Reminder that the only group that can crack the new version of Denuvo (3DM) has given up on trying to crack Denuvo games
Reminder that by next year, almost all games will use it.
Reminder that piracy is dead.
>but nobody cares about Just Cause 3, that's why it's not cracked!
If JC3 isn't popular enough to get cracked, that rules out pretty much everything but Call of Duty and GTA.
please reply to my b8 thread, thank you.
>>321318785
>Not so subtle Lords of the Fallen shilling on /v/
>>321318785
Well used and heavily discounted ($5 and under) games it is until they get their shit together.
>>321319536
But JC3 has been cracked
>>321318785
I have reverse engineered the portion of the wrapper that matters, and have made an unwrapper that should be able to unwrap versions 1 through 7. But before I present that, here's what I think about Denuvo. Quite frankly, the wrapper system is very weak. I don't know if Denuvo is underestimating people, or if they're incompetent, but the wrapper presents little challenge to anyone wishing to unwrap, especially if they've already gotten a valid activation key. The wrapper's protection is encrypting a portion of the protected EXE's code, but the amount is so small it's almost meaningless.
In the v7 sample I have 32 bytes are encrypted starting at the entry point. If you know about reverse engineering, you will know that the entry point typically contains the runtime initializer, and this code is similar between many executables using that runtime. So it's possible to just find another EXE with similar code, copy it over, fix a few offsets, and you're done. Exit, from above, is v6, and only had 16 bytes encrypted. There is no anti-dump, so you can just run the game, dump process, and copy over the unprotected bytes. Not only that, but the wrapper uses a publicly available PRNG implementation, and using that to perform XOR encryption. (It's a good thing they did that, because it meant less work for me. I wonder what the period on the PRNG is.) The wrapper has no support for in-memory patching of EXEs with TLS nor relocations. And you can practically skip all of its licensing checks by jumping past those instructions (and it'll decrypt and launch the game, with enough time for you to do a memory dump).
Overall, it's just braindead and rather pathetic. You don't even need a code to decrypt it.
>>321318785
JC3 has been cracked.
>>321321575
interesting
i have no clue what this means but it sounds interesting
Reminder that CPY is the only group that actually cracked Denuvo on the games 3dm gave up on.
>>321321909
its like they built a bank vault where all you need to open it is the combination to another bank vault.
>>321322216
if you put it that way it seems quite silly
>>321321575
Denuvo confirmed dead.
OP marketer on suicide watch.
/thread
>>321321575
if this was true every group would have a crack out already, or are they scared to release it because they want a good patch for the game before releasing the crack to the public?
>>321321575
is there any explanation as to why every game that uses denuvo is poorly optimized
>>321323236
the jews
>>321319536
there hasnt been a pirate update for gta5 in like 6 months
>>321323185
>>321323236
It's copypasta.
>>321323487
so he's not a wrapper
>every time a new drm comes out
>lol pirates btfo
>always cracked as someone somewhere wants the fame of being first to crack it
same cycle every generation of consoles
only worth getting into the end of a generation so you can catch up on goty bundles
>>321323598
OHH
OHHHHH
>>321318785
I will never buy any game that uses Denuvo just like I'll never buy anything that uses secuROM or Tages.
>>321323650
Denuvo has been out for a year. Only two groups have been able to crack games with it, and one of them could only crack old versions of the software. One title went 9 months without anyone cracking it. Just Cause 3 has zero groups attempting to crack it.
Where are all the fame-hungry scene groups?
>>321318785
But
They've already cracked games that use Denuvo
Can moralfags please stop shilling this shit?
Did they ever cracked metal gear v?
>>321323879
Working on it.
Chaos Theory took an entire year before it got a working crack.
>>321324031
Yes.
>>321323898
And every time, Denuvo upgrades their version to patch out those vulnerabilities.
>>321324031
Barely. The prologue is unplayable and the crack will crash on many systems.
>>321323879
Not talking to you clearly because they're too busy working on that crack. They don't talk to the scene until it's near ready.
>>321324184
That's not true. 3DM always gives out news updates and streams their crack progress. They're silent on Just Cause 3.
>>321324156
>And every time, Denuvo upgrades their version to patch out those vulnerabilities
And every time, more will be made. And patching after the fact doesn't stop the people who already pirated it either.
I don't know why anti-piracy people have become so obnoxiously cocky and vocal lately.
No one cares; modern games are shit anyway.
>>321324156
>Barely. The prologue is unplayable and the crack will crash on many systems.
actually they cracked 1.5 and it works quite well now
>>321324415
That's because piratefags mock and insult buyfags all the time, even when buyfags are the ones keeping PC gaming alive.
>>321322119
And that their cracks actualy work and aren't filled with malware.
>>321321575
If this is true then why cracking teams like CPY, Razer1911, Skidrow have taken on denuvo? And I refuse to believe they were paid off by companies.
>>321324915
the jews
>>321324590
Uh, every time I've seen something about piracy it's always people against piracy throwing the first bricks. These countless threads about Denuvo and the attitudes behind them are pretty strong evidence against your claim, too.
>>321324590
The problem is with people preordering shitty games. Settling for buying games without demos or proof of whether the game is any good.
Those people are more detrimental to the industry than all the pirates combined.
>>321323185
Every group that wasn't 3DM just bastardized their work, in that every derivative for every pre-overhaul Denuvo game just emulated the Steam/Origin phone-home calls that confirmed the game was legit, and that has since been patched
>>321324915
They didn't take Denuvo on, they just cracked games that weren't DA:I which used Denuvo, as they used the same method 3DM exploited with DA:I, and there were a handful out there which remained uncracked, LotF being one of them, this applied to Arkham Knight and MGSV too, but ever since the most recent patches for them, the old way doesn't work, so you can only play the games using older patches, so you're kinda fucked if you wanted to pirate the as-good-as-it-gets version of AK
>>321324415
>haha buyfags what a bunch of loser amirite!? thanks for supporting the entire industry so that we can reap the benefits at no cost!
>"looks like you can't pirate stuff that uses this software"
>W-WHY ARE YOU BEING SO MEAN TO ME!?
>IT'S JUST
>NOT
>FAIR!!
>>321323236
Because why spend money optimizing a game when shills will just spam Steam saying "well it works for me :^)" With no piracy and no demos people are locked into paying for what might be absolute shit. All the money that would be spent on improving the game is then spent on advertising to make sure they get the most preorders and day one buyers before word of mouth travels and people go on the fence.
>>321325058
Clearly you haven't been on threads about new PC announcements, or PC gaming in general.
>>321325180
No. You insult everyone who dares to spend money, even if the game has a discount of 99.99%.
>"Should I buy this (already released game)?"
>good goy
>supporting the jews
>buying games
>not pirating
>not wanting the industry to crash
>being a buyfag cuckold
>I pirate the PC port and buy the console port; it's the correct thing to do.
And so on.
>>321323390
no one cares about gta anymore... only games like skyrim and fallout will get updates months after release, anything other is not worth doing as only fasnboys play xxx game after that time and they bought it by now...
I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE, FREEDOM, JUSTICE AND SECURITY TO MY NEW EMPIRE
>>321325532
>undertale
Your post is now irrelevant.
>>321325639
Incorrect. Padme should be the legit customer unable to run the game thanks to the draconian DLC. Obi Wan represents the legit customers who refuse to buy the game.
The younglings are the pirates.
>>321325557
I enjoyed Just Cause 2 it was an incredibly well made game and ran fantastically.
Even had a demo for me to test this.
I would love to play Just Cause 3 but all I have is hearsay and mixed opinions saying it doesnt work.
Unless they start making demos for games as standard I think this hobby will have run its course.
>>321323879
trust me it will be cracked.. it never is about IF its about WHEN.. also JC3 turned out to be shit so no one is in rush to crack it... also Denuvo is not that hard to crack its just soooo painful no one cares enough to do it... it takes like gazzylions tries to make it work and then you realize it works only on your PC and no other and scene ppl are got so lazy because steam was so easy to do...
>>321325557
>You
Also falling for low quality bait is just pathetic.
>>321325912
From my point of view the customers are evil!
Give it time.
Besides the industry knows normies will always, I repeat, ALWAYS buy games. Piracy is a non-threat, but they save face as to not insult customers.
They are too fucking stupid to work a torrent client and open a .txt with instructions on how to run a pirated game. Read some of the comments people leave behind on releases if you don't believe me.
Nothing to see here folks.
>>321325693
Devastating counterpoint my friend.
You must have taken one of those internet courses on "Convincing absolutely no one that you actually have an argument."
>>321326112
I don't think that's bait. Those faggots are serious.
>>321326352
Maybe, doesn't make it any less bait. It's usually unemployed manchildren that think they are so smart because they pirate.
Anyone can get a 5$ VPN and pirate all they want. Doesn't mean shit.
>>321323879
It's 2Hard. Manufacturers always have the advantage in time, secret knowledge and funding.
The thing is, if your game is crack, even if it's uncrackable people won't buy it.
Look at witcher 3. there's no DRM and people still bought it because it was quality. Unlick JC3
>>321326231
Reddit's the other way, friend.
>>321326648
CDPR said The Witcher 2 saw a huge amount of piracy despite being a quality game without any DRM. I imagine The Witcher 3 saw the same thing.
The notion that all you need to do is make a good game to get people to pay is bullshit. You'll get more paying customers, sure, but you'll also get more pirates as well.
>>321318785
Its ok, not like im buying it either way.
I simply stopped caring.
>>321327332
>get more paying customers
Isn't that what matters?
Daily reminder that an uncrackeable game isn't going to increase sales in a meaningful way.
If a game can't be pirated then pirates will ignore it, moving to the next game instead.
>>321327367
forgot your face
>>321327439
You get more paying customers from having effective DRM too.
Especially when you consider that the current situation on the PC is to expect only around 20%-30% of the people playing your game to have payed for it. And that's apparently an optimistic figure too.
>>321327332
>You'll get more paying customers, sure, but you'll also get more pirates as well.
So you get more revenue, fucktard. Who cares if some autist pirated it 10 times....
>>321327782
>on the PC is to expect only around 20%-30% of the people playing your game to have payed for it
>payed
Any source to backup you claims?
>>321327857
>DRM-protected game:
>15000 copies sold
>3000000 pirated copies
>DRMless game:
>14000 copies sold
>6000000 pirated copies
>>321327781
Nah this is my face.
I would upload a video if i wasn't such an ugly cunt.
>>321328117
>15000 copies sold
>14000 copies sold
>You'll get more paying customers
That doesn't fit
>>321324590
>even when buyfags are the ones keeping PC gaming alive.
by buying garbage ?
>>321327332
This so fucking much, tired of the "lost sales fallacy".
Game is good = sales and piracy are equal or sometimes in favor of piracy
Game is shit = less sales and more piracy
Pirates are faggots and would have not bought it anyways in each scenario.
>>321328117
Pulling stats out of your ass I see. First there is absolutely no way to track pirated copies. With a fuckton of torrent sites around.
Then there's the fact that you can't compare any 2 games to get accurate statistics.
>>321328117
More like
>DRM-protected game:
>15000 copies sold
>3000000 pirated copies
>DRMless game:
>15001 copies sold
>6000000000000 pirated copies
Who's ahead here?
>>321318785
The 13 foundations of vengance suggest i should find you, destroy you and your bloodline and revel in the slaughter.
So quit making these stupid threads.
>>321318785
until it's cracked by a bored college student
>>321327980
Ubisoft said they see around a 90% piracy rate. CDPR said at a time when they had only sold around 1 million copies of The Witcher 2 it had been pirated over 4.5 million times. I think it was the World of Goo developer who said that he saw a piracy rate of around 90%.
And the thing is, these sorts of figures are coming from the people who pirate the game and then are stupid enough to connect to the game's servers so they are probably under representative of the real figures.
>>321325534
>What are Steam refunds?
If you can't tell if you like a game in two hours, a demo won't help you.
>>321328630
>Ubisoft said they see around a 90% piracy rate
>Ubisoft said
That's not a source. Link to where they said this. Regardless, of course they're going to talk about how huge a problem piracy is; if they didn't have that as a scapegoat, they'd have to own up to making terrible games
>>321328630
I'm sure that this is literally the number of times a game has been downloaded. In no way does it mean that without piracy, 900% more people would have bought the game.
It's an unreliable metric. I'm anti-piracy but I hate anti-consumer tactics "justified" by these numbers nearly as much.
>>321328794
What if the game drops in quality and starts crashing right after the 2 hour mark?
>>321328630
>And the thing is, these sorts of figures are coming from the people who pirate the game and then are stupid enough to connect to the game's servers
What servers are there for Witcher 2? How fucking stupid are you?
>>321329043
Then, again, a demo wouldn't have helped you. The smart thing to do, as with any technology, is wait for other people to buy it at launch and wait to see how it performs. This isn't new.
>>321329215
A year has passed and new retards still keeps coming to Steam forums praising the game and claiming that all people that bashed the game for a straight year were wrong. It doesn't work like that. Customers are idiots and someone will always buy your crap no matter what. There are simply too many humans with money to waste.
http://wwwyoutube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI [Embed]
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.arsgus.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.arsars
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
http://amitay.us/blog/files/piracy_doubled_my_app_sales.php
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://www.ivir.nl/publicaties/poort/Filesharing_2012.pdf
https://torrentfreak.com/file-sharers-buy-more-movies-121018/
http://piracy.americanassembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Copy-Culture.pdf
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121114/07180721044/riaa-prefers-customers-who-buy-little-to-pirates-who-buy-lot.shtml
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Another-Study-Shows-Pirates-Buy-More-Content-124363
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/telecoms-research/online-copyright/deep-dive.pdf
>>321325639
From my point of view it's the consumers who are evil.>>321329215
What's new is paid reviews, not only on professional sites but astroturfer agents infesting forums and muddling word-of-mouth information.
>>321329038
"I wouldn't have bought it anyway" is not an excuse for piracy.
Publishers and devs aren't just concerned that they are lost sales, they are also concerned that people get to experience their game for free.
That's really what they are selling with these games, an experience. It's like a holiday or visiting a theme park or something. If there is a price tag on that and you don't pay it you have basically "stolen" the experience. Do not point out what the legal definition of theft is, I know already.
>>321323236
MGSV was extremely well optimized
>>321318785
Does this mean we can stop using the "piracy is killing video games" argument when shit games sell badly?
Now when a shit game sells badly, can we just say "it was shit" instead?
>>321329463
To be fair Lords of the Fallen isn't really a bad game. It's just too short (it had like three areas) unchallenging and has technical shortcomings (the framerate drops like crazy when you're on open places).
It definitely isn't $60 good. $15 would be fine.
>>321329978
Indeed. My PC is a bordeline toaster and the game runs fine.
>>321329716
>go over to friend's house
>play his game
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
>buy game second hand
>play game I legally bought
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
>watch game on youtube
>game is mostly cutscenes anyway
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
>download game illegally online
>play game
>get the experience
>publishers and developers never see any money from me
Why is only one of these wrong, then?
>>321328630
I'd pirate a Ubisoft game if it saved me having to deal with uplay.
>>321329532
tl'dr pirates BUY more media than non-pirates.
neo/v/ doesn't like pirates because they are a bunch of newfags who have no idea how to fileshare let alone build and maintain a computer or mod a console. and also 4chan in general is flooded with paid shills from various government agencies and corporations trying to persuade and influence your perception and ideas by spamming inane unsubstantiated and flippant threads and replies.
>>321330034
Lords of the Fallen is the definition of a mediocre and forgettable game. And I'm pretty sure it didn't sell well either, and since for the longest time you couldn't pirate it, pirates can't be blamed for poor sales.
>>321329716
Hahaha, what a retard. They care about revenue, nobody gives a shit about how much fun people have.
It's all about how much money they got and how much money they can get.
Just look at books, retard. Lending books is one of the most normal things. Author still doesn't get my money but people read his stuff for free.
>>321329532
That's a really fucking stupid graph.
Am I to believe that only 5%-10% of the people that don't download legally acquire their media? How are they getting the illegally gained 95% apart from filesharing?
And paying for some of your media does not earn you a free pass to pirate most of it and that is a really fucking moronic argument to make. Obeying the law does not entitle you to break it at a later stage, you obey the law all the time.
>>321330034
>$15 would be fine.
Maybe if it wouldn't use Denuvo and actually have dev support.
Whatever happened to Skidrow and Reloaded?
>>321330164
>paid shills from various government agencies
Oh yeah, the government is so, so, so afraid of a bunch of neckbeards leeching off social security programs.
>>321318785
>The age of piracy dies out right when i get to the point where I have disposable income to use on games
I'm okay with this.
>>321330293
>>321330124
Playing at a friends house, buying second hand, etc. are legal options. Piracy is not.
>Just look at books, retard. Lending books is one of the most normal things.
Do you have any idea how furious book publishers still are to this day about the existence of libraries?
Make no mistake, if publishers could they would make lending and second hand sales just as illegal as piracy.
>>321326110
>also JC3 turned out to be shit so no one is in rush to crack it
Kek
>>321330660
>are legal options
Why? If they hurt the developers and publishers the same, why aren't there laws being passed to crack down on it? Why is this allowed?
Games only need to last a few months before being cracked anyway. The majority that want the game will cave and just buy it. Only the stingy minority will wait months to years to play a game they wanted for free.
It's the same concept that makes timed exclusives a thing.
>>321330376
They're still around.
Skidrow barely releases anything anymore besides one-offs, Reloaded has been quiet as of late. Codex is the new hotness, HI2U is making small waves, FitGirl is starting to become accepted on private trackers, and the rest is GOG.
>>321330660
But they can't. And as illegal as piracy is it would never become extinct or wrong for that matter.
Libraries exist because they were made in a time where knowledge trumped money and people wanted everyone to know more.
Now all they want is money, hence why pirates are justified in doing whatever they want.
Not supporting good bands and publishers is indeed a douchebag move, but still justifiable.
>>321329716
"You wouldn't have bought it otherwise" is not an excuse for DRM.
Players aren't just concerned that they are paying for themselves to be digitally restricted, they are also concerned that these restrictions will be turned against them and stop them from experiencing the games they have purchased.
>>321330660
>libraries are a bad thing
>>321321575
This copy pasta was written by someone who has basic grasp of assembly but the wrap-unwarp is total garbage.
>>321330660
So it's not about the publisher getting their money? Glad you feel that way.
>>321330843
Because they are considered "reasonable".
Playing at a friend's place is not indefinite access and the friend paid for the game. Borrowing from a library is not indefinite access and the library paid for it. Piracy is just taking something not only you didn't pay for, nobody else did either, and keeping it forever.
>>321331275
>Piracy is just taking something not only you didn't pay for, nobody else did either
somebody had to buy it to make a pirated copy, mate
>>321329716
>libraries are an atrocity despised by every author
this is how retarded you sound
>>321331275
> nobody else did either
Yes, the files just came from thin air, retard.
Anyway, reading a book from a library is the same as what you'do if you bought it. You won't read the same book back to back 5 times in a row....
>>321331425
No they didn't.
Scene groups acquire their shit from sources at duplication factories and the like. That's how they have them before street date.
Piracy almost always originates from a good old straight theft.
>>321331275
Libraries lend cds, dvds, audiobooks and ebooks. All of which can be copied and accessed indefinitely.
>nobody else did either
someone bought the game and uploaded/cracked and uploaded it. Just like someone bought the book, cd or dvd and gave it to the library.
>>321330412
>government has to be afraid of the public to want to control the way people think about things
>thinking 4chan is niche and not mainstream
>>321331275
How about getting it from a friend after he's done with it? He's already experienced it, and now I can too, with 100% access. If it's about me experiencing it without paying, why is this okay?
>>321331948
>Libraries lend cds, dvds, audiobooks and ebooks. All of which can be copied and accessed indefinitely.
Yes, they lend for a limited time. You are not supposed to make a copy and retain access indefinitely and while you have access someone else is supposed to be deprived of it. This was the compromise that was arranged with publishers so they can still exist.
Why are all you people comparing piracy to libraries? It's not even close to equivalent. Libraries do not just take books in violation of the law and make millions upon millions of copies to just give away.
>>321332284
Because libraries are inherently wrong. They allow people to experience without paying. This hurts publishers and developers the same way piracy does
>>321325693
>stop liking what I dont like
kill yourself slowly
>>321318785
>3dm
>comparing it to a scene group
>>321332284
Because:
>That's really what they are selling with these games, an experience. ... If there is a price tag on that and you don't pay it you have basically "stolen" the experience.
>and you don't pay it you have basically "stolen" the experience.
>>321332284
>This was the compromise that was arranged with publishers so they can still exist
So if publishers all said "no," libraries would be illegal? Why do publishers get such a say there?
>>321332574
Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously. Piracy does. And the purpose of a library is slightly difference. It's mission is to provide equal access to information for all society.
It was considered "unfair" that books and the information contained within was a privilege only the wealthy could afford so libraries came into existence for the betterment of all society. Video games are not considered as important to society and so the government has not elected to pay for the public to have free access to them.
Take it up with your government if you think that is a mistake. For what it's worth, there are organizations like the EFF who are taking up that cause but I doubt you have any interest in helping them.
>>321333296
>Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously
>what is an online library
>what is Project Gutenberg
>what are ebooks
>who was phone
>>321333296
>Libraries do not offer indefinite access to every person simultaneously
Literally so what
See >>321333001
There's an experience being experienced and people aren't paying. This is wrong, by your own definition.
>but I doubt you have any interest in helping them
I am actually a free software advocate and regularly donate to the EFF. Why do you assume I don't?
>>321333613
>I am actually a free software advocate and regularly donate to the EFF
So in other words you do practically nothing.
This thread is hilarious.
People are actually upset that they can't steal things.
>>321329532
>http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
This study that all other sources are based on is misinterpret. Go ahead and read it with thought, its making different claim than what people citing it think it makes.
>>321334093
>People are upset they can't steal things.
Even tho piracy ain't really stealing I doubt any pirate actually cares about your bitching about them pirating.
>>321318785
At what cost though? Denuvo is one of the most intrusive DRMs imaginable.
The only way it could be worse if it included a dildo you had to fuck yourself with in order to play.
>>321334093
They all can, they are just arguing about it.
>>321334093
What's even more hilarious is the thought that you guys have spent 20 years assmad about people stealing things.
>>321318785
Thank you based Denuvo from preventing Just Cause 3 from having any kind of mod besides character swaps.
>>321334093
>supporting pirates
>supporting Sony installing intrusive performance decreasing malware onto your computer
Tough choice
>>321334023
Great argument there, now we don't even have to continue talking bringing up how libraries are harmful.
Thing is, why would I want no pirates in probably the industry that deserves more to die?
>>321334296
They do.
Otherwise the whole
>I pirate first then buy if I like it
>I won't support devs I don't like
>It's not stealing it's a copy!
Bullshit wouldn't happen.
>>321324590
Thank you for keeping the industry that gives us cut games for DLC, unfinished games, absolutely broken ports and that gives shitty people a job alive, you are the best.
>>321334601
Just because they refute your wrong claims about piracy being equal to stealing I doubt they care that they pirate.
>>321334601
But you are the ones assmad enough to start these threads.
You are so desperate that a year ago you were acting like pieces of shit like Shills of the Fallen or Dragon Age Cisquisition were good just because they used this DRM.
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME TO PAY THE ALIMONY
I AIN'T THE DARKEST GUY IN MY BED
I WAS LOOKING IN DESPAIR WITH MY FINGERS IN MY HAIR
AT MY WIFE AND HER BUCK FROM MY KEK SHED
WELL
THE BILLS START COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING
STATEMENTS OVERDRAWN, CANNOT BE FORGIVEN
DIDN'T MAKE SENSE NOT TO GO INSANE
FUCKED MY SHIT UP NOW I'M IN EXTREME PAIN
TOO MUCH TO PAY
TOO MUCH IN DEBT
SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH FLEEING TO CUBA
YOU'LL FOREVER KNOW IF YOU GET HITCHED
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IN YOUR MISERY YOU'LL WADE
IF ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GOLD
GIVE IT TO MY WIFE
TO BE SOOOLLDDDD
>>321334356
>Denuvo is one of the most intrusive DRMs imaginable
I've seen this claim everywhere, without facts supporting it. To be fair I only played two Denuvo-protected games (TPP and Lodf). Of the two of them TPP ran fine while lodf had some slowdown.
>>321323879
scene group are not allowed to release anything but a complete crack. those are their rules.
>>321334694
>>321334572
>>321328326
You guys are strange. Why do you want videogames to stop existing?
>>321334965
I can't use mods with any Denuvo game, for example.
No tinkering with the launcher = no script extenders = goodbye to the vast majority of mods.
What you will have at most, is what MGSV has: model swaps and ENB filters.
Why should I suffer from this?
>>321335164
'Cuz modding is stealing content from the developers (as they could be selling it).
>>321335131
>video games require an industry
>>321335131
Because the industry crash of the 80's took out a lot of cancerous companies out of the game, and we had a 20 year-long golden age of videogames.
The industry has to crash again, and take out pieces of shit like Ubisoft, EA, Activision and a vast amount of studios, mainly 90% of indie ones who just produce shovelware, and let everything start anew.
It's a pathetic sight to see what has happened to this industry in the last 10 years.
So no, I have zero respect for the comformist fucks who support the industry in it's current state.
>>321335353
Not my problem.
Why should talentless hacks make THEIR problem MY problem?
I bought the game, fuck off with the rest of your bullshit and be glad I didn't buy a CD Key.
>>321335409
>>321335509
/thread
>>321335353
>modding is stealing content from the developers
Bethesda's whole business plan is based on modders fixing their game and creating free content.
>>321335353
Dude, Fallout games on PC sell solely because of mods, no one would like them vanilla considering the incredibly shitty gameplay 3 and NV have, and the shallow piece of shit that 4 is.
>>321335509
>Why should talentless hacks make THEIR problem MY problem?
How else will anon worship its corporate overlords? Something something something free market something something.
>>321335680
Right until they tried to implement paid mods eh?
>>321335892
>Right until they tried to implement paid mods eh?
Funny because it was Bethesda the one who pushed for that.
>>321325532
The state of the that the gaming industry is in isn't worth supporting. I've only bought two games this entire year.
>>321335409
Eh. What a naive viewpoint.
The 2010's are very different times to the 80's. During the 80's videogames were seen as toys for children and an overall rarity; today videogames are so ingrained into society that they became mass consumed media just like TV so a crash is impossible.
By not supporting the very few decent developers you're dooming them to adopting the practices you loathe so much, or even worse, going mobile.
>>321335979
>literally ''IT'S 2015''
Jesus fucking christ.
>By not supporting the very few decent developers you're dooming them to adopting the practices you loathe so much, or even worse, going mobile.
Thank god I bought The Witcher 3, which funny enough, has no DRM, and has sold more than all Denuvo games combined.
post your face when even if piracy on PC becomes impossible that still doesn't rule out consoles
>>321334601
Oldfag here, I've probably been pirating since before you were born. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of pirating. I've been pirating virtually all of my life and will continue to do so. I've also spent and will continue to spend more on video games than you ever will. No excuses are necessary; I pirate because at the moment I don't want to pay. If I feel like paying later, I do, if not, I don't. There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. All DRM gets cracked.
>>321336083
>mfw the kernel exploit of the PS4 is the real deal
>mfw they already dumped the RAM
>mfw PS4 piracy is inminent
http://wololo.net/2015/12/13/ps4-jailbreak-possible-cturt-confirms-ram-dump/
http://wololo.net/2015/12/24/ps4-filesystem-root-dump-teased-by-playstationhax/
>>321336083
I think console piracy is going to die too.
>>321336251
Totally the opposite.
Here, have the filesystem root of the PS4.
>>321334565
You donate a bit to charity and then claim it all back so you are actually out of pocket a $0.
What a fucking sacrifice. That is one step above running a hashtag campaign.
>>321335892
>Right until they tried to implement paid mods eh?
Yes, right until Bethesda started asking for money for content they did not create. Also the developers of said content did not charge for it, so Bethesda can't claim unjust enrichment.
TL:DR - Bethesda tried to scam everyone for more money and people weren't happy and you are a moron.
>>321336243
Pretty excited, I wasn't going to pick up a ps4 until a couple of years later when it had plenty of cheap games but now I'll just pick one up in a couple of months
>>321336251
In truth neither will :)
>>321336354
>grub
>GPL'd software
Does this mean Sony is infringing on copyrights?
Everyone says PC is nothing but piracy, when console gaming is as bad. Why do you think the PS1 was so successful everywhere?
>>321336354
Sorry man but I'm not going to believe it until I can find modded PS4 on my third world country's seedy console stores.
>>321336707
The source is at the links in here.
>>321336243
The exploit is apparently even in the latest firmware and it's in the PS4's web browser.
Funny enough, the PS Vita had the same exact exploit.
>>321336707
>third world country
aren't you fucks already using some exploit to share games?
>>321336378
As long as it helps them, I don't care that I don't become bankrupt to do it.
>>321336707
>Everyone says PC is nothing but piracy, when console gaming is as bad. Why do you think the PS1 was so successful everywhere?
Perhaps because it was cheaper, was more powerful and out earlier than its competition.
>>321336834
Not yet. That's why no one wants to buy/sell the PS4One
>>321336875
>more powerful
The Nintendo 64 was the most powerful of the two.
>>321336243
Fuck, that really came out of nowhere.
Fucking hackers man, hope they can blow open the Vita too and make it finally useful.
>>321337015
>two
Saturn? who?
PS1 was more powerful than the saturn and the N64 came out nearly two years later.
>>321336679
I don't think it works that way. Just because GRUB is on the machine doesn't mean ever single piece of software on the machine is now covered by GPL.
I've honestly been a pirate since SNES days, kind of catching up to me though and I'm starting to actually buy games nowadays. Mostly because I picked up a ps3 to play some missed exclusives and I'm too lazy to install an ODE since it cant be jailbroken.
But I have no beef with people that choose to continue pirating, so why do other people do? What does it matter to you? I know from personal experience that 90% of the shit I pirated I wouldn't have bought either way because it would round up to supercar money.
So yeah, what's the big deal?
>>321337215
Grub still is, and they aren't passing along the source or the license for it, which they are legally required to do. It doesn't matter if it doesn't link to anything else, it still is itself GPL'd
Denuvo is great because those faggots who have money to spare but pirate anyway get btfo. Makes me laugh everytime they post about having to buy a game.
Sucks for those that live in countries that get ripped of though but what does it really matter. The game is probably shit and you weren't ganna buy it anyway.
I have money, but I always buy CD Keys from some poor polish kid to ensure devs get as little money from me as possible.
Not a single dev nowadays deserves money.
Never EVER
>>321337520
Or instead of resorting to denuvo that will just get cracked anyway publishers could invest the money into making a good game
Apparently good games sell well
>>321329716
>"I wouldn't have bought it anyway" is not an excuse for piracy.
Every single time someone like you comes along and says that.
I and every single person i know that play games does not spent money on them. If a game is not piratable we just don't play it. We move to something else.
Why is that so hard to understand ?
>>321337759
>Apparently good games sell well
This is the first i'm hearing of it.
>>321337831
This is what non-pirates don't understand
When I can pirate on my PC, 360, PS3 and partially on my Wii U (add PS4 soon yo), there's so much fucking shit on the table it really couldn't matter less if Just Cause 3 got a delayed crack or whatever.
>>321338001
What?
>>321338116
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>>321337759
But they're not focus grouped and market tested to hell and back, and then have the difficulty toned down such that an epileptic 3 year old can beat the game on its hardest setting!
How could anyone make money on that?
Especially when we absolutely have to spend a small nations GDP rendering every eyelash on the head dev's waifu's model.
And then spend 8 times that on the marketing blitz so every college stoner will want to buy it to fill that aching hollow void where a sense of accomplishment would be if our society wasn't structured to belittle and diminish any chances at success a person has?
>>321318785
>shills on damage control
yes, try harder faggot.
>>321336707
>Everyone says PC is nothing but piracy
The Dreamcast had literally zero copy protection and it died a horrible death.
Honestly, I wouldn't stop cracking games if I had the knowledge to do it.
Looks like a fun and challenging activity to do. Basically every time they crack a game they are laying two games, one being the game itself and two being the process of cracking said game.
Remember when Denuvo shills pretended Lords of the Fallen wasn't a piece of broken shit?
>>321318785
They gave up because no relevant games are using it.
If relevant games use it, there will be a demand again and it will be cracked.
>>321335164
Aren't script extenders just .dll files that hook into and inject stuff into the game executable during runtime?
>>321338280
I dunno but w3 had literally no DRM and it did well for itself
>>321338378
That's what the scene group is, or used to be, all about actually. Fun, competition etc
>>321338493
I remember when they pretended it wasn't cracked, SCENE CRACKED nonetheless lol.
>>321338493
It was amusing watching the release stream the devs did - primarily because the game crashed a few times.
Funny how Denuvo games began to get cracked so much they had to take off the ''DAYS WITHOUT CRACK'' counter off their site, and even then, they completely ignored the DA:I crack.
>>321338493
They still do.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/265300/discussions/0/487877107136899606/
>>321338338
Except that it did (gd-rom) and was uncracked for a good while. The reason it died was mostly because it released inbetween 2 generations and only had niche games.
It was pretty much a wiiu.
>>321338727
>mfw all those ''Denuvo isn't a DRM, it's an Anti-Tamper System™'' posts
>>321337831
Because morons like the anon you're responding to think piracy is a zero-sum deal where we absolutely have to play the newest games and won't hesitate to shell out full price for an 'uncrackable' game. Those of his ilk will never understand what piracy is because they don't do it.
>>321339039
There was a guy here that kept claiming that for like 4 hours straight, it was funny just baiting him by claiming ''its drm, bro'' every half an hour or so
Maybe he was just trolling, but I was putting way less effort into my replies so I trolled him better :^)
>>321334486
>the industry is a bunch of mustache twirling bad guys so that gives me the right to steal!!
>>321338493
What I remember is when shills said a thousand times Denuvo didn't hit the performance. Then the game got cracked and it proved that Denuvo indeed had a negative effect in the performance leading the shills to a Defcon1 damage control situation until people forgot the game existed (which was like a week after the crack released).
>>321339039
Technically they are right. They stop people from cracking the actual DRM iirc
>>321339289
>and it proved that Denuvo indeed had a negative effect in the performance
It didn't.
>>321339362
which is....
>>321339289
Funny enough, Denuvo threads dissappeared after DA:I's crack, and only came back now.
I wonder what happened in-between.
Also kinda funny how the ''uncrackable'' DRM still hasn't managed to achieve the same amount of time without getting crack as Tom Clancy's HAWX 2 did.
>>321339289
There's some denuvo games that run alright though
Was it confirmed that AK ran like shit because of denuvo? Or at least partially because of it? Because from what I read Just Cause 3 has similar issues to AK so it might just be denuvo after all
>>321339039
The idea of anti-tampering systems is even worse than openly saying it's "ani piracy drm".
You straight up kill modding with denuvo.
>>321328630
You and anyone who believe this are as dumb as ubisoft think you are.
It's not hard to look at the tracker numbers of the most widespread torrent of a new game and see hard numbers of how many people are connected. Though that probably is too hard for anyone who holds your point of view.
>>321338727
>I was already way over 70+ hours into Mad Max, without knowing about it using Denuvo at the time of purchase. I'd lie if I said I wasn't slightly annoyed, upset because it was never mentioned on the store page. But I let it go
This shit right here is why video games are dying. Devs will always be greedy kikes, but stupid consumers are the true cancer.
>>321339443
>Tom Clancy's HAWX 2 did.
That's because no one cared about HAWX2, like, quite fucking literally, no one. In fact the first crack was done by some random guy who just decided to help out IIRC
A real test of fortitude is Chaos Theory, GREAT game, last a long time.
>>321339529
I'm baffled at the idea of someone playing more than 20 hours that shallow and generic Ubisoft-esque piece of shit.
I paid $10 for a Mad Max CD Key and I still feel scammed.
Not going to support a DRM that doesn't allow modding.
Last thing you can do with DRMs is avoid bothering me, so no, go fuck yourself.
>>321339645
The grinding is annoying as fuck but its a decent enough game if you are a fan of mad max and an auto enthusiast
Its also super fucking quotable, and the biggest slap into SJW faces of this year, even bigger than MGSV and W3
>>321335963
>the state of the industry isn't worth supporting
Then I hope you haven't played to completion any games you pirated. If you just played it for an hour or something and decided you didn't like it then that's more forgivable.
>>321339257
Yup, better give Snidely Whiplash your money for increasingly inferior products. Regardless of their quality or intrusiveness keep supporting them with your wallet!
>>321339372
>It didn't.
It did hit performance and it was shown to be able to fuck up SSDs in a matter of hours because of the constant decrypt and encrypt shit in the disk. It literally takes 2 seconds to look for this kind of information in google.
>>321340049
>constant decrypt and encrypt shit in the disk
Was this why arkham knight ran like shit from an HDD? Literally hit 0 fps for me
>>321336207
You are a disgusting piece of shit and you don't deserve to play video games.
I will vote for Hillary or whoever will establish the harshest controls on the Internet possible, total and complete surveillance, so fucks like you can rot in prison where you belong.
>>321319536
The exact same argument made for LotF
Man, shitposting is funny when you know it's shitposting
>>321339852
There's a lot of problems.
>for some reason, the map makes the world seem bigger than it actually is
>building up HQ's is tedious as fuck
>you are forced to improve the car, or you are locked out of advancing, thus you have to grind the shit out of everything
>after destroying convoys, the only thing you'll find around the world are just one or two cars
>most of the car combat becomes piss easy considering you can just rip out the wheels of the cars
>mindfield quests completely break the flow of the game
>storms are supposed to be moments where you get a grinding boost
>though if you get out of the car to break the crates, you'll most likely get killed by the debris, so you can only pick one crate
>all the boss fights were literally the same
>overused combat system
>>321340186
>I'll vote for this clueless cow instead of the man that will guarantee good relations with russia because I'm butthurt people got something for free
Fuck sake mate, get back to reality
>>321340186
Why would President Trump allow Hillary to do anything?
>>321339457
>>321340140
LotF definitely had a performance hit. And DA:I as well because I recall Bioware saying so themselves and then trying to justify using Denuvo. Not really sure about AK but considering how much flak the game's performance got I wouldn't be surprised if the game suffered the exact same problem.
>>321333542
Grey Dragon Dildo.
>>321340186
And when it's an opinion you hold dear that the establishment doesn't want people holding?
>>321339932
No one cares if you don't support the industry. But if you use their products, you're admitting that they do something worth supporting.
If the industry is so shit, it should be easy for you to just stop pirating games, right? After all, by your own admission, you're only pirating shit, and why would you want that?
>>321340249
All of that is just grinding shit I mentioned in my post except for the storm part. I never had any problems getting out of the car
>>321340389
Totally worth it.
>>321340347
It probably does because when I tried to play AK, during the first car chase scene my HDD usage went to 120% and even shadowplay broke.
Never experienced something quite like it, but I can say for certain people that support denuvo are straight idiots
No pirate = no buy.
>>321340049
great so youll be able to find a citation in 5 seconds, no problem. everytime i look its "well i heard from someone..."
>>321318785
>implying piracy will ever be dead
There will always be someone to take their place.
Cut off a head and two will grow in its place.
seems to me like its a device to kill modding masquerading as drm. we can't have people making their own fun unless its official paid dlc.
>>321340591
>I can't steal your product? Then I won't buy it either!
Pitatefags are the most delusional, entitled people I've ever met.
steam refunds also made crackers slow down
>>321340186
i hope this is a troll post because if not you are the most flustered person in 4chan history lmao
>>321340652
yep... cant stop that shit. publishers have been trying for decades
>>321340704
imo if a game cant be pirated its either always online (aka shit), so shit nobody bothered cracking it or on a console that isn't jailbroken yet (but will be soon, delicious ps4 exclusives for free yum yum bb)
no need to git mad tho
>>321338493
The shills got me very interested in the game, but since there wasn't a demo, i didn't get it
I pirated a couple of weeks ago, and now it is clear why they didn't want people doing that. The game is fucking shit.
>>321340791
that and origin has a 24hour refund policy with no questions asked
>>321340704
Whatev loser, at the end of the day WE hold all video game companies' future by the balls... Pirate have the true power....... You're nothing more than sheeple....
>>321340882
>origin has a 24hour refund policy with no questions asked
But I can buy and finish most of their games in that timespan
Are they that desperate for people to use origin more?
>>321318785
Let's imagine Denuvo existed years ago and Dark Souls had it
>Durante never creates DSFix because Denuvo doesn't let him
>No one buys Dark Souls on PC once they find out it's an unbelievably shit port with no fix
>With almost no sales whatsoever on PC, the platform is abandoned by From Software
>Skip ahead to Dark Souls 2 and SotFS
>No PC version because bad sales
According to several sources, well over 40% of sales for the Dark Souls series come from PC
>By this time From Software has lost out on 40% of the money they could have made
>Souls is deemed not very profitable
>Dark Souls 3 is never made
>Maybe Bloodborne too
This is what Denuvo does
>>321341014
but fromdrones would actually be glad if that happened
>>321341001
Yes
>>321340791
Why would those two things be connected?
>>321341001
They are. They also have very good customer service. They are trying to outdo steam in the handful of departments where it lacks because the core services are mediocre in comparison and they really want more sales.
I have to wonder if they are making more money by having their own platform and not having to give Valve a cut, or making less money because nobody wants to buy games on origin
>>321341202
>Why would those two things be connected?
People often pirate to try out a game, believe it or not. When they can just refund the real thing, no reason to pirate.
Of course that doesn't mean there isn't a demand for free video games or anything. Just less than before.
If anything all it has done is filter out the pretender groups who have no clue what they're doing.
>Not getting a Ph.D. in computer science and cybersecurity so you can become a God among pirates
>>321341014
That would have been fine, the only good game is Demon's Souls.
>>321341302
Pirate groups only do it to dickwave mate, it isn't about demand really, in fact plenty of scene groups have called pirates horrible people and so on
>>321341474
This. Cant wait for real skidrow/r1911 and reloaded, fairlight, deviance etc to come back in force
>>321341682
I played DeS to completion and DaS until moonlight butterfly and I already think DaS is better.
>>321340650
http://wccftech.com/batman-arkham-knight-denuvo-drm-culprit-performance-issues-pc/
Last part of that article talks about it, used this one because it talks about AK >>321340535 since this anon was wondering.
http://www.gulli.com/news/25172-denuvo-kopierschutz-zerstoert-geruechteweise-ssd-laufwerke-2014-11-21
And this one specifcally talks about the SSD problems.
>inb4 you are not okay with the links provided
If you were expecting a official statement from Denuvo developers saying that they fucked up big time you are out of your mind, so stop wasting my time and yours.
Well I wouldn't mind Denuvo if it means that a conclusion can finally be drawn about piracy.
