Where were you when Pokemon got a better fighting game that Street Fighter?
>>331305364
>All content on disc
>Online servers actually work
>Ragequitters are punished
>The game is surprisingly complex and deep
Pokken shits on SFV it's not even funny. In my country it costs even less.
How old are you and why do you own a WiiU if you're above 20?
>>331305545
>The game is surprisingly complex and deep
>>331305364
at home, playing the superior game on my Wii U
EA UFC 2>>Pokken>=SFV
Prove me wrong.
You literally cant.
Right here maining Suicine.
>>331305574
How old are you and why do you play videogames if you're above 20?
>>331305545
>All content on disc
Shame its still basically 0 content.
Same for SFV
>>331305618
Everyone is saying that. Hell, even reviewers complained.
Meanwhile SFV targets casual players with a simplified gameplay.
>>331305781
Pokken actually have multiple single player modes, though.
>>331305545
>The game is surprisingly complex and deep
Having a lot of fun with it but no.
>>331305913
not mad at you, but this is starting to piss me off
people are literally constantly saying two opposites
TOO COMPLICATED
TOO SHALLOW
which fucking one is it guys, come on
>>331305913
More than SFV, that's it. I'm not even joking or using the words ironically. The game has more to it, gameplay wise, than most recent 2D games. There are a lot of variables and strategies one has to consider.
>>331305913
>reviewers literally complain about the game being too deep
>b-but it's not, p-please believe me guys
>>331306009
Way too shallow dont let any babys tell you otherwise.
>>331306009
Game gives everyone the same tools. So fights results in a rock, paper, scissors scenario. Also the matches come fast but the connection is questionable. Until the input delay gets tightened up, ranged Pokemon have an advantage.
>>331306047
>RPS mechanic
>more to it than SFV
>SFV players literally coaching Pokken players
are you gay and retarded
>>331306226
Street Fighter is full of RPS shit. All fighting games are.
>>331305839
>Think cool maybe it is
>Check movelist
>It's Naruto dial-a-combo bs YYYY or YY Forward Y
Nah, reviewers are retarded.
>>331306009
people who only play nintendo games will think it's deep
people who play tekken will think it's shallow
>>331306226
Block beats normal, normal beats grab, grab beats block.
There, that's Street Fighter's RPS.
>>331306342
>Comboing in Pokken
kek
>>331305839
post cfn
>>331305364
>where were you
playing SF5, a game that won't be dead and actually has potential for local tournaments
>>331306226
Every fucking fighting game is RPS
>>331306009
It's too complicated for a Pokemon game but to simple for a fighting game
The filed shift gimmick is fucking lame. If it stayed in the 2D style it would be ten times better.
Don't get me wrong the game looks fun....but I have no desire to git gud at it or watch high level play. It's just another game for people that don't really like fighting games
>>331306226
why does this make my skin crawl so much
>>331306363
I disagree. Tekken is my main fighting game, but I like it because it's simplistic. Yes, there's a fuck tone of moves you could possibly combo into, but beyond that, it's pretty straight forward. Pokken may not have that long list of moves for every character, but it's complex in other ways.
>>331306641
jealousy
>>331306676
Nice try but no. I-I'm not some fucking degenerate.
>>331305779
>22
>overachiever
>owner of my own successful business
I have enough free time to do whatever I want with it and get paid while I do literally nothing.
>waah I keep getting beat by Ryu cross ups because I don't know how to anti-air
>SFV is shit
Honestly that's all I get out of these threads, just a fanboy content dick measuring contest
>but Pokken has more content
I guess offline content is nice for casuals but the roster is the same size
>but quitters get punished
In pokedollars, they'll just keep quitting unless they get bans
>but it's much more complex and deep
No one ever explains how there is depth to it though, just keep citing it because IGN gave it a negative for being complex.
Not to mention that naruto camera angle is really off putting and prevents proper split screen gameplay from occurring since the game drops to 30fps and player 2 is required to use the gamepad.
>>331306641
it's the way he pulls down his sweater because he's clearly just got a boner
>>331306164
>He trusts what reviewers say
Jesus christ go back to IGN forums senpai
>>331305618
It takes a long as time to get used to, every button does 5 different things in duel phase and at least 2 in field phase
High level play is footsies and reads
>>331306224
Holy shit shut the fuck up, RPS is the fighting game backbone philosophy.
Attack beats Throw
Throw beats Guard
Guard beats Attack
Pokken isn't deep for doing shit that's been the foundation of fighters since forever.
>>331305678
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
>Game with air dashes, assists, counter hits, command grabs, FADC like movements in field mode, and longer combos than street fighter
>shallow party game
The Street Fighter fanbase has reached a new low right now
>>331306164
>Deep mechanic is now a bad thing
Thanks /v/
>>331307001
she clearly just wet her panties
>>331307242
dude please stop
>>331305364
In a house.
>>331305618
sf5 is more casual than usf4 its actually getting boring
>>331307146
>Not mentioning counter
Fanboying without even playing. A new trend?
>>331306996
>quitters only get unished in pokedollars
It also counts as a loss. You know, the whole reason why ragequitting is problem in SFV right now.
eat shit SFV babby
>>331306226
I'm really trying to read her facial expressions/body language and there's a lot of different signals there. It's almost like...she doesn't want to be there.
...But why pick up the controller if that's the case?
>>331307361
Counters arent new to Pokken either
>>331307393
You need more practice.
Can't stand the Japanese voices for the Pokemon. This is the one time I wish Treehouse did a dub.
>>331307374
The only wins and losses that matter are those at tournaments. No one cares if you an online warrior unless you prove you can do good offline as well.
>>331307374
have fun playing an easy ass game that has the pokemon name and was aimed for the kiddie/normie pokemon fanbase to be able to do nuns4 combos with a random ass selection of pokemon
>>331307518
so ragequitting in SFV ISN'T an issue then? I'm not trying to be a shit, I honestly don't care, but that's the message I'm getting
>>331307393
Dat quickchange from eye rolling to a forced smile at the end, like, "Oh yeah, I'm on camera, better look happy!"
Marvelous.
In 3 years or so SFV will still be relevant, can you say the same about Pokken?
>>331307445
Educate me, senpai desuuu~
>>331307656
>In 3 years or so SFV will still be relevant
It hasn't been relevant since it released
>>331307656
I honestly can't predict either at this point
>>331307656
Pokemon fans have bought the same game with small variations for decades. Suggesting that the one online game that tries to do something different with the IP won't be played for years is foolish.
>>331307628
It's an issue, sure, but not a huge one. If you made them rage quit, you pretty much proved you are better.
It's more of an issue not getting your FM than them not losing points in my opinion, but you can report rage quitters and they'll get deranked now
>>331307754
Kinda has
>a naruto fighting game made even easier and based off a medium somehow even more lame then naruto
wew wii u owners getting this bored huh
>>331307656
>relevant
To fucking who? Casuals don't like this shit and the fanbase is weak as shit
>>331307895
only because of the shitshow it caused
>>331307754
>over 800 at final round going on this weekend
>over 3000 register for Evo alone
>Japs are all agreeing it's better than SFV
Lol sure
>>331306985
I run the illuminati and I play video games to make sure there's enough subtle Satanic propaganda in them.
>>331307754
sounds like you only read the rabid shitposting about the game and normie/dudebro complaints
>>331307812
I'm talking about competitive relevancy, it doesn't matter if a handful of people will still play it, if it's not featured in tournaments it won't be relevant, SFV will be present at EVO and Capcom Cup until Capcom decides to replace it with SFVI.
>>331307917
like you couldn't have watched more than 10 seconds of a gameplay video and honestly thought this
ps ninja storm 4 is pretty cool apparently?
I'm actually thinking of buying Pokken, but it looks like it has that J-Stars Victory/that new Jojo/Naruto style gameplay which is boring as fuck. The fights are too short and the game looks very slow.
To people who have the game, is it actually fun? Like Smash Bros. fun, or Blazblue/Street Fighter fun?
Why is the art direction so awful in sfv? Everyone looks fucking retarded
>>331306009
>TOO COMPLICATED
Keep in mind that Nintendo fans complained quarter circle attacks for Ryu in Smash were too hard.
>>331308107
shes japanese
imagine her with black hair
and the srtstyle is fine
>>331307971
Every SFIV pro has moved on to SFV despite what everybody else was expecting, it has the most entrants for any game at EVO ever, period, and it was confirmed by Capcom that they'll support the game for as long as they can with content and balance patches. Sure it had a weak launch, but SF is still king of fighting games and you're deluded if you think otherwise.
>>331307895
>>331308014
>>331308049
ITT: butthurt FGC babies
>>331308254
Can you imagine anyone looking at you with that retard face? You'd immediately assume they were disabled
Is Pokken actually fun though? The fights seem so slow and not very dynamic. It's like Tekken but with more running around. There's no demo so I'm just going by what I see
>>331308317
youre playing pokemon ultimate ninja storm
Can someone actually explain Pokken and it's complexities to me? What makes it so much more complex than your average fighter?
>>331308317
>gets proven wrong
>UR JUST BUTTHURT LOL
>>331306226
>you'll never be a 400 pound for pound manbeast groping a 12 year old unironically at a Pokemon related event and not be labeled a pedophile and swatted on site.
>>331308421
if youre playing it seriously then that means youre a big pokemon fan and that already points to your brain causing complexities
How come when people ask if Pokken is fun, no one responds? I wonder why
>>331308421
In a simple fighter like SFV, every button has 3 versions: standing, crouching, and jumping.
In pokken duel phase, every button does 5 different things, for each direction. And then there's a whole nother field phase...
>>331308014
At FR they actually reached the limit for entrants which is 1,024. We are in the middle of basically 2 days straight
https://twitter.com/ATLfinalround/status/710973486047612928
>>331308405
Yes, it's really fun. Most people playing in videos on YouTube are pretty bad. It's fast if you know what you're doing. All of the characters play really different, too. If you get good at one character, you can lay the smack down pretty quickly.
I main Chandelure and I'm perfecting a lot of people.
>>331308421
It's more complex than smash but that's not saying much
>>331308405
>there's no demo
anon...
>>331308657
>every button does 5 different things, for each direction. And then there's a whole nother field phase...
That sounds convulsed
>>331308654
Everyone enjoying the game is busy playing it, people are just here to shitpost
I'd stay and chat but I'm on my promo games in ranked, be back in a few
>>331308659
Nice, I was just going by what I heard last week.
>>331308657
>In a simple fighter like SFV, every button has 3 versions: standing, crouching, and jumping.
>hurr durr what are unique normals
>>331308654
people who are actually enjoying pokken are posting in the other two threads
or maybe the entire fucking board dedicated to pokemon
>>331308829
Oh yeah I forgot, each character in SFV has about 3 unique normals that add 1 more attack to 3 buttons. Any more might be a little confusing so I'm glad Capcom doesn't want to overwhelm people
>>331308421
rock paper scissor mechanic with normals, defend, grabs and counters.
Shifting between 2d and 3d phases, whit zonning taking place in the 3d phase and combos in 2d.
Innitiating phase shifts heals gray damage and boosts meter.
Can summon assists that disrupt attack or buff/debuff.
Extremely fast paced matches and very easy to make comebacks when you read correctly.
However there are no quarter circle something combos, which apperantly means it's for toddlers only.
>>331308609
>you'll never be a little girl getting a rubdown and sweet whispers in your ear from justin wong
;_;
>>331308949
i dont know why that ither guy brought up command normals, but it seriously doesnt matter some characters have few of them, theres no reasonal at all to have too many if most of them will just be inoptimal 99% of the time anyways for the given situation
>We lived to see the day when a Pokemon game had harder combos that Street Fighter
>>331309196
Its probably does anon have you even played SFV? If you drop a combo in SFV its just because you didn't hit the button fast enough. There is literally no real link timing its just chains and mashable links.
>>331309326
I have them both which is how I know. SFV is Mortal Kombat tier easy.
>>331309326
This, if you're honestly having a hard time with a link in sfv learn to double tap and you will immediately get it 99% of the time
>>331308746
Where's the demo? Did I just miss it?
>>331308786
>>331308891
>>331309196
So by looking at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcOgaXL000g
It just seems like a slower, dumbed down Naruto game with an even worse camera and less impressive moves. I forget /v/ is the same people that told me Digimon Cyber Sleuth and Xenoblade X were fun.
>>331309326
>there are no real links because when you drop a combo you just input a link too slowly
epic
>>331309484
>Judging a fighting game off a short video of two randoms
>>331306009
Kinda shallow.
>>331309196
>>331309326
>muh flashy epic combos get HYPE
Go suck off Max's dick or something holy shit
>that awful roster
>not just waiting for Pokken 2
At least SF is doing its free DLC character plan.
>>331309825
he didnt even look very happy with the game
>>331309825
>SFV's combos are so embarrassingly short and easy they omitted combo challenge.
>>331309730
I also watched Justin Wong play it on top of a lot of "high level play" matches.
Just because Seth Killian was involved with Playstation All Stars and it had high level play doesn't mean the game was great.
>>331309978
>long combos determine how good a fighting game is
Oh, so Blazblue and Mahvel are the best fighting games. Didn't know that.
>>331305545
>Surprisingly complex and deep
Um no.
>>331309894
>At least SF is doing its free DLC character plan
The game has to be your life if you want to afford characters.
>>331309978
yeah thats why theyre being added soon right
and your babby ass would probably fumble with a stick trying to do ia legs or butterchurning alone until you cried
>>331310137
Play the game before saying that.
It's too generous with its money distribution and will likely be nerfed or make future characters more expensive.
>>331310101
>Missed the easy part
Pokken doesn't have long combos, but there's actually an execution barrier.
>>331308182
smash doesn't really lend itself to motion based combat.
>>331310212
I've got the game. You can afford a character by playing story. After that you're left to scrape together 100,000 in matches where you get 50 for a win.
>>331309196
>he doesn't know about late frame cancels
>>331310224
>has an execution barrier
Oh, so literally all fighting games. Got it.
>>331310398
Play survival retard
>>331310398
survival pays a lot
it just sucks arse.
Holy fuck all that work for colours, it pisses me the fuck off, having to cheese the cheaty AI for 50 fucking matches. I got to 47 with ken then got some 10001 or 40001 or some bitch ass network error.
>>331310224
anon, i don't think you know what you're even talking about...
>>331310456
Which only pays out once per character.
>>331310398
this is the first fighting game im taking seriously and i still suck, can barely clearly normal survival runs and im at 300k before trials, challenges and other character stories are even here
why did it fail in japan arcade bros?
do they have no idea how complex it is?
Pokkén is going to be so boring at EVO. The gameplay's just so slow and uninteresting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOYhh0thwYY
>>331310743
I'm enjoying Pokken right now, but if I was in an arcade and it had Dissidia, I'd be playing that, too.
>>331310640
It pays enough for the 1st season (there's a guy who already has the 1 million fight money trophy). Do remember the "daily" things will come with the next patch so lets see how much that will money that gives you.
>>331310743
its pokemon
why would you go to an arcade for pokemon
Street Fighter V is going to be so boring at EVO. The gameplay's just so slow and uninteresting.
>>331310743
>EVO 2017 will replace Pokken with Dissidia
Feels good desu
>>331310987
If you're willing to sit and do all survival difficulties with every character.
So if the game is your life, like I said.
>>331311056
fr teams was fun to watch
>>331310743
wait...
why DON'T people talk about Dissidia?
>>331311148
Survival does not take that long, quit exaggerating. You have about 6 months to get enough money you drama queen.
>>331311046
Something to ask Nintendo.
They thought it was a good idea to do an arcade release, but it backfired hard.
>>331311148
>>331310657
no dodging
>>331310743
Mewtwo is console exclusive and where the meta is going to be.
also FF Dissidia
but nice attempt tho 2/10
>>331306662
>Tekken
>it's simplistic
I bet you play LoL too faggot.
>>331311218
Because the PSP games were shit.
>>331311218
Because Japan got the awesome arcade version, which is apparently considered the best of the bunch -and something we might never see.
>>331311302
Dodge what? You have an incomplete anecdote on the internet.
>>331311318
Would Mewtwo have prevented arcades from losing money for having Pokken machines?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/10/21/pokken-tournament-is-having-a-tough-time-in-japanese-arcades/#6a4556447f05
>>331308105
The fights are definitely very, very short, but that works in the game's favor as mixed with the constant switching between field and duel phase the pace doesn't really drop significantly, and re-finding matches online is super-quick and easy. It makes Pokken a great "quick 15 minute session" game.
I'm a smashbabby and don't really play traditional fighting games so I couldn't say whether or not it would appeal to you as an actual fightan fan but I spent all yesterday playing it and still had a good time. If you're a big enough Pokefag it's a good buy either way.
>>331311295
also, they may not have been going for sales. Arcades are pretty low-rent even in japan, I think they were screening for a more general feedback from actual fighting game players. Same reason why they rode Jwong's dick so hard on advice for the game during that 2015 showcase.
They're in it for the long con. The arcades were a publicity stunt. A mismanaged one sure, but that saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity" seems to be ringing true.
>>331311398
That version is coming to PS4 you know. No doubt it'll be localized too.
>>331311438
i stated i suck at the game and was able to scrape 300k without being able to even finish more than a few normal runs and beforew the main methods of obtaining fight money are even here.
>>331311523
I mean, it's definitely not good publicity when arcades are announcing that people aren't playing the game, and that they're also losing money because of it.
We can everyone agree that pokken is just another party game like smash bros and not a fighting game?
>>331311618
It kept people talking about Pokken, and was an early way for them to work out the kinks in the game's design and get advice from vets
I'm not saying they nailed it, but I'm going to guess that sales were not their only priority
>>331311712
have you...have you even read the thread? that's exactly what people CAN'T agree on
>>331311604
So? You have three characters worth of money from shitty modes.
>>331311712
because this is /v/ where people think they can know everything and try applying random shit out their ass to arguments to try to act like whatever they want is reality
>>331311712
wait what are you even saying this sentence is all over the place
>>331307648
>>331307393
You guys are such fucking autistic gaylords. Children don't have the same body language as adults especially when they are the center of attention. I doubt you guys have made enough contact with the outside world to be judges of any human subtleties anyways.
>>331311460
It lost money because you got 45 minutes for 100 yen when the standard is 100 yen for two fights.
>>331311829
considering i suck and, like i said, the main methods of obtaining fm orent implemented yet, thats a fuckton.
and you already said earlier survival gets fm once per character, you have no idea what youre talking about
>>331305364
>pokken
>fighting game
>not a casual party game
I love this meme
>>331311731
Traditional marketing would have achieved that just as well, though. So would asking veteran fighting game players to test the game first, then implementing their suggestions.
Pretty much any other method than throwing away money on arcade cabinets just to get the word out.
To be fair, Nintendo can bank on Western sales to recover that loss, at least.
>>331311985
Really?
That's fucked up, why would you do that
It's like those two dollar arcade games, fuck that
>>331306985
And you choose to waste your life on video games. You sure told him.
>>331311337
As far as fighting games go, it's simplistic. The complexity mainly sprouts from the sheer amount of attacks that there are, but it's no King of Fighters.
>>331312071
epic :^)
>>331305779
Not that anon but I am 30 and I mostly play sport games.
>>331305364
Pokken is nice but it also is a game that needs 15+ more Pokemon. Much like how SFV needs about 20+ more.
>SFV
>will have lobbies soon
>Pokken
>No lobbies ever
Nice try op
Pokken looks fun, albeit a bit spammy in the field mode when you zone with projectiles.
I would really like to give it a go, but I don't have a Wii U
>Nintendo makes a better Pokemon-themed fighter than Capcoms newest Street Fighter
>Hulk Hogan shits all over kotaku
It's a weird time to be playing, eh fellows?
Harada san put his hearth in this game
>>331305618
Let me guess.
>POKKEN GOT NO DEPTH CUZ IT AINT TRADITIONAL
>>331306226
Alpha as fuck
>tfw cant afford Pokken this week because I brought a ancient piece of plastic
350 dollars
>>331307518
Not every city in the world has a fighting game scene, and not everyone can set aside their time just to participate in a tourney. Online is the only way for many players to face a competitive match.
Are you one of those faggots from Twitch who only watch fighting games instead of playing them? If so, then of course you wouldn't care. All you care is about fabricated "drama" among other men.
>>331315976
Tifa was baller as fuck
Like even if shes Mai Waifu shes fucking cool in this game
>>331306009
Simple execution makes it feel a lot less complicated than other fighting games, but also causes the average match in my experience to be actually playing a fighting game correctly with mixups and baits and stuff instead of just a bunch of failed inputs like I tend to see in other fighting games.
Combo's arent frame perfect either, so execution in general is pretty easy, mechanically it has a decent amount of shit to it, people complain about field phase because it's different, but it definitely adds depth, and counterattacks being in this game also mean that a little more thought is required when attacking. It's also got Marvel vs. Capcom style assists.
Basically it's got more mechanics than the average fighter, but simpler execution of those mechanics, if you go through the length tutorial you're set and can probably go straight online after that and maybe a couple minute in training learning combos, the easier execution means you cant absolutely wreck people who are new to the game unlike other fighting games which is possibly one of the reasons people are getting so mad at it.
Its an actual fighting game unlike smash, nobody can honestly make a good argument on the contrary, but its not nearly as technical as the big fighting games.
>>331316120
fuck, animal crossing is playing with my mind
>>331309484
>Charazard uses Seismic Toss to KO a Gengar
Triggered
>>331310743
>first version of a newly released arcade game
Against
>outdated version of Pokken that doesn't even have Sceptile.
>>331308254
I don't need to imagine, she has a costume with darker hair.
>>331316108
Jelly, I've wanted that statue for a while.
>>331313726
A large roster isn't necessarily a better one.
>>331316865
rosterfags are the worst, the game is pretty damn balanced right now as far as I have been able to tell and every fighting you add runs the risk of disrupting that balance.
>>331306226
>If it's so wong, why does it feel so right?
>>331316968
>rosterfags are the worst, the game is pretty damn balanced right now
>two Mewtwos
>two Pikachus
>from a series of 700+ characters
No fuck off.
>>331316108
>I got her for $220
Feels good
>>331312071
We're not Super Smash Bros here; this one IS, undeniably, a fighting game.
>>331316865
>A large roster isn't necessarily a better one.
This
See Tekken
Skullgirls did so much better with its small roster of 9 for so long
Every character feels so different and unique
Only problem is that I refuse to buy any other character besides Squiggly
>>331312979
>As far as fighting games go, it's simplistic. The complexity mainly sprouts from the sheer amount of attacks that there are
You cannot be serious. Go watch high level Tekken play.
>>331305364
Street Fighter is for literal babies, so it's surprising.
>>331317158
>700
Okay, let's be realistic. I doubt Caterpie will ever be playable.
>>331317158
awww, babby didn't get his waifu in the game? :c
>>331317351
Anon it's still 700+ Pokemon despite the fact that some are viable entries or not. There is litterally no good excuse for two of the same character, not once but twice.
>>331307116
Lmfao no, it's spam that focus attack knock off, this game is not deep
>>331317458
>this is considered shitposting
You fuckers don't even try anymore. Guess SFV really killed those brain cells huh?
>>331317465
Lets say they only had the resources to develop 14 unique pokemon models, would you rather they leave it at 14? or alter the models on two of them a little bit and give them different movesets to get 2 extra pokemon.
>>331305364
Demo where?
Pokken its kinda fucked competitively because its on a dead console and requires two consoles for parity two player
>>331317659
EU eShop.
No clue in America has one
>>331306662
Tekken and games like it are good and played at a high level because even though it has a few mechanics, the mechanics are deep enough that people can really get into it. It's not about having a lot of moves, it's about the movement, characters, stages everything else that a 3D fighter should have and be extremely polished.
>>331306009
If you don't play fighting its too complicated
If you do play fighting its too shallow
If you want to play fighting but aren't good cause you don't want to practice this game is "surprisingly deep"
>>331306662
You don't actually play tekken
>>331305364
They're both easy spoonfed games, but sfv will still be played a year from now because your moves come out a literal second after you do them in pokken. Fighting games need precise inputs to be good and pokken does not have that
>>331307146
Counter/Crush counter
High and low attacks/blocks
Grab teching
Rps my ass.
>>331318323
>but sfv will still be played a year from now
Barely anyone is playing right now let alone any time period beyond today.
>>331318520
LeL, I'm watching a tournament with over 1000 entrants RIGHT NOW.
>>331308421
RPS mechanic, Normals - Grabs - Counter
shifting between 3D and 2D phases, which you can initiate with certain attacks or combos
shifting phases can heal HP you recently lost
3 attack buttons, Strong, weak and "Pokemon" (unique set of attacks), Shield button does unique air abilities when used in the air
each button does different things in each phase
each button does different things with directional input
MvC style support pokemon
Can cancel out of charges to dash -> Mindgames
It's less about execution, it's more about mindgames and reading your opponent/knowing what you do
Which to me is good, since it doesn't need grinding and frame-perfect flubs, you just need to use your brain.
Matches against an equally skilled friend are intense as fuck and really get you going
The movesets are also pretty balanced and give each Pokemon a completely different feel
It's not a traditional fighting game, but it's still a fighting game, it just doesn't focus on execution and concentrates more about game knowledge and mindgames.
Take that as you will. I really like it and think it's refreshing.
>>331318520
Good one dude, if you work at it maybe it'll become a meme
>>331318294
This. Tekken is anything but simple, it's complex and difficult to pick up to the point that it turns off a lot of people entirely, and the competition is so strong that unless you've been playing for the last 10-15 years you aren't going anywhere.
I'm glad that Tekken 7 has trimmed the fat a little.
it's not a surprise
Pokken was made by Tekken man, SFV was made by jews
>>331318804
Can we just say it's easy to pick up but hard to master? I mean there is not much you need to learn to understand the basics of the game, it's just that when you try to learn more is when things get interesting.
>>331305364
Delete This!
>>331318323
>sfv will still be played a year from now
>>331317281
>See Tekken
The highest selling fighting game series, with an extremely active competitive scene, and is the most popular arcade game ever? What's wrong with Tekken? The T5 -> DR thing killed the series momentum for a while, but it's still one of the biggest names in the genre.
Street Fighter gets more recognition for being more popular in the US, but Tekken completely stomps it in Europe and Asia. "Street Fighter IV saved fightan" is like saying "Nintendo saved vidya." Vidya only died in America while it was still popular in parts of Europe and Asia. Even after SFIV, Tekken was still the top fighter in most places. Capcom spending more money on marketing (see EVO and the Capcom Cup) gives the illusion of SF being more popular.
>>331319136
You're trying too hard.
>Pokken is being shitposted to death on /v/
It must be good then
>>331319347
Didn't you mean shilled to death?
>>331319273
Maybe you're not trying hard enough? Pay an additional fee to unlock bonuses to trying!
>>331319262
Also the roster problem was only really for TTT2. But that game was a spin off and celebration of Tekken so everyone got to be in the game. People shouldn't take it so seriously.
>>331319136
Tell me, what would they do? Go back to playing 4? You don't know shit lmao
![WMPa7da6ac3-2493-4b42-90e7-b5e4be134c39[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T1VBcNr.jpg "WMPa7da6ac3-2493-4b42-90e7-b5e4be134c39[1]")
>>331309825
>Go suck off Max's dick or something holy shit
Max dropped this game long before it begain.
>>331318408
if youre trying to say grab teching isnt in the game, it is. its just a really precise window.
>>331319668
They'll be playing the next iteration that Jewcom pumps out
>lmao
>>331319668
how cute
>>331318642
where's the stream
>>331319801
>sfv
>next iteration
>>331319851
Difference is melee is actually good while the other smash games are not
>>331320143
>difference is my personal opinion
sure you showed me
>>331319801
Post like this some more, you might get on r/4chan for being le ebic trole
>>331320224
Keep pretending this wont be sfv first and last EVO. You mightbe disappointed
>>331320224
You might get on r/s4s for thinking SFV is anything but trash.
>>331320343
Not like I give a shit, but it won't be. You don't know shit about fighting games so you might as well just stop
>>331319912
Have you tried, dunno maybe, just maybe, looking at Twitch's front page?
>>331320473
>thinks sfv is good
>tells other people they dont know shit
ok, kiddo. you sure showed me
>>331320473
>Still replying.
This guy would deny that the water is wet.
>>331320220
I'll say it like this then
Melee is the only smash game that requires skill, that's why it's still played
>>331320473
My bad. SFV as a side event for next year's EVO and gone by 2018. It's SFxT 2.0.
>>331319262
This guy is right. Last time I went to Japan was in 2012/2013. It was almost sad to see how few SF machines there were. Meanwhile, every arcade had rows upon rows of Tag 2 machines.
>there are people who aren't playing both
Okay, how many of you guys actually enjoy playing fighting games?
My best friend and I will spend a whole night doing 50 rounds in SFV, then 30 in DOA5LR, then 20 rounds of either KoF 98, VF5FS, Samurai Showdown, Art of Fighting, Guilty Gear, Skullgirls, or Smash 4 and we even break out the fucking Saturn and play Fighters Mega Mix.
and you can bet we're going to play this game too.
>>331320650
>pokken thread
>melee fanboys come to shitpost
like clockwork
>>331320602
>thinks sfv is good
>my first post I said it's spoonfed
Come on m8
>Watching /v/ talk about Pokken is the exact same as watching /v/ talk about fighting games
kek
>>331320929
Think you have me confused with someone. Please show spoonfeeding
>>331320852
I'm not a fan of either game (haven't even played Pokken,) but expect a lot more Pokken vs Meele in the future. Meelebros are going to be hostile against Pokkenbros because Pokken can challenge Meele for the title of "Most Competitive Nintendo Game."
>>331320852
>pokken thread
>sfv fans mega buttblasted
Pokken at Evo, when? :D
>>331321130
why? They're completely different games and Melee blows Pokken out of the water technical wise.
the Melee fanbase mostly keeps to themselves on /v/ until a Sm4sh shitposter comes in and starts everything
Aside that, I hope Pokken doesn't get shitposted by the FGC, it would be a shame since they're not direct competitors
>>331306226
What is this post implying
Rock, paper, scissors is a logic, it isn't a fucking concept. One thing beats another is universal across the board.
Practically any game that utilizes defense and offense relies on "rock, paper, scissors".
who will talk about pokken next week anyway
>Pokken released
>SFV fans are triggered
>Smash fans are triggered
>People who actually enjoy the game are too busy playing to give a shit
>>331321246
Isn't that already confirmed?
>>331314041
>GGXRD
>best lobbies ever
The fact that you have to compare SFV to pokken is hilarious
>>331321991
Really? Sweet!
>>331316585
Gengar was holding a ring target
>>331321960
Do you play Smash or Street Fighter?
>>331322084
http://shoryuken.com/2016/01/26/evo-2016-lineup-revealed-street-fighter-smash-guilty-gear-pokken-and-more/
>>331307459
I prefer pokemon making animal noises over saying their own names.
>>331322143
Smash but I've been looking into playing Pokken and SFV.
>>331321534
Its not that simple though. Block doesn't necessarily beat attack, and throw doesn't necessarily beat block.
Why bother buying any foghting game on release? Just wait for the inevitable actually complete re-release/sequel that every fighting game ever does.
>>331322354
Tekken doesn't do that big boy. Final versions hit consoles at that is it. Since this game is made by the Tekken team there won't be a new version.
>>331322354
>Just wait for the inevitable actually complete re-release/sequel that every fighting game ever does.
Namco rarely do that. The only example I can think of is Tekken 5 and that's only because Steve had an infinite in the original game.
>>331322354
well, I'm not poor and like to play videogames
Let me fix your question:
Why bother waiting for a game you want to play when you can play it now?
>>331322641
Do you mean DR? That was only for ps3 and not 2.
>>331322609
>>331322641
But there's inevitably gonna be a Pokken 2 with way better balancing , more mechanics and an actually decently sized roster of characters.
>>331322747
Because I don't want to shill out to a company just to be able to test play a barebones build of their game for them.
>>331323226
Well sure but a sequel is going to happen for any game but that is different than an update for the same game.
>>331322305
Of course its not that fucking simple. Its built on that logic. Its not purely that. You can only be incredibly precise in having something that concrete.
But to simplify anything to rock, paper, scissors is horrendously idiotic.
>>331323226
>Wait for Pokken 2 don't play Pokken 1
Either a troll or a retard.
>>331323226
>>>
> Anonymous 03/19/16(Sat)12:24:19 No.331321010 ▶
>>>331320929
you super reatard
Pokkén is pretty nice.
>Pokken has disgusting amounts of built-in input lag online and offline
>SFV does not have input lag manually programmed into the game
Yeah, sure. Pokken is better. Right.
>>331324047
You got that mixed, shitposter-kun.
>>331305545
>this is what N-tards actually believe.
>>331306448
>he doesn't combo
comboing people into seismic toss and getting the guaranteed burst attack as charizard is the best
>>331306996
The depth of the game shows itself when it comes into baiting reactions from the opponent and reading their actions. Charizard for example can pull of a combo into seismic toss which can essentially half anyone on the roster depending on the size of the HP pool the opponent has.
Then you have Sceptile who is very mobile in close range, and is able to lock you down if you're anticipating the wrong move. Being Charizard and being the slowest power Pokemon makes it important that I'm able to anticipate a Sceptile's best option in close and mid range as the Sceptile has a lot more time to react and to anything I choose to try to perform. Playing against other players who understand the strengths of their Pokemon is fun as fuck, and can lead into some close matches.
I'm still learning combos Charizard can perform outside of the onesnthebgame teaches you so I can step up my play and become less predictable as despite how strong charizard is, he can be an easy to punish character if you don't use anything but what the game teaches you.
>>331322305
Yeah, because Fate Extra was a horrible game and nobody ever wants to have to play literal rock paper scissors ever again after that.
>>331306226
This is my fetish
>>331323604
>Reatard
>>331324243
if pokken was on that list it'd be triple what sfv is
>>331324047
Really thought I was the only one who noticed
>>331308105
>The fights are too short and the game looks very slow.
What?
>>331316585
>Machamp can punch Gengar and Chandelure into unconsciousness
>>331308657
except SFV had 6 buttons, each with those three normal variations. And then at least 4 special moves, each with 4 more variations. plus throws, v-trigger, and supers. So that's nearly 40 separate moves.
>>331312027
You can't replay Easy survival over and over with the same character to get more FM, right?
>>331326931
what a beautiful duwang
>>331307604
nuns4 is a dash sub shitshow
>>331305839
So we're trusting reviews again? I thought we collectively agreed that reviewers just write shit? What happened?
>>331317523
>spam counter
>get grabbed
wew
any cool arcades in the San Diego area?
>>331305545
>The game is surprisingly complex and deep
Hahahahaha
>>331324243
>newer more graphically demanding games have more lag when played on the same pc
Mind Blown
Next yer gonna tell me that it wasn't perfectly optimized for every toaster on the planet.
Who's living the /bestgirl/ life?I cant seriously be the only one but I've only played one other online
>Half the thread claiming the game is a deep, fun and rewarding fighter
>Other half saying it's shallow and shit
WHICH IS IT
>>331305574
Because I think the games are fun.
>>331329816
A little bit of both
some mechanics are deeper than others
>>331329816
/v/ doesn't know shit about video games so I wouldn't trust either side to have good reasoning for their claims
>>331329731
Right here, my man! Cute and deadly, the best combination out there!I've also only fought one other. Just about half an hour ago.
>>331330315Mine was a couple hours, theres at least 3 of us
Someone explain to me why PS4 is the go to machine for fighting game tournaments if you can't use every stick on it? Hell, even the backgrounds in SF5 on PS4 run at half the FPS of the actual game. So why would people use the uglier version that limits players to certain sticks?
>>331329970
I actually meant to say "fighting games" in >>331330163 but freudian slipped. Fits well enough either way.
There's also the fact that /v/ is console wars (or console vs ps): the board so many people don't even attempt to have informed opinions, and will support/denounce the game based on those biases alone.
Basically, /v/ is useless when it comes to having credible opinions.
>ranked mode uses skill level buffs
>mfw
Why wasn't this shit contained to single player?
Gardevoir mains WW@?
Some straight up Peacock play here, shit's ridiculous
the most clever thing about this game in my opinion is having a universal block that ignores high/low/mid/overhead situations but gives you a versatile counter/focus attack mechanic so that blocks are't too powerful.
>>331330550
They actually don't matter in the match, but the matches give you experience so they're just there for when you level up.
>>331330550
Speaking of which, there's bound to be like, stat builds for each Pokemon right?
Any idea where a nigga could find those?
>>331330446
For major events, Capcom/Sony tend to be sponsors and therefore provide funds (and other services) to run increasingly expensive events, and using the PS4 is part of that deal. Same reason why PS3 was standard for much of Ultra's life.
For smaller events/weeklies/locals, PCs are simply less convenient. They often rely on people to bring in their own setups, and people are simply more able and willing to pack up their PS4s for a quick one-night event.
I think WNF uses some PC setups, because they're neither sponsored and have an established and expansive venue.
>>331330753
Do they really not? I was playing against one Machamp that felt like it was taking FOREVER, and another that felt like a normal match, and I thought it just dumped everything into defense. I assumed they factored into the online matches because they have the stat breakdown appear on the character select screen, while they're listed as "off" in local battles.
>>331330983
I'm pretty sure that they don't. That would be really stupid and unbalanced if they were. I haven't noticed any huge stat buffs on people I've fought.
>>331331376
Yup, just checked Serebii, skill levels are disabled for practice and online.
Guess I was just playing super inefficiently against the one Machamp.
>>331330550
From Serebii:
>Both the Practice mode and Online Battles do not utilize Skill Points and Skill Levels allowing for an even playing-field online.
>>331306598
if it stayed in dual phase it would literally just be a watered down tekken game.
I like the field phase its cool to play footsies in with a full 3D run, but I'm glad thats not the entire game either, or else it would be too close to naruto fighters.
>>331329731
chandelure has a surprisingly cute voice
>>331330874
>PS3 was standard for Ultra's life
You're spouting false shit that never happened, you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about.
The Xbox 360 was the FGC standard for the entirety of Street Fighter IV's life
>>331332294
not that dude but evo was on PS3s, but other majors like CEO used 360s
xblive was generally accepted to have the stronger competition but there was no FGC standard.
>>331332294
But that's not true. As SOON as the Capcom Pro Tour became a thing, many events switched to Sony consoles for the sake of parity.
>>331306662
tekken streams were the first ones where commentators were spouting frame data non stop during footsies, I remember Rip vs Mr Naps at evo one year was a pretty fucking marvelous display of tekken footsies.
Let's not get it confused, the only reason the competitive scene is even playing Shit Fighter V is for the Pro Tour money. Everyone else has already abadoned the game.
>>331326192
And I thought I was the only one who noticed. It feels like swimming through molasses trying to play this game because of the input lag.
On that note, anyone have any tips for Garchomp? He looks kinda cool, but I'm not sure how to approach anyone as him. Hell, I don't think anyone I've run into has used Garchomp.
>>331317832
>play Tekken
>get my ass whupped
>by the computer
>stop playing Tekken
Maybe 21 is too late to get into fighting games.
>>331332990
Frame data isn't complexity, though. If you can really just boil a game down to frame data it's super simple and an exercise in memorization.
That's not to say Tekken isn't complex, I don't consider myself an expert, just saying that's by no means a good way to demonstrate complexity.
>>331333197
I remember when people on /v/ said the exact same fucking thing about USFIV, almost word for word.
>>331307313
i want normies to leave
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>331334114
>JESUS CHRIST DOUBLE PALINDROME
also says the truth NORMIES LEAVE
>>331308609
>not knowing Jwong
wew
>>331334106
Am I wrong though.
>Curious about the game but haven't really been into fighting games since Street fighter II and Soul Calibur 3
>No demo on the e-shop
JUST
but ssbm is already out
>>331330575
>maining bottom-tier trash
>>331305618
Lol nigger memes you are le retarded you stupid nigger
>>331305364
I'm not surprised, Tekken was always the superior fighting game to Street Fighter. People are just now starting to realize it.
>>331334774
lol, tekken is some boring shit like virtual fighter
>>331334774
Tekken's not my favourite fighter, that's between Soul Calibur and DoA, but I prefer DoA a lot more to SF
>>331310743
Is diss. Like pokken in which you'll need two screens or is the view is shared?All this non 2-D fighting talk and Gundam EXVS hasn't been talked about.
>>331306009
I'm in the too complicated camp. Shit is fucking absurd to grasp.
>>331334774
the last 3 versions of tekken were all super disappointing. TTT2 especially is pretty fucking unbalanced and high level play is pretty boring.
Tekken 7 is trying to save the franchise by adding Akuma
>>331333230
do you play with the wired pad? if not that might explain shit
>>331335508
how old are you and how many 3d fighting games have you played before.
I'm just curious about the kind of person that finds fighting games complicated.
>>331306226
>WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. YOU'RE GONNA LEARN TODAY.
>>331308107
I like the art direction a lot actually, huge improvement over SF4
>>331335885
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I have over 3000 hours in SF4
>>331335732
More like Crapcom is trying to leech off Tekken's success by having one of their characters get a cameo in.
>>331333242
It is probably the best age, not our fault you're a retard
>>331335810
I didn't get the wired pad since I thought it wouldn't do anything.
If that pad somehow negates all the input lag, I'dimportthat shit in a heartbeat.
>>331335732
T5DR was pretty good, I thought.
T6BR and TTT2 were complete blunders though.
But in all seriousness: Comparing SF to Tekken is literally apples and oranges. I don't get why people bother fighting over these games where so little carries over between them.
>>331336151
It really isn't. It takes over a decade to get competent at fighters unless you have some inherent talent. I'd say 18 is the latest to get in, 21 is way too old. Most of the best players started in 16 or younger
>>331336164
Pretty shit that to play the game as it;s meant to be played you gotta buy a pad that is sold out everywhere and costs more than the hori fighting commander pro.
>>331306226
>Literal smugloli reaction at the end
SHE KNOWS
>>331336164
if that thing works with other pc fighting games i would get one in a heartbeat
>>331306226
Poor Justin. Shit is gonna haunt him for a while.
>>331336002
you're older than me and you never played virtua fighter 2 or tekken 3 in arcade or on console? Well I guess I'm being naive you were probably into other shit growing up than I was.
the field phase is a lot like power stone or some of the naruto games, and the dual phase is straight up tekken, but with a much smaller move list.
I've played too many fighting games in my life so I rarely ever feel totally stumped by a systems mechanics, but when it does happen I'm totally mindfucked.
>>331305839
>play SFV
>Don't find it complicated
>can grasp advanced combos, vtrigger cancels, set ups, footsies etc in the game fairly easily
>Pokken is like rocket science to me
>>331336382
>most of the best players
people don't play fighting games to be top 8 at evo you mongoloid, its a weird autistic philosphy about learning and improving yourself.
you improve yourself through competition but if you start playing fighting games with the goal of being world champion before you've even learned how to play then you're never gonna make any progress and will likely quit after a month or two.
Dumping Gundam EXVS
>>331317158
Balance doesn't have anything to do with how the characters look. They play completely different
>>331337135
No one mentioned evo so I have no clue what you are talking about. I suggest drinking bleach.
Why the fuck is pokken so fucking blurry? holy shit it feels like i'm going blind. its like the depth of field is off the charts
>>331327268
It said a good thing about a Nintendo game. So just this one time they matter.
>>331305364
I would get it if my friends wanted to play it, but since I got NUNS4 they will insult me if I tell them "let's play a pokémon game instead!".
Maybe when it gets a pricedrop. Is it bombing on sales?
>>331337618
This, fuck the hipocrisy. Reviewers should be trusted only when they say negative things about Nintendo.
>>331337573
yeah jesus what the fuck. it looks like the textures haven't finished loading or something
>>331337386
the best players implies the highest echelon, go kick rocks you fucking turd.
>>331336382
>$49.99 for a controller that only works with one game
If this thing was compatible with ANYTHING ELSE, I would be fine picking one up. This is low as fuck.
>>331338682
its like 24.99 canadian
>>331338207
The best players don't solely play at evo. Stop being a retard. If you live in so cal or the NY area and you tried to go to locals you would be playing against the upper echelon.
>>331338796
That's MSRP. MSRP and what it's sold for once all production is ended and they only made a few thousand copies are two different things
>>331305364
>PS2-PS3 graphics
>childish
>furry-manchildren community
sorry op, i dont have 12yo.
>>331306009
Complicated for the usual nintendo consumer used to play easy games.
Shallow for any normal gamer used to play games outside of nintendo's tits.
>>331339192
Nah, I play tons if fighters and find this pretty confusing desu. Just a lot to digest in such quick succession
>>331339004
>i dont have 12yo.
>I don't have twelve years old
Are you sure?
>>331339276
>Just a lot to digest
For example? I admit I don't have the game but I've seen a lot of videos and gameplay and the only "complicated" thing I saw was the counter attack.
>>331339276
This is exactly that the IGN reviewer (a guy named Darry, who happens to have strong ties to the FGC - he's not some rando) tried to convey in his review. Shame people can't read past bullet points and said a lot of ignorant shit about his opinion.
>>331339425
Tons of moves, every direction+ button does something different and changes in phases too and in burst mode. Phase shifting.
I am sure it's not hard to grasp once you play it for a while but when you toss in a bunch of new shit no one has seen before yeah, it can be overwhelming. I think if you had a background in 3D fighters or maybe even smash the game would be easier to grasp
>>331339425
The counter isn't even complicated, it works exactly like focus attacks in SFIV.
The digestion comes from the split between 3D arena mode and 2D fighter mode, and how some attacks function for both, and figuring out how to work your way into whichever mode works better for your character. It's not terribly deep, but I'd say there's more to it than Smash Bros.
>>331339343
english is not my primary language kid
