Is Lothric just a newer version of lordran or something like that?
>>334786593
The world is collapsing. It's all being pulled together.
>>334786593
'Yes, indeed. It is called Lothric, the transitory lands where the Lords of Cinder converge.' The rest of Anor Londo might have sunk away or faded.
I have my own question.
Wasn't it mentioned in the opening that the Lords of Cinder awoke to relink the flame?So why are YOU the one linking the flame in the end? Or was that just a ruse to get you to kill them and absorb their souls so that you would be the eventual linker of the fire?
>>334786879
Because they were lazy fucks who couldn't be assed to do what needs to be done.
>>334786879
>First Flame revives the lords of cinder to rekindle the fire.
>Lords fuck off
>First flame starts reviving the unkindled to drag their asses back to the flame
The first flame is self aware and in total preservation mode. There's also probably something with the rising of the abyss, and the fall of firelink
>>334786879
>>334786593
Pay attention to the geography as you play. Both Lothric Castle and High Wall are MIILES away from Anor Lando which is located in that snow city whose name esacpes me
>>334787127
>tfw the flame is close to going out
>tfw The age of Dragons is coming back
The Eclipse is also an interesting feature I'd like explained
I assume time and space has been fucked over at this point in time. That is why kingdoms of different periods are all in the same place. That is why you find 3 different versions of firelink etc.
>>334786593
Is there any lore summary anywhere for that matter?
I've completed around 70% of DS1, finished DS2 and currently playing through DS3.
I have no fucking idea what's going on, I just run around killing stuff because I can.
I've heard that lore is sold through item descriptions and whatnot. But I seriously can't make anything out of this shit.
What the hell is it going on with this world?
Am I still undead in DS3? Who the fuck is Ashen One?
If everyone in the world is undead and constantly comes back to life, why do NPCs get pissy when you kill other NPCs? They are just going to return.
>>334787169
Irithyll
But as for OP's question I assumed it was because Anor Londo (or that particular part of), was so important due to O+S, Gwyndolin, Gwynevere etc. so it was kept as a holy place and people kept it going.
>>334787347
>If everyone in the world is undead
They aren't.
>>334787314
Basically in DS1, you were an undead led to slay the four lords, so you'd be able to rekindle the first flame aka the flame of life and such
Here in DS3, the lords of cinder (other cool cats who rekindled the flame) are mia, and the flame is going out. the flame is pissed and revives undead as unkindled to bring the lords to help revive the flame.
>>334787314
>Not sure if bait or just stupid.
>>334787314
Agreed. Any lore buff who can give us a run down of the DS story? I think its the afterlife.
>>334786879
Most of the lords had gone hollow, as seen by their glowing red eyes. Except Lothric that didn't want to do it, and Ludleth that was ready to do it from the start
>>334787471
dark souls fans were a mistake.
So who did Aldrich consume other than Priscilla and Gwyndolin? Did he he comesume Nito too?
>>334786593
Is Anor Londo in DS3 real or a replica made by someone else? Or are we just Giants now? The room you fight Aldrich in is the same room you fight Ornstien and Smough but its so much smaller.
>>334787127
Yes but what was the point of killing them though
You drag their skulls back to Firelink Shrine, where they somehow allow you to teleport to the Kiln of the First Flame. Here's what I don't understand - shouldn't the flame be linked by them if you bring their remains back?
Do the lords' remains somehow imbue you with the power to link the fire? If so, the world is still fucked because you are a 'nameless accursed undead unfit even to be cinder', explicitly saying that it's impossible for you to link the fire.
>>334787418
I think they clearly stress the fact that Lordric is built on top of Lorderon. The first boss literally takes place in front of Nitos coffin, and we see the influences of the other lords very prominently (seathe in the king, the demon ruins)
>>334786593
Souls lore is fucked dude, you should only the first game
>>334787793
The skull view you as worthy to rekindle the flame, and they do imbue you with some kind of power. Remember the cut scene? they all send a red glow from their eyes into you.
Also, Ludleth tells you its fine to bring their remains to the thrones. I guess you just wanted their powers, kinda akin to the lord souls or something.
>>334786593
look
its mediocre shit
thats all you need to know
the gameplay is pathetic and boring
>>334786593
To put it simply as to why Anor Londo is in the game.
Shits fucked.
>>334787253
Age of dragon is never coming back. Age of dragons is predated the age of fire.
I am so sad that they completely ignored the new ending that came with scholar of the first sin.
Sounded like it would lead to something new, but nope. Just more of the same.
>>334788127
>this is what pygmies actually believe
>>334787957
Makes sense.
I'm doubtful that you ever link the flame properly though. In the link ending you sort of just start fizzling gently and sit down calmy on the ash as the camera pans away toward the eclipse. Compare this to DS1's linking where the entire kiln BTFOs and you are are stuck in a powerful, grasping pose as the entire kiln rages in a powerful inferno. It seems as if From is hinting that the link ending was pointless and the world is destined to go to shit.
is the ashen one the same guy from the first one?
>>334786593
Is deprived a legit class in DS3 like it was in DeS or is it just a meme class like it was in DaS?
The story is so convoluted.
It's basically just THE FIRE NEEDS TO BE LIT OR ELSE SHIT IS GONNA BE DARK AND ONLY THE ZOMBIE HERO CAN DO IT!
That's all the story that you need to know in the Souls series.
When it comes to Demon's Souls however. I don't remember exactly WHY you needed to conquer the various archstone locations. All that needed to be done is to defeat the corrupted Allant and have the Maiden In Black drive the Old One back to his slumber.
>>334788306
No.
This takes place after Dark Souls 1. Theres a theory Aldrich, Devourer of gods is the Player character from DS1
>>334786593
>Can someone explain how the fuck is Anor Londo in DS3?
nostalgia pandering... why else?
>>334788294
Pretty sure its the end of the series. I think that was the point.
>>334788294
The link ending seems like the bad end. It's the default one to get if you miss out on hidden areas and NPC quest lines.
>>334788259
First flame brought about fire and with fire came darkness. The absence of fire is darkness. Age of fire and darkness are dualities. There is no more place for age of dragons.
>>334787314
>>334787561
Primeval human-like beings lives in dark ass world of nothingness until they discovers a flame beneath the earth that bequeaths them power in the form of Souls. Primeval beings become more human looking and those that acquired the strongest souls from the flame lead humanity against the creatures that ruled over the bleak nothingness. Sick kingdom is founded but sick kingdom begins to fall apart over time because the flame that gave its power away is fading. Those with the strongest souls try and find a way to fix the flame but all of them either fuck it up or just ignore it, Gwyn, who founded the sick Kingdom and supposedly had the strongest soul decided to return his soul to the fire and burn his power to keep his kingdom alive. In DS1 you play as an undead which is drawn to the first flame to gather powerful souls and then self immolate to keep the fire going.
In DaS3 the flame is fading to an all time low and requires great souls to act as tinder, sadly but now the fire has been re-lit numerous times and now no great souls remain. The fire revives heroes of the past to return and together light the flame, sadly none of them want to- either because they learned their lesson the first time or because they believe they are needed elsewhere. Fire begins to revive anyone it can to collect the previous Heroes and bring them back so the fire can be re-lit another time. As the fire reaches an all time low the world begins to fall into itself like a black hole and Kingdoms from different timelines begin to phase into a single reality. Near the very end of the game the fire is basically dead and the world has been turned into nothing but cinder and ash. For the first time ever the first flame has been uncovered from beneath the earth by the world completely falling apart and you fight the charred corpse of a being that represents every being that has lit the first flame.
>>334788410
The Usurper ending seemed pretty sinister. You make everyone your slave
>>334788393
That seems like a pretty awful theory. Any deets?
I figured the final boss was basically DS1 chosen undead, with the whole "vessel of all the lords" they were talking about. Not to mention in the armor descriptions, they kinda nod towards it as well.
>>334787787
You're a big guy
>>334788306
no and there are mutiple ashen ones
>>334787591
Red eyes is abyss corruption. That's why during the first half of the abyss watchers fight, they stop attacking you and go after the one with red eyes
>>334788467
As long as it breaks the cycle I don't mind
>>334788393
looks nothing like the chosen undead
>>334787468
thx anon
>>334787471
When it comes to this stuff, you can consider me stupid. I have enough of irl shit to brain through everyday to not waste brain cycles on trying to understand really vague world.
Although I still enjoy it.
>>334788461
You're a Godsend man, appreciated.
>>334788393
but the Soul of Cinder is partly the CU
>>334788410
Good ending is saved for dlc :^)
>>334788530
Mostly its based on how the DS1 PC devoured souls. Its really dumb
Soul of cinder is just a reanimation of all the people who linked the flame. Its a shell nothing more. It says that in its gear description.
>>334788397
From a story stand point Anor Londo existing makes as much sense as Lothric existing. The game quite literally tells you Lothric wasn't there a few months ago and then BAM instantly it appeared and destroyed everything beneath it. Lothric's magical appearance is why all the pilgrims are, well... pilgrims and is why Anor Londo exists just outside the suburbs of Snowland.
>>334788543
UUUU
>>334788592
The cycle doesn't break. The age of darkness is also called the age of Man. Fitting it seems that you now rule such an age. Like dragons did for stone and gods did for fire. One day however because it is a cycle, the embers will become flames and the cycle continues.
>>334788410
there are no good or bad endings in Dark Souls
>>334788710
I mean, Hawkwood talks about how Aldrich ate actual people first, which CU did not.
Also, sure its the reanimation of the lords of cinder, but what is reanimated? Did their wills become a physical being? or perhaps their wills led the vessel of the first true lord of cinder.Fuck you Vaati you faggot, just hire me already
what is the roll of the pilgrims in this game?
>>334788639
We know that Aldrich is a Lord of Cinder, and we know that the Lords of Cinder are the ones who rekindled the fire in past ages.
Aldrich has eaten and consumed the gods of the first age. His Soul description states so. And it's also pretty obvious just by looking at him: he is a monstrous fusion of the gods from Dark Souls 1.
He has Izalith's demon body and pyromancy, has has Nito's sword and his disease spell and his drape of darkness and skeletons, he has Gwyndolin's upper torso and darkmoon miracles.
He is called "Saint of the Abyss". And the Chosen Undead fits the title: he's the one who redeemed Artorias, stepped down into the Abyss and destroyed Manus himself.
>>334788671
Everyone who linked the first flame is part of the Soul of Cinder, including Aldrich himself.
>become lord of hollows
>your army gets destroyed in 1 big aoe attack because they're weak as shit
Bravo miyazaki
>>334788932
they're cultists that praise dragons and maybe have connections to the darkwraiths
they don't actually seem to have much of an actual role though
>dragons ruled the world and were immortal (except seath)
>humans and all the other creatures lived in pure darkness below the world of the dragons
>the 4 lords from DaS1 were the 1st to find something called the 1st flame which is basically the origin of all flame/light
>they go super saiyan except the pigmy whose lord soul gains power not from light/flame but from the dark (dark souls :^) )
>seath notices and figures he can help them usurp the dragons so he can focus on becoming immortal himself
>using the dragons weakness reavealed by seath (lighting) the 3 lords (gwyn nito and the pyro bitch genocide them and burn every thing down
>after that its a great time for humanity
>except people don't die they hollow / become undead and lose their sanity/humanity
>the fire starts fading for reasons
>the pyro bitch tries to replicate the 1st flame but instead fucks up and nukes a city and creates demons
>gywn tries to defeat the demons
>loses
>he says fuck it and sacrifices himself in the kiln to prolong the age of fire for longer
>but it wont last forever
>the chosen undead (player in DaS1) is prophisized to gather the souls of the lords to gain enough power to re link the fire and extend the fire once more
Basically the fire needs to be constantly re linked by some really powerful dude all the times (lords of cinder from DaS3) or the world will plunge into the same darkness from before the dragons were genocided.
I think this is what the lore is anyways, who really cares tho the devs don't give a fuck and the series is over now.
>>334788710
It makes literally zero sense that Aldrich is the CU. Aldrich devoured MEN, he didn't just devour souls. If you read some of the descriptions and listen to characters he literally devoured entire humans, he was a cannibal to start with and started becoming a blob which was capable of swallowing gods later. Aldrich simply existed in a world that mirrored the chosen undead's world, he was a chosen undead but he wasn't the player character. It's just like Solaire, Solaire didn't belong in your world, he belonged to a different one but found himself phasing into your world at random as the flame struggled to keep reality together.
>>334788962
you realize he has fire cuz he's a lord of cinder right? they all do. I also don't like the nito theory, considering we know Aldrich ate a shit ton of men before moving onto gods.
So what is the profaned flame?
>>334786593
Literally one of the first lines in the opening.
>>334789016
>the series is over now.
>>334789012
The pilgrims don't really praise dragons, they're gathering at Lothric because they know its the center of the earth and the location of the first flame, they're not there to see dragons, they're there to see the end of the world and to see possibly see the Lord of Hollows like Yuria. They're not religious and it's really not a cult thing, they turn into those weird wooden butterflies and fly into the eclipse and that's pretty much it
>>334788962
The one crucial fact to destroy this theory.
Aldrich was locked up and forced to link the flame. The player character (in the canon ending now that DS2 is confirmed canon) does it willingly.
>>334789016
>implying age of darkness isn't good for our self insert
Didn't link the flame and usurped the flame. Dark lord ending based ending.
>if we don't get a good explanation for the serpents in the DLC I'm going to be pissed.
>>334786593
What's really gonna bake you noodle is why there are items from drangleic in lordran
>>334789279
they literally prostrate themselves in front of dragon corpses
>>334789272
it's true tho
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-interview-it-wouldnt-be-right-to-cont/1100-6432425/
how does demon souls tie into all this?
>>334789417
it doesn't outside fanservice and callbacks.
>>334789348
>Dark lord ending based ending.
Doesn't matter. Another undead will just come to usurp your ass and link the fire.
>>334789272
They are making a new mech game, then a new soulslike IP after that.
>>334789376
"Wouldn't be right" doesn't mean the game won't get another sequel. It rakes in too much money.
>>334786593
Think of things in medieval terms. People believed earth was the beginning and the end, right? What if that was actually true and there was no 'planet' but it was a plane of existence as frail as a fire, and when the fire goes out, everything gets sucked in together into nothingness all over again, like in a black hole.
Everything's being dragged to the centre again.
The Souls universe is really fucked up.
>>334788962
Shit theory senpai. Aldrich can't be the player character from Dark Souls 1, item descriptions and character dialogue even helps to dispute this like other anons are saying. Aldrich literally just existed in a time frame similar to the chosen undead like Solaire and other phantoms in DS1.
>>334789376
there's still the DLC
>>334786593
It's magic ain't gotta explain shit
>>334787253
>tfw The age of Dragons is coming back
This seemed to be the case with all those weird nervous system-looking dragons everywhere in Lothric.
>The Eclipse is also an interesting feature I'd like explained
Probably just symbolism for the dark blocking out the fire.
>>334789174
Bed of chaos fucked up type of flame
The biggest complaint I have about this game is how contrived and obtuse npc quest lines are. You can do something completely unrelated to an npc and end up finding them dead for no fucking reason. Dark Souls has suffered this since 1 and I can't understand why they need to be so stupid about it. Is it literally just supposed to be motivation to buy the guides?
>>334789363
Those aren't the pilgrims, the pilgrims are the things with turtle shells chained to their backs like Yoel which are pretty clearly not humans or undead humans.
>>334789450
There's literally no time to usurp the flame, the world is done for completely by the end of DS3 and if you choose to become a living vessel for what little that's left you become the will of the flame itself. The flame wills people to relight it but the people of Londor and Kathe in particular seems to believe that if you become the vessel of the flame that you can create a new Londor in the darkness and subjugate all of the hollows using the fire's innate will to control the undead.
>>334788461
Wouldn't reviveing the heroes weaken the flame even more? Then when returned, the flame will be back to where it started?
>>334788796
But usurping the fire is not the age of man, the age of man requires the fire to fade and everything to go dark. This doesn't happens when usurping the fire, there is still light which means the fire is alive inside you.
Now why light goes from red to white? Who knows.
>>334787992
Anon I know. But PCucks are still salty as fuck about Bloodborne they refuse to admit it.
>>334787347
They aren't all undead, but an undead's death induces further hollowing.
>>334789363
You mean the "dragon"(they aren't dragons but wyverns) corpse that's right in front of a collapsed bridge that is preventing them from continuing their journey? The real "dragon" worshipers are on the high wall of lotric where they are literally crying in front of the dead "dragons" bodies. Also, anyone else notice the black goo people can take over the body of dead wyverns?
>>334788461
>and you fight the charred corpse of a being that represents every being that has lit the first flame.
Why?
>>334789684
>taking everything literally
Does that mean there is no night time during the age of Fire?
>>334789363
those are the citizens of the Lothric praying in front of the dragon senpai and they're praying in front of the dragon/wyverns because The Kingdom of Lothric became what it was because they subjugated the dragons and became Dragon Riders. Without the Dragon's Lothric is nothing, the people of Lothric need the dragons. The Pilgrims are the turtle shelled fucks who are simply dropping dead around or inside Lothric because the city itself was teleported to the center of the earth.
Many kingdoms have risen and fallen all around Anor Londo. Gwyndolin and the Darkmemes kept it preserved throughout all these years.
>>334788461
>those that acquired the strongest souls from the flame lead humanity against the creatures that ruled over the bleak nothingness
This is wrong, the Furtive Pygmy was the progenitor of the dark soul, which is humanity. I don't really know precisely what the hell Gwyn's knights or the witches of Izalith were, though.
>>334789787
Yes let's pretend the actual ending where you go for the age of man shit doesn't go dark in less than a minute.
>>334787662
He didn't consume priscilla. He merely saw her in a dream. That is why the scythe is a miracle and not the actual scythe.
>>334789734
The same reason you fought Gwyn.
>>334789679
All undead- human, giant, monster, whatever they are, have a piece of one of the great souls in the, the dark soul. It's implied that these lords of ember immediately go out and naturally seek power when they were revived just because that's how their dark soul's work. The Lords were more than likely reanimated in a weakened state but quickly went to work finding power from thousands of undead. Farron's Watchers for sure did this during there mass purges and Aldrich for sure did this by devouring men whole.
So why do you need to marry Anri to become a lord and usurp the flame? Why does Anri have to be dead for this to happen?
>>334790000
Speaking of Gwyn, that nigga doesn't give up does he.
>>334787253
age of dark setting in, the flame is trying to get kindled cause of that. the sun would be the first to get in age of dark, makes sense for it to start getting blocked by an eclipse to start the age of dark
thas how i see it at least
>>334788387
>I don't remember exactly WHY you needed to conquer the various archstone locations.
The power of their souls was needed to pass through the barrier to get to Allant.
>>334790070
They laid down and died because they couldn't cross the bridge m8
>>334789734
You fight the charred corpse because it entered the first flame and linked the fire before you, but it never left. It's the body of a warrior and inherits the souls of everything it killed before it, more warriors. The fire can't completely return souls to itself it seems and so the vessel doesn't just become a lifeless body, it retains that which is most basic to it, the will to fight and acquire great souls.
>>334790070
they're trying to walk the bridge and they see it's fucking broken so that's where they lost hope, sat and died
Good god, invasions in Crucifixion Woods are such shit shows.
>knee deep water scattered around
>giant crabs grabbing people
>bunch of trees to juke people with
It'sfun
>>334790146
Bro, you do realize that they died there because they could go no further. Are the pilgrims inside of lothric in front of dragons? No, they're facing Lothric castle, the very center of the earth. Lothric literally poofed out if its timeline into this only remaining timeline left and destroyed everything around it, they had no way into the city from that bridge because it was crushed by Lothric itself.
>>334790070
holy fuck you're retarded lmao. they tried to get to lothric but couldn't cross the bridge because that huge ass dragon broke it.
>>334789648
I hate how because i apparently didnt go the "intended route" i missed out on every npc quest line.
One thing ds2 did well. If you missed part of the pate and creighton line, you could always to back and progress it later.
I so assume that when you choose to summon the firekeeper, in the ending she takes care of the flame so that the age of dark will be permanent and nobody can link it.
And in the usurper ending, you take the flame and rule everything.
But what's going on in the ending where you kill the firekeeper (steppin on her head like the black maiden) and then hold up the fire?
>>334790068
No kidding, it was really neat to see him in the Soul of Cinder's moves in the second phase.
>>334790070
I mean, not to bring up the dozens of other pilgrims that aren't near dragons.. but
>>334790260
>>334790174
>>334790146
>>334790146
>>334790174
they are holding their hands together though, but I accpet I may be wrong
there seems to be various dragon worshiping going along at all points throughout the game
>>334790070
Retards this is a fucking WYVERN, not a dragon
>>334790280
The dragon didn't bust the bridge, the city and the area around it busted the bridge. Lothric was pulled into being from another timeline. It seems like the timeline your in is the only one remaining at this point, all the others have gone dark or are simply ceasing to exist because the fire can't sustain them. You're in THE original timeline.
>>334789460
>They are making a new mech game
What, like a Mechwarrior mech game?
Mehhhhhhhhhhh no thanks
>>334790385
this isn't D&D
>>334790372
Those are Wyverns too feller, they belong to Lothric. The people inside of Lothric might have been religiously praisen them Wyverns because Lothric only rose to greatness through Wyvern riders but this is probably because of how desperate the people of Lothric are. The city is in the middle of a civil war. Lothric and Lorien's dad is off his fucking handle and it seems Lothric was trying to wrest the kingdom from him. Blue Knights seems to belong to Lothric whilst the Red ones belong to Oceiros.
>>334789154
The "Aldrich ate Nito" speculation is so stupid when we fucking KILLED Nito eons before that. Gwyndolin at least has the excuse of being an optional fight.
>>334790534
Mech Souls
>>334786593
Lordran + Drangleic= Lothric
>"link the fire" for the third game in a row
It's the end of the series, shouldn't linking the fire be the *alternate* ending at this point?
Is Londor related in any way to Lordran? I got the gist that Londor is Lordran overtaken by hollows and the Dark.
>>334790640
It's possible there are numerous Neato's, Gwyn's and Lord's in general. No one in the Dark Souls universe can comprehend how the First Flame works but what EVERYONE seems to agree upon is that there are multiple alternate worlds that started the second the first flame was linked by Gwyn.
>>334788987
I can see an army off hollows getting b wrecked by a tutorial boss.
>>334790741
I like it because it's the impossibility of the situation, everything is fucked either way.
You're stuck in that cycle between linking the fires and having this all happen again, or just fucking it over and letting whatever will be be. Funny thing is is that they will always try to link the fire, no matter how futile it is, no matter how shit things get every subsequent relink.
>>334790586
Are you for real?
http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Drake
Drakes/wyverns are a completely different entity from dragons in DaS. Note the lack of forelegs.
>>334790000
But Gwyn was built up from the start to be the endboss, SoC comes out of fucking nowhere.
>>334790171
Basically you're saying that every guy who wanted to rekindle the flame had to fight the amalgamation of the guys who previously rekindled the fire?
Since the LoC rekindled the fire they had to kill him. Why is he still there?
That fucker just came out of nowhere which confuses me.
>>334788987
Your army is all there is since everyone returns to a hollow once the flame completely fades and you control the will of the fire, the thing undead follow uncontrollably.
>>334790680
>>334790825
Hmm, ok maybe. Will we collect disk images that allow us to travel to the motherboard in order to link with the modem and flash the First BIOS?In that case, I'm in
>>334790847
But it's the end of the series, that's supposed to be the point where you say fuck it and go for broke. Especially in 3 it's obvious that linking the fire has accomplished absolute jack shit for the world.
>>334789890
It was the start of the age of darkness. Doesn't mean it will immediately peak.
your waifu a shit
Where is Irithyl of the Boreal Valley in this picture? Was it constructed much later on around Anor Londo?
>>334788245
Explain how it ignored it.
>>334790859
>Since the LoC rekindled the fire they had to kill him.
There has to be an entity present in order to keep the fire linked with its soul. In Dark Souls 1, it was Gwyn. In Dark Souls 3, it's the Soul of Cinder. You kill the Soul of Cinder in order to take its place as the fire's link (or whatever the fuck you want to do with it).
>People think those dragons were real
What you see is the exterior of a dragon, probably fake or mummified, controlled by dark parasites. It's all a sham. The Dark has cometh.
>>334789648
No, you're supossed to get gud and actually explore faggot.
PCucks, holy fuck.
>>334790847
Well it's the will to survive, contrary what the edgelords here say he have cero evidence of the age of man being good or desirable.
Good thing we found a way out even if is resenting everything at square one.
>>334790852
they drop dragon scales
>>334790995
Note how both times in the game you pass through one of those doors with runes on it (Catacombs to Irithyll, Consumed Kings Garden to Untended Graves), you end up somewhere really weird relative to where you just were.
This is likely due to the mishy mashy timey wimey shit that was explained earlier in the thread.
>>334788387
You need to defeat all the Archdemons to deprive the Old One of his soul sources and to incentivize him to take you on as a new Archdemon, which he tries to do.
>Hollow Lord cucks say it's a good ending where humanity become Kings
>When really it's no different from Dark Lord ending and everyone is hollowed anyways
Kaathe tricked everyone.
Again.
>>334790995
>implying Irithyl isn't just all the slums shit below the actual castle
>>334790995
My impression was that everything around the central structure had crumbled and been rebuilt numerous times over the ages, but the central structure was probably claimed and maintained by a powerful ruler trying to claim that his power descended from the gods of the first age of fire. Irithyll is the new Anor Londo, essentially.
>>334790983
In terms of narrative, it'd be silly to build up such a nihilist world only to turn around at the end and go "and then everyone was happy!!"
Fuck that, I want everything to be fucked, you're completing the last link, this may be the last game, but if we follow DS narrative then this certainly wont be the last linking of the fires. As long as there's anything left to burn, the fire will consume it. I think that's the kind of idea they are going for.
>>334790464
I find this "lothric wasn't there originally and was suddenly dropped where it needed to be" explanation interesting, and it would help a great deal to explain the completely surreal geography of the game
But can you direct me to any item descriptions or character dialogues that back it up? Admittedly I missed a lot of the optional stuff in my first playthrough so I don't know where this is coming from.
>>334791102
Because they're descendants. They're still not dragons and as such their existence doesn't carry the same weight to the world's people as that of the dragon's did.
>>334791073
don't pretend you completed a single NPC questline in DaS3 without a guide
>>334791171
I didn't say it had to be happy, just do something different other than just linking the damn fire yet again.
>>334791126
Dark age is everyone is monsters since the first flame is not there to stop the abyss, usurping the fire reset shit to before the dragons making humans back to their true form.
Being a hollow is better than a monster or suffering the fire fading.
>>334790859
They five LoC more than likely weren't the last to link the flame, but their wills exist inside him because they too helped to link the flame.
If it helps, when you get into his second phase there's a reason beyond pandering that the fight turns into a Gwyn fight, the being that is SoC is threatened and as a hivemind-like-fighting machine decides to turn over total control of its body to its strongest soul(or more than likely that strongest will to fight just forced itself to the surface because of its lust to battle), Gwyn.
This help reinforce the theory that this being is you from DaS1, DaS2, but it's also Yhorm, Aldrich, The Abyss Watchers, every undead who has ever set foot in the kiln.
>>334790847
People naturally fear change and the unknown. It's just part of human nature. The Age of Dark could be better than the world that exists now (if radically different) but humans will continue to link the fire over and over again no matter how awful things are or how much the world falls to pieces. When faced with an unknown fate and squalid but bearable conditions, humanity will choose the evil they know every single time.
It's simple human nature.
>>334789460
And likely a new BB
So what the fuck was Drangleic supposed to be? DaS 2 feels like a complete fucking nonentity in the world.
>>334791073
>Explore
I failed sieqward and anri BECAUSE i explored faggot. I went too far in the wrong direction, and it fucked me over for the quests.
>>334790680
>>334790825
I am completely down for sci-fi soulsFor the love of God, don't let it end up like Too Human
>killing most popular character
Why do they do this?
>>334791250
That's the whole point of the world though, stuck in that mad perpetual circle never letting the fire fade for fear of what will come next.
If this is the last game, for now at least, i can picture them picking up the next game in years time at the beginning of tje dark age. No point in revealing what that entails at tje end of tjis game when it could be better in a self contained game.
>>334791051
That makes sense, but it doesn't explain what's up with those Lords of Cinder.
They had to kill him, in which case they'd have taken his place. Then they had to be killed by the next guy in order to be able to rise from their graves. Then he had to be killed and after some time the SoC we fight in DaS3 came to be. But he has no abilities of the LoC, only those of Gwyn and the CU.
That sounds like a really shitty theory. What am I missing?
>>334791194
but the world's people sit around and praise them
it's completely possible that the citizenry (especially in their hollowed state) doesn't know the difference and just think they're archdragons
>>334791335
DaS2 literally has no impact on the game, it was just another Kingdom where someone rose to link the flame.
>>334791335
A tale of Kings and knight. Like how the TES games work. In the same universe but of different tales.
>>334790751
My theory was that it was the remnants / descendants of new Londo, if any survived or escaped before the flooding
Hell they were all undead anyway, so who's to say all those waterlogged corpses didn't eventually just get up and dust themselves off after you had drained the water in DaS1
>>334791335
Drangleic was another continent altogether. It's essentially a gaiden game.
>>334791076
>>334791126
Fuck off shitposters
>>334791396
Because Artorias couldn't be killed twice.
>>334791430
>but the world's people sit around and praise them
Who?
>>334791175
I'll see if I can find the item that describes Lothric's odd location, need some time- I know I read it in game though.
>>334791492
The age of dark is the one the serpents want retard.
>>334791437
I still don't understand how sitting in a god damn chair on the ass end of the world away from the kiln linked the fire, god DaS 2 made no damn sense.
>LOrdran
>DrangleIC
>LOthrIC
do you get it
>>334791252
>Dark age is everyone is monsters
No? As AotA and DaS2 shows, Dark Age is just everyone reverting to their true forms - sprites and humanity.
Hollow Lord just makes it so you aren't forcibly ejected from your body, which strong willed people could already do anyways.
WHO WAS SOUL OF CINDER
>>334791396
Priscilla isn't confirmed dead though
>>334791519
the hollows in Lothric High Wall have chairs set up just to sit there and face the wyverns
>>334791335
It's just a side story that expands on the lore in DaS and gives us a larger glimpse into the world from a different perspective. There are quite a few significant references to it in DaS3.
>>334791529
Thank you.
>>334791605
Mozart
>>334791605
could mozart still be alive?
>>334791606
But your true form is hollows, that's how everyone was when the firs flame first appeared.
The other is your humanity gone rampant and turning you into those shitty sprites.
>>334791570
Vendrick went to Lordran, fucked their shit up, and stole the Kiln or whatever. He then stuffed it into his fucking basement and made a big throne to make Undead more willing to be roasted alive for centuries to fuel the world. "Taking the throne" is really just a euphemism for being roasted alive in a big stone oven. He even built big stone doors to keep them in there so they wouldn't chicken out.
At least that's how I figure it went down.
>>334791707
>But your true form is hollows
Someone didn't play AotA or DaS2.
>Castle located at the top of the highest point of land inside a snow capped mountain range that extends as far as the eye can see in every direction
>Castle isn't covered in snow too
I shouldn't be bothered by this but I am
>>334791535
Serpents are bros, they want the best for mankind.
>>334791660
read that, it makes some sense
>>334790624
>>334786879
Yeah, you are are the Lord now beacuse the others don't want to sit on their thrones and link it, thats why you kill all of them, and then link it.
Because you need their Lord Souls or whatever.
>>334791751
>DaS2
>Relevant
>>334789802
DEPEEST
>>334786879
>So why are YOU the one linking the flame in the end?
Because you killed them.
>>334791414
>But he has no abilities of the LoC, only those of Gwyn and the CU.
Honestly this is likely to just be because it's cool as shit to fight the embodiment of the player character from DaS and then face off against Gwyn's presence within him one last time.
There's actually code in Dark Souls referencing the data for your character in Demon's Souls, so I think it's reasonable to say they've wanted you to fight "your character" for a while now.
>>334791625
Yfw the game's marketing took the final boss, scaled him down to player size, gave him a generic sword, and then paraded him around in front of the audience like that was the guy you were going to play as and that YHORM was going to be the final boss
What a fucking bait and switch
>>334791780
Are they in 3 anywhere? I still don't get what the deal is with these guys.
>>334791854
None of them have the original Lord Souls. What you're doing is basically gathering a bunch of shitty souls together to try and keep the fire going a bit longer until a REAL hero can gather all the Souls and link it for real.
>>334791707
No, your true form is a gargantuan black amorphous Shoggoth strong enough to tear Gods apart like they're made of paper mache. We never really see the "true" form of humanity but we get to see the puny incomplete versions and they're strong enough to buttfuck anybody. And those are just basic Pygmies. God knows what the fucking Chosen Undead or Unkindled would become if they went Abyss on everybody.
>>334791936
Not him but I would rather be suffering the apocalypse than being mindless humanity beast.
>>334791335
>>334791478
lordran
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Lore
this guy makes some damn good points
Making this character from a different thread because qt, but does anyone know who she's supposed to be?
>>334791751
But in das2 you are told that humanity is nothing but a lie. Humans turning undead and then hollow when the fire fades, is them returning to their true state.
>>334791916
Kaathe is alluded to by Yuria but otherwise no. Basically they're 2 primordial beings that lead the undead towards the fire or the dark for whatever their reasons may be.
>>334791707
you don't start as a hollow though
>Once upon a time, such things were bequeathed judiciously to each of the rightful lords, until Wolnir brought them to their knees, and ground their crowns to dust. Then the crowns became one, and Wolnir, the one High Lord.
They used the worst boss for lore about the worst game
>>334792012
The thing is we have no fucking idea what actually happens when humans go Dark. The only people we ever see do it are driven insane by an outside power like Manus or they're basic mindless Hollows anyway. Who knows what happens what happens to a fully sane human.
They might turn into Shoggoth but still be sane, if radically changed by the disappearance of light.
>>334792103
Either you didn't play DaS2 or you didn't understand it at all.
Aldia was referencing AotA when talking about humanity's natural state - those sprites of humanity born from the Dark Soul. Basically, it works like this:
>Gwyn harnesses the flame -> Humanity/Dark Soul are given a human body -> Flame fades -> Human Body decays (hollows) -> Human 'dies' and Humanity is released
>>334790534
From made the Armored Core series so heres hoping some more of that shit cause i miss it.
>>334792182
Because the dark sign has lost the component that induces hollowing, that being the sigil.
>>334792263
>AotA
?
>>334792317
>?
???
>>334792078
>http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Lore
Most of that theory is fucked by DaS3, Especially his shit about Ornstein. Ornstein canon fucked off after Gwyn fucked off and sought out the Nameless King in his realm.
>>334792173
>2
Did you even finish DaS?
There's a fuckton of serpents, both Kaathe and Frampt are evil and want the age of dark.
Darkstalkers are inherent fucking cunts
>>334792410
I was just referring to those 2, dickwad.
>Dark Souls
>"evil"
>Frampt
>wants the age of dark
well memed
>>334792224
So Wolnir = DaS 2 Protag?
>introduce darkness possessing snakes since the first boss
>humanity goin wild like with manus?
>nope, the lotrich wyverns also have it
>never give any lore on it
The fuck was that black stuff?
>>334792496
>well memed
>both Kaathe and Frampt appear when you don't rekindle the fire
The serpents are not your friend, you fucking mongoloid retard
>>334787314
The Multiplayer also plays part.
The flame LITERALLY revives MILLIONS of people from the dead [You] to get those niggers back, so the flame doesn't die.
>>334792506
No. DaS2 protag probably fucked off somewhere with his immortality.
>>334791457
That makes sense, I forgot about new londo
why are the souls dark?
>>334792410
there's no evil in Dark Souls
>>334792506
I thought Wolnir was Vendrick
>>334792562
Because Frampt is just the servant of whoever is Lord at the time. He just wants whatever you want, which is why he wanted the fire linked while he was friends with Gwyn.
He's basically the same as DaS3's firekeeper.
>>334791751
>>334792103
Humanity = the Dark Soul.
The Furtive Pygmy, the original human, found the Dark Souls and splintered it into pieces to give birth to a new race. That race eventually became humans and the Dark Soul continued to fragment over and over as more and more humans were born, growing and strengthening. As the flames began to fade the Dark Soul began to grow more and more powerful and the result was humans hollowing and the "curse" of the Undead. When the fire is linked the power of Dark fades and the curse of the Undead wanes until the flame begins to fade again and the Dark Soul's power begins to grow and spill from its hosts.
Undead are not the "true" form of humanity, but rather more like a sprouting plant. They're the infant stage as humanity's true form begins to shed the fabricated coil forced onto it by the light of the first flame. One of the reason Gwyn linked the fire was because he feared what humans would become if the flame faded away, that they would become wild and uncontrollable deities that would conquer the world and destroy everything that the Gods had built.
>>334792562
>The serpents are not your friend
Are you one of those retards that considers the endings as "good" and "bad" because MUH LIGHT IS GOOD AND DARK IS EVIL surface level nonsense?
>>334792667
Vendrick is long dead. Either he's still rotting in his tomb or BotC killed him.
>>334792612
I haven't done yuria of Londor's quest yet but the very fact that I hear she mentions Kaathe, last seen hanging out directly below new Londo, lends credence I think
>>334792660
then what the fuck were we fighting the whole time?
>>334792736
>ne of the reason Gwyn linked the fire was because he feared what humans would become if the flame faded away
Where the fuck is all this head canon coming from?
Is this becoming one of those lore threads where people pass off unsubstantiated theory as fact?
>>334791396
>Gravelord Greatsword at the end of the staff
>>334792736
Ah right. That makes more sense with what Aldia tells us.
>>334792813
to either revive the flame, bring about the dark age or usurp the flame
>>334792851
>no actual gravelord sword ingame
why bother, from.
why are there so many fucking slimes in this game
fuck slimes theyre annoying as shit
>>334792835
No, Kaathe tells you he feared humans and their power in Das 1.
>>334792813
Nigga Miyazaki is explicitly playing with the common conceptions of light = good & dark = bad with the Dark Souls series. How did you not pick up on this after 3 fucking games?
>>334786593
when the linked fires fades, the kingdom will be warped to Gwyns world to protect the world from the abyss. This is what happen to drangelic and any other kingdom that 'dissapear'. The lothric is in verge of dissapearing too, but the prince is still alive and he hold the fires.
>>334789016
The time of dragons is a neutral time. The age of fire is one extreme. The other is the age of darkness, which hasn't been seen.
>>334792835
Kaathe tells you in ds1.
>Lord Gwyn trembled at the dark. Clinging to his age of fire, and in dire fear of humans, and the dark lord who would one day be born among them
>>334792760
Dude nobody gets a happy ending in souls games, either an ending is straight up bad for everyone or maybe if you're lucky you get an ending that is "unclear" or has "room for interpretation"
>>334792760
Because that's inherently what they are
Literally everything was better when the lords were alive and ruling instead of fucking burning endlessly in fire inside some fucking cave while McManus rapes your ass
>>334793145
>Literally everything was better when the lords were alive and ruling
For the lords.
>>334786879
4 out of 5 Lords didn't want to do it.
>>334792813
because someone told you to
Dark Souls is nihilistic in the sense that there is no moral good or evil
>>334792173
Isn't there a statue of Kaath in the game? I've definitely fucking seen it. Might not be Kaath, but it is one of those serpents.
>>334793254
>t. Manus
What is an ashen one in the first place? undead who where unworthy of linking the flame?
If we are undead, why do we start in a grave?
Why do Anri die when we kill him/her? he/she is undead as well.
>>334793254
Is there any evidence that humans were treated poorly during the Age of Fire?
I mean of course when people started turning into zombies then shit kinda went off the rails, but it's implied that other Kingdoms like Catarina were still fine. Then there's stuff like Drangleic in DaS2 where Kingdoms like Shulva and Eleum Loyce were doing well with the curse until Vendrick fucked their shit up.
>>334788461
Nah ill tell you the story. Basically the undead manlets represent the japanese people who have to fight against people of the western world, (which all seem to be giants), and the series' themes implies that in the past the western world was glorious, with their popular movies and shit, but they've fucked up, and eventually the soul of movies went on to live in and inspire the manlets, and whilst they cannot hope to achieve equal glory, they express their inspiration by leading and dominating in games and anime, which basically are a poor man's movies. Souls series is basically trying to inspire the japanese producers, or all the manlet producers of the world who feel that hollywood is too big to challenge, the western world too established to conquer, or spread influence, and to remind these shortys that every kingdom falls eventually, and to pull these manlets into the delusion that the western world is in decline and in need of saviours. Its a call to action but at the same time a warning, that even smaller manlets will one day feel the same need to take the current manlets down.
>>334792684
Nah the serpents ultimately want the age of dragons back they just disagree on the way to do it
you know considering how souls lore says they're dragons
>>334793428
I thought Vendrick didn't have anything to do with Eleum Loyce and Brume tower.
Eleum Loyce got fucked by the chaos underneath it.
>>334793510
What? where the fuck does it say anything about them being related to dragons?
>>334793428
There isn't, that's why that guy is retarded.
Gwyn was afraid of humans, yes, but only because of the possibility of someone being born with the dark soul and the age of dark, since Anus McManus is one born from a dark soul fragment and he fucked up Oolacile good.
That's why Gwyn wanted to prolong the age of fire so much, to prevent the entire world from plunging into darkness.
>>334793480
In other words there is no need to be frustrated that you are a manlet and you should just be happy.
>>334792519
I still thing it was the abyss likr Manus as you said, for whatever reason it also possessed the drakes
I'm fairly good at these games after putting in so many hours.
I get dark souls 1, I know I have to ring the bells so I can go to anor londo and get the soul vessel so i can use the lord souls to rekindle the first flame, makes sense somewhat.
Dark souls 2 I have no fucking clue what I was doing, I didn't understand the final boss at all and I have no idea why I was to become king, there seemed to be nothing about linking flame or any shit like that, all i know is that its meant to be a long time after dark souls 1.
DS3 I don't know what it means to be unkindled / the ashen one. In fact, I don't actually know what it meant to be undead in dark souls 1, and I don't even try to figure it out anymore
>>334788341
Been playing deprived and it's fine. SL1 leaves you free to distribute points where you want, having 10 across the board isn't bad either - I've not been levelling up the magic stats, but I've still been able to meet requirements for stuff like the flame weapon enchantment.
>>334793420
Doesn't the ashen one come from a completely different land? At the beginning your PC is seen throwing themselves into a stormy abyss and then waking up in Lothric.
None of this shit makes any damn sense. In DaS1 you wake up in a cell and some dude throws you down a key to let you out, and in DaS2 you start in Things Betwixt with absolutely zero explaination to how you got there either. Can somebody redpill me on this nonsense?
>>334793145
>Literally everything was better when the lords were alive and ruling
except when the curse sets in and life becomes hell which it always does
happiness is always fleeting and the world inevitably tends towards suffering
how did that bigass stoned sword get lodged into the side of the building in the fallen giants level?
>>334793828
>happiness is always fleeting and the world inevitably tends towards suffering
And that's why proloning the fire is important, so the world wouldn't be endless suffering like in the age of dark.
>Lore about Gwyn
>Lore about Izalith
>Lore about Seath
>mfw papa Nito was completely forgotten
Why were the Abyss Watchers killing each other when you come in?
It's a Kingdom On a Kingdom On a Kingdom and so on....
>>334793882
the age of dark ends the suffering via ending the world
>>334786593
>Can someone explain how the fuck is Anor Londo in DS3?
To pander. This entire game is just pandering.
>>334793816
>stormy abyss
thats ds2. or did i miss something.
>>334793919
Papa Nito literally did nothing wrong, that's why. Same with the Rotten in DaS2. They both did absolutely NOTHING wrong.
>>334793636
>but only because of the possibility of someone being born with the dark soul
You mean every fucking human being?
I beat the boss at Anor Londo, where do I go next? just somebody give me a general direction.
>>334793816
what?
in das 3 you wake up out of a grave
>>334793919
>starting boss area is literally Nito's room including his Coffin to the left minus the center pillar that made the donut form
>Is the bottom half of Aldrich and the bottom half of the weapon he uses is the gravelord sword
>>334793934
Because they were all fucked up. The world is completely twisted and eeryone is losing their shit. There's literally hundreds of them in that chamber where you fight them, and they're all dead.
>>334793023
>>334793087
Isn't also the dlc creatures and manus an example of what becomes of humans if they don't get light, or is that something made up?
>>334794051
Down
>>334794051
go back to the water area in Irithyll
>>334793773
Kindling is basically a life force in DaS3, as seen in the Abyss Watchers and Princes fights where they become powered up after becoming kindled, and when the player character uses an ember.
Undead just means those branded with the dark sign come back to life after dying. Nothing else really to it.
>>334794008
>Papa Nito literally did nothing
Couldn't agree more
>>334793934
the red eyed one are possessed by the abys
>>334790063
Anri is trying to re-light the flame, she ain't going for that shit alive.
Also, you need to be tied to Royal blood to rule, medieval standards.
>>334793882
The age of dark isn't necessarily endless either, as told by the firekeeper after obtaining the eyes.
>>334794008
>best concept
>best design
>best covenant
>is fucking death itself so it should be pretty important
>doesn't create demons attempting to fuck with the first flame
>doesn't lock the world in a cursed perpetual cicle by rekindling the first flame
>ignored completely
Nito is best Lord and the only DaS character who LITERALLY did nothing wrong
>>334793919
Aldritch has the soul of Nito
>>334793773
Did you simply ignore all item descriptions and NPC dialog?
>>334793619
serpent rings
>>334793919
DLC
>>334794314
>t. Vaati
>>334793934
I'm more confused as to how like 100 dudes all linked the fire together
>>334793816
>At the beginning your PC is seen throwing themselves into a stormy abyss and then waking up in Lothric
What fucking game are you playing?
WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GETTING THE AGE OF SEA
It's hinted so much with church of the deep and its ties to the moon
The deep sounds bad ass and I want it. Aldrich was preparing for it by starting to devour gods
I really hope this shit is DLC
>>334794295
>his problem was being a skelleton
>>334793619
They are failed dragons, they probably were envyous of actual dragons
>>334790296
Then it's your fucking flame man.the fire keeper tells you to kill her if you have a change of heart and wish to link the fire
It's your last chance to get the worst ending.
>>334794387
They went full bro-mode, sharing the pain
What was Siegwards promise?
>>334794523
to succ
>>334794461
There is nothing wrong with being a skeleton
>>334794435
I am fucking ready for a deep sea dark souls
fucking listen to this shit
>Aldrich had visions of an age after the age of fire, one which involved a deep sea. He needed power to be able to travel the difficult path that would lead into the new age, and where he would get that power was simple. For was Aldrich not originally a cleric? And who do clerics worship, and consider above all? It is the Gods, is it not?
>>334793974
It doesn't end it juts gets fucked up and only the strong prosper like the dickwraiths. Normal people get used up or get corrupted by the abyss. Oh and everyone looks like a hollow.
>Andre is the only character who's mouth is capable of moving
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN VAATI??!?!?!
>>334794195
>>334794194
so Irithyll Dungeon is the way to go?
>>334788127
are you forgetting this game about cycle? The Dragon age 2 will happened and age of God 2.0 will followed again. Its happened unlimited times like a wheel.
However gwyn fuck up everything and destroy the cycle, so the premordial serpent manipulate the choosen one to bring the balance.
Thoughts on the fact that your character's shadow disappears when achieving 17 hollowing?
>>334794607
people get so fucked up they lose their consciousness
they get lobotomised and are functionally dead
>>334793974
No, as indicated by the DaS intro when it was the age of dark
Everything was dark, on fire and everyone was a living corpse, rotting and burning
Doesn't exactly sound like a five-star hotel
>>334793919
Do people just skip opening cutscene?
gwenevier's tits were huge
>>334794271
Just takes one strong guy that wants to link the fire to fuck up the Dark Lord.
>>334794739
17
1+7 = 8
8/2 = 4
4 lords of cinder. It's obviously a sign that the Player character is actually a transwoman.
>>334792506
i took the das2 protag to be the farron knight in the grand archives. pretty neat knowing he got so far
>>334789690
But it is better, and that's a sonyingger saying this. Bloodborne is fun at first but late game it just gets too boring to either finish or do the tedious required chalice dungeons first. Dark Souls 3 is just so much better
>>334793919
Nito just didn't care, he's completely immune to hollowing and even if you kill him, his soul will just be reborn at a later time
All that matters to him are milfanitos
>>334794784
Where was Nito in the opening?
>>334794624
Yeah I noticed that, still feels pretty cheap that they just don't bother with mouth animations on characters. Games like Half-life that are nearly 2 decades old have it for fuck's sake.
>>334789539
>tfw The age of Dragons is coming back
This seemed to be the case with all those weird nervous system-looking dragons everywhere in Lothric.
The soul of the armor of the dragon hunter kinda seem to imply these are butterflies actually
>>334794861
Lying dead, being slowly eaten by Aldrich.
Where did the first flame come from?
Or is that Miyazaki's metaphor for the Universe, and therefore unanswerable.
>>334794887
Are you high?
>>334787253
>Age of dragons
The dragons are dead dumbass. The Age after first is the Dark age (of man).
>>334792506
>>334792224
I wonder what is a crown in the grand scheme of things. In any ways, this tidbit of lore pretty much confirms that a 'crown' is pointless and unnecessary.
>'What the fuck did B team create again? Magical Crowns? Where the fuck did they get that stupid idea?'
>'Lel I guess the first true boss of the game got all the Magical Crowns or whatev. Back to interesting Dark Souls lore.'
>>334794765
>Everything was on fire
Are you retarded? All the narrator said was that dark came with fire.
>>334794271
Except it will be when the dark soul fragments start multiplying uncontrollably, aka what Gwyn was afraid of
The dark soul will literally start pissing on the fire every time it tries to light
>>334794564
But its clearly why he gets bullied
>>334794875
They are pilgrim butterflies and it is heavily implied that the pilgrim folks like Yoel hatch into them.
>>334794904
underground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylFzJ3wRgHw
It doesn't matter, in the end the abyss will spread and consume everything.
>>334790260
I'm pulling this out of my ass, but do ya think that all the pilgrims on the bridges n shit are now just cocoons for all the pilgrim butterflies we see near the end? It'd explain why they all look kinda petrified instead of just ragdolled on the ground.
So what happened to this guy? Not even so much as a mention.
>>334794978
>I'm too stupid to figure out how things work
No souls = no lords = no age of fire = age of dark
I bet the fucking dragons were assholes too
>>334795001
>The dark soul is literally the spiral nemesis
>>334794765
>Everything was dark
>on fire
hmm
>>334794875
That's the abyss
>>334794887
Just checked, there's no such thing
Question: why where many undead turning into trees like the giants?
>>334795048
You mean the deep will take over. It is already seen in a vision that after the age of fire the next is the age of deep sea.
The deep=/= the abyss
they are two different things
>>334795105
>no fire = dark
Wrong retard, watch the intro again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmEqpgg3B4
The world was unformed before fire, shrouded in mist. THEN came fire and dark along with it. It was not the age of dark before the fire because dark didn't exist either.
>>334794481
They existed before dragons, now that they're all dead they want to go back to being the big kahuna
>>334792736
>As the flames began to fade the Dark Soul began to grow more and more powerful and the result was humans hollowing and the "curse" of the Undead.
IIRC, the undead curse was an effect of Gwyn linking the fire for the first time.
So the Abyss Watchers were slowly getting corrupted by the Abyss right? That's why they were killing each other?
Okay now did they attack you because they were going mad? Because you are slightly corrupted by the Abyss?
Or perhaps they just simply don't want to link the fire for whatever reason?
>>334795125
Did you not listen to the intro?
There can't be dark without light or life without death.
Any place that wasn't on fire was dark and any place that wasn't dark was on fire
>>334795210
>Say this
>Intro clearly shows that there was just some fire hanging around
Shut the fuck up already stupid
>>334795168
people need to understand this, the age of dark is not the age of dragons, dragons lived in a world of grey nothingness without good or evil, or literally light and dark, and the age of fire created good and evil, or literal light and dark (of course light isn't inherently good and dark isn't inherently evil but generally it's seen as a bad thing)
>>334789376
You know a developers word means nothing these days if there is still money to be made, right? And Souls games are pretty successfull so I'm expecting notSouls announcement sometime this year
>>334795158
Are you people all speculating as madmen or is there actual lore and descriptions to support your thesis?
>>334795168
>I don't understand what age of fire and age of dark are
No souls = age of dark
>>334793428
Gwyn's actions cursed the race of men. He's the reason why undead exist, slowly going insane in wet dungeons.
>>334792736
>Undead are not the "true" form of humanity, but rather more like a sprouting plant
this explains why we see Hollows that turned into trees on the castle walls near the beginning of the game. this also explains why Humans can turn into other things such as Wolnir, Aldrich and a number of other Humans turned monster.
>>334795096
He fucking died decades before Dark Souls 1 and faded in history before even then.
>>334786593
It's probably been 10000 years since DS1, they decided to build around anor londo because it already had a bunch of houses and shit abandoned
>>334795193
Isn't just human going back to their original forms ?
The fire brought life to the world, before the fire there wasn't any death
In undead form you cannot die and you lose your conscience the more you hollow
>>334787314
Basically it's <insert generic fantasy story about end of days and random chosen one returning balance to the force>. But FromSoftware are too shit at writing, so they decided to leave it mostly out, and their fans have shit themselves over how amazing they think it is.
>>334795314
WATCH THE INTRO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmEqpgg3B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmEqpgg3B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmEqpgg3B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmEqpgg3B4
>In the Age of Ancients the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons.
>But then there was Fire and with fire came disparity. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark.
The Age of Dark did NOT exist BEFORE the fire. The Age of Ancients was an unformed world shrouded in mist. Eventually, the fire came and dark came WITH the fire. Then beings came from the dark that came with the fire and become lords by obtaining the souls they discovered within the fire.
Just stop already.
Is anyone NOT undead in these games?
>>334795127
The age of Dragon is coming back.
The Dark is tied to the first flame. Like the other side of the same coin. The flame is linked, the Dark recedes for a time, then the flame goes out and the Dark spreads. From the ember of the flame a new age of flame is born anew.
What is happening in DaS 3 is the catastrophic weakening of the flame, not in a usual way (which would usually create an age of Dark) but in a metaphysical way. Both the flame and the Dark are going out as the energy used for the circles is vanishing.
The dragon are coming again. Things are starting to turn into trees. This is the coming anew of the age of the dragons.
>>334795359
A part of him made it to Drangliec though.
>>334795194
They went hollow. The were sworn to the wolfblood to contain the abyss. They pretty much did their thing until they became lord of cinders. Since they were still undead they would go hollow so the watchdogs would have to put them down and let them rest. They were sealed in there after the whole area got fucked by wood curse.
The NPC thanks you for putting them down when you duel for the dragon pieces.
>>334787992
Don't worry fampai, I'm sure you'll beat the asylum demon one of these days
>>334795428
THIS
It should be blatantly evident from those wooden dragon-like things flying around near the end of the game, and the fact that the eclipse persists as you link the flame, which doesn't suddenly burst with life as it did in DaS1.
>>334786879
I'm not sure, but I think certain beings become lords merely by the fact that they possess incredible souls. So in order to rekindle the flame, you have to kill them for their souls. And then feed their souls to the fire. I think everyone knows that these lords need to die. That's why they're all hiding.
I think the system of souls is confusing, because one key point is never really addressed: That the fire creates life.(and death(disparity)) So basically, it works like this: When a new life is born, that life is granted a soul. Well where do you think the soul comes from? Thin air? No, of course not. That soul comes from the flame. The flame only has so many souls though. It hands out a few trillion souls, and it's resources are depleted. So it begins to fade.
When people die, their souls don't go back to the flame. That's the problem. They become ownerless. Getting absorbed by another lifeform. The other life form can use some magic to take ownership of the lost souls, adding their power to hiss. Now, instead of this one being having one soul, he's now strutting around with multiple souls, like a greedy faggot. Except, because he took ownership of the souls, they became one, making his own show greater.
So basically, if you survive long enough, kill enough people, and take ownership of many souls, you end up becoming super powerful. That power makes you a "lord".
Until... Some little pygmy comes along, and whacks you, steals your magnificent soul, and returns it to the flame. Now that flame can use the lord's soul as fuel to continue making new life.
At least, that's my unsubstantiated theory on the matter.
>>334795403
Dude I think he's just fucking with you at this point.
>>334795439
What is Drangliec, I always thought it was Vinheim from the first game but now theyre both refed in 3
>>334795403
If you're misinterpreting the intro this hard you might as well say
>DURR IF THE WORLD WAS UNFORMED WHY WERE THERE TREES AND DRAGONS
>>334795403
How did the lords souls get into the fire in the first place?
>>334795307
It's all backed up by items in the game, if you want a deep read
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls3JPN/comments/4d53mv/lets_talk_lore_spoilers/
yeah I know but deal with it, it is cited and backed up by items
>>334795403
>missing an opportunity to emphasize that this fog in particular was Gray and Colourless
you were slipping there From
>>334795539
Not explained
>>334790825
>Souls Rising Revengance
I can dig it
>>334795539
They may have just originated from the fire, like the beings that became lords originated from the dark.
if I beat abyss watchers can I not summon someone for crystal sage?
>>334795368
Yes, but before the first linking the fragments of the dark soul within humanity was only growing more powerful as the fire faded. Gwyn was responsible for both the "fleeting forms" (mortality) that humanity took after the first linking of the fire and the undead curse being tied to the fading of the fire. I'm not sure what humanity was like before Gwyn linked the fire, but it was different from mortal humanity in the subsequent age. Maybe it was like the abyss corruptions in Oolacile? I'm not sure.
>>334795680
You can
>Needing to summon for crystal sage
Since we know that there is a age of deep sea, do you think that will be the next game or DLC? They said they wanted to close the books on dark souls and dealing with fire, maybe the new game will deal with the deep sea?
Aldrichs soul description and the whole game dealing with the deep
>When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea. He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself.
>>334795486
>those wooden dragon-like things flying around near the end of the game
Those are pilgrim butterflys.
The turtle like pilgrims turn into them do to to much dark.
>>334795748
it's not that I need it but I'm cooping with a bud
>>334794523
To drag yorm's ass back to the fire if he got corrupted.
>>334795376
This all was started and circulated by women, or woman-like men, because women have a need to make things complex while men try to keep things simple
>>334795751
How would that even work? An underwater Souls game sounds horrible. Unless you make it like Bishock, with a kind of rapture, but then it would just be Dark Souls with an underwater theme.
>>334795539
Considering fire being plasma, it could be that what is called 'soul' is just a dense accumulation of a lot of plasma.
It's a world full of magic, so the plasma/fire being infused with magic would not be such a ludicrous idea.
>>334794486
No, you betray her, steal the flame, and covet it like Gollum does the ring, but you can't do anything with it like in the Usurper ending because you aren't strong enough.
>>334795763
Is there actually evidence of this? Dragonslayer Armour's soul states it's controlled by the pilgrim butterfly but I don't think it's explicitly stated what a pilgrim butterfly is.
>>334795895
>Considering fire being plasma, it could be that what is called 'soul' is just a dense accumulation of a lot of plasma.
This could be an explanation for why an Unkindled Ash is a vessel for souls.
>>334795514
All life but humans.
Humans can live without it in their true hollow looking state. But they can't prosper without the fist flame.
>>334795883
Why would it have to be underwater? It just has to deal with deep sea themes.
It's not like during the age of fire everything was on fire.
Or the age of dark were everything is literally pitch black.
>>334795909
it's a pretty safe assumption that they're related at least.
>>334787314
>I havent played the games , why dont I get it !
>>334795751
I really want a giant creature dungeon and an underwater one
they're 100% compatible too
>>334795895
It's not explicitly stated, but I presume that souls are just metaphysical manifestations of the flame ( which is also why the flame has consciousness and can resurrect beings )
As for the Dark Soul, maybe the fire wasn't too strong yet, darkness seeped over a bit and infested one of the souls
>>334796062
Oh so it's just Dark Souls then. Great.
>>334795883
a ring that lets you walk and breathe on the bottom of the sea
>>334796165
Seeing as the beings that became Lords originated from the dark according to DaS's intro, it could be that the Dark Soul is just a condensed form of whatever that is.
>>334789875
There were four, Gwyns, Witches, Nitos, and the Pygmies. All did their nonsense and pygmy fucked off
>>334796062
I wonder if the age of Deep would be a new a age of Ancient. >>334795428
>>334796190
Imagine boat sailing to different islands as zones instead. Or getting swallowed up and fighting in a huge ass sea monster.
I am sure they would change it up, but I assume they will just throw it in dlc instead.
>>334796234
The lords were originally human, they only became lords because of the powerful souls they amassed
Those with lesser souls took on a regular human form
Also they already existed before the fire, which is why it says that they "came from the dark"
When fire came, they came from the dark to investigate and found power within.
Who is unkindled then? Its not hollow but clearly not regular human
>>334796308
Well I mean the item specifically mentions age of deep sea so I am not sure. The deep magic is much different and has more of a lovecraft twist on it by driving everyone who comes in contact with it insane.
>>334796156
>>334795751
>a souls game themed like the crew of the Flying dutchman from pirates movies or Dionysus level of Bioshock 2 with the horror of bloodborne
>>334796439
>Also they already existed before the fire, which is why it says that they "came from the dark"
Dark didn't come before fire. Watch the intro.
>But then there was Fire and with fire came disparity. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark.
This clearly states that /with/ fire, light and dark came.
>>334796460
An Undead unfit to link the flame, but still strong enough to gather enough souls to try. Basically just a weaker version of the Chosen Undead in the first game.
>>334793428
No. Humans did really well in the Age of Fire, there's tons of kingdoms and everything. People seem to think because Kaath called the age of dark the age of man that it will just be humans running things rather than the Lords. Why people still believe the serpent is telling the whole truth is beyond me. Oolacile shows us what happens when the dark soul gets free reign; everything is fucked up, The Age of Dark will be the age of humanity, but it won't be humanity as we know it, and chances are it won't be good
Someone explain the firelink shrine bullshit? I keep hearing about 3 versions of firelink but I have no idea what they mean. I know there was a firelink in DaS1 and there's this one in DaS3. but what does it MEAN???
Also, what is that black stuff that sprouts out of random undead that fucking hits for TANKS? Look like a weird snake beast when it comes out of 'em
>>334796571
Why would they be chosen to kindle the flame then ?
The end goal of killing the lords was to be strong enough to link the fire yourself
Why must it be an unkindled instead of a regular undead ?
>>334794387
I thought it was the opposite, one dude splitting his soul to fuck shit up more efficiently
>>334796057
I don't think so. I think humanity is just the dark version of a soul. And the dark soul comes from the flame, just like the others.
The problem arises when beings of dark, try to take on souls of light. The light, fiery souls erode the man's humanity. Which is the source of hollowing. When humanity is lost, only the fiery souls remain. Hence why the human is still animated, although they've lost their senses. If you kill the human without humanity, then the fiery souls they were carrying finally leave the vessel. And that's when the human finally dies.
This is why humans can lose all of their souls, and remain alive. So long as they have a shred of humanity left in them, they can get by. But as soon as humanity leaves them, it's over.
>>334796653
>Why would they be chosen to kindle the flame then ?
He isn't chosen, he's just yet another unkindled ash that's going to make an attempt.
>Why must it be an unkindled instead of a regular undead ?
The unkindled ash is a more suitable vessel for souls for whatever reason. It's distinct from a standard undead somehow.
How does Dark Souls 2 tie into all of this?
Correct me if im wrong but didnt the chosen undead finally break the curse in dark souls 2 dlc?
i always thought that lothric was just lordran in the future. Anor londo is anor londo.
the swamp is the forbidden woods due to the dead mushrooms
catacombs are across from izalith in ds1 and in ds3 the catacombs link to the lava section
>>334796672
That contradicts the fact that anyone could become part of the legion if they were worthy enough
isn't the crestfallen warrior a runaway legion memeber too ?
>>334786593
officially, the world is on the verge of apocalypse due to too much linking and due to the lords not doing their job so everything converges closely and lands are connected randomly
unofficially, fan pandering
>age of the deep
>Great Ones just start phasing into the DaS universe because they got sick of seeing silly hats.
Talk about throwing a wrench into the cycle.
>>334796545
Oh fuck it's you again.
Let me explain why you are completely misunderstanding everything.
The narrator is talking about the metaphysical manifestations of dark and light, as they are both conscious on some level, as already established.
Darkness existed beforehand, but it was not before ( through unexplained sequence of events ) dark and light became conscious and took on metaphysical manifestations.
I'm saying that humans existed in the dark caves before this happened, as to not get murdered by fucking dragons, but after dark and light took on their manifestations, the beings came to investigate what the fuck was going on and found souls and you know how it went from there.
>>334794387
From let western devs do their netcode in that cycle
>>334795532
Drangliec is just another kingdom in the cycle. Someone linked the fire and age of fire started again anew. Venderic sort and obtained the Souls of Lords and built the kingdom of Drangliec. Then Nashandra showed up, followed by the curse of hollows as the fire began to fade, and Venderic hid the Lord Souls and ran off to hide from his spooky wife
>>334796650
PLay the game. There is 3 versions of firelink in ds3.
>>334796724
>Why would they be chosen to kindle the flame then ?
He isn't chosen, he's just yet another unkindled ash that's going to make an attempt.
Yeah but again something doesn't add up, the unkindled were thrown away because their souls were way too shitty to link the flame
Doesn't that imply that litterally anybody would be a better fit for the job ? To me it would only make sense if the only job the unkindled had was to just bring back the Lodrs of cinders so that THEY can link it with their worthy souls
>>334796650
There is 3 versions, starting area/firelink shrine which is distorted in time and somewhat in the "future", the unmarked grave firelink shrine which is in the past where Ludleth is from, him and the firekeeper betrayed the flame and did the bad ending.
And then there is the Kiln of flame which is the last area which has a destroyed Fireshrine and lothric castle
Anyone else annoyed at how easy it is to miss or fuck up side quests? Feel like you pretty much have to use a guide if you don't want to mess them up. Anri is dead, no idea what happened to Horace, never seen Onion guy outside of where you initially find him, Greirat I assume died since he hasn't come back after sending him off to Irithyll, that one lady that you can help in her world hasn't appeared again after helping her out at the bridge to that city in the boreal valley, that sorcery guy is dead and whoever is supposed to show up never appeared and I never saw Patches.
>>334796851
>Game clearly states everlasting dragons were the only beings existing among the gray crags and archtrees of the unformed world shrouded in mist
>Nuh uh but they existed too even though the narrator says otherwise
cool headcanon where can I sub
>>334796906
>the unkindled were thrown away because their souls were way too shitty to link the flame
Source?
>>334796990
yeah, weakest part of the game for me
>>334796990
yeah, it's extreme this game. it involves a lot of back tracking to certain areas and doing things for multiple characters in a certain order
>>334797006
>Game clearly states
>as stated by me
The narrator says that there are gray crags, huge trees and everlasting dragons, not that dragons were the only beings that existed, you fucking mong.
>>334796851
>The narrator is talking about the metaphysical manifestations of dark and light
Whose ass did you pull this out of because it wasn't Miyazaki's.
>>334792092
huh, following that guide i accidentally made Joosten.
i did up cheeks and then stopped because she looked good enough by then but then i noticed she looked familiar.
>>334797178
Play DaS3
Ok so what made Manus' humanity go wild?
They imply that it had something to do with love, Manus loved someone (Dusk maybe?) but something happened and his humanity fucked up.
Pursuers, which was the dark magic made from Manus' soul in DS1 says that it was attracted to its target by feelings of love or envy, or maybe both.
So basically Manus' got cucked and he couldn't handle it so his humanity went wild and destroyed Oolacile?
>>334797212
looks nothing like her. delete your joosten folder you need a brake
>>334797243
>Can't even cite the line of dialogue or imagery
lmao
>>334797212
Get your eyes checked, that looks nothing like her. Not ugly enough.
>>334788589
wait the abyss is in the game. i know the real firelink shrine is in the abyss but thats it. didn't it get destroyed after manus went bye bye.
also why is humanity not a thing anymore wtf
>>334786593
wtf happened to the painted world did they fucking take the painting to paris. the crow like bird monsters in game are looking for it thats all i know
>>334797287
It's fucking lore, you moron
The fire is going full WASDADAASDASDAASDA so it's resurrecting beings with souls eligible for rekindling the fire, out of sheer desperation.
Through this we can establish that the fire is conscious on some level and as the game theme is dealing with equals and opposites, we can assume that the dark is conscious on some level as well, as both light and dark are fighting to rule the world.
>>334796057
>true hollow looking state.
remember to delete yoel posters
ignore yoel posters
do not give (you)'s to the followers of the darkstalker
>>334788589
No. Abyss watchers are a legion undead. They go hollow and the others try and put them down.
>>334797396
ok so it was from your own ass
thanks
>>334797313
Wolnir was in the Abyss to. Plus the Pyromancies you get from his Pyromancy Tome are abyss related
>>334797212
You didn't make a horse at all
>>334797453
>I have no argument and I must shitpost
Ok
>>334794564
righto mr skeltal
>>334786715
So is this the ruins of Lordran? The architecture looks familiar but I can't say for sure.
>>334793636
Manus was the origin of humanity, the person who held most of the dark soul nad whose humanity had gone rampant upon the discovery of his coffin. This literally never happened ever again at any point throughout history, and in fact that happened during the age of fire. Who's to say that would happen again during an age of dark? Perhaps during an age of dark the same kind of thing would happen with one of the lord souls.
An age of dark is literally an age of humanity as far as every piece of lore is concerned, and it's never happened before. I have no clue why everybody always assumes it's a bad thing, the only thing we know is that it's bad for the gods. The abyss has nothing to do with the age of dark, it's just the dark soul gone rampant, converting humans to humanity.
>>334786593
Dark Souls Boardgame Kickstarter, Today 8pm GMT!
>>334797541
Why would I try to argue against headcanon, my friend?
A decided truth without evidence has no evidence against its perceived truthfulness by nature.
>>334797543
>stuck with the flu
>can't drink milk until it passes
I miss milk
So with all the time/world shifting going on, does that mean that the Iron Keep in DaS2 could be above the poison swamp?
>>334797551
>Manus was the origin of humanity
No, Manus was born from the fragment of the dark soul, held originally by the furtive pygmy.
>>334796739
for himself, he had to wear the crown or something keep from Hollowing.
>>334797595
If you haven't played Dark Souls 3, why are you trying to argue
Your posts have no degree of validity
>>334797560
http://steamforged.com/dark-souls-kickstarter/
>>334797396
>According to the intro, when the First Flame begins to go out again, the previous Lord(s) of Cinder will rise from their graves when the bell (assumed to be the Bell(s) of Awakening) is rung.
Woopsies!
>>334797212
im looking at the image and realized that its not as long looking compared to when i was doing it ingame, oh well. just thought it was similar. thanks for not being complete and utter faggots towards me though.
>>334788393
>Theres a theory Aldrich, Devourer of gods is the Player character from DS1
Comic confirms him as a bald cleric from Ishra who previously journeyed with that lands champion Fira in an attempt to link the fire.
>>334797551
there's also nothing to indicate that the Age of Dark is a good thing. The only people that propagate the pro age of dark stance are Kaathe and people that follow his teachings. There's nothing to indicate that Kaathe is giving the player the full low down on the age of dark, especially since Marvelous Chester tells us that the Oolacile got fucked over hard by listening to one of the Serpents
>>334792660
>Aldrich I made a church so I can eat people and fap as they die as I slowly eat them alive.
>not evil
>Sulyvahn I will fuck up a nice god and his sister, fuck with my people, enable and encourage Aldrich's depravity, give my knights rings that drive them insane, do the same to the nice dancer girl exile her on top of that and try to subvert every kingdom under the sun.
>not evil
Nigger fuck you.
>>334797683
if anything, since it was a sinking castle it should be sunken deep underground. a Castle of Lava and stone inside a huge cave would be neat.
>>334792238
Aldritch is what happens
>>334797937
Church of the Deep, not even once
The intro states that when the link of fire is threatened, the bell tolls and unearths the lords of cinder from their graves.
Could this mean that the player character, the Unkindled Ash, is also some form of Lord of Cinder? It seems that ember form is also referred to as "Lord of Cinder form", and the only other beings we see in an ember state are the 4 lords and the soul of cinder.
>>334788962
>>334788393
That theory is completely wrong.
Read up on https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls3JPN/comments/4d53mv/lets_talk_lore_spoilers/
it explains where he came from, his past, what he is doing in andor londo and the future he sees with the age of deep sea.
Although the part about pontiff feeding him gods is correct
All backed up with item lore
>>334797823
>Lords rising from the grave without any souls
Guess where the souls come from
Whoopsies
Also guess who also woke up in a lord's grave, but isn't a lordyou, since you haven't played the game
Whoopsies
Guess why you even have to kill the Lords of Cinder
Whoopsies
Just pulling intro quotes from the internet doesn't mean you've played the game
>>334794148
>Walk into the fog gate
>All of them untouched and not corrupted by the abyss
>Fight everybody at once
Jesus Christ
>>334797932
>>334797932
>Finally get her set
>She was working directly under Kaathe
Man fuck the snake.
>>334791605
>Wizard of Oz
>zard Oz
>Zardoz
DO YOU GET IT NOW, AUDIENCE?
>>334797937
that isn't Dark Souls
>>334798108
Making shit up on the spot doesn't make you correct, either. You've just completely pulled this "fire is conscious" shit straight from your own ass and the only possible evidence you had fell apart when it turned out it wasn't the fire awakening them, but the bell.
>Also guess who also woke up in a lord's grave, but isn't a lord
See >>334798090
There isn't enough information to generate this notion of a conscious fire. It's a complete asspull of an explanation no more of a confirmation than "god did it lmao".
>>334787314
>>334787471
>>334787561
>>334788461
>>334795376
>>334796112
>there are still people who pretend dark souls has lore
Nice meme my dudes.
>>334794715
>the plot of dark souls 3 is aiding bioware in the development of dragon age 2
fuck that's some deep lore
>>334797702
Manus' own soul in Dark Souls 1 describes that it was a human being whose humanity had gone rampant, causing him to become the father of the abyss. It never states it was the furtive pygmy but it's understandable to assume that.
>>334797932
But we have proof that the age of light isn't good either. We just can't know - all I'm saying is that people say it's one way or the other, while mixing up the facts of what happened. There's quite a bit that can be speculated in both directions regarding the age of dark, which rarely happens. After all assuming Kaathe is even a little bit correct (which he is in some ways, because he talks about how the humans have a different kind of soul amongst shit I can't remember), means that Frampt and Gwynevere's illusion weren't telling you whole truths as well.
>>334798239
The flame literally resurrected their souls, so they would reawaken to fuel the fire, the lords went all "fuck that shit" and left, so the flame resurrected you to go fuck up the lords, get back the souls and fuel the fire
It's this fucking simple, you imbecile
You're fucking stupider than Vaati
>>334796851
>I'm saying that humans existed in the dark caves before this happened, as to not get murdered by fucking dragons,
It never stated in the game. We know they have some society, and dragon covenant item says that people was worshipping and serving dragons and have chance to become dragons themselfs. Intro with crawling people is metaphor
>>334798197
Do you even read item descriptions?
I can back all that shit up.
>>334798404
>But we have proof that the age of light isn't good either.
So all the kingdoms are just illusions now? Everything prosper in the age of fire until it tarts to fade.
>>334798572
>Intro with crawling people is metaphor
Now this is an asspull, the intro was literal. The Lords fought the dragons and this is stated by a fuckton of items.
>>334798601
He didn't make the church to eat people, the church was made to combat the deep
he just liked to eat as well and share his eating of humans with other people
>>334798693
Hey, I'm the guy that other guy responded to, here to shit on you again
Lords were humans with lord souls obtained from the fire
Pre-soul humans worshipped dragons, after getting souls and realizing they no longer have to be cucked by dragons, they decided to fuck their shit up
Itt: people stuggle with eastern story telling where everything is symbolic and doesnt have to make sense
good thing we are on a chinese imageboard
>>334798461
>The flame literally resurrected their souls, so they would reawaken to fuel the fire, the lords went all "fuck that shit" and left, so the flame resurrected you to go fuck up the lords, get back the souls and fuel the fire
Where's your evidence that muh flame knew to do this? You can't just keep restating something without supporting evidence until it's suddenly lore fact. You've found a hole in the lore and you've just inserted this conscious flame notion without giving any sort of reason why it's true other than not knowing what else it could be. Hell, we don't even know why their bodies are in graves rather than evaporated like every boss we've killed in the games, or why they're immediately embered upon awakening (note that they aren't even embered in their battles until phase 2). Prince Lothric and his brother (also embered, though Lothric may transfer this to him when he "awakens" him for phase 2) weren't even dead as far as we know. All we know is that the bells have some sort of capacity to awaken them, but we're not clear on the mechanics behind this. Conscious flame is an explanation but not one with a foundation explaining it.
>>334786879
Princes were supposed to do it, but refused. And now the world is fucked because you are unfit to even be cinder.
>>334798884
As well, the intro states that "Only in truth will the lords abandon their thrones, and the Unkindled will rise". This "truth" may be the mechanism behind not only the lords refusing their thrones, but also the player character awakening within his grave, though it's obviously extremely vague.
>>334786593
Why did only Gwyn's palace survive?
What happened to the rest of Anor Londo?
>>334798612
We never at any point in the series come in contact with a kingdom that prospers. In every game every kingdom we've seen has gone to shit, and this rarely has anything to do with the fires fading. It just makes the places we go through even shittier. By the time we arrive at them in each game the lords have almost always abandoned them, mainly because of the fire, but then we acquire evidence things were never that great in the first place. The cycle brings ruination to already decrepit civilizations. We can only speculate on other nations, because we only learn of their settings, not of what's actually going on in them.
We still don't know what would happen in an age of dark, but like I said, in an age of light a near-apocalypse situation happens every time. As I stated earlier, for all we know in an age of dark the roles would be turned around, and the humans would rule as gods amongst what were once their own deities.
>>334798776
That's the "grand narrative" people were fed so they would willingly sacrifice themselves to him.
>>334787468
so the flame is alive in itslef? is fking fire how has a will?
>>334798601
I'm not saying those things didn't happen in the universe, but they're irrelevant to what happens in the game
once the world gets to that point, good and evil cease to exist and it descends into meaningless brutality and survival
>>334797547
Yes. Lordran was built around the Kiln to begin with.
yfw Farron Keep is Oolacile
>>334798884
>Where's your evidence that muh flame knew to do this
Because Lords that died millenia ago wouldn't suddenly reappear and wake up
Also in DaS3 the flame isn't simply dying, it's got some sort of turbo aids, which also affects the darkness, causing everything to collapse in itself.
Also, that's why there are 3 different firelink shrines in DaS3, because the "timey wimey wibbly wobbly" mechanic is an actual thing and the flame is literally tearing through time to bring back lords with powerful enough souls to counter the turbo aids
>we don't even know why their bodies are in graves rather than evaporated like every boss we've killed in the games
Yes we do
It's because they don't actually "die" per-se
Their souls simply resurrect at a later date (i.e Nito coming back as the Rotten and later appearing on Aldrich's mantle, presumably killed by her )
The lords had already been set into position by the flame, the bells play some part in it, sure, but the light and dark orchestrate the whole play
And when your actors disobey you, you have to deal with it, which is where the player character comes in
>>334799143
It's just his headcanon anon.
>>334799113
Well Darkroot Garden finally collapsed and became a swamp.
>>334795096
His daughter is a merchant
>>334799251
>Because Lords that died millenia ago wouldn't suddenly reappear and wake up
The bell is stated to have done this. How do you know the fire acted?
The rest of your post just presupposes this, so without this part being answered the rest is irrelevant. We do not have the information necessary to understand the mechanics behind the bell unearthing the lords from their graves, or why they were in graves to begin with. Injecting shit and passing it off as fact is Vaati's game.
>>334799362
Is shrine maiden part manus?
>>334795751
Honestly, I just saw that as a little easter egg nod to Bloodborne. Not any confirmation that they exist in the same universe, that would be retarded, but just a nice little acknowledgment.
>>334795096
chaos chick is a spawn from him
>>334789283
Which DS2 ending is cannon?
>>334788446
>he doesn't know about the other secret ending
>>334799518
Sitting on the throne was the only end when it first launched. What do you think?
>>334797313
Nigga what do you think those black monsters and birds are from
>>334799429
No, Karla.
>>334799364
>The bell is stated to have done this. How do you know the fire acted?
Because souls came from the flame, they are literally manifestations of the flame's will
Lords can not exist without the flame, how or why the bells wake up the lords is not said.
Although at this point, might I state something that sounds similar.
Killer7
Now this is all my personal interpretation and assumption, so you shouldn't hold this true in any regard.
What if light and dark are simply at an endless war (manifested by a game of chess in Killer7 ) and we are simply their chess pieces, whereas the bells are their hands/influence.
>>334799304
Ash lake/ blighttowm become the hot lake under the reconstructed catacombs
>>334798693
>The Lords fought the dragons
Of course. But this was some kind of revolution. Dragons where ruling people not randomly eating(i dont think they need food at all)
>>334799637
>they are literally manifestations of the flame's will
Again, you're attempting to support the notion of the flame's consciousness by presupposing its consciousness. You can not just say "Because the flame did this and that thing with an unexplained cause so it did it".
>Now this is all my personal interpretation and assumption, so you shouldn't hold this true in any regard.
Like everything else you've said.
Your notion of the flame being alive is interesting anon, and I hope we get some more insight into the mechanics behind this stuff with the DLC. But passing it off as fact at this point in time is nothing short of moronic.
>>334799518
None of them because DS2 was retconned out of the canon.
The shard of Manus theory was always dumb. Manus is just the source of the dark soul, humanity. All the shards of the dark soul is just humanity.
>>334799639
Ash Lake/Demon Ruins*
ftfy
>>334799742
>tfw literally said everything vendrick did and found out was wrong and dumb in one sentence in das3
>>334799703
I don't think it's said anywhere that the dragons were ruling anybody, just that they "held dominion over the land and sea". If other entities did exist before the fire, they may have just existed in seclusion like a groudhog or something.
>>334790330
and the gwynn-esque music blending in with the song
Why was the only character with half a brain missing from this game?
>>334799793
That's underneath it.
The tri-area collapsed into one area.
Ash lake hole is past the bosses room.
The reason you see those cursed lizards and rats is from Blighttowm dropping.
>>334799880
Yeah I miss Lautrec too.
>>334799834
The Intro says "from the dark they came and found the Lord's of Cinder"
Seems like they just go up became Lord's went to the surface and took over.
>>334799884
slimes from the depths too
>>334799587
DLC ending is the true ending.
>>334799832
sauce this shit
>>334796906
Pure speculation on my part, but I feel like unkindled are artificial life forms. They are humans without any soul at all, created for the sole purpose of helping the first flame. That's why the dark sigil hollows you out, it gives you a humanity of your own, and you become human, rather than an empty vessel. Just my speculation though.
>>334799940
The "from the dark" part makes it a bit unclear when it's preceded by a statement that light and dark came /with/ the flame. There doesn't seem to be much else apart from the intro supporting either notion that the eventual lords existed before the flame or originated from the darkness that came with the manifestation of the flame.
Either way this still doesn't answer whether or not the dragons were aware of or even cared about the Lords until they started getting fucked up by them.
>>334800018
It's an armor piece or something I can't remember the name but it was a DaS2 reoccuring item
>>334799738
>Again, you're attempting to support the notion of the flame's consciousness by presupposing its consciousness.
No, I'm stating what is learned in the intro in DaS1
Humans found souls in the fire, souls can be used to rekindle the fire, there is no way that souls are not manifestations of the fire in a pure, concentrated form.
Same way how souls can be fragmented and handed out, who's to say that he fire can't fragment its being and form souls out of them.
>Like everything else you've said
And you're saying I sound like Vaati
>>334800035
Yoel states that he uses his power to draw out your true strength. This in turn creates the sigil, which is presumably the hole through which he's drawing out your true strength. This implies that it existed to begin with, rather than implanted by the sigil, but doesn't explain why you wouldn't be hollowing without the sigil to begin with, unless the sigil used to be a component of the dark sign that somehow disappeared or was removed from it.
Or maybe the unkindled ash is an undead with a dark sign that's missing the hollowing component from the outset.
>>334789376
>implying game developers not known for extreme artsy stuff instead of selling games saying "were done with X because we wanna do something new" wont return to the IP when theyre in trouble
>>334788461
So then whats the plot of Dark Souls 2?
>>334797268
Probably oolacilians messing around with him and torturing him. They revived him cause kaathe is an epic ruse meister, and they stole his pendant from him. I assume they wanted to learn the secrets of dark magic, and they succeeded, but not without unleashing the abyss. >>334797547
It's not clear and doesn't really matter at this point. It's indicating that the world is so burnt out that it's eroding, the original kiln is deep, deep underground, but here it's out in the open because the land is literally burnt away.
>>334800074
>there is no way that souls are not manifestations of the fire in a pure, concentrated form.
Sure, but this doesn't lead to the conclusion that the fire is somehow conscious due to this. We can just presume that souls originated from it.
As well, if we take the idea that the eventual Lords existed prior to the fire's manifestation, then they were conscious beforehand. This means that a soul is not necessitated for consciousness, and does not necessarily contain its own.
None of this demonstrates a conscious fire.
>>334800073
Shield of Want?
All it says is the same thing that was said in DS2. That Vendrick fucked up and wasn't the true monarch.
>>334797551
It's presumably a bad thing because the betrayal ending shows you very clearly what a dark age is like. It's literal darkness, no light, no heat. It's an end to the world, pure and simple. The true age of dark happens in the usurpation ending, where the very nature of the first flame changes to be a dark flame.
>>334800329
>if we take the idea that the eventual Lords existed prior to the fire's manifestation
Except they didn't
Lord souls originated from the fire, hollow humans found lord souls, became lords
Rest became regular humans with lesser souls
>>334798404
>But we have proof that the age of light isn't good either.
No. What we have proof is that the cycle isn't good and that's not the natural order of things. What the people of Londor are after isn't good either since it's more Abyss shenanigans.
Aldia got this right by saying that the situation is fucked and a solution had to be found that went beyond the cycle. Not light, not the dark that exists now which is simply the abyss but something else(and it's not the stone dragons)
>>334800407
>Except they didn't
I think you read that wrong, "eventual Lords" refers to Gwyn and his posse before discovering the fire, not the souls or the gang as Lords.
>hollow humans found lord souls
We don't have evidence of what manner of beings they were beforehand.
>>334800190
Hollowing is a process that only humans undergo, so maybe the idea is that he makes you human, draws your your lost humanity.
>>334800621
>Hollowing is a process that only humans undergo
Wrong. Gwyn went hollow after he burned his own ass.
>>334800575
Londor breaks the cycle by changing the nature of the flame, as can be seen by the fact that the sun is now white, like a humanity. They strive to strengthen the flame by strengthening the dark. It's a juxtaposition, dark flame, but it's like they're fucking with the fundamental laws of the universe, and this is the only ending that doesn't maintain the cycle. The age of dark will spawn a new age of fire.
>>334800596
>Gwyn and his posse before discovering the fire
They didn't exist before the fire
They literally got their souls from fire, them not discovering the fire before getting their souls is literally impossible
>We don't have evidence of what manner of being they were beforehand
Yes we do, as through item lore it is stated that humans worshipped the dragons, probably because at that time dragons were the most powerful beings alive
After they got souls, though, they became more powerful than the dragons and fucked them up
>>334800621
No, anything with a soul can hollow
Hollowing is literally losing so much of your soul that you become a mindless being acting on pure impulse of violence
>>334799880
Chilling with he who went beyond death.
>>334800680
Gwyn does not have that disgusting growth on his chest does he? People assume he's hollow cause he looks ragged not that's not really said outright anywhere. For all you know he's very aware and conscious but just doesn't care or want to talk with you.
>>334800621
The description for the Darksign in DaS3 states:
"Carriers of the Darksign are reborn after death, and eventually lose their minds, turn Hollow."
The player character already has the darksign before the dark sigil is introduced (the description of which says it resembles the sign), so it appears that any being bearing the brand is susceptible to hollowing but for whatever reason the player character does not until the sigil is introduced.
There may also be something in the fact that you need to hollow further in order to acquire more sigils.
>>334800826
>Gwyn does not have that disgusting growth on his chest does he
He probably does, but he's wearing robes so we can't see
>>334800826
>Gwyn does not have that disgusting growth on his chest does he?
He's wearing armor, how can we tell?
>>334800759
You really trust the fucking snake cultists? It's just another cycle and that's the problem.
The natural order was already borked when Gwyn did it with the linking.
>>334800812
Hollows are specific things, that is humans with the growth on their chest. There's symbolic hollowing, sure, but literal hollowing, as can be seen by how yoel and yuria talk, is only ever active when you have that growth.
>>334800759
>changing the nature of the flame
They don't change shit they just take it and fuck off until someone kills you and links the fire.
>>334800812
>They didn't exist before the fire
I must have you confused with another poster then. I wasn't stating that they did exist prior to it, just that if they did then it doesn't support that whole conscious fire dumbassery.
>They literally got their souls from fire
The intro states "then from the dark, They came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame." This seems to support the notion that either they came from some dark that existed before the fire (though prior to this it's stated the dark comes /with/ the fire), or they came from the dark that came with the fire. Nowhere in this does it say they were imbued with souls by the fire before discovering the Lord Souls within the fire. This means that whatever sorts of beings they were before becoming lords didn't necessarily require souls to exist.
>Yes we do, as through item lore it is stated that humans worshipped the dragons, probably because at that time dragons were the most powerful beings alive
Do you have the description for this? I'm aware that they worshipped the dragons AFTER the age of the ancients, but I don't think we have anything referring to what went on during it apart from the intro.
>>334800976
And if you look at the intro of DaS1, humans are literally dried beef jerky like hollows
>people trusting waifu snatching, face stabing, snake fuckers.
Only /v/ can be this stupid.
>>334801128
According to the intro and item description, only the undead humans branded with the darksign go hollow.
>>334799908
The original ganksquad
>>334801101
>This seems to support the notion that either they came from some dark that existed before the fire
They did in their hollow human state, as did everyone else, but they didn't become lords or get their names before obtaining the souls.
Everyone before souls was a beef jerky human.
>Do you have the description for this
Every item in the dragon covenant talks about the dragon apostles
The dragon covenant existed before the age of fire and after all the dragons were killed it died off as the only people who seem to know about the stone dragon are you and Domnhall of Zena
>>334801293
And the darksign is cured when you amass humanity
And bingo, you guessed it, humanity was born from the dark, which came with the light
