b-but ps4 can do backwards compatible too!
>Europe
Who cares
Twice as better as 360 games on the One.
>>319517862
>In Europe
So it's not a problem in the US?
>>319517862
PS2 emulator on PC runs better than the PS2 emulator on PS4
>buy the same game for the third time
>it runs worse than the ps2 disc 600 years ago
#4theplayers!
>>319518385
I know, I run ps2 games at 2k 50/60fps (depending on game hz). Games like cel damage look amazing on a tv, play that in 4 player.
Sonykeks keked by their own masters!
>Europe
No one cares. Video games are haram there anyways.
>>319518098
PAL games on PS2 ran at 25 FPS, but at higher resolution.
PAL = 576i/576p 25 FPS
NTSC = 480i/480p 30 FPS
The emulator on PS4 is so shitty it's incapable of rendering PAL games properly and tries to force them into 30 FPS which causes all kinds of fuckups.
>>319517965
more than half their market you bet Sony cares
This is what Europoors get for being behind the times even in an older era
I'm in the UK and I've been blazing through GTA 3 at the moment, I've had zero problems, runs way better than the PS3 version.
>>319518620
>higher res
>better audio quality on broadcast
>behind times
>>319518539
shouldn't you be at some school shooting?
>>319518665
Liar
Please tell me there's going to be a fix for whatever fuck up they have going on. I have a hankering for some ps2 jrpgs but don't want to play them on my PC
europoors gonna poor
>>319517862
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
ENJOY YOUR 10 FPS EUROKEKS
>>319518732
Nope, load times are slightly better too. I wonder if it's one of the other games because it's not GTA 3 at all.
>>319518548
Eh, not my problem then, have fun Eurotrash
>they went with a 50Hz standard
amerikek here
Vice city looks beautiful but still suffers from the frame drops the ps2 version had.
>>319517862
Its due to them using the PAL version for some reason.
>>319518667
>Lower FPS
>50hz
>Resolution mattering when TVs were still shit
>>319517862
>ps4 cant even play ps2 games in their original framerate
>>319518548
Why not just ignore the European versions and give everyone the US versions? I don't think the large PAL difference thing still exists so this is just Sony keeping to decade old standards for shits and giggles.
>>319518935
Of course it does. It's emulation not a port. If they're going to work on this they might as well just port the games over from PC that allow that.
>>319517862
>Being European
Christ.
>>319519005
Majority of PAL games were Multi5, US games come with Multi2 at best.
Sure is Amerifat inferiority complex here considering the need to display assertion of your status.
>>319519291
IKR. Let's just ignore the people in this thread who are actually European and playing the games and focus on the screenshot of what might be an article with no sauce.
>>319519291
What's wrong, your semen rations weren't delivered today?
>>319519223
I don't know what that means. You're saying there's some reason Sony can't just put the US version up on European PSN? The language options might be an issue but that's either easy to fix or people in Europe would probably care more about having the game not being adhering to a shitty ancient standard than being in their native language.
>>319517862
Can the PS4 not output in 50Hz?
This is really shitty. A lot of euro games had 60hz options though.
>>319519291
You're showing how self conscious you are considering people were talking about how inadequate the PS4 is and not how inadequate Europe is.
>>319518969
Framerate is the only downside to the PAL standard. Res, colour encoding, audio quality is all better than any other system.
PAL60 a best for Composite video though.
>>319519402
European psn caters to France, Germany etc. it just makes it easier to throw up the one copy of the game rather than tweak the us copy to accomodate these countries.
>>319519683
Except it's not, I've been playing Dark Cloud no problem, this "article" is full of shit.
>>319519367
http://www.destructoid.com/the-ps4-s-emulated-ps2-games-run-worse-in-europe-325402.phtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook here you go
>>319518385
But what about in Europe?
>>319520354
You can set your monitor to 50Hz at least.
>>319519963
Are there any other places reporting this? If so, then it might be legitimate, if not, then it's just click baiting.
>>319520354
They run perfectly fine in Europe.
>>319520354
lol who cares it's europe
>>319520412
Pretty sure that wouldn't help because the PS4 isn't outputting 50Hz, it's converting the 50Hz games to 60Hz and fucking everything up before it outputs it.
>>319520413
It's simple, we just need a eurofag to buy a PS2 emulation (kek) and photo his TV saying whether the signal is 50 or 60hz.
>>319519005
>LET'S IGNORE EVERY LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD BUT ENGLISH
>>319520508
Your PC can be set to output 50Hz just fine. Can the PS4 not?
>>319520604
What kind of shit logic is this?
Can you make Ocarina of Time run at 144 fps just because it's being played on a PC?
Surprise, the engineering is different!
>>319517862
Was anyone surprised by this at all?
>>319520583
I'm sure most people would prefer the game in English than the game with fucked performance. I'm not even sure how hard it would be to change if Sony weren't fucking lazy.
>>319520604
Don't think so. Same as the resolution. Even if a game runs at 720p on the PS4 it's upscaled to 1080p before it's outputted. And even then it wouldn't matter because the emulator is apparently (I'm not sure I'm just guessing) built to convert it so even if you could set the PS4 to output 50Hz the game would be running at 50Hz, converted to 60Hz, and then output at 50Hz which I think might be worse.
>50hz
For what purpose?
>>319520887
PAL games ran in 50Hz for all of 1st-5th Gen. Some 6th gen games did 60Hz too but 7th gen is when ot was standard.
>>319517862
DELETE THIS
>>319520868
Thar's fucking lazy. It's not like a Euro HDTV can't process 1080p50.
>>319518495
>cel damage
Oh fuck what emulator?
It was totally broken on dolphin
>>319521226
pcsx2, i believe it can work on dolphin with the beta they have, haven't tried and don't care to attempt as it works fine on pcsx2
>>319521087
Huh. Would a Gsync/Freesync monitor help with this?
>>319521321
It doesn't matter what your display can do as the PS4 is converting it to 60Hz before outputting it. The emulator is the thing fucking up. There's no way to fix it if you can't modify it yourself.
>>319521321
No, it's because of hard encoding. The PS2 emulator fucks up because of it's internal scaler trying to output a 60htz video feed from 50htz content.
>>319521321
Euro TVs have always supported plain 50Hz and still do, so there's no point. The PS4 just doesn't output that.
>>319517862
>Using the shitty 50Hz PAL versions instead of the 60Hz NTSC versions
But why?
>>319519402
>or people in Europe would probably care more about having the game not being adhering to a shitty ancient standard than being in their native language.
You're pretty naive.
>>319521226
Here's a photo someone took of it, only 3 player, but the colours really look nice when its run at 2k
I should probably mention this - but Dark Cloud in EU territories doesn't seem to have any sort of frame pacing issues, at least at a noticeable level.
This is coming from someone who can't stand frame pacing issues, has a CRT just for native PS2 gaming AND I've emulated the US version of Dark Cloud before on PC.
It's as smooth as every other version. It just seems like GTA:SA is more affected because of it's constant drops below 25/30.
>>319521381
>>319521415
>>319521437
I'm learning something new. Thanks /v/
>>319521453
Because NTSC PS1/PS2 games rarely have more than one language.
>>319521453
Language support for EU.
Australia really gets fucked over hard in this whole EU situation.
>>319521481
>this game runs like shit and is barely playable but at least it's not in that nasty English language!
If Europe with its whole bilingual thing going on is this retarded then they deserve any shit they get.
>>319517862
It's not backwards compatibility, horrorscene.
>>319518767
Enjoy your mutilated dick and Mexican infestation
>>319521675
>Bilingual
lol
>>319521751
>Mexican infestation
You know what they say about people in glass houses don't you, yuropanon?
>>319519712
Too bad that framerate is infinitely more important than any of those. All the nice little aspects don't matter if your game stutters.
>>319521880
Still whiter than you lol
But wait, PAL tvs have a 60hz option now, why the fuck is this even thing.
>>319518548
>caring about PAL
Nigga the only people who give a shit about PAL are speedrunners and even then it's basically just Crash 2
>>319518495
>>319521226
>>319521528
They ported Cel Damage on the PS Vita and PS4
>>319522007
Your wife's children won't be :^)
>>319522010
Because the games are programmed to run at 50htz, you fuckwit.
These are games from the early 2000's.
>>319521973
Stutter's not the problem, a PAL game and NTSC game will get framedrops about as severe as each other in the same circumstances.
PAL was really shitty for 2D gens though. For everything that isn't gaming and everything 3D it's fine.
>>319522010
Like others have said, it's so they have the language support. This is emulation, not ports, so they can't just bundle all the languages into one game, they're putting up the different areas' versions of the games from when they came out and Europe got shafted in the past in regards to framerate because of PAL. It's even worse with this because the PS4 is trying to turn the 50Hz game into 60Hz to output and it fucks it up even more.
>>319522107
ps4/vita version isn't 2k tho, that and emulated version is free whereas it costs $15 to buy a decade old game from sony.
>>319522157
No, PAL is awful because nobody gave a shit about converting things right. Slowdown and borders everywhere.
Games like the Final Fantasy series run at 5/6th the speed of the US version. FFIX was already slow enough, it's actually noticeable when you play them both.
>>319522312
But I got it for free via PS+
>>319522358
Borders and slowed down gameplay were a necessary consequence of 2D conversions, in 3D it's just lazy devs.
>>319522163
So Sony didn't think this through, or did but is being incredibly lazy?
Who cares that some Muslims play at a lower framerate
>>319522601
It's more than likely just an oversight.
>>319521973
>framerate is infinitely more important than any of those
Is this what Americans believe?
>>319519005
are you an idiot?
you literally cannot ignore the version
because they were made that way specificlly for european conventions
the reason it doesnt work is because the electricity from a european socket is at a different voltage and its altogether a different system
>nintendo puts 50hz games on virtual console
>lel nintendo so much behind the times, again
>sony puts 50hz games on psn
>lel who cares about eurokeks
>it's okay when sony does it
>>319522058
from a technical standpoint NTSC is cheap garbage
theres a reason we refer to it as "not the same color" here amongst technicians, because its shit
>>319523492
I don't know if you're joking or not.
The only thing stopping a 50htz game running on a NTSC console is a software lock, same thing with a 60htz game running on PAL consoles.
I play USA games on my PAL PS2 all time time using a swap disk or FreeMcBoot.
>>319518019
>damage controlling Sony by attacking something that is FREE and and run flawlessly on the Xbox One
Bad form mate.
>>319523634
I thought it was Never Twice the Same Colour.
we just wanna be your PALs :3
>>319518539
Funny that americans think like this when US games are the ones that get censored.
>>319519712
when the games were originally made for NTSC standards a whole lot of other downsides crop up. Lazily made PAL ports simply run 1/6th slower than the original game, and the change in resolution can seriously fuck up aspect ratio and other aspects of the graphics.
>>319522441
>I got it for free by paying
>>319524185
common upscaling issues. while making a pal game work on ntsc is way easier
>>319520583
Most people except french and russians would be totally fine if every game would be in english. It's really not a problem.
Buying the mobile versions of 3,vc and sa and chrome casting them on the telly is literally cheaper and has better graphics than buying the ps4 versions
>>319523795
>run flawlessly on the Xbox One
lets not go overboard there, SOME games work flawlessly. But at least the ones that do work everywhere
>>319521751
>mexican infestation
I'm fucking loving it, and also, they're Christians. How's muslim bitches covered in burkas from head to toe ready to blow themselves up working out for you?
>>319524814
Isn't /pol/ enough for you? Nobody gives a shit where you live.
>>319524671
m8. It is full-speed 360 emulator on notebook hardware, for FREE.
It is miracle.
>>319525287
Perfect Dark Zero runs slightly and I mean slightly worse on the xbone
Nuts and bolts runs like ass on the bone
gears runs fine though and I do not give a shit about Fall out 3 but that runs like ass as well
so two games I care about run fine and 2 run like shit, its not a very good emulator at all, I am happy its free and think the ps4 pay to play old games thing is bullshit
>>319525479
>Fall out 3 but that runs like ass as well
Ok, go away. Look at eurogamer article. It is pretty much perfect and even better (no tears).
>>319525552
>worse framerate
>better
okay come on now, don't be stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ_DxnCnHAg
>but its only worse in certain areas its no big deal
I prefer frame rate sorry
>>319524081
Video games are equally censored in EU and NA.
>>319525013
>America can play emulated PS2 games just fine
>google hot latina: "Holly fucking shit look at the ass on that one! so many bikinis!"
>Eurokucks run PS2 games at 10fps
>google hot muslim: a bunch of black robes and your laptop blows up because they were all suicide bombers
>>319517862
>25 fps
>PS2 emulation
Why are people complaining, Sony is just trying to keep the PS4 brand consistent.
>>319525690
>>worse framerate
Can you post 3 screens with it?
Also, 360 - stutters, xbo - no.
>>319524814
>they're Christians
lol. Sudacas are as much Christian as chinks are communists you retarded horny /b/tard.
>>319525964
>no they're not!
Stay salty, friend.
Pro tip: They're even more devout Christians than we are.
>>319525823
>be Eurofriend
>do image search for muslim women out of curiosity
Well, that was depressing.
>be american
>have to use RED CUPS
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