Justify this, weebs
We've gone beyond paid DLC and pre-order bonus. Now you have DLC locked behind signing up for a credit card.
>>333359286
>FGC members not having credit cards
>>333359447
Japanese FGC are basically homeless because they spend 24/7 at the arcades. Daigo got in some trouble with the Yakuza for not paying his debts.
>>333359286
Isn't this the same game that some guy kept rolling for a blonde hair blue eye avatar and it set him back like $11,000?
>>333359286
>doesn't know you can apply any kind of image on your card in the west
>>333359735
Probably, tough that's just a mobage thing in Japan, people regularly spends a few thousands to get a single character
>>333359286
>DLC
>for a mobage
you don't know what you are talking about
>>333359286
why can't I get black lotus in my deck? fucking DLCs!!!
>>333359447
>>333359618
>FGC
Is this a new wordfilter?
Some kind of moonpeople gaming clan?
>>333360106
Fighting game community
>>333360106
Are you underage?
>>333359735
Doubt it. Certain events roll around during the calendar year that allows you to spend $30 to bypass rolling and pick and choose the character you want.
>People act like credit cards are literally evil incarnate
Its how you use it
I feel no pity for poor saps that get themselves into massive debt. You knew what you were doing.
GBF player here, played since September last year, and I think I'm already sick of it. Haven't log in for days. So this news doesn't mean anything to me.
Grande is A-grade cute though.
>>333360205
The character he was rolling for was a limited card only available from rolling during specific times. You can't buy it directly unless you start a new account at the time she was available.
>>333360205
No that is not the case here. The character (pic related) is limited. Limited characters can not be bypassed by spending $30 to get them, you have to get them by rolling.
The thing about this character is, it's a special kind of limited. You see, every other limited character comes back at least once a year. But the monkey is part of a series of limited characters based on the zodiac. She shows up rarely throughout the year, and if you don't get her by new years, she is gone for 12 years until the next year of the monkey and replaced by another zodiac character based on the rooster.
It's insane.
tl;dr
If you ever tought about starting GBF, just forget it, the airship is burning and falling
>>333360293
Problem is its a scummy credit card. If you cancel it soon after you get it, they give you a back credit score. If you don't use it, they also give you a back credit score. If you use it, the interest rates are higher than average.
And they're advertising this to people who spend thousands to get a single character. They're not people known to be responsible with money.
>>333360539
She looks like every other anime dark elf
>>333360851
>Using a credit card based on the APR
Literally what the fuck are you doing tier
>>333360681
>ever getting into GBF
Not even the English version will save it.
>>333360851
it's not different from other reward cards where you use points to claim gift cards and shit, instead you use your points to claim in game crap
no one is forcing you to get the card, no one is forcing you to get the character
what the fuck is dlc in a f2p game anyways?
>>333359286
>caring about mobage
fuck I always read twitter shit backwards
>>333360919
>Elf
>Human ears
Are you retarded?
>it's not different from other reward cards where you use points to claim gift cards and shit
This is the only way to ge the character. Gift cards and other rewards are available in other ways.
>get card
>don't buy anything on it
>???
>PROFIT
I guess. or something.
Still pretty fucking faggy.
>>333359735
This sounds similar.
We had someone rack up 10k+ with the Yakuza and failing to pay it back for Scathach.
Wasn't this the game where some Jap dude spent 3k real money to get some ultra rare character at christmas time?
is there anywhere with all the character art ripped from the game?
>>333361235
What happened to him?
>>333361258
It was for >>333360596
>>333361194
you didn't read the thread did you?
>>333361258
Yeah there was that time Nakamura spent a lot to roll the character, but no one raised an eyebrow at the time because he's famous
>>333359286
Why does the JP FGC community have a stake in a mobile not-fighting game?
>>333361321
Here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AMaVEsvS5SmUvIhQA47ATPccJXLP1PfUUIBcWUMU0aw/edit#gid=2034008196
>>333361328
He just went dark on his twitter and that's the last anyone's heard from him.
I had minor interest in this game at one point, then found out it's yet another fucking mobage RPG with RNG rollshit
>>333361398
They happen to like mobile games too
>>333361403
thanks
>>333360596
But sheep zodiac girl was able to be purchased in the dash around/just after new years before she disappeared
>>333361398
They won't be able to go to EVO because they spent too much on mobile games
>>333361516
You could ROLL Anira around new years for the last time, she was never in start dash/ticket unless you started during a legfest
>>333361486
I just find it weird that he singled out the JP FGC considering it's definitely going to spread farther than thatalso I just realized that my original post is read as Fighting Game Community community
>>333361132
>This is the only way to ge the character
and what of it?
you are not missing out on anything if you don't have this character, you can't expect to have every single card in a real ccg so why do you think you are entitled to this? Cards where you can only get at a tournament are dlc or something?
>>333361610
He's a fighting game player and most of his followers are too, that's just why
>>333361610
Probably something like most of the Japanese folk who play vidya he follows are FGC folk or whatever
>>333361636
This is a terrible analogy
>>333361650
>>333361695
Ah ok.
>>333359286
It's looks cool.
I'd take one.
>>333361516
No, that is the start dash, which is different. If you start the game when a character is in the pool, they'll be in your start dash pool and you can get them at any time.
The thing is if you got the sheep that way, there would be no way to get the monkey since you used the start dash to get the sheep. As an even bigger fuck you, the sheep and the monkey have an event if you own both of them that boosts both of their stats by a lot.
>>333361725
At least it wasn't a food analogy.
>implying this isn't the best vidya tie-in credit card
>>333361590
How many zodiac characters are there?
>>333361014
It's a character that you can use in your party. Imagine you're playing an RPG and want to build a strong party, but some of the best characters you could recruit are locked behind microtransactions. And there's constantly new, more difficult content balanced around optimal parties. And it's multiplayer, so you're constantly trying to stay on par with other players who might be more willing to spend money than you.
All mobile game RPGs are like this, but GBF gained some popularity by letting you build optimal parties relatively cheaply, attracting people who are fine with spending $30 twice or thrice a year if it lets them play with the characters they want. Suddenly that isn't enough anymore.
Also add to it that this is an extremely popular and highly anticipated character that's been teased for ages. For people who had their eyes set on her from the start, it's practically extortion.
>>333361857
You can't be expected to try every food in a real life setting, what about food on the other side of the world where they only accept mongolian cave paintings?
>>333361108
So do I. Twitter is so fucking retarded. Glad it's dying.
>>333361909
is that the credit card i'm supposed to use to buy cheats
>>333361929
Right now there are 2. There is gonna be a new one every year for a total of 12.
>>333361725
>>333361969
you are not expected to have every single card in these types of games and not having them doesn't impact your game
you can only use 5 characters at a time to begin with
of course I doubt you actually play the game or know what you are talking about
you just feel entitled to have everything?
I'm confused what game is this?
>>333361929
So far just Anira(sheep) that appeared regularly during legfests in 2015 and Anchira(monkey) for 2016, but she only appeared in january because the company was caught red-handed on their bullshit
>literally people in this thread defending this
Alright fuck it video games are dead
>>333361194
The card is designed so if you don't buy anything on it, you get a credit blacklist. If you cancel it soon after registering it. You get a credit blacklist. If you use it, you get fucked over by the interest rates.
The only way this works is if you have lots of money and don't go into borrowing on it. But that's the key thing. Most people into these games DO exactly that.
>>333361969
>but some of the best characters you could recruit are locked behind microtransactions
the fuck, you are talking about a f2p mobage that is based solely on microtransaction
or are you telling me you expect to get all the characters you want just being f2p
delusion or stupidity
>>333362112
>video games
>thread is talking about a p2w mobage
>>333362065
Grandblue Fantasy, it's crashing and burning.
>>333362078
Sheep didn't start showing up again after her new years release until the end of may. They will probably do the same with monkey.
>>333362121
The point here is that even f2p can ATTEMPT to get the character, but not in this case, you aren't gambling for a character, you just straight up buy it with a credit card
>Laws still haven't labeled this shit as gambling
How much are the politicians getting paid?
>>333362121
Did you read my whole post? I'm one of those people who are fine with the occasional $30 microtransaction, which was a huge selling point for me since I was sick gacha games. But you literally can't defend having to sign up for and regularly use a credit card to access in-game content, that's a whole new class of scumminess.
>>333362061
There are several characters that are necessary for each element in the end game. Are you sure you play it?
>>333362354
>stopping the Yakuza
They are the law.
>>333362240
>https://www.smbc-card.com/nyukai/affiliate/monsterhunter/index.jsp
oh no, they give you some platinum ticket if you sign up for the monsterhunter credit card
what an outrage!
>but not in this case
so what? it is not like some OP character that will break the game and instead of it being in the gacha where people have to spend thousands to get it they just sign up for a credit card, if anything this is the easiest SSR to get
Somehow I'm not surprised to see people here defending mobage microtransaction infested garbage. Fuck this underage filled board
>>333362112
Seems pretty standard for mobile culture. Just don't support it.
>>333362354
They got in huge trouble for it, and you know what was done?
They made it so that if you do 300 rolls you are allowed to chose a character you want.
Guess how much 300 rolls costs.$700
>>333362354
Actually recent fuck ups of the company are triggering more government actions, apparently they now want to ban gacha as a whole
>>333362393
>There are several characters that are necessary for each element in the end game
Are you saying you NEED to have this particular character or else you wouldn't be able to play the game? Fuck off
>>333362112
Nah, /v/ is dead.
>>333362462
> it is not like some OP character that will break the game
Please at least educate yourself on the subject matter if you plan on arguing, the game already has characters that are(or were) almost broken, you can guess how this is going to play out
>>333362061
OK, let me explain why your analogy is retarded
A trading card game has REAL PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS that the publishers of the game cannot change. You cannot own every cards because they are limited. They are limited because cards need to be printed, and they cannot be printed indefinitely. The publishers can't just print every card for every persons in the world who wants them. Even if they did, cards could get lost or damaged.
A character in a video game is digital. It has no real limitations. It is artificially limited through some mean, usually by only being obtainable during an event. If the publishers don't put a limit, then there is none. Pikachu is a character in Pokemon. There is no limit on Pikachu. You can have as many as you want. You can get a new Pikachu anytime you want. This is how digital content works. There are infinite Pikachus. But in this game, there aren't necessarily infinite characters. Once the event is over, no more copies of this character are ever made.
A trading card also has formats. They know that old cards can be hard to obtain or can be too weak or powerful. Therefore, formats exist where old cards are banned and only currently printed cards are allowed. If they want to have an old card be allowed, then they reprint, so old players can keep using their old card and new players can get the reprint. Players are not disadvantaged because they can't get an old card.
Granblue, and most mobile games, has no such thing. You need the best characters to be the most effective, simple as that. And those characters can be in timed events and can be missed forever.
Lastly, there has never, ever been a trading card game that had an exclusive card that could only be obtained by signing up for a credit card.
>>333362530
How did you guess? Eceleb threads? 10 threads at the same time related to the new dank meme controversies?
Does it actually have that high of an interest rate? Like what is the actual percentage here. Not trying to defend what is obviously one of those shitty cards they get college freshmen and poor idiots to sign up for to fuck em with debt, but i just want to know how badly someone would fuck up by signing up
>>333362497
Otakus ruing everything for everyone all again
>>333362516
You're moving the goalposts. You're physically able to play the game without them, but the game is designed around the assumption that you have an optimal, meaning you'll ultimately have a shitty experience without being able to try out the newest and hardest content if you don't have those characters.
>>333362602
so you are just assuming then
>>333362623
the point is there are rare trading cards that you can only obtain by doing something else, like joining a tournament or being at a special event or watching a movie so you can complain all you want about not being able to get them or having to spend money to get them
and if you actually read about this credit card thing they are going to give you a serial code to claim that character so people will probably scalp it, just like how they can scalp some rare trading card obtain by doing whatever the fuck
>>333362701
I could tolerate all of that if /v/ had some decent vidya discussion on the side. This board is cancer incarnate.
>>333362849
I suggest you make a thread about vidya instead of crying like a baby then
>>333362757
no, my point has always been that you whiners just feel entitled to have everything and you are seriously dumb if you think you need any one particular character "to be able to try out the newest and hardest content"
>>333362825
Joining a tournaments or going to movies don't include signing up for binding contracts that may fuck you up economically.
>>333362497
Are you telling me that Cygames are indirectly saving mobile gaming by fucking up so much that the government are forced to take action against their scummy practices?
Truly the hero we deserve.
>>333362937
Isn't this the plot of Code Geass?
>>333362932
did you not read the rest of it you fuck? they are giving serial codes to claim the character if you sign up for the card
you don't need to sign up for the card if you just want to buy the code
>>333362751
>Wanting shit like gacha to stay around and inspire overseas imitation
This shit exists solely to keep pushing the boundary of what they can get away with. They pay big bucks for psychologists and research into how best to abuse their customers. They make the gambling cartels of old look like fucking amateurs.
I'm glad I never started with this game.
Some of my friends still tell me to try it out, but the more I read about it the more I just want to avoid it. After trying out Fate/GO I started to avoid Gacha-based games like the pest. They're just boring, manipulative and just made for easy money.
Why can't japan just make a decent browsergame for once and gain money in a honest and healthy way like most western browsergames do? KC as example was atleast to some extend and for a period of time fun, but it was just another money grab just much more sneaky.
Nah man, I will stick with their console games instead.
>>333362497
Just the digital stuff or the real ones too
>>333359286
what the fuck is grandblue fantasy?
>>333362825
>the point is there are rare trading cards that you can only obtain by doing something else
Those serve no gameplay purposes. Those are collectible items that are either banned in tournament or just a regular card with a special art.
>>333362117
do you retards realize that you only pay interest when you don't pay your balance? if you charge $50 on the card and pay $50 at the end of the period, technically the bank is paying you interest if anything
>>333359286
>granblue fantasy
Literally what?
>>333362489
Jesus fuck.
>>333363005
Meme magic is real
>>333363076
and you guys are just going on the assumption that this character is some OP character that you can't live without
by which you guys are complaining about p2w in a p2w game
stupidest thing I've ever heard
>>333363054
Here's the thing anon, the game IS fun, and just like your shitgirls example, for a time period it was fun, it was fair and pretty generous, hell even to this day there are some generous events, but then you have this shit, at this point I wouldn't recommend it to anyone
>>333362907
Did you even read what he wrote?
>>333363063
A Japanese mobile game with pretty good production values and fucktarded greedy management at the forefront of every big mobile game scandal for the past year.
>>333363182
That he is assuming you need this one character to be optimal? Yeah, pretty stupid huh
>>333363063
>>333363136
trying too hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyYtfHLIM5g
>this is the "game" thats causing a huge commotion
Holy shit mobile games are cancer.
>>333363139
Yeah it's crazy.
Here is the zodiac sheep btw
>>333363054
fgo has good drop rates tho, I've played for a month f2p got 2 5 star and 14 4 star servants.
Did Granblue ever get an english release?
>>333362701
Cmon now son the ecelebs have died down a lot lately.
Can't even remember the last time I saw a grump or tbf or dunkey thread. Based bunny admin trying to save /v/, one thing at a timetoo bad he won't save it
>>333362112
*mobile games
Fixed for you
>>333363174
>and you guys are just going on the assumption that this character is some OP character that you can't live without
It's not an assumption, dumbass.
Even if it WAS an assumption, it's STILL a gameplay element not obtainable in other ways
>by which you guys are complaining about p2w in a p2w game
It's not p2w. Or rather, it wasn't before.
>>333363342
5 days from now.
>>333363346
>Can't even remember the last time I saw a grump or tbf or dunkey thread
Trump was yesterday, saw grumps last week
>>333363342
It's coming out monday
Oh, and only Japanese citizens are eligible for this credit card.
not even the best cygame
>>333363008
Someone has to get the serial code in the first place.
>>333363359
>gacha game
>not p2w
fuck off
>It's not an assumption
what are her stats smart guy?
lovelive vita game comes with a code to get special card in mobage, oh god fucking dlc
cinderella girls cd comes with a code to get special card in the mobage, oh god fucking dlc
tales of games comes with codes for various tales of mobages, monsters hunter vidya comes with codes for it's mobage etc etc
is this your first fucking mobage or something?
>>333363402
I wouldn't say trump is an eceleb, a meme yeah, but not an eceleb.
Did it even reach half the bump limit?
>>333363341
Gacha games hate me. I played it for a month and got 3 star at max.
>>333363180
You can enjoy the game just fine without buying in to get said character in the OP
>>333363485
gachas aren't p2w, look at something more gameplay oriented like msgo or llsif. time played > money spent
>>333363580
I know and that's what I have been doing so far(fuck suprise tickets) but it's getting harder and harder to getn any enjoyment out of the game with things like this happening
>>333359286
WTF is a "credit blacklist" any why would you get on one for canceling a card in good standing? Is this a US thing?
>Getting a credit card for a mobage
Almost as bad as being affiliated to a sarakin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarakin
>>333363530
fucking how though? when you roll 10 you get a guaranteed 4 star servant. plus they give out saint quartz like crazy.
>>333363485
>>gacha game
>>not p2w
Your weapon pool constitutes to most of your damage/health. Having the ultimate team isn't going to save you from doing peanuts for damage.
>>333363580
nah man, you NEED her to build your optimal team or else you wouldn't be able to do some content, you must have her
>>333363596
well I'm hearing different things now, because I heard you need access to all characters or else you wouldn't be able to do content, so do you NEED this fucking "DLC" character or not?
>>333359286
What's stopping people from getting the card and never using it for anything?
Anyone playing mobage is a subhuman anyway. Let them burn.
>>333359286
is this game out globally?
>>333363694
then who gives a shit if you can't get this character? do you whine when you can't get the character you want from the gacha too?
>>333363812
English setting comes out monday
>Someone on /v/ actually just spent an hour of their life defending a company making you sign up for a credit card to get an in-game character
>>333363754
reading the thread
>>333363243
Not really. Most mobile games die unknown and forgotten. Hell, there is even articles out there from developers blaming US for their studio's death.
Games like Grandblue are few and far between.
>>333363754
you have to or incur fees.
>>333363709
depends on the game. if by content you mean story, then yes. if you mean actual gameplay progression, no.
for instance in fgo, the game is fully playable without ever spending a dime. however, if you really want to read tamamo's side quest scenarios, you would need to roll her.
>>333363341
Not as good but I started Granblue around xmas last year and have about 15 SSR's f2p.
>>333363817
Some people just want to use a team of cuties.
>>333363891
I had a card from the same bank with the same plan. You only have to pay a yearly handling fee (~250 yen/year) if you don't actually use it. Is this one different somehow?
>>333360539
Tell me how to change the language to English. I've stopped playing since I finished tutorial because I was pissed off on how stupid am I to not even able to change the text to English, goddamn.
It can be played in English now, right?
Why is Japan upping Bobby on the Jew game, /v/? Can Japan's jewishness be stopped?
This is the face of a defeated man. He's out of ideas to safely milk the consumer of delicious money while Japan is putting waifufags to slaughter.
>>333363867
ive gotten a credit card before for a fucking baseball jersey. lemme just tell you that getting a cc for dlc is just as ridiculous but ain't out of the realm of possibility.
>>333363709
Most of the endgame content is multiplayer based. I'll be fine without x exclusive character.
>>333364059
5 days.
>>333363243
That looks pretty damn bad.
>damage numbers are fucking green
They couldn't even get the most basic of things right?
>>333364071
Westerners can't into waifus, they were defeated before it even began.
>>333364124
Thought it was March 16 or something? Oh well, time to uninstall for the time being.
>>333364148
Damage numbers are based on element.
mfw they've done this to my most beloved fighting game and its purely a single player grindthat is 90usd to unlock one character
>>333364148
color of the numbers depends on the attackers element you retard
>>333364158
Overwatch is doing fine, but that's an actual game and it's priced at $40.
What the fuck is a mobage? Is it like one of those terrible phone games where you get a bunch of dragons or whatever and then fuse them? And you can randomly lottery for really OP ones?
Gacha games are dumb. Why would you grind for or spend real money on a CHANCE to get something?
If I grind out the currency or buy it with actual money, I should get what I want!
>>333364213
>>333364239
That only makes it more shitty.
>>333363867
>defending
they are jews but I don't see how this is any worse than what they have already been doing
if anything just signing up for a cc with no annual fee to get a SSR that you would need a lot of money or luck to get is down right generous
if people are going to get a credit card to get a digital character then they would be spending a lot of money for said character in the gacha regardless
I have never spent a dime on this game and I never will but people whining about this are just entitled fucks who don't know how mobages work, especially since this is nothing new
>>333364279
Yes
>>333362050
No, it's to remind you of how much debt a certain character has...
>>333364279
yes
>>333364291
Gambling addiction.
Aside from these games being free to start and on mobile devices, I mean...how can anyone who's not 12 be interested in them? They're mechanically decades old. These games wouldn't be cutting edge in the 90s.
>>333363580
Well obviously, since she isn't even out yet. But if you'd played any mobile RPG for long enough, you'll notice the strategy of powercreeping: Introduce a really strong new character to bait people into spending money, then introduce gradually harder content until that character goes from OP to bare minimum necessary to clear the newest content.
It's really common and actually an understandable strategy if they do it slowly and don't make people fuck themselves over trying to keep up with the powercreep.
With this, GBF is very quickly turning from a game where you can definitely stay on top of the powercreep by buying a surprise ticket once or twice a year, to a fucking whalefest.
>>333364409
Waifufags
>>333364415
>With this, GBF is very quickly turning from a game where you can definitely stay on top of the powercreep by buying a surprise ticket once or twice a year, to a fucking whalefest.
actually if history is any indication, cards attached to external items usually suck, see the stats on any lovelive cards you get from magazines/games/whatever or in any other fucking game
of course you wouldn't know since you are just talking out of your ass
>>333364409
>everything has to be deep to be good
I guess Pong is shit because tennis simulators exist.
>>333364097
It shouldn't be allowed because it's just going to lead to worse shit.
>hours of gameplay are locked behind getting this CC! You just have to spend $100 on it to unlock the gameplay!
>>333364229
Well that game is shut down anyway.
>>333364229
I always forget that. SP pay stuff confuses me.
But if it's MP you have whales.
>>333364343
You are just moving goalposts now because you got called out
>>333363681
>guaranteed 4 star servant
Uh... no. Unless you're referring to the new tutorial roll they recently introduced (which he wouldn't have been able to do if he started a month ago), 10 rolls only give you a guaranteed 4* CE. They tell you it's guaranteed to be a 4* or above servant/CE, but it actually has the same chance to be a servant or a 5* as any roll. Which is really fucking low.
>>333364502
no one asked for your opinion frogposter
kill yourself
>>333363243
>posting the tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIVCg2QLSI
>>333364378
Or its the obsessive going into this game with the intent on trying to get every character in the game
>>333364505
>muh slipydipy slopeywopey
I always laugh at these kind of suggestions. Why? Because:
1. It assumes people are going to actually do it
and
2. It assumes that it's going to be profitable to do it
and
3. They're not forced to do it
and
4. People will still make games without it
and
5. People will purposely advertise their game as being without X or Y purposely so people like you buy it
Asia has a different mindset to the West. It's why lots of MMO's take years if not decades to get to the West, because we're different. It's why Kingdom Underfire 2 isn't here. Why Lost Ark Online won't be here till 2017 at the earliest. Why Lineage Eternal won't be here for awhile. Why Devillian is flopping. Why Archeage died.
>>333364731
>going into this game with the intent on trying to get every character in the game
How much money you got?
>>333359286
Pretty neat card desu. If only I had a good credit score.
>>333364071
Japanese consumers are too complacent. Westerners let themselves get jewed sometimes, but when they catch on they get really fucking vindictive and want nothing more than see the company burn. Japanese people let themselves get jewed and then they're like "o-oh, I guess this is what it's like to be a consumer, at least I'm helping stimulate the economy. Can't blame them, I guess, they're just looking out for themselves and these are tough economic times".
>>333359286
Is it a code?
If I could apply for it, sell the code, and build Japanese credit at the same time that might be cool.
>>333359618
>daigo go into trouble with yakuza
tell me more faggot
>>333362117
Sounds like shit. Which bank is backing this card anyway?
>>333364415
You aren't devoid of earning currency so you'll still be able to roll characters to compete with powercreep.
If your luck is bad then re-roll.
Do japs even use credit cards? My brother went to Tokyo and he still had to use paper currency everywhere.
>>333364291
>Why would you grind for or spend real money on a CHANCE to get something?
Because people are prone to focus on the prize rather than the odds. The gacha banners always show you what you want to get, not what you're likely to get, and I can guarantee you that anyone spending money are expecting the favorable result while trying to ignore other possibilities.
>>333364291
Tell that to Hearthstone players. Or any collectable card game for that matter.
>>333364913
Don't see how this is any different than westerner applying for a casino credit card that gives you some free poker chips, if you are going to squander your money may as well get some bonus out of it to keep squandering
At this point the tear shop is going to make or break the game for me, I might just resort to doing events do I can read the plot
>>333365087
Only for online shopping.
>>333361398
wow, people who play fighting games happen to enjoy other games!
>>333364913
I guess that's the "Asian mindset" mentioned in >>333364813 that's so different from the west.
>>333364409
For the reasonable, it's for the freely accessible, never-ending, and frequently updated story narrative surrounding sets of oh-so-quirky characters.
For the unreasonable, it's for the endless grinding and gambling addiction.
>>333365119
Well I suppose that's a risk you are well aware of when playing card games. Which is why I don't play them.
It's weird to apply it to RPGs where usually you grind toward goals, not get them by random chance.
>>333361108
>>333362005
Yeah bros! It would be smarter if they put the newer tweets at the bottom! It'd read just like a book!
>>333364813
>>muh slipydipy slopeywopey
>implying it isn't true
Do you honestly think the fact that we have in game content locked behind a fucking credit card is not proof that the slippery slope is real?
>>333365282
>It's weird to apply it to RPGs where usually you grind toward goals, not get them by random chance.
unless you are farming for rare drops where you are at the mercy of rng anyways
>>333364291
It's much more exciting to get a CHANCE of getting a prize than actually getting it.
>>333364913
Explain to me how did it happen that people started suing them after the monkey incident if japs are so wlling to get fucked
>>333364501
That's because they're freebies, essentially advertisements for the game, "oh, you like Love Live? Check out this Love Live mobile game, hey, we'll give you this code to give you free stuff in the game, now go install it and spend plenty of money like a good goy".
In this case, it's the other way around. The character is the selling point of their shitty credit card. Because no one would give a shit about it if they didn't lock something desirable behind it.
>>333365087
its even funnier because most players seem to use prepaid cards for any and all mobage-related translations
a huge number of them probably don't want a credit card or can't get one
>>333361458
Lmao he fuckjn dead
>>333365383
actually no, the code is the incentive to get the item, especially in the case of cinderella girl cds since they were just starting out
and I have no doubt that this character is a big draw to get this credit card, but do you think people wouldn't still want it if her stat blows?
>>333365374
They're slowly catching on, seeing companies get in trouble for fucking them too hard, and realizing that there's reason to cause a ruckus. I can only hope that they keep doing it, because it's sad to see them defend the companies cucking them.
>>333365184
Tell that to westerners who support bad business practices like preorder content, DLC, early access etc.
>>333365372
Well you don't have to spend money for rare drops, you just fight the enemy over and over. So in a way you are still grinding for what you want because you will get it eventually.
With gacha you are limited by the money you have.
>>333363885
>Hell, there is even articles out there from developers blaming US for their studio's death.
Seriously? link?
>>333365350
No, because this is Japan, not Europe/America. We have laws in place that they do not. You can't even have fucking slot machines in Pokemon any more, you really think they're going to OK a credit card?
Gacha is not popular in the West. Even the web based Gacha aren't popular. Europeans and Americans don't like chance in their games, especially when money is on the line.
If a company fucks over a group of people, you can bet your fucking ass that it'll be mentioned on places like /v/. Why the fuck do you think Black Desert Online is doing so poorly? Because all people needed to mention was the ability to buy shitty EXP boost armour sets and it gets blacklisted.
West wants WoW. The fact WoW has an item shop and has leaked nearly 10m subscribers since it's peak would suggest that Item Shops aren't popular.
>Japan
>Buy Super Duper Rare $10,000 Item
>Wow! You're so cool man, awesome.
>Hey, I met the guy with Sword of Awesomeness, he's so cool, even talked to him!
>USA/West
>Buy Super Duper Rare $10,000 Item
>Wow, what a fucking faggot. What a waste. Fucking Pay2Win faggot. Why don't you fucking git gud. Can't win with skill you have to use a credit card. Pathetic
>Yeah I met the guy with Sword of Awesome and called him what he was, a big fat pay 2 win faggot who needs to kill himself
See why, unless you're in Asia, you don't need to worry?
>>333365018
Not when the chance of rolling one particular character during legfest is 0.08%. That's why surprise tickets are awesome, but they're becoming obsolete when they keep adding stuff that can't be obtained through surprise tickets.
>>333365728
You made me go to the website to screencap it. I didn't have it saved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QvNYu_ERxI
BEST FUCKING SONG
BEST
FUCKING
SONG
>>333359286
>MUH 60 FPS
> I HAVE 6000$ WORTH OF RAZOR , YOU DON'T, KILL YOURSELF PLEB
> 50 FPS? HAHAAHAHHA
>EVERYTHING BELOW 45FPS IS GARBAGE
>XBOX ONE IS THE DEATH OF MICROSOFT
> PS4 IS WEEB
>POOR! POOR! NOT PLAYING 900$ GPU !
>I HAVE MONEY YOU DON'T, KILL YOURSELF
>>333365870
That aint Otoko no Uta you nigger
>>333365849
Was that game any good, because it looks like any other mobile shovelware except not f2p.
>>333365756
Personally I'm glad of the Western mentality.
>>333365756
rage of bahamut was pretty popular in the US, and granblue is spawned out of that so I don't know where you got the idea that gacha is not popular in the west
granted bahamut is dead here now but it was making a lot of money
>>333360596
You are a fucking retard. Sheep came back the next year, so Monkey will too. Also Monkey is fucking ugly. Kill yourself disgusting Monkeyfag.
>>333365976
Waifufags
Not even once
>>333365624
They would certainly be more willing to say "fuck it, I'm not gonna bother".
Also, RPGs aren't really directly comparable to idol games, since the latter is very focused on collecting. You can clear any song in Starlight Stage or SIF regardless of what idols you have, so the main reason people want idols is because their art is nice. They don't need good stats to attract people.
>>333365902
You seem to be barking up the wrong tree I think.
>>333365948
Maybe because people liked the anime?
>>333365976
What? Sheep was in the pool at certain times during 2015, from Jan1 to Dec31.
She has not been in the pool since then, and cygames has stated that she won't be back for 12 years.
Also I prefer sheep you dumbass.
>>333366007
Waifufags are generally retarded to a point it's funny. These retarded Monkeyfags keep spamming the fucking granblue general with their shit characters crying about her not coming back.
>>333366098
I think hes saying western game industry is just as cancer as jap
>>333366151
>implying this dumb crap will be still alive in 12 years, or even 1
>>333365756
>See why, unless you're in Asia, you don't need to worry?
Because I'm a dirty fucking weeaboo who enjoys games that will never receive a localization.
>>333366167
You seem to have huge hateboner for something you made up
>>333366245
exclusive_shit.jpg
>>333366123
the game died in the west before the anime came out I'm pretty sure
regardless people get suckered in by gacha here too
top grossing ios game #8 is MARVEL Contest of Champions and that is a gacha game isn't it?
>>333361909
I NEED THIS.
>>333366308
Except it's true, go check the Granblue Fantasy General.
>>333366151
You're a retard. If Sheep came back a year later so will your shitty character.
>>333366308
idk this specific case, but waifufags are indeed this retarded about 2d characters drawn by underpaid artists and designs by committee
>>333365870
SCREAAAAAAAAAAAM YOUR NAME
TO THE ENDS OF THE SKY
INSIDE OF YOUR SOUUUUUUULS
to the end of the SKYYYYYYYY
>>333366427
Sheep didnt come back you moron, shes dead
>>333366427
(you)
>>333366245
Then that case, I am sorry. I too wish for games to come over to west. I am greatly interested in Lost Ark Online and to a lesser extent Lineage Eternal/Kingdom Underfire 2. Latter is apparently shit, despite already having a English translation, the rumour is they don't want to put it in the West to spite Microsoft (long story). Lineage Eternal is basically the ARPGMMO craze in Asia but with the RTS part of Kingdom Underfire 2 thrown in. Lost Ark Online is likely going to be pay 2 win crap at worst and pay 2 not grind at best. It looks so fucking good though. Fuck sake.
>>333365948
That's the thing. That's one game. I can think of some web based Gacha, but actual games are rare in the West. People don't like them and society doesn't like gambling really as it is. As soon as that's merged with kids and made known to 'soccer moms' then you know shit will hit the fan. "OMG THEY'RE GLORIFYING GAMBLING AND MAKE ADDICTS! STOP THIS REEE!" Slapping 18+ on it won't do shit.
Gacha, at best, comes to West, milks it dry until 90% give up or the complaints mount, then they leave.
>>333365941
It is unlikely to change unless people/parents end up forgetting their belief that games = for kids and forget it is essentially gambling. Who knows, 2 generations time it might be common.
>>333359856
It's not about the credit card.
It's about the character in the game you get for applying for the credit card.
>>333366175
It's a different cancer. Console Wars, essentially. Exclusives don't really matter in Japan simply cause most bought a PS4, not an Xbone, and PC isn't as popular as it is here.
However, his argument falls flat when games here don't have gambling and credit card based exclusivity. Outside of WoW, the only games which have item shops are considered cancer by a lot of people (FPS, MOBA etc). WoW is dying. Who knows.
>>333366561
>generation of kids raised by whales
the horror...
>>333359286
>/gbfg/ is so butthurt they are leaking into /v/
Back to your containement board
I thought nips were suppose to be all about building mental fortitude and having zen-like willpower and shit.
Can't they just ignore it when shit like this happens?
>>333359856
Is this bait? Read the fucking thread. You get a exclusive character in the game if you get the card. The card then has draconian rules on which could fuck you up if you're not extremely careful.
They don't want the card, they want the character. They then need to regularly spend money using the card or they get blacklisted credit wise. If they cancel the card within like a year of getting it, they get blacklisted. These people who are into the game so much they would get the card for 100% completion and the kind of people who are either millionaire rich or are in debt. The credit card will apply massive interest if you use the credit.
>>333366670
West had things like exclusive preorder bonus, season pass, etc, imo thats bigger cancer than gacha, at least until you know how to limi yourself
>>333366810
>preorder achievements
>>333366729
I used to whale in games.... Back when the term didn't exist. Then I realised what REAL whales looked like. Was doing one game, where people were spending at least $250 a week on it.
>>333366763
>check the thread just because
>mfw
>>333366804
or you read the fucking thread and see that you don't have to get the credit card to get the character, you can just buy the code off a dirty scalper who will get the card
>>333366858
Don't forget Kickstarter achievements.
so don't fucking buy the game you cancerous plebs
bitching to us won't fucking fix the issue
>>333366902
>samefagging
>>333366810
As far as I know, that isn't exclusive to the West.
Season Pass is cancer, I got burned with Bioshock Infinite, I really thought that they could make some great DLC, especially since the old artwork implied you would have a DLC of the place early on in it's history. How wrong was I.
Never again. Witcher 3 was a pass I got and I am happy with it.
Maybe you're right anon...
>>333359618
>Daigo got in some trouble with the Yakuza for not paying his debts
Did this actually happen?
>>333366984
I think I see pattern
>Japanese cancer
>gacha in general
>idolfaggotry
>Western cancer
>constant console warring
>preorders
>broken promises and dreams
>>333366810
Mainly this.
The standard of this generation of gamers is at an all time low where they're supporting bad business practices like these not to mention gambling your money on the promise of a complete game ala earlyaccess/kikestarter.
The problem is that these practices will continue and could potentially get worse so long as people continue to throw money their way.
>Jiyunawho /SKD/ here
>>333366810
>exclusive preorder bonus
Order the game before release for some extra items! Oh, you don't care about some shitty items and want to wait until reviews are out? Alright.
>Season pass
Pay us money for something that we might release in the future! Oh, you'll just wait until its released and see if you're interested? Alright.
>Gacha
Okay, we're glad to see you're enjoying our game, but to continue you need to start paying us money. How much? Well, you could try your luck with $10! Oh whoops, that didn't go so well, how about another try?
>>333366963
thanks mr. skeltal
>>333359286
>not applying for the card to have a chance to win this mega cushion instead
fucking waifu fag plebs
>Google this game
>Music by Nobuo Uematsu
>>333367235
Thats a very nice way of ignoring all the shitty parts of passes and preorders, and you downright ignored the exclusive part
>>333366924
Why the fuck would somebody sign up to a credit card that:
1. Credit blacklists you if you don't regularly spend with it
2. Credit blacklists you if you cancel it before a year is out
3. Has massive interest if you go over into credit
Why? The person getting the card could sell the code, yes, but then they'd be stuck with a card for a year which needs regular use.
Think these things through, anon-kun :3
>>333367402
I genuinely can't think of any time I've been fucked over by just ignoring preorder bonuses and season passes.
>mobage
There's the problem.
>>333367418
>Credit blacklists you if you don't regularly spend with it
are you just pulling these out of your ass?
you spend once and your first annual fee is waived, there is no blacklist if you don't spend
>Has massive interest if you go over into credit
the fuck am I even reading here? going by a lot of assumptions aren't we?
>Credit blacklists you if you cancel it before a year is out
source?
>>333367418
I think what he was saying is that you don't have to concern yourself with what the hell the other guy just did and just enjoy the fact you got the code
>>333367418
>buy a stick of gum once a month
>set up autopay to withdraw from your bank, 0% interest
>cancel after 12 months
wow so hard
>>333367481
And the same way you can ignore spending real money on gacha, it all comes down to how well you can manage resources and if rng is in your favor. Theres nothing immediatly wrong with the gacha system but again, only if people know when to stop and when things become too jew, japan gets so much hate for it because they dont know that limit
>>333367418
http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/g165369381
auction for the DLC code for getting the monster hunter card
>only 40ish bucks
why wouldn't people apply to this if someone is willing to buy it for at least 40 bucks?
I'm sure some granblue faggots would have wanted to credit card just to have a granblue credit card even if it didn't come with a code
http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/31/11340798/clash-royales-top-ranked-player-has-spent-over-12000-on-the-game
Defense this
>>333368005
>12000$ for a fucking mobile game
>streaming mobile game
What the fuck?
>>333368005
12,000 to be No.1 is nothing. So, good on him. He must have some skills to back that up.
>>333368005
Some people have spend that much just to get a single character in Japanese mobile games.
>>333368157
>mobage
>skills
You what?
>>333367639
They games are specifically designed to combat human psychology and trick the average person who is susceptible to gambling addiction to not see "When to stop."
The games aren't designed as games and just so happen to have a gacha system in them and the gacha system just so happens to unfortunately trigger compulsive gambling tendencies.
No.
They are specifically designed to prey on these things and circumvent any local laws that allow them to function to the most predatory degree.
Casinos are more honest and fair than Gacha games.
That should tell you all you need to know.
>>333368267
That game does require some skill I believe, at least in MP.
>>333368157
>open chest faster
>skill
>>333368272
Well shit anon that just says you are the type of person that doesnt know when to stop, its not fuckking hard
>>333368335
Just get the fucking random epic card in the shop and upgrade the fucking out of it by using the same fucking card x 200000000.
Skill my ass, are you an born retard?
>>333367235
>Okay, we're glad to see you're enjoying our game, but to continue you need to start paying us money
except you don't need to pay them to "continue"
>>333368272
Nothing I wrote refers to me. I don't waste my time with mobile games and definitely don't waste my time with any sort of pay to win or obfuscated pay to win games.
The psychology, social morality and legality of it all is very interesting to me.
Chances are if you are attempting to defend the practice (by attempt to attack me in some odd way) you are already tied up in the mess. I honestly pity you.
>>333368774
And despite that you want to waste your time trying to convince me of something in the topic you clearly dont know a lot nir care about
>>333368465
I dunno, I've never played it. My friends have though and I thought you had to place shit down on 'lanes' to attack the other side? Placement of the units, timing to use them and other things require skill. It might not be challenging, but it still requires it. As in, literal babies can't do it (SFV campaign was completed by a literal baby).
Also, there isn't a max level for levelling up cards? That's fucking stupid if the case.
>>333368518
You can wait [x] time for [y] fantasy stamina/energy/key/jewel/fuel to progress... or you can buy as much [y] as you want at rate that makes the "wait [x] time" nothing more than a throw away useless mechanic in order to allow us to call it "free."
Arguing with gambling addicts about their problem is worse than arguing with crackheads.
In all honesty - I feel nothing but sadness for gaming in this context and the victims of the practice.
>>333368934
>The psychology, social morality and legality of it all is very interesting to me.
That's why I'm in the topic. Interacting with anons like you reveals more of the first two points to me.
I hope the upcoming horse racing game will have literal betting in it.
>>333369043
And here we see a person that raan out of arguments playing the "I feel sorry for you" card, we are done here
>>333368518
Depends on the game. Among gacha games, I'd say the number where you hit a wall if you don't have the right gacha-exclusive units is higher than the number where you can do whatever you want with just free rolls.
>>333359286
It's pretty much same as Amiibo.
>>333369131
You will have better odds actually betting on horse racing.
>much harder to fix actual horse racing than it is to fix an RNG algorithm.
>>333369131
You mean the horse racing game with the girls? The girls who are horses? I always find that odd as it's basically not horse racing, aside from the track.
Also, I'd buy and play the shit out of it if the game has a way of raising a girl to be a super racer. I recently bought Trillion and it's essentially a Princess Maker game with TBT combat. It's difficult as fuck.
Shame they made all the girls bar one related to your character, despite them all wanting to do shit like jump your dick or bathe with you.
>>333359286
I don't get why japan is so obsesed with this games, I played some of these games and all of them are the same fucking game with a diferent minigame, they make western F2P mobile shit look like AAA games.
>all these poorfags whining about some credit
I already got mine, eat shit losers.
>>333369140
Ran out of what argument? Huh?
Were we debating? Because if we were I didn't see any refutations of my points.
>>333366810
Japan has far worse shit with all the retailer exclusives though.
>>333369304
>western F2P mobile shit
Angry bird?
>>333369316
>look it says you are a homo
Sounds about right.
>>333369321
Your problem is that you just see gacha as evil you HAVE to spend money and assume anyone who disagrees with you has some sort of issue. Moreover you just straitght up denied what Isaid about knowing limits by pretty much saying "nu uh it doesnt work like that". The fact you dont play this kind of games proves you do not know the ways around things like waiting for stamina, not to mention no one ever said you have to play the game all the time, they were designed to play inshort bursts, not nolife
>>333365383
Further it's simply ugly. Tying a Credit Card offer to a Gacha game is like Jack Daniels sponsoring and advertising in an AA clinic.
>>333369316
Oh look, another useful idiot
>>333369808
I bet they'll give discounts/cashbacks for buying mobacoins with your GBF credit card too. It's pretty fucking dirty.
>>333369534
>play this kind of game
"Cuck, you don't know when to stop!"
>doesn't play this kind of game
"You can't talk about this kind of game because you don't play it"
Uh huh.
That's like saying someone who has never been shot can't perform surgery on a gunshot victim.
>>333369410
Match 3 games more likely
>>333369187
No it isn't. Do you run a risk of a credit blacklist if you buy an Amiibo?
>>333369316
>implying that's your card
Not even you would be an idiot enough to post your name and credit card on 4chan.
>>333370018
That doesnt even make any sense, you were the one who first said people dont know when to stop
>>333370146
No, I never said that. I said the games are specifically designed to fight against human psychology- or rather the triggers that would let your average person understand what's happening and realize "Wait, I should stop."
This is one of the reasons why there is always some middle man fantasy premium currency. It's to obfuscate the very reality that you are spending money.
>>333369186
And which games would you be talking about? With the amount of free shit they give even at 1-3% ssr rate the probability of getting 0 is well, almost 0 if you play for a while
>>333369992
Unless there is a specific law against it - this is exactly what they will do. What do they care if you get a slightly better deal on a digital product they spawn out of thin air?
>>333370087
>run a risk of credit black list
You keep saying that but are you even old enough to get a credit card?
>>333370273
But in that case its only the problem of people with weak will, I dont spend money on these games because I know its not worth it, and it takes part of the enjoyment away when I do manage to get something good with what I gained by being patient
>>333370273
I always viewed the fantasy premium currency as the company trying to convince you that they're giving you "free money."
It's pretty difficult to obfuscate the reality of spending money when there's no getting around the fact that the purchase prompt always slaps you in the face with the amount you'd have to pay before getting it.
>>333369992
And what's wrong with that? Implying addicts wouldn't be spending their money on this shit anyways, now they get something back for it
>>333370472
>But in that case its only the problem of people with weak will.
Not bait - hear me out, I have a set of questions. Do you think people with "weak will" are a problem?
Do you think there should be laws in place to try an prevent predatory actors specifically preying on something those people can't change about themselves?
Do you believe if someone can be fooled out of their home, money or health for profit that person deserved it?
>>333370335
The worst ones are the ones you don't hear about, since people here usually have the sense to stick to games that are F2P friendly. Generally any game with auto combat, like Rage of Bahamut. They make you get like a dozen copies of the same high rarity card to unlock its full potential. There's tons of those games, since they're cheap to make and can turn huge profits if they hit it big.
>>333370717
Not him but if you can't even handle not getting "credit black listed" for having one ducking credit card then maybe you don't deserve to have any credit to begin with
In order words you reap what you sow
>>333370717
They are a problem if they dont know when to stop, like ddrug addiction
My english my not be good enough to fully understand the seco.d question but I do think there should be more laws around gacha sysstems and games in general, the example here with credit card is clearly over the line. So I guess the answer is yes
Last one, no
>>333370776
>rage
Lol there is no in game content where you need high level cards to do. Events it is easy as shit to get event cards unless you are talking about ranking or fighting against p2w autist where you have no chance to begin with
It is your fault for playing such a p2w pvp game
>>333370838
>ignoratio elenchi
>>333370942
Then we are in general agreement. We may just differ on to what degrees.
>>333371028
Well glad.we could resolve this peacefully
>>333370087
>No it isn't. Do you run a risk of a credit blacklist if you buy an Amiibo?
You will be killed if you don't look after and keep buying Amiibo, yes.
>>333370574
They're getting addicts into the habit of using a credit card. Reasonable people who see no reason to own a credit card might get this one, because they have nothing to lose on it. Then they realize they should use it whenever they buy in-game currency.
In the first place, gachas are designed to make you spend more money than you intend to. When you combine that with getting addicts to the point where they're just a click away from spending more than they can afford, you have an excellent business plan of dubious morality.
>terms of this credit card is typical for Nip credit cards
Oh wow how devious of them
>>333370961
I don't play it. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I'm just using it as an example of scummy gacha games.
>>333371289
Are you implying the addicts who will open a credit card for an item are reasonable people to begin with?
Again you are still ignoring that you don't need to open a credit card and can just buy the code from someone
>>333371397
Well ok, so you can't even give one specific example besides a game that you don't even play?
>>333371450
>Are you implying the addicts who will open a credit card for an item are reasonable people to begin with?
It's really fucking common to overestimate your self-control. And if you assume that you have better self-control than you have, possibly influenced by the fact that you've never owned a credit card before and don't know about the temptation to overspend, it's perfectly rational to get the credit card for free in-game items and discounts on currency.
And the code is irrelevant, I'm talking about the morality of encouraging potential addicts to get credit cards and telling them to use it on their addictive habit.
>>333370467
You do know the term I used, credit blacklist, does not mean I think there is some list you get on that results in you not getting money in the future.
It does go down in your history and people CAN deny you when you want to apply for money. Some may do, some may not.
>le old enough
Oh, so an ad hom. Good work, sure showed me. Next you'll call me a kid or kiddo or something.
>>333371638
How is it relevant whether I play it or not? I avoid any gacha based game like the plague unless someone confirms to me beforehand that it's F2P friendly.
>>333371784
Over reaction much? You are assuming people who play these games don't know anything about ducking credit cards. If I was such a big fan of this game wouldn't I want a credit card with its art on it? Holy shit if I get a Mickey Mouse credit card I get points toward Disneyland. Those crafty fucks tricking me to spend more money at Disneyland!
>>333371874
Well I was asking for an example to the claim that you will hit a brick wall and won't be able to progress unless you do the gacha. But no example was actually given. I would think that would be easy to come up with
>being a rerollfag
Nothing worse than that
>>333372021
most of what's been discussed/shitposted in this thread is worse than that.
>special cawadoody dlc for eating Carl's jr
Oh man those predatory fucks forcing people to become obese
What an outrage
Nah man those people may not know eating a lot of fast food will make them fat. It is EA's fault!
>>333372021
Why would you not reroll until you got an SSR? It's stupid not to.
>>333372405
>westerners become morbidly over be by doing the dew for their dlc
>nips go into credit debt for theirs
