Why are you paying for illegally downloaded roms?
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Why are you paying for illegally downloaded roms?
It's alright when Nintendo commits it
gog download their games from the internet and then sell 'em
>>331419730
GOG is shit too
>>331419730
Steams Max Payne 2 version uses a scene crack.
So can some one show proof?
>>331419730
Not even trying to hide they used cracks aswell
>>331419317
Yes but Nintendo has the copyrights to do that, you dense piratecuck.
>>331419317
If Nintendo downloaded it from the internet, then it isn't illegal, it's their property.
Basically, the guy who made the rom did a bunch of unpaid labor for Nintendo, since the rom he made was Nintendo property all along.
Why should Nintendo pay someone to make a rom when someone already did it for them?
He cucked himself and didn't even know it.
>>331419730
That's one of the reason why I don't care about GoG, even if they don't do that anymore
Fuck them
>>331419317
>There's no such thing as abandonware :^) It's always piracy!
>Hey go-- guys, we've "remastered" our classic game we forgot we had the rights to! Now you can play it on modern systems just fine, in Dosbox! Oh, and it's "DRM free" too!
It's always fucking hilarious to me when there is a TAS or speedrun discussion between emulation and hardware, and there is always one retard saying "But what about Virtual Console?"
>>331419868
Ez, find a eshop NES dump, rename the .bin to .nes and run this program
http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/683/
If it shows an header they are using a dumped scene release.
>>331419937
Of course a dumb cuck like you would say that
>muh copyrights
>mfw Nintendo "re-sold" earthbound on the wii-U for $15
I don't even pay for 3ds games anymore.
What makes them think I'm going to pay $20 for a 20 year old game?
>>331420125
VC releases are many times so fucked that you are better of using an emulator like Bizhawk for speedruns.
>>331419317
roms is fine (even though it's insanely overpriced and should be across all platforms you own)
But if they were using a popular emulator, that'd be BS. I expect them to make their own emulator that's 100% accurate
>>331420125
>Google the picture
>Leg tattoo
welp
>>331419730
Do they still put in the work to make sure the games work on modern operating systems? I was more than happy to get their versions of the Dungeon Keeper games even though I've owned the discs for years.
>>331420125
>But what about virtual console
This never fails to amuse me.
>>331420221
>only pirate fags care not of copyrights
>World War 3 will be waged over a copyright
enjoy being ded faggot.
>>331420354
>>>/pol/sunday school
What a bunch of scumbags and they expect you to buy them all over again each generation.
>>331420402
But Gog uses Dosbox with custom configs at best.
>>331420354
Got a problem with that? I'll let you know my wife has tattoos all ovwr her body, what chu gon do about it?
Nah I do t buy this for a second. Just because their shit is compatible with some literally who memeulator doesn't necessarily mean that they copy pasted or even used the assets from it.
>>331420095
>There's no such thing as abandonware :^) It's always piracy!
But that is true. Abandonware is just shorthand for "this game hasn't been sold for a while so hopefully the copyright holder won't sue us if we distribute it on the internet". The legal period for copyright expiration after which it would actually be legal to distribute a game without the copyright holder's explicit permission is 95-120 years, so it's safe to say no computer game falls under that category.
>>331420479
>Not having standards
After all your time here, you've learned nothing.
>>331420354
>google the picture
>Yan Ke Ke And Barbie Ke Er
>>331420604
Whatever makes her bull feel good.
>>331419972
The cuck posting retard is right.
At least, I'm fairly certain. I don't really know what the laws on roms are and I'm sort of suspicious that the lawmakers don't really know either. But if there are already roms out there and Nintendo de facto owns them all anyway, why bother making another one? Sure, it rubs me the wrong way on an emotional level, but there doesn't seem to be an actual argument about why this is bad.
Except for the fact that it highlights how you could easily be playing these exact same, not only games but actual files, for free. And shows how incredibly tech illiterate the vast majority of gaming consumers are, that its a viable business strategy to basically sell bottled tap water to people. And sort of undercuts the economic arguments about piracy.
>>331420626
>95-120 years
Holy shit Disney
>>331420634
>Frequenting /v/
>Having standards
No, sir, I've learned it all.
>>331419317
>>331419669
>>331419730
It's not illegal when you own the fucking rights to the game.
Pirates crying that other people are stealing their work, lmao. BTFO
>>331420621
I don't think you know what a header is.
>>331420604
t. numale and proud
>>331420626
There's at least one legit instance of Abandonware which I know of and that is Daggerfall, you can even download it directly from Bethesda's website.
>>331420626
>95-120 years
Haha get fucked
It's abandonware.
Copyright is a sham
NINTENDO DINDU NUFFIN DEY GOOD BOYS NEED MO MONEY FOR DEM NX PORTS
>>331420621
>memeulator
how did we let /v/ get like this
>>331420764
Well, nintendo using ines header format, which means they adopted piracy rom format, and i'm pretty sure they are using open source emulator source code, because japs can't code for shit.
>>331419317
This only accentuates the importance of piracy in a preservation of video games sense.
Corporations do not care about their own games enough to adequately save them for the future generations.
>>331421084
>japs can't code for shit
>they create brand new engines for every single game
figures why jap games are so shit
>>331420986
>that commie bullshit narrative
Disney made a snowwhite, so I should be able to use trademarks to make my product look better to the uninformed customer and thus lowering its value
>>331420621
The fact that it can pretty much proves that it's using the old iNES standard.
Now if it had the CHR, PRG roms, etc in separate formats that would be another story.
lel
>>331420986
As much of a sham it is, people get busted by it all the time.
I'm not. I hacked my 3DS so I can just inject any rom I want into the cia files.
>>331419730
GOG repacks are more convenient than piracy.
There are already a billion ways to play NES roms that are more convenient than paying for it on your 3DS.
>>331421075
Stop being on 4chan when America is awake.
>>331420951
That's not abandonware, that's just the game being released for free by the copyright owners, so it's just a free game. Abandonware is used to refer specifically to games that seem to have been abandoned by the copyright holder (not distributed anywhere for a long period of time), hence "abandon".
>>331420986
>Copyright is a sham
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
>>331419317
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA FUCK PIRACY RIGHT HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>331421190
This so damn much.
Remember when SEGA lost the source code to Panzer Dragoon? kek good times.
>>331421318
They're more convenient for piracy more like.
>>331421219
Disney sends cease and desists to highschools that try to put on the Hunchback of Notre Dame play. Copyright apologists always make me LOL so hard.
>>331420402
>Do they still put in the work to make sure the games work on modern operating systems?
bruh, GOG hasn't been Good Old Games for years. they really really really want to be Not Steam, with their own worthless 'but it does multiplayer!' launcher application and everything
>>331420626
>95-120 years,
What in the flying fuck
>>331420125
>vc
Oh ye man let me go create tasbot for wii xDd
>SNK did this
>Nintendo did this
Who else BTFO of piratefags for profit?
>>331419317
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo lost the original source files a long time ago, it seems to be common for big companies.
so you've decided to steal videogames
MYTH: video game piracy is wrong
FACT: video games are made by businesses out of self-interest, which makes stealing them ok
>>331419730
But GOG is DRM free which is a consumer friendly business practice. I would be upset if Steam used pirated old games not GOG though.
>>331421449
There are Wii tases already - nerds are just autistic about muh 100% accuracy and muh real machine inputs
>>331421219
>>331420764
>>331419937
Corporations have more rights than individuals, as it should be.
It's literally OK when Nintendo does it. Piratecucks crying should be put in jail get BTFO
>>331421219
You're the commie you retard, you're supporting the communist oligarchy of freedom for those in power and shooting yourself in the foot by giving up on your freedom for no reason whatsoever. This is not what your ancestors died for you cuck.
>>331421528
>stealing anything
>OK
you dense faggot.
>>331421442
You can thank Disney for that.
Disney lawyers are so scary, I've heard that they get very loopy (as if they're playing a character) on court but at the same time very serious and burtal at the law system. At least that's what ive been told, wish there was some kind of video
>>331419937
The least they could do is thank the pirates for giving Nintendo the means to make money off of Nintendo's old games.
>>331421528
>MYTH: video game piracy is wrong
That is a myth though.
>>331421341
Actually it's completely relavent.
When huge numbers of people decide to do something new, then -- like it or not -- that new thing automatically becomes the moral norm.
In this case, huge numbers of people have all independently decided that copyright is not as important to them as it is to the congressmen who felt it necessary to install a strong copyright regime into law.
So I have a choice: I can take my cues about whether or not piracy is justified from the millions of people who have all decided that copyright is not a particularly important concept. Or I can take my cues about morality from a few hundred congressmen who had their re-election expenses paid in part by the publishing industry as a quid-pro-quo to ensure that tough copyright laws got passed.
As you can probably guess, this isn't really a hard moral call for me to make.
>>331421663
I'm not seeing how playing 20 years old rom dump without paying nintendo 5 bucks - stealing.
>>331421663
>stealing
>>331421385
Yep. If I can I always try to download GOG torrent because of how open it is. Thanks suckers!
>>331421517
The original source files aren't relevant in this context since they're not gonna port the game over to the 3DS. They'd need to either get the entire toolchain required to compile a NES game up and running, or the game's cart and the required hardware to dump it.
Or they could just go to coolroms and download it in 30 seconds.
>>331421581
>So even if consumers have no option to physically or digitally purchase a game, piracy is still wrong?
>VIOLATING MUH COPYRIGHT MUHFUCKA FO SHO
This pic, these arguments, every time.
>>331421670
That's creepy
>>331419317
>>331419730
Not like crack groups can come out and claim ownership.
>>331420713
>its a viable business strategy to basically sell bottled tap water to people.
Alas, a painfully accurate analogy.
>trying to shutdown emuparadise when they use it anyways
Comedy gold
>>331421820
>since they're not gonna port the game over to the 3DS
Actually, most nintendo kids believe this is exactly what nintedo doing to VC titles.
>>331421839
'i am entitled to this game'
>>331420604
Shut up and go spend time with your wife's son.
>>331420626
>95-120 years
It's supposed to end the second the original creator dies you stupid fuck.
>>331420626
It's 70 years where I live.
Sucks for you, America.
>>331419862
>>331419730
how the fuck does this even make sense?
>developer decides to release game on platform
>developer gives a version of the game that the platform requires, basically a build that either includes DRM or not
>the platform and the developer are in perfect accordance with which version of the game is on their servers
>people somehow say that GOG and Steam use the same code as a crack
>>331421517
How can you possible not have a backup of stuff? Shit, I still have backups of stuff from 10 years ago when I was in middle school. I was a fucking kid and knew how to back stuff up.And by that, I mean that I still have the pictures of the hot girls at school that I saved from picture trail burned on a CD somewhere. Transferred from a floppy disk, of course.
>>331421927
'you should not be allowed to play this out of print media that is no longer available for purchase because of obstuse copyright laws'
Damn fucking right I'm entitled to this game. Go fuck your mother.
>>331419730
>GOG and Steam use cracks
Nope. They offer the platform for games to get sold by publishers.
It's the publishers decision to use cracks made by pirates.
>>331421957
and All of Walt Disney's works because freeware after his passing.
>>331422014
Cracks for older games that wouldn't work on modern operating systems anymore sometimes contain fixed to make them work anyway.
Developers re-releasing old games on Steam or GOG often just use these cracks instead of fixing the game themselves.
>>331420634
What is it about tattoos that gets poltards so worked up?
>>331422014
>people somehow say that GOG and Steam use the same code as a crack
Well people opened an hexeditor on both steam/gog and cracked .exes and figure that shit out.
Wouldn't be surprised if that the version given to gog is a scene release.
>>331422218
It's degenerate
>>331421442
Disney is a piece of shit company. They use characters from the public domain in a lot of their early stuff and then fought to extend the amount of time it takes for shit to get into public domain so no one can use their characters besides them. Honestly, I don't see how anyone can support them or how that is legal.
>>331422014
I've read your posts multiple times and I have no idea what you're trying to say.
>>331422093
Companies aren't capable of protecting anything and cannot be trusted to. Fucking KONAMI lost all the source code for the Silent Hill games. They probably threw out the archives because of lack of space or some bullshit. If it wasn't for piracy fat chance of you ever getting to play a proper HD version of them. Companies only care about costs. If they go their property goes with them or often get lost during transitions.
Right now piracy is the only thing protecting games from going extinct is piracy. They will never disappear if they are present on millions of consumer PC's ready to get uploaded, DRM free for anyone to use. Pro tip: just because a torrent is dead doesn't mean the files are gone and no one has it any longer. The Scene doesn't exist and meant to let people get stuff for free. It exists for archival purposes. That's why there are standards about releases.
>>331420125
>>331420354
>Google the picture
>literally no ass
>>331422218
>muh degeneracy
>>331422218
It's slutty
See also: piercings are triggering, earrings aren't
Mental illness
>>331422014
>developer
>scene crack
That code is not from the developer, meaning it's unofficial. It's using injected assembly/c code from hackers .
>>331422264
Degeneracy is a buzzword.
>>331422014
>basically a build that either includes DRM or not
You can loose source code.
Dev team can be long go.
Only fast way to make game playable with protection - get master build (they all have protection), go to gamecopyworld and download crack for needed version.
>>331422290
>google you
>literally a nigger
>>331422123
Does your mom know you're posting here?
>>331422346
Right, but what I'm asking is why the fucking dev would need to crack his own game and then give it to GOG.
>>331422420
Because there never was a DRM-free version?
>>331422264
How? Reminds you of all the excons that used to fuck your mother?
>PIRACY IS BAD PLEASE SUPPORT US
>piracy is literally saving gaming by preserving files companies can't be assed to safeguard.
This is hilarious in many many ways.
>>331422284
Everyone threw out source code out back then
It was just an excuse from the devs part, Bluepoint make the best HD ports and they only use the retail disc of the game to make a pc version, then they port that to ps3/xbox
Silent hill 2 and 3 already had PC versions
Incompetency all around
>>331422470
Well shit
I'm fucking done. That's just retarded.I can't be the only one confused about this, right?
>>331422329
Lol
>>331422420
Because DRM isn't something that's just slapped on top of the game at the end in a lot of cases.
>>331422397
Settle down Ireland its almost time for your afternoon nap.
>>331421773
>When huge numbers of people decide to do something new, then -- like it or not -- that new thing automatically becomes the moral norm.
First, you'd need to define exactly how much is "huge numbers of people", how you arrived at the conclusion that this number is sufficient to change the "moral norm", and how exactly did you accurately quantify the number of people that support whatever moral norm you consider right.
And then there's the little but important fact that it's still illegal. Overriding the law with your own moral compass is the kind of thing you see in ghettos where the 'hood culture is the rule, and people will feel morally in the right for robbing you and/or killing you because you wore the wrong color of shirt.
If you want to pirate just pirate, but holy shit don't try to make excuses as to why it's morally justifiable. At least man the fuck up and accept your guilt.
>>331422548
Well why not? Game are built with a form of DRM embedded in them because the dev/publisher doesn't want it to be pirated, what's there to be confused about?
>>331422397
Mad titfag detected
Don't worry, you'll understand when you reach puberty in a few years :^)
>>331422284
>lack of space or some bullshit
Hard drive space used to be expensive. Why would a company keep around tens if not hundreds of gigabytes of uncompressed assets and old source code revisions when the game's finished and shipped?
>>331421773
>When huge numbers of people decide to do something new, then -- like it or not -- that new thing automatically becomes the moral norm.
That's just wrong
>>331422014
You are very young aren't you?
Practicing for the high school debate club?
Read about Half life and how much of Quake source code it uses.
Then read about Team Fortress( not about Team fortress 2) and its relation to Counter Strike.
Jews love the software business because in the software business you can copy everything.
But jews despise people that copy their work thus the hypocrisy of Valve and other big jew companies.
>>331422420
Likely because the original devs got paid for their work and are doing something else, be it another project or working for another company. So, somebody, either the publisher, GOG, or another party will think to use the crack.
Remember that a lot of these games that are using these cracks are at least several years old by the time they're released on GOG, there's quite a big gap and a lot can happen within the span of a few years.
>>331422760
It's called a license, retard
>>331420764
There's a difference between distributing copies of something for free, and selling stolen work for a profit.
>>331419317
Well it doesn't really matter because nintendo owns the IP.
>>331422548
The source code is lost, or the copyright holder is not willing to pay a programmer to remove the DRM from it when they can download and apply a crack in a minute. It's not that hard to grasp, and in the end it changes nothing from a legal point of view.
>>331419317
But Nintendo still owns the rights to those ROMS either you dumped them or not.
Keep crying cuck boy.
>>331422823
>license
Get cancer tool of the corporations.
>>331421581
>the problem is that it's illegal
what a lawyerism. logic doesn't matter, it's illegal, therefore stoppit!!
>>331422764
>>331422947
Yeah, makes sense. I ask as someone who uses SVN and GIt a whole lot, how in the name of Allah do you lose your source code?
>>331422702
It almost seems like they know their game will fail and they add DRM from the beginning so they can squeeze as many sales out of it as possible.
>>331422402
Oh the irony. You little shits are the biggest corporate shills ever being manipulated like never before by corporate interests.
I've been trading Spectrum games while you were still in your daddy's nutsack kid.
>>331422982
How is it hypocrisy though? You need to pay before you copy regardless of if you are a corporation or a single individual.
>>331419972
>>331420626
>>331421442
>>331421957
>>331422123
>>331422284
Videogames should enter the public domain after 5 years max, see pic related. 50% Steam sales for a game less than two years after publication prove that the big money on a title gets made in these two years, and that copyright (which main purpose is to incentivice creators to create stuff) for that period plus some is sufficient to keep publication of new titles at a steady rate.
>>331423112
>Videogames should enter the public domain after 5 years max
t. idiot
>>331423037
It seems impossible when you look at it with modern standards but you have to keep in mind we're talking about games from 15+ years ago, where source control wasn't really a thing.
>mfw I keep all of my games perfectly ordered on my backup HDD
>mfw you can't even find some of them today
Call me a file hoarder, but in the future, when shit hits the fan I'll be the one laughing.
ITT: Pirates mad about their cracks getting used without compensation
How funny.
You crack games to avoid paying for them but when publishers use those cracks to sell additional DRM free versions of the game you get butthurt.
>>331423189
Oh, right. I dunno, I remember seeing a thread a while back about how some recent indie game had the same thing happen to it.
>>331422676
>guilt
>for stupid copyright law
Literally hurting no one. Unlike robbing and killing.
>>331423257
You wouldnt even know what to do in a SHTF scenario. ROFL.
>>331423174
Disney please go.
>You will die before Mickey Mouse is public domainAnd should you have grand-grand-grand-grand-children they will die before that too.
>without pirates there would be no gog
>without pirates there would be no Virtual Console releases
39 big laffs
>>331423174
read the fucking article, you mongoloid dipshit.
>>331421316
That's such a waste of space. Why not just install an emulator?
>>331423259
it's more like "why the fuck would you pay for a game that is LITERALLY the same as a fucking crack"
oh wait, i'm being baited by /buyersremorse/fag
>>331423037
>I ask as someone who uses SVN and GIt a whole lot, how in the name of Allah do you lose your source code?
You are hopefully aware of the fact cloud storage is pretty recent, still in the process of being adopted, and these are old as fuck games we're talking about. Keeping secure copies of stuff is complex and expensive; sometimes companies only keep the last X years worth of stuff, sometimes the storage medium is damaged/misplaced/stolen. These things are much more likely to happen in big companies as well.
>>331423112
Give it 10 years. But yeah current situation is absurd.
>>331423112
>Videogames should enter the public domain after 5 years max
Nah, I think same period as a patent, around 20 years, is reasonable enough.
>>331422548
I get why you're confused. You would think as a developer you could just "//" comment out the DRM code compile it and call it a day.
We wish it was that easy.
When you work for a company, everything you code goes to the Rights of the Company. And I think as a result, depending on how the Company handles source codes, even the developer sometimes can't have a copy of his work, Stupid right? So lets say you left the company. If you wanted to release a DRM Free version you would have to contact the Company, but why even bother? It's a waste of time for them.
>>331423330
I can't hear you over my folders of obscure gems.
>>331421919
Emuparadise is literally owned by some rich Arabian sheik. It's never going down.
>>331423392
Comfort is the answer.
Steam and GOG offer a cheap service by giving you an easy to use library that offers stuff you can't get the pirate way like achievements, leaderboards and so on.
>>331423383
Because the hombrew GBA emulator on the 3DS is garbage compared to the one built in
Also, it's the same file size as the rom...
>>331423382
I'm very familiar with FSF nonsense, thanks
>>331420125
Those must be some tiny nipples
>>331423257
I do the same shit.I don't have that many that you can't find in the internet though. Like 5 or so.
>>331423519
Based Middle East saving our culture.
I remember when no-intro tried to strip NES headers from the romset to mimic Byuu doing so for the SNES. Ended up with Byuu calling them fucking retarded because NES emulators must have that information to tell them how the cartridge board is laid out.
So basically Nintendo's options were to either use the solution that already exists, or to spend the time re-creating the same solution again for no reason.
>>331423392
I hope you remember to back up all of your save files every time you stop playing a game :^)
Really, though, I don't like playing games unless I get cloud saves. I get anxiety knowing that my HDD can crash and I could lose all of my progress.
>>331419317
The guy from Ross' Gaming Dungeon would probably cry at this thread.
Since above all else he believes games should never be allowed to die or vanish. He's been railing against online-only games being shut down forever in a lot of his recent vids
>>331422710
Becuase it's their resposibility to do so. And if they can't handle said responsibility then they have no buisness abusing copyright law to harrass archivists (also known as pirates) who are effectively doing their work for them.
Also you're greatly exagerating by assuming the size and scale of data needed to be stored decades ago is the exact same as today. It would most likely come down to hundreads of megabytes or at most a few gigabytes if we're talking pre-2000 games.
>>331423557
>I'm very familiar with FSF nonsense, thanks
t. idiot
>>331422093
>How can you possibly not have a backup of stuff?
jap companies are fucking retarded and throw out old code or wipe computers to reuse them elsewhere
>get the product out, move on
is their MO
>>331422164
I said supposed to, didn't I?
Any proof besides some literally who claiming it in a PowerPoint?
>>331423523
if you think those features are useful to you, go ahead. no one's stopping you from spending money. there is also the added comfort of being able to easily redownload your games if you build a new computer.
i get around that by saving all my ISOs and RARs in a separate drive.
>>331423752
y'know what? i've never had a (vidya) drive fail on me. my media drive has failed on me before, but thankfully i was able to recover everything before it went to complete shit. but again, if you think it's a useful feature, by all means, go for it.
![[HorribleSubs]_One-Punch_Man_-_11_[720p].mkv_snapshot_22.25_[2015.12.13_19.36.37].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gT3vja5.jpg "[HorribleSubs] One-Punch Man - 11 [720p].mkv snapshot 22.25 [2015.12.13 19.36.37]")
>wah why don't publishers spend their own valuable time to create their own crack instead of just using one that already exists
Duh
>why should i buy a DRM-free game when the pirate version is just like it?
Well, if you pirate all DRM free games the only option for publishers is to DRM secure their games if they want money. Good that DRM free sites like GOG and Humble are doing well tho.
>DRM free games are more easy to pirate
Not really. Games that use Steamworks are just as easy to pirate. You are only missing out on achievements and trading cards but who really cares about that stuff? Especially cards are worthless now with the new market limitations.
>>331423037
Many older games on GOG that do require the cracks were made in the Web 1.0 & 2.0 days, where internet/network infrastructure overall was certainly not as well developed as it is today and wasn't as widespread.
Hardware failures, shittier storage mediums, people forgetting backup routines, the hardware the source code is on is replaced by something newer and gets lost to the dumpster, shit gets destroyed in a fire, etc.
Very rarely you can recover from having lost source code, The Original Strife (as it is named on Steam) was lucky enough that it used the Doom engine and thus Doom modders helped implement support for it in ZDoom, and one guy engineered a new source port for its official re-release
>>331420634
men don't have standards
>>331420354
It's ok anon, I'm not fond of tattoos, kind of a turnoff.
>>331423976
keep drinking that koolaid friend
>>331422397
low test detected
>>331423696
When the western world goes to shit, the Muslims always got us, backing up all our important data. Thanks Muslims.
>>331422271
He's saying that it makes no sense for the developer to go hunting online for hacks made for his program when, having all the source materials, he could easily put whatever's needed together and just put it to sale.
Incorporating hacks to circumvent parts of the program like DRM is, hacky. Doesn't seem like the easiest way to do it at all.
>>331424227
Oh the ironing.
You're literally drinking the corporate Disney koolaid
>>331424227
it is actually a better article than most things RMS has written.
>>331423257
I do the same thing withhentai
>>331423093
Do you think Gabriel Newell had a licence to copy John Carmacks work?
So naive...
>>331423093
I already payed when I bought my pc
Jews are still mad Jesus copied a bunch of fishes back in the day
Do you guys think that one day they'll wipe out every single website hosting roms and games from the internet?
>>331424067
It's been a fear of mine every since I was a kid. I lost my PS1 memory card with 100% progress on every game I owned. A few years later they found it melted inside the gas heater in my grandma's house. I guess it somehow got hit into there on accident. It seriously fucking sucks losing all of your progress.
>>331423257
>mfw I obtained a copy of a very popular korean mmo game server
>copy is nowhere to be found on the internet.
>copy is chinese language, working on translating it back to english
>tfw I could make myself a lot of dank dosh if I plan to host the server. It's been heavily modified for "play to win" status already.
>don't wanna get ass raped byNexon.in court
What do guys? Should I put the server in alaha akulbar in a VPS and install like 3 VPNs on my computer to get not detected? Or am I just fucked in the end regardless
>>331420301
$30 dollars for an old game? Paying $50 dollars for any game is outrageous!
>>331424386
They'll sure try.
Once we got the infrastructure supporting it everything will get streamed. Operation systems, software and games will all be available via monthles fees.
So they goodbye to your pirate abilities.
>>331424386
No.
>>331424508
The future is shit, we know.
>>331419317
it was their property in the first place lol. it's like you start squatting in someones basement and then get mad when they rent it to people.
>>331423259
We get mad at idiots paying for pirate copies
Always have, always will
The point of piracy is sharing for free
Daily reminder that without piracy, people wouldn't know what Silent Hills/PT was. DRM is bad for the industry and bad for vidya culture as a whole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-85jO6nRNQ
>>331424618
People pay because they want to support something.
You are even more retarded if you buy games on Steam only to get cards worth 4 cent each and achievements which are editable via SAM.
>>331424358
pretty sure it's mentioned in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCafnH_eisA that id software made big amounts of money from licensing out their engines to other titles. It makes sense to assume that Half-Life made before Quake was released under GPL, since if valve had used the GPLed code, Half life would have had to be under the terms of the GPL (read: Free and open source software) as well.
>>331419317
What the fuck difference does it make? It's their goddamn game. I mean, either way you're a dumbass for paying for a ROM but why the hell should it matter that they downloaded it from the internet?
>>331424698
I don't buy on Steam
I don't like "licenses"
>>331422742
It really isn't. Millions of people engage in copyright infringement every day while using the internet and backing up their own media, even though they might be unaware of it. It's gotten to the point where directors are literally bragging about HBO piracy numbers because of how many times Games of Thrones was downloaded
A perfect example is 4chan. This entire site infringes copyright every second of everyday. The concept, an image board, cannot legally function. The only reason 4chan can exist in the US is because threads are temporary. Reddit, by contrast, isn't an imageboard. That's not a coincidence. If the law could somehow work as fast as a 4chan thread, there would be no 4chan.
>>331422676
See above.
>And then there's the little but important fact that it's still illegal. Overriding the law with your own moral compass blah blah blah false equivalence
Which isn't important at all, and is in fact mostly irrelavent in the grand scheme of things for reasons I described. The law is not an objective moral compass, and your desperate attempt at comparing neckbeards downloading games in their basement to gang violence, robbery and murder in the ghetto is beyond repugnant and quite honestly pathetic.
Don't try to use the law as an excuse as to why piracy morally justifiable. How about you man the fuck up instead of imposing your own moral values and guilt on other people on a chineese cartoon website.
Because unless you can honestly say that you don't have any copywrighted material on your harddrive and have never streamed media including movies, music, anime, comics, porn etc without compensating the original creator, you can fuck RIGHT off with your hypocritical moral posturing.
>>331420125
Where can I buy some warped buttons to also go with my non photoshopped tits?
>>331424924
You always buy licenses.
Thats how it always has been.
Even if you got a physical drm-free copy 20 years ago.
>>331424885
>>331423259
see
>>331421581
>People Making Nintendo Emulators and Nintendo ROMs are Helping Publishers by Making Old Games Available. This Does Not Hurt Anyone and Allows Gamers to Play Old Favorites. What's the Problem?
>Nintendo: The problem is that it's illegal.
STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH YOU DUMB CUNTS
>>331425013
I DO NOT BUY.
>>331420764
>It's not illegal when you own the fucking rights to the game.
No, but it does demonstrate ultimate jewery, especially when the company doing it is the one who's fans on /v/ are constantly bragging is so rich that they could not sell another product for 80 years and still be rich.
Nintendo is fucking scum, and /v/ defends it. They'll gladly throw any other company who pulls this shit under the bus, and rightfully so, but yet it's okay when Nintendo does it for some reason.
>>331424885
>What the fuck difference does it make?
it creates holes in the Law, even it it's their game, the support isn't
it could make a lot of differences based on the original media and it's redistribution
to make it really short: it's possible to attack nintendo for piracy
>>331421581
I emulate all Nintendo game and feel proud of it. They don't deserve my money.
Nintendo is the only company legally allowed to download their roms. Doesn't matter who dumped them, the games are Nintendo's intellectual property.
>>331420764
>>331425218
>It's not illegal when you own the fucking rights to the game.
If downloading games you already own a rightful copy of is illegal then it sure as fuck is illegal when Nintendo does it.
>>331425158
You figure that out with your fancy law degree anon? Because that feels suspect to me.
>>331425271
Delicious ad hominem.
>>331419317
Guys, stop.
Piracy is destroying the NES.
>>331424742
Kid I was a teenager when Half life was released.
I didn't have a computer at home that can run it, so I played it in an internet coffee shop.
Most of the Half life engine is Quake and some functions and code from Quake 2.
Half life is a great game and I would not like that some Swat team arrested Gabe Newell for copying parts of Quake to make a new standalone game with a great story...
Gabe Newel became something else when Steam got popular and grew into what Steam is now. But he knows his roots. DOTA2 and Portal 2 and Portal and some other games would never happen if it wasn't for Gabe Newell and his work. But DOTA2 is a carbon copy of DotA with better graphics, and better mathcmaking and cosmetics and other glitter.
But DOTA2 is free to play, more free than LoL its biggest rival.
Valve doesn't earn money on DOTA2 directly.
>>331425158
>>331425232
And who is going to press charges against Nintendo, exactly? "Well gee Nintendo seems as though you've illegally downloaded a ROM and sold it to people, looks like you're going to have to pay yourselves a fine!"
Retroism is selling Bubsy on Steam with emulator included.
>>331421581
I don't even care if they HAVE the game and downloaded the game. It's still fucking illegal.
>>331425183
you dropped your fedora buddy
pretty sure it's not illegal to download your own roms off the internet
>>331425013
>Thats how it always has been.
>You always buy licenses.
Get cancer corporate tool.
>>331425374
So you admit that what they're doing is illegal
>And who is going to press charges
It's almost as if Copyright law is a fucking joke
>Downloading roms
>Not tracking down a copy of the game to play it on the native console
all I see is a gibesmedat. you plebeians need to get the fuck out of my hobby
>>331425481
I am not a tool or supporting this.
I am only saying how it is.
You always bought licenses. The situation is the same everywhere.
>>331424947
How do 4chan archives exist?
>>331423024
It's not even lawyerism, there are a vocal albeit minority of drones who honestly genuinely believe that piracy is wrong because it's illegal in countries cucked by corporatocracy. >>331422676 >>331425013
Thank god piracy is legal where I live.
>>331425374
It is in japan. Why do you think porn of existing characters is available to buy there?
>>331425374
>All right Nintendo. It says here that you downloaded a copy of "Super Mario Bros" illegally. The owner for that game is copyrighted by Nintendo. So, Nintendo will have to pay Nintendo 35,000$ by the end of this year. Case dismiss.
So is this true or what?
>>331425581
In domains where copywright isn't well enforced.
Actually I'm sure there are archives on US based servers but copywright goons sure as fuck don't know about it
>>331424508
That won't happen, it's literally a dystopian vision of the future.
>>331425573
No.
Get cancer soulless husk.
>>331425478
It's as illegal as attempting suicide
Self-harm is a crime
>>331420626
>95-120 years
WHAT IN THE FUCKING FLYING HOLY MOTHER OF FUCKING SHIT?
>>331425478
>>331425523
>>331425218
See
>>331425079
If ROMS are illegal then the company downloading them is also violating the law.
>>331425714
It's only natural.
Once companies will be able to stream everything anywhere they will force it because it makes them more money.
And the customers will have no choice but to accept it.
>>331425632
Replace the first instance of 'Nintendo' with 'pirate' and it's equally as asinine.
>>331420634
>went googling for some shitty porn just to masturbate for 37th time this week
>standards
>>331425615
Where do you live?
South Italian here I've seen cops buying pirated movies in full uniform
>>331425573
Nope. First Sale Doctrine says I legally own my copy all my NES and SNES carts. Just not the IP.
>>331420125
That sure looks like a TASTY bowl of flour!
>>331425806
But there's an opening for other companies to offer non streamed software.
>>331425717
Most people get past covering their ears and screaming NO when they hear something they don't like when they're a toddler, anon. You're taking manchild to a new level.
>>331425232
That is not illegal where I live, get fucked.
>>331425714
You underestimate the power of those companies
>Windows 10 happens
>literally spyware that sells you out to the goverement and other companies
>even if you disable automatic updates on 7 and 8 it will wants to install itself on your PC
>if you do everything to stop it they still try by forcing every new GPU and CPU to work on 10 only so once you need to upgrade you will get forced to use Windows 10
The only alternative is staying behind and never using anything new after that point.
>>331425750
Some laws need to be repealed.
We have too many humans on Earth. We can't hunt them, and we forbid them to Sodoku. only thing left is shitty healthcare systems.
>>331425806
Or you can steal a license from a store, use a keygen, hack the servers etc.
>>331425523
>digital media should be limited by artificial scarity because reasons
Get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked you stupid pleb
>>331421663
piracy =//= stealing
>>331419317
If that's true and Nintendo owns the rights to the rom, how is it illegal?
>>331420626
>95-120 years
And people act like there is nothing wrong with copyright laws.
>>331426002
>licenses
Won't exist.
Just like today you can't just steal a 10 dollar Steam wallet card in your post office - It won't work if its not going through the table first.
>hack the servers
Yeah. Get on it scriptkiddies.
>>331426004
>Ook ook ook gibe me da free shiet
>>331425960
He's right though. You're the one acting like a manchild insisting nobody owns the physical copies of games they bought.
Companies want royalties for each copy of something that is sold. That is a right.
But after a particular copy is sold, the consumer can (and should be able to) sale, rent, or dispose of their copy in any way they'd like. That is the consumer's right.
Computer software is given an exception by congress on certain aspects of the first sale doctrine. (Software for video game devices was exempted from that exception.)
Digital software and the legalese that goes with them have been treated differently by the courts than physical goods.
You are wrong. It's as simple as that.
>>331421839
On paper it's still breaking the law which is what everyone has to follow. You can come up with your own justification, but it's still breaking the law. I use emulators and don't think it's hurting the business of any of the big game corps, but I'm not gonna say it's not against the law.
>>331426004
This
Imagine if you could make infinite copies of medicine and save but copyrights sto-
Oh wait, yeah people die because of this
>>331426119
>waaaaaah pirated copies are killing my collectors value on my collection of games waaaaaaaaaah
Suck my nuts kid.
>>331421341
>Whether you like it or not is irrelevant
The fuck? That's the opposite of how Democracy is supposed to work.
>>331425960
You are either payed to propagate lies about EULA cancer and DRM cancer or are too young and brainwashed so you propagate lies about EULA cancer and DRM cancer.
I do not care which one is it, you are a cancerous tool, pointed against basic human rights and freedoms.
Get cancer and die in pain.
>>331424043
There's not much reason to doubt it. For NES games, the circuit board layout is actually important and that information can't be derived from the ROM itself. This is why headers needed to be created. Why would Nintendo bother creating their own format for the exact same small amount of information? That's basically anathema to a programmer's mindset. The existence of this header also doesn't mean they literally downloaded the rom. Simply following the header format will result in an identical file. There are also 3rd party tools that can scan the raw ROM data, and affix the proper header, which again results in the same file. The existence of the header doesn't actually give you any information regarding where the file came from, only that Nintendo decided to re-use the most popular header format.
A similar issues happens in say, in how most SNES emulators just straight up contain the SNES BIOS. The SNES BIOS is so small, and is literally just a list of instructions priming the sound processor at startup, that it would be basically impossible to copyright. You could go out of your way to rewrite the file a little bit to be cosmetically different, but there's only so much you can do to hide re-using raw information that the system must have in order to work.
>>331426128
>Companies want royalties on every copy sold
I'm not selling, I'm sharing for free
>>331424508
>everything will get streamed
No, everything commercially rented out to you might get streamed, but the same autists that make linux distros and free software in general will still release shit as downloadable.
>>331419317
Frank hardly has a leg to stand on since he's responsible for Mega Man Legacy Collection and that's literally just 6 roms and an emulator.
>some guy buys all the limited physical copies
>''ha ,get fucked i will sell those 100 bucks each and make a fortune''
>publisher decides to offer the game digital via e-store
>''Noooooooooo, how can they do that? Don't support that! Just pirate it!''
>>331426142
>On paper it's still breaking the law which is what everyone has to follow
The fact that almost everyone doesn't (including the companies themselves) means it's effectievely a Dead Letter Law. Or at least it would be if these scumfuck companies didn't abuse it.
Only retards pay for old Nintendo ROMS. I downloaded NES LOZ when I was like 11 and played it on an emulator on my computer. Kids these days have even easier access to these ROMs so they're mentally deficient if they have to get their parents to pay for a ROM.
>>331425523
Yeah, I should have paid $300 to try out Burning Rangers on my Sega Saturn instead of just pirating it.
>>331426397
>Just pirate it!''
Wouldn't that destroy the value of limited physical copies even further.
If anything collectorfags would be anti-piracy.
>>331421951
ayyyyy lmao
>>331426482
Collectorsfags are all about digital copies being worthless.
So its the best way to discredit digital as a format by saying buying a game on Steam or GOG is dumb because you can pirate it and get the same value.
But people will still want to show their support so physical gets shown as the way to go. Which works for the collectorsfags.
>>331426413
Today's generation is completely tech-illiterate, they can only work within the confines of their GUIs and software that's already available.
>>331424438
Is it that Maplestory-like robot game that they tried for just a little bit and then axed?
>>331421581
Corporations have exactly the same rights as individuals.
Let's say you self-publish a book. You later find out that someone is distributing a free e-book version. You own the copyright of that e-book, and can do whatever you want with it. The overwhelming majority of the time people/companies would just issue a cease and desist notice, but if you felt so inclined you could take that e-book and start selling it.
>>331425786
To put that in perspective, something made before world war 2 could have been copyrighted and still not be in public domain.
>>331426315
>Anon points out how the law works
>GET CANCER AND DIE
I'd try and make fun of you, but you probably have actual mental disabilities so I'd feel bad about it.
I can claim shit too. Just because it's big letters doesn't make it true
>>331422290
what did you expect from Korean wire hanger dolls?
>>331419317
>illegally donwloaded
>something you create yourself.
>buy virtual console game boy game
>you can change the color pallete
>gameboy border
>digital manual
>take screenshots with miiverse
Why are Virtual Console games so comfy, bros?
>>331425464
no that's just yours.
>>331426758
They didn't create the ROM version, which by their own words exists illegalyl.
>>331426447
>good Saturn emulation
good luck with that
>>331423435
5 years is too short even in terms of technological advances
10 is the best 20 is too long.
>virtual Red/Blue/Yellow get released
>''Why do you guys buy this? Just emulate it on phone or PC''
>''Playing it on a real Gameboy is the only way to play them''
>''Companies shouldn't have the rights to sell their own products''
>''If a game is more than 5 years old it should become free by default because it doesn't sell that much anymore anyways!''
The excuses never stop. Just say you are poor. People buy games to support their favorite franchises.
>>331426673
Who makes the laws?
Who is exempt from following the same laws?
>>331426943
who said emulation? If you don't care about the safety of your saturn you can play pirate copies with just some duct tape
>>331421219
Disney sued a daycare center for painting a Snow White mural. Sure, it was a business, but no one was making any money and it was only a decoration. Yet Disney was in the right. People just don't understand how evil copyright law is.
If the asshats who (technically) own Happy Birthday could collect every time someone sings it, even in the shower, they would. And the law would be on their side. (Snopes is wrong about this, IMO.)
The Superbowl was considering going after people who had Superbowl parties above a certain number of people.
Copyright law is an insidious evil destroying our society. Internet piracy is bringing this to light because it's never been so easy to communicate/distribute before. It used to be big cartels owned everything.
>>331425332
>Half life is a great game
HELLO REDDlT
>>331419317
Pretty sure Nintendo owns Super Mario Bros??
>>331426673
>>Anon points out how the law works
That anon was also wrong about how the law works.
Might want to project a little less next time.
>>331427353
The ROMs of it are still illegal. Nintendo admits this themselves, even when the explanation of how they'd end up benifiting from it was explained to them.
>>331420354
I know that feel
>>331427298
HELLO CONTRARIAN
>>331426673
>Anon is perfectly rational
>I AM SILLY
>>331427440
Well the pirates surely don't have a cart of Super Mario Bros laying around. That's usually the point of piracy.
That is however Nintendo's game, so I don't see the problem with them putting out their own game. Pirate tears aside about their unpaid works to steal content, that game is Nintendo's.
>>331427584
Get cancer was definitely said three times.
I AM SILLY anon didn't make a good case.
>>331427440
>The ROMs of it are still illegal. Nintendo admits this themselves, even when the explanation of how they'd end up benifiting from it was explained to them.
Then complain to the government about it.
Take them to court over it.
>>331427598
You're completely missing the point. It's not about unpaid work or stolen content. The fact that it's Nintendo's game doesn't make them any less hypocritical when this happens >>331425079
>>331419972
This
>>331419317
Why didn't Nintendo just rip the fucking game from the cartridges they most likely have?
Why did they just download a 20 yr old rip of SMB and sell it?
Is that even legal?!
>>331427584
Oh I'm sorry, I should have put the part where he hoped someone died an extremely painful death over a video game discussion in lowercase, my bad.
>>331427692
And neither did you.
Honestly you should probably get cancer
>>331427831
>neither did you
????
I'm just passing by man. Relax.
>>331427731
Why do you assume Nintendo is technologically competent enough to do that?
We're talking about a video game developer who couldn't even figure out how to use 3D models for Super Mario Maker's NSMB skin, so they had to use high quality sprites.
>>331427802
You're no less mentally disabled than he is.
>>331427884
Well it's true, you didn't.
Also that was obviously directed at the original post.
>>331427924
The copy is illegal
Nintendo should not be allowed to redistribute illegal software for profit
Understand?
>>331427914
If you think what they did was illegal, sue them.
Otherwise, shut up.
>>331427298
>implying Half life isnt a great game
My first contact with 4chan was in 2006. and in a few months it will be my 10th anivercary since I first came to /a/ looking for mecha anime, Macross and Granzort to be precise.
I used reddit for programming and technology news until the digg faggots came in 2010. and since then I very rarely use it and only to respond to personal messages.
Reddit was a better web site before 2010.
>>331427982
Well actually, I did state a fact.
>>331425481
>>331425717
>>331426315
>Get cancer
And little else to the posts in question. They were shitposts.
>>331427996
Here's a (You).
>>331420634
If I was ugly as you than I guess you shouldn't even have standards
>>331427996
>Nintendo should not be allowed to redistribute illegal software for profit
It's only illegal because it wasn't sanctioned by the sofware owner.
This obviously is, so there is no problem.
>>331428013
You still haven't denied that it's illegal. Nintendo thinks what they did is illegal according to their interview.
Telling me to shut up doesn't change the hypocrisy.
>>331428108
>Well actually, I did state a fact.
Except it wasn't an actual fact, just a misintepretation of ownership for the sake of argument. You are shitposting
>>331428195
Get cancer was anon's go to phrase.
>>331422093
>How can you possible not have a backup of stuff?
Square and Enix had some ultra-traditional managers. At one point, the source code for several games was only archived on paper printouts.
Some teams also required that code only be shared by mailed and faxed paper printouts, rather than over the internet.
>>331427980
>Why do you assume Nintendo is technologically competent enough to do that?
Because they make vidya?
>We're talking about a video game developer who couldn't even figure out how to use 3D models for Super Mario Maker's NSMB skin, so they had to use high quality sprites.
Would you like the Wii U to crap out once you see thousands of vidya models on the screen at once?
>>331428119
>This obviously is,
But it wasn't. Nintendo didn't sanction the creation of those ROMs. They just decided to take advantage of it (which they themselves admit is illegal) when it benifited them.
>>331428124
No, what pirates did was illegal.
The ROM itself is something owned by Nintendo, someting they can do anything they want with.
Anybody else using it, THAT is what Nintendo called illegal.
So, unless you can take them to court for it, it isn't illegal.
>>331423752
This makes me think you play games longer than 10 hours.
Please get some standards and don't so that.
This is what's wrong with the industry.
Nothing but dumb customers with a lot of money to burn.
>>331427249
Didn't the Happy Birthday copyright expire a month or 2 ago?
>>331428240
Your shitposting doesn't warrant more than shitposting.
>>331428342
>shitposting
Is this a new spin on "Get cancer" since that was already called out?
>>331427440
Technically, ROMs aren't illegal. They're just an archival format, so you could be using them to store a back-up copy of software you legitimately own.
The distribution of ROMs is illegal, but the file format itself isn't.
>Indie dev
>Make game
>Release game, give the option to buy it from my own site
>People pirate it, I don't even care that much, live and let live
>Suddently servers fuck up
>The copy I used to sell is gone
>Dev friend that keeps the original copy is miles away, won't be able to send me the file via cloud
>Every minute I lose is potential money gone
>Fuck it
>Decide to download a pirated copy of my own game
>Download it and upload it in my own server, put site and link back
>All is fine and working
>Suddently fedora piratefag finds that out
>Goes to a convention sperging for what I did
>Complains I can't download and sell my own game
>The game I did and copyrighted
Wew
>>331422290
>asian
>ass
not sure what you were expecting m8.
>>331428385
You stole the cracked executable which was likely wrote by someone else. That was not your game.
>>331428374
You were called out a while ago for your disinfo so you're just shitposting at this point.
>>331424438
you only live once, anon.
>>331428269
>They just decided to take advantage of it (which they themselves admit is illegal) when it benifited them.
Which is perfectly legal for them to do.
The owner is allowed to do things that a pirateniggers isn't.
Deal with it.
>>331420301
> $15 = $20
Well you're clearly functionally retarded, so everything you have to say about anything is meaningless
>>331423635
I learned that sometimes sometimes to make these images the photoshop the nipples out. Makes it so they can give better placement to the straps/hair depending on the light and angle
>>331428474
What disinfo? I came in right here >>331427692
and I was able to point you to the get cancer highlights >>331428108
What's the problem?
>>331428470
>cracked executable
There was no DRM. Plain and clean .exe.
>That was not your game
kek, of course not, oh my
>>331428470
>You stole the cracked executable which was likely wrote by someone else. That was not your game.
Then sue them for stealing from you.
>>331419972
>Nintendo got their entire VC library from coolroms and then made them take it all down
>>331419317
Because I don't want to pay for them.Or I want to play games I already own at 1080p.
>>331427249
The Olympic games tried "copyrighting" numbers and common terms.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/23/olympic_law_unfair_claim/
>The law means that advertisers cannot use any two of the following terms together: 'Games', 'Two thousand and twelve', '2012' and 'Twenty twelve'. Neither can they use one of those terms in conjunction with any of: 'Gold', 'Silver', 'Bronze', 'London', 'Medals', 'Sponsors', 'Summer'. Breaking the terms of the Act could result in a £20,000 fine.
>>331428501
>Which is perfectly legal for them to do.
Not according to Nintendo
>>331428617
pure cancer
>>331428270
>>331428585
>So, unless you can take them to court for it, it isn't illegal.
That's not how it works. It doesn't suddenly become legal just because you don't have the legal resources to take them to court over it.
>>331428642
Tell me exactly where Nintendo said it was illegal for Nintendo to do so.
It is illegal for literally everybody else, but them.
>>331419317
There is absolutely no difference between a pirate rom and the original, they both have the same strings of 0's and 1's
assuming you verify it with the original, they are identical.
>>331428108
You must be payed to do this...
Realize what you are doing and try to reevaluate your life.
Oh and get ass cancer and die in your own shit.
>>331427141
See >>331423112
Copyrights should protect the consumer never the jew
>>331419317
It's lazy at best but hardly illegal since it's their intellectual property.
>>331428716
>>331425079
If they say ROMs exist illegally then they shouldn't be able to use them.
>>331428713
>That's not how it works. It doesn't suddenly become legal just because you don't have the legal resources to take them to court over it.
If it's a question of mere resources, I'll borrow you a million $, now go sue them.
>>331424445
I gigglesquee'd so hard that I sharted
here's your upvote
>>331428553
>What disinfo?
This disinfo>>331425013
>You always buy licenses.
>Thats how it always has been.
Get cancer tool.
>>331428720
>>331428860
You guys have my mixed up for someone else, but if you say so.Take it easy, cancerposting friends.
That recent Capcom Legacy Collection is worse.
They claimed they had remade the games on a new engine, but were just running them through a bad emulator.
>>331428470
>Be piratecuck
>Pirate a game
>Put a watermark on it and insert my site link and logo before the game starts for dickwaving
>Hurr now the game is totally mine, not yours, developer
I'm speechless.
>>331428553
The "get cancer" posts were in response to shitposting.
>>331428617
But that's the law so it's okay :^)
>>331428987
Could've said that earlier.
Usually >>331427584 is a shitpost itself so I took the convo the wrong way.
>>331428926
Backpadal all you want I care not.
>>331427914
>Its odd, but not morally wrong in any way.
Neither is piracy, despite the millions of dollars the corporate media spends on campaigns to convince the public otherwise (and judging by neo /v/ it looks like it's pretty effective)
They wouldn't be able to profit in the first place if Nintendo was able to stop the ROM from fucking existing by abusing copyright laws.
>>331429187
Can't backpedal if I didn't go anywhere.
>>331419317
oh OP you are going to get banned for a few days because of this post. Mods love their nintendo.
>>331429124
I did say that earlier
Also the post your quoting is also in response to a shitpost
WHat the fuck are these idiots doing?
They are going to get ROMs removed from websites pulling bullshit like this.
Why even do this knowing its Nintendo license, knowing they can do whatever they fuck they want with it and know Nintendo can sue on the spot, of the website hosting it, after they broke licensing agreement of never to make illegal copies or give away free under piracy?
Iam not saying its right of Nintendo to do that, but goddamn these fags trying to turn their attention to Nintendo rom websites now.
>>331429258
>Also the post your quoting is also in response to a shitpost
Yeah you're right I took a better look.
>>331429189
meant for >>331427924
>>331421075
last I checked /v didn't like ANY youtuber you fucking faggot.
know what's fucking sad. I have been posting on 4chan since youtube was even a fucking thing. I'm 30 if you fucking faggots were curios.
>>331428931
>be Gabe Newell
>pirate Quake source code
>slap some textures and make a standalone mod with watermarks and add a logo to it λ
>sell mod as a new game and call it Half Life
>earn billions of dollars
I am a pirate and Gaben is a victim of the fascist piratacy holocousting his fat billionaire ass.
>>331422908
>selling stolen work for a profit.
it's not stolen work you stupid mother fucker.
It's literally their game and their copyright. It's their property.
Did iqs suddenly drop while I was away?
>>331420354
My boyfriends girlfriend has a legtattoo
It looks nice
>>331428931
>Be Nintendocuck
>Someone pirates your game from 30 years ago
>Scream HURR BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL when people ask why pirating old games is wrong
>You're so utterly incompetant you can't even use your own source to port the game to newer hardware
>pirate the rom yourself in order to do so while condeming pirates in the process
>>331429235
You clearly are stuck, frozen in place, and exposed for your cancerous shilling, tool.
>>331429378
>I'm 30 and I'm STILL posting on /v/
Holy shit anon when did your life go so horribly wrong?
>>331421335
>You're alright, don't come to 4chan in November
Thank you /pol/
>>331429603
>shill anon probably left a long time ago
>so here we are left behind in a back and forthSo how's your day?
Remember when Iwata said the VC was going to be a free service and /v/ went apeshit insane when they announced the prices?
Good times.
>>331429571
The work of a pirate that dumped the game from the cartridge to make a ROM.
Pirate did it for love of games and not to make a profit.
>We can't have GBA games on the 3DS even though it makes perfect sense
>drones always say "but the GBA emulation isn't perfect"
>We can't have SNES games on the 3DS even though it makes perfect sense
>drones always say "but they have to make the emulation perfect for every game they put on the eShop"
>iNES header in Super Mario Bros ROM on eShop
>>331422420
Because the game is 10 years old.
Easier to use a crack on a retail release than start digging for original files.
What /v/ thought me today is that if someone saves a drawing I did and uploads it on another site with slightly cropped resolution, I can't claim that drawing is mine anymore and I have no right to download it. The internet, what a strange place.
>>331429574
>my boyfriend's girlfriend
>>331429527
Absolutely vomit-inducing
Jesus fucking Christ copyrights over 30 years are beyond insane
>football player about to kick a freekick
>kicks it
>referee blows his whistle
>THAT WAS A VIOLATION OF TGE CR7A, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE COPYRIGHT TO KICK LIKE THAT
>YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL
>>331419317
[citation needed]
>>331429921
What /v/ thought me today is that if I sue the pants off everyone who saves a drawing I did and uploads it on another site with slightly cropped resolution and lobby to make this act completely illegal punishble by harsh prison sentences, I'm not a hypocrite for downloading the same cropped drawing and selling them as if it was the original.
>>331428713
Sort of but without enforcers the law is meaningless.
Ideas of (intellectual) property now that the internet is commonplace really need to change.
There's still to this day nothing worse than a corporate bootlicker. Maybe I can understand for the state, but for a company? Come the fuck on.
>>331430083
Which is why current copywright laws are bumfuckingly retarded, it essentially creates illegal media cartels that have control over everyone's work.
>>331430105
You can still download the rom fagola they're not breaking down your door to force you to buy it
I might as well post here for an opinion this opinion about vidya and public domain
>A few days ago I inadvertently caused a bit of a fuss. In writing about GOG’s Time Machine sale, I expressed my two minds about the joy of older games being rescued from obscurity, and my desire that they be in the public domain. This led to some really superb discussion about the subject in the comments below, and indeed to a major developer on Twitter to call for me to be fired.
>I wanted to expand on my thoughts, rather than leave them as a throwaway musing on a post about a website’s sale. But I also want to stress that these are my thoughts-in-process, and not those of [Website] hivemind. This isn’t a petition – it’s an exploration of my thoughts on the subject. Let’s keep that in mind as we decide whether I should indeed fire myself.
>I said it frustrates me that games more than a couple of decades old aren’t entering the public domain. Twenty years was a fairly arbitrary number, one that seems to make sense in the context of games’ lives, but it could be twenty-five, thirty. It’s not the point here. My point was, and is, that I have a desire for artistic creations to more quickly (indeed, at all) be released into the public domain, after a significant period of time during which the creator can profit.
>This annoyed a number of high profile names in the industry, leading to some suggesting that I don’t want developers to get paid, be able to eat, and so on. As this isn’t the case, I want to get into the subject far deeper.
>So before we move on to the nuances of the argument, let’s get one thing out of the way: Expressing a desire for a game to enter the public domain, let’s say twenty years after publication, does not in any sense whatsoever suggest a desire for developers to not get paid. I resent having to type this....continue
>>331429628
1/10 I read it
>>331430193
I agree completely. I don't know ho I'm talking to anymore.
>>331430202
They're just pushing to make it systematically illegal to download them. If they could force you to buy it they would if they could.
>>331430079
>I'm not a hypocrite for downloading the same cropped drawing and selling them as if it was the original
Of course i'm not. I did that drawing.
>>331429748
Pretend to be retarded, that is the best trick for you now.
Nintendo did nothing wrong, Bernie-cucks.
Furthermore, if I create IP, my I want my kids and their kids making money off of it if I so choose. Come up with your own ideas. Easy for you to claim the right to my creative work when you're a poorfag both in wallet and mind.
>>331430220 if is not obvious I did not write this.
>It’s a bit like finding yourself having to say that you’re not in favour of gruesomely starving children to death because you expressed a thought that they probably shouldn’t get to exclusively eat at McDonald’s. What I am in fact saying is: “developers should get paid for the work they do, and then keep getting paid for the same bit of work, over and over and over for the next twenty years, even though they stopped doing any work related to it many years ago.” It’s not entirely apparent how the two sentiments are being confused.
>Well, it is, actually – I’m being facetious. The two are being deliberately conflated by a contingent who find the possibility of cultural artifacts ever returning to the culture that spawned them to be so repellent that they must eliminate anything that treads even close to challenging what they see as their perpetual rights to profit from ancient work. (And let’s be clear here – creators are arguing for perpetual copyright here, far outreaching even the current grasp of the law.)
>I think the best approach here is to address the most frequent questions directly:
>"People need a financial incentive to create. If you take that away, it will harm creativity."
>I think this argument is so astronomically false that my hat flies clean off my head when I read it. It’s so ghastly, so gruesomely inaccurate, such a wretched perspective of humans – these wonderful creatures so extraordinarily bursting with creative potential – and it makes me want to weep. The idea that creativity is only feasible if there’s a financial reward is abundantly demonstrably false...........
>>331430273
Thanks, your late reply means that I hit you close to home.
>>331430417
t. Disney Cuck
>>331429874
Remember when they also said the 3ds is incapable of running snes games but there's already working emulators for it?
>>331429908
Yup.
It's almost as if they're abandoning their former fanbase and focusing on children because they're gullible and will buy anything!
>>331430303
Sure.So how about that day? You don't have to be so tough to converse with broski.
>>331430296
And instead of selling that drawing or an authentic derivative, you're selling the bootleg version that you're trying to punish people for.
And on top of that you're selling the bootleg to people as an authentic copy.
Not hypocritical or ethically dubious at all. Nope.
>>331430296
It's not the otiginal, it's an illegal copy
You're using something that should never have existed, something you yourself described as harmful and dangerous for your own economic well being, a threat to your very existence
>>331430451
>....For someone to make their living from creative pursuits relies on some sort of financial return, yes. Creativity is not dependent on its being one’s living. That’s enormously crucial to remember. But even when talking about those seeking to make their living, the notion that a finite stretch of time in which exclusive profits can be made doesn’t prevent anyone from becoming a multi-millionaire from their work. An eventual transition to the public domain would in no sense take away the financial incentive to create.
>And not only does an argument for a more imminent end to copyright periods than the current monstrosities like “life plus 70 years” not inhibit someone from making a living from their creative works, but it also doesn’t even mean they couldn’t continue making a living from the creative works they produced after the copyrights have expired – that’s the magic of Public Domain! They just then share the ability to profit from those works with others. I’m going to get into this far more deeply below.
>While it might well stop Cliff Richard from being able to replace all the chandeliers in his mansions with money made from a song he recorded sixty years ago and hasn’t touched since, the potential of entry to the public domain is not going to make anyone poor. And I’m perfectly okay with Cliff’s dusty decor, not least because at the time of his recording said song, he would have agreed to that song’s entering the public domain by now.
"But why shouldn’t someone get to own their own ideas? They created them, after all."
>This is where things get a bit philosophical/metaphysical. But it comes down to accepting that there is a material difference (literally) between a game and a table, a song and a car. One physically exists. The other doesn’t. One is a thing, the other is an idea. And ideas is what this is all about.
>>331430220
>This annoyed a number of high profile names in the industry, leading to some suggesting that I don’t want developers to get paid, be able to eat, and so on
That's funny because pretty much none of the original devs get paid for rereleases on virtual consoles and other cancer.
In the end of the day, the "pirates" who code emulators, dump roms and preserve data are the only people who care. It's just saddening
>>331430476
I don't agree with Disney stealing IP and copyrighting it like they obviously have. But their own creations? Nobody else deserves to benefit financially from their work but them.
More strawmen please, libtard.
>>331430626
>>331430637
Hold on, then that illegal copy should not even exist to begin with, isn't it?
>pirate like 10 games per month
>see these threads
>laugh my ass off
how can they seriously try to make me feel bad/insult me/demoralize when it feels so good to get free games holy shit
>youre not entitled to free games!! you must pay for them!
>piracy means lost sales!!!!
>implying that a pirate was gonna buy the game anyway
come here and stop me shills
>>331419317
Psht it's no SNK stealing scene releases like 20 seperate times.
>A single person / company can own an idea
Literally the most retarded thing "gamers" STILL defend
>>331430702
Piratefags don't want to benefit financially retard. They want to be able to use their products however they want aside from make money off them.
>>331430545
Fuck that other anon.
I'm having a great day.
I'm a little hung over, but besides that I'm eating leftovers for breakfast while getting ready to play some vidya.
>>331420621
>literally who memeulator
literally the 2nd nes emulator ever from 1996 and the first usable one.
the guy still maintains it 20 years later. some of his emus are or were retail, but a lot of the early emus were using his cpu cores and such for free
>>331420621
>doesn't understand how ROM dumps work
ok
>>331430815
Shhhhtt, just say it's ok when Nintendo does it, this is the purpose of this thread
>>331430702
>Nobody else deserves to benefit financially from their work but them.
Lots of people have this misconception about US copyright law. I don't really understand why.
Copyright law doesn't give a shit who's making how much when or where. Copyright only cares that copies are being made. See: >>331427249
Also nobody is strawmannig you, you're just a moron who thinks copyright is a partisian issue
>>331428038
What a sad life
>>331421225
>The fact that it can pretty much proves that it's using the old iNES standard.
consolewar shitposting aside I haven't seen actual proof that this is true other than op's post which only shows a powerpoint slide that claims it to be fact. can somebody competent actually pull up these headers or whatever and show us that it's actually true?
>>331430761
The pirate morally refuses the validity of that law so he's morally and intellectually consistent
>>331430663
>Everyone has experienced the dribble-chinned tedium of various copyright industries screeching, “BUT YOU WOULDN’T STEAL A CAR!”* at us, as we sit in the cinema to watch a film while being told about how it’s our fault that no one’s sitting in a cinema watching a film, or indeed as we sit back to enjoy our legally purchased DVD. The comparison is false. And it’s a false comparison that it’s very much in the interests of the copyright industries to have us conflate. No, I would no more steal a car than I would tolerate a company telling me that they had the exclusive rights to the idea of cars themselves. However, there are things I’m very happy to ‘steal’, like knowledge, inspiration, or good ideas. And it was until incredibly recently that amongst such things as knowledge, inspiration and good ideas were the likes of literature and music.
>The war for minds waged by the copyright industries over the last one hundred years has been so gruesomely effective that now the very suggestion that ideas are not immediately comparable with physical objects is met with violent anger. In a world where everyone alive has been raised in a system where Disney can pick the laws, it is perhaps not surprising that such contrary notions are met with such fury. What was once perceived to be a gross abuse is now ferociously defended by those abused by it.
>Sudden changes occurred at the turn of the last century, where once ideas that were shared by oral and aural traditions, or indeed in copied texts, were confined to pieces of plastic. A couple of generations later, and these confinements were accepted as the only possibility. CONTINUING
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>>331430690
Developer's outrage is funny, let's consider Stalker, that is a open world game thanks to the art designer, he was a key element in its success, does he get anything from it nowadays, hell no, but Stalker copyright is still on.
>>331421367
>lost
they deleted it
>>331430859
If you want to use my work for any reason, get my permission or give me money. Simple as that.
>>331430930
I think it's more SNK is so poor that everyone just laughs at them when they do it since they can't afford to actually port their games.
>>331430767
I won't stop you.
In fact, I agree.
I am steadily losing interest in the hobby though, and I don't see the reason why I should be paying for games on hardware that isn't regularly sold anymore.
In addition, while I do pirate 3ds games, I go out and buy the ones that I actually enjoy.
>>331430865
>play some vidya
I still need to work on my backlog. But the big obstacles is the fact the ones that have my interest right now are shoot 'em ups.
I had some gas station tier shit for breakfast.
>mfw everyone in this thread
You all need to go play some videogames.
>>331431020
The Nintendo morally refuses the validity of that law until it benifits them so they're morally and intellectually inconsistent
>>331431021
>Then the relatively recent ubiquity of the internet has suddenly revealed this to be as transient and ethereal as it always was. However, vast industries had been built up around this temporary imprisoning of ideas, and they’re not all that delighted about their reign coming to its natural end
>Copyright has come full circle. Introduced in the 17th century as a form of censorship, an attempt by the monarchy to prevent the new-fangled printing press from being able to easily disseminate Protestant information, it was after a couple of hundred years eventually fenced into something vaguely useful. It stood to defend a creator’s right to protect their creations for a limited period, before they re-entered the public domain. Based in an understanding that creations are not uniquely birthed from the mind of a single individual, but rather the results of a massive collective sharing of cultural ideas over thousands of years, it made sense for their creation to be set free again at a later date. Those who found a demand for their creations, when they applied this shared culture to their own projects, would therefore receive recompense, either through patronage, or through payment for sales and performance. And they could (and can) continue to do so in perpetuity. Only, after that agreed period of time (different lengths in different nations), they would no longer exclusively own rights to that idea.
>But now copyright seeks to protect individuals, not ideas. In fact, its purpose is to restrict the free flowing of ideas, to prevent cultural exchange, for the profit of the few. Copyright itself is the threat to future creativity, attempting to artificially restrict that most human of actions: sharing ideas. It has returned to its origins, and exists as a form of censorship. Not a censorship many are willing to recognise as such, so successful and endemic is the international brainwashing by the copyright industries, but the censorship of ideas all the same...
>>331423174
>t.
is this the new epic meme?
>>331431069
Let me explain it better. By use their product I mean make copies, share them etc. Also people are allowed to use your IP however they want for non commercial purposes. I can make fanfic about your OC Donut Steel and you can't stop me.
>>331431162
No I need to argue on 4chan why piracy is immoral and unjustifiable. Maybe I'll convince someone on here to stop it and buy more games
>>331422218
They look disgusting. I'm okay with black people with black tattoos, like Mike Tyson because they look fine.
>>331431187
t. legit newfag
>>331430956
All I had to read was the first sentence.
>Sure it was a business...
Ok. Decorations attract business. They were making money off of Snow White.
They aren't entitled to that, dipshit. If they wanted to buy a Snow White poster they could have done that instead.
>>331430865
mom
mommy
ahhhh
>>331431163
It's actually that they love it until it harms them
So they change opinion
So they're inconsistent
So fuck them
>>331431162
Sure thing, senpai.
>>331431185
>So why shouldn’t someone get to own ideas like they own a table? Because ideas don’t exist in an ownable form, are born of the shared cultural mass of humanity, and you can’t rest a coffee mug on an idea.
"But why shouldn’t someone be allowed to continue profiting from their idea for as long as they’re alive?"
>Putting aside that an embracing of the public domain does not prevent someone from profiting from their idea, my response to this question is: why should they?
>What I’ve found interesting about asking this question of people is that I’ve yet to receive an answer. I’m either told it’s on me to explain why they shouldn’t, as if I hadn’t just spent thousands of words doing that, or I’m told that they just should. I’ve noticed a complete unwillingness for people to stop and engage with the question. Why should someone get to profit from something they did fifty years ago? In what other walk of life would we willingly accept this as just a given? If a policeman demanded that he continue to be paid for having arrested a particular criminal thirty-five years ago, he’d be told to leave the room and stop being so silly. “But the prisoner is still in prison!” he’d cry, as he left the police station, his pockets out-turned, not having done any other work in the thirty-five years since and bemused as to why he wasn’t living in a castle.
>What about the electrician who fitted the lighting in your house. He requires a fee every time you switch the lights on. It’s just the way things are. You have to pay it, because it’s always been that way, since you can remember. How can he be expected to live off just fitting new lights to other houses? And the surgeon’s royalties on that heart operation he did – that’s the system. Why shouldn’t he get paid every time you use it?
>>331431069
Fair Use you faggot.
>hurr but piracy isn't fair use
I don't care, get fucked.
>>331420635
>google image
>ba weep grah nah weep nini bong
>>331431398
You can't have actually posted this and thought you were making anything resembling a point.
I refuse to believe you are actually this dumb. This is bait.
>>331431008
I am not the one crying and complaining.
Some from my generation, that thought they were smarter than me and that laughed in my face, are dead now...
I can tell you the story of my dead teammate from my towns handball club if you are interested.
>>331431531
>google image
>Shiiiiit Sheeeeeit Shit Sheeeit
>>331431114
I've been finding shmups fun as well.
I just started playing the first gba fire emblem recently. It's pretty damn good.
I only picked it up because of all the asspain about the FE:Fates localization, and I wish I would have played it sooner.
>>331431321
If I catch you making money off of my shit, I'm coming for my share. And if I want that should be 100%.
>>331431398
>everything in this post
>>331419317
How fucking lazy can you be?
>>331431469
>So why should a singer get to profit from a recording of his doing some work thirty-five years ago? The answer “because it’s his song” just isn’t good enough. It was PC Ironburns’ arrest. “But creating that song may have taken years!” PC Ironburns spent years investigating the crimes before he caught that pesky crim! The electrician had to study for years to become proficient enough to rig up lighting. The doctor spent seven years in medical school! Imagine if this system we wholly accept from creative industries were accepted elsewhere – the ensuing chaos would be extraordianry. Take Broussard’s claim above, that “Creatives have a right to be paid indefinitely on their work”, and switch out “Creatives” for any other job. “Dentists”, “teachers”, “librarians”, “palaeontologists”… It starts to appear a little ludicrous.
>The answer, “Because they should” just doesn’t address the question. That instinctive response is one born of the capturing of culture by industry, bred into us from birth. To stop, shake it off, and approach the question anew takes considerable effort. But then once shaken, the light suddenly comes shining in.
>Why do we, as people who likely make money by working a regular job and getting paid for the time we spend doing it, so vigorously defend this peculiar model that is the antithesis of our existence?
CONTINUING
>>331431481
We'll settle it in court.
>>331431398
Yeah and when I wear a mickey mouse shirt while working the cash register that attracts business too so i shouldn't be allowed to do that right?
>>331419317
Piracy is what preserves games for the future, without it the entire library of arcade games and any games before 7th gen would have been lost unless those who owned the IP decide to re-sell it. That would have been 40 or so years of lost content for no reason other than "well the law said its not okay to copy it so its wrong"
>>331431661
Good thing you don't make any shit worth taking
>>331422093
It's pretty easy, development is very hard and fast, and games were always considered a 'one and done' affair, where you'd toss out the old components after you were finished making it. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s especially there was not as much consideration for historical or artistic significance. Even now it happens to amateurs.I've lost shit I've worked on due to being a dumbass and not backing things up
>>331430865
thicker
>>331431594
Fix your brain then.
>>331431727
>>331431469
>>331431185
Holy fuck can you just tl;dr this shit or something?
>>331431661
You can do that and piratefags (the moral ones) are okay with that.
>>331431727
"I can’t believe you’re arguing that developers shouldn’t be able to profit from their games."
>Let’s bring this back to videogames. Games feel different from songs, even films, don’t they? They’re modern. They weren’t even a concept before copyright had so grotesquely morphed into its current form. The industry was born into a world where creators already assumed a life-long possession of their particular manipulation of the culture they’d received from others. It is, perhaps even more than film, music or literature, an industry that has grown up most at odds with the concept of the public domain. (Which anyone over the age of 30 will recognise as quite a grim irony, as they recall the days of public domain gaming in the early 90s.)
>And unlike music, theatrical productions, or story, they never pre-existed in a plastic-free form. (We could of course argue about snakes & ladders, hopscotch and ‘it’, of course, but for the sake of simplicity, we won’t.) I accept that it’s perhaps a far bigger cultural shift to accept that the whizzy graphics and explosions are, when all is pulled apart, ethereal concepts, ideas of 1s and 0s bouncing off our retinas, as possible to hold in our hands as a memory of an aunt’s house. But as much as it may not instinctively feel like it, it remains entirely true.
>But games, unlike some other creative pursuits, are often made by huge teams of people. While there may be a project lead, this isn’t like a book’s author. This is a company. People getting paid to do their job, to make a game. The rights to the game, the ownership, lies with the publisher that funds it, not the creatives who create it.
>When a 20, 30 year old game is still being charged for, not a single person who was involved in its creation is getting a dime.
Continuing...
>>331431781
Good luck finding me faggot.
Pirating isn't a crime in my country, much less considered stealing, because people are actually sane here. So yes, the law is giving me the right to pirate as I please because there aren't any legal consequences.
>>331431805
If you bought it from someone Disney permitted to print Mickey on it, you're good.
>>331431894
Blow yours out you corporate apologist.
>>331431643
Getting a job is an abstract kind of hell. Now I can afford all the videogames I didn't have a chance to play.
>>331431853
Bad for you though. Less shit to claim as your birthright.
>>331425791
This reminds me of that man who identified as a goof.
>>331431903
tl;dr Pirate whatever you want because someone getting paid money for the rest of their lives just because they made something to entertain people one time is a retarded system.
>>331432047
Lol holy shit you are a fag. You actually STILL think that was a good argument.
>>331431903
Bottom row, second from the left looks absolutely delicious.
>>331431398
>>331432047
t. Disney cuck
>>331431903
What's the matter? There are plenty of articles long various pages, never read anything on Gamasutra?
"But people who work deserve to get paid."
>I’m being as patient as possible. And this is where reasonable copyright laws to protect creative pursuits can step in. Agreed standards within the culture from which the ideas were born where we bestow financial worth upon the action of a creator generating those creations. Because despite the question that is still bursting from some people’s minds about how I don’t want anyone to get paid, I ADORE to see creative people getting paid.
>I even adore the idea of people getting paid for their work after copyrights have expired. Further, I absolutely believe that it is right and fair for anyone who works to make that public domain material available to me in a convenient form to be free to charge what they like for doing so. To those who interpreted my previous article as claim that GOG shouldn’t be able to charge for much older games, that’s entirely not the case. I’d just like GOG to be able to charge for their own work, and not to have to then include costs for the license they’re paying to whichever corporation owns the copyright on the game for which they had nothing to do with the creation.
"You’re a hypocrite, because writing is a creative industry, and you don’t give all your writing away for free, and you get paid"
>It’s polite to wait to find out if someone’s being hypocritical before calling them a hypocrite. However, despite there being little demand for videogame journalism written twenty years ago, and therefore not something I have to face too often, I do consider my older work to be in the public domain. I wrote for Future Publishing for about ten years, where my contract stated they had exclusive rights to the work for six months, and thereafter we shared rights to it in perpetuity..................
>>331429571
this would imply that nintendo dumped and released the ROM for pirates to download then, which they didn't.
>>331431953
Lucky you to live in that country, thief. If anyone in my country gets caught I'll sue him until he has to move in next door.
>>331432108
Man I wish hand drawn covers were still a thing
>>331432116
Not really. Nobody wants your shit, it's worthless.
>>331432063
>"Waaaaaa no free stuff for meeee"
>>331432197
>..... I have always immediately revoked any private rights to that Future work, and while I maintain the right to be recognised as the creator of the work, I’m delighted for anyone to use it in any fashion they see fit. If that person wanted to pay me for doing so, I’d be even further delighted. I believe in what I’m saying here.
"So what do you want to see changed then, apart from developers not getting paid for their work?"
>There are very few cases of developers making their living from the profits of games made 20 years ago. Gaming, as a medium, has a far more rapid expiry date than music, film or any other of its contemporaries. Despite rich retro scenes, and dedicated emulator projects, getting an old game running at all can be quite the ordeal. Sites like GOG do a wonderful job of preserving old games and making them easy to run, but this doesn’t directly translate to astonishing sales that will keep the original developer in caviar-coated Jaguars for the rest of their lives – in fact, it’s phenomenally unlikely that a penny of most sales will reach the developers at all. Other sites dedicated to getting forgotten games working again – abandonware, as it’s known – are fiercely threatened and shut down not by the creatives who designed the games, but by the company that bought the company that merged with the company that had the IP rights. And if you don’t like 20 years, because that’s the mid-90s, and it feels too dangerously close, then make it 30 years. Make it a sensible length of time that ensures that developers are richly rewarded for their efforts, and then it is released into the cultural wild – people’s to share, copy, remix or add to their own peculiar retro project’s catalogue. People who are, you know, actually doing some work to make it playable.
.......................Continuing
>>331432197
>Using Gamasutra as a credible source
>>331432264
>thief
Try again.
Stealing is theft. Piracy is copyright infringement. They're literally two separate things according to your own laws. Unless you're in Russia or something, I don't know.
>>331425183
>They don't deserve my mom's money.
FTFY.
>>331425232
>If downloading games you already own a rightful copy of is illegal then it sure as fuck is illegal when Nintendo does it.
Unlike consumers, Nintendo doesn't own a "rightful copy" of it. They own the actual game.
>>331432289
I created Mario which is what started this whole thread, nigger.
>>331432273
It is a rad cover. Import prices are only a momentary deterrent.
>>331432418
>And no, of course I don’t believe that gaming should be treated differently from other media. I believe other media should be rapidly reigned in to the same standards, before we see the cultural wells dry and crack.
>But hey, here’s a thing: I don’t have any power. My saying this, my believing in returning creativity to the pool from which it came, doesn’t mean anyone has to. Shocking news. I have no delusions that writing all this out is going to spark a world-wide revolution in copyright law. Again, stunning revelations. But what I do hope is that some people, an odd few, might connect to this in some way, and see fit to opt to let their games enter the public domain. Or commit to publish their games with a promise that after a certain amount of time, they will do so. Even opt to publish their games under Creative Commons copyleft licenses, in order to maintain all the legal rights and protections they need, without stifling the cultural world from which they so richly drew.
>And just in case, let’s do this one more time: I love it so much when talented people get handsomely rewarded for their great creative work. It brings joy to my heart when I see stories of the likes of Garry Newman or Marcus Persson becoming fantastically wealthy in response to their brilliant creations. Little makes me smile more broadly in an average day at work than reading the indie developer who’s reporting their game’s sales mean they can give up their day job and focus on what they love.
>Further, I would so enormously love to see a situation arise where we can see truly patron-led creative funding, where gaming communities put forward their money so that creatives producing truly wonderful gaming projects can do so without the need for commercial success.
>I want money flowing toward those whose talents warrant it like we’ve never seen before. I want developers to get paid.
DONE.
>>331428503
Nintendo shop has tax
>>331432364
More strawmen please, retard.
It's really funny to me that people actually pay for VC games.
>>331432536
And there it is
>defending a company that doesnt even makes a decent emulator themselves and doesnt even bother to dump their own games to sell them on the virtual console
>Paying for ROMs
well keep feeding money to them, so i can have more games to play on emulators faggots
>>331421387
How do they even find out?
So glad Trump means four more years of you commie faggots crying in your parents' basements.
>>331425079
But they're right, they just re-released the original pokemon game so people who ignore opt to use an emulator are just hurting sales.
>>331432773
>not wanting Jewish crony capitalism means you're a commie
>>331432773
dumb mobileposter
>>331432674
>typical liberal taking whatever he wants as evidence that he was right.
Good job, kiddo!
so... where are the header? I mean, there is a cuck talking shit on twitter but... the proofs?
>>331432446
What has that to do with anything? 1) This article is not from it, 2) That was just an example of a vidya website that has articles spanning various pages, they had some great articles about how videogames are made like with Crash Bandicoot or Spyro and piracy.
This is why I did not post a link because while 4chan is usually a refugee from "Forums" with their username and post counts and people should be judged solely by "the content of their post and not the color of their name" too often some are all too willing to insult something on the mere basis of where it comes from.
>>331432834
>people who ignore opt to use an emulator are just hurting sales.
there's a solid rant about how the current copyright laws don't meet the needs of the video game industry in here, though he gets a bit passionate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmvcJuBOaQE
>>331432893
Yeah, I can afford a smartphone. ;^)
>>331432901
>typical failed normie still trying to bait after getting exposed as a shitposter
Good job, kiddo!
>>331432773
>freedom is now synonymous with communism
What kind of bizarro world have I woken up in?
>>331433098
>"NORMIES REEEEEEEWWEEWWWW"
Get a job, autist.
>>331433051
>bragging about owning a smartphone on /v/
Glad I'll never stoop this low. You're an embarrasment.
>>331423330
And you would?
Educate us, pole.
>>331433148
Neo-/v/ my friend.
>>331432921
We never have proof of anything around here. So many rumors going around with no source and yet people bother to take it seriously.
In order to know it's an illegal copy you had to break the license you agreed to (that prevents reverse-engineering the game) when you bought the Virtual Console release.
A similar thing happened when ScummVM was used in an official port to the wii.
>>331433148
Freedom to live on the IP of others, nigger? Next time have better genetics. Until then starve for all I care.
>>331433183
>"LIBURALS REEEEEEEWWEEWWWW"
Get a life, loser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgQ1JCOsuFg&feature=youtu.be&a
HEY GUYS! CHECK MY NEW QUANTUM BREAK VIDEO! But stop being so harsh! JUST A PRANK LOL!
>>331422548
No? I dont see why it seems so dumb to you. These people have a job to do, so why not utilize the toolset you have to reduce the amount of time and money spent? Nevermind the fact that they just dont leave source code sitting around, and these are usually releases several years after the original date.
>>331433229
>ITT mad poorfags
>>331432998
Piracy is theft
What an awful thread, made my wish I had killed myself.
>>331433328
sure hope you don't have at least one picture on your hard drive that isn't yours, you don't have original rights to, or signed rights to, or streamed pornograpgy or music or movies without paying the author.
You'd think Developers/Publishers and Major players would keep the source codes of all their hit games archived on a Raid 6 array in a temperature controlled vault underground safe from a nuclear blast and kaiju attack.
The funny part is though, they never do, and sometimes they erase it as soon as the game goes gold, like that's it we're done, flash the drives and start work on the next project. Who is ever going to need the source code for Super Mario Bros again? Flash 30 years in the future when they want to release it again, they download the .rom file from coolroms don't even remove the header when they release it on their store, oh and then they send coolroms a C&D just for good measure.
>>331425107
YOU HAVE AUTISM.
>>331433476
At least try.
>>331433338
Like yours in the basement? If you don't consider earning what's yours a life, then you don't deserve the cereal your mom's friend pours for you every morning.
>>331433320
Kek
that's a textbook example of a catch-22
>You caught us doing something illegal, but it was illegal for you to see us doing it.
It's like someone getting away with murder because you witnessed it while trespassing.
>>331433671
>all this mad
Turn down your projection or your bulb will burn out kiddo.
>>331433671
It's cute when wageslaves like you pretend to have some sort of pride.
>>331423910
LOL WHAT
youre a fucking idiot, they have literally no responsibility to save the source code that THEY OWN. Once the project is shipped and finished, they move on to the next shit. Sure some important assets may be saved for future use, but do you honestly fucking think they have a responsibility to keep 100% of the code?
>>331433497
I pirate shit all the time, I just don't act like a faggot pretending I'm entitled to it.
>>331433476
Stealing the original is theft, making a copy is not.
>>331422218
It's not so much a matter of being worked up as it is an indicator that a woman is worthless or has issues.
Like neon dyed hair being a sign of a tumblr feminist.
>>331431903
This comic but replace "skub" with "video game piracy"
>>331433427
>These people have a job to do, so why not utilize the toolset you have to reduce the amount of time and money spent?
Which is exactly what pirates do.
>Nevermind the fact that they just dont leave source code sitting around
Shouldn't they though? Especially if they're going after ROMs and trying to make them compeltely illegal.
Do you not see the problem here?
>>331433842
>I pirate shit all the time, I just don't act like a faggot
Oh yes you do
>MUH ENTITELEMENT MAYMAY
>>331433773
Being a wageslave is infinitely more honorable than crying about feeling entitled to survival. You have no right to life, niggaboo.
>>331432773
>yfw Trump hires Hogan as a personal security guard and he clotheslines all protestors at Trump's rallies
>>331433464
t. underage mobileposter
>>331434092
>Being a wageslave is honorable
What am I even reading?
Is this the current state of /v/?
>>331434052
Are you ok, nigga?
>>331433552
I'm not the one chocking on corporate cock on a taiwanese nail painting forum
>>331434092
>feeling entitled to survival. You have no right to life,
Human rights are now entitlement.
>>331422760
i bet you're the kind of person who thinks the BSD license is irredeemable evil
>>331434197
Ask your mom in a minute when she comes in to change your underwear.
>>331434282
It's nobody else's responsibility to keep you alive. That's reality.
>>331434357
>Your mom
Wow just I thought you couldn't be more pathetic.
>>331434282
Well he is right about that if he lives in the US, seeing as how you can be executed by the state, thereby taking away your right to life.
>>331434536
Not what I said, but ok. ;)
>>331434508
>Human rights are not rights
Do everyone a favor and stop keeping yourself alive
>>331434639
If I see you dying on the side of the road, we'll see if your "rights" save you.
>>331434603
It's literally what you said
>your mom
>>331433725
>He doesn't know about immunity and Queen for a day deals
NIGGERS
NIIIIIIIIIIGGERRRRRRRRRS
>>331433775
>but do you honestly fucking think they have a responsibility to keep 100% of the code?
They do if they're going to go after independant parties who archive their shit for them.
You're a complete fucking idiot, for actually defending game companies from destroying their games and condeming pirates who ensure the media is archived. Fucking kill yourself for being this retarded.
Don't even bother responding to this post. Your worth less than garbage.
>>331434754
That's actually illegal if you're in an area with Samaritan laws. Good going chucklefuck.
HAHAH
What the fuck is up with all this salty offended people about piracy.
Do you fags really get mad about random people pirating random games of random companies.
>>331423532
The "built in" one isn't even an emulator, its an actual GBA CPU.
>>331434946
You'll still die. Looks like my right to not do shit takes precedence.
>>331434992
Not random, they get upset when Nintendo, Sony or Denuvo is involved
/v/ is a shill board now
>>331421196
>>they create brand new engines for every single game
?
>>331435091
Not really since you'll be in prision crying about libtard pirates. Meanwhile I'm still alive and enjoying my pirated media scot free.
Looks like my right to pirate takes precedence over your illegal neglegence.
What is with all this Hulk Hogan talk anyway? I miss something?
>>331435317
He won the Gawker trial.
$115 million, Gawker has to pay $50 million before they can appeal.
>>331434340
I am the kind person.
>>331435280
You'd be dead, and I'll hire a very good lawyer and get probation at most.
