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Is he right?
Yes. For a consumer, the only purpose to an exclusive is to justify the purchase of a shitbox. Even then, the existence of exclusives means unless you own every single platform (which is both expensive and annoying) you cannot play all games.
>>320558697
>Lack of choices
poorfag can't afford to be idort
Is he going to cry because games aren't free too?
>>320558697
All I see is the ramblings of a soon-to-be-corpse, OP.
>>320558697
Competition is healthy for a growing market.
Company A wants to inspire to make a game as good as Company B if Company B has an exclusive game that people want.
>>320558912
He has everything, I think.
His core audience is /r/pcmasterrace-posters, even if he sees an amazing looking exclusive, he's hardly going to openly get excited about it for fear of losing views.
>>320559080
Could explain, don't really care about that dude.
If that's the case he's probably going to ignore that games never almost never release outside of windows and Steam
>>320559038
Except that only nintendo develop their own games in house. 2nd or 3rd party devs don't really have an incentive to develop games to shift consoles. Having all games on one platform would be much more beneficial. The market would still be competitive anyway.
Exclusives suggest better quality due to focusing all resources on a single version of the game.
Of course, that seems less true as time goes on.
>>320559038
>I'm happy to buy 5 dvd players to watch all my movies
Exclusives aren't the safety net of competiton you idiot
Platform exclusive games are always higher quality than multiplatform games.
>>320558697
The Kojima announcement was not about the game being a PS4 exclusive. Kojima's next game was already going to be a PS4 exclusive. But like most PC gamers, Totalbiscuit manages to find things to whine about in even the best of situations, just because it doesn't cater to him.
Some games only get made cause a company took the risk by funding it or helping to fund it.
and of course if that company is sony, microsoft, orr nitnendo they'll keep it exclusive to their platform.
So you should be happy they made the game exist in the first place, fuck off you ignorant pcucks
>>320559023
/thread
>>320558912
>being retarded
the devs are literally fucking themselves over.
>less exposure
>smaller customer base
>WAY WAY WAY less money
Only the platforms benefit from people being forced to buy the platform to play a handful of games in the final year or 2 of the consoles life. Only retarded mouth breathing fanboys even think they are worthwhile
>>320559319
Then why is red dead redemption the greatest game of last gen?
>>320559479
What are you even basing this on? You can't make a generalization like that
You fags told me he was dying what the hell
Still waiting
>>320559614
He is
In like 5 years or more
>>320559479
You're suggesting that halo 5 is a great game? A game being exclusive doesn't mean the design choices won't be terrible. It might just run a few fps higher than a multiplat. You're wrong and stupid and your opinion is terrible
>>320559298
On PC you have Intel, AMD and Nvidia competing for parts with infinite hardware choices. And then Valve create SteamBox because PC is too hard.
On consoles you have sony, MS and nintendo competing for all in a box console.
There's competition everywhere.
>>320559319
Indeed.
Although it's not like PC games are always optimized, there's still the possibility of simply brute forcing it. Consoles don't really have that. These days there can be a performance patch somewhere down the line for consoles as well, but as a rule if a game runs badly on console then it'll always run badly.
being exclusive is not inherently bad. It can lead to a much higher quality game since you only have to develop for one system, compared to two or three (or an infinite number on PC, since you can't plan for every kind of computer setup) which means you can optimize it for that platform quite well.
Whether or not the average developer will do that though is an entirely different matter.
This coming from the guy who was celebrating xcom2 being PC exclusive, he's not wrong but he is a massive hypocritical faggot
>>320558845
>which is both expensive and annoying
spoken like a true poorfag
>>320559023
Just like every single piece of information on the internet?
>>320559843
>infinite number
You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
>>320559843
>It can lead to a much higher quality game since you only have to develop for one system
Why do you people keep saying this? Plenty of exclusives are terrible and plenty of multiplats are good. There doesn't seem to be any basis for this supposed correlation thst keeps being spouted in this thread
typical pcuck
>>320558697
I see nothing wrong with console makers creating their own, exclusive games.
>lack of choice
You have more choices now than ever because everything is AAA multiplat garbage. Never before have two consoles been so utterly redundant, there's no reason to own both a PS4 and Xbone (or either because PC has the same shit too) because they share 95% of their games already.
Good exclusives mean I'm buying your console, multiplats mean I'm not and I'm playing on the best platform.
>>320559567
>less exposure
Not if your audience is on one console, see: the whole japanese market
>less money
Nintendo proves you wrong
>>320559080
>>320559243
Well, that's his business model. He has been talking about PC games almost exclusively since his WoW days.
He does have all the platforms and he did say he enjoyed Bloodborne just fine, he just said he didn't cover it on the channel exactly because his main public is PC exclusive.
>>320559860
Its good because we know it isn't dumbed down for consoles.
Raising someone elses son is only cheered by betas and the spawn-owners themselves. We dont cheer for lack of choice
>>320559843
>It can lead to a much higher quality game since you only have to develop for one system
Multiplats will have a higher budget to allow for this though
What did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2Tevkj2nQ
>>320558697
I see where he's coming from but if it's a good exclusive then of course you should be happy to own a console/pc its on
>>320560060
oh mario maker made more than fallout 4 did it?
>>320558697
He's assblasted because he bought the Xbox instead of Playstation
He'll get no sympathy from me. For a guy who is supposed to be involved in gaming, he certainly ought to know better. Since he didn't know better, we can confirm he's just a casual piece of shit that doesn't really play games, but just shits his pants and cries about them on Twitter
>>320559023
You could say that about anything someone has written or said.
>>320559975
>AAA multiplat run like shit
>Niche exclusive run flawlessly
>Niche multiplat run like shit everywhere because they don't have 500 people working for 3 years to make it work
>>320560060
>Nintendo proves you wrong
So many people who don't have a wii u would have bought smash, splatoon etc if it had been on other platforms. They could have made even more money. They are successful despite the fact that their games are exclusives, not because of it.
>>320559860
He wasn't exactly celebrating, he was just happy because it's an strategy game and the PC exclusivity will allow the devs to make the game better suited for PC, with better UI, more buttons, more precise controls, better native resolutions and mod support.
Also it's not like Xcom didn't give the consoles a try, they just didn't buy the game.
>>320559732
Halo 5 is garbage because it's a stripped-down shell of what Halo used to be.
It's missing any sort of offline functionality beyond solo campaign, the campaign is fucking 4 hours long and nothing happens, LAN is gone and the new gametype they're pushing features microtransactions. Halo stuck around for years because it was accessible and fun.
You could bring your console to a friend's house and play with multiple people, you could play online, you could make your own maps, you could set up huge LAN parties, etc. Half of Halo's features are just flat-out gone or are now being held hostage behind the gold paywall.
>>320559023
Fuck off, you wanker
>>320560038
>I see nothing wrong with console makers creating their own, exclusive games.
What is wrong with allowing more people to play those games though? You wouldn't be hurt by multiplats
>Good exclusives mean I'm buying your console
Exactly, without exclusives you wouldn't have to buy more than one system
>>320560260
He has all the modern platforms. He said so many times in podcasts and several tweets
>>320558697
>yfw he is the one behind the "Bring it to PC" petitions on Change.org
Pathetic. Maybe if he got off his fat ass and got a real job he could buy a PS4 like every other normal fucking American person
>>320559970
>not creating games for voodoo cards from the last century.
>not creating games for the vacuum tube computers decades past.
>>320560314
>honestly considered buying a wii to get MK and smash games
I just cant justify paying 300 to play 2 games. Its fucking retarded
>>320558697
Why is video game punditry so low level? Is it because only manchildren care about these people?
This is economy 101, competitive market 101, "what is killer app" 101, "why this fictional world doesn't exist" 101 etc 101.
>>320560238
It being exclusive isn't benefiting you at all really
>>320560314
>So many people who don't have a wii u would have bought smash, splatoon etc if it had been on other platforms
Doubtful, considering games like those never show up on other consoles at all and the ones that do don't sell particularly well.
>They are successful despite the fact that their games are exclusives, not because of it.
Nope, their exclusives made them a household name.
>>320559023
Cold like the grave.
>>320560415
>thinking tb doesn't own a ps4
>thinking he doesn't own every console and handheld
you're so retarded it's not even funny to make fun of you
Are people really cheering for the fact it's exclusive? Seems like people just celebrate the fact that Kojima has opened his own studio and is working on a new game.
>>320560287
You can have a niche game that runs well on multiple platforms, and a AAA game that runs like shit on one platform
>>320560470
>average console user
I hope that one day in the not-so-distant future, all games will be available on the PC so I don't have to waste my time unboxing my consoles for their yearly good games.
>>320558697
Absolutely, except if the original game has to be downgraded in any form to be ported to another platform.
>>320560550
If he owns them all then what is he crying about?
Other people's problems? You think he really cares about the Xbox crowd and their crybaby bullshit? Why would anyone care about what other gamers are crying over?
Clearly, he doesn't have a PS4
>>320560547
>Doubtful,
would X game sell more by being on 3 platforms instead of 1?
DOUBTFUL
ANON HAS SPOKEN THE TRUTH
If the company uses their money to develop a game for their console i don't see how that a problem, if they don't make it exclusive the competitor will make exclusives and now there is no reason to buy the one with no exclusives, just deal with it fucking commies.
>>320560567
Yes morons are
>>320560567
Aside from shitposters on here, nope. People were universally excited for Kojima's return, but people were getting pissy when they thought it might be a legitimate PS4 exclusive.
>>320560547
>Doubtful, considering games like those never show up on other consoles at all and the ones that do don't sell particularly well.
There is huge demand for smash, but not many people have a wii u, because it isn't worth buying a console for a handful of good exclusives. I'm sure even people in this thread would agree. If smash was on PC it would sell a shit ton.
>Nope, their exclusives made them a household name.
Their games made them a 'household name', not the fact that their games were exclusive.
>people really acting like a game reviewer and youtube personality didn't have an extra 400 bucks to shell out for another console
are you retards serious? he obviously has all the consoles
>>320558697
Nope, I own everything bar a Vita, so not only does it not bother me - I get to enjoy all the poorfag's tears that can't play it
If it was fully funded then it's also their product and they can do whatever they want with it; it wouldn't exist without them in any form. Shit is like telling parents they're holding their own child hostage. It really isn't fucking hard to understand
TB is just mad he spent he spent literally thousands of dollars on GPU's alone instead of his cancer treatment
This guy makes lot's of money, barely has to do anything to make it (upload gameplay videos with commentary of his ignorant opinions on videogames over it after the fact, so hard, that deserves thousands of dollars a month)
And he's bitching about not being able to play a game on a platform he can easily go buy
>>320558697
He's not right. Many of these "exclusives" are at least made to run on their respective machines. In Nintendo's case they usually actually make use of some of their fun gimmicks.
>>320560629
as long as you keep buying the consoles that's not gonna happen, retard
>>320558697
>we
>>320558697
Between consoles, which are already fairly similar, I agree that it is better for the consumer to have multiplats.
But bring PC and other non-similar devices into the equation and the variables between primary input method and technical capabilities mean that increasing amounts of development time has to be put in to accommodate each platform.
What happens when we put a flight sim on console or mobile? We either have to simplify the controls for the limited range of inputs or remove features to make it better suited to the limitations of the new platforms. Sure we could try to develop a middleground solution using menus or button combinations in order to squeeze out the extra necessary inputs we need to match our original platform but that's taking away from development time we could use to better serve the bulk of our intended users.
Not that TB is particularly worth listening to when it comes to being a consumer, Like many journalists he doesn't have to purchase many of his games.
>>320558697
Companies need incentives to give themselves an edge over their competitors. Exclusives are a perfectly reasonable method to do this.
Timed exclusives are absolutely retarded though. If you can't commit to full exclusivity, just don't fucking do it.
>>320558697
Nope. Cross-platform titles often need to made concessions to fit across all intended platforms. This can reduce the quality of a game. See: Supcom 2.
>>320560676
>Other people's problems?
Yes
>Clearly, he doesn't have a PS4
Are you retarded? He is a multi-millionaire, he has played games on PS4, and has said he has a PS4
>>320560410
>What is wrong with allowing more people to play those games though?
Video games are a business, Sony isn't going to spend their money developing a game and then hand it to Nintendo to release on their competing platforms as well.
>Exactly, without exclusives you wouldn't have to buy more than one system
>Have to
But I don't mind buying different consoles, I like the diversity and variation I get from owning different platforms. I get a different experience playing Nintendo's console than I do playing something on my PC or on another console. Having one device would make things too homogeneous and would not facilitate the explosion of creativity you somehow think it would.
So until you can figure out how to stop the video game industry from operating like any other business on the face of the planet does, you're shit out of luck.
>>320560864
>journalists
He isn't one
>>320560676
he's talking about the principle of exclusives and nintendo/sony/ms keeping devs on a leash
>>320560818
>only YOU can kill consoles
Individually we don't matter
>>320560976
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply he was one, just that they have the same problem.
>>320560482
It benefits you to own the console its on if its a good game. Because how else would you play it
>>320560708
The point is that consumers have no reason to celebrate the fact that a game is exclusive.
Only on /v/ would you find people who separate the poorfags and the richfags by literally one grand because everyone is broke here.
He has all the consoles.
>>320558697
I used to enjoy John's content back in 2010 when he mostly made WoW videos. Since he's morphed into this super-political ringleader of the most fucking retarded movement the internet has ever seen - PCMR - I can't tolerate anything he says.
He's constantly making decrees to his idiotic PCMR followers:
>Never preorder
>Exclusives are bad, no exceptions
>No fun whatsoever can be had at 30fps
>PC is the only valid platform to game on
>blah blah blah
He used to make such chill content like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhPOea_iMJQ
He's just totally lost the plot nowadays and panders to the worst parts of the PC gaming community. It's really sad, but whatever, he's so hateful and fundamentalist now I can't sympathise with him
>>320560789
>I get to enjoy all the poorfag's tears that can't play it
cunt
cry more
>>320561082
I'm also pretty sure he buys most of his games as and never had one of those fancy Steam accounts.
>>320558697
That's funny, because that's the opposite of what he said about Bayonetta 2.
>>320560864
>But bring PC and other non-similar devices into the equation and the variables between primary input method and technical capabilities mean that increasing amounts of development time has to be put in to accommodate each platform.
Not really. You just have to take in account a Kb+M input and the average controller input for game development, unless you have some niche title that requires an specific controller like guitar hero.
Or, to make your point moot, just make the control scheme configurable. Now you can play with your fucking dreamcast bass fishing rod and put in your own inputs.
>>320560792
>And he's bitching about not being able to play a game on a platform he can easily go buy
He is bitching about other people's problems, for their benefit, not his own. It doesn't make sense for him to be complaining personally, since he has a ps4. How can you people not understand this?
>>320559038
This
Oh man Sony's Bloodborune game sure is a system seller we should strive to make a game just as good so people can buy our Xbone!
This is healthy
>>320559435
When DVD player makers start getting movie licensing agreements so that DVD releases are exclusive for specific devices then you can talk
>>320561203
Are you seriously defending pre-ordering
what the shit is wrong with neo-/v/
>>320561276
Got a link senpai?
>>320560870
They could just make a better console than their oponnent.
>>320560864
>What happens when we put a flight sim on console or mobile
Who said anything about mobile? Bullshit argument
>>320561276
A game that couldn't have existed without Nintendo's funny money?
>>320560415
>Buying a 429.00 USD console that only has one (1) game worth buying.
no thanks
>>320561410
That would be too expensive.
>>320560192
Explains a whole bunch about why that sub is so disgusting and toxic. It's only a few steps up from coontown
>>320561317
He's doing it for approval from his viewers, the young and the poor who don't have access to all platforms.
>>320561147
>people on this board think they are rich cunts because they own all platforms
>they have empty bank accounts
>they have no life savings
>they are renting a flat
young people have no idea about money and I honestly hope all those faggots break their fucking leg and cant work for 8 months. They will end up on the streets sucking cock for food
>>320560952
>Are you retarded? He is a multi-millionaire, he has played games on PS4, and has said he has a PS4
Then why is he crying about "lack of choice" on Twitter?
Would it make him happier to play this on Xbox One? It seems like he actually has a preference, because he's doing a whole lot of crying over not having the game on Xbox. Must be a massive Xboxfag
>>320561317
because consolefaggotry is fucking huge on /v/
they seriously think that everyone is as poor as they are and that people with actual jobs can't afford an extra 400 dollars over the courage of 5 years and so they just assume that if you hate exclusives you must be a ps4/xbone/vita/3dsfag
I am a Mexican idort so i don't give a fuck
But exclusives are important, who would fucking buy Nintendo consoles if it wereren't for exclusives?
>>320561203
>Never preorder
>Exclusives are bad, no exceptions
>No fun whatsoever can be had at 30fps
>PC is the only valid platform to game on
This is all true. Care to explain why it is not?
>>320561317
And certain exclusive games wouldn't exist without nintendo or sony's or microsoft's funding, unless it's a timed exclusive that would exist anyway and some company just paid them to time it on their console.
So celebrate the fact nintendo paid for the development of bayonetta 2, cause otherwise it wouldn't exist on any platform
Celebrate Bloodborne got funded by Sony, otherwise it wouldn't exist on any platforrm
And pc isn't going to make game's exist, who's gonna fund the development? gabe? lel no
>>320560767
>There is huge demand for smash, but not many people have a wii u
It's on 3DS as well and has sold twice as many copies there.
>If smash was on PC it would sell a shit ton.
Smash is already on PC, It's called Project M and emulation. Most "serious" players prefer Melee/PM to the new one anyway, so I'd argue most of the audience on PC wouldn't want to shell out $60 for Smash 4 when they already have PM for free, and they like it a lot more.
>Their games made them a 'household name', not the fact that their games were exclusive.
In order to play their, games, people had to buy the platform. Yes, making their games exclusive solidified them as a household name. People liked the games, but if they had been on all other platforms the Nintendo brand as a whole likely would not have grown nearly as much as it did/has. The NES, GB and SNES were successful because they had exclusives, not because they shared titles with Sega's console.
>>320559863
No one ever got rich by spending lots of money
>>320560972
>Video games are a business, Sony isn't going to spend their money developing a game and then hand it to Nintendo to release on their competing platforms as well.
It doesn't benefit you or anyone else, it benefits sony. Why do you care about some companies profits? They don't care about you.
>But I don't mind buying different consoles
So you would buy different consoles if they all had identical games? There would be no point anyway, since you would just buy everything on PC
> I get a different experience playing Nintendo's console than I do playing something on my PC
How
>explosion of creativity
Not saying that, only that it would save us money
>>320560549
hi /s/
>>320559023
Aren't we all?
>>320561472
Not everything is a vain attempt to garner more youtube bucks man.
Christ you fucks are paranoid.
yes, they clearly only exist to sell consoles. the games themselves are doomed to death, regardless of quality. hell if the original xbox 360 was the only version ever made in about 5 years all of them would be broken.
>>320561098
But if it was a multiplat it would be on every platform
>>320561337
>When DVD player makers start getting movie licensing agreements so that DVD releases are exclusive for specific devices then you can talk
Way for the point to fly right over your head. It wouldn't happen because it's retarded. It only happens in video games because the market is so young it has no concept of consumer interest, so they defend the nickel and dining practices of their favorite companies
>>320561203
>defending preorders
>defending frame cap
this is such a shit board
Kind of.
It sucks having to limit your choices based on what platform you have, but competition is pretty important, and we need it.
>>320561681
Haahahaha. Fucking hell.
>>320561203
>content
Motherfucker it's a video.
>>320561431
This applies to almost all of Nintendo's exclusives, I don't see how you can fault a console maker for creating games only for the console they're making. It makes absolutely zero sense for them to spend their time and money developing games for their competition.
>anti-consumer blah blah blah
The alternative is often that the game doesn't get made at all if it's not exclusive.
>>320561740
If sony funded 100% of lionsgate's next movie then it be fine for it to be exclusive to Sony Blu-ray Players.
The analogy doesn't work.
>>320558697
Completely.
>>320561540
>Smash is already on PC, It's called Project M and emulation. Most "serious" players prefer Melee/PM to the new one anyway, so I'd argue most of the audience on PC wouldn't want to shell out $60 for Smash 4 when they already have PM for free, and they like it a lot more.
people would literally throw money at nintendo for official supported games on PC like smash and mario kart, add some paid skins, alt costumes, map packs and nintendo is losing a whole lotta money
>>320561136
Bullshit, why should i not celebrate i'm getting a new game for my console of choice? Why shouldn't i celebrate the company that owns said console is making a game i want to play? I should feel bad for other people that don't have the same console i have? Am i hurting his feelings if i'm having fun with my exclusives? If he wants a product he should buy the meanings to enjoy that product, am i wrong? I'm happy with my product as a costumer, why should i give a fuck if someone else is not happy with his product?
>>320561520
They're all stated as unbreakable rules with no exceptions and his followers parrot it all over the internet without an ounce of critical thought. There's other sides to each of those rules, but PCMRs aren't usually interested in hearing about it or aren't mature enough to realise there's always two sides to things
Preorders are useful for people with slow internet connections (such as myself) so they can preload games. In the age of 40-50GB games, preorders are a blessing.
Exclusives are sometimes good because frequently it's the difference between games not being made or being exclusive (SFV, all the upcoming Oculus Games, etc)
60fps is preferable to 30fps always, but 30fps is fine
Saying PC is only the valid platform to game on is self-evidently autistic, I shouldn't need to explain it
Totalbiscuit's current audience is young and stupid as fuck, I'm disappointed he's sunk so low
>>320561337
>When DVD player makers start getting movie licensing agreements so that DVD releases are exclusive for specific devices then you can talk
What is Blu-Ray?
>>320558697
No. When it's not an exclusive then shit like console parity comes into play. A game shouldn't suffer just so that "everyone should be able to play" it fags can be happy.
>>320560317
The point is he was happy it was a PC exclusive. He only gets asspained whenever something he wants doesn't come to pc
>>320561681
reminder that people on /v/ legitimately think the illuminati is funding a multi-game, multi-site viral marketing campaign over the past 10 years to empower SJWs and the indie market because Undertale won a game poll
people on here legitimately believe that
>>320559023
Like any of us, you mean?
>>320561559
I think a lot of people have actually.
>>320561484
>Must be a massive Xboxfag
You have no idea who we're talking about, do you?
Why does TotalBiscuit care if Kojima's game is exclusive?
It's not like he will be playing it on any platform.
>>320561875
an outright upgrade to DVD...
Are you honestly retarded like not jokingly /v/ retarded but legitimately retarded and have learning disabilities?
>>320561925
Why are you falling for memeposting?
Exclusive games kind of suggest a higher budget without being bloated.
>>320561965
>Why does TotalBiscuit care if Kojima's game is exclusive?
Because he REALLY REALLY wanted to play it on his Xbox One or Wii-U apparently, even though he owns a PS4
I don't buy this whole bullshit story that he's sticking up for other people.
MN9 failed because it's multiplatform and not steam exclusive like at the start.
Had they put all the money on a steam exclusive we would have had a good game
>>320561965
Of course he'll still play it, he'll just not mention it on Twitter because it would enrage his religiously anti-console audience
>>320561540
>It's on 3DS as well and has sold twice as many copies there.
And it could sell even more if it was on PC
>Smash is already on PC, It's called Project M and emulation. Most "serious" players prefer Melee/PM to the new one anyway, so I'd argue most of the audience on PC wouldn't want to shell out $60 for Smash 4 when they already have PM for free, and they like it a lot more.
Most people aren't willing to get into project M, they just want to play the new game like everyone else.
>In order to play their, games, people had to buy the platform. Yes, making their games exclusive solidified them as a household name. People liked the games, but if they had been on all other platforms the Nintendo brand as a whole likely would not have grown nearly as much as it did/has. The NES, GB and SNES were successful because they had exclusives, not because they shared titles with Sega's console.
Their games being exclusive didn't benefit anyone except them, so why are you defending them? They would have become popular by now without exclusives easily
>>320561925
>im the same guy that still hasnt playued FO4 and think you kill your son or nuke boston
>>320561965
Are you implying that there are no video games in Heaven?
>>320562041
its not m8
people on /v/ are just that dumb
anywhere else on the internet and I would assume it was a joke. Not here.
>>320561559
Isn't that how the stock market and gambling works? Not a good way to do it but people have done it.
>>320561415
Why? He says 'Regardless of platform'. It was the most extreme comparison but demonstrates how far the platform differences can go. The limited inputs is why many games wouldn't work well on mobile and the same holds true for niche titles that were born on PC where input variety isn't limited to a controller, a wheel or a waggly stick.
>>320561621
>So you would buy different consoles if they all had identical games?
I don't own a PS4 or Xbone because they have no exclusives I want. I have a PC. I buy consoles when they have games I want. When there are several near-identical products out there, typically one thrives while the others fade away. Whereas with three similar products that fill a similar role but in a slightly different way compete, there can be room for everyone as all products offer something their competition does not. Competition encourages creativity and forward-thinking, it encourages innovation.
>E-e-everyone should make everything for everyone!
Again, the solution is to somehow stop the video game industry from operating as any other business on the planet would, so good luck with that one, Champ. Exclusives are fewer and further between than they've ever been, so I don't know what you're bitching about. PS4/Xbone are as homogeneous as any two consoles have ever been.
>>320558697
>I hate when companies compete with eachother
When companies compete it is always a win for the consumer.
Do you think Bloodborne would have been made if it couldn't have been a Sony exclusive? Some of the best games out there are exclusives, and they probably wouldn't exist if all games existed on all platforms.
Major publishers like Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo would have much less motivation to pump out games directly from them.
Yes. I don't give a shit when a PC game gets a console release. I just want the fucking games on PC.
I don't understand why people who enjoy consoles get buttblasted when other people want their favorite console's games on other platforms.
>>320561965
how do you know this is about kojima?
>>320562212
Much like most of the GG fiasco, right?Take a break from 4chan anon.
>>320561845
If exclusives didn't exist we would only have to buy one platform
>why should i give a fuck if someone else is not happy with his productYou're a bit of a cunt
You literally lose nothing by going PC only
>>320562334
Keep up dude
this twitter rant all started when Kojima announced his deal with Sony
Never seen him bitch about Nintendo or Xbox exclusives.
In fact, he always awards console of the year to Nintendo, because of it's exclusives.
Seriously, TB, just admit that you can't stand Sony.
>>320562302
>I don't understand why people who enjoy consoles get buttblasted when other people want their favorite console's games on other platforms.
I have zero problem. If you care about core gaming east or west the number one priority is getting the best ROI possible for the games we like.
We're all on the same ship here and it is taking on a lot of water.
>>320558697
Some games only exist because they were funded to be an exclusive in some sense
See Street Fighter V
>>320562383
just any game worth playing is all. enjoy your retro indie games about homosexuality and furfaggotry
I always wondered why there isn't some singular machine that can play all games.PC ain't the answer either, since not all games work on all PCs depending on your graphics card or your OS or whatever.
Imagine how much easier it would be if there was just ONE machine per generation that games could be played on. No more console wars and everyone has access to every game. You could judge games based on their merits, not on their console.
There would still be competition, since if you want a game to succeed it has to be good enough to stand out from literally every single game from here on. Imagine have Smash Bros and Playstation All Stars had to be on the same machine. Do you think Sony would of made the game differently to compete?
>>320562290
>Sony competes with Microsoft by dooming games to low sales
nice
Seems AssCancerMan has decided to spend his last few years crying about exclusives.
Truly the masterrace of our time.
multiplatform games are trash designed to run on lowest common denominator hardware.
if you take a console exclusive and fix it up to play on a different platform you're ruining the game. PS3 games are the best looking games from last gen specifically because they were built with one platform in mind. If The Last of Us had to run on the Wii it would look and play like shit. Just look at that broken version of Guilty Gear PC users got last week.
>>320562136
Why not? That's how he makes his money, by being pro consumer and making videos to inform the consumer. Sure it can all be hogwash and he really doesn't care, but for someone who doesn't care he really stuck with it.
>>320561840
>nintendo is losing a whole lotta money
Kay, keep telling yourself that.
Nintendo releasing stuff on other platforms means Nintendo is downsizing and is not producing what they would if they had their own platform. It means Nintendo doesn't have the control they want, they do not have the final say on what gets made and how it gets made. It means Nintendo is a publisher and nothing more, it means whatever the platform holder says goes.
>>320562497
>Bloodborne
>low sales
Wew lad
>>320561559
>>320561934
>>320562223
>No one ever got rich by spending lots of money on themselves
fixed
>>320558697
Yeah no.
Can you imagine if the SNES and Genesis had the exact same libraries? The PS1 and N64?
Exclusives have always been an important part of gaming.
>>320562419
>keep up
I dont care about eceleb controversies but didnt kojima announce that like 2 days ago?
>>320562383
but you do. You miss out on the chad and mainstream market as well as all the kids whos mommies still buy them games
>>320562275
>Whereas with three similar products that fill a similar role but in a slightly different way compete, there can be room for everyone as all products offer something their competition does not.
Imagine how much better things would be if consoles didn't exist
>E-e-everyone should make everything for everyone!
Not what I said
>Again, the solution is to somehow stop the video game industry from operating as any other business on the planet would, so good luck with that one, Champ.
I only said that was the best case scenario, not that it was feasible. Also, you talk like a cunt
>>320562452
Poor example my friend. Thinking Capcom would never make another Street Fighter without Sony's money is insane.
>>320562586
>bloodborne sold more than FO4
whatever helps you sleep fanboy
>>320562587
Doesn't going to school and do paid training count as spending money on yourself?
>>320562657
>I dont care about eceleb controversies but didnt kojima announce that like 2 days ago?
Yes
We were sitting here, enjoying the good news, when it was brought to our attention that this cancer-ridden fuckboy had a problem with Kojima and his goals, because "muh Xbox"
>>320561840
Nintendo isn't losing money. They are just not making that much money. There's a difference.
>>320562587
what is a gold digger
>>320562649
>Can you imagine if the SNES and Genesis had the exact same libraries? The PS1 and N64?
Then there would be only one console. Better for everyone, they would buy one system to play every game. Now, there would only be PC if exclusives didn't exist, so again, better for everyone.
>>320562753
Sold more on one platform than Dark Souls did across 3
>>320561520
>Never preorder
He's right in this, especially when it comes to digital storefronts
>Exclusives are bad, no exceptions
Literally the only people saying that are people angry that the game didn't come out on the platform they like.
Let's compare Rise of the Tomb Raider with Street Fighter V and XCOM 2
The reason Tomb Raider got such a backlash over exclusivity was because the game was going to be on Xbox One, a console that thanks to Microsoft bad decision of adding Always-on DRM ended up gaining the hate of the entire internet.
Now let's look at SFV, which was released for PS4 and PC, but skipped Xbox One, most people didn't get angry, because the Xbox One was fairly unpopular at the time among the core community, so no real loss.
Same with XCOM 2, It's going to be a PC exclusive, but you don't see anyone complaining, mostly because they favor the PC as a gaming platform over the Xbox or the PS4.
>No fun whatsoever can be had at 30fps
He's pretty much over blowing it with this, as someone who played games like Red Dead Redemption, Vanquish, The Last of Us and GTA V when they released on console, they were quite playable, and rarely got any drops.
It's when the framerate is really unstable and starts hitting 15-20 and below that it gets annoying (See Fallout 4 on Xbox One).
>PC is the only valid platform to game on
Subjectivity in all It's glory. The only unvalid gaming platform has always been mobile (Because the interface in those devices doesn't allow for more than simple casual games or cash grab-ville games).
>>320562457
>believing this
Also last time I checked they were porting this dumb shit onto console for double and triple the price
>>320558697
>company funds a game's development
>they shouldn't be allowed to lay down stipulation for THEIR investment
Fuck off, retard. Die of ass cancer already.
>>320562267
If exclusives didn't exist, consoles would have no reason to exist and everything would be on PC. Problem solved
>>320562208
>Are you implying that there are no video games in Heaven?
Twitter ragers that tell people to get cancer and die don't go to heaven
>>320562847
because dark souls is a fucking meme game that only recently got a lot of attention. If DS 3 doesnt outsell BB Ill eat my own shit
>>320562753
Good job proving you're stupid.
It makes sense to develop exclusives only if you expect that the competing platforms can't handle the technical requirements that you want.
PS4 vs Xbone exclusives make no sense; PC vs Console exclusives does. In fact, I don't see why people think Sony vs Microsoft competition is inherent to game development competition. The reason we get consoles that are shit is because they know that they can just fight on software instead of hardware.
>>320561870
>buying a game that might have problems is OK because I can download it before its released. It doesn't matter if its a unoptimized pile of gltichy garbage, at least I'll get to figure that out on my own since I didn't wait for 3rd party reviews.
wew
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wew
>>320562763
>>320562763
More like investment
>>320562947
God doesn't send you to hell for telling an asshole to get cancer and die, you dumb dumb.
>>320562192
Well you'd better e-mail Nintendo then, since you've clearly got it all figured out.
>Their games being exclusive didn't benefit anyone except them, so why are you defending them?
>Corporations, man! They only benefit themselves, man! I just finished my first semester at community college, my professor really opened my eyes!
Seriously though, their financial success meant they could expand and make more games, the scope of what they could create grew both in terms of volume and game design itself.
Again, video games are a business, so until that simple fact stops being true, you're shit out of luck.
>>320562910
thats not what hes saying you retard, he is saying that cheering for the fact that a game is an exclusive is retarded and it is
>>320562730
Okay Bayonetta 2
>>320562649
Are you retarded, m8? No exclusives would mean consoles like that wouldn't even exist. It would all just get released on PC and everyone could play anything they wanted on one piece of hardware.
>>320562958
>a fucking meme game
That's like calling somebody a witch because you're afraid of them
It doesn't even mean anything, because it's not even actually a real thing
>>320563008
>ad hom
>no point
>no relevance
>calling others stupid
>>320563047
Is that not spending money on yourself though?
>>320558697
He is dying. Why the fuck he keeps getting mad at video games? He should be doing more important shit like spending time with his relatives and friends or traveling,
>>320558697
>no exclusives allowed
>literally fanning console war flames
Its like this faggot doesnt know what hes babbling about
>>320562939
Well if we look on the bright side, when console manufacturers entice developers to make exclusive games that's usually with some form of subsidy that wouldn't necessarily exist on PC.
>>320558697
No, because without exclusives, consoles would have no reason to exist, and without consoles there would be less money being spent in the video game market to try and make money. Without consoles, a large number of the exclusives simply wouldn't exist, either because the team couldn't acquire funding or development support.
>>320563087
Are you retarded? PCs were shit for gaming when those consoles existed
>>320558697
Who?
>>320562136
>I don't buy this whole bullshit story that he's sticking up for other people.
This. Especially with TB not making a fuss about XCOM 2 being a PC exclusive because "reasons". He is clearly only self-interested and will only bitch and throw up a fuss if the game he's interested in is not on the PC.
It's funny that he defends Bayonetta 2's exclusivity because it wouldn't exist without Nintendo's funding but fails to grasp that the same might be true for Kojima's game and Sony's funding. Again, he is only self-interested.
Remember, exclusivity is only bad if the platform its not exclusive on is the PC.
>>320562705
>Imagine how much better things would be if consoles didn't exist
No competition at all is always bad.
If no consoles existed, we'd have what we have now, just on PC and likely worse since there would be zero alternative beyond illegal pirating. Steam would be exactly what consoles are right now, with paid online, ads everywhere and DLC out the ass.
>>320563146
School is gonna make you more money one way or another, buying entertainment stuff for the pure purpose of entertaining yourself will not.
>>320563128
sorry you got triggered but the game was extremely niche until all the praise the sun bullshit blew up on reddit and now with the latest installment BB its borderline dudebro tier
>>320559435
Except that's not the right analogy
Complaining about exclusives is like complaining about a HD-DVD not working in a blu ray player
>>320563063
I'm saying that no exclusives would benefit us, not companies
>Corporations, man! They only benefit themselves, man! I just finished my first semester at community college, my professor really opened my eyes!
What are you even trying to say here?
>Seriously though, their financial success meant they could expand and make more games, the scope of what they could create grew both in terms of volume and game design itself.
They could easily make money without exclusives. They would sell more copies if their games weren't just on one platform.
> video games are a business, so until that simple fact stops being true, you're shit out of luck
I'm not saying that no exclusives is feasible, only that its the ideal scenario
>>320558697
We are all cheering for cancer though.
>>320563135
>needing to prove such an obvious point
>being this stupid
I'm so sorry, man.
>>320563164
He is making as much money as he can before he dies
Why do you guys actually dislike TB?
>inb4 muh e-celeb
>>320563021
Games like Black Ops 3 are about the safest preorder you can make. I'm happy to get the opportunity to preorder a 50GB game, and be able to play at launch against the extremely small chance that it might be bad. And if it is bad, I can return it. I can't possibly lose in this situation.
That's my point about TotalBiscuit's 'unbreakable commandments' about gaming - they're so simplistic and juvenile. There's so much more nuance than he makes out but he's basically the Taliban of PC gaming. No room for shades of grey, anything against his set of rules is forbidden
He's completely gone off the deep-end in the past few years in pursuit of the PCMR dollar, and I can't respect him any more
>>320562649
Yes I can imagine, it would have been great, I would have been able to own the exclusives my friends would talk about and they'd be able to own the ones I had.
Without having to go to each other's house or buy a whole new fucking console.
How can exclusives ever be a good thing? Look at the recent tomb raider, failed in sales so dramatically that I believe they just don't even want to talk about it anymore.
>>320563367
>ad hom
>no point
>no relevance
>>320563406
because /v/ hates /v/irgins that get popular
>>320563312
consoles are basically locked down low-end pcs at this point. you're an idiot if you don't realize that porting most games is a fairly simple process by now.
>>320563406
He is the epitome of r/PCMasterrace.
It's clear that he doesn't even like video games, and the same can be said for everyone who plays on PC
>>320563257
Xcom 2 not being on consoles meant that it wouldn't be watered down or casualised
>self-interested
What do you mean
>>320558697
But it creates more competition in the market. Look at Nintendo, they try to innovate and usually the consoles are created to match their exclusives. So if they had to create a piece of hardware that was universal, then all the consoles would be basivally the same and there would be no room for innovation for the hardware except for hardware updates. Remember folks, competition in the economy is good, creates quality products
>>320563173
His entire business is fanning console war flames and stoking controversy. Shitposts like this are simply looking after his bottom line. Every 5k upvoted bullshit article on /r/Games is thousands of dollars in the bank
>>320563306
Well that should have been said at the start instead of really bad analogies.
>>320563237
How was it shit? The consoles were just shitty computers. Because no games? It wouldn't have been shit if it were not for console exclusives. All of those games you're thinking of would have been the same or better on PC. Hell, I had Mega Man X4 on PC before I got a PS1 and it was damn fine.
>developers only have to optimize for one system
>complete backwards compatibility forever
>no overpriced shit hardware
>play any game you want with one system
The only extra hardware you'd ever have to buy would be controllers.
But instead I'm here stuck owning 10 obsolete mini computers so I can continue to play my old games.
>>320563532
>it uses an x86 processor so you can just click a button and it's ported
you're fucking retarded
>>320563406
I dont hate him. I dont even know who he is really. I never seen one of his videos or anything. As far as I know hes the 60fps guy
>>320563457
Consoles add another layer of competition, competitors competing is always better for consumers
Notice how every post defending exclusives always focuses on the benefits on part of the companies and not the consumers
>>320563550
Xcom 2 is turn based, there is nothing consoles could do to casualize it
>>320563532
>you're an idiot if you don't realize that porting most games is a fairly simple process by now.
Says random anonymous /v/ shitposter with no AAA ports to his name or any experience in game development at all
>>320563652
T H I S
the amount of shills in this thread are insane
>>320558697
Sure, if you think a lack of competition breeds good quality products.
Anyone mind telling me when that has ever been the case in the history of humanity? Those Wal-Marts a Gamestops doing well for you vs. all those stores they put out of business? Fucking hell if you think the industry is terrible now, just imagine a world with one console.
Anyway why the fuck does TB make irrational arguments a poorfag would make? The guy probably makes 10x what I do with his internet shit and even I have all three consoles and a PC.
>>320563304
>paid online
How do you organize that on PC?
>ads everywhere
There already are, depending on how you see things
> DLC out the ass
Already happened
Its mainly good because we can play whatever we want without having to pay for consoles. Steam really does need a competitor though.
>>320563550
>Xcom 2 not being on consoles meant that it wouldn't be watered down or casualised
XCOM reboot is inherently casual and watered down.
>>320563064
>he is saying that cheering for the fact that a game is an exclusive is retarded and it is
Questioning why and blaming the big bad, evil cowpowations is just as retarded and makes whomever is doing it look like they're still a teenager. We all know corporations exist solely to make money, and pretending the game industry could suddenly stop and would abolish the very principles on which a business operates is hilariously stupid.
As far as 3rd-party exclusive deals go, I can see complaining about that when it's literally just a matter of money, that one company just paid to have it exclusive. However, at the same time, that games is more likely to perform and play well because it's designed solely for one platform and to take advantage of its unique hardware (when that used to actually be a variable.)
Games made by the platform-maker have no business being multiplat in the first place, because it makes zero fucking sense to develop a game for your competition. Nothing wrong with Nintendo keeping Mario on their platforms, we might not have Mario at all if that weren't the case and Nintendo was simply publishing for someone else.
>>320561352
What the fuck is with restaurants and their reservation shilling? I'm sick of these fucking reservation bonuses, I want to get my table at the same time as everyone else.
>>320563674
>implying you do
post resume faggot
>actually posts resume>its burch
>>320563550
>Xcom 2 not being on consoles meant that it wouldn't be watered down or casualised
And here's the excuse they all throw around, solely because the title we are talking about is a PC exclusive. Double standards.
Funny that you talk about "casualization". Last thing I checked, MOBA's largely exist primarly on the PC. Also, the "it has to consider controller interface" excuse is only half-true, and is hardly applicable to a turn-based game such as XCOM.
>Self-Interested
As in acting towards the interests of himself as a PC gamer.
>>320563753
Pandering to his audience, silly.
>>320563312
"Why do we need an HD DVD player AND a bluray player just to watch all of the movies? That's dumb"
Pretty sure that's how that would go when complaining about exclusives.
>>320563446
>Games like Black Ops 3 are about the safest preorder you can make.
https://www.techpowerup.com/217308/black-ops-iii-12-gb-ram-and-gtx-980-ti-not-enough.html
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/766659-Black-Ops-3-memory-leak-problem-cpu-clock-going-down
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/call_of_duty_black_ops_3_has_a_lot_of_performance_issues/1
The game with memory leak on launch was a safe bet?
Are you sure?
Really?
Consoles and PC gaming are two sides of the same coin.
One cannot exist without the other.
>yfw TotalBiscuit wasted the last months of his life shitposting on behalf of literally renting games on steam
PC has been shit for nearly 15 years. Literally the only advantage of PC gaming today is framerate and resolution, at the cost of worthwhile exclusives, convenience, and community of consoles.
There's a reason why people become jaded and hate gaming after coming to PC. All PC fags do is jerk off to tech, play mobile tier indieshit and early access cancer, and multiplats.
Look at any steam threads and they barely play, let alone finish their games. They just play the same shitty handful of meme games for thousands of hours
>>320563753
yes because the sales of HARDWARE should warrant competition between SOFTWARE
>>320563646
The benefit to use from no exclusives is greater than the slight increase in competition though
>>320563674
They literally said the PS4 is a super charged (lol) PC when they first announced it. I'm pretty sure they said they did that to make porting easier as well.
>>320563674
This. I'm a programmer for a AAA studio and every platform has to have its own QA, certification fees, etc. The convergence of architectures in this latest generation (excluding the WiiU) makes things a bit easier tech wise - but there are still lots of hoops to jump through.
>>320563806
>limited supply of tables
>unlimited supply of digital distribution
great analogy youngfriend
>>320563808
I don't have any experience in AAA games either, but I have worked in programming for 10 years and people who say 'I'm sure it's really simple' are usually the dumbest of the bunch and hilarious wrong 99% of the time
>>320563652
Exclusives mostly benefit the companies but when the manufacturer is trying to build the library they do help the developer acquire some extra funding, help with development or PR.
That can sometimes translate into a better product for consumers on that platform.
Whether that platform is good for consumers in it's own right is a different question though.
>>320563629
>>developers only have to optimize for one system
They also have to optimize for multiple systems rather than knowing the technology of one
>>320563934
>bandwidth is unlimited
>>320563652
mine didn't faggot
>>320563220
>>320563837
And MOBA's are still more complex than any RTS released for consoles, what's your fucking point?
>>320561559
Ya have to spend money to make money, m8t.
Do you even investment turnovers?
>>320563861
I have a 980/4790k and didn't notice any issues. Twitch was also full of PC players without issues on launch day. These kind of issues are usually way overblown. Even if it didn't work properly I could have returned it and would have been no worse off than before.
>people say that gaming PCs are unnecessarily expensive
>PC users are the poorfags
wait what
>>320563971
>Whether that platform is good for consumers in it's own right is a different question though.
yes, and that's the question being asked, not how devs or companies are going to benefit from it but how consumers are going to benefit from it.
>>320563629
>developers only have to optimize for one system
>complete backwards compatibility forever
>no overpriced shit hardware
>play any game you want with one system
Yup, and DLC was going to be like an expansion, fresh content made after the base game was complete to both keep players interested and to expand the game's world, story, etc. after release. Totally pro-consumer!
No competition is always bad. Period.
>>320558697
he's 100% correct
also sonyggers will still be the only people in this thread disagreeing because that's what they do
>>320563768
It isn't as watered down as it would have been if it was on consoles
>>320563837
>As in acting towards the interests of himself as a PC gamer.
You know that he has all of the consoles right?
>MOBA's largely exist primarly on the PC
And what do consoles have that can compete with even LoL?
You could literally find videos on youtube of kids in the single digit age bracket putting together a PC, without any help.
It blows my mind that /v/ is full of grown men that still haven't built their own. Even women are capable of putting together a rig, so why haven't you?
>>320564006
>preordering means I dont have to download my games
>>320564030
Pretty sure RTS genre is dead, bub.
>>320564028
>games reduced to mid-budget passion projects competing through innovation instead of bloated triple-A development shitting out mediocre rehashes
This is how it should be
>>320564178
>so why haven't you?
PC gaming is shit.
>>320564121
Pc faggots are the poor fags since they beg for every game to come to their platform, then they either torrent it or buy it at 90% off
>>320563753
>competition argument again
Its a tiny benefit compared to the one we would get if we didn't have to pay for every console if we wanted to play every game that comes out
>one console
I was thinking no consoles
>why the fuck does TB make irrational arguments a poorfag would make
He fights for your freedom
>>320564159
>It isn't as watered down as it would have been if it was on consoles
Yeah, they would've added regenerating health and auto-win button.
Stop shilling your casual parody of Ufo Defense already.
>>320564219
>I dont play (insert genre here) therefore its dead
>>320564178
I don't want to be a part of PC community.
>>320564356
>He fights for your freedom
He fights for his bank balance, he doesn't give a shit about you. It just so happens that 'fighting for PC gaming' happens to be extremely lucrative
BAIN?
>>320564218
Preordering means you can download them ahead of time so they're ready at launch (just like reserving a table has it ready for you when you get there (ideally))
Reservations help restaurants by organizing when people get tables, pre orders help distributors by allowing downloads to be spread out rather than have millions of people downloading on launch
>>320564150
What's the competition that makes things better? 2 games can compete in 1 platform and hardware companies like nvidia and amd are always trying to get one up on the other but pc games still run on them, what's the needed competition you're referring to?
>>320564356
You're retarded if you think companies competing isnt a huge benefit
>>320564128
Well if you really wanted voice acting in game X but the developer couldn't fit it into the budget until Nintendo or someone gave them the money to do so in exchange for being exclusive that could be a good thing for you assuming that was your platform of choice before.
So I guess it's good for some consumers and not others. The smaller the competitions userbase, the less consumers suffer from exclusivity.
Ideal situation would then be to remove platforms, removing any chance of this benefit or detriment in the first place.
>>320563841
Do you really think TB cares about his audience? Remember 'get cancer and die'? He just talks shit to them now, he doesn't care anymore
>>320564395
No, it's literally dead, they're not making RTS games anymore.
>>320564150
I don't understand what you're talking about. How is there no competition when everything is on one system? There would still be different developers and publishers competing with each other. CPU/GPU manufacturers would also still be competing with each other as far as hardware is concerned. It wouldn't change a fucking thing competition wise. Your DLC argument is also dumb. Consoles are the ones that started that shit. DLC was expansions before consoles completely fucked it up.
How are you guys so fucking stupid?
>>320564493
>implying you cant pirate the preload
>>320564178
Building a PC was one of the biggest waste of money I've ever spent
>>320564491
its about time you showed up
was the shitposting a part of your plan?
>>320564470
You can game on a PC and not be part of the spectacularly shit community
>>320564567
He even disabled comments on his videos because he hates his viewers so much. He resents his subs so much he doesn't even want to hear from them and has hired people to read all his social media so he doesn't have to
>>320564335
>"Enjoy your $2000 spreadsheet machine"
>"p-poorfag"
Of course he's right. /v/ disagrees because without bragging aboutusually shitexclusives this place would be empty.
>>320564006
It is if you don't like in a shit area of the world.
>>320563762
>How do you organize that on PC?
Same way you do on consoles? You either pay, or you can't play. Expect even more extreme anti-tamper software and DRM that does nothing but fuck paying customers because the only alternative to paying is piracy and private servers. Publishers will do everything they can to stamp that out, doubly so when this is the only platform they can make money on because consoles don't exist.
>Its mainly good because we can play whatever we want without having to pay for consoles
Steam is slowly turning your PC into a locked-down console. Gone are the days when you could buy a game, install it, open it and only it and just play. I fully expect some sort of paid premium Steam service in the next several years, a Steam+ if you will. Youtube is already doing it, consoles did it years ago, it's going to happen. Expect games to be a streamed service at some point soon too, Sony is already testing the waters and the subscription model gives ZERO control to the end-user and its all on the content provider's end. Steam is slowly monetizing whatever they can and want more and more control over that you buy and what you do with it after you buy it.
>>320564534
You don't think that they can compete without exclusives? Exclusives generate a tiny amount of competition overall.
>>320564395
with my penis?
:'-(
>>320564719
I mean for the distributor, not the customer.
>>320564571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7beE0NgnmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2YPs0AkzvU
>Lmao I know nothing about anything so I'm just gonna make shit up and see if someone buys it
>>320564719
America, Australia and Canada are shit areas of the world?
>>320564629
It's because you were putting the cart before the horse. What sort of retard buys a platform without looking at library first? This is the root of all consolewar threads because a bunch of retards are trying to justify their purchase of a platform that they didn't bother looking up if it has any games that they wanted to play.
>>320564768
They make exclusives to be system sellers anon
>>320564470
You're already part of the worst comunity as it is. I don't even understand why people feel like they have to associate with others who use the same shit they use, no sane person likes it when you faggots do that because it just makes everything full of shitposting. So stock sucking the cock you're loyal to and just do whatever. Not that other guy by the way.
>>320564356
>Its a tiny benefit
Games existing at all is a pretty tiny benefit, I agree.
>>320564856
well yeah they are. Sorry if you live in one of those countries anon
>>320564121
children's logic tends to be flawed
>>320564726
>Same way you do on consoles? You either pay, or you can't play.
You think that steam will do that? What about games that don't use steam?
>Steam is slowly turning your PC into a locked-down console.
This could all be prevented if steam just got one decent competitor
>>320564936
I live in Australia and our internet is literally worse than many African countries, but I don't agree it's a shit area of the world
>>320564827
>no base building
>indie shit
Yep, it's dead.
>>320564726
>Same way you do on consoles? You either pay, or you can't play.
Or you can not get fucked in the ass and tell the publisher to fuck off.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/07/microsoft-refunding-gamers-games-for-windows-live-goes-free/
>>320564856
I'm in America and I don't have a datacap. Move out of the dustbowl you oakie.
>>320564889
Who do you mean by 'they'. Out of sony, microsoft and nintendo, nintendo is the only one that actually makes first party games. 2nd and 3rd party devs have no incentive to shift console units.
>>320564936
Where are you from, anon?
>>320564726
>I fully expect some sort of paid premium Steam service in the next several years, a Steam+ if you will
It won't happen because GoG exists. They are also wary of receiving more flak ever since the paid mods fiasco
>Expect games to be a streamed service at some point soon too
On-live happened, it's no longer doing so hot now.
>>320565057
>THOSE DON'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO
>>320564472
>he fights for paychecks
So does console makers and they're in the market of getting your money, he makes his money telling you how to not be stupid at buying videogames.
>>320565039
>for internet
it is
>>320564921
How many games can you name that surely wouldn't have happened without nintendo, sony or microsoft's support?
>>320564630
Of coursesh!
>>320565165
It's not RTS if there's no base building.
>>320564159
>You know that he has all of the consoles right?
But yet he only caters to himself and the PC crowd. He even acknowledges this.
>And what do consoles have that can compete with even LoL?
Nothing. You miss the point.
>It isn't as watered down as it would have been if it was on consoles
Do you seriously actually believe that shit? Are you really arrogant enough and naive to think that PC gamers are geniuses who are the only one's capable of deciphering the "complexities of a video game". They are casualizing it not for consoles, but for a wider audience regardless of platform, period. Niche and complex games will not appeal the average player regardless of platform. XCOM 2 will still be the "casualized fest" on PC exclusivity you think it would of been if it was released on consoles because they don't want to alienate potential customers when they are already restricting themselves to a smaller audience. Any objection to this is likely just deluded brand loyalty.
>>320565057
>indie shit
do you even know what indie means?
If you're gonna shit on Ashes then at least mention how its early access.
>>320565120
why so you can shitpost about it? I already said sorry about it calm your tits
>>320565260
Grey Goo and Act of Agression.
There.
>>320565321
I'm curious, Anon.You're not from Eastern Europe, are you?
>>320565171
He makes money telling PCMRs what they want to hear. He pretty much scans the controversial topics of /r/PCMR and /r/Games on reddit and makes a video about it. He's a paid mercenary, nothing more
Consoles are literally just PCs nowadays, so exclusives are stupid.
Sony and Nintendo used to have actual differences in the hardware. Nowadays? Playstation are just a weak computer, and who gives a shit about Mario. Soon they'll even be censoring those Mario toadstool guys for "problematic" because their mushroom heads look like little penises.
>>320565367
indie shit again
>>320558697
>ps4nogaems
>ps4nogaems
>ps4nogaems
>ps4nogaems
>>320565286
If they tried to pander to console owners, the game would be made worse
>>320564602
>How is there no competition when everything is on one system?
I think your question answers itself.
>one system
>no competition
>CPU/GPU manufacturers
Has little to do with the games or competition that stems from games. Which CPU/GPU I buy has little impact on how and where I buy games, I'm not talking about having choices with hardware components but rather distribution platform. I'm still stuck with only Steam or piracy regardless of what my PC has in it.
>Your DLC argument is also dumb. Consoles are the ones that started that shit
lolno, downloadable, extra content was on PC long before consoles were even capable of implement it. Console publishers are taking a leaf out of the mobile/PC book, the most profitable games right now are MOBAs, MMOs or games that heavily feature subscription fees and microtransactions, and they're all on PC and/or mobile.
Pubs like Activision have realized selling full console games at retail isn't netting them the growth they want anymore, that model is slowly dying. They're moving toward digital distribution and the microtransaction model because, again, the games making the most money today are PC games with microtransactions and subscription fees. This is why their games are shipping with less and less content on-disc, why offline content is slowly being phased out entirely, why season passes are getting more expensive, etc. etc.
>>320558697
Yes, it's why Nintendo is pretty much fucking hated at this point.
>>320564726
>Steam is slowly turning your PC into a locked-down console.
No it isn't you fucking retard. I can change hardware , edit my software, without the fear of my computer getting locked down. I can't say the same for Sony and Microsoft Consoles (I have no idea if Nintendo does the same)
>Gone are the days when you could buy a game, install it, open it and only it and just play.
That was never the case. Are we going to pretend securom and cd-keys didn't fucking exist?
> I fully expect some sort of paid premium Steam service in the next several years, a Steam+ if you will. Youtube is already doing it, consoles did it years ago, it's going to happen.
>Speculation, no proof
Thats real fucking neato, faggot. It isn't going to happen.
>>320565542
No it wouldn't. PC kickstarted some of the most casualized games and trends. Stop deluding yourself.
>>320563257
>exclusivity to PC is bad
sorry nigger, that's not how it works
>>320564114
>I didn't have issues so the people reporting issues must not exist
>>320558697
Yes. Less choice is anti-consumer and pro-business. There is no reason for exclusivity other than being built in house by a dev team owned by the console creator.
>>320565412
>just curious
not even close anon
>>320565220
all of them
>>320565748
Hello TotalBiscuit.
>>320565571
>downloadable, extra content was on PC long before consoles were even capable of implement it
how can you prove this? I remember my first encounter with paid DLC being maps for those shooters on the xbox360
>>320561431
like kojima's sony game?
>>320565669
PC's audience are less casual because PC gaming is less accessible.
Name some casual trends that PC started.
>>320565010
>You think that steam will do that?
Remember, hypothetically consoles no longer exist, and PC is your only option. So, yes, abso-fucking-lutely Steam would do that. Why wouldn't they? They're your only option aside from the also-awful services Origin and Uplay. Comcast can charge whatever the fuck they want for their cable and internet service in my area because they're the only option. The service is fucking abysmal and prices are awful, but people buy anyway because that's the only choice.
>This could all be prevented if steam just got one decent competitor
Right, because competition encourages innovation and better prices, service, etc. Which is the point I'm trying to make. PC being the only platform, with Steam likely still having a monopoly, would be bad and not in any way better than the situation we're in now. we need MORE diversity, not less.
>>320565748
This anon right here is the type of crowd that TotalBiscuit is pandering to.
>>320564921
Not that guy but the first one would have sold more if it wasn't tied down to just 2 consoles, making the second ether a possibility or nonexistent since no one's interested. I heard that 2 didn't do so hot ether, unfortunate since I liked bayonneta but it would have done better if it wasn't exclusive. Nintendo could have funded it and put it on more platforms but it was their choice to make it exclusive, meaning the sales potential are automatically cut harshly.
>>320565760
Great reading comprehension. Where did I say the issues didn't exist? I just said I didn't have them, and it doesn't seem like most people did, based on what I saw on Twitch. And further, I could have instantly returned if I did encounter issues, so no problem anyway.
>Lack of choice
Console makers actually pay dosh so people make games for their platform. They support more games getting made not less. Admittedly some of that gets tied up in exclusivity deals but they often pay money for a new game to be made. Would I rather play Boodborne or Bayoneta on a PC? yes but its better that the games exist at all.
>>320565220
Any of their exclusives spanning back to all their first consoles. A lot of the anons here don't seem to realize that the reason why consoles have exclusives is because the companies are trying to push their $300+ disc trays and make them more appealing then the competition's $300+ disc trays.
Look at the quality of Sega's games after they lost their consoles if you want to know what Nintendo, Sony and M$ would look like today as software exclusive companies. That is what TB and some jackasses in this thread are pining for just because they want to save a few bucks.
>>320565890
Free 2 play
Early access
>>320565946
>sony is not allowed to fund games for PC
>microsoft is not allowed to fund games for PC
>nintendo is not allowed to fund games for PC
>>320565890
Facebook browser games, farmville, flash games, cookie clicker, dumbed down Mobas like LoL, MMOs with cash shops. PC is responsible for plenty of bullshit
>>320558697
>morons
resorting to ad hominem is pretty pathetic
Exclusivity stopped being meaningful and relevant when consoles adopted PC architecture. Now it's just a marketing mechanic and fuck you for wanting to play a version better than these stillborn shit consoles we've been fed.
>>320566041
They sink a lot of money for games to be console sellers
>>320565916
>implying that consolepeasants have any legitimate reason to exist
why the fuck would you honestly buy a console
>>320565128
The paid mods fiasco is exactly why I think they'll try this shit. They acted like they didn't even know why people were pissed about paid mods and they genuinely thought they had a good idea. They want to monetize everything possible, and paid subscriptions are huge money-makers. I guarantee they've got people trying to figure out how they could do it without shooting themselves in their collective feet right this very moment.
>>320566041
They need exclusives to sell their consoles, if they can't sell their consoles they have no incentive to be in the industry.
>>320566010
>Look at the quality of Sega's games
There's literally nothing wrong with Sega games
>>320565916
The disappointing part is that this group is big enough to make a living on Youtube from
>>320565906
>Why wouldn't they?
Because they risk losing business to GOG or someone, or the creation of a new competitor that doesn't do that. Or a ton of people ceasing to use steam
>>320565571
If Xbox and PS games were on the same system then they would still be competing with each other in the same exact way. They would still want to sell more copies of the game than the other. I still don't know what you're getting it.
The only difference would be that you don't have to throw down $400 on redundant hardware.
Also, Microsoft was the first company to ever have paid DLC. You obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about so I give up. Can't fix stupid.
>>320565890
>PC's audience are less casual because PC gaming is less accessible.
That is not even true in the slightest. Again, stop deluding yourself.
>Name some casual trends that PC started.
>MOBAS
>The Sims
>Minecraft
>Free to Play
>Early Access
>Plants vs Zombies (yes, that started on PC)
>>320566118
Exhibit A: The crowd TB is pandering to.
>>320565417
He's a how to guidebook for people who don't want to buy broken games on steam, call whatever you want, that's what he ends up doing. I don't take money out of my pocket to get those tips, so why would it hurt me to get information from his videos? I rather do that than buy blind.
>>320558697
What a fucking tool, he doesn't want exclusivity so every game in on PC but then he'll bitch about them and rally consumers not to buy them because it's locked at 30 FPS and doesn't have 4K resolution textures with dedicated server online play.
Fuck Total Biscuit. If you like video games you should fucking despise this man.
>>320566237
>implying I'm not just false flagging because you people are genuine retards
>>320566041
Why would they? Nintendo sold Wii Us by funding Bayo 2 same with sony and bloodborne. Its better that the game exist as an exclusive then not at all.
>>320566165
You're confusing Steam with Bethesda. You think Steam forced Bethesda to do paid mods on their game? lol
>>320566237
do you have a point are do you just love memes?
>>320559023
Dude you're so cool and funny.
>>320566274
>asking for quality is wrong
Obvious company shill
>>320558697
For once, yes he is correct.
>>320566041
They won't want to, that's the point. There's no incentive because they see minimal returns on it while their competition benefits too. Investors certainly won't want to back Sony when they see lots of their money is going to benefit Microsoft and not just them.
>>320566274
Dear god, he has standards. Fuck him, right?
>>320566275
Ah, the "I was only pretending to be retarded" copout
>>320566370
Except I wasn't "pretending". I was acting genuinely retarded to show you your own reflection.
>>320566010
>first consoles
That isn't relevant now though. This generation of consoles are basically just PCs. I doubt that every exclusive wouldn't have gotten funding unless sony or whoever paid for it. The last of us for example would have found a publisher easily.
>Look at the quality of Sega's games after they lost their consoles
Sony/microsoft dont develop games, so nintendo would be the only one affected. I doubt that we will see a drop in quality from them.
>a few bucks
Hundreds of dollars
Exclusives are bad! Unless they're exclusive to my Windows PC of course.
>>320566426
Wow you sure showed me and put me into a position of genuine self-reflection of my point of view and opinions by admitting that you are actually retarded!
>>320566015
How are they casual?
>>320566068
MOBAs are often called casual but they are more complex than anything on console
>>320566536
Good, learn from this experience and stop being such a fucking idiot.
>>320558697
It is about competition. The only people who cry about exclusives are those who have no understanding of business.
You can cry and bitch about the morality all you want, but at the end of the day, exclusives are here to stay.
I have a PC and love PC gaming, but 9 times out of 10 it is some fat fucking pcmasterrace nigger that is crying about exclusives.
>>320566426
>wasn't pretending
>just acting
Oh boy, what a joy.
>there's people in this thread RIGHT NOW who unironically play MOBAs
Explain yourselves, cretins.
>>320566579
I'm not the one admitting they're retarded here, anon.
>>320561313
>Not really. You just have to take in account a Kb+M input and the average controller input for game development, unless you have some niche title that requires an specific controller like guitar hero.
You don't know shit about making games or porting games between platforms.
People should be upset about how shitty this gen's consoles are.
>>320566206
>Because they risk losing business to GOG or someone,
Not for new releases, and the only companies with the resources and money to compete (huge AAA publishers with their own catalog of games) are already doing so and it's the same anti-consumer BS Steam is pushing.
>Or a ton of people ceasing to use steam
Not going to happen because that means they're not playing anything.
>>320564121
They don't have money for any games after dropping 2k on a system that plays on uber ultra at 8k res
>>320566594
>getting hung up on phrasing
You too, see >>320566579
>>320559023
woah what a badass
>>320558697
He's wrong. Had he said "exclusiveness" then I would agree.
>>320566680
>B-but they're all x86-based, everything must be interchangeable without any work
Some of the shit about porting I read here is depressingly dumb
I love how 99% of you didn't actually understand what he was saying.
Good night /v/ I read the rest of your moronic posts in the morning.
>>320566651
Sorry, got hooked up for a long time and before I got into it my last RTS was Warcraft 3 back when Lan Houses were still a huge thing.
Had lots of fun, but nowadays I stopped playing so much because I got burned out. I might come back to DOTA 2 if someone makes a new fun game mode on the new editor. They already made a Touhou mode, It shouldn't take long until someone makes a warcraft-like small campaign.
>>320566237
The Sims is only one type of game
Minecraft practically created its own genre
Free to Play and Early access are irrelevant to the gameplay of a video gam
PopCap was its own niche that was moved to mobile a long time ago, ever since the EA acquisition
Meanwhile, you have the incredibly slow console FPS with regenerating health, iron sights and generally easy gameplay that had a rippling effect on the entire genre.
>>320566806
>can't laugh at bad phrasing
Deal with it kid, we're on the internet.
>>320558697
he would be, if porting a video game to other platforms was easy, free and without sacrifice
>>320566979
>Minecraft practically created its own genre
It was then I knew that the younger generation was doomed to repeat the same mistakes we did.
>>320558697
He's not saying exclusives don't make business sense, because they quite obviously do. What he's saying is that exclusives shouldn't be celebrated by consumers because it's kinda fundamentally not good for us, and that's not wrong either.
It's pointless to complain about though, since that's the way it has to be, but I agree that celebrating exclusives is dumb.
>>320566316
>You think Bethesda forced Steam to do paid mods on their storefront? lol
Don't deflect blame, Valve is as much to blame as Bethesda, if not more. It's their distribution platform, they could have simply said no.
Of course we all know the best and easiest way to compensate modders for their work would be to just add a fucking donate button, but then Valve and Bethesda don't get to grab ~80% of that for themselves.
>>320566850
I actually had to port some software from Linux to Windows for a project in college. Needless to say, unless the software was already designed with cross-platform compatibility from the start, it's going to take some work. Then you get those Japanese games which were obviously designed with consoles in mind and they have abysmal PC ports.
>>320566979
I feel sorry for you, I really do. Because all those aspects you listed are applicable to a wide range of games that are either PC only or kickstarted by PC.
You truly are one deluded PCkek.
I don't trust fun ip's on non Nintendo platforms. Blinx the time sweeper, Kameo, Crash, Spyro. All great games turned to shit or dead.
>>320567125
I've ported apps from iOS to Android and it's a fuckton of work. Anyone who says porting is easy needs to just refrain from commenting unless they have first hand experience
>>320567191
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about how a casual trend affected other games, not on the creation of casual trends that keeps to itself.
His pseudo intelligence goes well with his pseudo remaining life
>>320567118
>What he's saying is that exclusives shouldn't be celebrated by consumers because it's kinda fundamentally not good for us, and that's not wrong either.
When it comes to first-party games he absolutely fucking is. The games wouldn't exist without the platform, they exist to sell the platform. Without the platform, there's little incentive to make the game at all. We wouldn't just magically see every previously console-exclusive franchises pop up on PC, we'd see most die off and the creators move on. It would just mean we don't get the game at all, rather than it being exclusive to one platform.
>>320567109
Other than infiniminer, what other game, do you think, had similar gameplay to Minecraft prior to its creation?
>>320567259
splosion man castle crashers so on and so forth
Please up the bait.
>>320567349
>missed the point
i don't even know why I bother trying to post in threads like this.
>>320567259
Every single one of those franchises was shit from the very first game.
>>320567120
Why would they say no to a company whose games make them a shit load of money when they have an idea that would allow them to make even more money from their games?
Do you understand what the point of a company is?
>>320567305
You were trying to argue that it is consoles and consoles alone that are the reason for "casualization", which is not in the slightest bit true.
The true reasons for casualization is from the video game industry boom in the early to mid 2000's and the need to justify costs of development by appealing to a wider audience. Deflecting the blame onto "X's fault" is just appealing to console war trash.
It's not lack of choice. It's the exact opposite; you're giving REASON for the choice.
Without exclusives, you may as well buy your shit based on color scheme, which is ironically what I already do.
TB is quite literally describing Communism with the added illusion of choice.
>lol why buy a console when you can play games on PC like me because the consoles have no exclusives
>HURR WHY DO CONSOLE MANUFACTURERS HAVE TO BE SO ANTI-CONSUMER AND HAVE EXCLUSIVESI agree with the idea of being against companies making sequels to multiplat games exclusive to their system but he's whining about a new game from Kojima that is now confirmed to have a PC version in development
>>320562818
gold diggers aren't spending their own money
>>320567349
You're couching your perspective on consoles being actually worthwhile for a consumer. They offer nothing outside of their own ecosystem. There's no unique tech or advantage to any console besides maybe the Wii U's touchscreen interface. Consumers were forcefed shit products and people should be upset about it. Instead you have diversions like timed exclusives, exclusives, and other prohibitive bullshit. And you have retards defending it. It's ridiculous.
>>320561965
It's only a timed exclusive and Sony is finding it. If anything he should be happy that PS4 is basically being cucked.
>>320567478
What is your point, then?
There's nothing more anti-consumer than a game-maker not making a game. It quite literally is stopping you from consuming entirely.
>What he's saying is that exclusives shouldn't be celebrated by consumers because it's kinda fundamentally not good for us
I'm refuting this point. In lots of cases, exclusivity IS good for us, because the alternative is the game not existing at all. So yes, exclusives like Bayonetta 2 SHOULD be celebrated, because if it went for Nintendo and their funny-money, the game would not have been made at all. Without that exclusivity, the game would not exist.
>>320559038
>Competition is healthy for a growing market.
It is but exclusives are antithesis to actual competition.
They're essentially bribing devs to not release their game on any competing platforms.
He's mad about having to give Sony money.
>>320558697
Is he saying any game that's not multiplat is shit?
>>320558697
>PCuck complaining about exclusives
ayy
>>320558697
STEP RIGHT UP, STEP RIGHT UP
TAKING ALL BETS
WHO WILL DIE FIRST?
THE FAT ASS FAT FUCK OF MOUNTAIN DEW
BOOGIE2899
OR
THE ASS CANCER OF VIDEO GAMES
TOTALBISCUIT
TAKING ALL BETS
>>320567884
>They offer nothing outside of their own ecosystem
Their own ecosystem is their games. Without the platform, the games don't exist either. Nintendo makes games to sell their console. Without the console, they're not making games.
I don't like PS4/Xbone either I have no desire to own either of them. But exclusive games have nothing to do with why they're shitty or the shitty, shitty stuff AAA pubs are pulling, and they have the least number of exclusives for a new set of consoles to date.
>>320558697
I honestly don't have problem with contracted exclusives. They're a decent paycheck for devs, the publishers are happy, and chances are its the kind of game that players of that particular platform would play.
ie
Sony Exclusive JRPG
Xbox Exclusive Shooter
Nintendo Exclusive Party/Platformer
PC Exclusive Strategy
Does anyone have that shoop where TB tells someone to get cancer and die on twitter
>>320558697
Only even heard about this kuk after he got cancer because I actually play video games instead of just reading or listening to some nobody's opinions.
Happy he's going to die.
>>320568383
>shoop
>>320568406
nice blog faggot
>>320567884
>Instead you have diversions like timed exclusives, exclusives, and other prohibitive bullshit. And you have retards defending it. It's ridiculous.
This has little to do with why PS4 and Xbone are shit. They're shit because they have shitty games and AAA pubs are trying everything they can to gouge customers. Exclusive games have nothing to do with this trend or the bloated AAA model that perpetuates it, and both consoles have fewer exclusives than any past Playstation or Xbox console.
I don't understand this shit at all, since when are killer apps a bad thing? People buy products because of exclusive features all the time, but when videogames do it you're upset?
>>320568383
That's not a shoop.
God dammit, you faggots from reddit and your fedora-tipping e-celebs
I hope whoever this is gets cancer and dies
>>320568465
It wasn't a shoop? Oh the irony.
>>320558697
Shouldn't he spend his remaining time doing something else instead of complaining about games that he can't play?
>>320568627
Third party.
>>320568627
Less competition means more control over the market, if you have a monopoly or are close you can get away with pretty much whatever you want.
Look at Comcast, they can fuck customers six ways from Sunday and there's nothing they can do about it beyond not having cable or internet service.
>>320568718
There used to be a term second party though, exclusives are second party if they are partly financed by the company.
>>320568634
Anyways, can you post it please.
>>320568718
Only bad if the game is exclusive because someone paid for it to be and it wasn't actually necessary.
When 3rd-parties are shopping their ideas around and only one console maker wants to get on board, then that's fucking fine since the game wouldn't be made otherwise.
>>320568798
>There used to be a term second party though
No there wasn't. Contracts exists between two parties and a distinction between which is the first and which is the seconds has never been made.
you gotta wonder, what's going to happen to his youtube channel when he goes away (I don't like using the term die or is kill because i'm a softie tee hee)
>>320568785
>Look at Comcast
>tfw Brighthouse
>internet cut off because I'm retarded and forgot to pay it this month
>call them to pay it and get it reconnected
>"well since you're reopening your account you qualify as a new customer and we've got a promotion for 150 down for $50/month"
>was getting 20 down for $75/month
>>320568981
the "First party" is the platform holder. First-party is relative to the platform.
>>320568820
It's literally the first image result on google.
>>320568981
Who's on third?
>>320568981
the term was very popular around 10-15 years ago, I am not sure what you are talking about
>>320569065
It's either Comcast or you don't have the internet in many areas around here. I'm "fortunate" enough to have an alternative in the form of 120kbps DSL from Verizon for $20/month.
>>320569252
>120kbps DSL from Verizon for $20/month
Remind me again what year it is?
>>320569252
Yeah I lived in an area like that for a few years. Comcast or shitty DSL. I'll be moving in a few months and dread returning to that "choice"
He's wrong because buying more than one console and having a PC is a consumer choice in itself. Boo fuckity hoo if a game is only on one platform. Buy the platform if you want to play it. You may find more games to explore and enjoy, and you still have access to everything on every other platform you own.
A console isn't a blood type or birthplace. You're not limited to one and one only. This idiot fuck and his idiot fans parroting can't have cancer come soon enough for him.
>>320568627
PCfags get butthurt when exclusives make you actually want a console
>>320568093
>They're essentially bribing devs to not release their game on any competing platforms.
See, this assumes that every single game being pitched is desirable to every single possible publisher. I agree that when a game is exclusive just because, for example, Sony paid the developer a fat pile of money to not release it on other platforms when said other platforms would be interested in having the title, is bad. But that's only one way in which a game winds up being exclusive.
Often games are exclusive because that platform holder was willing to finance or otherwise support the game and its development. Platinum is a good example, I guarantee most of their exclusive games were exclusive because that's who they managed to work with on that particular project and not because one company paid them off.
>>320569638
>I have money so it's okay!
>>320569495
The year of I fucking hate Comcast.
>>320569495
I wonder what browsing 4chin is even like on such a connection
>>320569778
>I don't have money so it's not okay!
Works both ways, why is catering to you more valid or important than catering to someone else?
>>320569778
If you can't afford multiple consoles deal with it or save money if that's so important for you, a lot of people don't enjoy a bunch of shit in life because they don't have money for it, go to fucking cuba you fucking commie.
>>320569778
>being poor
why would you think anyone cares what you have to say when you can't even buy the things we're talking about?
>>320569916
There is literally no advantage of making a game exclusive. Make a game exclusive, no problem only for the guys who own the console. Make a game multiplat, no problems for both the owner of the console and the guys who own other platforms
Why are PC gamers so obnoxious?
>>320569970
>>320570052
>defending the company
>not being pro-consumer
>>320570294
i'm very pro-consumer I just don't think poor people are consumers of anything other than ramen noodles and boxed macaroni
>>320569778
Yes, having access to everything is what makes it ok. If that's money, then it's money. Exclusives are bankrolled and wouldn't exist if not for the console maker. These games wouldn't exist without the monetary backing as a result of exclusivity. If you can't afford to play every game you want to play, then tough shit. They're a product, not some fundamental human right to be accessed by every human being. You pay what you have to to play, or you don't play. Not being able to facilitate that is quite literally a personal problem.
>Wah why can't everyone eat caviar? I only have bologna!
>Why do I have to fly Air Korea to Korea?! I want to fly Air Egypt to Korea fuck that!
>Fuck that asshole with a sports car I want even if I have a shitty compact, everyone should drive the same cars, even if everyone has different tastes
Complaining about exclusivity is toddle tantrum bullshit.
>>320570437
If you're not savvy with the money you spend, regardless of wealth, you're not being pro-consumer. You're saying that you're okay being fucked in the ass by some company because you have the money for it.
>>320570482
Why is /v/ always so shit with analogies?
>>320570116
>There is literally no advantage of making a game exclusive
kek
>Game would otherwise not exist
as said many times in this thread, games are often exclusive because they would otherwise not exist. The developer cannot afford to make it themselves, other publishers didn't want to fund it. Literally and exactly what happened with Bayonetta 2. Sega did not want to publish it. Everyone else Platinum went to did not want to publish it. If the game were not exclusive to Wii U, it would not exist. Not existing is a pretty big disadvantage.
>Game is better optimized and more well-designed
Working with one set of hardware means you have less work and more time to do it. It means you can concentrate on taking advantage of the single platform's hardware to the fullest, making the game both look and perform better than it wold have it it were developed for multiple platforms.
Concessions need to be made in order for the game to not need to be made from scratch on every platform. If a game is exclusive, you might get better draw distance, better frame rate, higher resolution, higher playercount, less pop-in, more enemies onscreen, a bigger world, and just generally better performance and higher-quality visuals.
>>320570294
Poor people aren't even consumers though, they're the exact opposite. If you can't afford it you aren't consuming. If you have the option to buy or pass by actually having money, then you hold the power in the transaction. People don't buy, producers don't produce.
Jesus, you're too poor to even join the discussion, let alone pick up a controller.
>>320570294
>pro-consumer
I don't know, a game developer not developing a game isn't very pro-consumer given that I cannot consume it.
>>320570850
>>320570870
320571092
>consolecucks being this retarded
Why can't you just accept that you're literally okay with being fucked in the ass by a big company? Everyone else knows this already, stop denying it to yourself.
>>320571186
poor
The answer is yes. Why are there almost 500 replies?
>>320568981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer
>>320562018
>>320561337
>>320561836
>being so underage you dont remember HDDVD
I can get betamax but come on kids.
I dream of vidya forming an alliance like blu ray alliance or whatever forming and defending just a standard format like steam OS or whatever, or just something anyone can make hardware for and PCs can run if there is no supperior PC version. There was no reason for hd dvd and blu ray to both exist so one killed the other. Xbox and PlayStation are the same fucking thing. Really only need one. Pc is obviously different enough, hell i'll even couny WiiU for now. But xbox and PlayStation just unessarily segment the market.
>>320572893
Most people don't even remember laser discs.
>>320559732
I dunno, Halo 5 was a great game though
>>320570850
>as said many times in this thread, games are often exclusive because they would otherwise not exist.
I'd argue this is false. Bayonetta 2 is the exception, not the rule. Companies try to make exclusive deals with games that are very likely to sell well. In other words they're games that are already popular, or at least expected to be, and would have been made anyway because they are profitable to begin with.
>>320559023
>haha someone is dying
Remember that kid in middle-school who wore all black and thought glaring really hard at you would scare you?
that's who you sound like
>>320558697
literally the only reason in which exclusives make sense is for indie devs on PC; cost effective reasons as well as ease of development.
>>320559023
what? i thought he was healthy now
>>320558697
No, that's missing the fucking point. Exclusives are the only reason to buy consoles.
>>320573446
SFV is the same iirc, they said they started development of the game way sooner than they planned because sony put the money in, sure it would probably exist but it would not be were is it right now.
>>320559780
>Competing with hardware vs competing with games
History has told us that the best games are frequently exclusive.
If they weren't exclusive, they would have been worse because of the time needed for many platform optimisation.
Why even have multiple consoles if there's not gonna be a point to them.
IF every system got every game then all thats gonna happen is anotehr crash like what happened to all those fucking pong machines
>>320558697
but that's false ports are designed with the lowest platform in mind which cripples what the game could be. Still makes me sad thinking of could've been if Elder Scrolls would've never went to consoles.
>>320578705
>Still makes me sad thinking of could've been if Elder Scrolls would've never went to consoles.
Nonexistent
>>320578841
they had 4 games before Morrowind they would've been fine
>>320558697
>companies shouldn't encourage competition because I have cancer.
>>320578841
Skyrim sold more on PC than on both consoles combined.
>>320559023
Lucinafags once again proving to be edgelord retards, lmfao.
>>320558697
BAIN?
>>320579220
Why won't they encourage competition by providing a better service and not by excluding everyone else? O, right, because that would require effort.
>>320558697
Of course he is right, "exclusives" are just blackmail to sell a platform. But all platforms are the same so we really don't need a diversity there. It's just for their wallet and anti-consumer.
>>320562510
Are your parents brother and sister? PS3 was the second worst hardware last gen. And for your retarded short-sighted argument you chose the only platform that was worse.
I can take your argument and let it blow up in your face, what about if it were made for PC and ported to the weaker platforms?
What if Red Dead Redemption were a PC game? Do you think it wouldn't be more popular? More people had access to it? Mod support, holy balls actually keeping a framerate above 18?
Exclusives are a bane to the vidya and consumers. Hell the shitbox and playstation are. No one needs barebone PC's for illiterates anymore. The only reason for their existence is their exclusives, and the only reason for their exclusives is that they exist.
Kill yourself
>>320580315
This
No console can beat PC hardware by default. There is no need for a console anymore. Consoles are dead weight.
>>320562290
>When companies compete it is always a win for the consumer.
Yeah just like when Sony competed with Microsoft and made their online service cost money instead of being free.
Exclusive console games are good when they mean a developer being able to tailor their game perfectly to any given hardware, instead of having to fuck around with wiggle room and approximations. When the system has a unique control interface, it is even more apparent why it is a good choice. Otherwise, there is no reason for everything to not come out on PC.
>>320558697
But I enjoy some exclusives. In fact, right now I'm replaying Dungeon Keeper. It's fun.
>>320563586
No he was right, you're just grasping at straws.
The only people who don't benefit from exclusives are people who don't even support the company in question. Exclusives are hardly "anti consumer" since those who aren't consuming it dont support the company anyway.
Like a sony fanboy bitching about all the wii u exclusives he can't play isn't really a consumer because he doesn't even own a wii u. It's fucking stupid, there's nothing wrong with exclusives.
>>320583078
Then why does the consumer need different platforms again? Especially considering they are all based on the same hardware?
Are you the village idiot or are you just shilling?
>>320562576
Nintendo will not a SINGLE sale for putting out games on other platforms, they have only to gain.
>>320583078
That's fucking retarded. The only reason he's not "consuming" that exclusive is because it's locked to a platform he doesn't own.
He'd love to be a consumer of that game but the platform owners bribed the dev to not release it on other platforms.
