>Nostalrius amasses a player base close to a fifth of the current retail player base
>Meanwhile retail continues to lose subscribers
>They could set up legacy servers and let people subscribe to play vanilla at a fraction of the current sub price
>No more than 5 bucks or something cheap
>Sell a vanilla standalone license for a couple bucks too
>Generate a shit ton of revenue off an old product
>This somehow doesn't make business sense to Blizzard
I didn't even play on Nostalrius, but it's clear there's a demand for Vanilla WoW. I'm currently subbed to retail and enjoy the game (inb4 you shit talk me for this) and have no intention of ever playing vanilla wow, but even I can see it would be a good thing.
Who the fuck is running things over there? I thought Activision was all about making money, I mean for a bunch of jews getting the opportunity to sell you the same thing twice seems like something they would never pass up.
>>334411231
>>Nostalrius amasses a player base close to a fifth of the current retail player base
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Nostfags are literally more delusional than blizzdrones
>>334411368
You think there's that many people currently playing WoW? There's a reason they aren't reporting subscriber counts anymore. You can see the servers are getting more and more empty.
>>334411231
>be a fan of a rolercoaster for 10 years
>they keep changing it
>you get nostalgic for the first version they had of the rolercoaster.
>"hey manager, any chance I can ride the first iteration of the rolercoaster?"
>"nah man, this is the shit. You think you want it, but you don'!"
>"aww man, that sucks. I'll just build one at my home".
>"Sure man, but after a week or so, you'll come back to the BESTEST ever rollercoaster (ours). The first one sucked"
2 months later:
>A lot of people visit the man's rollercoaster for a daily ride. Having fun as fuck.
>Blizzardcoaster: "FUCK YOU! I'M CALLING THE COPS!"
>"what? Why?"
>"I hold the copy rights to that design! fuck you! come ride MY rolercoaster!"
>"but it's not the one I want!"
>"that's your problem!"
>>334411368
if you plot a linear graph following the sub tendency for the last 4 quarterly reports, WoW should be sitting at about 3 Million active subs or less.
>>334411785
>steal shitty parts left over from the old rollercoaster
>bitch when legal action gets taken
>Numbers all of a sudden matter
Jeez I guess CoD and EA Sport franchises must be the best gaming franchises in existence.
Fucking retards.
A game does get less popular when it becomes more hardcore.
>>334412248
>steal
>>334412602
>Numbers all of a sudden matter
>In a subscription based game
Yes of course they do fuckface are you retarded?
>>334412926
>It's only stealing if people make a profit from it
>People still get the full entertainment value, but it isn't stealing guys
>Watching something for free that other's have to pay to enjoy isn't stealing
>>334411231
Nostralrius was free, of course all the peasants went to play it. Even $5 for a legacy server, whiners will complaint about lack of new content. Times change, move the fuck on.
>>334411785
Why do you people keep making dumbass analogies like this.
It's almost as bad as the food analogies.
>>334413049
so if i take a car from someone and not sell it or damage it it's pretty much fine to go for a ride?
>>334413049
>stealing deprives the original person of the item in question
>we "stole" blizzard's classic servers even tho all the server-side scripting was made from scratch by the admins, blizzard doesn't have vanilla servers anymore and no one deprived Blizzard of anything
Suck more corporate cock please.
>>334413241
>Americans
>wanton hate for food analogies
You're the biggest meme-driven country in the face of the earth. Literally every day-to-day convention you guys use is a meme.
>>334413367
It's difficult to convey sarcasm in text, of course I am against stealing this faggot >>334412926 was attempting to imply that this wasn't stealing.
Also to note, Nostalrius isn't the only private server. There's also just as many people playing on Warmane as Nostalrius
>>334413621
i was adding to your post.
i hate blizz but they have the right cause it is actually stealing.
>>334413049
>watching something for free that others have to pay to enjoy is stealing
So, If I'm drinking water off the fountain, I'm stealing it, because further down the river, some company bottles the water up to sell it to someone else?
what?
>people still get full value but it's not stealing
I still get full value from fucking hookers. Am I stealing from my wife? does she own me, or my sexual actions, or my sexual pleasure because I deprived/robbed her of sexual intimacy by fucking someone else?
You're a fucking retard, anon.
>>334411231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
>>334413758
shut your mouth.
we know and we don't need another nostalrius drama.
Kids trying to argue without even a basic understanding of intellectual property laws. baka
>>334413870
tax payed for the water....
thats adultery not stealing homo
>>334414042
e-enlighten us sempai-kun
>>334411231
I would say Vanilla would be better if the leveling experience wasn't so fucking grindy and boring. Not that I enjoy being able to just "whizz" through leveling, but it seems like the leveling in Vanilla was no different from a snail's crawl. And also, eventually people will start drying out because no new content.
Another point that Nostalrifags seem to bring up is "WoW nowadays looks so cartoony." Big fucking deal, Warcraft's been cartoony since Warcraft III and even Warcraft II. At least now the graphics are more tolerable, as opposed to the eye-bleeding that Vanilla caused.
And demon hunters will be fun, at least. Even if there's an initial flood of DHs for the first year, it won't make it any different from when DKs and monks were brought in.
I haven't played WoW in years, just resubscribed earlier this month and started playing. Right now, I'm trying to grind to the point where gold is no longer an issue for me. I must say, though, that it still seems pretty fun, and, as a roleplayer, I have lots of opportunities available.
To clarify, I unsubscribed during early MoP. I was debating whether to come back or not since a few months ago, though. And I tried Nostalrius... thought it was buggy as shit and the grind was unbearable as someone who doesn't have 18 hours a day to invest in leveling.
>>334414042
BUT MUH NOSTALGIA
MUH FEELIES
>>334413553
>You own a car that you never drive
>It sits in a locked garage and currently doesn't run
>I break into the garage, get the car running and drive away with it
>I don't intend to sell the car or profit from it
This isn't stealing because you own another car and I'm not depriving you of anything.
You guys are for real fucking retarded. I understand that people are going to pirate shit, but don't try and act like it isn't stealing you lowly nigger.
>>334411231
Hosting private servers for WoW is illegal. There is no gray area with the law, it is their IP, and they can do whatever they want with it. If they don't defend it, or ignore obvious infringements, then that could possibly be used in court against them. I don't blame Blizzard one bit for what they did do Nost, or any other unknown private servers they put to the axe. Even if the servers were "non-profit," players always will farm gold and sell it - there's always a demand for in game currencies like this. Somebody somewhere is making money off of something they didn't create, and with it being an unofficial server, Blizzard has zero ability to punish or police profits being made off of thier IP. Since we have no current subscriber count from blizzard, we have no way of know whether or not Nosts' numbers are even close to official servers, so that argument is just pure speculation.
That being said, its really fucking retarded for a company to just flat out ignore the demand that these private servers seem to have. It might take a long time, but legacy servers will happen. If they're are people that will pay for it, then they will provide it.
>>334414158
>leveling experience wasn't so fucking grindy and boring
Anon, it has to be. If leveling was easy and fast it would be like playing retail WoW.
Absolute dogshit and no fun whatsoever.
>>334414063
>tax payed for the water
what the fuck are you talking about?
>that's adultery not stealing
but you're depriving your wife of exual intimacy by proccuring it from another source. You said such a thing is stealing. Get fucked.
>>334414156
Educate yourself. IF you're too lazy to even google it then you deserve to be stupid.
>>334414280
>go to school more
>or get a brain transplant....
>>334414374
i dont need google baka i just want YOU to explain it.
>>334411231
And was the quality of the game and the community good? Compare it to any other free MMO out there.
Most people were playing it because it was free WoW. If there were legacy servers, people would be bitching about having to pay. I doubt that most of the accounts on Nostalrius would be registered on legacy retail. And besides, the content will stale out eventually if you're keeping it "purely" Vanilla.
Fuck's sake, no content for WoD in a year and the numbers are dropping. What do you think would happen with legacy?
>>334414220
>break into the garage
>get the car running and drive away with it
You're implying two things:
1) there's destruction of physical property.
2) you get the original object/product
3) you deprived Blizzard of the original object/product.
Adressing your points,
(1) - you don't break anything. There's no DDoS attack, there's no broken walls.
(2) - It's not the orignal game experience. Nostalrius devs didn't have acess to Blizzard's server-side scripting. They had to craft their own.
(3)- Blizzard keeps their car. There's no deprivation of property.
All things considered, you just used a dumb as fuck analogy.
>>334414569
why should I waste my time. I'm not here to prove anything. Stay stupid then.
why dont WoWfags just play Guild Wars 2 that game is win.
>>334411231
The name 'World of Warcraft' is pretty much legendary in the industry. It may not have been the first MMORPG but it certainly put them on the map. It's even an umbrella association for video game no lives. It almost feels like there needs to be some kind of historic preservation of the various iterations of the game. Blizz should have more respect for the game that made it billions of dollars. They should probably just keep expansion servers around if only just as a sign of respect. Hell in real life cities it's not uncommon to have historic sites that are left unaltered even while the city or town around them modernizes. No such a thing exists for WoW. I can always pop in Ocarina of Time or boot up my old Windows 3.1 computer, but there's no way to boot up a pre cataclysm WoW. Not an argument for or against Nost. Just something I think needs to be said. It's their IP to do with what they will but they are basically giving their old game and the fans a middle finger by basically removing what amounts to a historic site in gaming.
>>334414384
>get absolutely REKT
>respond by throwing around an insult only a 16 y.o. would thing of
You need your balls to drop before you're of legal age to post here, faggot.
>>334414604
How about you stop comparing abandonware to a current or new released game? They don´t have to do shit and get to make a million a month more. Which they will do most likely after the release of Legion and with the drop in subscriptions, or if they´re particularly greedy, which they are, make their legacy servers only available to Legion owners.
>>334414279
Being able to reach max level in two weeks or less is not fun. But having to take two months to get to level 60 alone is not fun, either. If you have to make leveling a hungry void for time investment, it's going to wear down people eventually. People want to have fun, but that's not just through leveling, it's also through being able to increase what they're able to do. And when it gets to a point where it takes a week JUST to go up one level, how is that fun when you're a person with other things to do?
>>334414384
Yeah, but you're getting schooled so hard you can just stay on 4chan for the rest of your life and get a bunch of diplomas, amirite?
>>334414824
your answers are so fucking retarded that i assumed that you are retarded.
sr kid
>>334414637
Ah the classic strawman, re-read the post because you conveniently ignored parts of what I said.
The locked garage is an analogy for copyright laws, the Nostalrius people didn't remake classic wow, they added a few things to it to get it running. I also said that you still have another car aka Blizzard has the current version of WoW.
Don't take everything literally, secondly your reading comprehension is terrible.
I don't pretend to know how much it would cost Blizzard to run a separate vanilla server, or what their market research says they would make in revenue off it's back.
But if you don't like new WoW, the solution is to make a new MMO that's like old WoW. Not steal/reverse engineer/pirate Old WoW.
>>334415169
>he's clearly buttmad
>getting schooled left and right like it's not weekend yetYou're retarded, so let me spell it out for you: I know you're still in middle school because you're blatantly underage. Yes. Everyone can tell.
>he keeps responding
Your analogies mean nothing to the law. The law is justice. The law is right and eternal.
>>334415254
>the solution is to make a new MMO that's like old WoW
sure thing buddy. there´s tons of companies out there that are willing and able to drop 50+millions on the offchance that it might get a big enough marketshare. what was the lifespan of a MMO these days? 3-4 months? after that it´s tryhards clinging to the corps and f2p models appearing.
>>334412602
>current wow iteration
>hardcore
Pick 1
>>334411785
At least it's not another food analogy
>>334415196
it's a failed analogy. No amount of goalpost moving will save you from the fact that blizzard only has ONE car and that it physically never left the garage.
What you fail to realize is that no amount of analogies for copyright laws will avail any discussion on the subject whatsoever.
The problem with copyright laws is that the damages are not the cars leaving the garage (like you claim) . it's the possible income loss from the actions of the infringent party.
End of discussion.
>>334415580
Well there's clearly a market for an old school MMO, look how big Nostralius was, any company would be foolish not to build a perfectly legal old school MMO to try and get that audience. ;v)
>>334415465
>can't make an argument
>called him retarded for it
>"you mad bro"
you are so retarded you call me mad for no reason.
there is no cure for stupidity.
take your meds kid.
>>334414908
>How about you stop comparing abandonware to a current or new released game?
Except it's not abandonware. Should current WoW be considered anything similar to vanilla WoW? Probably not. But it is still built on that foundation and the core is still there. Blizzard is still getting money from it and paying attention to it. So no, it's not abandonware, even if it's an older version. The current WoW is basically heavily modded vanilla WoW.
>They don't have to do shit and get to make a million a month more.
Are you assuming that people are going to pay for legacy? Again, probably the majority of the Nostalrius accounts were registered to play free WoW in any form. You can't seriously believe that legacy servers on retail are going to cause a sudden mass return of gamers. And guess what, Blizzard's a business, if they aren't making more money than it costs to maintain those servers, they'll probably shut them down anyway.
>Which they will do most likely after the release of Legion and with the drop in subscriptions, or if they´re particularly greedy, which they are, make their legacy servers only available to Legion owners.
I'm not even going to try to be an oracle and debate whether or when Blizzard would add legacy servers. But if the demand is high enough, Blizzard will take what is the most profitable step, either to set up legacy servers or leave them away if there's not high enough demand.
>>334414384
Who are you quoting?
>>334415580
>lifespan of a MMO these days? 3-4 months?
Did Black Desert die that fast?
>>334415783
>old wow
>hardcore
pick 1
>>334411895
Nost had 150k active players
>>334415883
>he's still posting
>he can't hide his buttpain
Getting quite cringy to watch you bury yourself with every post you make.
>>334416004
Nost also only had 3 servers. Blizz has, what, 100 , worldwide?
It's about the same proportion, when you think about it.
Plus, Blizz has been known to inflate their player count with 1$ chinese accounts (chinese accounts are PLAYED time bound. Meaning that your account will never expire as long as you have 1 minute of paid playtime left on your account)
>>334415254
>I don't pretend to know how much it would cost Blizzard to run a separate vanilla server, or what their market research says they would make in revenue off it's back
Considering Nost was up for quite a while for free, and had a playerbase that a lot of other games would kill for, there is profit there.
I don't see why it's so hard to do what Runescape did, and just allow subs to play the older versions of their game. Nostalgiafags are happy, Jagex makes money, and there's still the new, shitty version of RS there in case anyone is interested in that.
>>334416447
Blizzard has heaps of servers that are all dead, but are too chickenshit to merge them in fear of bad PR so they do CRZ shit that makes things even more antisocial
>>334416273
>makes flawed arguments
>"loliwin usomad"
>ad hominem out of the ass
>"i trolled you bruh"
>>334415959
this intergalactic faggot
>>334416637
Where did he say that?
>>334416714
you can read can't you?
>>334416637
look at this anon's post : >>334416714 and let it finally sink down, deep inside you: you're embarassing yourself really hard.
The second hand embarrassment from watching you throwing your little tantrum is getting off the charts.
Just stop.
>>334416447
>Blizz has been known to inflate their player count with 1$ chinese accounts
source?
>>334411231
>Fraction of the sub price.
That's hilarious.
>>334416953
>ctrl-F
>1 of 1 match
These threads should seriously move away from arguing whether the takedown of Nostalrius was justified and onto pressuring Blizzard into creating legacy servers sooner.
>>334411231
Can this shit be bannable already? I can understand the outrage day one but it's been almost a week. At this point I don't think we need 10 threads about this crap a day.
All the points have been made and no amount of bitching is going to bring your hipster server back. Just get over it already
The problem is that current WoW isn't carried so much by subs as it is by microtransactions, and they'd have to horribly butcher Vanilla to retroactively crowbar the microtransactions back in. I'm not saying Blizzard has anything against butchering their own franchises, I'm saying they're lazy as fuck and don't want to put in the effort to make vanilla profitable, no matter how little it takes.
>>334417221
They won't ever do it, that would be them admitting defeat.
>>334417268
>let's ban people for talking about video games
>I don't know how to use filters
Great idea, retard.
>>334416637
>tells the other anon to grow a brain and go to school more
>literally opens hostilities by calling the other guy an uneducated retard
>complains that he's getting ad-hom'd "out of the ass" when he started it
Are you for real?
>>334417035
wtf are you talking about?
are you having delusions?
>>334417339
Legacy WoW servers WILL happen, but in a long, long time from now, after the last expansion for WoW is released, and Blizzard wants to squeeze more cash out of it before it drops dead.
>>334417268
>muh 4chan
>>334417339
You niggers aren't even talking about video games at this point. It's nothing but E-politics and hating blizzard.
When pokemon was all over the fucking board like this back in 2011 it got corralled into it's own board because people got sick of it. This is approaching that same level.
>>334417071
blizz themselves stated Chinese players are taken into account for sub numbers.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/59088909
all I can find is discussion on the subject. If you really want to know wether I'm right or wrong, google it yourself further. It's not hard.
>>334417221
This will not happen because the majority of players will not want to pay the sub fee.
>>334417487
that post actually makes a lot of sense
>>334417553
Politics directly relating to video games, their availability, and the developers behind them is video games related.
Fuck off, retard. Filter "nostalrius" if you don't like it.
see >>334417487
>>334415819
Unfortunately for you the courts of law agree with me. If what you are saying is true then how did Blizzard manage to shut down their servers?
Surely they too would have pondered the finer points of copyright law?
You talk about moving the goalposts but you are now attacking the analogy instead of defending your argument, which originally was that what the Nostalrius people were doing wasn't stealing.
>>334417487
>>334417748
>Trying to use Freud to justify shitposting
It's not about the quality of the boards diminishing, it's about you guys beating the rotting pulp of what used to be a dead horse. It's spam at this point.
I would honestly rather have posts about A presses back, at least that was funny.
>>334417879
>further proving the image right
>ignoring everything else in the posts
I hope this is bait.
>>334417487
This makes a lot of sense actually. I was wondering why following Nost's shutdown all the corporate shills came out of the woodwork to silence those who held a different opinion than their own. I never thought I'd see the day /v/ would suck so much corporate cock but this whole thing has been a real enlightening experience.
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>334417879
If that entire post just went over your head, you really lack self-awareness. The idea of these threads being spam is _your_ opinion. In fact, you would be the person shitposting here because you're not even contributing to the discussion, just trying to antagonize everybody in the thread.
Just put "nostalrius" in your thread filter if you're really that upset by it.
>>334417756
who gives a fuck about the law? You do? Great! I'm just interested in conversing about analogies. Because no matter how much you refine them , you can't EVER, and I mean EVER apply physical-sense analogies to digital and imaterial copyrights like intelectual property.
The discussion of analogies is what interests me. The moment you step into "but the law agrees with me!" domain, we immediately enter a whole new realm of debate which I don't really give a fuck about. I could throw you a "law doesn't necessarily mean right, see dictatorships" and we'd be tailspinning for days.
Have a good night, anon.
>>334417879
can't you see you're proving the picture right?
You're seeing a discussion you don't agree with, so you barge into the conversation trying to remove the cognitive dissonance from your life.
It's quite apparent if you just think about it for a second.
>>334411231
so much drama
nost was f2p got closed and it's blizzards fault.
like if someone steal your car and you take it back it's your fault somehow.
>>334418516
>help, officer ! someone stole my car!
>but it's still in your garage, is it not?
>yes! but my neighbour copied the design I payed for, and custom-built his own car in his own garage! that's illegal!
>Actually, it's quite legal. Physical objects can only be stolen when you're deprived of property. Which isn't the case. You were just deprived of exclusivity. Goodbye.
>B-but my theft analogies!
>>334418034
>I posted a screencap therefore my argument is right.
I hope you burn in the same hell that your hipster server is burning in right now.
This shit is spam of the worst kind.
>>334418121
So we should get rid of /vp/ and /vg/ and everyone can just filter pokemon and general too right?
You want legitimate arguing? Fine. I played wow from late 2005 up till right when the Throne of Thunder patch hit and I cannot fathom what value people would find in a vanilla only legacy server.
Yes the game has become an unholy shell of what it once was but that didn't happen up until Cata when raid finder, realm squishes, and terrible raid balance (10 man anyway) reared their ugly heads among other things.
Before that though BC and Wotlk were straight upgrades to vanilla. They fixed all of the class balancing issues that plagued the game, they made each spec meaningful in some way, they cut the raid size down to make it less of a headache for raid officers (to whom it felt more like training monkeys than actually raiding). It was a great time to be playing the game that for a couple of years prior was an Everquest tier unbalanced mess.
But everyone wants that back? Why in the fuck? I'd surmise that the vast majority of the people who were bitching are just mad that they lost their free wow server, but to those of you who are actually lamenting this loss, why are you so attached to the mess that is vanilla?
I get that blizzard asserted their rights and shut you down in a completely legal way and it pisses you off....but seriously....what of value was lost?
>>334418073
It's easy to dismiss anyone that disagrees with you as a corporate shill.
I understand that people here pirate things and that doesn't bother me in the slightest. What bothers me is people attempting to justify stealing.
You go out and create some kind of digital product and see how you feel when people start to pirate it.
>>334418958
>So we should get rid of /vp/ and /vg/ and everyone can just filter pokemon and general too right?
I would have no issues with a /wow/ board on 4chan. That's the administration's decision, and it isn't to be decided in these threads. If there's still a meta board on 4chan, you can go ask there.
>but to those of you who are actually lamenting this loss, why are you so attached to the mess that is vanilla?
That's your own, subjective, personal opinion of the quality of vanilla WoW. You don't have to like it, and you're entitled to your opinion. But not everybody here has the same opinion of it as you. There isn't going to be some massive debate where you can convince people that a game they like was actually bad and they didn't enjoy it because you personally didn't enjoy it.
MUH THEFT ANALOGIES!!
MUH CARS!
MUH LAWS!
MUH BREAKING INTO MUH GARAGE AND MUH THEFT!
KYS blizzard fuccbois.
>>334413367
If you could clone the car, take it away with you and use the car to do good deeds without causing any problems to the original owner but they still stopped you and deleted your cloned car, what would everyone think of the owner?
>>334419521
but what if my car is a clone of a clone they have a clone baby car and now an evil clone car appears did i lose the IP?
>>334419349
I enjoyed the shit out of it though, I wasn't in Death and Taxes or some shit but my guild dead clear almost half of Naxx before 2.0 hit, I just don't get why so many people want it and not the expansion that fixed all of its' flaws.
On your other note, finding this spam obtrusive and nonsensical is also my own, subjective, personal opinion, and I'm entitled to call this spam what it is.....spam.
>>334419521
It doesn't matter what people think of the owner because legally the owner was within their rights.
>>334414220
Your analogy is fucking stupid.
In all honesty they should charge a subscription fee to post on this website. It would weed out all the neets that think that stealing isn't stealing. Because let's be honest here anyone that would go to these lengths to argue something like this can't afford a $1 subscription even
>>334419487
MFW AMERICANS HAVE A HARD-ON FOR DISSING FOOD ANALOGIES
MFW THEY UNIRONICALLY TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT FUCKING CAR ANALOGIES
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!
>>334417756
>It's within the law so it was 100% the right thing to do
Before you say "But it was legally the right thing to do". I will agree, yes LEGALLY it was the right thing to do.
>tfw someone breaks into my house
>they steal my car
>it's this car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB5HSU4K84A
>I'm now liable for all the deaths and maims my car caused.
Aren't piratefags the worst?
>>334419740
Based on /v/ rule #1 (All posts should pertain to video games, their consoles, and video game culture. Threads should remain on topic and stay in theme with the board.) and the fact that there are only two WoW/Nostalrius related threads out of 150 total threads on /v/, I fail to see how this is spam, but okay. You should really just filter nostalrius if you don't like it rather than asking people to justify enjoying something they enjoy that you don't enjoy.
Sure smells like same fag in here. Some eurocuck got checkt and rekt and now he's in full damage control mode.
Not to worry though eurocucks I'm sure you guys won't mind when Ahmed applies a fair use policy to all of your women's pussies. Or as you refer to them "abandonware"
>>334419976
Right and Wrong are subjective elements that each person decides for themselves. Blizzard thought what they did was right, and the legal system backed them up.....sounds "right" to me.
>>334420182
>right and wrong are subjective
>it sounds right to me
your entire post was worthless.
>>334419740
>It doesn't matter what people think of the owner because legally the owner was within their rights
Yeah hes within his rights and hes still a faggot for doing it.
>>334416637
Lurker here. Just stopped by to confirm this child is indeed a gigantic faggot.
>>334414604
>people would be bitching about having to pay.
Who is saying this? I would most definitely pay a regular subscription price for Legacy, I think there's quite a lot of people who would too.
Nostalrius wasn't popular simply because you didn't have to pay, it was popular because people wanted to play old-school WoW. Those people would without a doubt pay to get their fix, Nostalrius just decided to be free so they didn't have to.
>>334420182
>Right and Wrong are subjective elements that each person decides for themselves
When someone loves something you made so much that when it is taken away they recreate it and share it with others for free as a labour of love without harming you in anyway but you shit on them anyway, it's not hard to see you're being a faggot even if you are legally right to do so.
They could have embraced it, they had two choices and they chose to be assholes.
>>334420158
It's just irrational that so many other things that were on the board this hard for days on end got shot down but this gets to stay.
Either way you're entitled to think the way you do and I'll say no more on the subject. Have fun
>>334420271
My post said that to me, in my "subjective" opinion, I agree with the legal system, and the legal system agrees with blizzard (who thinks they were in the right), so I agree that they were in the right.
That's all there is to it.
>>334420282
Also subjective, personally I think the people complaining about this are faggots
>>334417432
Fucking hell, will people even care about Legacy that far into the future?
I mean, I'm desperate for Vanilla WoW again, but I don't think I would give a flying fuck about a decade or longer from now.
>>334420559
>Those people would without a doubt pay to get their fix, Nostalrius just decided to be free so they didn't have to.
I don't think Nostalrius just decided to be free out of charity. Have you ever seen an (active) private server requiring a subscription? It would be pretty illegal for them to charge money to play on their own private WoW server.
>>334420662
They're a company and this thing that was being "shared with others" was in their eyes hurting profit.
They chose to be a business
>>334420692
They are legitimate complaints, there is literally no way you could defend the way blizzard has reacted to this if you are not a shill, corporate dicksucker or blizzdrone.
I didn't even play on the server for fucks sake.
>>334420795
I'm not going to regurgitate the argument for why the server wasn't hurting their profits, use your fucking brain. Why are you shilling so hard for a company that disrespects it's own fans this way.
>>334411231
>Activision
>offering legacy servers for a discount
That's one hell of a joke, fampai
>>334420753
I know, I was just saying that Nostalrius being free was decided because of the legality of it, not because people wouldn't pay for it, most people would if they had to, it just so happened that they didn't.
>>334420919
How is it legitimate to think that a business was in the wrong for protecting their property in a completely legal way?
I get that you guys want old wow back but private servers have always been shady at best. Seeing one shut down is nothing new and should have been expected, but instead everyone is calling the company in question monsters for doing something they have always had the right to do?
If anything you should be grateful that it lasted as long as it did.
>>334421140
Lets be realistic, even if we assume that the majority of the players on that server where playing it because it was vanilla, a good number where also playing it because "lol free wow". Those players might now make a mainline wow account because they don't have a choice. If this didn't happen they would still have the option of not paying....ergo, hurting profit.
>>334421253
Exactly
>>334411231
i don't play wow but i want to ask why is it bad that blizzard closed a private server like many times before and just caused such drama?
>>334421484
this was a big one, apparently
>>334421590
yeah but being big doesn't mean it's right right?
>>334421739
Human nature is to lash out when something you have is taken from you.....they don't care if it's "right", the entity denying them their object of desire is the enemy.
>>334421739
never said that, just saying that's why there's so much drama over it
>>334421484
>>334421739
It's been a while since they nailed a real high profile server so people hoped that they were loosening their grip on the banhammer. And with how big it was, there were plenty of people to get assmad.
I honestly don't understand why the vanilla private server people don't just unite and go create a new, better private server hosted in Nigeria or some shit
>>334421395
>People who wanted to play vanilla wow will suddenly go play the modern shitfest WoW
that's not how it works at all
>>334411231
> 120k is 1/5 of the current retail player base
Oh boy, you need to learn to do the math.
The game is not below 3M but lets say 2.5M just for the sake of it and lets use it the bullshit "10 day" 120k users.
So 2500000/5 = 500000
Is 500000 = 1200000 ????
IS NOT!
>>334422261
Read the post again please. I specified two groups of people
>>334421395
>a good number where also playing it because "lol free wow"
And why would they go play retail now instead?
>>334421854
i guess this is true in some way
>>334421986
still it looks like too much drama over nothing.
>>334422369
>Those players "might" now make a mainline wow account
I put the word you missed in quotations this time so it's easier to see.
Regardless of whether they do or do not make one...they never would have given the free option.
I hate that Nostalrious is gone but Christ almighty just let it go.
Gonna try and make a sensible food analogyIt's gonna be terrible
>new burger joint opens up
>recipe for burgers is pretty good
>chefs constantly trying to innovate the burgers, lots of different ways to have it
>one day announce that they're changing the burger recipe, but that all the older toppings are available
>after a while, announce they're changing the recipe again
>still pretty popular but some changes mean that original fans of the burger don't like it that much
>repeat a couple of times until they've made the latest burger and announce the new burger coming soon
>the burger tastes nothing like it did originally, making even the older toppings taste completely different than they used to
>although it's still not as popular some people like the newer burger, as they either didn't like or didn't try the older ones
>some chefs remember the older burger recipe and much prefer it to the new one
>find the recipe and offer to make the burger for anyone who brings them the recipe
>the newer chefs at the original burger place get mad, and demand they stop using their recipe even though they aren't profiting off it>rumours that the people making the old burger couldn't afford to keep the gas on the stove going anyway
>>334422550
>a few people """""""""might"""""""" resub
My shekels!!!!
>>334422813
Food analogies are inherently bad. They only work for food.
>>334418073
I don't even play WoW. WoD was so fucking boring and content bankrupt that it makes me physically ill with boredom to even think about playing it again.
But that doesn't make nostalgiafaggots like you right. In fact it makes you less right, because you're so cucked you would pay Blizzard a monthly sub just to play old WoW again. Fuck off.
>>334421395
>Those players might now make a mainline wow account because they don't have a choice.
No, they really wouldn't. Vanilla WoW and modern WoW and completely different from one another. The people going through the effort of playing Nostalrius, are people who wan't Vanilla WoW and nothing else, those people will never go back to modern WoW, because to them WoW is dead, maybe an incredibly low amount of people would do what you're suggesting, but it would barely effect sales.
Just because Blizzard had the right to do it, doesn't mean it's immediately okay that they did it, no questions asked. Saying "it was legal, so it's fine" is simply retarded. It's legal for me to go yell at some poor fuck on the street, free speech and all that, but the people around me wouldn't just nod in agreement, and say, "well, it's free speech, he DOES have a right to do that, so whatever" no, they would call me out for being a fucking asshole.
This is the last place I would expect people to be so obsessed with abiding the law. Sometimes the law is wrong. Blizzard did have the right to do this, but saying "they did it because they can, they have right to" isn't a fucking answer, that doesn't explain why they did it at all.
At this point, the only real reason Blizzard has to take these things down, is because they think it poses a threat, when it doesn't, or it hurts their pride, which is incredibly childish. They did it because they could isn't an answer, they wouldn't even be aware of the existence of private servers if they cared about them so little that they would get rid of them "cause they could", they're obviously going after them for one reason or another.
>Exactly
Exactly what? You agree with me completely? That kind of goes against the rest of your post there.
>>334416447
150k active players means they logged in once per month
Just because you don't like the latest patch doesn't justify piracy. Just because McDonalds stops selling the McRib doesn't mean you just bring your own ingredients, go into their kitchen, and make one yourself.
>>334422898
It's a businesses' right to protect their shekels, and that's exactly what Blizzard did.
Deal with it
>>334423152
Again, I was calling out the people that were playing it solely because it was free.
If they think it poses a threat than that's reason enough. They're a fucking business, they think in dollars.
>Exactly what?
The part about Nostalrius being free to try and avoid legal repercussions.
>>334418880
what is software patent ?
programming a server that comply with custom packets sent by the client that got real money to develop is intelectual and software stealing.
you are not that dumb son, stop trying.
>>334423326
>go into their kitchen
the metaphor almost worked
>>334423326
Yes it does.
>>334422653
>let it go
suck on my penis champ
>>334423326
but anon, people DO make their own mcrib
>>334423326
Wait, Nostalrius broke into Blizzard's HQ to get the game data and they developed it in their offices?
I had no idea, shit
just saw this slut in booty bay :^)
>>334423518
>I was calling out the people that were playing it solely because it was free.
Who in the world is doing this?
People played Nostalrius because they wanted to play old-school WoW, not because they wanted to play free WoW, where are you getting this idea from?
Do you have any proof of the existence of people who played Nostalrius simply because they wanted to play WoW for free? That idea just seems so bizarre to me.
>It's a businesses' right to protect their shekels, and that's exactly what Blizzard did.
We can keep going around in circles over this, but Blizzard did not lose money from Nostalrius existing. People who play modern WoW, are playing it and are content with it. The people who played Nostalrius are people who don't play WoW, haven't played it in years, have no plans on playing it, etc, basically, people who will never play modern WoW, so no, Blizzard did not lose any money from people who would never play their game, because they're never going to play their game.
>If they think it poses a threat than that's reason enough.
Correct, only their idea that it posed a threat is misguided. They still have the right to do it, but we shouldn't just accept it "because they could" and they certainly shouldn't be defended.
seems to be a few of them
>>334424467
What server is this? Kronos?
>>334424693
No, it's from Lordaeron
>>334424542
i played on nostalrius cause it's f2p and it's vanilla.
no i'll never pay blizzard ever again.
blizz was right and there is nothing anyone says can change the fact.
>>334424973
>blizz was right and there is nothing anyone says can change the fact
you're not very subtle
>>334424973
just because someone's right doesn't make them RIGHT
>>334425035
i play on kronos and no i am not
>>334425096
what that? oh yeah nothing.
>>334424542
Look while I can't speak for you and whoever else played it because they legitimately enjoyed bare bones wow....you cant sit here and argue with me that at least 20% of those guys were playing it because it was free.
If there were people playing it because it was in fact free, whether it was 1 person, 5 people, or 5000 people, those people were theoretically losing blizzard money....and that's all the reason they needed.
Is Blizzard right? Technically yes. Does that make it ok? Depends on how you feel about piracy (personally I'm a buyfag so I think it was in fact ok). Are they dickheads for doing it? In the eyes of the players probably so, but they're a business, and businesses don't think like individual players, they think in dollars.
Whether or not it was a threat, who was right, who was wrong, etc....those are all in the eye of the beholder. For every person who is outraged that this happened there's another guy who sees it as fair game. Nobody is "right" here.... it is what it is and we've all got to deal with it.
>>334424973
So you're saying if you had to pay to play vanilla again, you wouldn't?
and no, Blizz was wrong because I said so and nothing anyone says can change the fact.
>>334424467
Lol there actually are people paying for wow now that nost is dead. Point proven, I'm done.
>>334411231
>I didn't even play on Nostalrius, but it's clear there's a demand for Vanilla WoW
There's a demand for vanilla WoW only if it's free.
>>334424031
Have fun crying about your dead server I guess.
>>334425386that was on a private server
>>334411231
>>Nostalrius amasses a player base close to a fifth of the current retail player base
That's bullshit and you know it. Every single person ever registered in nostalrius is 1/5 close to every currently paying sub.
That's an absolutely huge difference.
>>334425550
Great, hopefully it gets shut down too
>>334425515
Seems that way
>>334425549
I didn't play on Nost.
>>334425379
so i am saying i wouldn't play vanilla on blizz if they paid me.
guess what. i left cause the community was so alienated i felt disgust with official.
i've been playing on nost for 5 months and no i don't know many that would pay.
a good thing is that now at kronos i have no lag and shit work better so i don't care about nost since it was shit.
>>334425515
>There's a demand for vanilla WoW only if it's free.
Source?
As a law student, it's hilarious how absolutely retarded /v/ is when it comes to law and justifying shti their done.
Nostalrius was copyright infrigiment no matter how you paint it, every lawyer would agree. And I hate how copyright laws work. I even agree that blizz should open legacy servers.
>>334425716
Then what was the point of your response?
>>334425905
this thread you idiot unless you think people were giving money to blizz to play on nost and in that case you're a fucking moron
JonTron,YogsCast, Soda Poppin and The Twitch Streaming community, Francis/Fat Guy, Almost all the youtube gaming community played on Nost. Shit was getting too big.
>>334425598
close to 1/50
fuck forget a zero
>>334425905
Nobody will pay for Overwatch, what makes you think people will pay for an 11 year old version of an MMO?
>>334425306
>those people were theoretically losing blizzard money....and that's all the reason they needed.
Okay, so you think there exists two groups of people here, people who wanted to play vanilla, and people who wanted to play WoW for free. According to you, Blizzard was losing money from these people because if Nostalrius didn't exist, they would be forced to play, and pay for modern WoW.
This doesn't make any sense, the people who wanted to play vanilla WoW would not pay for modern WoW and return to it because they want vanilla WoW.
The people who played it because it was free, would also not pay for modern WoW and return to it because they refuse to pay for it/want to play it for free.
So what I said still stands, Blizzard is losing nothing to people who will never play their game, this is obviously a point that we will never both agree on, so there's no point in arguing further.
I kind of agree with everything else you said though, Blizzard are fucking dickheads in my point of view, whatever that's worth, fucking nothing really.
>>334426010
I want legacy servers.
>>334426092
>JonTron
That guy is a paid shill for Battlefront and Far Cry Primal and he thinks people care about his opinion?
>>334426251
I want good video games. We don't always get what we want.
If you want to support this kind of stuff, play project 1999 or 2007 Runescape servers.
>>334426231
You even quoted the word theoretically and are missing my point.
They are a potential threat, so they die. Regardless of whether or not they go and pay for wow now the fact remains that given the option they would never do it. So by eliminating the option they invite the possibility.
Like I said, they're a business.
>>334426341
Legacy servers would be a lot easier to accomplish than a fully fledged new game that's good. Also I've been playing OSRS since 2013.
>>334411231
so this is what we do guys, we set up a new nost server in a country where blizz doesn't have legal jurisdiction
>>334426034
>this thread
Where? Link me to a post where someone is saying they'd only play Vanilla if it was free. I don't see it.
>you think people were giving money to blizz to play on nost
Of course not, why would they? Blizzard didn't make Nostalrius, and Nostalrius was free, so there's no one to give money to.
If Blizzard were to make Legacy servers a majority of people who want to play Vanilla would pay for it.
>>334411231
>Nostalrius amasses a player base close to a fifth of the current retail player base
No.
150k. Stop overstating it. The "active" community included anyone that played in the last year.
>>334426570
Blizzard doesn't support any kind of community modding scene and they never will.
>>334426580
>If Blizzard were to make Legacy servers a majority of people who want to play Vanilla would pay for it.
so everyone playing on nost were sending blizz the money each month?
i didn't know that why would blizz be pissed at people playing world of warcraft if they were paying for it your argument doesn't make sense
>>334426034
>this thread
What about this thread?
Even if anything in here suggested anything either way, one thread on an anonymous imageboard with 47 people has absolutely nothing to do with what a 150k playerbase would do. You're a retard.
>>334426592
Nostalrius was only around for a year and they have 800k registered accounts, so that can't be true.
>>334426660
They don't have to. They can do it themselves.
>>334426592
>Nost had 150k unique accounts logging in weekly
>Retail has 1.2 million unique CHARACTERS logging in MONTHLY
>Shills try to spin this as Nost not having 1/5th of retails population
truly epic
>>334415019
Nobody is/was asking for Vanilla WoW to replace current WoW.
Just for the OPTION to play that WoW to be there. You don't like the sound of Vanilla? Cool, just don't play it, but there's many people who do like that style of MMO, and DO want to play it
>eventually people will start drying out because no new content.
The game is tuned so that guilds weren't just running through Nost raids in weeks. It's got a solid base of hardcore players, and nobody was even ready for Naxx when it got shut down.
Most players won't just steamroll through it, and when they eventually do? Keep it open for the rest, or make a TBC server too. For minimal cost and infrastructure you can keep arguably 150,000+ players happy for years
>>334426168
>Nobody will pay for Overwatch
Source?
>>334426580
i said it. no i wouldn't pay blizz for vanilla. i prefer private servers with good community than kids with fucking credit cards and overweight neckbeards.
>>334426821
>one thread on an anonymous imageboard with 47 people has absolutely nothing to do with what a 150k playerbase would do. You're a retard.
pot
kettle
black
>>334426936
>They don't have to. They can do it themselves.
They won't. They've been firm on their stance over legacy servers since WotLK.
>>334426936
>>Retail has 1.2 million unique CHARACTERS logging in MONTHLY
where that stat come from? your ass?
>>334427027
Please show me where I said this thread is proof that people would pay for it.
Fuck off, retard
>>334426451
Again where going around in circles, I believe there is literally no one who wants to play Vanilla and hates modern WoW, would go back to play modern WoW. You say they invite the possibility, but I believe their is none. They are not a potential threat, the people playing Nost will never play modern WoW, there is no threat, not even a possible one.
There's no point in arguing further since this a point we will never both agree on and no amount of arguing will convince the other otherwise.
>>334427008
People on /v/ who say they won't pay $40 for it since it should be F2P.
>>334427090
>quote my narrative
literally retarded
>>334426936
So how many unique players?
>>334427142
>People on /v/
Not a valid statistic.
>>334427008
I won't pay a penny for it because Blizzard shut down Nostalrius. I'll show them what really makes them lose money. Serves those cucks right.
It's amazing 48 people can repeat the same shit back and forth thread after thread yet not grasp no one worth a shit is listening. You're all being mad over nothing & wasting your time.
I, for one, am done with you losers.
>>334427156
Either state a point or fuck off.
Is it really that hard to just stop posting when you realized you were wrong?
>>334411231
activision and blizzard know that the minute they come out with vanilla servers all the work they put into making wow a fucking casual shit hole will be undone.
everyone wants vanilla wow its like how everyone wants swg pre-cu but ea knows it would kill the tortanic dead.
>>334427101
i agree with this guy.
unless you like them both but that's what happened with nost fotm and ended early.
>>334427054
They change their minds all the time and this Nostalrius thing is a pretty catalyzing situation.
>>334427078
warcraftrealms.com
This website that's been using an addon to take censuses of the server populations for years and years.
>1.2 million CHARACTERS, MONTHLY, AND WoW is F2P with tokens
JUST
>>334426802
>so everyone playing on nost were sending blizz the money each month?
Of course not, because they're not fucking forced to.
If Blizzard made Legacy servers and applied their subscription model to it just like modern WoW, people would fucking pay for it.
What is this "well did people who play Nost send Blizzard $10 a month through paypal :^)" shit you sound fucking retarded.
>>334427303
>Either state a point or fuck off.
you are terrible at debate and you know it
>waaah my narrative isn't my argument
any moderator would dq you at this point for being such a cunt with zero (0) skills or knowledge.
get rekt kid.
>>334427413
>Of course not, because they're not fucking forced to.
good. you see my point then.
>>334427424
>you make a point straight out of your ass
>I explain why it's invalid using basic statistics
>no rebuttal from you
Like I just said, is it really that hard to just stop posting when you realized you were wrong?
>>334414220
not a good example since something wasnt physically stolen like a apple or a book it was data try again.
>>334427579
>you make a point straight out of your ass
again you open with lies.
>>334427692
dude stfu
you intergalactic faggot
>>334427380
Does it have 100% uptime in every server?
O4f course not.
Then the data is faulty
I think it's time for Blizzdrones to just accept Nost was simply too good of a server for blizzard to allow to exist.
It threatened them because it was living proof that they dun fucked up, and that vanilla was literally more enjoyable than anything after wotlk.
Before Nost most people could just say "oh rose tinted goggles", "You don't REAALLY want that", "I was there raiding was hard, trust me you want retail WoW".
Nost showed: No.
And that's what upsets Blizz drones about it so much. it was literally better than retail.
Bu bu bu.. its free that's why so many people played it!.
I think part of why it was so good was it was a gaming effort made 'for the love of the game', and not 'for next quarters earning report'.
Now I know the responses to this post are going to be basically ad hominem attacks. There's very few actual arguments you can use since Nostalrius proved that vanilla was objectively better.
https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community
Sign the fucking petition
>>334427692
>again you open with lies.
Aright then, please feel free to prove to me how an anonymous imageboard thread of 47 people where you can't even tell who's repeatedly posting the same thing is representative of the spending habits of an independent 150,000 person playerbase.
Whenever you're ready, I'm waiting!
>its the same thread with the same arguments with the same pointlessness as yesterday
Blizzard are not smart. I bet even if they did have reliable evidence in front of them pointing out legacy would be profitable they wouldnt understand or capitalize on it.
Talking about a company that has had a failing MMO for years they dont know how to save, who missed out on dota, who killed custom scenes across all their games in fear, who botched D3, who had another MMO in the making and had to scrap it, whose only new title is a TF2 clone that doesnt even capitalize on the potential of being a TF2 clone by copying the same cosmetic system.
Tldr version; Blizzard want money but are too stupid to get it. All the good game designers in Blizzard left years ago and only their legacy supports modern blizzard.
>>334427380
There are a bunch of servers that received only 2 snapshots in the last month rofl
bunch of EU servers have zero snapshots in the last month.
That data is worthless.
>>334411231
How is it hard to understand that releasing a legacy server would only compete with themselves. Look at lineage and lineage 2, or everquest and everquest 2. When they next game was released, large amounts of players moved onto the new content. At the same time however, a large portion stayed behind to play the game they had always been playing. what resulted was neither game ever reaching the heights of the first games peak.
WoW never did this, and simply kept releasing more expansions to the same game, never having to split its player base. Its one of the major reasons it became such a huge game with a massive player base. However, a legacy server would only compete with retail, and the game would do even more poorly than before, splitting its already shrinking player base between a version that stays the same and a version that grows. Imagine if they did that for every expansion?
Blizzard CANNOT make a legacy server if they want to keep retail relevant. Its quality would suffer and in their own words "You think you want it, But you don't."
>>334427285
>t. Bloodspektor44
>>334427516
I didn't quite catch the second line of your post because it was so broken.
People didn't play Nost because it was free, they played it because they wanted Vanilla.
If you had to pay to play Nost, people would pay to play Nost.
If Blizzard released Legacy servers which you had to pay for, people would pay for it to play Vanilla.
You did not have to pay for Nost, so people didn't pay for Nost. If you did, they would.
What part aren't you understanding?
Blizzard can suck my cock. I don't care if they release legacy servers after this, I'm not wasting my time and money on anything they make anymore.
Fucking jews man, you never win.
>Enjoy me some old-fashioned BlizzCones.
>Go to BlizzCone Vendor
>BlizzCone Vendor: "Try this! It's radical! it's new! It's got Pandaren Flavoring!"
>Me: "This new cone isn't very good. Can I have the old one?"
>BlizzVendor:"No! And don't you dare look behidn the dumpster!"
>Go into the dumpster, find all the ingredients for an classic BlizzCone.
>Take them home, make some classic BlizzCones, some bits I had to do myself but they're still good.
>Share Classic BlizzCone with others who don't care for the new flavor.
>Soon an entire city's worth of people want Classic BlizzCones.
>BLizzVendor bursts into my home.
>"POLICE! ARREST THIS MAN! HE IS ENJOYING CLASSIC BLIZZCONES WITHOUT BLIZZCONE'S PERMISSION!"
>Me: "But I'm not selling them, and they aren't buying you're new flavor."
>BlizzCone Vendor: "Nuh uh, they would absolutely be buying the new BlizzCones if you hadn't ruined my market. Stop making them or you will be arrested.
>MFW
>>334427994
I don't think that's too much of a concern given how different the games are. If vanilla was more like modern retail I could see it, but the games are basically on opposite ends of the spectrum at this point so I really don't see anyone making the switch from one to the other.
The only people who care enough about vanilla/BC enough to actually play it long term are people who hate how modern WoW plays and are likely already unsubbed with no chance of return.
>>334428031
inb4 Blizzdrones posting ">food analogy" and a dumb reaction avatar to go with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
>>334427823
It's accurate enough to give you an idea on how retail WoW is doing currently.
>>334427864
>Before Nost most people could just say "oh rose tinted goggles", "You don't REAALLY want that", "I was there raiding was hard, trust me you want retail WoW".
This. That video of the arrogant twat at Blizzard saying "You think you want it, but you don't really!!", looks hilarious now
>>334428031
Hey I liked Pandaren Flavor! It was the Warlords Flavor thats hard to stomach..
>>334427994
>How is it hard to understand that releasing a legacy server would only compete with themselves
False. People who want legacy dont like modern WoW. If they did, they would be playing modern WoW and not private servers.
There is no competition between legacy and modern versions of the same game when the games versions are so drastically different.
>>334428010
>People didn't play Nost because it was free, they played it because they wanted Vanilla.
>If you had to pay to play Nost, people would pay to play Nost.
>If Blizzard released Legacy servers which you had to pay for, people would pay for it to play Vanilla.
>You did not have to pay for Nost, so people didn't pay for Nost. If you did, they would.
>What part aren't you understanding?
who the fuck are you and why do you think your version of events are true? you're literally a nobody who thinks their shit doesn't stink
>>334428010
wtf are you talking aboutt?
no they wouldn't pay to play on nost.
CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF PRIVATE SERVERS IT'S CAUSE IT'S FREE.
>>334427994
but I don't care for retail WoW or if a split happens, so I do want it.
>>334427921
This.
Just taken over by corporate hacks. Wouldn;'t be suprised of Bobby kottick has got a bunch of pajeets working on the games now, and have thrown out the actual original developers, because hey why bother paying them when pajeet works for half, and the consumers pre-order record numbers regardless of what you sell.
>>334428031
Also among the better examples
>>334428186
The most annoying part of that video is the Blizzdrone in the crowd cheering when he says no, and the ones laughing at his response.
Fuck those people, and fuck that dude and his snarky response
>company that owns IP says they won't under any circumstances change it to cater to a minority of customers
>continue to ask company to change the IP to cater to the minority
Are WoWfags really this out of touch with society?
>>334428242
I kind of felt like Cataclysm Flavor was where we saw BlizzCone going down. It had a really bad after taste.
>>334428235
It's absolutely shit. It's completely worthless. Several EU servers had zero snapshots (aka no data) and several US serers had less than 5 snapshots in last month. (aka almost no data).
>people still unironically thinking MoP was bad
go fuck yourselves
>>334428290
>CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF PRIVATE SERVERS IT'S CAUSE IT'S FREE
Or it's the only way to play the game.
>>334428030
I'm with this guy.
Fuck Blizzard. They've shown that they literally give 0 fucks about the community they created.
They would screw over the community for a profit at the first given opportunity every time.
I'm so fucking glad Gaben stole Dota 2 from them. If that shit was a blizzard game it would've flopped so hard.
>>334428417
you think you do, but you dont
https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community
>>334428362
>Hey guys Vanilla had a few annoying bugs, remember server crashes when AQ40 launched??? YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY, PLEASE KEEP GIVING US BETA CODES BLIZZARD
>>334417071
>>334417614
It's stated on the quarter reports.
>>334428290
>CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF PRIVATE SERVERS IT'S CAUSE IT'S FREE.
If that was true Nost would have been a private version of modern blizzard. They do exist.
But it wasnt. It was vanilla. People want vanilla and blizzard wont support it so they go to private servers. Private servers are free because of legal issues, not out of choice.
I would pay for blizzard legacy servers. And so would many other people.
>>334428492
OR CAUSE IT'S FREE
>pay $15 for wow servers
>get ninja looted several times in the first week of a new instance release
>blizzard states they don't punish ninja looters.
>make character on free wrath of the lunch king server
>several times a day see "PLAYERNAME HAS BEEN BANNED FOR 14d. Reason: ninja"
Why would I pay money for worse service?
>>334428469
Probaby because those servers have an active playerbase numbering in the hundreds. The data is at most off by a few hundred thousand, either way things look very grim for retail WoW.
>2016
>wanting to play a 12 year old game
top kek
>>334428551
oh wow 100k "signatures"
that totally isnt an insignificant fraction of Blizzard customers (not just WoW you fucking mongoloids)
>blizz caves and makes vanilla servers
>numbers normalize at well below Nost's numbers due to the fact that players have to pay to use them and that most players will get bored of having no content after Naxx
>>334426034
But people did donate a good amount of money to the Nost guys. Not all vanillafags are cheap.
>>334416004
easily more than 15% were bots and multiboxers
>>334428551
I can see it at Blizzcon 2016 already, i'm 100% sure they'll announce a legacy server (or some kind of bullshit Timewalking in game) and say "See! We understand our fans!" like they were the good guys all along
>>334428642
A million people would pay for Blizzard run legacy servers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znobaqshbsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>334428242
End of Wotlk is what killed it.
LFG system and the world died. People finished the expansion and quit en-masse.
A few returned for Cata, but left shortly after.
Now every expo fewer people return.
>>334428636
you would pay and then go to private servers cause official will suck after a year.
>>334428680
>no new content meme
The fact that 10 year old content was massively popular shows content drought isn't an issue.
>>334428653
>why would I pay the owners of an IP a fair rate to use the services that provide me with said IP
baka senpai I hate this board
We'll get vanilla servers as soon as WoW goes F2P.
>>334428680
>numbers normalize at well below Nost's numbers due to the fact that players have to pay to use them
loving this meme
>and that most players will get bored of having no content after Naxx
progression servers
>>334428680
>blizz caves and makes vanilla servers
>less than 2k players during its peak time
>/v/: L-LOL EPIC TROLLED LOL
>>334428596
and how does legacy servers = can't fix bugs?
>>334428680
Journey not destination.
>>334428252
>>334428290
I still haven't seen someone who is outright saying they would have only played Nostalrius, and would only play Vanilla again if it was free.
People played it because they loved Vanilla and wanted to experience it again, the fact that it was free didn't play apart at all in their decision to play it, to experience that again in the slightest. If they had to pay, they would.
>CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF PRIVATE SERVERS IT'S CAUSE IT'S FREE.
Private servers are free because their illegal, if it wasn't, and the server was good, people would pay.
>>334428782
>A million people would pay for Blizzard run legacy servers.
[CITATION NEEDED]
>>334428892
WoW already is F2P.
>>334428458
I didnt get to experience Cataclysm Flavor, I barely got a lick of Wrath Flavor as well! But Vanilla, Burning Crusade and Pandaria are the flavors im most familiar and comfortable with.
Pandaria flavor has this green tea like flavor
>>334428680
Naxx in Vanilla was the pinnacle of FUCKING HARD. and it was a goddamn shame it was only around for like 4 months,
>>334428756
I can see what'll actually happen at BlizzCon already
>some fat fuck wearing 2 shirts gets in line for Q&A
>made up some bullshit question to get past screening
>gets to be his turn
>goes to take one shirt off to try to show off the Nostalrius one he drew with crayon on a blank shirt
>takes both of them off, revealing his horrid midsection
>starts projectile vomiting spaghetti out of embarrassment
>>334428846
No i wouldn't. I would pay and play blizzard run official private servers.
>>334428950
It's dumb, plus anything that was gamebreaking was fixed already, so the code is already out there
>>334428962
>People played it because...
wow talk about speaking out of place there's absolutely zero way you can speak for the majority in this case
>>334428661
No, you goalpost mover dumbfuck. It has no data cause no one did. That's like saying "we did a US population census, but we ignored wyoming cause it doen't have a lot of people there."
That shit doesn't fly. Data is objectively wrong, it holds absolutely no value in an argument
>>334414042
Yeah intellectual property is thief
>>334428782
hmm bu they won't and they don't have to.
>>334428962
fine i say it, i would play on official vanilla if it was f2p. happy?
>>334429056
ok thats your problem
>>334428984
>A million people wouldn't pay for Blizzard run legacy servers.
[citation needed]
8 million people already did pay for Blizzard run Vanilla servers, they even paid $50 for the box.
>>334428846
>you would pay and then go to private servers cause official will suck after a year.
So assuming this is true, which I totally disagree with, Blizzard with 100k players on Vanilla servers would still earn over $15 million in that year
Blizzard really REALLY doesn't like to admit they did anything wrong.
Releasing legacy servers would be admitting that the changes they made to the game were mistakes.
Remember how fucking long it took for them to admit that the RMAH in Diablo 3 was killing the game?
>>334428653
if you'd pay for a game with such an archaic loot system in the first place you'd be dumb enough to pay for shitty support
that's what makes this controversy so laughable to everyone on the outside. wow players are literally complaining that their slightly less shitty version of a completely shitty game is being taken away. people playing wow in 2016 need to wake the fuck up
>>334429185
And people paid $8000 for 5mhrz computers with 512kb of ram
>>334429164
>the d-data isn't literally p-p-perfect therefore it's invalid!
top kuk
>>334428962
>People played it because they loved Vanilla and wanted to experience it again
Not either of them but just wanted to say i never played vanilla until Nost and it was without a doubt the best MMO iv ever played. It actually felt like an MMO rathen than the single player themepark nearly all other MMOs are.
Wanting vanilla isnt just people who are nostalgic.
>>334429017
Paying by gold isn't the same. Blizzard still makes money off the WoW token.
>>334429264
people playing wow in any year need to wake the fuck up
WoW was casual garbage from day one
>>334429185
>8 million people already did pay for Blizzard run Vanilla servers, they even paid $50 for the box.
in 2004 tho
>>334429137
and you are? Based on what? Please explain to me how my idea that people would pay for Vanilla is retarded when your idea that people would only play it if it was free is truth because you say so.
>>334429049
Man. I really wish some ballsy nerd would go up and just ask them
"Hi Blizzard, I've been a fan for a long time, but what the FUCK are you thinking? DO you even care about these people or are you just trying to make a profit, what the FUCK was the deal with closing Nost".
>>334429176
How is that my problem? Dont deflect when i prove you wrong just admit you were.
>>334411231
Activision doesn't run
>>334429315
Vanilla is objectively way better than what's currently available though so your comparison doesn't really work at all.
>>334429264
The ninja looting happened in 2015 you fucking retard, on official wow servers.
Also I submitted a video of a botter to a gm on a blizzard server, and also on a private server. Guess which one had the botter still going a week later, and which one got banned in 48 hours?
>>334429325
>using memes as a counter argument
Nostfags are the worse, holy shit hahahaha
>>334429049
>>334429410
haven't watched blizzcon in a while, but i know they decide the questions in advance, does the audience even get the mic anymore?
>>334429045
I kinda wish Blizz didn't get lazy and rehash it.
>>334429382
So shave that 8mil down to ~1mil and there's your projected pop.
>>334429315
New computers are objectively better than old PCs.
The new WoW is not objectively better in any sense, past some graphical tweaks, and even they are personal taste
>>334429238
No, it would be admitting that some people like modern WoW and some prefer Vanilla, there is no hurting of pride going on. People have preferences.
If the split was something like 30/70 in Vanilla's favour THEN it would be Blizzard realizing they done fucked up.
>>334429412
sr are you stupid?
it's your money and your problem.
i'll keep playing on private servers.
what did you prove wrong exactly?
>>334414158
>fucking grindy
But that's the point of the whole game? Grind and locking you into an emotional relationship with other people you've met online so you can't quit.
>>334411231
Activision doesn't want blizzard to openly admit that current WoW is garbage by opening legacy servers.
simple no?
>>334429405
i'm a current WoW sub
i pay (unlike you) for my right to use the software
i am above you, the thief, in every form on this argument especially moral
the product i use will not change nor cater to you, the thief, ever. no company would support a band of thieving fuckos like you
>Go to blizzcon
>Wear a t-shirt with nostalrius logo on it
>Wear hoodie over it
>Go to Q&A
>Approach the mic
>Ask them "You think you do but you dont"
>Rip off hoodie
>Stare them all down
>Drop kick mic into crowd
>>334428921
>loving this meme
Face the facts, no one's going to pay $15 or grind in a game they hate for tokens to play a game that gets no new content.
>progression servers
Well that's not the vanilla experience then, is it? :^)
>>334429656
Man you are so...lame ugh
>>334429573
>WoW is not objectively better in any sense, past some graphical tweaks, and even they are personal taste
You would have to be insane to think modern wow looks good graphically when every town is nothing but GIANT FLAMING PARTICLE EFFRCT PHOENIX.
Vanilla had the most consistency and charm to it graphically. The design went to shit with TBC.
>>334429549
No someone holds it up to them
If some dumb fuck started asking a question that wasn't approved they wouldn't get to say it.
>>334429669
>get thrown out of blizzcon for trying to start a riot
>get arrested
>get civil suit thrown at you
yea what a bad ass you are
>>334429712
>Well that's not the vanilla experience then, is it? :^)
Retail Vanilla never progressed?
>>334429751
The model updates ended up looking like ass for anything that's not orcs, trolls, dorfs and night elves.
>>334429603
No one gives a shit where you play. Youre not even addressing the argument you raised when you posted first in reply.
You were wrong. Get over it.
Also, dont call others stupid when you cant even spell check 'sir'
>>334429656
>i'm a current WoW sub
>i pay (unlike you) for my right to use the software
>i am above you, the thief, in every form on this argument especially moral
>the product i use will not change nor cater to you, the thief, ever. no company would support a band of thieving fuckos like you
>>"See this ass hole, see how big it is from taking blizzards penis, that makes me better than you."
>Be me
>Be 12 years old
>Neckbeard just beginning to grow
>Decide like all of the other neckbeards in the world that I should play wow
>Can't afford subscription
>Find a server that I don't have to pay for
>Server isn't full wow but my neckbeard demands at least part of it
>Brag online about how this free server is superior to Blizzard's own
>Blizzard find out because people like me spam about how better the server is everywhere
>I'm now surprised that the server has been taken down
>Go online and complain that I'm not allowed to play for free
>>334429656
What about games that don't exist and can't be purchased anymore? Should no one be allowed to play them?
>>334429850
Another systemic issue from the fact all the talent and smart people from Blizzard left ages ago
>>334429954
>using my waifu for a post in a shitty WoW thread
>>334429979
>trying to move goal posts
>trying to change subject
>avoiding the question
pick 3
>>334429954
I dont like modern WoW but would happily pay Blizzard to play their legacy servers.
Your argument is invalid.
>>334429751
I meant in terms of shadows, water effects etc. Not style design
>>334411231
I'm glad Blizzard shit down Nostrashit.
First off, private servers are ILLEGAL. Second off, Vanilla was shit. WoW was at it's peak when Mists of Panderia came out.
>>334428551
Actually,I think I want legion, but I don't.
>>334429870
again sorry are you stupid?
the argument ended 2 posts ago you just like to keep going about "winning?" when it's just a matter of choice.
i call you stupid cause you are and i am sorry about it.
have a goodnight
>>334429772
Why would that start a riot
your a fucking idiot
>>334430221
This.
>>334429954
Here's the thing though. The players that used to play vanilla were at MINIMUM 12 years old 12 years ago.
The average age of someone returning is 24.
24 year olds have a lot more money that 12 year olds do..
The 24 year olds DESPITE their income, decide to play the free server.
Think about that for a second. It has nothing to do with the cost of the thing. It has everything to do with the fact that vanilla was objectively a better gaming experience.
It captured what an MMO-RPG is. It's not afking through instanced dungeon after dungeon. It's not 2v2 arena instances. It's not phased quests that make other players invincible so you can see the 'amazing story'....
It's a fucking breathing world where people have no choice but to interact and deal with each other.
>100k is 20% of 5 million
Whatchu smoking OP and where can I get some of that dank shit?
>>334430221
>Vanilla was shit.
I wouldn't say it was shit, but it was casual as fuck compared to its contemporaries and did lasting damage to the genre.
>WoW was at it's peak when Mists of Panderia came out.
hol up
>>334430221
Lol...
WoW was at it's peak during the second half of Wotlk.
There's a difference between what's legal and what's right. Piracy is illegal. Does that stop 90% of people from downloading games first and buying later if it's good?
A) BLIZZARD WOULD NEVER EVER RELEASE A 100% UNALTERED VERSION OF VANILLA
THEY WOULD FUCK WITH IT AND YOU KNOW IT
BLIZZARD ALWAYS LISTENS TO RETARDED VOCAL MINORITIES, GROUP FINDER AND FACEROLL EASY RAIDS WOULD BE BACK WITHIN MONTHS
B) BLIZZARD WANTS PEOPLE TO PLAY RETAIL BECAUSE BOX SALES ARE A GOOD PORTION OF THEIR REVENUE AND RETAIL HAS A CASH SHOP
THEY ARE JEWS TO THE MAX IF PEOPLE WERE TO SWITCH TO VANILLA THEY COULD END UP LOSING INCOME, WHICH THEY WOULD NEVER EVER TRY
C) "B-B-BUT ANON WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE PSERVERS THAT WOULD PAY"
STOP BEING SO RETARDED
NOT EVERYBODY PLAYING ON A PRIVATE SERVER WOULD ALSO PLAY ON VANILLA RETAIL
A LOT OF PEOPLE PLAY BECAUSE ITS FREE, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY PIRATE TRANSLATES TO A LOST SALE NOT EVERY PSEVER PLAYER TRANSLATES TO A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER
BLIZZ LEGACY SERVERS WOULD SPLIT UP THE VANILLA COMMUNITY
D) GOOD PSERVERS ARE FUCKING AWESOME AND ARGUABLY BETTER THEN RETAIL SERVERS BECAUSE OF MORE ENGAGED COMMUNITIES, HIGHLY MOTIVATED GMS AND A MORE FOCUSED EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS TAKING PLACE IN ONE REALM
STOP
ASKING
FOR
BLIZZ RUN
LEGACY
SERVERS
BECAUSE YOU REALLY ACTUALLY DON'T WANT THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE FUCKING HORRENDOUS
>>334429954
But anon I have money and I can afford a subscription, I was in Nost because the content was more enjoyable than current WoW, doesn't that make your entire argument of "people like Nost because they have no money and its free" invalid?
>>334411231
i think they're afraid that the player base will splinter way too much. how many players would actually choose current wow over tbc/vanilla/wrath. easily less than 50% and that cuts in to exansion sales, they could continue having all the sheep buy every new expansion for another 2 or 3 years before reaching critical mass and finally doing what players want
>>334430378
>It has everything to do with the fact that vanilla was objectively a better gaming experience.
That's an opinion not a fact.
>>334430506
>BLIZZ LEGACY SERVERS WOULD SPLIT UP THE VANILLA COMMUNITY
this guy gets it
>>334430380
WoW doesn't have 5 million players. Probably barely 1 million at this point.
>>334430221
>First off, private servers are ILLEGAL
Keep sucking that corporate cock you tremendous faggot
>Second off, Vanilla was shit. WoW was at it's peak when Mists of Panderia came out.
HURR EVERYBODY SHOULD SHARE MY OPINION AND IF YOU DON'T FUCK OFF!!!
>>334411231
They're making legacy servers , that's why they shut down Nostrarius
>>334430506
Word.
>>334430678
>Keep sucking that corporate cock you tremendous faggot
Look at this edgemaster, sticking it to the man!
>>334430550
they really don't seem to care, leveling especially, the game is laughably bad at low level
>>334430506
Yeah no. Blizzard would make more money with legacy, wouldn't fuck with them, and legacy and modern wow players are different groups who wouldnt switch.
>>334430378
>The 24 year olds DESPITE their income, decide to play the free server.
this is a huuuge point people miss
i played nostalrius over retail even though nost had hellish lag, stupid inflated prices on everything, overcrowded areas due to massive populations. that's how much i'd rather play vanilla/tbc even on some shitty server.
i would fucking LOVE to pay blizzard a full sub price for vanilla on a decent server with a healthy population
>>334430678
You dropped your hat.
>>334430506
I THINK I WANT LEGION, BUT I DON'T.
>>334430790
Do you still feel it when Blizzard's massive cock penetrates your anus, or does it just slide right in now?
>G-g-garrisons a-aren't like Farmville I swear!
>C-can't wait for Blizzcon, based Overwatch!
>>334430506
I think your right. If blizzard ever made vanilla. They would try to shoe horn a cash shop, buying max level characters, items and all kinds of junk into the game.
>if you like current WoW you suck Blizzard dick
>meanwhile private server cucks beg Blizzard for older, shittier versions of a shit game
pottery
>>334430793
Low level vanilla is fun as fuck
>>334430817
>release a legacy server
>nothing done on this server crosses over with your normal WoW account character
>few people playing on legacy server willing to play normal game and grind gold for wow tokens
>guaranteed subs and free money from the couple thousand people retarded enough to stay subscribed for no content
Honestly Blizzard's a pack of fools for not jumping on this opportunity.
>>334430076
How was I avoiding anything or moving goalposts? You said that you as a paying customer are entitled to the game for which Blizzard provides.
There are games that aren't sold anymore and all the servers have been shut down. What I am asking is do you feel people don't have a right to play those games?
>/v/irgins actually think petitions/complaining will solve anything
>>334431004
>implying I haven't been unsubbed since Shitaclysm
>implying I even bothered with anything Blizz has done since 2010
I come to these threads to make shitters like yourself rump rustled, pham. It seems to be working, too.
>>334431080
>What I am asking is do you feel people don't have a right to play those games?
do you have a legitimate license to it? if yes then yes you have the right to play if no then no you do not have the right to play it
>>334431096
Well they tried just making their own version anyway, and Blizzard stamped it out. So at this point there's little other option
>>334431036
meant retail is laughably bad at low level, vanilla leveling through pre-raid was great
This thread needs more Panda Flavor. Lorewalker Cho is my waifu
>>334431232
That depended entirely on your class and zone.
>>334431205
They didn't "make their own version" they pirated an older version of the game and wrote a shitty server code around it that any 5 year old could do
>>334431096
One of the original Vanilla devs tweeted out that he'd email the petition to Mike Morhaime if the petition hit 200k sigs. It might do fuck all but at least it's something.
>>334431205
>Blizzard stamped it out
>"let's put more time and effort into changing it"
>>334430817
>Blizzard would make more money with legacy
Source: you speculative ass. Blizzard is not a company that takes risks. If legacy servers could affect Legion sales they won't do it.
>wouldn't fuck with them
Have you played any Blizzard games in the past 5 years and have been following how they are patched? Have you heard about the recent WC3 and D2 patches and their problems?
>and legacy and modern wow players are different groups who wouldnt switch
And again: Source: your ass.
>>334431329
yeah thats some serious delusion if you think it'll even pass 150k, let alone if you think some shitty ex-Blizzard employee's word holds any sway
>>334431368
>If legacy servers could affect Legion sales they won't do it
Irrelevant since vanilla players weren't going to buy Legion.
>>334431420
It will reach 200k. It's at 105k a week after the fact and it requires literally nothing to sign.
>>334431536
I didn't buy Legion until I saw that they closed that shitty server
>>334431189
What then, do you think of the changes made to the DMCA to allow abandonware to be reverse engineer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware#Law
>The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) can be a problem for the preservation of old software as it prohibits required techniques. In October 2003, the US Congress passed 4 clauses to the DMCA which allow for reverse engineering software in case of preservation.
>
>"3. Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access. ...The register has concluded that to the extent that libraries and archives wish to make preservation copies of published software and videogames that were distributed in formats that are (either because the physical medium on which they were distributed is no longer in use or because the use of an obsolete operating system is required), such activity is a noninfringing use covered by section 108(c) of the Copyright Act."
>
>—Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for Access Control Technologies[71]
>In November 2006 the Library of Congress approved an exemption to the DMCA that permits the cracking of copy protection on software no longer being sold or supported by its copyright holder so that they can be archived and preserved without fear of retribution.[72][73]
This states that you are allowed to use old, abandoned software.
>>334430550
It's a pretty basic conclusion.
In retail WoW you had a mana bar that depleted quickly, you had a profession that made potions, that healed the mana. You needed these things to run instances well because a mana pot meant the difference between 8 heals until out of mana, and 10 heals.
In live, your mana bar regenerates faster than you can spend it while leveling, why bother with potions because mobs are extremely weak, and why even bother with gear because you out-level that stuff faster than you actually equip it.
One of these games was designed well. The other If re-released today would be laughed at.
Vanilla is a better game because it was actually carefully designed.
Retail WoW is just shoe horned feature after bandaid after bandaid. If I released a game today where there was a whole WORLD to explore but the most popular feature was to just run instanced dungeon after dungeon, or walk around in an empty lonely world. I'd be fired for the design. If I was the boss, I would fire the employee for the design.
It's pathetic.
It's OBJECTIVELY worse game design than vanilla.
It' just basic business man. Games have strengths and weaknesses in the market. Play to your strengths.
WoW had SHIT graphics even for its time, It had a SHIT questing system even for it's time. It had SHIT PVP even for it's time.
It's one strength was that it fostered community interaction, and they butchered that patch after patch they hacked away at it's only strength.
They tried to make it a "story driven game" with 'cutscenes' and phasing, with "Okay graphics" and "E-SPORT PVP"...They sold out it's only strength to try to make it something that' it's not, and they killed it by doing so.
This is the same company that is trying to implement Garrisons FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME despite the players shitting all over it
They don't have a clue what they're doing, they simply exist on good will and addiction built by previous, better developers.
>>334431582
It spiked once and stagnated at 100k, you're a fucking moron if you think it's gonna go any higher
JonTron has 2.4mil subscribers and most of the people who subscribe to him are so desperate for actual content from him they'll watch anything he puts out. That would mean basically nobody who watched his shitty video gave enough of a shit to sign it. Word of mouth doesn't mean jack shit.
I pre-ordered Overwatch a while ago. I didn't get into this weekends stress test. I've already bought the game but I've never played it. Meanwhile, most of my friends(who have stated that they aren't going to be buying Overwatch) have been in the Beta/Alpha and got into this weekends stress test.
It's become clear to me that Blizzard has lost any and all goodwill that they once had and are simply about the money. WoD was so awful because they wanted to meet quotas and deadlines instead of making a quality game. Legion is going to be the same. Blizzard sold it's soul to Activision.
Truly considering getting a refund on my pre-orders of Legion and Overwatch now.
>>334431720
>For the third time
Yeah man I hated Garrisons in MoP, I totally know what I'm talking about.
>>334431648
"preservation" and archiving =/= your thieving
>>334431648
They should seriously look to lawyering up, and fighting this.
>>334431805
Why do you even care for Overwatch? It's EXACTLY like Team Fortress 2.
>>334431368
doubt it matters. people who were playing in Nost probably had no interest in Legion so Blizz wasnt gonna make money there.
>>334431659
everything in this post is an opinion and it's painfull you're too far up your own ass to see it
>>334431863
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
>Original garrisons
>Shipyard garrisons
>Legion garrison class halls
>>334431927
and you should seriously look up what abandonware means, you retard. World of WarCraft never changed names, it's had 5 expansions. Expansions are NOT standalone games.
>b-b-but it doesn't feel the same!
FUCK
OFF
>>334431863
You're a fucking retard. He was clearly talking about the follower system. The second iteration was shipyards and the third is going to be champions in Legion.
>>334431945
Because I never played TF2 and I need a casual shooter in my life. CS has become boring for me and every other shooter is awful. I'm hoping Overwatch won't be awful but we'll find out.
>>334431863
>Shipyards aren't Garrisons
MY SIDES
>It has ships not followers, you see!!
>>334432075
>shipyards aren't part of the garrison
it takes a special kind of retard to be you
>>334431945
The characters are kinda cool anon
>>334431805
Seriously do it.
It will be a shit game anyway. They are no longer capable of designing good games without trying to milk out money from 'map packs'.
I gaurentee they are NOT going to be satisfied with a $40 upfront. They will sell heroes, they will sell map packs like CoD. They will sell Expos that open up new heroes.
They will add a cash shop. Sell ranks, Sell 'arena runs'.
Whatever they can.
>>334431648
That states it's not illegal to make backup copies but you still need a license to use it.
Do you not understand what it means to archive something?
>>334432160
Shipyards were another implementation of Garrisons added 2 patches later in order to keep them relevant, rather than abandoning the idea like the worthless shit that it was.
Legion Champions is their third attempt at adding a Garrison system to the current game
>>334432160
The follower system isn't garrisons. It's the follower system. Garrisons are the buildings.
Building buildings is completely independent of both the follower system and the shipyard. Again, you have an IQ of 45 and shouldn't be allowed outside or on the internet without supervision.
>>334432286
I'm surprised you can count that high baka desu senpai
>>334432286
>The follower system isn't garrisons. It's the follower system. Garrisons are the buildings.
LOL. It's all part of the same thing, just because they change the skin doesn't make it different.
The shipyard and class halls are just updated versions of the garrisons, a system which the community fucking hates
>>334411231
>no more than five bucks or something cheap
AND THERE IT FUCKING IS!
"Oh we'd totally sub to a vanilla server what are you talking about Blizzard!? But only if it's one third of the current price"
So that one fifth of the current player base actually becomes 1/15th when you look at dollar value, assuming every single nostalrius account subbed, which they probably wouldn't because you've come to some bizarre conclusion that the total number of accounts somehow equals the actual number of active players, despite Nost fags constantly denying this same luxury to Blizzards stats.
Fucking hell I hate Nost fags.
>the shipyard is a "2nd garrison"
>literally just another table next to your original garrison command table
some dumbass says Legion is the third iteration clearly on accident and you morons overreact this much
>>334431720
focus testing showed it would be addictive and easy to monetize
>>334432491
It is the third iteration of the system.
The 2nd iteration was Shipyards, where they slightly changed it so that your followers "died" when it failed, hoping that made it compelling content.
The entire system is dead in the water, yet they bullheadedly are doing it AGAIN
>>334432526
And reality showed it was fucking shit and the community resented it, yet they're gonna do it again, and think that by lowering the number of followers and adding the perks to an NPC rather than a building, it'll work
Pro-tip: It won't
>>334432594
>I believe anything youtubers say
They shouldn't have even let those dumb fucks into the Alpha, they should have known they'd make reactionary videos for free views
>>334432464
You're assuming Blizzard has the same marketing as an unpaid team of software engineers.
If Blizzard were to launch a legacy server the numbers would be MUCH higher than Nost ever was. Because A) the current retail crowd would venture a look to see what all the fuss is about...
and B) They would be hooked because vanilla is a superior game.
Can someone please explain to me how you - the consumer - would be hurt by legacy servers? Blizzard did fuckall with Warlords since it launched so it's not like you would lose anything if the devs worked on coding the legacy server. The content of current-day WoW would be unchanged since legacy servers would be separate from current-day. The consumer would not be hurt or inconvenienced in any way, shape, or form by the creation of legacy servers.
SO THE ONLY REASON ANY OF YOU CUNTS OBJECT TO THIS IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SIDE WITH A FUCKING CORPORATION. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU AGAINST THE CONSUMER SO FUCKING MUCH THAT YOU WOULD SIDE WITH THE MOTHERFUCKING CORPORATIONS WHO ONLY EXIST TO PROFIT OFF YOU IN SOME WAY.
THE ANTI-CONSUMER MENTALITY OF GAMERS TODAY TRULY
BLOWS
MY
FUCKING
MIND
AND I HATE ALL OF YOU FOR IT
Despite what everyone says nost still had tons of problems and bugs not to mention the scripts had to be redone from scratch due to the core. People were understanding because they are not paying for this shit and the developers are literally doing this for themselves and the players. Keep in mind some bugs took blizzard a very long time to fix and people paying 15 dollars a month will NOT be as patient or understanding. Also keep in mind 90% of the people who worked on vanilla have moved on to other projects or left the company completely.
The end result is an awful lot of work(which costs money) and questionable sustainability (thanks to them shutting down every fucking server as soon as they can)
Despite the large player base nostalrius(and others) had blizzard is at this moment in time, still believing it to NOT be as cost effective as making new expansions.
>>334432464
Hmm so you're saying its okay to charge full price for something that doesnt require future expansions only maintenance?
That sounds a little unfair since you know you will get all sorts of new content and I wont so why do we have to pay exactly the same price?
>>334432464
imo access to legacy servers should be included in the regular sub
>>334432718
Explain how it's different? It's fundamentally the same thing
>Go to a table
>Send your followers on missions to collect resources and items
>Go to an NPC
>Choose a perk you want to research (instead of a building to build)
It's the same fucking thing, it's false content to try and satisfy farmville loving morons who don't even play
>>334431987
actually i agree with him.
those are facts that you would know if you played vanilla or vanilla private servers but you don't so your opinion doesn't matter or affect how things are.
>>334432738
Current players migrating from one server to another doesn't equal a profit increase for Blizzard, especially not if as OP wants, the subs for that server are actually cheaper than regular retail.
>>334432391
>>334432408
Glad to see the quality of posters on /v/ hasn't changed over the years.
By your definition, the mining and herb "stations" in the garrison are part of the follower system. That's how retarded what you're saying is.
Follower system =/= garrisons.Also, I'm sure you retards think I'm defending the follower system or garrisons. I'm not. I just think the actual garrison aspect of WoD wasn't that bad. Building buildings and getting uses out of them is fine. What killed the game was a severe lack of content and an over-saturation of follower bullshit.
>>334432160
Am I retarded for thinking the "3 garrisons" anon meant the farm in MoP, WoD garrisons and Legion class hals?
>>334432786
This, it's the fucking worst. Especially when you go to the forums and you see people saying "I'm glad Blizz shut it down!" "I'm gonna actively report every private server now!"
Fuck these people
>>334432863
Ahh okay so now not only is Blizzard obliged to create Vanilla servers but they're not even allowed to charge their ordinary price.
You Nost fags don't ask for much do you.
>>334432872
the table's a placeholder, you're getting pissed off at literally nothing
keep taking that "moral high ground" though, I'm sure you're in on the development process and know it's not going to change
>>334432932
You're just arguing semantics, it's clear what was meant by the post, I won't bother arguing
>>334432889
>actually i agree with him.
good for you it's still an opinion just collective
>>334432786
It doesn't, but it pisses me off that these people are acting so entitled. It's Blizzards property they'll do what they want with it.
>>334433050
>it's clear what was meant by the post
Right.
>>334432941
>>334433016
Oh wow! They will re-skin the table into something new. TOTALLY not the same fucking system now.
>"moral high ground"
Where the fuck does morality come into this? I'm just saying the whole follower mission bullshit is shit, and they're re-hashing it again
>>334433082
do you know what opinion means?
why are you here arguing about shit you don't know?
>>334433134
>the follower system is bullshit
>a completely fine mechanic where you can take NPCs with you to help you quest is bullshit
sure
>>334433093
And Blizzard would not exist if it weren't for us gamers buying their shit. We are ENTITLED to the product we bought you fucking cunt fuck you.
>>334431987
Explain why I'm wrong.
Are you saying that WoW's strength was it's amazing questing?
Kill 15 boars? This is what brought it to 12 million subs?
Even fucking runescape had better questing than WoW.
What about the PVP? Did that get it to 15 million subs.
Hardly.
Graphics! You're saying that WoW had such good graphics for 2004 that it lured in that many people?
My only assertment is that WOW lured so many people to play because it had a level of community interaction.
DO YOU DISAGREE? Or do you think it was the amazing kill 15 boars questing that brought people in?
This isn't hard.
They sold their only strength out and that's a FACT.
If not then please provide some evidence to show that their questing was the reason why they got to 12 million subs?
Or perhaps it was their epic "wake lazy peons up" questline?
Due to the massive success of that quest line, they've invested the next 7 years making their quests cinematic, at the expense of the ONLY FUCKING THING THAT MATTERED... Player interaction.
>>334433000
Anon Blizzard can do whatever the hell they want, I dont really care THAT much if they release a classic server or not(do you understand?) but if they release a Classic server and charge full price for old content that would be unfair
Also calm down this issue isnt that big a deal
>>334433306
People hated the follower system right across WoD, it's not compelling in the slightest, it has no place in an MMORPG and should be in some shitty mobile app game instead.
All it does is encourages people to sit in their garrisons even more. It's nothing more than a shitty hook to try trick players into thinking they're still doing something worthwhile when there's no content left for them
>>334432930
Well atleast they can shut down the development for retail WoW that god aweful piece of junk, and save money there.
>>334433016
The table isn't a placeholder.
>Champions are todays followers.
>Troops are a modified version of ships. Just with health points instead of instant destruction upon failure.
>Class hall resources are basically garrison resources at the start of WoD
The ONLY difference is that there are a ***FEW*** quests tied into the table. Don't you just love having an RNG element to getting quests? Isn't that a fun feature?
No one would care about tables if they weren't mandatory. If the tables were like pet battles and arch, as in you can choose to do them or not and have no impact on your progression, then no one would give a flying shit. The problem is that they're fucking MANDATORY.
>>334411231
>>They could set up legacy servers and let people subscribe to play vanilla at a fraction of the current sub price
Stopped reading there. If they ever did Legacy servers it would be a full price subscription still, you have to be fucking stupid to believe otherwise.
>>334433454
If you think sending NPCs on missions something that was meant to be done before logging off to go do something else you're in some serious denial
That and the missions are useless garbage unless you have 20 followers with Treasure Hunter and a Level 3 Inn
>>334411231
>but it's clear there's a demand for Vanilla WoW
Not at a sub rate, no, there isn't. The only reason Nostalrius or any vanilla server is popular is because it's free.
>>334432464
LISTEN FUCKLORD IM GOING TO RESPOND TO YOU IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU SOUND, HOPEFULLY THE CAPS MAKE IT CLEARER TO UNDERSTAND
A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS DID THAT SHIT FO FREE BABY, FO FUCKING FREE, A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS, NOT A CORPORATION OF FAGGOTS.
NOW THESE BUNCH OF FAGGOTS DID THIS FO FREE, THEN THEY GOT MORE FAGGOTS TO COME ABOARD AND DO IT FO FREE BABY
NOW REMEMBER THIS IS STILL JUST A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS, ABSOLUTE GRASSROOTS BUNCH OF FAGGOTS, I'LL CALL THEM NORMIES TO MAKE IT EASIER
NOW THESE NORMIES WERE HANDLING THE COSTS FO FREE, THEY SET UP A DONATION BOX FOR A LIMITED TIME, PEOPLE DONATED AND IT HIT THE SMALL LIMIT THEY ASKED, NOW THESE NORMIES CLOSED THE DONATION BOX AND SAID THAT WAS ALL THEY NEEDED FOR SERVER UPKEEP
SO, NOW THESE NORMIES WERE KEEPING UP THE BIGGEST PRIVATE SERVER EVER, I THINK ABOUT 30 NORMIES, MAYBE LESS.
SO THESE CORPORATE FAGGOTS MAKING BULLSHIT EXCUSES ABOUT MONEY ARE SIMPLY LYING DON'T YOU GET IT?
THESE CORPORATE FAGGOTS ARE LYING TO YOU TO GET EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE DROP OF CASH THEY CAN
NOT ONLY SHOULD THESE LEGACY SERVERS BE INCLUDED WITH THE SUBSCRIPTION FEE, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T GIVE A GOD DAMN ABOUT RETAIL TO PAY EVEN LESS TO PLAY ON THESE SERVERS.
>>334414063
Water is free, son
>>334433498
>But there's key player power at the bottom of my Order Hall tech tree, so isn't that gated behind missions?
>Actually, no. As I mentioned in my post in the Alpha forums, what players are seeing in Alpha right now lacks context, admittedly because we haven't provided much. The research you can initiate in your Order Hall to unlock various perks, culminating in a strong player-power reward, requires Order Resources. Order Resources are not in any way gained through missions. You gain Order Resources from quest content: from the one-time Order Campaign quest arc, from treasures around the world, and at max level from outdoor world quests. If anything, missions are more likely to serve as an outlet for excess Resources once you have your research needs covered.
>>334433643
Not an argument, never been given the chance.
>>334433643
This isn't an argument AGAINST nost.
If the only reason they're playing it is because it's free... Then it's not threatening blizzard in any way financially.
They shut it down out of pure spite. OR.. they shut it down because it demonstrated clearly that Vanilla was a better game than the monstrosity they have made now.
>>334411231
>a player base close to a fifth of the current retail player base
yeah not even fucking close in anyway, shape or form. 14k vs 3-4mil is a massive differance.
also stop crying abuot private servers. Fuck RO private servers didn't go around the interwebs crying when they got shutdown.
Fuck that, I'd pay full subscription price to play official Blizzard vanilla servers. FULL FUCKING PRICE BLIZZARD. EVERY GODDAMN MONTH.
DO IT FAGGOTS.
>>334414384
Oh i love weekends and normie posts like this when you know how salty they are.
I can taste your tears even from the monitor
>>334433780
>never been given the chance
exactly because everyone's been doing it illegally.
>>334433683
hahahahahaha yeah clean water it's not something you pay right?
how is life in africa?
>>334433915
look at all this free water in my toilet, why would I buy this shit bottled
>>334433727
It's already been stated the the cache missions of WoD are going to reappear in Legion. The only difference is that you have to complete a table mission to get a quest to go kill some fucker in the world for it.
Again. It's M A N D A T O R Y.
>>334433643
>Not at a sub rate, no, there isn't.
Source? Proof? Anything?
How about the hundred of forum postings asking for legacy servers? Or people who ask in person at blizzcon?
>>334433973
you pay for it.
you know, I never played WoW, but this all reminds me quite a bit about the Renewal controversy in Ragnarok Online. Renewal completely revamped RO down to its core and made it into a shitty WoW clone. This turned people off so hard that many private servers labeled themselves as pre-Renewal and kept to a downgraded version of the game. Gravity eventually gave in and made official pre-Renewal servers, so yeah, I don't see why Blizzard can't do the same thing here and make Vanilla servers too.
>>334433550
I believe you that they would charge full price, I also believe people would get pissed at Blizzard for charging full price for older content.
>>334433643
free only reason blah blah free
>>334433973
what if you bottled the toilet water and sold it?
>>334414158
>grindy
You people wouldn't last long in other MMOs at the time.
>>334433825
>If the only reason they're playing it is because it's free... Then it's not threatening blizzard in any way financially.
if these neckbeards actually left their basements and got gainfully employed then they'd pay to play on blizz's servers. blizz ain't running a charity so they shut down the moochers.
>>334433683
>Water is free
>>334434009
>Class Halls are mandatory
Yeah you're right it's totally unreasonable that a major part of the expansion would be mandatory. Why the fuck should I have to do shit instead of sitting around in Org/SW all day
>>334416953
you are misquoting him and discrediting his words.
It's not stealing as long as it doesn't change possession
If those developers could code and learned this as craftmanship, they should be able to code something like uncopyable files? I don't know how this works, but it shouldnt be so hard, should it?
It's not my fault for it being possible, it's the creators fault for his product being faulty and unsafe.
Not my loss
>>334433016
How many times does Blizzard need to fuck you in the arse before you realise that what you're seeing is a symptom of a bad game?
It has happened OVER AND OVER and still you refuse to see what everyone else saw years ago. What's wrong with you?
>>334434042
>blizz provides legacy server
>fags sub for a month
>fags: "oh look a free server that does the same thing as legacy server"
>fags cancel sub
>blizz loses money because poor investment
>>334417339
I don't see vidya disscussion in here, do you?
And i bet there is a WoW or MMO general on /vg/?
It's not like REACURRING THREADS should be on /vg/ or something... dumb weekendposters
>>334434154
We're not talking about class halls you motherfucking mongoloid. We're talking about the follower system in Legion.
You faggots are legitimately retarded, aren't you?
>>334434268
>a symptom of a bad game
Couldn't be worse than Vanilla WoW
>>334433306
You know what's better than the follower system? The party system.
Why the fuck would I want an NPC follower when I can have a player follower?
>>334434321
>we're not talking about the class hall we're talking about a feature of the class hall
>calls others retarded
>>334434107
Anon listen I have enough money in my wallet for a subscription. Did you hear that? Did your brain process that information? I'll give you a second or two
...okay now I dont WANT to use that money on Warlords of Draenor or Legion! Take a second and process that as well.
BUT I would use it to play on a Vanilla WoW server! As in I would pay money! Did you get it? How I have money? And would use it on vanilla but not WoD or Legion? Hmm? Do you need me to repeat myself?
>>334434270
You stupidly underestimate the power of a safe/lag/bug free server
>>334434357
Really? You don't think Diablo 3 is worse than vanilla WoW?
Because the signs were there too. Everyone knew it.
>>334434468
>Anon listen I have enough money in my wallet for a subscription
oh i bet you do
/sarcasm
>>334434270
>blizz loses money because poor investment
I'm sure they can't afford it with that $800 000 000 a year they make
>>334412248
>steal shitty parts left over from the old rollercoaster
What parts? Nostalrius didn't use anything from Blizzard besides the actual front-end.
>>334417487
>>334417706
No it doesnt make sense, you can't generalize a fluid, flexible, non-constant anonymous internet subculture
It's pseudo-physological bullshit and generalizations are easy to make, yet impossible due to the rules of skeptic
>>334434504
>Vanilla
>bug-free
>>334434270
You do realize that if Blizzard actually makes these legacy servers almost all illegal ones would vanish in a week right? There would be no point to play on an insecure server.
We only do that because it is literally our only option
>>334434654
>didn't use anything from blizzard
>just the whole game
how do you people breath?
>>334434640
what they do with their money or how much they have in the bank is irrelevant
I have a VERY simple solution to everything.
Using the level lock locks you to that certain expansion.
If you lock at level 60, everything besides major cities becomes Vanilla. No dark portal. No northrend. No cata quests/changes. Everything is vanilla.
Locking at level 70 makes the world, besides Stormwind/Org/Shat TBC.
So on and so forth. I know actually doing something like this is probably impossible or would require a complete and total rework, but it gives everyone the best of both worlds. It makes WoW have a decade+ of actual content again.
>Leveling
>Lock at 60, find a 60 guild, progress through content.
>Complete 60 content, unlock, lock at 70, find new 70 guild, progress through 70 content
>So on and so forth
Imagine all of that FUCKING CONTENT compared to current WoW where the fucking previous tier is outdated as soon as the new one is released. My full BRF Mythic geared Disc priest is only marginally better than a full baleful gear disc priest. It's fucking pathetic.
>>334434584
man just how good is that Blizzard cock in your mouth?
>>334434640
bobby kotick will personally come punch them in the dick if they lose a shekel
>>334434735
>if legacy servers existed all illegal ones would shut down
[factual citation need]
blizzard is so fucking stupid. if they just set up a permanent vanilla server, they'd make millions more.
>>334432594
Except the systems demonstrably different.
>>334434721
>Strawman comic from a massive Blizzdrone
>>334434831
i like my blizzard products
can't say the same about you though so no one that matters cares what you think
>>334411785
>Buy your favorite candy bar one day
>It tastes funny
>check ingredients
>lots of things you don't remember
>go online
>"WE'VE RESTRUCTURED OUR CANDY BAR TO BE MORE DELICIOUS AND BETTER FOR YOU"
>...
>but you don't like the new taste
>"I just want the old candy bar back!" you and other candy bar enjoyers say
>"BUT THIS ONE IS BETTER" -Candy bar company
>Stop eating candy bar because you no longer enjoy it
>15 months later candy bar company comes out with "Candy Bar : Classic" edition.
FOOD ANALOGY
>>334416625
I don't know why either. Champions Online let's you jump from server to server at will and it works flawlessly. I don't see why they can't do the same.
I guess though is because of open world pvp might fuck up a server if to many people jump at the same time
nostfags pls go
nobody wants your shit
>>334434803
that's very easy solution. i'll vote you for nobel of peace and prosperity you fucking retarded faggot
>>334434640
Nope, they can't, how are they gonna pay all those manager checks, oh noes, i can't drive a Benz to work now, omigawd my status is falling!
>>334432786
Because I played Vanilla 10 years ago, and the only possible legacy server I'd want to play is WotLK, because going back from WotLK is fucking infuriating, as it was nothing but improvements, and going back to an inferior game would be awful.
>>334434914
actually they would lose money because they would never get their investment returned since the only people who want these servers are those who played the game illegally aka free-loading poorfag pirates
>>334434778
Not to me it isn't.
Go on, defend a video game company run by lawyers, marketers and accountants. Defend the prioritisation of money over art.
>>334434931
You're so brave for defending eating shit.
>>334434803
Maybe a while ago but wasnt there a stat squish a while back that completely ruined low level content forever? oh and lfg?
>>334415972
Are you implying old wow was not hardcore? Because at least TBC/Vanilla the raiding content was pretty god damn hardcore.
>>334435076
>Not to me it isn't.
good for you then
>>334434921
Explain how?
>Go to a table
>Select mission
>Put followers on mission
>Start mission using garrison.. sorry order resources
>Come back to see if it's been completed or failed hours later
>>334411231
>I only want to pay 5 bucks
Doubt any of you guys would actually pay for legacy servers, or grow bored in a month.
>>334435107
"wrangling a group of retards" isn't hardcore
>>334435086
There stat squish only takes place once you hit 90. LFG would either have to be removed or the new group finder tool thingy would be used for pre-wrath content.
Blizzard are jumping ship from the WoW train. If the complete lack of content that was WoD wasn't enough of an indication, their recent activity with Overwatch and the other games they've put out within the last 5 years should be a sign that they're moving on. The game still makes them money, but they have likely realized they can put in far little effort than what would be expected of them and their playerbase will still eat it up.
>>334435180
>Doubt any of you guys would actually pay for legacy servers
wrong
>or grow bored in a month.
People have been playing for a year
>>334427994
Legacy servers worked just fine in MMOs that offered them, so don't give up that bullshit. Blizzard has other motives for not releasing Legacy servers
>>334435180
this
legacy servers are a bad investment
>>334435180
>or grow bored in a month.
Which is exactly why people were playing nost for almost a year
Another idea they should have done at basically Cata, was to merge the servers increasing population...
Then make the expansions scale linearly after one another with little overlap.
So you have to be almost raid geared in vanilla (Or extremely good at playing your class) to do the BC starting quests.
Same with Wotlk, same with every expo.
So the previous contents raids and end game aren't instantly wiped when a new expo arrives.
>>334435263
>People have been playing illegally for a year without paying blizzard one dollar
ftfy
i bet if all the players of nost paid blizzard for time lost they'd be more open to legacy servers
oh who am i kidding you poorfuck freeloaders would never be that honorable
>>334435395
>honourable
>paying Blizzard over $150 for a service they refused to provide
Holy shit, how cuckolded by major corporations are you? People will pay for legacy servers
>>334435395
Based retard
>>334434985
We did go. and you hunted us down and killed what we built.
You son of a fuck.
>>334414279
>>334414158
>>334415019
Leveling in old wow was an adventure, the game was massive, there were huge zones to explore even as you leveled up, and you did it when you weren't raiding/grinding on your main toon so you could have a new character to play at 60 or 70.
I would play the shit out of TBC wow honestly, i loved the hell outa that expansion.
>>334435275
Pic related is ActiBlizz motive.
It is no coincidence that when Activision acquired Blizzard some time around WOTLK ending that the game slowly turned to shit.
>>334435292
Those frogs would be rolling in cash right now if they charged for Nost.
>>334434931
ok whatever
>>334435180
I dunno man you ever try a game franchise and really like it so you play the games that came out before it? Wouldnt playing on a Legacy server be sorta similar? Like going back and rediscovering the roots and stuff?
>>334435260
Hm better but then the next problem would be talents and spells that were vital during Vanilla no?
>>334435485
>People will pay for legacy servers
they used blizz IP for over a year and didn't pay into it at all. make repayments if you want your stupid game back.
>>334435574
>make repayments if you want your stupid game back.
This isn't the deal being put forward at all. You don't work for blizzard, you have no connection or stake in Blizzard no matter how much you suck their dick online
before i even bother trying to read this aids seeming thread
did i seriously see people saying "it's not against the law because they made some of their own scripts in the game!"
what the fuck about all the art, the names, probably the music, the characters? are people literally that retarded?
>>334434768
>just the whole game
What game? It's their fucking code. Not Blizzard's. They don't even have anything Blizzard related on their game servers besides ingame names and references.
>>334435574
>506
thank god no more of this shit on front page
nice arguments poorfags i'm sure you did a lot for your cause haha
>>334435395
People have been playing a game from 2004 illegally for a reason anon.it's 100% more entertaining
>>334435275
name subscription based mmos that have added legacy servers that have over 1m subs, or even 500k, i'll wait
>>334435350
Sure, but it will grow stale. Nost was going to release BC servers to keep people interested. What will Vanilla servers do to keep people playing them / warrant their continued server fees?
>>334412248
No, more like you copied their designs from 15 years ago. Stop using theft incorrectly
>>334435395
>honorable
>for paying a billion-dollar-per-year corporation for a product they didn't even supply
You might literally be the biggest cock-sucker on the planet
>>334434721
>No DKs
>No hairstyles that I wouldn't see anyway
>One hour CD on a hearthstone so I have to actually travel not teleport every 5 mins
Are these supposed to be bad things?
These comics are obviously made by the worst Blizz-drones imaginable
>>334418073
No one actually gives a shit about laws. 4chan has multiple boards about pirating and even /co/ has weekly pirate threads.
We also aren't going to feel sorry for you when you get caught breaking the law.
This is why everyone thinks you notralis fags are annoying. You broke the law, you got caught, you are not above the law. You're rights were never infringed. If anything you infringed someone elses rights. stop trying to act like you did nothing wrong and acting like some Crusaders of the light for your dated MMO feels.
You fucked up, deal with it and move the fuck on.
>>334435557
What's the point of this? That retail WoW players are retarded?
>>334435371
see that sounds hardcore and cool
>>334435395
>honorable
anon...how much "honor" is there in playing a video game?
>>334435829
well at least we figured out what he does for money to pay for his WoW subscription right?
>>334435557
I remember reading these years ago.
Are they really still going, and using the exact same 1 dimensional set of characters and awful strawmen in each comic?
Christ, these faggots need to move on with their life
>>334415019
It's not about the levels man.
Why do you want to get to the max level? For challenging content? For a progression system that works and doesn't make gear obsolete 5 mins after you get it? For player interaction.
Vanilla HAD that DURING the leveling experience. The whole game was 'the end game'. From fucking level 3, it was a life or death situation skillfully pulling those fucking thief cunts from that pumpkin farm behind the church.
If you found an ally you partied up because it literally meant the difference between life and death.
Found a health pot? LIQUID GOLD. This will be a lifesaver.
Everything mattered in the game. From level 1.. it was 'end game'.
The same reason you want to 'rush' to '60'... is the sprayed through the whole levelling experience in vanilla.
>>334435904
>missing the point this much
lol
>>334435776
Why do you people keep thinking this type of idea is going to cost Blizzard anything? Why do you think it's going to completely destroy their company if they do it?
Nost was created, handled, and paid for by a handful of people doing it in their spare time.
If these server DO die, which let's be honest they won't. They will just be like most current WoW servers, underpopulated.
Here's another reason why Blizzard should make these fucking servers. To help fight people bitching about content drought. Which if I remember correctly WoD is planned to have 14 months of nothing total until legion drops.
Why not have these servers for people to jump into so they can play this old content and experience it just as when it was originally presented?
>>334436030
>anon...how much "honor" is there in paying for a product
Not that anon but really?
Do you really need it explained to you why paying someone for their time/efforts is an honorable thing to do?
Lets look at this from a financial viability perspective.
Say Blizzard make a legacy server and allow access for $5US/month.
There was something like ~100k active human players on Nost.
5 x 100k = 500k
Now we factor in an estimate of the playerbase that grew up with/through vanilla who lost interest after the game developed.
Let's say this is another 1-200k because of solid marketing, a the players desire to revisit as well as ease of access with modern technology's increased capabilities.
So now we're looking at 5 x 2-300k = 1 to 1.5 million dollars.
Then of course we have to factor in the startup and maintenance of the server, but the costs vary so much it's hard to put an estimate on it.
Relative to their company's value this is not a great deal of money, notwithstanding it is money regardless. For a business so large I can understand why they don't pursue such a relatively small endeavour, however I do strongly believe they should consider communicating their point of view to their playerbase beyond the 'You think you do but you don't' comment.
>>334411785
Vanilla is shit you newfag. This game redefines broken.
>>334436114
This.
Vanilla was no about END GAME OR DIE. I spent ages leveling to 60 the first time, and took it slow on alts too.
I wasn't thinking "what's my maximum exp/hour I can get", I was chatting with people, doing dungeons and group quests because they were fun and I enjoyed playing with other people
>>334436203
>Do you really need it explained to you why paying someone for their time/efforts is an honorable thing to do?
Sorry but who are you paying for their time/efforts?
The developers of vanilla WoW? How many of them do you actually think still work at Blizzard?
>>334435910
that WoW players who played in Vanilla are retarded
>>334436161
What makes Vanilla viable to keep replaying, what will keep players coming back to it without content or updates.
>>334436427
>Sorry but who are you paying for their time/efforts?
For developing it. FFS what is wrong with you?
>>334428362
This was never funny, why do they still make this strip?
>>334436470
Why do people replay games from 20 years ago retard?
>>334434312
>I don't see vidya disscussion in here, do you?
Read the post above the one you quoted.
>dumb weekendposters
Ironic.
>>334436546
Who? Who do you want to pay? Can you not read?
Literally the only reason Blizzard doesn't want to open legacy servers is because it would show that the new content they created is so much worse in comparison to the old content that people would rather play on an older, shittier client, with all the gameplay problems that Vanilla WoW had, instead of playing the modern version.
That says a lot about the state of current WoW, doesn't it?
You see the 150k active accounts, Blizzard sees the 650k that created an account and didn't come back.
>>334436203
Hm I suppose I could have worded that better, I was trying to go for something along the lines of how does paying for a subscription affect the anon to the point of talking about honor online, or something like that
>>334436546
also jic Im not this anon >>334436427
>>334436470
>without content
I see you catababies have never experienced what real content is.
105k signs
https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community?recruiter=522873458
>>334436161
>Here's another reason why Blizzard should make these fucking servers. To help fight people bitching about content drought. Which if I remember correctly WoD is planned to have 14 months of nothing total until legion drops.
>Why not have these servers for people to jump into so they can play this old content and experience it just as when it was originally presented?
This is probably the best reason for making priv servers I've ever seen in one of these threads. Have an upvote and a kudos.
most people that played vanilla didn't know about talents or proper stats for their class until almost the release of bc, i mean for fuck sake hunters didn't even stop rolling on random weapons for 4 expansions, in fact they had to take weapons away from them entirely just to make sure they only use bows and get the idea
and nost did steal from blizz, 'scripts' of their own means shit, when they stole ALL THE FUCKING ART, MUSIC, CHARACTERS etc
and stop trying to fucking say 'blizz could make so much money! 150k people played this FREE game, so surely they'd pay to play it!'
fuck off, people pirate like ANYTHING regardless of the cost that's like saying everyone pays for winrar when their trial runs out
i have carried like 5 years worth of guilt for ignoring that fucking winrar 'you should probably pay for this now' message
there is probably some people that would pay to play wow classic, but blizz would have to pay for the cost of the new server, the cost of people to staff it etc
but please don't say 150k people would move from nos to retail if money became involved, that's just not true, that's literally saying people that like games they pirate end up buying it, for real! a vast majority of people fucking do not end up paying for things they like, and you all fucking know it, or you'd pay for fucking winrar after the first month
>>334437156
>and nost did steal from blizz, 'scripts' of their own means shit, when they stole ALL THE FUCKING ART, MUSIC, CHARACTERS etc
But they didn't steal any of that, the client they distribute is the same one that was freely distributed in vanilla days.
They created their own scripts and server code, and the client itself was already free.
>>334437156
If it was just about playing for free, they'd play one of the WoD private servers.
The cost is about 3 pints of beer, or a trip to the cinema, it means nothing to most people.
>most people that played vanilla didn't know about talents or proper stats for their class until almost the release of bc
So?
>but blizz would have to pay for the cost of the new server, the cost of people to staff it etc
They have enough people employed to staff World of Warcraft for 10 million players. They currently have ~3-4 million players estimated on live. It's pretty easy to share GMs, Nost had people doing it for free
>>334436901
150k active non paying people! only 100k people signed a free, hardly any hassle petition that got shilled and linked everywhere
but yeah.. they'll totally pay money to play it when they don't even all care about trying to save a free thing
>>334436901
GUESS WHAT, THEY CAN IGNORE THAT!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>334436627
Vanilla is a MMO, this isn't your N64 classic. Vanilla needs something going for it for players to keep wanting to do the same raids, the same dungeons, the same gearing and the same processes over and over. WoW updates and changes, offers expansions of content.
If your method worked, Blizzard would have never bothered to update their game.
>>334437156
>i have carried like 5 years worth of guilt for ignoring that fucking winrar 'you should probably pay for this now' message
>>334437417
>>334437423
True, but even government legislation has been passed with less. 100k is a lot of signatures.
>>334437156
>but please don't say 150k people would move from nos to retail if money became involved
No, the number of people who would play vanilla is significantly higher than that.
