Whats Ocarina of Time's biggest flaws?
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Whats Ocarina of Time's biggest flaws?
Not enough combat.
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>>322588521
Annnd we're done here.
>>322588521
That was easy as fuck
Undertale
>>322588649
Oh yes that's a big flaw now that I am considering it with my mind thinking about it. When you get to that the part in an area, getting at it, the sword. Oh my the sowrd. You feel so badass getting a t a sword. if I remember...
>2nd dungeon
>kid sand temple
>adult shadow temple
>ganon castle
you get a nice one on 1 fight that utilizes z-targeting, shielding and dodging
>>322588847
So are literally all 3D Zelda games as they're literally targeted toward 8 year olds.
It lacks game FEEL
>>322588649
The combat is also slow.
>>322588931
>he still believes in the memes
Shitty controls
Low framerate
>>322588164
I honestly think just a bland overworld.
I prefer the old color pallete because it brings a more grimdark feel to it, but the new one looks good on 3D.
>>322588909
Am I just tired or is this just giberish
>>322588521
Going back, the entire game is just a sad chore. I kept waiting for it to get as good as I thought it was back when. Dreaded doing the damn racing, the Lost Woods maze, entirety of Jabu Jabu, all the temples. I've beat it twice now and don't plan to ever play it again. What was the appeal back then?
>>322589028
I'm not spouting memes, only facts. Faggot.
>>322588164
Not much to do outside of the main quest, bad use of items, not so interesting world.
Battle mechanics could be better.
It caused Majora's Mask to be created
>>322588164
Egoraptor covered all of them pretty well in that video he made
>Some annoyances with Navi & Kaepora Gaebora
>Epona was honestly kind of useless after all the effort to get her, outside the hidden bottle. She is more or less optional.
>Game has a shit ton of glitches, but oddly still works like normal
>Some of the platforming is annoying as fuck. Namely in the Fire Temple and Shadow Temple
>Game is a bit easy, a lot of the side stuff is pretty much unnecessary.
Granted, to be honest, those are pretty minor nitpicks.
>>322589117
>memepinions
>memefacts
Better stop or you'll turn into a meme yourself
The boomerang didn't translate into 3D very well at all.
>>322588164
Its a Zelda game, and a children's game...
>>322589223
Egoraptor is better off shutting the fuck up about his really, really dumb opinions and lack of any real knowledge about video games, and instead make penis jokes while playing video games with his jew pet while making bank
Link has to jump constantly and there is no jump button.
>People are going to complain about with 2015 gaming in mind
People that complain over OoT loves doing with everything they know nowadays. People hardly ever really takes the time to break down what they could have done differently while thinking about the game in 1997.
>>322589343
I think if a person can find flaws in OoT, they do have some knowledge about video games. Lots of people praise it without actually understanding it's dog shit unplayable. I'm going to have to give this Egoraptor guy a chance and listen to him now.
Arin "Manychins Fucking Retard" Hanson and his garbage opinions go in the trash. The worst thing about Ocarina of Time is that it ended.
Still though Majora's Mask and Link to the Past are better. Deal with it fantards.
Let's get this shit started.
MM > TP > WW > OoT > SS
>Slow paced action
>Huge but empty overworld
>Low framerate
>Too linear at times(particularly dungeons)
>Exploration feels less rewarded(almost always rupees)
>>322589643
2d Zelda games are the only ones worth playing. Even then, they're still outclassed by Sega clones. Legend of oasis, shining force, etc
does Zelda do better as an exploring/adventure game? a dungeon crawling, puzzle solving game? a satisfying boss fighting game?
>>322589850
Pokemon the First Movie taught me that clones are inferior.
>>322589941
B, A, C, in that order
>>322588847
>Getting his heart piece
>Trivial
if it's not good enough to bring to a desert island, it's not good enough to play
>>322589016
It's not ,it's just that the enemies aren't aggressive and generally can't do shit to you.
>>322589941
The former by far. The dungeons and bosses are vastly weaker than interacting with the world.
>>322589478
>I think if a person can find flaws in OoT, they do have some knowledge about video games.
No, the exact opposite happens. Some complete normie fuck will look at OoT and think its blocky trash that aged like milk. Only those educated in games would be able to see just how incredible the game is, and what it meant for 3D games, especially in 1998.
Egoraptor is an entertainer and an animator, but that certainly does not make him any more knowledgeable than the average joe.
i could forgive all the flaws if I was just allowed to date loli ruto
>>322589941
>implying being a mixture of all those elements isn't what makes them great
>>322589478
>Lots of people praise it without actually understanding it's dog shit unplayable.
If you think OoT is "unplayable" then you are a fucking drooling retard.
Is it without flaws? No. Has it aged well? Not particularly. But does it hold up as a solid game? Absolutely.
That I can't experience it for the first time again :/
>>322590667
>But does it hold up as a solid game? Absolutely.
is this you?
>>322590223
>bringing TWO zelda games to a island
Fuck off.
>>322589941
Zelda is all about a mixture of everything. That's why people that try to say "Dark Souls is the new Zelda" are retarded. The whole idea of why Zelda works well is that you have an fairly open world to explore with fun dungeons to look around in while solving puzzles to get nice items and in the end fight bosses.
Sometimes they work sometimes not but really no other series does it like Zelda. Darksiders tried and personally so fucking bad and happy 2 decided to not try to mimic the Zelda formula. Okami however was a fucking great Zelda game but sadly the dungeons were pretty weak.
>>322589478
>OoT
>unplayable
Couldn't be any more contrarian if you tried
>>322590757
>#GamerNextDoor
>>322590757
I wish I had a gf like this ;__;
>>322588521
That wasn't hard you fucking pussies. Still isn't.
>>322590757
I want to rape her mouth shut
>>322590757I see it.
>>322589012
fucking bullshit terms made up by dipshits who can't put into words their issues with a game or it's controls
>>322588787
>>322588847
>>322589096
>>322591137
Sorry I posted a random image I had in my folder to bump I was not trying to say it was a flaw.
>>322589643
OoT > MM > WW > TP/SS
>>322589096
Most things are better the first time anon.
>>322588164
Combat
It was fairly dull. Lot of waiting around. I'ld say it easier than the earlier games since at least positioning counted there. It was mostly just ya ya ya wait wait wait ya ya ya.
Travel
Fuck everything before you get Epona. God damn the world feels tiny and yet annoyingly big at the same time.
Visuals.
It had some nice areas don't get me wrong, but I really hate the N64 for having such bland ways to render.
No Jump button was kinda sad as well. It made everything look more epic than it played since jump was just walking. Would have been nice to have that gameplay. We burn games these days for that kind of automation.
Also to those that hate Navi, the Owl was far worse. Fucking skip text and repeat it all being the same button. Fuck that feathery douche.
Game is great as it is. Hyrule field couldve gotten a bit more shit in it like Gerudo Valley or the lake but thats about it.
>>322588164
Gamebreaking bugs that prevent you from finishing it.
Na'vi. Lackluster music compared to other titles. Needing to use the Ocarina whenever you want to do something. Havring to run through Hyrule field whenever you have to go somewhere. Objectives that aren't really explicitly clear, though I'll admit I am retarded so that might be subjective.
Boring boss fights, but that's kind of a Zelda thing.
That's about it. The rest of the game is decent, but I'll never understand why it's hailed as the second coming.
>>322592682
>Gamebreaking bugs that prevent you from finishing it.
You're fucking shitting me.
>>322592818
I'm not.
I am physically unable to acquire the Nocturne of Shadow on my first and only playthrough of the game. Don't bother suggesting anything, because I've already tried everything, it's a bug.
I mean obviously this contributes to why I don't fellate the game whenever it's mentioned, but it has other flaws, like the ones I listed.
TEH WAYTING
>>322592682
>Gamebreaking bugs that prevent you from finishing it.
Such as?
>>322592682
>Gamebreaking bugs
Name one.
>>322591098
you really don't. vapid and vacuous attention whores
>>322593210
I've never heard of anything like this before. What version are you playing?
>>322593210
Describe this bug? It's probably emulator related if it exists.
That said, if you are using an emulator, you can probably just gameshark your way through.
EH REH
>>322592682
Guessing troll but whatever
What gamebreaking bug? Playing the game over and over again and haven't ran into any bugs.
>Navi
People love shitting on Navi but those are people that can't think of it as a 1998 game. People couldn't really get the whole 3D open world so Navi was there to help the player know where to go next. Yeah they could have used a notebook but they wanted someone to interact with. And the game is about Link having a connection to the fairy people.
>Music
Fuck you OoT had amazing music and the Ocarina was fine. It was use to teleport everywhere and the times to use Zelda's Lullaby was short and sweet.
>Run around Hyrule
The game was about exploring. And like I said you get teleporting powers.
>Boring boss fights
Most were memorable enough for me. I love the size difference with Child Link.
>>322588164
it was literally a perfect game at the time it came out. retrospective flaws from people such as
>>322592238
who clearly played it long after it was initially released are only visible because other games have built on the foundation that OoT started with.
I say this as someone who grew out of Nintendo games 10 years ago, by the way.
>>322593358
>>322593302
>>322592682
>>322592818
>gamebreaking bugs such as
people really dont know about the gold cartridge bugged water temple that requires a full restart if you fuck up
and then the nocturne of shadow song bug
>>322593464
>>322593474
I was playing the 3DS version of the game.
I would have to re-check a guide to confirm exactly since I've never actually finished the game (obviously), or progressed past that point but I believe someone is supposed to spawn that gives you the Nocturne? And they just...didn't.
I tried for several days to wander around because I'd gotten stuck before and didn't want to use a guide for a children's game, but I got frustrated enough and went to gamefaqs, and that's where I realized events on my file didn't match up with the ones in the guide. So I spent quite literally several hours across several days trying to google and finagle my way to progress in the game, but to no avail.
I mean maybe I'll restart a file and finish the game one day, but I admit I'm still way too butthurt it happened in the first place.
>>322593791
I own the gold cart and played it over and over again but never had those happen to me.
>>322593668
I don't give Navi shit. She wasn't that bad.
But people couldn't get 3D open world is a load of crap. RPGs had been doing it for years in 3D. And its not much different that 2D.
>>322588164
25 fps. I mean come on it's the current year and this game is still locked to 25 fps? When will the devs patch this shit? baka senpai
>>322593994
>And its not much different that 2D.
Ok clearly you have no fucking idea what you are talking about
>>322593791
>>322593979
the full restart was always a myth, it doesn't actually happen. It's just from kids who got stuck at one of the harder to find keys
>>322593917
Oh wow. The 3DS version isn't even the same as the original, that's a bug that was apparently added in that version. Weird, I'd expect the quality control to be better for such a relatively new release.
>>322593917
I doubt it's a glitch, the Noctune event requires particular circumstances, it doesn't just automatically happen. It's possible that the 3DS version is bugged, but I've never heard of this, or any game breaking event, happening.
>and that's where I realized events on my file didn't match up with the ones in the guide
OoT is a non linear game, there are plenty of alternate ways of completing it. What specific events are you talking about?
Shit fps
Empty world
While the controls are fine, I always hated N64 controllers
That's it
>>322589012
>"THE TREASURE CHESTS TAKE TOO LONG TO OPEN!"
the controller works but it's p shit bro
>>322594495
The part where Shrek teaches you the Nocturne of Shadow when you arrive in Kakariko after beating the Water Temple, I assume.
Not enough Saria
>>322594495
>Don't bother suggesting anything because I've already tried everything
I'm not going through all that again Anon, it's a bug that's preventing me from completing the game.
You aren't obligated to believe me, but I'm not wasting any more of my time on something that can't be done.
>The Nocturne event requires particular circumstances
Which won't happen.
>I've never heard of this
Well you're hearing about it now.
>OOT is a non-linear game there are plenty of alternate ways
All of which I have fucking tried and none of them worked.
It
Is
A
Bug.
>>322588164
EH REH
>>322594495
>>322594414
He's lieing, hot dang. There has never and never will have been a game-end bug in any version of Ocarina of Time.
The only way I could possibly buy someone saying they're stuck is if they absolutely refuse to enter Kakariko Village from the main entrance and keep coming to it by warping Death Mountain or the Lost Woods and hiking down. In which event the graveyard and village will be stormy but the scene won't trigger.
>>322588164
Too much waiting.
>>322592682
I wanna fuck that mermaid.
>>322593917
Kinda crazy assumption here, but did you try entering Kakariko Village specifically from the Hyrule Field entrance? I once got stuck wondering what went wrong before realizing that was a thing.
>>322588164
You'l never play it for the first time again.
>>322595036
Give me one legitimate reason I would have to lie about something so fucking stupid.
Please, explain yourself.
Navi, in every way. Beyond the hand holding, HEY LISTEN, and generally annoying ever-presence, the context sensitive targeting/info/controls were busted as hell, but then context sensitive anything in video games is usually a huge red flag. Back then it was mostly untried, but it is a showcase for how to make a game as simple as possible. That game was a mess of poor execution, but Navi, bar none.
>>322590757
Is there even supposed to be a point hidden in this response or did you just pick literally any random picture of a person off the internet and assume I'll be offended and think you've totally proven your point?
No, I'm not a relatively girl. Sorry. But if you do think that OoT is "unplayable" then you are fucking dumb.
>>322595216
Trolls being trolls. This is literally the first time any of us heard of this problem. And this game is the most well documented 3D game ever made.
>>322595216
Because you want attention. No one has any clue wtf you're talking about, and the most obvious reason is that you're making up bullshit.
>>322595216
Attention?
Obliviousness mixed with ignorance?
Trolling?
>>322595248
Don't be an idiot, you know as well as I that OOT was probably the first 3D game anyone ever played that required thinking, and the control scheme was so fucked up that you needed a guide. Context-sensitive buttons, "Attack" is not a real attack etc.
>>322595328
Do you really think I would put this much effort into trolling people?
>>322595389
If I wanted attention I would get a trip and pretend to be gay.
I mean fuck whatever I tried to discuss the flaws the game has, one of which I experienced, but if you guys seriously wanna refuse the fact that the game might have a bug like that and cry "troll" and "liar" then I don't know why I even fucking bother.
But this must be a troll bait attention post too, right? Christ.
Not enough interesting rewards from doing side missions; heart pieces are the go-to reward and are pretty much worthless.
Gold skulletas are boring and worse than the fairies from majora's mask.
The main over world is empty and uninteresting.
>>322595752
did you try walking to kakariko village from the temple of time, I found a gamefaqs thread where somebody says they had the same issue
>>322595752
>But this must be a troll bait attention post too, right?
Yup.
Post proof of bug or GTFO, kid.
>>322595752
As been said this game literally has been looked at for nearly 20 years. There's still glitches to be found but so far I haven't anyone talked about anything of what you describe.
>>322595752
>>322595854
did you try samefagging to try and steer your bullshit towards a documented bug to save face?
>>322595752
>if you guys seriously wanna refuse the fact that the game might have a bug like that
If it were any other game, I'd be more inclined to believe you. People really know a hell of a lot about the game and its minute details have been catalogued for years, to a greater degree than anything comparable. The game has crazy safeguards preventing you from fucking yourself over. Out of the millions of people who have played it, nothing like this has ever been documented. What have you actually done and what does your pause screen show?
>>322596052
Jesus Christ, I fucking googled to see if I could find any other similar complaints, and posted what I saw
get over yourself, idiot.
>>322596195
>still no proof of bug
This is getting boring now.
>>322588164
Its mechanics are still highly experimental, which means they don't always have the kind of polish we'd like as modern gamers.
> Big open world game, afraid people will get confused; Put Navi in to remind them of things every 5 minutes.
> Tons of scripted cutscenes showing us the effect a switch or torch had, with a door unlocking or platform moving; Helpful at times, but also kills the pacing.
Looking at the changes made to Majora's mask as a response is a good indicator.
>>322596237
Probably because i'm a different poster, fuckface.
>>322596316
You should show me a screenshot you've edited with inspect element to totally prove it. Much like your gamebreaking bug.
>>322588164
The ending. Seriously. The credits suck ass. Look at all the top tier Nintendo games up to that point. They all had great endings.
>>322596383
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997842-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/59990166
Or I could show you the gamefaqs thread I quoted in which somebody else experiences a similar bug
>HOW DARE YOU SAY MY GAME HAS A BUG *HYPERVENTILATING INTENSIFES*
>THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!
jesus christ
>>322596492
You should show this to bullshitter-kun so he can claim it's the bug he's been talking about the whole time. Oh, wait. He mysterious stopped posting after you showed up.
>>322596576
The game has plenty of bugs. But you're gonna need proof if you want to claim you've found one no one has ever heard of before.
>>322596586
This is sad.
>>322592818
I accidently did the ''transform any item into a bottle'' exploit once and ruined my whole fucking save file by transforming my ocarina.
10 years old me cried like a bitch.
cutscenes and helpers
>>322595216
Just because you're bad and forgot to do something along the way doesn't mean the games bugged.
post yfw every single important character dies in OoT
>Saria was killed by the phantom of Ganondorf
>Darunia was eaten by Volvagia
>Ruto died in the frost
>Impa never left the shadow temple
>Nabooru was killed by (You)
>>322596687
Yeah, it is. I was hoping to see some brand new bug/glitch. Turns out you're just a liar.
>>322596694
Ok, that's insanely unfortunate.
>>322596492
did you even read that you goddamn retard
>>322596843
Did you even read fucking anything?
I googled and found a similar enough looking bug that I suggested it to the original guy.
>>322596741
>QUIT INSULTING MY GAME
>HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
>>322596968
>the original guy
>the original guy who is totally not me
>fo real doe
wew lad
It's been years since I played it, but what I remember is that when you first become adult, you have to do bunch of rubbish for game to get fun again, like getting Hookshot and clearing the first adult temple.
Other than that, I really don't have much grievances? It's not perfect, and some of later games have parts of it beat, but Ocarina really did tons of things right.
>>322597106
Why can't you just post proof of this bug that no one has heard of yet? Why is that so hard to do?
>>322596968
what are you talking about you mongoloid, there is no fucking bug reported in that thread, he got his fucking song, go die in a fire
>>322588164
Existing
>>322597220
because i'm literally not the same poster rofl you fucking dipshits
>>322597258
but you literally are rolf you lying faggot
>>322597221
>Hey guys, I can't get the Nocturne of Shadow
>GET OUT SONYFAG
>I found a gamefaqs thread where somebody had trouble getting the Nocturne of Shadow and found a solution, did you try that?
>WOW FUCKING SAMEFAG SONYFAG
>>322597371
>being this embarrassed you got caught lying on the internet
>>322597287
Keep believing that and maybe satoru iwata will give you a post-humous award for defending the game religiously
>>322597458
No one was defending the game, they were just asking to post proof of your bullshit.
>>322597540
How can I do that, if i'm literally not the same poster. All I did was post a gamefaqs thread.
>>322597423
>being this shittershattered about a game from 1993
>>322597641
Yeah, you're totally not that guy who mysteriously just stopped posting right after you started.
>>322597749
What the fuck would I gain from that, dipshit supreme?
>>322597641
In which the problem was solved. Having said that, the way that part of the game plays out is osmewhat arbitrary and bullshit. I'm glad that it doesn't just tell you what to do and railroad you in, but you're potentially left without much recourse if you don't know what you're supposed to do.
>>322597856
in which the problem was solved, hence why I suggested it as a solution to the faggot who left the thread and now you guys are flailing around yourselves implying it's me for some vague as-of-yet-to-be-defined payoff
>>322597826
You already asked this before.
>>322595216
>>322590757
this is a dude... you just know it when you've been here too long
>>322597953
Have you considered you're retarded enough to bewilder two posters?
>>322590757
GamerNextDoor is pretty good.
>Zelda
>Saria
>Malon
>Ruto
>Probably others that I'm forgetting
Why did OoT have a subtle harem element to it?
>>322598086
Have you considered that had you just not been "that kid" earlier you wouldn't have to keep up this shitposting in order to deal with the embarrassment of getting called out?
>>322598140
Because it was deliberate and you were supposed to be able to choose which girl you wnated.
>>322598203
Somebody else is saying i'm another dude because he's delusional about his childhood videogame!
Oh no, I am embarrass on anonymous board! commit sudoki
>>322598203
Somebody's projecting.
>>322598383
>i found a gamebreaking bug no one has ever heard of
>ok, post proof
>ZOMG UR DELUSIONAL LITTLE KIDDO CHILDHOOD GAME IS BROKEN DEFENDING IT FAGGOT LEL I TROLE U xD
Seems legit.
>>322595097
>I wanna fuck that mermaid.
I wanna fuck this post.
>>322598507
>Everybody who has an opinion differing to my own is the same guy, preferably they like sony games
Nintendrones never learn.
>>322598637
No one is talking about opinions or Sony. They're talking about you posting proof for your claim.
>>322589478
>I think if a person can find flaws in OoT, they do have some knowledge about video games
Literally the exact opposite of this is true
>>322598690
Look at those goalposts move.
Something's wrong with you.
>>322598762
Look at you still not posting proof.
Something's wrong with you.
>>322598804
Lmao, somebody got a nerve hit
this is embarrassing watching you flail around
>>322598876
Finally. Was that so hard? You've finally demonstrated your gamebreaking OoT bug that was previously unknown. All us little kiddos will now have to kill ourselves because our precious childhood game is now ruined forever.
hey, you were right, i was samefagging to prove a point, im sorry, you caught me, there is no bug
>>322599010
Yeah, we know. But you're not getting out of this thread. That would end the embarrassed shitposting damage control.
hey, you were wrong.I was samefagging to prove a point, i'm not sorry, you didn't catch me. There is a bug.
First runthrough of the original 64 version is basically 'perfect' because nothing is known.
Subsequent playthroughs reveal a somewhat empty world made only more so by the timeskip and rewards that mean very little beyond key items. The ice arrow is literally a pointless reward, for instance and the giant's knife is a meme item.
Factor in rupees or means to earn more rupees as your reward beyond pieces of heart and little else and you come to breeze past most content because money is pointless in OoT.
Dungeons are generally solid but suffer dips in quality and clarity and some become better as you play again while others become worse (the water temple is perfectly fine past run 1 and actually interesting. Meanwhile the Shadow temple is really neat looking but awful for repeats.)
It's a genre defining game and is unmistakably a Zelda game but it is not the unflinching, unerring edifice it is lauded as, it is instead just an exceptional game.
>>322599059
>You're not getting out of this thread
Alive, that is.
*Katana howls at the moon*
ITT: a shitposter in full damage control mode becomes completely unhinged.
Also, I post random anime stuff.
>>322593917
So basically you didn't beat the forest, fire and water temple before going to kakariko
rgr dat
>>322599173
>The ice arrow is literally a pointless reward, for instance and the giant's knife is a meme item
>e z bongo bongo kill
>huge damage increase is a meme
wat
>>322599346
ITT: a guy literally tries to tell me i'm not me for half an hour
Ocarina of time's biggest flaw is creating this thread t b h senpai
I think its biggest flaw was that it was "too safe"
It doesn't particularly excel at any area. It's too standard/definitive of the entire Zelda series. Even the graphics are too safe. It had good music, good gameplay, good dungeons, good enemy design, but I don't know if I can really call any of it great.
Like it'll always just be a B+ game. But that's going to stay a B+ throughout time, compared to something like Pokemon Red and Blue which is like a D right now compared to Heartgold and Soul Silver.
>>322590757
shit now I want tacos
>>322599372
No, it's a bug. Didn't you read the thread?
>>322599492
It's not a fucking bug, quit samefagging.
>>322599469
If you weren't that guy why would you even bother responding with something like this?
I ALREADY APOLOGIZED FOR SAMEFAGGING
>>322599585
because I wanted to see how far he would keep going when I was just shitposting
>>322599483
>It's too standard/definitive of the entire Zelda series
Yeah it's just like all the other 3D zelda games before it, shieeet it even has a plethora of zelda games that it can draw inspo from
REE REE OHHHHHWAAAAAAY
>>322599601
STOP FUCKING YELLING I'M SORRY TOO
>>322589240
>MEME! MEME! MEME!
OoT defense force in a nutshell.
>>322599647
>onlypretending.mkv
If you say so. Imma keep posting anime.
>>322599454
The giants knife. Not Biggorons sword.
I did not know the ice arrow had a useful application. Color me impressed.
>>322599798
If you shoot bongo bongo's hand with an ice arrow, he opens up his eye and starts trying to break his hand free of ice
It's pretty cool
>>322591621LOSS
>>322599720
I just wanted to see how long it would take him to realize I might be telling the truth
keep posting anime
what would you recommend to somebody who liked osumatsu-san
>>322588164
No strong female characters.
>>322599987
>what would you recommend to somebody who liked osumatsu-san
>>322600010
There's 5
>>322600060
is something wrong with osomatsu san i'm very bad at anime
>>322588164
Bad combat
>>322600121
all of which need to be rescued, throw themselves at the hero as a reward or do nothing but help get you off
>>322600137
You're also very bad at picking up on subtle recommendations.
>>322600231
Impa
Zelda (as sheik)
The entire gerudo race
Witch 1 and Witch 2
could u be any mor incorectt rite now rflmao
>>322589036
>Low framerate
OoT internally renders at 60fps on N64.
But it rasterizes only every third frame (20fps).
The controls are no less responsive than something like Metal Gear Rising.
>>322600307
I just shitposted in a thread for half an hour trying to prove I wasn't samefagging, which is impossible on 4chan
i'm not a subtle thinking person quite obviously but tyvm
the overworld
that's literally it. Everything else is fine
>>322600495
What? giant flying pineapples make for great world design, that's why every open world has copied it since
>>322588732
>Zelda comic
>it's about getting triggered from hearing hey listen lol isn't that funny us gamers huh
>>322600568
Dude I was doing a play through of OoT the other weekend and there was this one time where navi said hey like 4 times in the space of about a minute and a half
was pretty hh33h3h3h3h3 annoying h3h3hahahah4h4hh4
>>322600549
Who could ever forget The Witcher 3's great flying pineapple mission
>>322588732
Us gamers xD
The rape scene was triggering.
Who cares about the flaws in your old game, anon?
Let's celebrate what's good about the new ones!
>>322599483
>first attempt at a 3D Zelda
>too safe
>>322599483
>Heartgold and Soul Silver.
>slow-ass molasses shitfeces Gen IV engine
>good
just play Crystal, it's the same game but with better gameplay (at the expense of the Cianwood Safari Zone though)
>>322599483
It's a big fucking improvement over ALttP at least.
>>322602117
Not him but OoT is kind of just ALttP just in a 3D world. But to me I feel it was needed. They were worried about how they would be able to get a game like Zelda to really work in a big open world. So using a already known template was a safe move on their part.
>>322600416
>renders
>rasterizes
You mean the game logic ticks at 60fps but it doesn't display with that framerate?
>>322603409
>is kind of just ALttP just in a 3D world
It's not. It only shares the same overall structure. Hell, being able to freely aim around in 3D space changes so much about how you interact with the world and what is even possibly to do with it. ALttP can't hide things around surfaces since it has no rotational freedom at all.
>>322603795
>It only shares the same overall structure
That's what I said...
>>322590379
As much as his OoT video is whiny and wrong, I still think he hit tons of good points in the megaman video.
>>322603889
In an extremely vague sense. You get three items, then dual world travel and then a bunch more sages/maidens. Aside form that, what you actually do and how the specifics are organised are completely different.
Listen here you little shits, the REAL biggest flaw of OoT was that it started the transition to 3D.
All 3D Zelda games are inferior to the 2D games. There is no 3D Zelda that is better than A Link to the Past or Link's Awakening. Minish Cap is also great but sadly, it's too damn short.
Ocarina of Time was still acceptable but you could already see how 3D pales in comparison to 2D in Majora's Maskthe Stone Temple is top tier though.
>>322604825
this desu
>>322589096
You a big part of the game is the exploration while you figure out what you are suppose to do next.
Once you already know where everything is and what you are suppose to do its not as entertaining.
I pity people who read guides while playing games. But at least i now know why my friend who reads guides while playing games doesnt like zelda games.
>>322604825
Then why are there no individual 2D games that have the depth of the 3D games?
>>322595639
You realize oot was long after 3d games became a thing, right?
>>322588164
it gets boring at 75%
but that concern all zelda games.
>>322589643
MM>TP>OOT>SS>>>>>>>WW
>>322606840
I've never played WW but for people to rate it worse than SS it must have been a steaming pile of shit.
>>322600416
I can see that with majoras mask cause at the pause screen its 60 fps.
But OOT? Its pause menu takes long time to load.
>>322607137
I'm most likely in a minority but I just thought it was boring as shit. I at the very least got some enjoyment out of SS.
>>322607137
the guy rates TP above oot. you can safely disregard his opinion. TP is quite easily the worst 3d zelda, not counting SS which i wont judge because i havnt played.
How does Wind Waker compare to the rest of the series? I'm just getting started with Zelda games (played TP and the DS games a long while ago though, but still, I feel ashamed) but I think and hope I picked the worst entry.
It's so easy and boring in every way possible. The grid system makes exploring boring because there is only one thing in each grid (except the occasional submarine or something else that's trivial). I can't make any notes so the advice from those fishes is mostly useless and I can't remember what item I need for which island. Most islands aren't worth going to, as it doesn't even take a few minutes to complete them. It's seemingly impossible to die so I don't really need to explore and get heart containers. But instead of heart containers I get those retarded sea charts (and I don't really need to look at them as the treasure have this huge light coming from the sea). I get my upgrades for free instead of having to buy them, making the Rupee system and thus most treasures completely useless. Windfall island was filled with NPCs which was great, Dragon Roost island was okay in that aspect but ever since that one there aren't any islands filled with NPCs. The dungeons are really fun if not a little bit easy and are the only reason I'm playing it. Also, Tetra just changed in that retarded, helpless princess Zelda. That's really disappointing.
A bit of a scattered post, but my question is if the other Zeldas are any better than this.
>>322608040
Personally SS is the worst 3D Zelda and TP is second.
SS was one of the most lazy Zelda games to date. World feels so disconnected from each other. You go from Skyloft and jump to the different areas. Dungeons feels boring and outside of one or two boss fights SS might have the worse bosses in Zelda history. Fi is without a doubt the worse companion ever in Zelda (maybe in gaming). Combat feels weird having it base on the Wiimote. When enemies block it just feels annoying than them outthinking you.
It has some nice things but overall it was something that actually made me almost disregard the whole series. To me it felt almost like it was the Other M of Zelda.
>>322608040
TP has great dungeons and that is pretty much the meat of the Zelda experience. That's why I rated it above OoT.
>>322608632
I would recommend trying out Ocarina of Time. In my opinion it's miles better than WW. If that's not your thing then the series is not for you.
>>322596694
how did you know about exploits back then?
when i was 10 i thought u could unlock goku in super smash bros 64 because it was on supercheats
>>322608632
Wind Waker HD actually did a lot of things to make it much better overall. It remembers what the fish tells you, sailing is faster with an item you can buy, and fixes that Triforce shit that made actually quit before finishing the GameCube version.
>>322608740
TP was boring as hell. Dungeons wasn't really that great honestly. Wolf Link should have been kind of sweet but I felt it never really used well outside of trying to kill all those shadows at once. It has some of the worse usage of items. Spinner should be fucking amazing but instead you use it like 3 times outside of the major dungeon (that was a sweet boss fight I give it that). They tried to make combat better with the different moves which was nice but near the end I only used the move that one shot everything and nothing else.
>>322589012
>thinks he's a rapper, still calls himself an animator
>>322608632
most zelda games are pretty easy because they are made for 10 year olds.
A lot of the fun comes from figuring out how to do stuff, even if that stuff is just a heart container that you dont need. in some of the zelda games these little things can be rewarding because they were a little clever, sometimes its just monotonous.
imo If a game presents you with a puzzle and you immediately know how to complete it you will find yourself going through the motions of that puzzle and it will not be very rewarding. But if you are presented with a puzzle and are not sure how to complete it so you think it out and make up solutions as you go along until you eventually find it out its a little more rewarding.
Some zelda games are more so the former than the latter. but pretty much all of them have tons of little puzzles for little things that you probably dont really need so if you dont find joy in finding those things even if it is "the latter" then zelda games are probably not for you.
If you want a challenge though try collecting all the masks in majoras mask. that quest for the couples mask is a doozy.
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Hey listen! Hey listen! Hey listen! Hey listen! Hey listen! Hey listen! Hey listen! Hey listen!
Hua hya! hya! hait!
>>322608040
Honestly, people who hate SS have no taste.
It does a lot of things right and fixes a LOT of flaws that TP suffered from.
It's a really fun game. I recommend it.
>>322588164
The 15fps framerate, i could get over the fact that it looked like ass but i never could stand the framerate, it makes the gameplay way too unresponsive.
>>322608632
TP is not just the worst Zelda game, but easily one of the worst 3D/action games of that entire generation.
>>322589212
nothing wrong with that screenshot, don't be so autistic
>>322588164
Link wasnt a woman.
>>322609558
The 3D ones focus on exploration.
The 2D ones focus on puzzle solving.
This is accepted fact for like almost twenty years now.
>>322590757
someone post that image showing the difference between boys and girls taking pictures of food/objects
>>322611752
>some guy followed NPCs around for months
>before even trying to play the game
>but he's not the autistic one
>somehow, calling him retarded is autistic
Literally what kind of mental gymnastics did you just do?
>>322611867
both pretty much equally focus on both, actually. they're just in different styles
>>322611562
Your underage is showing
MM>OoT>WW
WW was alright, but I'd rather have less islands while having them be bigger and more meaningful.
MM won me over because it fixed some of OoT's issues while doing a lot of things differently and having a lot of optional content that's really fun to discover. Also, it had a more interesting story, and the system of time progression, while a bit annoying, also allowed individual NPC stories to unfold in a unique way.
Dropped TP after the first dungeon, it was boring as shit to me, and didn't even touch SS.
I generally prefer 2D Zeldas, overall. Shame ALBW was shit.
>>322589012
I'm watching the video right now and it makes me rage
>>322612056
If anything i was disappointing, i fucking loved LTTP, and i found it mediocre as fuck gameplay wise, probably due to the framerate, not that i knew that at the time.
>>322612031
>guy played a video game doing side quests for a month
>before beating the main story
>"but that's not how it was intended, you have to play it the NORMAL WAY!"
>somehow, you caring enough about it to take screenshots and inappropriately bring it up isn't extremely autistic
I bet you took "months" literally too, not as "a few times over the course of a couple months" fucking autist
>>322589096
Some people like you and me cannot repeat things. Everything I do twice feels like a chore, and its not just gamessend help
>>322588521
A lot of people saying "But it's easy" in this thread. I think that the fact that you even have to do this to get to the first temple is fucking stupid. Why would I go to the graveyard and move a very specific tombstone when the game was telling me to go to the forest?
>>322612941
it was fun and had a nice payoff
>>322588164
Like with every other game: Cut content.
>>322612941
The game forces you to explore the world to advance the story.
I personally like this. If everything just neatly falls into place then the game feels too easy and linear and its really apparent that its on rails. If im out exploring stuff and im never sure when im about to find the thing that advances the plot the game does not feel so linear.
Though once you start getting older you find less joy in that sort of thing ;_;
>>322613312
There's nothing fun in clicking every button and talking to every NPC. Specially when the game is remotely big
>>322613274
>Kirby Super Star remake added tons of new subgames
>Mario 64 remakewas worsebut added tons of worthwhile new content
>Ocarina of Time remake didn't even add Ura Zelda content
>Majoras Mask remake didn't add anything at all, just casualized changes
>Wind Waker remake didn't even add any beta content
>Twilight Princess remake won't add anything but amiibo cancer
Why did they even bother?
>>322613417
you dont enjoy talking to npcs to hear their story and gather clues about your quest?
I'm sorry anon.
>>322613539
perfect dark 64 remake was bad too, made all the enemies die in like 1-2 bullets even if shot in torso/limbs
>>322613614
>To hear their story
What NPC says anything remotely interesting?
>>322608632
Wind Waker is a pretty comfy game, I feel it has one of the more 'alive' feeling worlds compared to other zelda games. Honestly, dungeons are fun, combat is satisfying, exploration is top notch. Only problem I can see with it is that it can become a little repetitive, but this isn't really a problem if you're engrossed in the world.
>>322613818
I'm clearly aware of the concept, anon. Any evidence in the games suggesting they're from a parallel world?
>>322613818
>i have no imagination and i hate reading
>i like all my games to just flow effortlessly through plotlines without me having to figure out how to advance the plot myself
>id read a book but im a huge fucking faggot
>>322612247
The video was satire.
>>322615108
>I can perform a basic human function so that makes me smarter than you apes
No. RPG NPCs that have 2 lines of text are fucking stupid and it just so happens that 2 out of 100 say something that gives you hints or is interesting. Zelda is 1 out of 200
>>322613818
Motherfucking Great fucking Deku tree you fucking scrubby bastard.
>>322615457
That's not an optional NPC. He doesn't give you any hints. He is forced onto you to tell you story and shit. He is important. Tell me how many people in the Market or Kakariko are worth talking to?
>>322615694
Mask Salesman.
>>322615745
Sidequest. Again, tell me any reason why I should talk to people on the street all the time to know shit like going to the graveyard and move a gravestone to get the item that lets me go to the forest temple
>>322588164
Overworld is empty and shit.
>>322616000
The graveyard keeper himself is quite an interesting character. But you keep moving those goalposts son.
>>322615694
what about he guy in the alley that sells those special bombs?
>>322615310
source: my ass
>>322616000
As far as i remember no one in the street is going to tell you to move the gravestones to advance your story. i think you are just making up shit to support your argument. that's like feminazi tier arguing m8
>>322616000
Not him but why would anyone need to tell you why something in a game is enjoyable on a basic level withing your own made up criteria? Your inability to enjoy simple things is only your own problem.
>>322616097
> But you keep moving those goalposts son.
Did you even read the reply chain? The game has like 3 NPCs worth talking to that are not necessary to move forward. There's no fun in talking to random people because 99% of them have nothing to say to you, thus talking to people is completely pointless and a waste of time
>>322616367
I have no interest whatsoever talking to you any further m8.
>>322616449
Then don't. Shit like this is called padding. It stops you on your tracks and makes you check every single corner of the game to make you waste time. It's no better than gathering quests in Xenoblade X.
>B-but hey! If you explore every inch of the world and talk to every NPC ever you are going to know where to get that item you need!
>>322616657
>Shit like this is called padding
How's autism treating you?
>>322616786
So this is what it feels to be on the other side of the fight. Sure, when I defend OoT everyone agrees with me. When I say what I think is wrong with it, even shit that is undefendable, I just get "ok" or "autism much?" responses.
Wonderful
>>322589096
it was kind of a proto-open world game before open world games were a thing. now that you've played GTA3 the novelty has worn off and the boring shit, lack of combant and babby mode difficulty shine through
>>322617085
>A lot of people saying "But it's easy" in this thread. I think that the fact that you even have to do this to get to the first temple is fucking stupid. Why would I go to the graveyard and move a very specific tombstone when the game was telling me to go to the forest?
The thing you dont like is something other people do like. But you vehemently stand your ground against it anyways and move the goalposts against every argument of why someone says that they do like it.
I cant even remember if the game told you to go to the graveyard or not to get the hookshot. but even if it didnt, i still think its neat that its there because then when you are just looking around for random stuff you stumble upon some special item that gives you a power you didnt have before that allows you to advance the plot.
Your problem is you get upset when the means to advancing the plot is not readily apparent where as someone else will see it as an opportunity to explore the game world and look for secrets without feeling the sense of urgency or obligation to do the main story.
Its just different tastes i guess. but oot did that exploration thing pretty well imo.
>>322615694
They're all worth talking to because talking to them contribute to the general atmosphere of the game.
If you don't talk to them, it's like playing the game without the textures, you can but you miss out
>>322617085
>When I say what I think is wrong with it, even shit that is undefendable
You're talking about one of the best games of all time, it has so few flaws I can't even come up with any. It's a fucking century old at this point and people still think they have something new to say about it.
Too long
Story is generic childish fantasy
>>322589478
>Ocarina of time, widely considered video gaming's magnum opus
>"It's dog shit unplayable"
Holy fuck anon.
>>322588521
>all them millenial faggots bitching that they had to explore to progress
truly worse than cancer
>>322618943
>15fps
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/makzelda/interviews/kiootcomments.html
>tfw Ganondorf could have been green Raoh
>nearly half this thread is drones arguing with a guy saying he experienced a bug
>they are so autistic they can't accept a reality where their favorite game is not LITERALLY flawless
holy shit nintendrones have official surpassed sonyggers in delusion
>>322616000
>there's no reason to talk to any NPCs
>give reasons
>those don't count because they're reasons
>>322588732
Compared to Fi that is nothing.
>>322616367
there's that one dude in castle town that tells you lore about hylian's long ears but you'd already know it if you read the lttp instrunction book
i think he establishes there's a difference between humans and hylians too
That you have to go to the menu to switch boots, and you can't assign them a c-button slot.
>>322619292
We're not talking about bloodborne here, keep the fuck up.
>>322589643
MM>WW>SS>OoT>TP
not much of a flaw but I always disliked how generic the stories are in zelda games, but OoT takes the cake for being the most boring. You can tell it was clearly made to appeal to westerners.
>lil babby bitch boi from little village is the protag
>there is a big bad and a princess, the big bad wants to rule the world and he takes the princess
>protag is told he is chosen one and he must save princess
>through the help of other characters, he goes from zero to hero
>there is a magical sword in the stone that the big bad hates
>he becomes strong enough to beat the big bad and he saves the world
its just not my kind of story structure, its in too many things
>>322621873
OoT wishes it could keep that kind of framerate.
>>322621814
The 3DS version fixed that.
>>322588164
Kinda jumping off of egoraptor, but more interesting enemies that don't require just mindless waiting for them to be open to attack and actually require skull to dodge, ie iron knuckle
>>322589643
LTTP>*
>>322622005
OOT has a much stabler framerate than bloodboner. Stable 20 fps
vs
average fps of 25 constantly dropping to 15 if so much as 2 enemies are on screen at once
>>322622389
So you're saying 20fps is acceptable? I guess that's the average N64 fanboy right there.
>>322595216
Make sure you have the Forest, Fire and Water medallions then enter Kakariko Village from the front entrance in Hyrule Field.
If you have done that and the cutscene still doesn't trigger then I guess your game is bugged.
>>322612252
You are pretty disappointing, anon.
>>322622517
Yes, at the time, it was acceptable.
Which is why OoT is a masterpiece, and blunderboner is a failure.
>ITS OKAY WHEN SONY RELEASES A GAME WITH 20FPS IN 2015
>>322622918
Why, because i couldn't stand with 20fps as a teenager?
>>322623010
It was acceptable at the time, doesn't mean i liked it.
>>322622071
>more interesting enemies that don't require just mindless waiting for them to be open to attack
I think the only enemy in the game that requires "waiting" to attack are the Stalfos, since they're pretty invincible until they drop their guard. Everything else you can press your attack and take them out at your own leisure. Also, many enemies can be stunned with the boomerang/hookshot/deku nuts to open up more attack possibilities.
This "waiting" meme only seems like a good argument if you've never played the game, or if you fucking suck at everything (egoraptor).
>>322612252
>probably due to the framerate, not that i knew that at the time.
This is the most retarded logic ever. Reduced framerate does nothing to change the overall experience of Ocarina of Time. The only effect of a game running in 20 fps is it makes the player go "Ew, this is running in 20 fps", and since you didn't notice it as a kid, it did nothing to affect the game.
I think, at this point, we just need to rename this board to /framerate/, since it seems to be the most important thing here.
>>322625191
Played through it about 3 times and there are several enemies like that, keese, stalfos that you mentioned, skulltulas, wallmasters, deku scrubs, shell blades. You cannot deny that there aren't a bit of them, and as I was saying, waiting to attack requires no effort, so I don't understand how people who say this suck at the game.
>>322626582
Rereading your post I see you mentioned egoraptor and not just the people who refer to him, I stand corrected
>>322626582
>Skulltuas
Just fuck them up with the megaton hammer, so long as you don't try a jump attack it will kill even if you hit their front/
Shell blades kind of are, but it's done like that because you fight them in tight corridors most of the time, so the challenge is getting the space required when there's barely any
>>322626491
I enjoyed games running at a higher framerate more than the ones not even running 30, it's just an observation i have made looking back at the kind of games i liked, there's nothing retarded with that logic.
>>322626860
>Hammer
Just use the hookshot. It does the exact same thing and is twenty times easier to use.
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