is a frail, stringy, thing almost resembling a lock of hair- nothing like what you'd expect out of a bright, vivid, god soul that Gwynevere would possess.. But maybe that's all that's left of her over all this time?
I dunno, that was a little speculation, but I'm not 100% sure either way.
I do however think Rosaria is really cute.
>>335680714
hey you gave up trying to actually make an argument after it was pointed out the game says you are wrong, so I'm just having fun with how easy you are to rile up.
Took your time catching on.
>>335680307
I'm trying to say that Ornstein found the Nameless King and decide to stay with him instead of returning to Anor Londo. In-game your character has to remove their armor to use the dragon stones so I guessing that what Ornstein did since there is no corpse where you find the armor.
>>335677025
Pretty sure it only stems from Aldritchs ass looking like Nitos Skeleton and Hair coat.
>>335680720
There's no body in the ground, just the armor.
He took it off and left it there.
There's only two ends from here:
1- He saw Nameless King and said "That's it! I'm done" and walked away.
2- He joined the Dragon sect.
I prefer the first. Dragonslayer joining dragons? One traitor is enough.
Why are there two Ornsteins?
Dragonslayer Armour is his armour, and uses his broken spear, but his armour can also be found in Archdragon Peak.
Why are there two of them?
>>335680783
You didn't make any arguments in your last two posts so I'm just posting to your posting because this is "fun" for you and it's a reflex for me.
>>335680812
Also his weapon is the Gravelord Greatsword on a stick
>implying Ornstein isn't the King of the Storms
>>335680281
I suppose thats possible. I'm a bit fuzzy on if humans inhabited Anor Londo or not, being a city of the gods. There is a distinct lack of hollowed enemies there, but the painting guardians and the darkmoon knightess could possibly be human. Gwyndolin doesn't seem to have a problem recruiting humans into the Darkmoon Blades either.
>>335671398
>Unkindled One is strongest protagonist lore wise?
lmao
Chosen Undead killed the guys that wiped out the fucking Dragons mate, he is the apex predator of the Dark Souls world
>kills king of gods
>kills literal death
>kills the witches who are responsible for the creation of hell
on top of that he is the only Souls protag to ever met a real dragon
so it goes
Chosen Undead > Gwyn/Nito/Izalith/Seath > Dragons > Unkindled one > left overs from CU rampage > DS2 protag > hollows
>>335680523
Yeah, a lot of the enemies in DaS3 just feel, well, cheap, in some ways or another. It really doesn't help that enemies have magnet-lock so they're already attacking where you'll end up rolling, especially those fat fucks with the long halberd.
>>335680679
Yeah, you KO'ed Smough. Illusion Ornstein absorb some of his power and you kill Super Illusion Ornstein and his soul. Smough is left alive as the last knight as per DS3 description hence why you didn't get his soul.
>>335677580
the secrets of circle straffing led to their extinction.
>>335680940
How do you think you got there? Astral projection which is why there are so many other bodies in meditation pose around there as well.
What if Aldrich was Gwyndolin in a different timeline that defeated the player and took his souls, and then got addicted to gaining power?
>>335680940
There are Dragonslayers and there is Ornstein.
Ornstein was one of the 4 Knights, doesn't mean he was the only Dragonslayer.
Ornstein uses a spear and no shield.
The armour you fight uses and axe and a shield.
>>335681049
Doesn't DaS2 faggot talk to ancient dragon? Or whatever the name for the fat HP nigger in the aerie was.
>>335680679
nah mate, you may think Ornstein that powerfull knight in golden armor fighting with lightning, but the real ornstein is an illusionist, the caster of the 4 knights, and he has his illusions every fucking where
>>335681251
That wasn't a real dragon
>Ornstein isn't real
Okay, there's memes, and then there's retardation.
>>335681251
ancient Dragon was created by Aldia using a giants soul, which you get when you kill him, so he is not really a Dragon
>>335681049
But Bearer of the Curse meets a real dragon too, Sinh.
>>335680739
Good read, i need to stop overlooking things that are clues to things like this. I just keep mindlessly killing everything and reaping the rewards without much thought
>>335681236
>The armour you fight uses and axe
Look closely at the axe. The handle is made from Ornsteins' Spear.
>>335681013
I always thought that Lordran exist apart from the "human world" in Dark Souls, kinda of the Dark souls version of Heaven or Olympus. Normal humans were probably not allowed in Lordran.
>>335672112
Why Yhorm has face? Most giants have anus for a face.
>>335681276
Oh bullshit. We're going too deep now
>>335681049
Bearer of Curse meets and kills Sinh
Get stumped.
>>335681385
>kill fuckhuge dragon
>one(1) bone
>>335681449
Yup. It's a sort of parallel dimension. Anyone can go there, though.
>>335681517
With a huge spear through his collarbone and just after waking up.
>>335681427
The handle appears to be made from a Spear. You can't say it's from Ornstein. That's still a completely different battle form than Ornstein. Different people, different owners.
>>335681459
He's a DS1 Giant, not GS2 Giant.
>>335681049
>left overs from CU rampage
Hell yeah mother fucker. Chosen Undead (literally me) is badass as FUCK.
>>335681427
I don't see it
>>335677797
The Hunter < Slayer of Demons < Chosen Undead < Unkindled One < The Next Monarch
FTFY
>>335678291
>old firelink
Its the future canon ending in 3 is you either become the flame or let it fade.
>>335681728
As opposed to Seath who was completely mad and blind
I see a lot of people talking about Yhorm the Giant and the Dark Souls 2 Giants, so I'm going to say my speel about it and you can either take or leave it:
>Giants are a separate race from Humans, Gods and Dragons.
>Giants are descendant from the ancient trees that made up the world during the time of grey, mist and dragons.
>When Giants "hollow" they do so in a VERY different manner to humans: Giants become emaciated, deformed and a dark-sign like void develops around/within their faces giving them their extremely iconic look in dark souls 2.
>Giants do NOT lose their sanity as they become hollowed; their spirits are INDOMITABLE, DETERMINED and PERSISTANT and they can continue to fight and press on for generations. Eventually however they will die and when they finally do they sprout roots and grow into the trees they one were.
>Yhorm is a Giant. Yhorm is in fact a direct descendant from the ancient Giant king that terrorized Drangleic generations ago.
>Yhorm become massively disenfranchised with his title and responsibility as a "lord of cinder" due to his entire kingdom burning down when he originally linked the flame and it turned into a "profaned flame that burn only human flesh" and is inability to protect his subjects.
>Yhorm as we see him has "begun" to hollow: His face has begun to visibly sink into his face.
>>335680634
BB's boss philosophy is quite literally a descent into madness.
You basically fight a giant werewolf and then a dude that turns into a werewolf, then a weredeerwolf, then a witch or a trio of cultist. Then suddenly it's a weird fucking spider thing that shoots comets, a bone beast riding the lightning, and a pile of fetuses shitting everywhere.
Then you're fighting a human spider thing with a rock full of eyes for a head that shoots lasers, a guy wearing a cage talking about weird gods and shit that shoots lasers and slugs.
Then fucking ayylmaos and a slug alien with a vagina for a face.
Then it gets normal again kind of only you're fighting a feathered cloak because the thing is invisible. Then you fight PSSH nothing personnel old man and finally nyarlathotep.
You're basically going insane.
>>335681459
>>335681743
Look, we don't need to put Yhorm and Giants from DaS2 in different categories. Specially because there's implications that Yhorm may be a descendant from the Giant Lord from 2.
He looks exactly like them except when he goes Cinder mode and you can see his eyes and when you kill him and you can see his skull.
Both are situations that never happen in 2. We can safely assume all 2 giants looks like Yhorm, we just never had the chance to see it. Call it a retcon or whatever.
>>335681892
Maybe he was talking about the Everlasting Dragon in Ash Lake
>>335681924
His face isn't sinking at all. He has a regular face, it's just in shadow.
>>335682002
talking about Ash Lake, is smoldering lake supposed to be ash lake? because if so it is underwhelming as fuck, Ash lake wasn't just a cave with some trees in it
>>335681818
I can, compare the top of the shaft on the axe and the part just above the cross-piece on the spear.
>>335676915
Oceiros. Lorian, Lothric, and Ocelotte are her kids.
>>335671946
>>Nameless King: NEET, race traitor, dragonfucker
>>335682261
Wrong. Only Rosaria.
Aldrich and Sullyvan churches keep Gods locked in. No coincidence, Gwyndolin and Rosaria were locked, one in the Cathedral, the other in the Pontyff church.
>>335682108
Yes
>>335681730
It's quite clearly Ornstein's spear. The axe is affixed to the 'cross' part of the spear.
>>335677000
>Yet the Soul of Cinder is a manifestation of everyone who's linked the fire.
Yes and it's been 300+ years since DaS1. A lot of undead have linked the flame. Every Lord of Cinder in 3, for instance.
>>335682608
>Every Lord of Cinder in 3, for instance.
Nope. From all those Lords, only Ludleth and maybe Yhorm linked the Flame.
>>335682492
>Only Rosaria
And the Dancer. Her soul can be used to make one of Gwynevere's miracles, and her helm says she comes from "the old royalty."
>>335682574
>>335682180
Cross piece is too long and big on the axe and it's missing the entire curved section leading up to the blade. I don't think you can just slide that whole section off. You'd have to break it and the axe is much too cleanly cut for that.
>>335682694
Yeah, her as well.
>>335682608
>only 300 years
how fucking fast does that flame die out holy shit, the Dark Souls world must face an apocalypse every other day
>>335682574
>Ornstein's Armor is actually in the game
>people still insist Dragonslayer's Armor is his
It's Nameless King's armor. He stopped using it after he "befriended" dragons and uses some tribal shit made of dragonscales they apparently shed.
His signature weapon is actually a swordspear. That's where Ornstein got his style - he learned dragon hunting from Nameless.
Lothric failed in every aspect of life, he even dragged his brother down with him
Though it's more Ocerios's fault if anything
>>335682712
>>335682624
You'd have to actively avoid seeing it to not see this.
>>335682712
>Cross piece is too long and big on the axe
The spear has been scaled down, especially compared to Ornstein's giant version.
>>335682108
No, it's Izalith.
>>335682787
>uses tribal shit
I guess Gwyn used tribal shit too, since they wear the same thing pretty much.
>>335682863
I sincerely think you need glasses.
>>335682787
No, it's Ornstein's. The game constantly throws surreal imagery and objects existing in mutliple different places at once at you after the Dancer fightl
>>335682787
dragonslayer armour kinda looks like a melted ornstein though, if you ask me
and there has to be some reason the pilgrim butterflies control it
>>335682948
Well I guess it's just a coincidence that it looks like a boss who is Ornstein's armour reanimated has a weapon that looks like it's made from his spear.
Just a coincidence.
>>335683032
Wait a second, what's this? Is this cut content? I don't remember seeing this in the game.
>>335682492
Yet the Divine Blessing tooltip in 3 and 1 correlate perfectly.
"Holy Water from the Goddess Gwynevere. Fully restore HP and undo irregularities.
The Goddess of Sunlight, Gwynevere, daughter of the great Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, is cherished by all as a -symbol of bounty and fertility-."
>Bounty and Fertility
Holy water blessed by the Queen of Lothric.
"Fully restores HP and cures ailments.
The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared."
>Fertility and bounty
GEE WIZZ
>>335683060
What even are the Pilgrim Butterflies?
>>335683101
yup but its in the game files.
>>335683060
Pilgrim butterflies are such fucking dickasses. Why do they try to stop the player? I thought we, humans, are supposed to stick together during tough times. Like the end of the world.
>>335671946
read the abyss watcher description again, those niggas would completely obliterated KINGDOMS that showed signs of abyss corruption
>>335671946
>Nameless King: NEET, race traitor, dragonfucker, got kicked out of home by his dad instead of confronting him
Wait a second, I'm not seeing a problem here. Isn't being a dragonfucker a positive thing?
>>335682874
So has the axe. If it was actually his spear the cross pieces would match.
They don't.
>>335682863
I see a handle that is similar in style to his spear, but is definitely not his "broken spear" with a rock on it.
Gives credence to the idea that there were multiple dragonslayers.
>>335683074
But it doesn't, that's the point. Analyze section by section and in each one you see obvious differences.
>>335683032
>pendant is in game
WHAT
I bet it still does nothing
Why does it have the sun medal description tho?
>>335683196
They want Dark. Unkindled is trying to link the Flame. Can't let you do that.
>>335683151
no fucking idea, maybe the hollows are evolving into dragons or some shit
or it's humans departing the dying planet or what the hell do I know
>>335683304
Not in the game. Cut content.
>>335683032
this pretty much confirms Solaire = firstborn
and nameless king definitely not firstborn since it says "still watches closely over his warrior", and that mad undead guy doesn't seem like he would do that
maybe it really is Ornstein
>>335675267
So if Aldrich is the Nito, that'd make watchers the 4 kings equivalent(pretty obvious) and maybe Yhorm would be Izalith's one (both related to chaos and their locations). Problem is it's quite hard to find something to relate Lothtic abd Ludeth to.
>>335683362
>Unkindled is trying to link the Flame
But I'm not.
>>335683263
>Gives credence to the idea that there were multiple dragonslayers.
Of course there were, Gough was their commander.
Absolutely no indication they had gold scaled armor and cross spears like Ornstein, though.
>>335683512
It's cut conetent you nigger.
Swordspear description literally says that Nameless King was the heir of lightning.
>>335683514
Lothric is pale and sickly mage hiding in a library.
Ludleth is the fifth wheel, because there were only four Lords in the previous games.
>>335675267
speaking of Priscilla, I got the impression she still is imprisoned in the painted world, you can find the painting guardian armor in the "prison tower", that has to mean something
>>335671398
Abyss Watchers a a bunch of chodes, get rekt by just one Darkwraith.
http://youtu.be/Hfz5Lj4FF7w
>>335683594
Canonically that's why you were revived. The Lothric Princes don't want to Link it. You possibly do. Killing you is a safe bet.
>>335683650
>Its owner was the Nameless King, a deific hunter of dragons. The swordspear is imbued with lightning, of which he was the heir.
could be ornstein too, that proves nothing
>>335683609
>Gough leads the bow users
>Ornstein leads the melee weapon users
>???
Makes more sense than trying to say a weapon is another weapon when it only resembles said weapon.
>>335683707
I wonder what happens to the Painted World itself is the painting is destroyed?
Does it just block the entryway into the world, or destroys it altogether?
>>335683609
Silver knights are reffered to as dragonslayers sometimes.
>>335671398
>There are still faggots on reddit that are unabashedly claiming that the Nameless King must be Solaire
>They're praising each other for their intelligent speculation
Fuck I hate reddit so goddamn much.
Don't go there if you search 'Nameless King Lore", for your own good.
>>335683841
>HEIR OF LIGHTNING
>GWYN IS THE KING OF LIGHTNING
>HURRR COULD BE ORNSTEIN
>>335684007
If any stupid fan theories should be believed for Solaire, it should be the one where both the Chosen Undead and him beat Gwyn, Solaire links the flame and the CU leaves to become the dark lord.
>>335683707
There are some references that stories exist of her where hollows view her as some kind of guardian of the forsaken like themselves.
The phrasing makes it sound like she is still out there.
>>335684007
You forgot the people who think the smouldering lake worm is solaire after being consumed by the sunlight maggot.
>>335684292
So who fugged her to make Yorshka?
My bet is on Gwyndolin.
>>335683609
I thought Gough being the leader reffered to him leading the users of dragonslayer bows.
>>335684183
But this one is pretty much all but confirmed except for the dark lord part.
>>335684428
Yorshka is another of Oceiros and the Queen's children.
>>335684628
She has the same tail as Priscilla, and there seems to be a link between her and the painted world.
>>335684428
Can undead have kids?
If yes it was the CU.
>>335684909
Just because you waifu her doesn't mean you got to fuck.
>>335684723
>same tail
Hell no. Priscilla's tail is soft and fluffy.
Yorshka's is bald and fleshy.
>>335684723
I almost feel she could be a retconned Priscilla but i just don't see why they would do it. She looks worse and there's no reason to. She has no Scythe or fighting capabilities so the Scythe Miracle from Aldritch must be related to the real Priscilla. Can't nail what Yorshka is or why she needs to exist.
>>335685783
>Can't nail what Yorshka is or why she needs to exist
This. I like how From ended some DS1 stories (Firstborn of Gwyn, Gwyndolin, Orny), but then they added some bullshit characters like Yorshka and Rosaria just for lore-bait.
>>335685956
Rosaria fit's fine.
Daughter of Gwynevere, wife of Oceiros and done. Yorshka though...
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