Reminder that the only group that can crack the new version of Denuvo (3DM) has given up on trying to crack Denuvo games
Reminder that by next year, almost all games will use it.
Reminder that piracy is dead.
>but nobody cares about Just Cause 3, that's why it's not cracked!
If JC3 isn't popular enough to get cracked, that rules out pretty much everything but Call of Duty and GTA.
please reply to my b8 thread, thank you.
>>321318785
>Not so subtle Lords of the Fallen shilling on /v/
>>321318785
Well used and heavily discounted ($5 and under) games it is until they get their shit together.
>>321319536
But JC3 has been cracked
>>321318785
I have reverse engineered the portion of the wrapper that matters, and have made an unwrapper that should be able to unwrap versions 1 through 7. But before I present that, here's what I think about Denuvo. Quite frankly, the wrapper system is very weak. I don't know if Denuvo is underestimating people, or if they're incompetent, but the wrapper presents little challenge to anyone wishing to unwrap, especially if they've already gotten a valid activation key. The wrapper's protection is encrypting a portion of the protected EXE's code, but the amount is so small it's almost meaningless.
In the v7 sample I have 32 bytes are encrypted starting at the entry point. If you know about reverse engineering, you will know that the entry point typically contains the runtime initializer, and this code is similar between many executables using that runtime. So it's possible to just find another EXE with similar code, copy it over, fix a few offsets, and you're done. Exit, from above, is v6, and only had 16 bytes encrypted. There is no anti-dump, so you can just run the game, dump process, and copy over the unprotected bytes. Not only that, but the wrapper uses a publicly available PRNG implementation, and using that to perform XOR encryption. (It's a good thing they did that, because it meant less work for me. I wonder what the period on the PRNG is.) The wrapper has no support for in-memory patching of EXEs with TLS nor relocations. And you can practically skip all of its licensing checks by jumping past those instructions (and it'll decrypt and launch the game, with enough time for you to do a memory dump).
Overall, it's just braindead and rather pathetic. You don't even need a code to decrypt it.
>>321318785
JC3 has been cracked.
>>321321575
interesting
i have no clue what this means but it sounds interesting
Reminder that CPY is the only group that actually cracked Denuvo on the games 3dm gave up on.
>>321321909
its like they built a bank vault where all you need to open it is the combination to another bank vault.
>>321322216
if you put it that way it seems quite silly
>>321321575
Denuvo confirmed dead.
OP marketer on suicide watch.
/thread
>>321321575
if this was true every group would have a crack out already, or are they scared to release it because they want a good patch for the game before releasing the crack to the public?
>>321321575
is there any explanation as to why every game that uses denuvo is poorly optimized
>>321323236
the jews
>>321319536
there hasnt been a pirate update for gta5 in like 6 months
>>321323185
>>321323236
It's copypasta.
>>321323487
so he's not a wrapper
>every time a new drm comes out
>lol pirates btfo
>always cracked as someone somewhere wants the fame of being first to crack it
same cycle every generation of consoles
only worth getting into the end of a generation so you can catch up on goty bundles
>>321323598
OHH
OHHHHH
>>321318785
I will never buy any game that uses Denuvo just like I'll never buy anything that uses secuROM or Tages.
>>321323650
Denuvo has been out for a year. Only two groups have been able to crack games with it, and one of them could only crack old versions of the software. One title went 9 months without anyone cracking it. Just Cause 3 has zero groups attempting to crack it.
Where are all the fame-hungry scene groups?
>>321318785
But
They've already cracked games that use Denuvo
Can moralfags please stop shilling this shit?
Did they ever cracked metal gear v?
>>321323879
Working on it.
Chaos Theory took an entire year before it got a working crack.
>>321324031
Yes.
>>321323898
And every time, Denuvo upgrades their version to patch out those vulnerabilities.
>>321324031
Barely. The prologue is unplayable and the crack will crash on many systems.
>>321323879
Not talking to you clearly because they're too busy working on that crack. They don't talk to the scene until it's near ready.
>>321324184
That's not true. 3DM always gives out news updates and streams their crack progress. They're silent on Just Cause 3.
>>321324156
>And every time, Denuvo upgrades their version to patch out those vulnerabilities
And every time, more will be made. And patching after the fact doesn't stop the people who already pirated it either.
I don't know why anti-piracy people have become so obnoxiously cocky and vocal lately.
No one cares; modern games are shit anyway.
>>321324156
>Barely. The prologue is unplayable and the crack will crash on many systems.
actually they cracked 1.5 and it works quite well now
>>321324415
That's because piratefags mock and insult buyfags all the time, even when buyfags are the ones keeping PC gaming alive.
>>321322119
And that their cracks actualy work and aren't filled with malware.
>>321321575
If this is true then why cracking teams like CPY, Razer1911, Skidrow have taken on denuvo? And I refuse to believe they were paid off by companies.
>>321324915
the jews
>>321324590
Uh, every time I've seen something about piracy it's always people against piracy throwing the first bricks. These countless threads about Denuvo and the attitudes behind them are pretty strong evidence against your claim, too.
>>321324590
The problem is with people preordering shitty games. Settling for buying games without demos or proof of whether the game is any good.
Those people are more detrimental to the industry than all the pirates combined.
>>321323185
Every group that wasn't 3DM just bastardized their work, in that every derivative for every pre-overhaul Denuvo game just emulated the Steam/Origin phone-home calls that confirmed the game was legit, and that has since been patched
>>321324915
They didn't take Denuvo on, they just cracked games that weren't DA:I which used Denuvo, as they used the same method 3DM exploited with DA:I, and there were a handful out there which remained uncracked, LotF being one of them, this applied to Arkham Knight and MGSV too, but ever since the most recent patches for them, the old way doesn't work, so you can only play the games using older patches, so you're kinda fucked if you wanted to pirate the as-good-as-it-gets version of AK
>>321324415
>haha buyfags what a bunch of loser amirite!? thanks for supporting the entire industry so that we can reap the benefits at no cost!
>"looks like you can't pirate stuff that uses this software"
>W-WHY ARE YOU BEING SO MEAN TO ME!?
>IT'S JUST
>NOT
>FAIR!!
>>321323236
Because why spend money optimizing a game when shills will just spam Steam saying "well it works for me :^)" With no piracy and no demos people are locked into paying for what might be absolute shit. All the money that would be spent on improving the game is then spent on advertising to make sure they get the most preorders and day one buyers before word of mouth travels and people go on the fence.
>>321325058
Clearly you haven't been on threads about new PC announcements, or PC gaming in general.
>>321325180
No. You insult everyone who dares to spend money, even if the game has a discount of 99.99%.
>"Should I buy this (already released game)?"
>good goy
>supporting the jews
>buying games
>not pirating
>not wanting the industry to crash
>being a buyfag cuckold
>I pirate the PC port and buy the console port; it's the correct thing to do.
And so on.
>>321323390
no one cares about gta anymore... only games like skyrim and fallout will get updates months after release, anything other is not worth doing as only fasnboys play xxx game after that time and they bought it by now...
I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE, FREEDOM, JUSTICE AND SECURITY TO MY NEW EMPIRE
>>321325532
>undertale
Your post is now irrelevant.
>>321325639
Incorrect. Padme should be the legit customer unable to run the game thanks to the draconian DLC. Obi Wan represents the legit customers who refuse to buy the game.
The younglings are the pirates.
>>321325557
I enjoyed Just Cause 2 it was an incredibly well made game and ran fantastically.
Even had a demo for me to test this.
I would love to play Just Cause 3 but all I have is hearsay and mixed opinions saying it doesnt work.
Unless they start making demos for games as standard I think this hobby will have run its course.
>>321323879
trust me it will be cracked.. it never is about IF its about WHEN.. also JC3 turned out to be shit so no one is in rush to crack it... also Denuvo is not that hard to crack its just soooo painful no one cares enough to do it... it takes like gazzylions tries to make it work and then you realize it works only on your PC and no other and scene ppl are got so lazy because steam was so easy to do...
>>321325557
>You
Also falling for low quality bait is just pathetic.
>>321325912
From my point of view the customers are evil!
Give it time.
Besides the industry knows normies will always, I repeat, ALWAYS buy games. Piracy is a non-threat, but they save face as to not insult customers.
They are too fucking stupid to work a torrent client and open a .txt with instructions on how to run a pirated game. Read some of the comments people leave behind on releases if you don't believe me.
Nothing to see here folks.
>>321325693
Devastating counterpoint my friend.
You must have taken one of those internet courses on "Convincing absolutely no one that you actually have an argument."
>>321326112
I don't think that's bait. Those faggots are serious.
>>321326352
Maybe, doesn't make it any less bait. It's usually unemployed manchildren that think they are so smart because they pirate.
Anyone can get a 5$ VPN and pirate all they want. Doesn't mean shit.
>>321323879
It's 2Hard. Manufacturers always have the advantage in time, secret knowledge and funding.
The thing is, if your game is crack, even if it's uncrackable people won't buy it.
Look at witcher 3. there's no DRM and people still bought it because it was quality. Unlick JC3
>>321326231
Reddit's the other way, friend.
>>321326648
CDPR said The Witcher 2 saw a huge amount of piracy despite being a quality game without any DRM. I imagine The Witcher 3 saw the same thing.
The notion that all you need to do is make a good game to get people to pay is bullshit. You'll get more paying customers, sure, but you'll also get more pirates as well.
>>321318785
Its ok, not like im buying it either way.
I simply stopped caring.
>>321327332
>get more paying customers
Isn't that what matters?
Daily reminder that an uncrackeable game isn't going to increase sales in a meaningful way.
If a game can't be pirated then pirates will ignore it, moving to the next game instead.
>>321327367
forgot your face
>>321327439
You get more paying customers from having effective DRM too.
Especially when you consider that the current situation on the PC is to expect only around 20%-30% of the people playing your game to have payed for it. And that's apparently an optimistic figure too.
>>321327332
>You'll get more paying customers, sure, but you'll also get more pirates as well.
So you get more revenue, fucktard. Who cares if some autist pirated it 10 times....
>>321327782
>on the PC is to expect only around 20%-30% of the people playing your game to have payed for it
>payed
Any source to backup you claims?
>>321327857
>DRM-protected game:
>15000 copies sold
>3000000 pirated copies
>DRMless game:
>14000 copies sold
>6000000 pirated copies
>>321327781
Nah this is my face.
I would upload a video if i wasn't such an ugly cunt.
>>321328117
>15000 copies sold
>14000 copies sold
>You'll get more paying customers
That doesn't fit
>>321324590
>even when buyfags are the ones keeping PC gaming alive.
by buying garbage ?
>>321327332
This so fucking much, tired of the "lost sales fallacy".
Game is good = sales and piracy are equal or sometimes in favor of piracy
Game is shit = less sales and more piracy
Pirates are faggots and would have not bought it anyways in each scenario.
>>321328117
Pulling stats out of your ass I see. First there is absolutely no way to track pirated copies. With a fuckton of torrent sites around.
Then there's the fact that you can't compare any 2 games to get accurate statistics.
>>321328117
More like
>DRM-protected game:
>15000 copies sold
>3000000 pirated copies
>DRMless game:
>15001 copies sold
>6000000000000 pirated copies
Who's ahead here?
>>321318785
The 13 foundations of vengance suggest i should find you, destroy you and your bloodline and revel in the slaughter.
So quit making these stupid threads.
>>321318785
until it's cracked by a bored college student
>>321327980
Ubisoft said they see around a 90% piracy rate. CDPR said at a time when they had only sold around 1 million copies of The Witcher 2 it had been pirated over 4.5 million times. I think it was the World of Goo developer who said that he saw a piracy rate of around 90%.
And the thing is, these sorts of figures are coming from the people who pirate the game and then are stupid enough to connect to the game's servers so they are probably under representative of the real figures.
>>321325534
>What are Steam refunds?
If you can't tell if you like a game in two hours, a demo won't help you.
>>321328630
>Ubisoft said they see around a 90% piracy rate
>Ubisoft said
That's not a source. Link to where they said this. Regardless, of course they're going to talk about how huge a problem piracy is; if they didn't have that as a scapegoat, they'd have to own up to making terrible games
>>321328630
I'm sure that this is literally the number of times a game has been downloaded. In no way does it mean that without piracy, 900% more people would have bought the game.
It's an unreliable metric. I'm anti-piracy but I hate anti-consumer tactics "justified" by these numbers nearly as much.
>>321328794
What if the game drops in quality and starts crashing right after the 2 hour mark?
>>321328630
>And the thing is, these sorts of figures are coming from the people who pirate the game and then are stupid enough to connect to the game's servers
What servers are there for Witcher 2? How fucking stupid are you?
>>321329043
Then, again, a demo wouldn't have helped you. The smart thing to do, as with any technology, is wait for other people to buy it at launch and wait to see how it performs. This isn't new.
>>321329215
A year has passed and new retards still keeps coming to Steam forums praising the game and claiming that all people that bashed the game for a straight year were wrong. It doesn't work like that. Customers are idiots and someone will always buy your crap no matter what. There are simply too many humans with money to waste.
http://wwwyoutube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI [Embed]
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.arsgus.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.arsars
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
http://amitay.us/blog/files/piracy_doubled_my_app_sales.php
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://www.ivir.nl/publicaties/poort/Filesharing_2012.pdf
https://torrentfreak.com/file-sharers-buy-more-movies-121018/
http://piracy.americanassembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Copy-Culture.pdf
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121114/07180721044/riaa-prefers-customers-who-buy-little-to-pirates-who-buy-lot.shtml
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Another-Study-Shows-Pirates-Buy-More-Content-124363
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/telecoms-research/online-copyright/deep-dive.pdf
>>321325639
From my point of view it's the consumers who are evil.>>321329215
What's new is paid reviews, not only on professional sites but astroturfer agents infesting forums and muddling word-of-mouth information.
>>321329038
"I wouldn't have bought it anyway" is not an excuse for piracy.
Publishers and devs aren't just concerned that they are lost sales, they are also concerned that people get to experience their game for free.
That's really what they are selling with these games, an experience. It's like a holiday or visiting a theme park or something. If there is a price tag on that and you don't pay it you have basically "stolen" the experience. Do not point out what the legal definition of theft is, I know already.
>>321323236
MGSV was extremely well optimized
>>321318785
Does this mean we can stop using the "piracy is killing video games" argument when shit games sell badly?
Now when a shit game sells badly, can we just say "it was shit" instead?
>>321329463
To be fair Lords of the Fallen isn't really a bad game. It's just too short (it had like three areas) unchallenging and has technical shortcomings (the framerate drops like crazy when you're on open places).
It definitely isn't $60 good. $15 would be fine.
>>321329978
Indeed. My PC is a bordeline toaster and the game runs fine.
>>321329716
>go over to friend's house
>play his game
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
>buy game second hand
>play game I legally bought
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
>watch game on youtube
>game is mostly cutscenes anyway
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
>download game illegally online
>play game
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
Why is only one of these wrong, then?
>>321328630
I'd pirate a Ubisoft game if it saved me having to deal with uplay.
>>321329532
tl'dr pirates BUY more media than non-pirates.
neo/v/ doesn't like pirates because they are a bunch of newfags who have no idea how to fileshare let alone build and maintain a computer or mod a console. and also 4chan in general is flooded with paid shills from various government agencies and corporations trying to persuade and influence your perception and ideas by spamming inane unsubstantiated and flippant threads and replies.
>>321330034
Lords of the Fallen is the definition of a mediocre and forgettable game. And I'm pretty sure it didn't sell well either, and since for the longest time you couldn't pirate it, pirates can't be blamed for poor sales.
>>321329716
Hahaha, what a retard. They care about revenue, nobody gives a shit about how much fun people have.
It's all about how much money they got and how much money they can get.
Just look at books, retard. Lending books is one of the most normal things. Author still doesn't get my money but people read his stuff for free.
>>321329532
That's a really fucking stupid graph.
Am I to believe that only 5%-10% of the people that don't download legally acquire their media? How are they getting the illegally gained 95% apart from filesharing?
And paying for some of your media does not earn you a free pass to pirate most of it and that is a really fucking moronic argument to make. Obeying the law does not entitle you to break it at a later stage, you obey the law all the time.
>>321330034
>$15 would be fine.
Maybe if it wouldn't use Denuvo and actually have dev support.
Whatever happened to Skidrow and Reloaded?
>>321330164
>paid shills from various government agencies
Oh yeah, the government is so, so, so afraid of a bunch of neckbeards leeching off social security programs.
>>321318785
>The age of piracy dies out right when i get to the point where I have disposable income to use on games
I'm okay with this.
>>321330293
>>321330124
Playing at a friends house, buying second hand, etc. are legal options. Piracy is not.
>Just look at books, retard. Lending books is one of the most normal things.
Do you have any idea how furious book publishers still are to this day about the existence of libraries?
Make no mistake, if publishers could they would make lending and second hand sales just as illegal as piracy.
>>321326110
>also JC3 turned out to be shit so no one is in rush to crack it
Kek
>>321330660
>are legal options
Why? If they hurt the developers and publishers the same, why aren't there laws being passed to crack down on it? Why is this allowed?
Games only need to last a few months before being cracked anyway. The majority that want the game will cave and just buy it. Only the stingy minority will wait months to years to play a game they wanted for free.
It's the same concept that makes timed exclusives a thing.
>>321330376
They're still around.
Skidrow barely releases anything anymore besides one-offs, Reloaded has been quiet as of late. Codex is the new hotness, HI2U is making small waves, FitGirl is starting to become accepted on private trackers, and the rest is GOG.
>>321330660
But they can't. And as illegal as piracy is it would never become extinct or wrong for that matter.
Libraries exist because they were made in a time where knowledge trumped money and people wanted everyone to know more.
Now all they want is money, hence why pirates are justified in doing whatever they want.
Not supporting good bands and publishers is indeed a douchebag move, but still justifiable.
>>321329716
"You wouldn't have bought it otherwise" is not an excuse for DRM.
Players aren't just concerned that they are paying for themselves to be digitally restricted, they are also concerned that these restrictions will be turned against them and stop them from experiencing the games they have purchased.
>>321330660
>libraries are a bad thing
>>321321575
This copy pasta was written by someone who has basic grasp of assembly but the wrap-unwarp is total garbage.
>>321330660
So it's not about the publisher getting their money? Glad you feel that way.
>>321330843
Because they are considered "reasonable".
Playing at a friend's place is not indefinite access and the friend paid for the game. Borrowing from a library is not indefinite access and the library paid for it. Piracy is just taking something not only you didn't pay for, nobody else did either, and keeping it forever.
>>321331275
>Piracy is just taking something not only you didn't pay for, nobody else did either
somebody had to buy it to make a pirated copy, mate
>>321329716
>libraries are an atrocity despised by every author
this is how retarded you sound
>>321331275
> nobody else did either
Yes, the files just came from thin air, retard.
Anyway, reading a book from a library is the same as what you'do if you bought it. You won't read the same book back to back 5 times in a row....
>>321331425
No they didn't.
Scene groups acquire their shit from sources at duplication factories and the like. That's how they have them before street date.
Piracy almost always originates from a good old straight theft.
>>321331275
Libraries lend cds, dvds, audiobooks and ebooks. All of which can be copied and accessed indefinitely.
>nobody else did either
someone bought the game and uploaded/cracked and uploaded it. Just like someone bought the book, cd or dvd and gave it to the library.
>>321330412
>government has to be afraid of the public to want to control the way people think about things
>thinking 4chan is niche and not mainstream
>>321331275
How about getting it from a friend after he's done with it? He's already experienced it, and now I can too, with 100% access. If it's about me experiencing it without paying, why is this okay?
>>321331948
>Libraries lend cds, dvds, audiobooks and ebooks. All of which can be copied and accessed indefinitely.
Yes, they lend for a limited time. You are not supposed to make a copy and retain access indefinitely and while you have access someone else is supposed to be deprived of it. This was the compromise that was arranged with publishers so they can still exist.
Why are all you people comparing piracy to libraries? It's not even close to equivalent. Libraries do not just take books in violation of the law and make millions upon millions of copies to just give away.
>>321332284
Because libraries are inherently wrong. They allow people to experience without paying. This hurts publishers and developers the same way piracy does
>>321325693
>stop liking what I dont like
kill yourself slowly
>>321318785
>3dm
>comparing it to a scene group
>>321332284
Because:
>That's really what they are selling with these games, an experience. ... If there is a price tag on that and you don't pay it you have basically "stolen" the experience.
>and you don't pay it you have basically "stolen" the experience.
>>321332284
>This was the compromise that was arranged with publishers so they can still exist
So if publishers all said "no," libraries would be illegal? Why do publishers get such a say there?
>>321332574
Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously. Piracy does. And the purpose of a library is slightly difference. It's mission is to provide equal access to information for all society.
It was considered "unfair" that books and the information contained within was a privilege only the wealthy could afford so libraries came into existence for the betterment of all society. Video games are not considered as important to society and so the government has not elected to pay for the public to have free access to them.
Take it up with your government if you think that is a mistake. For what it's worth, there are organizations like the EFF who are taking up that cause but I doubt you have any interest in helping them.
>>321333296
>Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously
>what is an online library
>what is Project Gutenberg
>what are ebooks
>who was phone
>>321333296
>Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously
Literally so what
See >>321333001
There's an experience being experienced and people aren't paying. This is wrong, by your own definition.
>but I doubt you have any interest in helping them
I am actually a free software advocate and regularly donate to the EFF. Why do you assume I don't?
>>321333613
>I am actually a free software advocate and regularly donate to the EFF
So in other words you do practically nothing.
This thread is hilarious.
People are actually upset that they can't steal things.
>>321329532
>http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
This study that all other sources are based on is misinterpret. Go ahead and read it with thought, its making different claim than what people citing it think it makes.
>>321334093
>People are upset they can't steal things.
Even tho piracy ain't really stealing I doubt any pirate actually cares about your bitching about them pirating.
>>321318785
At what cost though? Denuvo is one of the most intrusive DRMs imaginable.
The only way it could be worse if it included a dildo you had to fuck yourself with in order to play.
>>321334093
They all can, they are just arguing about it.
>>321334093
What's even more hilarious is the thought that you guys have spent 20 years assmad about people stealing things.
>>321318785
Thank you based Denuvo from preventing Just Cause 3 from having any kind of mod besides character swaps.
>>321334093
>supporting pirates
>supporting Sony installing intrusive performance decreasing malware onto your computer
Tough choice
>>321334023
Great argument there, now we don't even have to continue talking bringing up how libraries are harmful.
Thing is, why would I want no pirates in probably the industry that deserves more to die?
>>321334296
They do.
Otherwise the whole
>I pirate first then buy if I like it
>I won't support devs I don't like
>It's not stealing it's a copy!
Bullshit wouldn't happen.
>>321324590
Thank you for keeping the industry that gives us cut games for DLC, unfinished games, absolutely broken ports and that gives shitty people a job alive, you are the best.
>>321334601
Just because they refute your wrong claims about piracy being equal to stealing I doubt they care that they pirate.
>>321334601
But you are the ones assmad enough to start these threads.
You are so desperate that a year ago you were acting like pieces of shit like Shills of the Fallen or Dragon Age Cisquisition were good just because they used this DRM.
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME TO PAY THE ALIMONY
I AIN'T THE DARKEST GUY IN MY BED
I WAS LOOKING IN DESPAIR WITH MY FINGERS IN MY HAIR
AT MY WIFE AND HER BUCK FROM MY KEK SHED
WELL
THE BILLS START COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING
STATEMENTS OVERDRAWN, CANNOT BE FORGIVEN
DIDN'T MAKE SENSE NOT TO GO INSANE
FUCKED MY SHIT UP NOW I'M IN EXTREME PAIN
TOO MUCH TO PAY
TOO MUCH IN DEBT
SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH FLEEING TO CUBA
YOU'LL FOREVER KNOW IF YOU GET HITCHED
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>>321334356
>Denuvo is one of the most intrusive DRMs imaginable
I've seen this claim everywhere, without facts supporting it. To be fair I only played two Denuvo-protected games (TPP and Lodf). Of the two of them TPP ran fine while lodf had some slowdown.
>>321323879
scene group are not allowed to release anything but a complete crack. those are their rules.
>>321334694
>>321334572
>>321328326
You guys are strange. Why do you want videogames to stop existing?
>>321334965
I can't use mods with any Denuvo game, for example.
No tinkering with the launcher = no script extenders = goodbye to the vast majority of mods.
What you will have at most, is what MGSV has: model swaps and ENB filters.
Why should I suffer from this?
>>321335164
'Cuz modding is stealing content from the developers (as they could be selling it).
>>321335131
>video games require an industry
>>321335131
Because the industry crash of the 80's took out a lot of cancerous companies out of the game, and we had a 20 year-long golden age of videogames.
The industry has to crash again, and take out pieces of shit like Ubisoft, EA, Activision and a vast amount of studios, mainly 90% of indie ones who just produce shovelware, and let everything start anew.
It's a pathetic sight to see what has happened to this industry in the last 10 years.
So no, I have zero respect for the comformist fucks who support the industry in it's current state.
>>321335353
Not my problem.
Why should talentless hacks make THEIR problem MY problem?
I bought the game, fuck off with the rest of your bullshit and be glad I didn't buy a CD Key.
>>321335409
>>321335509
/thread
>>321335353
>modding is stealing content from the developers
Bethesda's whole business plan is based on modders fixing their game and creating free content.
>>321335353
Dude, Fallout games on PC sell solely because of mods, no one would like them vanilla considering the incredibly shitty gameplay 3 and NV have, and the shallow piece of shit that 4 is.
>>321335509
>Why should talentless hacks make THEIR problem MY problem?
How else will anon worship its corporate overlords? Something something something free market something something.
>>321335680
Right until they tried to implement paid mods eh?
>>321335892
>Right until they tried to implement paid mods eh?
Funny because it was Bethesda the one who pushed for that.
>>321325532
The state of the that the gaming industry is in isn't worth supporting. I've only bought two games this entire year.
>>321335409
Eh. What a naive viewpoint.
The 2010's are very different times to the 80's. During the 80's videogames were seen as toys for children and an overall rarity; today videogames are so ingrained into society that they became mass consumed media just like TV so a crash is impossible.
By not supporting the very few decent developers you're dooming them to adopting the practices you loathe so much, or even worse, going mobile.
>>321335979
>literally ''IT'S 2015''
Jesus fucking christ.
>By not supporting the very few decent developers you're dooming them to adopting the practices you loathe so much, or even worse, going mobile.
Thank god I bought The Witcher 3, which funny enough, has no DRM, and has sold more than all Denuvo games combined.
post your face when even if piracy on PC becomes impossible that still doesn't rule out consoles
>>321334601
Oldfag here, I've probably been pirating since before you were born. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of pirating. I've been pirating virtually all of my life and will continue to do so. I've also spent and will continue to spend more on video games than you ever will. No excuses are necessary; I pirate because at the moment I don't want to pay. If I feel like paying later, I do, if not, I don't. There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. All DRM gets cracked.
>>321336083
>mfw the kernel exploit of the PS4 is the real deal
>mfw they already dumped the RAM
>mfw PS4 piracy is inminent
http://wololo.net/2015/12/13/ps4-jailbreak-possible-cturt-confirms-ram-dump/
http://wololo.net/2015/12/24/ps4-filesystem-root-dump-teased-by-playstationhax/
>>321336083
I think console piracy is going to die too.
>>321336251
Totally the opposite.
Here, have the filesystem root of the PS4.
>>321334565
You donate a bit to charity and then claim it all back so you are actually out of pocket a $0.
What a fucking sacrifice. That is one step above running a hashtag campaign.
>>321335892
>Right until they tried to implement paid mods eh?
Yes, right until Bethesda started asking for money for content they did not create. Also the developers of said content did not charge for it, so Bethesda can't claim unjust enrichment.
TL:DR - Bethesda tried to scam everyone for more money and people weren't happy and you are a moron.
>>321336243
Pretty excited, I wasn't going to pick up a ps4 until a couple of years later when it had plenty of cheap games but now I'll just pick one up in a couple of months
>>321336251
In truth neither will :)
>>321336354
>grub
>GPL'd software
Does this mean Sony is infringing on copyrights?
Everyone says PC is nothing but piracy, when console gaming is as bad. Why do you think the PS1 was so successful everywhere?
>>321336354
Sorry man but I'm not going to believe it until I can find modded PS4 on my third world country's seedy console stores.
>>321336707
The source is at the links in here.
>>321336243
The exploit is apparently even in the latest firmware and it's in the PS4's web browser.
Funny enough, the PS Vita had the same exact exploit.
>>321336707
>third world country
aren't you fucks already using some exploit to share games?
>>321336378
As long as it helps them, I don't care that I don't become bankrupt to do it.
>>321336707
>Everyone says PC is nothing but piracy, when console gaming is as bad. Why do you think the PS1 was so successful everywhere?
Perhaps because it was cheaper, was more powerful and out earlier than its competition.
>>321336834
Not yet. That's why no one wants to buy/sell the PS4One
>>321336875
>more powerful
The Nintendo 64 was the most powerful of the two.
>>321336243
Fuck, that really came out of nowhere.
Fucking hackers man, hope they can blow open the Vita too and make it finally useful.
>>321337015
>two
Saturn? who?
PS1 was more powerful than the saturn and the N64 came out nearly two years later.
>>321336679
I don't think it works that way. Just because GRUB is on the machine doesn't mean ever single piece of software on the machine is now covered by GPL.
I've honestly been a pirate since SNES days, kind of catching up to me though and I'm starting to actually buy games nowadays. Mostly because I picked up a ps3 to play some missed exclusives and I'm too lazy to install an ODE since it cant be jailbroken.
But I have no beef with people that choose to continue pirating, so why do other people do? What does it matter to you? I know from personal experience that 90% of the shit I pirated I wouldn't have bought either way because it would round up to supercar money.
So yeah, what's the big deal?
>>321337215
Grub still is, and they aren't passing along the source or the license for it, which they are legally required to do. It doesn't matter if it doesn't link to anything else, it still is itself GPL'd
Denuvo is great because those faggots who have money to spare but pirate anyway get btfo. Makes me laugh everytime they post about having to buy a game.
Sucks for those that live in countries that get ripped of though but what does it really matter. The game is probably shit and you weren't ganna buy it anyway.
I have money, but I always buy CD Keys from some poor polish kid to ensure devs get as little money from me as possible.
Not a single dev nowadays deserves money.
Never EVER
>>321337520
Or instead of resorting to denuvo that will just get cracked anyway publishers could invest the money into making a good game
Apparently good games sell well
>>321329716
>"I wouldn't have bought it anyway" is not an excuse for piracy.
Every single time someone like you comes along and says that.
I and every single person i know that play games does not spent money on them. If a game is not piratable we just don't play it. We move to something else.
Why is that so hard to understand ?
>>321337759
>Apparently good games sell well
This is the first i'm hearing of it.
>>321337831
This is what non-pirates don't understand
When I can pirate on my PC, 360, PS3 and partially on my Wii U (add PS4 soon yo), there's so much fucking shit on the table it really couldn't matter less if Just Cause 3 got a delayed crack or whatever.
>>321338001
What?
>>321338116
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>>321337759
But they're not focus grouped and market tested to hell and back, and then have the difficulty toned down such that an epileptic 3 year old can beat the game on its hardest setting!
How could anyone make money on that?
Especially when we absolutely have to spend a small nations GDP rendering every eyelash on the head dev's waifu's model.
And then spend 8 times that on the marketing blitz so every college stoner will want to buy it to fill that aching hollow void where a sense of accomplishment would be if our society wasn't structured to belittle and diminish any chances at success a person has?
>>321318785
>shills on damage control
yes, try harder faggot.
>>321336707
>Everyone says PC is nothing but piracy
The Dreamcast had literally zero copy protection and it died a horrible death.
Honestly, I wouldn't stop cracking games if I had the knowledge to do it.
Looks like a fun and challenging activity to do. Basically every time they crack a game they are laying two games, one being the game itself and two being the process of cracking said game.
Remember when Denuvo shills pretended Lords of the Fallen wasn't a piece of broken shit?
>>321318785
They gave up because no relevant games are using it.
If relevant games use it, there will be a demand again and it will be cracked.
>>321335164
Aren't script extenders just .dll files that hook into and inject stuff into the game executable during runtime?
>>321338280
I dunno but w3 had literally no DRM and it did well for itself
>>321338378
That's what the scene group is, or used to be, all about actually. Fun, competition etc
>>321338493
I remember when they pretended it wasn't cracked, SCENE CRACKED nonetheless lol.
>>321338493
It was amusing watching the release stream the devs did - primarily because the game crashed a few times.
Funny how Denuvo games began to get cracked so much they had to take off the ''DAYS WITHOUT CRACK'' counter off their site, and even then, they completely ignored the DA:I crack.
>>321338493
They still do.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/265300/discussions/0/487877107136899606/
>>321338338
Except that it did (gd-rom) and was uncracked for a good while. The reason it died was mostly because it released inbetween 2 generations and only had niche games.
It was pretty much a wiiu.
>>321338727
>mfw all those ''Denuvo isn't a DRM, it's an Anti-Tamper System™'' posts
>>321337831
Because morons like the anon you're responding to think piracy is a zero-sum deal where we absolutely have to play the newest games and won't hesitate to shell out full price for an 'uncrackable' game. Those of his ilk will never understand what piracy is because they don't do it.
>>321339039
There was a guy here that kept claiming that for like 4 hours straight, it was funny just baiting him by claiming ''its drm, bro'' every half an hour or so
Maybe he was just trolling, but I was putting way less effort into my replies so I trolled him better :^)
>>321334486
>the industry is a bunch of mustache twirling bad guys so that gives me the right to steal!!
>>321338493
What I remember is when shills said a thousand times Denuvo didn't hit the performance. Then the game got cracked and it proved that Denuvo indeed had a negative effect in the performance leading the shills to a Defcon1 damage control situation until people forgot the game existed (which was like a week after the crack released).
>>321339039
Technically they are right. They stop people from cracking the actual DRM iirc
>>321339289
>and it proved that Denuvo indeed had a negative effect in the performance
It didn't.
>>321339362
which is....
>>321339289
Funny enough, Denuvo threads dissappeared after DA:I's crack, and only came back now.
I wonder what happened in-between.
Also kinda funny how the ''uncrackable'' DRM still hasn't managed to achieve the same amount of time without getting crack as Tom Clancy's HAWX 2 did.
>>321339289
There's some denuvo games that run alright though
Was it confirmed that AK ran like shit because of denuvo? Or at least partially because of it? Because from what I read Just Cause 3 has similar issues to AK so it might just be denuvo after all
>>321339039
The idea of anti-tampering systems is even worse than openly saying it's "ani piracy drm".
You straight up kill modding with denuvo.
>>321328630
You and anyone who believe this are as dumb as ubisoft think you are.
It's not hard to look at the tracker numbers of the most widespread torrent of a new game and see hard numbers of how many people are connected. Though that probably is too hard for anyone who holds your point of view.
>>321338727
>I was already way over 70+ hours into Mad Max, without knowing about it using Denuvo at the time of purchase. I'd lie if I said I wasn't slightly annoyed, upset because it was never mentioned on the store page. But I let it go
This shit right here is why video games are dying. Devs will always be greedy kikes, but stupid consumers are the true cancer.
>>321339443
>Tom Clancy's HAWX 2 did.
That's because no one cared about HAWX2, like, quite fucking literally, no one. In fact the first crack was done by some random guy who just decided to help out IIRC
A real test of fortitude is Chaos Theory, GREAT game, last a long time.
>>321339529
I'm baffled at the idea of someone playing more than 20 hours that shallow and generic Ubisoft-esque piece of shit.
I paid $10 for a Mad Max CD Key and I still feel scammed.
Not going to support a DRM that doesn't allow modding.
Last thing you can do with DRMs is avoid bothering me, so no, go fuck yourself.
>>321339645
The grinding is annoying as fuck but its a decent enough game if you are a fan of mad max and an auto enthusiast
Its also super fucking quotable, and the biggest slap into SJW faces of this year, even bigger than MGSV and W3
>>321335963
>the state of the industry isn't worth supporting
Then I hope you haven't played to completion any games you pirated. If you just played it for an hour or something and decided you didn't like it then that's more forgivable.
>>321339257
Yup, better give Snidely Whiplash your money for increasingly inferior products. Regardless of their quality or intrusiveness keep supporting them with your wallet!
>>321339372
>It didn't.
It did hit performance and it was shown to be able to fuck up SSDs in a matter of hours because of the constant decrypt and encrypt shit in the disk. It literally takes 2 seconds to look for this kind of information in google.
>>321340049
>constant decrypt and encrypt shit in the disk
Was this why arkham knight ran like shit from an HDD? Literally hit 0 fps for me
>>321336207
You are a disgusting piece of shit and you don't deserve to play video games.
I will vote for Hillary or whoever will establish the harshest controls on the Internet possible, total and complete surveillance, so fucks like you can rot in prison where you belong.
>>321319536
The exact same argument made for LotF
Man, shitposting is funny when you know it's shitposting
>>321339852
There's a lot of problems.
>for some reason, the map makes the world seem bigger than it actually is
>building up HQ's is tedious as fuck
>you are forced to improve the car, or you are locked out of advancing, thus you have to grind the shit out of everything
>after destroying convoys, the only thing you'll find around the world are just one or two cars
>most of the car combat becomes piss easy considering you can just rip out the wheels of the cars
>mindfield quests completely break the flow of the game
>storms are supposed to be moments where you get a grinding boost
>though if you get out of the car to break the crates, you'll most likely get killed by the debris, so you can only pick one crate
>all the boss fights were literally the same
>overused combat system
>>321340186
>I'll vote for this clueless cow instead of the man that will guarantee good relations with russia because I'm butthurt people got something for free
Fuck sake mate, get back to reality
>>321340186
Why would President Trump allow Hillary to do anything?
>>321339457
>>321340140
LotF definitely had a performance hit. And DA:I as well because I recall Bioware saying so themselves and then trying to justify using Denuvo. Not really sure about AK but considering how much flak the game's performance got I wouldn't be surprised if the game suffered the exact same problem.
>>321333542
Grey Dragon Dildo.
>>321340186
And when it's an opinion you hold dear that the establishment doesn't want people holding?
>>321339932
No one cares if you don't support the industry. But if you use their products, you're admitting that they do something worth supporting.
If the industry is so shit, it should be easy for you to just stop pirating games, right? After all, by your own admission, you're only pirating shit, and why would you want that?
>>321340249
All of that is just grinding shit I mentioned in my post except for the storm part. I never had any problems getting out of the car
>>321340389
Totally worth it.
>>321340347
It probably does because when I tried to play AK, during the first car chase scene my HDD usage went to 120% and even shadowplay broke.
Never experienced something quite like it, but I can say for certain people that support denuvo are straight idiots
No pirate = no buy.
>>321340049
great so youll be able to find a citation in 5 seconds, no problem. everytime i look its "well i heard from someone..."
>>321318785
>implying piracy will ever be dead
There will always be someone to take their place.
Cut off a head and two will grow in its place.
seems to me like its a device to kill modding masquerading as drm. we can't have people making their own fun unless its official paid dlc.
>>321340591
>I can't steal your product? Then I won't buy it either!
Pitatefags are the most delusional, entitled people I've ever met.
steam refunds also made crackers slow down
>>321340186
i hope this is a troll post because if not you are the most flustered person in 4chan history lmao
>>321340652
yep... cant stop that shit. publishers have been trying for decades
>>321340704
imo if a game cant be pirated its either always online (aka shit), so shit nobody bothered cracking it or on a console that isn't jailbroken yet (but will be soon, delicious ps4 exclusives for free yum yum bb)
no need to git mad tho
>>321338493
The shills got me very interested in the game, but since there wasn't a demo, i didn't get it
I pirated a couple of weeks ago, and now it is clear why they didn't want people doing that. The game is fucking shit.
>>321340791
that and origin has a 24hour refund policy with no questions asked
>>321340704
Whatev loser, at the end of the day WE hold all video game companies' future by the balls... Pirate have the true power....... You're nothing more than sheeple....
>>321340882
>origin has a 24hour refund policy with no questions asked
But I can buy and finish most of their games in that timespan
Are they that desperate for people to use origin more?
>>321318785
Let's imagine Denuvo existed years ago and Dark Souls had it
>Durante never creates DSFix because Denuvo doesn't let him
>No one buys Dark Souls on PC once they find out it's an unbelievably shit port with no fix
>With almost no sales whatsoever on PC, the platform is abandoned by From Software
>Skip ahead to Dark Souls 2 and SotFS
>No PC version because bad sales
According to several sources, well over 40% of sales for the Dark Souls series come from PC
>By this time From Software has lost out on 40% of the money they could have made
>Souls is deemed not very profitable
>Dark Souls 3 is never made
>Maybe Bloodborne too
This is what Denuvo does
>>321341014
but fromdrones would actually be glad if that happened
>>321341001
Yes
>>321340791
Why would those two things be connected?
>>321341001
They are. They also have very good customer service. They are trying to outdo steam in the handful of departments where it lacks because the core services are mediocre in comparison and they really want more sales.
I have to wonder if they are making more money by having their own platform and not having to give Valve a cut, or making less money because nobody wants to buy games on origin
>>321341202
>Why would those two things be connected?
People often pirate to try out a game, believe it or not. When they can just refund the real thing, no reason to pirate.
Of course that doesn't mean there isn't a demand for free video games or anything. Just less than before.
If anything all it has done is filter out the pretender groups who have no clue what they're doing.
>Not getting a Ph.D. in computer science and cybersecurity so you can become a God among pirates
>>321341014
That would have been fine, the only good game is Demon's Souls.
>>321341302
Pirate groups only do it to dickwave mate, it isn't about demand really, in fact plenty of scene groups have called pirates horrible people and so on
>>321341474
This. Cant wait for real skidrow/r1911 and reloaded, fairlight, deviance etc to come back in force
>>321341682
I played DeS to completion and DaS until moonlight butterfly and I already think DaS is better.
>>321340650
http://wccftech.com/batman-arkham-knight-denuvo-drm-culprit-performance-issues-pc/
Last part of that article talks about it, used this one because it talks about AK >>321340535 since this anon was wondering.
http://www.gulli.com/news/25172-denuvo-kopierschutz-zerstoert-geruechteweise-ssd-laufwerke-2014-11-21
And this one specifcally talks about the SSD problems.
>inb4 you are not okay with the links provided
If you were expecting a official statement from Denuvo developers saying that they fucked up big time you are out of your mind, so stop wasting my time and yours.
Well I wouldn't mind Denuvo if it means that a conclusion can finally be drawn about piracy.
>>321340186
I am >>321336207
and I am screencapping this post for its glorious butthurt. Thanks anon!My vote for Trump cancels yours ;>)
>>321341849
Hah I knew it, no matter HOW fucking unoptimized a game is it should not reach 0 FPS on a 980.
They could have released the game trouble free but they preferred denuvo way, publishers are fucking retarded
>>321341849
well, the first article you posted ends with them saying reddit users have proven it to not do anything, and to wait for an official statement. its a big we dont know.
and the second one just repeats the same thing, the copy pasted phrase you find on all of them. "has been known", but dosent actually say how, who and where.
honestly? i believe its not possible to have anti-tamper that has NO effect on performance what so ever, i just find it curious that weve been arguing about this topic for, oh, years now...and no one has ever actually...posted evidence.
why hasnt anyone ever just, run the game with something that tracks performance in all this time? why is it always just, someone said so?
>>321333542
>who was phone
Kek'd, we never knew
>>321333542
pink playstation 3
>>321333542
...none of those make sense. you pay for ebooks, its actually illegal to share them, gutenburg collects books that are public domain.
>>321339362
>Technically they are right
No they are not. They are spilting hairs to avoid getting negative pr from the term DRM.
>>321342987
thats sorta what splitting hairs means. its technically right, but its implications are wrong.
>>321323236
A PC is only as fast as its slowest component. In most setups, the HDD has no impact on the rest of the hardware, but on games that constantly data stream AND use Denuvo, this pushes the HDD harder than it should. For example, Arkham Knight. It runs "fine" when you aren't flying or speeding around, because the data pulling system is so poorly optimized (thanks Unreal!) and has Denuvo slapped on top. If the HDD wasn't a bottleneck, then the performance you get in the benchmarking mode would be what the game would be getting.
>>321333542
Black wine glass
>>321333542
>Black Controller
>>321340393
>using something = inherent value
99%+ of games are trash I have no interest in whatsoever. They are not worth supporting and are shit. When I do pirate them, I do so purely out of spite and seed them for others to download. Should a decent game come out but with horrible DRM I have no incentive to pay for it - the pirated version will run smoother, use less resources and be a better experience than the paid.
In the end I want and try to play good quality games, and will even buy ones that meet those criteria, but fewer and fewer do each year. Rewarding devs and publishers for pumping out mediocre shit is pointless.
>>321323879
Before anyone goes on about a crack, here's the obstacle they face:
Denuvo generates an encryption key on installation based on the hardware installed on the computer. The potential amount of variables involved in this makes it almost impossible to brute force, and no known rainbow tables exist for it yet. Denuvo CAN be cracked, but they'll need to either circumvent the original encryption or find a backdoor in the encryption. The first is more likely.
It can be done. Just a matter of time.
>>321342972
Follow the thread. Anon was claiming the experience is what you pay for and you are stealing from devs if you enjoy the experience without paying for it. Gutenberg is guilty under these terms - all of the books available on it are also currently in print. Libraries offer ebooks, welcome to the 21st century. Perhaps you should visit one sometime.
The Black Wall
>>321344006
Does this mean if you kick a football (a real one, not handegg) around with some mates you are stealing entertainment from the likes of FIFA?
>>321344006
they are currently in print because they are public domain. your not stealing it because nobody owns it.
and ebooks...you...you pay for them. just because you found a place you can steal them from dosent change the fact its...theft...unless its public domain, which means, well, we went over that already.
>>321343590
Just spitballing but theres no way to "emulate" a fixed set of hardware and feed that to Denuvo so that the key is exactly the same for everyone, and only has to be cracked once?
>>321343264
AK and Blops3 are proof that you will need an SSD and 16gb+ of RAM to max out games on PC in the VERY near future
I was going to upgrade my 980 for a pascal next year but I'm not even going to bother, between gameworks and denuvo it will not be worth it, gonna get a wii u instead and play old nintendo games, my ps3 still keeps me busy too
>>321344131
Not yet but you can bet your arse soon enough
>>321344295
>...
Woah buddy calm down with those ellipses you might...
>>321344323
>AK and Blops3 are proof that you will need an SSD and 16gb+ of RAM to match consoles in the VERY near future
ftfy
>>321344489
get presented with an actual valid argument? i wish.........
>>321328418
The DRM free game. Pirates don't do any damage. And you got 1 extra copy sold.
>>321344295
Again libraries offer ebooks with return dates. Read the thread.
>>321344503
Not really considering games are starting to run worse and worse on consoles as well
But I should have elaborated on my initial point, the idea is that you invest in a PC to get the perfect experience but all these nasty publishers and nvidia have to fuck it up for you, so I wont bother anymore.
>>321344308
I really understated exactly what Denuvo does. The problem is that it reads part models utilizing a bios utility -something that is very difficult to spoof on one machine, and almost impossible for a singular "crack." It's A very roundabout way of circumventing the encryption, especially when the only encryption is on the executable and critical files only.
>>321318785
>Denuvo
-1/10
Would not pirate.
I don't need DRM that shortens my hard drives lifespan by 50%.
>>321333542
>Blue Blue Yeti
>>321344576
...................................................
>>321344960
>mfw trying to run AK on my 6 year old WD
I could feel its pain
>>321327332
Anon a lot of people pirate to try and then buy
>>321343590
>an encryption key on installation based on the hardware installed on the computer
I'm no expert so I have to ask: how does that even work? They surely can't have different ciphertext for every possible computer installation?
>>321344783
uh...okay, lets go over this then. heres what was said
>>321333296
>Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously.
this guy replied
>>321333542
>Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously
>what is an online library
>what is Project Gutenberg
>what are ebooks
to which i pointed out that gutenberg is public domain, and irrelevant in regards to theft ( cant steal what isnt owned ), and that ebooks are either paid for, or has a return date, which means its not indefinite access to everyone.
and then you agreed with me, by pointing out that yes, ebooks do have return dates? who do you think your arguing agaisnt. or about?
>>321345389
everything has a "date modified". unless everyone built their computer the exact same millisecond...
>>321327332
>pirate game
>try it out
>it's good
>buy it
>there is 1 pirate and 1 customer despite there being only 1 person
See why it doesn't work the way you want it to work? Pirate and customer aren't mutually exclusive.
>pirate, don't like it, delete
>pirate, like it, buy it
>pirate, like it, don't buy it
3 realistically possible cases. All 3 have pirates, but only one has a potential revenue loss.
>>321345582
You stupid nigger, read the fucking thread.
>>321333296
is a reply to
>>321332574
> libraries are inherently wrong. They allow people to experience without paying. This hurts publishers and developers the same way piracy does
Fucking daft cunt. Read the whole thread before replying, not just the posts that catch your eye faggot
>>321344828
I suspect that the consoles have already hit their limit. You won't find another PS4 game that looks better than Bloodborne, and that game was very obviously pushing the system to its limits. Even Cawascooby has insane FPS drops on consoles now.
>>321337289
This nigga gets it
>>321344503
>It's takes specs that are mutiple times horsepower of console, to match consoles don't run the same software as PCs.
>AK and Blops3 are proof
No. Unity, JC3, AK, Blop3 are bloatware games that forces powerful PCs to use more power then it's actually required.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat
No you do not or will have any regular use for 16gb rams or SSD in a near future.
>>321345910
I remember when call of duty was a paragon of optimization
>>321346350
They just ran at a small res (around 600p vs the usual 720p) and had small, enclosed maps. Having a large map can impact performance significantly. CoD (and many console 60FPS games for that matter) use a combination of the two. Platinum games are notorious for being "boxed off" from everything else.
>>321345854
you mean like, you did to my post? you decided to talk about a subject that wasnt mentioned in my post
>>321342972 , and reiterated to me a point i had already made, ironically stating "read the thread" at the same time. which you didnt.
look, i know your upset that ive called you out on it, but your being a dick, so im gonna do it. your topic change deflection from the fact you completely misunderstood my posts isnt going to fly here.
>>321345582
Perhaps I should just read into it myself. I assumed Denuvo was something like CSS, but if the encryption key is derived from your hardware then the ciphertext somehow had to be derived from your hardware too. I presume they don't just transmit the plaintext to the user and let your computer do it or else the games would have been cracked already, so the encrypting must be done remotely or something.I'm sure I'm showing off how little I know about encryption.
>>321333542
Black gamma-scout
I tried pirating MGSV but the game was crashing all the fucking time so I had to buy it, a shame really, I didn't want to supporrt Konami in any way but they were forcing my hand.
>>321346940
well apparently you know a lot more then me. was just simply answering how the same hardware set ups could give different keys. every piece of information available can be used and this makes a billion trillion possible combinations. just think about adding harddrives into the equation. literally every drive is sent out with bad sectors and therefor literally everyone has a different total sized hard drive even if they do manage to install it both at the same time.
>>321347105
>I didn't want to supporrt Konami in any way but they were forcing my hand.
They aren't. And you should kill yourself.
Everyone supporting Konami should kill themselves.
>>321347105
Buy second hand
>>321347679
I bought an nvidia code, did I do good?
who cares 3dm is shit anyway
CPY is much better
>>321347887
>scene is better than non-scene
well whoop-de-doo who woulda thought?
3DM is known for being shaddy as fuck, after all they're a chinese group, I wouldn't download a crack from them either way.
>>321348427
To their defense, often you actually get screwed by the person re-uploading the torrent
Generally if you're going to use public trackers its advisable to wait until other people download it and read the feedback
Many 3DM releases have made it to respectable private trackers however, trackers where only clean shit gets uploaded. Regardless of this any non-scene group is inherently shady, but that doesn't mean you cant do fine by using their cracks
>>321333542
Red Ferrero Rocher
>>321349016
Well most of their cracks don't even work properly, their MGSV crack is still unstable and they didn't bother to update it further, and when you're going for non denuvo games there are plenty of other cracks so you'll never have to rely on them.
>>321333542
Silver Xbox Controller
>>321349273
Well yeah quality is not too be expected from a non scene group that made itself known by parroting the skidrow name, but point stilll stands, most of their shit is clean. For now anyway.
>>321318785
Reminder that you losers will complain about denuvo and still buy another game of developers using it.
>>321333542
Red... wall?
>>321349674
I don't think people who buy games have anything to say about Denuvo really, that comment makes no sense.
>>321333542
>Gray Spider Knife
I never should have stolen this piece of shit from campus
>>321349942
>people who buy games have anything to say about Denuvo
Negro. Don't buy games from developers who support double DRM. How hard can it fucking be?
>>321333542
Black TP
>>321333542
>green shirt
>table lamp
Green Lantern? I'll take my power ring.
>>321350171
But if I buy games why should I be concerned about DRM? I play Denuvo games and it literally doesn't affect me, there's no activation window, there's no internet access required and contrary to popular belief it doesn't affect the performance of the game at all. I didn't even know MGSV used Denuvo until 70 hours in when I stopped playing to check on /v/.
>>321350409
>I play Denuvo games and it literally doesn't affect me
You are supporting immoral practices and development of hostile DRM.
Think of the Children. Your fat ass will die in 20 years and everyone else will still live in a world run by corporate DRM.
>>321350409
>it doesn't affect the performance of the game at all
Bullshit.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/265300/discussions/0/613941122641243415/
>>321350678
Most likely a case of LotF being badly optimized and having nothing to do with Denuvo itself. Meanwhile we have games like MGSV, Mad Max, Battlefield Hardline and Dragon Age 3 that don't have many reported issues in relation to performance.
>b-but Batman Arkham Knight does
Which is clearly a problem with the game itself not Denuvo.
>>321350678
>ALL those people defending denuvo and attacking the guy for bringing up a valid point
kek lmao
>>321350916
For you>>321341849
Just because it works well in MGSV doesn't mean it hasn't been linked to HDD failure and performance fuckary, also it stops modding.
Now stop defending denuvo, it wont save you from the pirate boogeyman and will only make YOUR experience worse
>>321350916
B-but Batman Arkham Knight does
Read the fucking thread. I was in the Dev stream when they said that Denuvo causes 1-5% overhead.
>>321351140
>it hasn't been linked to HDD failure and performance fuckary,
actually we went over this already earlier. no ones actually posted a source that isnt "someone told me".
ill also point out in that post, i pointed out i dont think its possible its NOT having a performance hit, so i agree. its just...theres no citation, no source, no evidence. and its been, well, years.
>>321351196
>I was in the Dev stream when they said that Denuvo causes 1-5% overhead
holy christ, ACTUAL evidence? can we get a link here? what dev? when?
holy fuck you're all faggots
I don't give a fuck if you claim its "stealing", your moral code holds absolutely no value
eat shit
>>321351803
you could be saving lives RIGHT now with no more effort then a few clicks of the nearest charity websites donation button. instead, your here.
your letting people starve to death and its our moral codes your talking about?
>>321352171
what
>>321351667
>holy christ, ACTUAL evidence? can we get a link here? what dev? when?
Hahahahhaha
twi
tch
tv/lotfgame/b/583496891
They have deleted the video.
It was posted after the game got released and was crashing on official stream.
All people involved in this got fired.
Pepperidge farm remembers.
>>321351667
I'm no expert in DRM or hardware, but Denuvo apparently keeps doing constant read/write checks to your hard drive.
Constant read/writes in big numbers will kills parts of your SSD, drastically increases the chance of HDD failure. It also will affect the performance of anything that needs your hard drive.
>>321352416
>they have deleted the video
Great evidence
>>321352416
...FUCK. thats not a citation anon. just like every other article about it, it just says "someone told me". I cant tell people my source was "some guy on 4chan", man.
Can you tell me what game, what dev this was, anyways? maybe i can find it on internet archive, or, maybe someones rehosted it? maybe even the names of who got fired, if they dont work there, they would surely be okay with confirming they said that?
>>321352742
Of course. and i believe it, but, software that tracks hard drive usage is free, and making a webm of it, or posting a picture of its stats would take all of what, 5 minutes to make?
its been years. why hasnt this shown up? interestingly, ive seen one that shows it dosent.
>>321352994
yeah. and he thinks im defending denuvo too? its bad because it blocks modding and, well, i like stealing shit. but i cant tell people not to use it with reasons i cant prove, ya know?
like i said in my original post, it always comes down to this. "someone told me". He just became...another one.
>>321353091
>Can you tell me what game, what dev this was, anyways?
Lords of the Fallen - CI Games. Happy hunting. You don't have to believe me. Apparently all it takes is to take down all evidence from the web and all becomes fine and dandy. What a great world to live in.
>>321352994
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=177293609
>>321329978
Stop that meme, its just that it is a last gen game.
Looks like a 2012 pc game at best
>>321353345
great. our best shot of actually ever getting this shit straight just crumbled. you know, when i first joined in denuvo threads, i used to say the hard drive thing myself. i myself propagated the idea. I still do, but not the hard drive part because every time i get asked to citate it, i couldnt. eventually, i looked myself, and couldnt find it. now i make sure anything i spread is verifiable, ya know?
i guess when i tell people ill mention, uh a guy on 4chan, and on steam forums said so?
Last bump and I'm out.
>>321318785
how dull do you have to be to shill on /v/ for some method of drm?
>>321354282
i cant find either of these people. the only costin is a romian dude who dosent speak english. I also cant find this image anywhere else on the internet. this appears to be the first time its ever been posted. where did you get this image?
again, an image on 4chan is a citation. i need this link. i need to be able to say something more then someone told me.
>>321330843
Because how would you arrest someone for playing a game someone else bought at their home?
>>321355376
You stupid fuck. T.Gop was the lead developer of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1TDX74x8gE
You are drunk. Go fuck yourself retard troll.
>>321355118
Probably some underage who thinks he's special because he pays 70$ for triple AAA and malware to be installed on his computer.
>>321355376
also i copied the messages themselves and searched for that. no ones ever written those words in relation to denuvo or lords of the fallen. a very close version is mentioned, the 5% number shows up alot, but never in that context.
>>321355816
sorry, i forgot to clarify. can you show me where on his page he said this? can you show me where you...found this image?
>>321355915
I got it from twitter. Now the copy is available in one of the larger Polish gaming forums. I won't give you the link because it will get taken down immediately.
>>321333542
>pink cup
god dammit
>>321319536
>cracking CoD
>as if the campaign is worth playing
>>321355915
One of a couple of places that the screenshot got posted. I won't learn you how to use google.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.865394-Dragon-Age-Inqusition-Denuvo-DRM-apparently-liable-to-destorying-SSDs?page=3#21629952
>>321356953
oh thanks. still, thats just another site hosting an image that i cant verify. facebook chat fakers are a dime a dozen. however, an archive of any of these conversations would work. how do i know this image is real?
>>321357252
>however, an archive of any of these conversations would work.
They fired the guy after the game flopped and removed most information about him from social media. Do you understand how these things are done? Ask the other dev team from Germany on twitter about it and maybe they will help you as they also got fired with no warning. You'd better be a fucking Gaming Historian. I want to see your new episode on Denuvo.
>>321357472
im sure many, many others have asked him, and maybe i will too. obviously neither of us can get a response from him before this thread likely dies, so can we come to the agreement that there is no verifiable evidence in the almost 2 years that denuvo has been available? that despite the free software and tests, and the vast amount of people who own these games, none of them have ever actually gone to the effort to prove it? can we agree this is a little bit strange?
122 posters, 7 hours. none of us found anything? it just comes down to..."someone told me" or, "someones easily faked picture told me?". Im on 4chan, of course, only a fool would take anything posted here as fact
>>321358294
To get an accurate representation, you'd need a cracked and locked version to compare.
>>321358294
I won't agree with you because I was there when the game flopped and I remember them saying that. Nobody came up with anything because nobody gives a fuck anymore.
>>321358294
hmmm. im also checking 2014 era facebook images and i cant help but notice the scroll bars are not rounded...and that 2014 didnt have that format for its chat. is this a facebook image or a site that lets you chat using your facebook accounts?
>>321358891
i was here too. i remember the hourly denuvo threads, and more importantly, how they used to be SecuROM, with a history of scammy, shitty tactics. its interesting something that got shit on daily, with hundreds of thousands of mentions on /v/ alone. and during all this time no one actually put free software, free fraps and put 2 and 2 together? not even the slightest bit curious about this?
>>321358838
which exists, for some of the other games. also the most commonly tossed around claim is something crazy like 30 gigs an hour. its been a year and ive yet to hear about anyone with an actual ruined hard drive. strange, huh?
fellas, again. i believe it is obtrusive. it also would seriously harm modding, basically only allowing paid modding ( limited to ingame mod tools and such ), like steams paid mods. i also really want to play mad max but im not going to buy it.
i just want evidence. a citation.
>>321318785
I only pirate stuff that has some minor gimmick I wanna screw around with for an hour or two or something I feel like isn't worth the full price tag. If piracy is truly dead all it means is I'm just gonna wait a few more months for the game to go on sale before I play it.
>>321359746
278000 owners of lords of the fallen, with an average of 11 hours each.
0 verifiable reports of hard drive failure.
is no one else even the tiniest bit curious about this
>>321327367
This. I usually pirate games I'm on the fence about so if there's no way I can try it to make sure it's not shit I'll just move onto some other game that looks better.
>inb4 steam refunds
They can still deny you a refund even if it's under the two hour mark so I'm not gonna take that chance on getting burned.
>>321333542
>Green Genesis
>>321360346
They literally don't know how to check this. All of them.
>>321336468
>but now I'll just pick one up in a couple of months
You'll likely pick up a revision that makes the current exploit impossible by then meaning you're either gonna sit around with your thumb up your ass waiting for a new one or just shit out of luck. Get one now before it's too late.
>>321361054
a hard drive failure isnt something you need to run a test on. it kinda, fails, and stops working.
and these 278,000 people whove played it twice as long on average the claim it will destroy their SSD...not one persons hard drive faile?
thats absolutely incredible. flipping a coin half a million times and getting all heads.
>>321361508
The whole urban legend boils down to having not enough RAM and keeping your SWAP/Pagefile on SSD. Are we clear now? Can you see the consequences?
>>321361508
sorry, this is misleading. in 2014, ssd`s were in like, 8% of computers. so 25000ish people, assuming that gamers were not more likely to adopt ssd`s fasters then others. so the comparison should be, 50,000 coins flipped and all of them landing on heads.
>>321361770
hmm, thanks for the clarification. that would fuck your SSD really fast, and be really noticeable. and those lucky 27800, all avoided it. every single one.
>>321362073
>and those lucky 27800, all avoided it. every single one.
They started lowering graphical options when the game started crashing like mad. Just look at the S.Forum. Idiots are trying to play this on 4GB Ram and C2D.
>>321362507
the first patch was released almost an entire month after it. im sure some of these people got in atleast 6 hours in 30 days, the game wasnt THAT bad. also your implying they fixed it, so why is it still relevant?
also, your game wouldnt start crashing more and more if your hard drive failed. you wouldnt be playing anything at all.
how about the 800,000 who own mgs5. you know, the fanbase that decrypted and scoured every inch of the game looking for chapter 3? how are their ssd`s?
>>321363286
>also your implying they fixed it,
What?
The game still works like crap on many h/w configs. The only change is that people nowadays use the crack to check if the game will work fine before buying. That way, you don't see much more hate on Steam outside of huge sale periods.
>>321363286
>how are their ssd`s?
If they are not retards and installed the game on HDD on a machine with 8GB of RAM then probably fine.
>>321363541
so its not fixed, but none of the 25000 estimated ssd users ssd have actually failed, a device generally more expensive then the game itself?
the claim was that denuvo fucks your hard drives. ive already said i believe its impossible to have drm stuff that dosent effect performance at all, or it would literally be magic. but its been a year and not one bit of SSD failure evidence has ever been shown.
>>321363778
unlikely, cant use that as a citation. sorry.
>pirate all the games I want
>buy all the games I want but can't pirate perfectly
>save thousands
Wow that was hard.
>>321363801
>but its been a year and not one bit of SSD failure evidence has ever been shown.
Maybe because SSD wear is not noticeable when the game is 9 hours long?
>>321364191
which is roughly twice the length of how fast failure should happen based on the initial claim.
>>321321575
You fuckin wut mate?
>>321364418
>which is roughly twice the length of how fast failure should happen
You are retarded or a troll.
See you never.
>>321364959
absolutely no arguments or points. again, the original claim that started this all off said it would destroy your ssd in 6 hours or less, based on the 2 gigs per second claim.
remember, i didnt make this claim. im asking someone to prove it.
instead, people just get angry and insist that its true, that..."somebody told them". in this case, im guessing it was /v/ that told you this.
>>321333542
>Naked Chair
>>321365321
another interesting thing. a 400 buck ssd card in 2014 had a write speed of about 500 megs a second. which means its not even possible for the 2 gig a second claim to even be true.
huh.
Dunevo DOES NOT effect game performance
It just happened to be the drm on a game with terrible optimization, but that has nothing to do with Dunevo being there
Many games use it now, but they happen to run great
It's almost like games can just be poorly optimized...
But hey, it's not like that happened before Dunevo showed up right?
The whole, dunevo hurts performance myth is just something people who want to pirate games spew when they're in denial they just want free shit
I've been pirating games my whole life, but fuck these cunts who spread misinformation
>>321318785
Every game with denuvo was one of the following:
>Massive disappointment
>A game that no one cared about
>A financial blunder
>>321366350
oh hey you missed it, we just did this tango for a few hours already. 9 hours, 125 posters or so, not one single verifiable piece of evidence.
this is the closest we got, a claim that a dev said so in a stream. the page no longer exists and the best they could come up with was some forum posts saying the also saw it. there was some serious circus tier mental gymnastics going on. and man, the people who would not let go of the fact that i even agreed denuvo should be removed?in theory, it HAS to have an effect, but as the actual tests showed, it was virtually insignificant
>>321365632
SATA 3 has a transfer speed of 6 GB per second
>>321367421
cool. anyways, back to ssd`s and not interfaces...
>>321337484
If Sony hasn't modified GRUB's code its fine. If all they did was create a config file that's not redistribution-required.
However, the only source we have saying ps4 uses grub required violating the law to obtain, so you couldn't springboard a court case off of a hacked PS4's disk contents.
>>321318785
reminder that Denuvo literally kills SSDs
>>321365632
>>321367421
>>321367819
SSDs are faster than the interface.
Samsung 950 Pro PCIe is the card you want to look up benchmarks for.
>>321321575
>XOR encryption
>XOR
>encryption
XOR is not encryption. It's encraption, and it has nothing to do with PRNG. Is the PRNG spitting weak IVs or something? Or are they just using a PRNG library to run XOR as a function? I don't understand.
>>321368509
ah yes. the 2015 card.
we are talking about 2014. you notice i already mentioned its predecessor in this thread
>>321368795
SSDs have been capped by SATA speed since 2013 m8
>>321368976
so some russian in 2014 had something not a toaster. okay, ill give you that. it was possible to achieve those speeds.
however, that it was possible to reach those speeds does not prove denuvo did so, in the end.
