Why don't west put as much emphasis on character design as Japan does? Do they hate creativity and fantasy?
Realism is the perfect excuse for the talentless hack.
>>318299354
In general:
Western games are usually about self insertion and YOU are the hero.
Eastern games are more about following someone else along their journey, you are the guiding hand helping that hero.
>>318299726
Eastern games are about self-insertion aswell. It's why they usually have a boy with very neutral character as MC.
Japanese characters tend to be over-designed. When the west copies that, we get DeviantArt tier shit. So instead, the west plays it safe and leaves their characters looking really bland.
>>318299726
That's bullshit. Most games aimed at boys/young men make their main protagonist as easy for young Japanese to self-insert into as they can.
The West isn't as focused on selling characters.
>>318299354
They do, it's only that weeaboos don't know shit about character design and only care if it's an oversexualized character or it's overdesigned.
>>318301179
>oversexualized
lol, there's no such thing anon, unless you're a faggot
Design by committee
West can't draw so how the fuck they could design anything.
>>318301737
Is Milk the one with the big tats?
>>318299354
Because they are designing a video game, not writing a book. I couldn't care less what characters look like as long as the gameplay is good. If I want something where emphasis is on the characters then I'll read a book.
>>318299726
It's funny that Japan does self-insert character better too
>>318301179
>OP's pic
>overdesigned
>>318300225
"Overdesigned" doesn't apply to character design
>>318302110
>the west can't draw
Nigga, when western artists where working on masterpieces like the sistine chapel the Japs were making crap like pic related.
>>318302780
>caring about the past
>>318302452
I'm playing this game now, it's blown my mind how amazing everything about it is.
>>318300594
This is actually pretty true, a character design has to also do well in terms of figures and cosplay
It was a factor in Quiet's design from what I remember
I love the BD designs.
>>318302847
>not caring about the past
Those forget history are doomed to repeat it.
>>318302901
It does great things with the fact that you as a player exist. It's almost like MGS2 tiers of greatness. Too bad everything else about the game is pretty medicore. I still enjoyed it though.
>>318299354
>Random valkyrie bimbo from Fantasy Sweden
>Creative
>>318303096
He said he starts from the ass.
>>318303361
Makes sense, work your way from the bottom up.
>>318301936
I guess those character designers have to keep modify their designs so nobody at office is offended. I remember someone talking about how they were designing an MC for a western shootan game. The purpose was to make something unique. After numerous alterations and staff feedback, they had ended up on the generic bald space trooper.
>>318303361
A man with his priorities straight.
>>318300594
Pretty much. Character Goods are big in japan, not as much in the west when it comes to games - we used to do it for cartoons, though. Those were all about selling toys.
Also, the western AAA gaming industry tends to have a slavish devotion to photorealism, or at least a desire to reach towards it at all times, to the detriment of many aspects of the game.
>>318303845
When you're incompetent, it's easier to just gun for photorealism. That way, you can just turn videogame development into assembly-line production.
>>318303101
>Forget about western art and japs horrible art.
>Repeat it, now the west has good art and japs are bad again
How is that bad.
>>318303986
yup. I've always thought that it takes less actual talent to look at a picture and reproduce it, than it does to invent a fantasy image and draw it into being with no reference point. But I'm not an artist, what do I know?posting some western character design that I actually like.
If only the west could produce such masterpieces.
>>318303161
what game?
>>318304136
I feel like Skullgirls almost doesn't count, it's so heavily Eastern-influenced.
>>318304136
>literally Hakumen
>>318304313Ar Nosurge
![MGR-Limited-Edition-White-Raiden-Action-Figure-01-600x600[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PxcW3Y4.jpg "MGR-Limited-Edition-White-Raiden-Action-Figure-01-600x600[1]")
>>318304353
reminds me more of Raiden from MGR, but they're all good designs.
>>318304542
Of course
Blizzard is the definition of derivative, and yet they churn out stuff that looks good (at least in the concept art stage of things)
>>318304334
Rayman has pretty great visual direction all around, I think.
you know what game had great character design and animations, and deserves a sequel that's an actual GAME this time?
morrowind was rad and the newer deus ex games have some great design, but I think devs are just scared to do new shit in regards to design/universe.
its the same with the japs really its just that they have a different version of generic to us
>>318299354
because they don't want to offend anyone and western rpgs are about being the special snowflake
>>318304136
The ME3 devs were literally just googling images and tracing them. That's how lazy some of them get. And that was a fucking sci-fi game.
>>318305001
Recently I've played
>Ar Nosurge
>Atelier
>Steins;Gate
>Resonance of Fate
>Tales of Xillia 2
They all have very different settings, artstyle and overall design, That's not generic at all.
>>318303096
I really wish I got the special edition. Looks great
>Agnes is said to be a "plain Jane" in game
My sides
>>318305297
Pretty ironic that Japs did WRPG design better than America did
>>318299354
Japan's declining birthrates reinforce the idea that they only need to pander to certain audiences and can therefore easily target them. Meanwhile in the US big band corporations have to deal with knowing any kind of sexualization or generalization of a minority or "opressed group" will have mass social and general media griping at their balls. In the end, it's better to play it safe and create bland single sided characters with no outstanding characteristics.
Also the teenage lesbean complex is slowly permeating through the minds of game devs.
>The Last of Us
>Life is Strange
>>318305297
slightly unrelated, but I'm noticing that every Jap RPG is starting to basically look like a single-player MMO, and they all feature the same wide-open grassland plains.
>>318305220
I could also name 5 western games with different artstyles, well done.
>>318305297
we are talking about games in general not just 2 specific genres m8
>>318305559
That's just because its easier to make big empty fields that can be copy-pasted rather than design real levels.
>>318304770
So the french are good at designing characters too?
It seems like a matter of aesthetics appreciation.
Who else is good at it? Already getting the impression that Americans can't into character design.
>>318305692
And those were just my recently played. For the sake of argument, name those 5 western games and I'll keep going too.
>Fate/Extra
>Kingdom Hearts
>Final Fantasy 13
>Bravely Default
>Persona 3
On top of my head.
>>318306013
anon, FF13 and KH have the same style. KH just also includes Disneyshit, which is - you guessed it - Western.
I mean, I agree with your point, but there are better examples.
>>318306396
>FF13 and KH have the same style
No. This is wrong.
>>318304136
I see:
>Clint Eastwood
>Raiden
>Borderlands Guy
>Gimly
>Voldo
>Mitsurugi
>Samus
>Darth Revan
>Storm
Also the big robot's and the gorilla's designs look familiar, but they don't ring any bells.
I understand that everything is a remix, and the art style is indeed nice, but they coulda out more effort into the design. I mean, let's not kid ourselves here, the only truly original designs are the two females in the center, the angel chick, and thr robot to the far right.
>>318299354
The west isn't generally pandering to NEETs and pedophiles. However in games that do, such as Skullgirls and Indivisible, you see similar levels of waifubaiting design.
>>318306818
Do you identify as an sjw or do you just enjoy shitposting?
>>318303096
Shame the game was shit.
>>318306817
Oh wait, I got it, the Gorilla is like Beast from the Xmen, also, I just noticed the bot is meditating, which is pretty much Dalhsim, not Voldo.
So yeah...
>>318306986
>not enjoying THE best turn based battle system in all of gaming
I guess you hate fun
>b-b-but muh story!
Fuck off. It's a game.
>>318306817
A design doesn't need to be original to look nice. I'm not grading these people on their artistic integrity, only on what the final product looks like.
Street Figher doesn't have a single original idea in its entire body when it comes to character design, but I'll fight anyone who doesn't think the World Warriors are the best assembly of characters in any fighting game ever.
>>318306972
>Do you identify as an sjw
You can easily infer that I'm not based on the fact that I don't support Indivisible, the most SJW pandering western game since the ARK Project.
>>318306972
He's right anon, the west focuses more on not hurting people's feelings or causing an sjw uproar against their shit.
Hmmm?
What's wrong with Western characters>
>>318303096
Fuck yeah breh
Akihito Yoshida is a god among vidya artists
>why dont the x do as much as y does? do they hate z and h?
fuck these kind of threads - do nothing but stir controversy
>>318306817
The robot is basically a RAcast from PSO. I can't not see one when I look at him.
the japs are even better with Western characters than the West is.
>>318304136
>posting some western character design that I actually like.
worst taste in the thread, please kill yourself
G-man looks fine
>>318307840
>left
a description of a character's personality, with zero description of actual character design.
>right
mainly description of abilities and involvement in story, but at least a little bit of actual character design with the white hair and young looks.
>>318307247
The difference with Street Fighter is that their designs don't immediately hark back to something else.
I mean, it's fine to rip off of something as an intentional reference or homage, like pic related.
But when you take too much from one source, and try to copy paste it as original, it just feels cheap, and like the artist lacks creativity.
Look, I know that ALL works are derrivative. That everything is a copy of a copy of a copy. However, truly original ideas come from accepting this fact, and trying to take in as many varied sources as possible to make something more original.
In the case of Overwatch, a lot of the characters just feel like the artists took their favorite characters from things they like, and simply remade them. It just communicates that the artists hired have little imagination, and a very small and limited visual library.
Like the characters they made, they don't feel like homages, many of them just feel like remakes. All the characters mines the yime jump chick still need a fair number of hours of redesign to get something truly unique. They need more varied source references.
>>318303807
Who needs fanart when even the official art is this focused on the sexy parts?
>>318308168
MK has pretty bad character design. For the longest time, it was a parade of technocolor ninjas, and extras from B-movies.
Now, they made the ninjas more distinct, and a few of them look pretty good. But everybody else is still shit-tier. Muddy colors, lack of focal design elements, generally boring all around.
>>318302698
Over designed doesn't apply to anything.
>>318308329
Fuck, this image just reminded me of some anon's story of finding a monstrosity that could only be called a "dragon" on a farmer's field. With the farmer then shooting his shotgun at it in an attempt to make it fuck off.
edea has a fat butt
>>318308329
Left are Wyverns you fucking dolt.
>>318308329
It's a magic animal from an alternate reality that has gods and magic and they aren't even necessarily evolved.
If people like the idea of armless dragons that's fine, but they can have different shapes. Classic conceptions of Tiamat frequently have her being like, as much Sea Serpent as anything, and a number of the Dragons in medieval lore are more "Worm-y" and resemble giant snakes.
They have both in some games, and it works fine.
>>318308613
You mean "cute", right?
>>318299354
god i love her fucking tights
>>318299354
There's nothing wrong with Western character designs. Nothing wrong.
>>318308329
Except those "Japanese" designs are based off of European dragons. Actual Japanese dragons don't have wings at all.
>>318308329
>posting wyverns as dragons
>not knowing that the wings on back design is of western originAny insect puts the "lol wing-limbs" thing into the trash.
>>318308329
This is the problem with western design. Western artist have very little divergent thinking skills since everythinh must adhere to very strict rules of what constitutes something.
Meanwhile, Japan is basically redefining what a dragon could be since it's fantasy and it doesn't matter. As long as the image vaguely adheres to what people recognize as a dragon, it's fine. This allows their artists more freedom and flexibility, and lets them focus on more visually appealing designs tham the west.
Meanwhile, in western design, everything looks very similar.
>>318299354
>chinks
>good character design
topkek
>>318308930
>I don't understand it so it's bad
>I can't into immersion so it's bad
>>318308965
Tell me dragon, why are you so sad?
>>318309035
>Western artist have very little divergent thinking skills since everythinh must adhere to very strict rules of what constitutes something.
Does this look like a fucking bandicoot to you?
It all depends on what you are working with anon
>>318309035
Just for reference:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_thinking
>>318308378
I guess I just don't get that feeling from anybody except the xbox ninja. Maybe I just haven't played the things they supposedly "ripped off", but I think people are too hard on overwatch because it's the designated Shitting Game that we're not allowed to like.
and SF is blatant as fuck with its ripoffs, Q is Robot Detective K, Bison is Washizaki, Rose is Lisalisa, Balrog is Mike Tyson, Fei Long is Bruce Lee, Hugo is Andre the Giant, etc.
>>318309256
It's less common man, that the main thing.
Plus, that's a cartoon design. Those ALWAYS have the most creative freedom, since they're pretty much working exclusively with silhouettes.
It's a documented fact though, that divergent thinking skills decrease in the west as people get older.
Look that shit up.
>>318309256
>Does this look like a fucking bandicoot to you?
Please, Crash isn't representative of current western degradation.
He's more than 10 years old for crying out loud.
>>318307138
>not enjoying THE best turn based battle system in all of gaming
eehh
it's has been the best we've had in a while, I'll give you that
Every thread
>>318299354
some people just don't like white haired teenagers and would rather have interesting character designs
>>318309256
the west has two modes - Cartoons, and Serious Stuff for Serious Things.
When they're doing cartoons, you get a lot of fun stuff, and they follow completely different rules of character design. People pay attention to silhouette, color theory, etc.
When they're trying to be Serious, we get bald dudes.
>>318304453
can you emulate the ps3 yet?
>>318309527
forgot pic related
I haven't even played Braverly and I still love it.
>>318308329
>realistic dragons
>>318299354
because *gasp* eastern character design is bad.
It's edgy/slutty/impractical/makes no sense. Each character has at least one but often more of the above.
It's just a childish approach to design and people can't relate to that shit.
>>318299354
Western games are designed to fit an agenda while japs believe in freedom of creativity.
No one is really at fault, it's just a different culture and upbringing. Although games developed in eastern europe aren't affected by this problem as much.
>>318309698
>*gasp*
>>318299354
PIZZA
CUTTER
SWORD
>>318309365
But see, in the case of SF those characters don't feel like ripoffs, they feel more like homages since in mist cases, they're different enough.
I mean look, Samus was based of Ripley, but look at both MCs and how different they are from each other. Sure, it's derivative work, but it doesn't stay too close to home. Now look at the power suit chick and compare her to Samus... I mean, you could practically replace them.
Now, I'm not shitting on OW, I think the game looks fun, and I like the concept behind the designs, they're all cool ideas, and very varied. I'm just saying though, they could have used a lot more work.
>>318309493
this is a much more recent design
>>318309132
thingken of my kind
just don't understand why they always give up with the face.
It's like they'll make these super elaborate designs with spikes on spikes on spikes and zippers and pladded skirts with metallic linings and shotguns sticking out of the sides but then when it comes to the most expressive part of the human body they just sorta go "eh".
Agnes is an angel.
>>318309527
Some people also don't like brown/black haired mid 30s caucasian men with a five o' clock shadow present in every western game without an animal based protag, woman or child which don't show up as often.
>>318309627
Sonic, Kirby and Yoshi and hey, they still star in recent games.
>>318307419
I really love his work.
>>318309905
too niche, and unrelatable
>>318309979
>just don't understand why they always give up with the face.
I wonder that myself, I mean, shit like the Witcher just look so half assed and dull when they get to the face.
>>318307138
>THE best turn based battle system in all of gaming
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, kiddo. Not to mention that no matter how flawless a game's mechanics may be, repetition is bound to be it's biggest fault. Look at DMC4.
>>318309873
Samus doesn't share any character design traits with Ripley, let's not be stupid here.
>>318310089
We all do.
>>318307594
>Banishing anime from general acceptance
>Implying anime was mainstream before the mid-2000's
Source on this bullshit image.
>>318309782
pardon me your Honor, I take back what I wrote
>>318308329
I love when people get autistic over "real" dragons. I always wonder if these people even know that dragons are fictional creatures.
>>318309905
>this is a much more recent design
And similar orc/troll/goblin designs have existed for years.
>>318309979
You got it backwards. Simpler faces allow for more expressive facial expressions.
Always enjoyed Amano's art
And I agree with that anon saying that the West tends to focus on photo realism far too much
>>318301179
This, you weebs that talk about muh character design don't know shit about good design. The only Jap dev that has good character design is From Software, and they arguably have the best designs of any dev.
Their armor is aesthetically pleasing yet functional that is to say form=function which is the basis of any outstanding design. Most Jap devs have neither form nor function because their form is a shitfest of Belt buckles or huge ugly armors (or lack of armor for girls) which cannot function properly.
Also all your faces are generic as fuck
>>318309510
>Dark Souls
>Amerifat
Fuck off
>>318310079
sonic is shit now and yoshi and kirby rarely get any new games so its official western devs make better character designs since japan only makes white haired teenagers now
The real question is why are weebs so insecure? Really trying to force these East vs. West threads.
>>318310352
>form=function which is the basis of any outstanding design.
Spoken like a true westacúck
>>318310389
did someone actually fall for it, after all these years?
>>318309873
>Samus was based off of Ripley
So you just have no idea what Sigourney Weaver looks like then, right?
>>318310325
same could be said over any design in a game
>>318299354
LOL BUT EVERY ANIME JUST LOOK DE SAME XD
>>318310089
the tactics ogre psp art isn't yoshida. the designs are and the artist studied under him.
>>318310225
I never got bored with BD's system because there was ALWAYS new jobs/abilities that I would try to combine and find out interesting combos.
I bet you are one of those who found one broken combination and stick with it trough the rest of the game.
>>318308329
Doesn't Skyrim have dragons with four limbs and wings on the back? And isn't that the most bland, grey, dull, tolkeinist WRPG to exist?
>>318310248
Yes, and with Bison it's been stated to be a homage. And plus, nor is Bison a good example either.
As for Samus, Ripley was this inspiration, and she managed to be radically different, that's my point. That's good character design. Stray from the source inspiration as far as you can.
>>318310431
Really? It's always westkeks who get so defensive and assmad when we discuss things like this.
>>318309979
there are very subtle differences between animu style faces, but usually it's more fitting to establish the art style than go full detail mode and make it look like a gallery of caricatures
>>318307594
The fact that a small island nation of little more than 100 million people can compete with two entire continents of more than a billion people is amazing in itself.
By all rights, the whole West vs East dominance in gaming should be horribly, horribly in the West's favor
>>318310352
In a fictional universe why the hell does armor have to look like our real armor in order to be acceptable to you autists?
Why west can't into cute girls?
I love this kind of design
>>318310409
>so its official western devs make better character designs since japan only makes white haired teenagers now
Eh, R&C aren't going to last and their designs are still a relic of the past not representative of the current state of things.
I guarantee it's going to bomb comparatively to the sales of the system due to it not being realisticor good.
>yoshi and kirby rarely get any new games
Yoshi you're correct with, Kirby always makes at least two appearances a gen.
>>318310352
Yeah man, the West makes the greatest faces in gaming, for sure
>>318310437
I know already you are a tasteless faggot, tell me do you also have posters of animu characters on your walls instead of actual art?
>>318310627
you cherry pick western characters to suit your needs are you really suprised
>>318310721
It's a mystery. Why is West still lagging behind Nips with ten times the population?
>>318310621
you're gonna have to tell me what design elements Samus and Ripley share, anon. It sounds like you read an interview where they said some shit, but that doesn't mean it has any basis in reality.
If you asked the Blizzard people, maybe they'd tell you Farrah was inspired by Halle Berry or Sofia Loren or something.
>>318306663
No. You are wrong.
>>318310921
TRIGGERED
>>318310874
>realism is still popular
>>318310874
>Yoshi rarely gets any new games
it had two this year alone
>>318311108
That dude has great tits.
>>318310721
>competing
Most of them bitched out and fled to handheld/mobile or closed shop after the PS2 era precisely because they couldn't compete.
>>318310437
Form
The form of a work is its shape, including its volume or perceived volume. A three-dimensional artwork has depth as well as width and height. Three-dimensional form is the basis of sculpture.
>However, two-dimensional artwork can achieve the illusion of form with the use of perspective and/or shading or modelling techniques.
All of the above look retarded and bad if not realistic. So in essence, anon was right. If you skew the function of perspective or how light actually works your gonna have a bad time.
This is what him, me and other westakeks see in your weeb designs.
>>318310731
Doesn't have to look real. Just has to look consistent and functional. No point in wearing something stupid unless said character is stupid.
>>318310352
next you're going to say that combat needs to be realistic to be fun
>>318310627
Not really. It's always just weebs sticking their head in the sand and avoiding any real discussion.
>>318311138
>this one game that won't sell a million copies disproves Mass Effect, Skyrim, Fallout, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and GTA
>>318310925
>you cherry pick western characters to suit your needs are you really suprised
He says picking western characters that haven't made an appearance in a new game in years.
All you really have in the sea of middle aged men is Knack and this monstrosity.
>>318308329
>your fictional fiction has to abide to real standards of evolution!!!!
autists have problems separating fiction and reality
>>318311138
Yes it is.
Especially with society as it is shunning the fantastical and colourful deeming it childish for the gritty and realistic.
>>318299354
Muh realism
>>318311254
Thieves in Time came out two years ago.
>>318311025
See>>318311153
Also, pic related. Which again goes back to my point. Taking from multiple sources. The inspiration for the character was Ripley and Alien, that's why she's female. Because the idea stemmed from there, and they wanted to shock players. But other aspects of her design came from other places.
>>318311426
>Especially with society as it is shunning the fantastical and colourful deeming it childish for the gritty and realistic.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
we can all agree that the west cannot into cute, right?
>>318310731
Which is objectively better looking a Bugatti or a 911?
The correct answer would be a 911, why? Because it's not gaudy, its not exaggerated, it simply is refined and does what it needs to do while still being beautiful.
The designs on your animu tier characters are a Bugatti, gaudy, useless, flashy and objectively ugly. It's not about realism its about being tasteful which weebs aren't. Otherwise you would be praising Japanese architectural or fashion design, not this shit.
>>318310731
We're the autists??
THIS isn't autistic to you??
>>318309698
>Muh grounded tolkeinism
>Muh realism
>Muh practicality
God forbid you think outside of the box when dealing with fantasy right? It's not fantasy in grounded realism so it must be shit! There has to be a practical purpose for every detail! You're the reason WRPG's are stagnant.
>>318311252
none of these are realistic
>>318311254
sly is getting a game with his movie same with ratchet and clank
They do, except their goal is to make them as ugly and disgusting as possible
>>318311618
Taste being subjective.
And a 911 being horribly designed car.
>>318311594
Hell, I would even say the idea for the design of Samus power suit originated from pic related.
Just compare it to the NES sprite and colors. But now look at the power suit now.
>>318311764
This, they are too afraid that SJW mafia will pound them in ground if they were to create beautiful characters.
>>318311618
i know this is bait but i just can't read this comment without picturing a faggot with a dick in his mouth.
>>318311667
and they are selling better than ever. yeah, it was totally a bad choice.
sorry but if my armor has more spikes than an iron maiden it looks stupid
I love how imaginative and charming this looks. Westacúcks wouldn't know what charm is.
>>318311667
Good science fiction/fantasy is grounded in reality, you lack that you go full retard. The stupid "magic can do everything" bullshit is half of why people think fantasy is such a goddamn pleb-tier genre in the first place.
>>318311169
Man, keep telling yourself that, you might actually believe it one day
Not a single truly great American game came out in just this year
>>318311764
this is some shitty bait
>>318312012
>Good science fiction/fantasy is grounded in reality,
Jesus this fucking autist
>>318312012
>Good science fiction/fantasy is grounded in reality
I smell a contradictory statement.
Because in the west, if it's too sexual/pretty, then feminist feel threatened that they cannot compete.
Japs usually do western better than westerners do when they make it a point to. The only time they really fuck up is when they go totally overboard with their animu bullshit like in >>318304142
Why are the japs so fucking retarded? Deep Down, FFXV, MGSV,all games with disastrous development cycles, built on poor-quality in-house engines which will never be used for other games. I am amazed at what a colossal and tragic waste of manpower, talent and money they have all proven to be, producing something that has a subset of the functionality of off-the-shelf engines in 2015.
>>318312012
Why can't they just ban stupid westkeks like you that we others at least can have decent discussion here?
based yoji shinkawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISiR_Iw3lo
>>318311594
>>318311153
you're reaching for the fucking stars with this, and I can pull the same shit to justify any of the characters in overwatch.
the fact that they apparently used Alien as an inspirational starting point for Metroid doesn't mean that any of Samus' actual character design features came from there. Their inspiration was conceptual and tonal, which basically doesn't matter as far as character design goes.
Robo-monk is "inspired" by the the Dhali Lama, archer samurai is "inspired" by Robin Hood, etc. Just as superficial and meaningless as claiming Ripley inspired Samus.
>>318312370
I can forgive Pizza Cutter boy since the attitude towards experimentation and outlandish things opens the door for greater things. No success without failure.
>>318312507
mgs made its money back and ff 15 will probably make its money back
>>318312012
>The stupid "magic can do everything" bullshit is half of why people think fantasy is such a goddamn pleb-tier genre
>Magic has to be realistic
Like how? How do you make the most unbelievably fantastical element in a fantasy story realistic? Do you realize how retarded this sounds?
No point in replying to autist westacúcks anymore.
>>318308329
>wyverns are dragons but dragons aren't dragons
Gets me every time
>>318312646
>missing the point this hard
Whatever.
>>318312676
I can agree with that, as long as we can acknowledge that some of these creatures truly are abominations.
>>318311764
>>318311883
the truly sad part is how militant the betakeks are about making "realistic" looking women in their games. like, make what you want to make but it's obvious they're pandering to plain janes and 4s while the west is crafting solid 8s 9s and 10/10s
>>318312507
fuck off tim sweeny, we get it, you're made they didn't use your unreal engine, no reason to bitch about it.
>>318311153
Wait, so are you saying Samus being in a suit is ripping off Alien because Ripley wears a suit for 2 minutes at the end?
>>318313135
>while the west
I meant *the east is making
God, you butthurt westkeks are truly pathetic.
>>318299354
they do
>>318313135
All games pander to someone
>>318299354
you sure about that?
Reminder that this design is now too controversial for sensitive west.
>>318312012
>The stupid "magic can do everything" bullshit is half of why people think fantasy is such a goddamn pleb-tier genre in the first place.
The reason people think it's a pleb genre is because of people like you not because of the whole "magic can do everything" because that's rarely ever a thing. Hell, they even make it a point in most fantasy novels to say something along the lines of "magic is not an end all solution" and then have the MC face some kind of turmoil or problem that magic can't fix.
It's people like you that keep on dragging fantasy down to it's base elements of "medieval, brawl with a troll".
>>318310481
Fuck off leno, I don't fall for nothing bitch.
>>318313491
she is a kid so that makes sense
>>318311153
That space suit Ripley has on sure looks exactly like Samsus' power suit.
Oh, wait.
Deus Ex had great designs
Also different games focus on different things.
You know what I always find amusing in these threads, the fact that eastnerds shit on westkeks with screenshots while they post concept art in their defense. All this looks nice and dandy (if you look at visual appeal only) but change the pose or angle and you fucks are screwed. How about some of those nice looking designs in an actual 3d environment?
How can you expect anything good from the west now that SJWs are in charge and people think that showing beautiful characters in entertainment is literally a crime?
>>318311618
The 911 and the Bugatti Veyron both look like shit, the difference is Bugatti isn't afraid to be ostentatious as fuck with their richfag cars like Porche is.
>>318313801
Just fuck off, westkek.
>>318313801
>How about some of those nice looking designs in an actual 3d environment?
Your turn kek
>>318313404
but only in the west do they pander to everyone. they compromise because they want the biggest audience possible, whereas the japanese care more about delivering a service and keeping the customers they have
>>318311635
I don't see anything wrong with that. He looks well-armored, and frankly pretty intimidating. I wouldn't want to get into single combat against him.
>>318311615
Was that designed by westerners? Because that's certainly not cute.
>>318313404
Not really, the artistic choice to create and display beauty in your work isn't "pandering".
Especially when western games seem to have nothing buy male models characters while the females look like they suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome.
>this is considered 10/10
>it's okay when japan pushes unappealing furshit
>>318313926
>nice
you taste is so shitty you should be put down
that's a deviantart tier model.
kill yourself
>>318313973
But MUH PRACTICALITY IN FANTASY GAMES
>>318299354
It's easier for them to animate I guess. I don't really know, I don't play many western games.
>>318304142
This guy's shoe is weird
>>318314114
You do realize DAI is full on SJW pandering?
>>318314143
>diverse body types and races that help build the world
>wah wah furry shit reee
do you remember the last time you had fun?
>>318314114
>westkeks think that this is what a good looking woman looks like
Can we agree that it's OK for different people to like different things? Is that such a controversial statement?
>>318313973
I sure as hell would, I'd make him stab himself with his own fucking spikes.
>>318307913
To be fair though, the East have a much better understanding of what makes a mecha look appealing. Westerners have no appreciation of humanoid robots.
>>318313962
Did you read what you just typed? Because it made no sense.
ALL games pander to an audience. Some audiences are bigger then other audiences but all games still pander to an audience.
>>318314143
That Maralith design is 10/10 though, sadly it didn't appear that way in game.
>>318314159
Westacúck mad as fuck
>>318313232
No, I'm saying that Samus' chsracter as a whole was drawn from Ripley, and that different aspects of her design were derrived from other sources thus making her radically different.
The "Overwatch style of design" for her woulda been something more like giving her a big gun, a tanktop, fuzzy hair, and sone mechanic slacks, adding some extra things for design, and maybe even added a few minor things to "change it a bit" (like giving Mitsurugi a bow, some cyborg parts, and calling it original).
I'm using Samus as an example of good character design due to how far she strays from Ripley which is known to be her inspiration and Alieb the inspiration for Metroid for anyone not retarded.
However, everyone seems to be missing the point and thinking that I'm trying to point out the similarities between then two, when what I'm doing in fact is showing DIFFERENT they are, despite Metroid being a derivative from Alien.
Samus is GOOD character design. That's part of the reason why she's so memorable and iconic. They could have just as easily put in a Ripley clone and said it was "inspired by" and called it a day.
>>318310791
Land whale get trigger easily
The West just wants to make simulators, the East wants to create actual video games.
>>318310791
Don't wanna offend office Tumblrina.
>CONSISTENCY IN A FANTASY SETTING IS BAD!
>>318313659
Being FUCKING RETARDED
>>318314395
>>318314395
>>318314395
>>318314395
>>318314395
Holy fucking shit reddit, fuck off!!
>>318307407
>skipping leg days
>>318314269
Other races are just exaggerated facets of humanity. Whatever you think you need non-human races for, you can probably just as well use different human cultures.
>>318314374
>I think I'll make this character beautiful. No, that would offend the ugly women
>I think I'll make this women helpless in one level. No, that would piss of the feminists
>I think I'll add in a gay man, black man and trans nigger but I have to remember that they aren't tokens they're people
That's pandering to everyone
In Japan these things are done with a sense of humor. In America they're done out of fear.
>>318314303
the spikes are all on his shoulders and outer arms. I don't see how he could stab himself with any of them.
>>318314383
no seriously, are you half blind? have you ever seen a good model?
But if you want at it sure then.
I asked to post 3d works off all the nice concept art going around, your pic is complete shit compared to what I asked, which is:
>>318299354
>>318299532
>>318303096
>>318303807
>>318305167
>muh practical design
imposing limits on your fantasy is just an excuse to hide the limits of your creativity.
>>318314575
It doesn't look like that in game, it is like constantly moving and is facing down the entire time. Regardless it is a great design but poorly implemented in game, didn't even realize those were legs when I played it.
>>318314608
Consistency is not same as practicality or realism.
>>318314681
You still haven't quite refuted the "All games pander to an audience" part.
Who cares what the reason is? Pandering is pandering is pandering and is ultimately done to capture a specific audience.
>>318314720
Then fucking post some you whiny brat. Or just fucking google it.
>west gives control of all creativity to tumblr SJWs and feminazis
>nobody dares to do anything creative anymore
>people still defend western vidya
How retarded you have to be to do this?
>>318310610
No, Skyrim dragons have wing-forelegs
>>318314701
... seriously?... you SERIOUSLY can't??
while wielding a giant ass greatsword?
I have nothing more to say to you, I honestly think you chronically lack a visual library and can't into physics.
>>318314736
It does have the upside of preventing atrocious garbage like you just posted, though.
>>318314903
Who are you quoting?
>>318315015
Reality
>>318314901
I wouldn't have asked for them If I've seen any ;)
How about you stop posting concept art and start posting screens? Since you shit on wrpgs via screens, it should only be fair, right?
>>318314861
Why would I refute it? I agreed with it and said the west does it poorly. They aren't pandering to gamers, they're trying to please people who don't even play games
>>318314608
Fantasy settings are consistent within the realms of their own universe.
What you want is fantasy as a genre to be the same thing across all of them rather than being, you know, fantastical.
>>318314916
Not him, but aren't dragons with 2 legs and wings with a european style design supposed to be wyverns? I've never played Skyrim.
>>318314701
Dude, almost the entire base of his sword is composed of giant spikes.
>>318310326
>Simpler faces allow for more expressive facial expressions.
>Simpler faces allow for more expressive facial expressions.
>Simpler faces allow for more expressive facial expressions.
>Simpler faces allow for more expressive facial expressions.
>>318315138
If the audience you want likes it then the pandering was done well.
>>318315173
No, according to heraldic tradition wyverns have two legs and two wing/forelegs
Dragons have four legs and two wings.
There's also lindworms, which IIRC are wingless
>>318315134
How about you stop telling me what to do, you nigger cocksucker.
How difficult would it be to emulate Bravely Default's aesthetic for someone who is just learning 3DCG?
>>318315313
yeah, how about you pander to me and fuck off faggot
>>318315435
triggered as fuck
>>318314983
Not the person you're responding too.
If the spikes were all over the place you would have a point, but the spikes are only on his outer arms. The only possible way he could have the spikes facing inwards is if he had his sword in front of to block an attack, but that would look fucking stupid as you can achieve the same result by simply having the area with the spikes face at an upper angle. You're being a little bit over dramatic with how just how many spikes he has.
>>318314861
Making beautiful things and people isn't "pandering" you fucking uneducated underage faggot
Try getting off tumblr and neogaf before you make statements that let everyone know how dumb you are.
>over designed anime characters that dont even look human are well designed
oh my sides
Fact: Japanese penis monsters are better than western penis monsters.
>>318315342
Oh that's what I was referring to. How many limbs do Skyrim dragons have?
>>318315305
It's true to an extent though. Really, a lot of the stuff on a person's face is kind of just clutter. When you break it down, the eyes and mouth are significantly more important for expressing yourself than any other aspect of the face.
>>318309527
>>318310079
What I don't understand is why people believe following trends when designing characters is a sure way to success. You don't need to make your MC another highschool teenager pretty boy or nondescript caucasian man just to make it successful, otherwise you're just falling in the shadow of another person's work in the hopes of gaining as much money as they did. Talk about how being greedy can actually hurt your success.
>>318311953
This guy here is what I'm talking about. All you care about is money, there is no real interest in the work you're making. Tolkien himself didn't make Lord of the Rings because he needed money, you think selling more than LotR would make Harry Potter a better story?
The problem is that the current game industry is completely dominated by people who can only imitate and improve(when they actually improve something) on the past works of people far better and more creative than they could ever hope to be.
Look at the past of Final Fantasy, Elder Scrolls and other old franchises. Now look at what they've turned into. This current generation of game developers is a complete disaster, they are incapable of producing creative work in the same scale past developers did. Why is that happening? It is because of you, /v/. You ruined everything when you started buying mediocre games like Pokemon, Call of Duty, Dork Souls, MMOs, MOBAs, The Witcher, Last of Us and other garbage of the same kind. Now all devs have their heads full of memes they cannot let go, the idea that they have to repeat the same games over and over again. It reminds me of MGS2, we are currently replaying the same games over and over again just with different skins and context. Correction: you are playing it again, not me. Go play your shitty modern games you love so much, SCUM.
>>318315097
hmm. you consider that creativity? interesting. i guess enjoy paying 60 bucks for poor mini games and nip slips
>>318315752
4, like your image. Wings are limbs
>>318310409
3D Platformers are about the only genre I enjoy that are mostly made by Westerners.
>>318315661
>THEY DIDN'T DO THIS THING IN THE GAME TO PANDER TO ANYONE! TH-THEY JUST WANTED TO DO IT JUST UHHH JUST BECAUSE
You are in for a rude awakening anon
>>318315661
he doesn't understand that pandering stifles/compromises creative freedom, and that eastern devs don't have to worry about offending tumblr landwhales throughout the development process
>>318310970
The west has no real appreciation for art as something viable while Japan does.
>>318315770
Dont defend anime shit literally using emoticons to convey emotion.
Japan makes something creative
>Japanese designs are too over the top, wacky, and not realistic or practical at all! Lol those wacky Asians!
Japan makes something nonwacky
>Asians have no creativity, they're just mindless drones ;)
![paladin_tier_2_judgement_set_by_peetietang[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hS7hKGe.jpg "paladin tier 2 judgement set by peetietang[1]")
>>318314990
Make fun of the Judgement set.
I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker.
>>318315649
are you not seeing the shoulder spikes which are 10cm from his throat at best?
what about the hip spikes which can pierce his arms and torso? Or the knee spikes where he'll fuck up his own legs if he brings them even close together (likely to happen if he falls or starts running in an awkward direction) OR like the other anon mentioned, the base of his fucking sword which will come close to his body numerous times during combat.
>>318312052
To be fair, no good game came out of Japan too.
This year was kinda bad for vidya.
>>318315963
>pandering stifles/compromises creative freedom
What if the artist LOVES pandering to people
>>318315963
Yeah, instead they pander to the niche, and awkward sensibilities of their cut-off from the rest of the world, island.
>>318315886
Sorry if this seems dumb, but then aren't they wyverns? I just googled one and it sure looks like a wyvern. Just a mite confused.
>>318316156
>Lewd magnolia
Now we're talking.
I'm surprised there's so little art of her.
>>318316238
Bethesda are hacks for a reason.
>>318316071
this is what we in the art world call "over" designed.
>>318314990
>muh timless minimalism
i'm sorry your western idols have no concept of layered design, or imagination beyond capeshit. i bet you think classic iron man looks better, too.
>>318316071
It actually clips through your characters head.
Nuff' said.
I'm a big fan of the look, but be real anon the shoulders are too damn big (it's WoW's trademark tho).
>>318302616
Her only redeeming qualities are her thighs though
>>318299354
Fuck off you just want more fapbait
>>318315305
They are though. Hence cartoons being simplest in design, yet notorious for the most expressive.
Are you retarded?
>>318316334
Ah. Thanks then.
>>318316370
>we in the art world
Kek. Enjoy being unemployed
![halolz-dot-com-typical-jrpg-character[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/haoUNIM.jpg "halolz-dot-com-typical-jrpg-character[1]")
>>318316370
>>318316429
>the belts again
What the fuck is up with that shitty trend?
>>318316370
"Over" designed is also a meaningless word in the art world.
>>318316071
>Judgement set
Hi, 40k, you're looking mighty overdesigned today.
>>318316083
You would have to move your body in some pretty fantastic ways to get those spikes to actually be in a proximity that can harm him. As for the sword, why we he have the sword proper facing such a way that could have the spikes impale him? I'm pretty sure that if the amount of spikes he had was cut in half and they were all facing completely outward you'd still bitch because it isn't standard plate/chain armor.
The weeaboo-ism on /v/ is getting out of hand. It's embarrassing.
>>318316429
>generic loli shit
What's good about this one?
>>318316312
Where is the tail coming from?
>>318316652
It's only two. And it started with Westerns. Watch the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
>>318315770
That's a pretty amateur thing to say to be honest. Getting ride of the nose just because you can't think of anything expressive to do with it is silly.
>>318316429
>>318316429
her underwear are literally the focal point of her whole wardrobe.
But she has a book too! She must be so smart even tho she's being a complete slut!
Wow I'm totally gonna take her seriously :^)
>>318316565
You are confusing more expressive facial expressions with facial expressions people can recognize. Just because it is easier to recognize them in simpler faces doesn't mean they allow for more expressive facial expressions at all.
>>318316128
>>318316179
the word pander is already getting annoying but it serves the point here
>pander-fest in the east
big titty ninjas in a beat-em up dynasty warriors game. good luck offending horny beat-em up fans
>pander-fest in the west
show so much as a bra strap or gratuitous ass shot and you'll be faced with hate mail and boycott campaigns from the very people you pandered to
the japanese are fearless
>>318316429
>muh frills and belts
>he literally thinks touhoushit is "layered design" and "imaginative"
Weebs are adorable. Pic related, an actually good nip design.
>>318316663
Breastplate + leather armor = best armor sets
>>318316924
Hello Tumblr.
>>318316731
It really isn't. It simply shows your lack of understanding of the term. You can go too far with your designs. This paladin has all kinds of problems, least of which is him dragging around his mace as if he can't hold it.
>>318316885
And because some bad western movie did it the japanese have an excuse when they do the same?
>>318316937
>Just because it is easier to recognize them in simpler faces doesn't mean they allow for more expressive facial expressions at all.
If you can recognize the facial expressions more than you can in a realistic artstyle that makes them more expressive anon.
>>318316663
>man is a faceless hulk of armor
>girl has cat ears, no helmet, a giant ponytail, and thighhighs instead of armor
NEETs are truly a delusional breed.
>>318316663
a proper female breastplate? on MY japanese video game girls?
ITT: People who don't know the first thing about art talking about art.
>>318317049
It's funny that this is the only argument weeb shitters have.
>>318316370
there is no such thing as "overdesign." there is good design and bad. some designs are bad because they have too many elements that don't work, either individually or together. but there is no arbitrary number of 'design elements,' nor an exact measurement of how much an element contributes to a design.
>>318316828
>Spiderman riding a motorcycle while throwing dead fish
>>318317001
>tumblr nose
Opinion discarded.
>>318316937
No, I'm not.
Less features on a face means you can exaggerate facial expressions a lot more without it being uncanny.
This is art 101 dude. Quit debating this, you don't know what you're talking about.
because western devs are sort of lazy and why put in effort when you could just rip off Warhammer and give everyone HUEG XBAWKZ-LIKE SHOULDERPADS?
>>318317109
Subtlety is a lost artform it appears
>>318317060
Actually, he is right. It really is.
Overdesigned is just YOUR OPINION because YOU prefer minimalistic designs. Don't pretend it is anything more than that.
>>318316893
>That's a pretty amateur thing to say
>>318317060
>It simply shows your lack of understanding of the term
>>318317179
>People who don't know the first thing
Okay hotshot we get it.
All things being considered - Japanese games have a tendency to over design costumes.
Westerners are less flamboyant.
>>318316737
No, if that were the case I'd say it looks like shit but I'd admit that it's functional because it serves to hurt his opponent.
But that isn't the case and you lack knowledge on anatomy and how it works.
Like did you ever play as a melee warrior, ever?
Dark souls will give you a good idea on the amount of places you could impale yourself on. Oh I just thought of the roll-kneel-get up.
He'd pierce his chest if he did that. And as I'm not "REALISM OR DEATH" I won't even throw the "he couldn't roll in that" speech.
>>318317179
Art is just a buzzword, so it is okay.
Critique this design.
>>318299354
>Emphasis on character design
>Japan has been making the same face for decades
>Creativity
>Everyone is just a dartboarded anime trope "personality" designed to pander to weeb fetishes
Or you could make legitimately different characters and realistic personalities, goals, and flaws.
>>318317060
>It simply shows your lack of understanding of the term
There's nothing to understand for a meaningless word.
Art is subjective, there is no "over" or "under" designed when art can be anything. The word you're looking for is "cluttered" but that would imply some kind of lack of cohesion.
It's why artschools are a ridiculous idea there's no right or wrong to art.
>>318317090
>GBU is bad
Pleb taste I see.
>>318317208
It's funny cause it's true. :^)
>>318317179
Who are you referring to?
>>318317212
Clutter is unappealing.
>>318317458
>implying that west is better with generic 30-year old bald men and strong womyn that are made ugly that SJWs don't get mad
>>318317341
Japanese character designs are painfully over-produced with no sense of minimalism, just like their music and plots.
>>318299354
>>318299532
The problem isn't that western artists are unimaginative or hacks, it's a simple matter of an age old cultural difference.
In the east the culture celebrates artistic abstractions. Things like gods and and demon killing teenagers etc. However in the west, the culture celebrates objectionistic art, things like superman with detailed musculature and impressionistic faces.
Great painters like leonardo, Giorgione, and the old masters made the west far more interested in the 'objective' and less abstract than the east. Thus now we have kpop models in final fantasy and squid girls for a nintendo franchise, and every western game is obsessed with grim and gritty details like Fallout4.
>>318317458
>Or you could make legitimately different characters and realistic personalities, goals, and flaws.
So, like the east?
Not every JRPG developer is Atlus you know.
>>318317440
It's good.
Design needs context, if it fits the context it's good. If not, it's not.
From there it's just subjective.
>>318317573
>Citing Bioware as "west" when all they make are western skinned JRPG dating sims
Always hilarious that weebs hate Bioware and Brony shit when it draws all the same parallels as their weebshit.
>>318317501
yes there is.
MOST people objectively turn away from both bland and overdesigned.
Because bland usually means it's flat and overdesigned usually means the viewers eye can't focus on anything and the pic is a complete mess.
THAT is objectively bad art, it catches nobodies attention and won't ever be looked at twice.
>>318304142
I lose my shit every time I see this.
Like, why funnel socks?
Why high heels?
Fucks sake, Japan.
>ITT I don't know how to make the design interesting, so I'll just make it plain and use the "practicality" excuse
protip: most of your western character designs aren't even practical. they're just both stupid and boring.
pic unrelated
>>318317610
which kpop model is in final fantasy?
>>318317440
>lacking belts
>not a highschool teenager pretty boy
>not caucasian enough
>RPG instead of a FPS with multiplayer
Shitty design. 0/10.
See me after class.
>>318317458
>Or you could make legitimately different characters and realistic personalities, goals, and flaws.
Don't forget to tell the same thing for the western artists.
Japs can't into aesthetics.
>>318314983
Nope, can't see how he'd hurt himself with those spikes.
>>318315190
And? He's not going to be swinging it with his tits, it's going to at least be at arm's length. He'd have to fall on that thing in order to hurt himself with it.
>>318317813
That's awful
>>318317823
dem football tits
The best japanese games are made by westaboos like Kojima, the Souls games, Matsuno, etc
>>318317501
>"Art is le subjective"
>"I define what art is or isn't."
>>318317109
Anon, I don't know how to break this to you, but he was implying that both realistic and simplistic faces allow for equal expression, and that simple faces are simply more accessible because autistic people have trouble reading complex faces.
Anon, I'm sorry, but it seems you might be autistic.
>>318318007
>The only good Japanese games are made by westaboos
FTFY.
Weebshit is the slop dragging down the video games industry in the East.
>>318302780
The Japs didn't have the Italian master race right next to them to teach them how to paint. Scandinavian/Northern European art before the Renaissance looked specially awful for example.
>>318317823
all of them, they're all kpop models.
>>318317890
As soon as he winds back to swing it's either gonna scrape his arm or shoulder.
>>318317754
>Because bland usually means it's flat and overdesigned usually means the viewers eye can't focus on anything and the pic is a complete mess.
Again, the word is "cluttered". Not "overdesigned".
>THAT is objectively bad art
There is literally no objectivity in art, especially when an "artist" can get away with selling a literal shit and piss soaked bed as art.
>>318318007
So Japan does the west better than the west does the west?
>>318317890
so confirmed for never hearing about anatomy.
this whole conversation was completely pointless since you have no idea what you were talking about.
fuck you for wasting my time
>>318310481
Big Bad Beetleborgs was the fucking shit.
>>318317257
>no-nose fag jelly of this glorious schnozz
Westerners: Metal and Spikes
East: Belts and Zippers
>>318317813
>they're just both stupid and boring.
True.
Pic related.
>>318314114
>can't dodge the rodge
>>318318007
this, jap games made for japs are terrible.
>>318318143
do you even art bro?
the image does not have to be cluttered to be overdesigned. I can put shoulders on my space marine that are a giant ass rhino horn each. It's only one object yet it's still giant and imposing for no reason whatsoever. That's overdesigning, not cluttering.
>>318317440
Lacks a bulge I guess.
>>318318531
don't be insensitive to xer body type
>>318317813
>ITT I don't know how to make the design interesting, so I'll just slap random shit on it and use the "glorious nippon" excuse
protip: most of your eastern character designs aren't even nippon. they're just both stupid and boring white people.
>this is a dragon
>>318317179
>tfw be an artist in this thread and see people throwing around art buzzwords/terms incorrectly and not knowing basic art history of different cultures
>>318318143
So if it sells it's art then? Whelp, guess my sperm is art.
There is actual scientific evidence that certain things in a drawing will look better to ANYBODY looking at it. Google the golden ratio and there's this hip new thing called composition.
>>318310089
Yoshida didn't design Ravness and had nothing to do with the remake that was Tsubasa Masao
>>318318672
Divergent thinking.
Both have godawful designs for the most part, I think the advantage is that weeabs usually are ok with crap as long as it's sexy or cute.
>>318318089
what exactly is western about souls games besides the gritty graphics? the tactical hack n slash gameplay? the zelda style progression? the focus on enemies and combat over NPC interaction? doesn't sound like a western game to me.
>>318318672
well he's the king of dragons dude. gotta look fabulous
Critique this design /v/
>>318317813
I'd rather have an unoriginal looking character than an ugly as fuck OC do not steal overdesigned mess.
Simplicity is highly underrated i think.
>>318318674
>art and art history are the same thing
You are not an artist.
>>318318672
All the bad designs in FFX and you chose one that actually looks cool.
>>318318672
>six limbs
>reptilian
>tail
It's all there. Seems a bit ornate, but dragons love treasure.
>>318318671
Japs being creative with their designs means a lot of awful shit like that is going to happen, but there are just as many creative designs that look great. Western character design is very homogenous in comparison. It's always "average", never great and never very bad.
>>318318509
clutter
ˈklʌtə/
verb
past tense: cluttered; past participle: cluttered
cover or fill (something) with an untidy collection of things.
The term is clutter anon.
Overdesigned can not be a thing because you can't go over on your own personal designs. If it's cluttered then it's still your design as intended with assets thrown in haphazardly with no cohesion like your space marine rhino.
And one can't "into" something that's inherently subjective either you find your own personal style or you don't.
>>318318868
Nearly all of those screenshots in the JRPG section are the dullest areas in their respective games and it still looks more varied.
>>318318868
Not the guy you're arguing with but the way it handle stats is more CRPG than JRPG I guess
>>318318672
Well it's a magical ghost dragon and not an actual living one.
>>318318868
>what exactly is western about souls games besides the gritty graphics?
Souls seems western fantasy - inspired. But I wouldn't say it's a "western" game at its core.
>>318318912
Generic anime garbage/10
>>318318672
This is also a dragon.
>>318318672
Good design, way better than yet just another green giant lizard with bat wings.
>>318318912
The bonnet looks stupid and the slingshot staff is ridiculous. The flowey dress is nice enough for a nun or schoolmarm or something but if she's supposed to be some sort of warrior it's not suitable at all.
>western hair
>always straight or ponytail
>nip hair always stylish
>>318318959
Where did I even say that?
>Artists can't learn art history or appreciate the differences of evolution in art among different countries
>>318318912
Is that brown Ichigo from Bleach?
>>318319269
she's a healer
>>318319091
>cover or fill (something) with an untidy collection of things
I will say it again I guess. There's literally ONE thing on each shoulder pad. ONE FUCKING SPIKE.
> you can't go over on your own personal designs
> find your own personal style
Ooohhh your THAT guy, I hope you enjoyed getting your ass ripped apart on /ic/ They didn't take kindly to your "stle" or OC? :^)
>>318319234
>>318318672
>six limbs
Dragons aren't supposed to have that many fucking limbs. It's two legs and a pair of wings, otherwise it isn't realistic.
>>318319269
maybe she slingshots magic gems at people
>>318319306
>>318319391
Meant to post this
>>318319061
Don't kid yourself, there's plenty of dreadful Western art and plenty of boring and homogenous Nipshit. SMT is a great example of the latter, where everyone looks exactly the same except with a different animu head slapped on the team uniform, or a collection of utterly generic high schoolers. They save all their creativity for monsters, I guess.
>>318319391
>Can't even mention IX as an example of a medieval setting.
>>318319061
Why do you think Western character design looks so average? It's because western character design has set the standard for good design, and you've become familiar with it.
Jap character designs swings between good and bad so often, but western character design is consistently good.
>>318314736
Awwww shit mah nigguh Kendal!
>>318318912
It's good.
See>>318317660
Rance's design fits the context and properly communicates the character.
Design basically comes down to:
Is it interesting?
Does it properly fit the setting?
Does it effectively and efficiently communicate the intended message?
If you answer yes to all three, then it's a good desigb. If not, it's not.
>>318319221
>rance
>generic
u wot m8
>>318319424
I'll buy it, then.
>>318319505
That sounds painful.
>>318319306
>nip hair always stylish
>always
Don't think so.
Also, Yugi from Yugioh comes to mind.
>>318319234
that ass tho
>>318319552
>western character design is consistently good.
U wot m8
>>318317440
I don't get how people think this shit looks good. Never played the game, but the helmets look ridiculous and derivative of >>318318828 and the designs overall are very boring. I don't see why everyone loves that artist.
Only things he's ever done that I really liked have been the Devil Trigger designs for Dante and Vergil in DMC3, if that were even the same artist.
>>318319531
because 9 was the most boring game in the history of FF, and of course nomura wouldn't talk about it anyway too medieval for him. not enough spikes, belts, etc.
So long as the character designs accurately represent the world of the game in question then they are fine.
Different games attempt to go for different sort of looks. The world of Fallout is unforgiving violent rough and ugly and so the designs reflect this by having the characters look unforgiving, rough and violent. The world of Persona 4 is a pretty happy carefree world with a darkside so the character designs are pretty and happy and everyone is wearing casual carefree clothing with the occasional messed up looking Shadow.
At that point it is just a matter of what kind of world you enjoy more then the other.
Pic unrelated
>>318319221
>rance
>garbage
top kek
>>318318672
FFX had many questionable design choices but the summons were the best part. Even their 'corpses' looked eerie and interesting.
>All the cherry picking in this thread
>>318319218
>Souls seems western fantasy - inspired
Definitely doesn't take inspiration from typical WRPG settings. The world of the Souls is very original compared to the samey Tolkien stuff found in nearly every single medieval themed WRPG out there.
The only thing Souls has really in common with WRPGs is being able to create your own character.
>>318317001
>touhoushit
>not knowing grimgrimoire
i want underage to leave
>>318319512
>but in a way we're running out of ideas
It is not like Nomura had any good ideas to begin with.
He was always a shitty designer, I suspect he would've made a hair of belts if he had his way completely.
>>318319761
>grimgrimorie
>old
Let me guess, your first game was Kingdom Hearts.
>>318319306
28 is the best hair
>>318299354
i don't know why this conversation even needs to take place; pretty soon, it will no longer be haram to create depictions of living things in the west
>>318319306
Western developers don't like longer hair styles because animating longer hair and making sure it doesn't look like shit when a character moves takes a bit of work to do.and western developers are lazy
>>318319481
>I will say it again I guess. There's literally ONE thing on each shoulder pad. ONE FUCKING SPIKE.
Which has no cohesion with the rest of the design and clashes horribly.
That's a cluttered design.
>Ooohhh your THAT guy, I hope you enjoyed getting your ass ripped apart on /ic/ They didn't take kindly to your "stle" or OC? :^)
/ic/ being a prime example of 4chan's famous "boards know jack shit about the things they're about" thing.
Such as /v/, /vp/, /mu/, /g/, /pol/, /x/ and so on I could list them all but you get the picture.
Basically the only people to go to these boards are the people who have an interest in the topic but don't know what it is fully which is why you get a conglomeration of people that know fuck all
>>318319492
The fact that Smaug can fly without using magic is far more unrealistic than an animal with more than four limbs.
>>318319306
r8
>>318319756
Just because souls isn't Tolkeinesque doesn't mean it isn't western-inspired. Look at Undead Burg or Anor Londo. Those are more western-influenced then they are eastern.
>>318317001
Surprisingly, not a single 2hu wears a belt.
>>318318115
his arms and shoulders that are armored. so I'm still not seeing what the problem is. A blade simply touching armor doesn't destroy the armor, otherwise what's the point of even wearing it?
>>318319738
You don't like cherries? Did you ever try one?
>>318319761
>that design
>not touhoushit
doesn't matter what game it's from, if it looks that bad it's touhoushit.
>>318319997
>color coordinate
>dont make a key
>>318320009
They're holding up the frills.
>>318318197
I've never heard of anatomy? Ok, that's a great cop out for not being able to explain problems with armor.
>>318319552
No. It's consistently average. There's a reason why most memorable videogame characters are from Japanese games. Because they look unique.
>>318319904
it's not that it's old, it's that you wouldn't know about it if you were a kid at the time.
>>318319521
>They save all their creativity for monsters, I guess.
Of course they do, it's the draw. It's the same with Pokemon but horndogs only give a shit about the characters.
>>318320131
>doesn't understand basic color associations
Green is good, yellow is neutral, red is bad.
When will western devs and Japanese artists finally join forces? And I don't mean the shit artists from Japan that make weeb loli trash.
IMO this is all western games need. The problem is the dreary, uninspired environments and characters. Bring them to life with some of the genius artists from Japan, and you have the best games ever made.
>>318320045
But why use a sword that is scraping your armor every time you swing it?
>>318319756
>souls doesn't take inspirations from typical western WRPG settings
Souls apes the high gothic setting, a setting which has been a staple of western fantasy for decades now. All souls does is rip off western fantasy, which is what it's creative director set out to do. Quote Miyazaki "I didn’t have a dream. I wasn’t ambitious"
Japanese design tend to be crazier, if done properly they end up being unique but when it goes south they end up being retarded.
Western designs are usually more realistic and less crazy, so the chances of them looking retarded are lower but a lot of them will look boring or uninteresting.
>>318320210
>Green is good, yellow is neutral, red is bad.
>actually believing this
>>318319951
>Which has no cohesion with the rest of the design and clashes horribly.
That's a cluttered design.
No it isn't, you even posted the fucking definition. What the fuck is wrong with you?
As for /ic/ the hivemind obviously knows more than you do (which is saying something about you).
it's painfully obvious nobody liked your shit so you blame all of them for your shit art to protect your ego. THAT'S what makes you a bad artist, admit you made shit and you'll actually learn how design and art in general works.
>>318316924
that isn't underwear
>>318320198
>hating on pokegirl design
pokemon designs are a mixed bag, but pokegirls are consistently top tier
>>318319997
>Just because souls isn't Tolkeinesque doesn't mean it isn't western-inspired
It is Western inspired, but that inspiration doesn't come from WRPGs. Otherwise it would be about dwarves, elves and humans bullshit. That's what I meant.
>>318316156Holy fuck the street name/signs captcha can go eat a fucking dick, holy shit.
>>318320375
Absolutely this.
>>318320375
/thread
>>318320210
You have shit taste in hair
A western game company could never make a game like this one. They have no creativity at all.
>>318316429
why are balloon shorts so arousing
>>318311615
Some kind of Animal Crossing clone?
>>318320572
Oops. Forgot the pic.
>>318320151
I'm not drawing it out for you faggot, the sheer fact that you can't even think for a few misely seconds how his limbs and body interact with each other and the fact that you can't comprehend that something like spiked armor clashing into each other won't let him fucking move his limbs for a good 50% of what they could.
Your an idiot and have NO idea what your talking about, it's obvious to everyone. I'm done with you
>>318320592
>balloon shorts
You mean bloomers. Also called granny panties.
>Japanese "design"
>99.9% loli weeb garbage
It must be easy when you can just throw a bunch of garbage together under the pretext of "rule of cool" and call it a day. Being forced to work within the confines of a realistic, believable story takes actual artistic skill.
But I suppose if you're an overworked salaryman battling crippling depression then a world full of colorful lolis is the type of balm you'd crave.
>>318316156
>tfw you find the chibi version a million times hotter than the regular proportion version
>>318320592
Because you're a basement neckbeard so starved for sexual attention that you can find something arousing in the most innocent of things?
>>318312561
>Why can't I be surrounded by only people that think like me so I can jerk off and pretend I'm intellectual over shit-tier cartoon fap bait?
Seriously anon, do you even understand the point of a discussion? You meet up with opposing ideas and present your arguments to strengthen them and to stop being such b8.
Then you call each other faggots.
>>318320430
It looks like Victorian underwear anon and she's wearing it underneath a skirt. You'll have to forgive me for the misconception.
>>318320301
maybe he has a technique that involves him not scraping his own armor?
>>318320434
It's good that Pokemon designs are hit and miss because they're trying different things that will appeal to different people in different ways. It's not hard to make cute girls for nerds to fap to and it has no significance anyway.
>>318320565
what's your taste then fuccboi
>>318320860
This. A world full of colorful lolis is the most soothing goddamn thing in existence, even more so when they are neatly designed, simple in background, yet inspiring and believable in action.
I love Atelier's designs are they worth playing
>>318321159
Full scans when?
>>318320751
Nah, I think you're full of shit. That's pretty much the best possible armor design.
>>318320860
So one is generic and boring while the other is a retarded Mary Sue?
A tough choice, indeed.
>>318321009
Boring realism versus retarded fantasy harem.
Different flavors of shit, but still shit regardless.
>>318320860
choose one
>crazy unrealistic
>realistic
crazy unrealistic all day
>>318314608
This is why most anime is idiotic. There is no narrative cohesion, and it's just all mindless pandering to 12 year old boys with the odd half-decent thing published now and again. It's like if all fan fiction was deemed highbrow.
>>318321212
Do you like item crafting and exploration?
>>318320009
Not a leather one but doesn't Youmu wear a belt? Or else what are her scabbards attached to?
Why are East shitters and West shitters always start crap with each other? Both art styles have their fair share or problems. East's problem being most of their designs being overdesigned, incredibly stupid, and mostly have same face like in >>318320458 . The West's problem being most designs look good but incredibly bland. One is not better than the other. They both have plenty positives and negatives.
>>318321091
Right now his design says he can't, only way to prove he can is to see him in action. And if you need additional information to see if he can fight or not means it's a bad design.
>>318319306
>>318319512
Ah, yes. The "haircut that you only see in style magazines because it takes literally 3 hours in the chair and 10 bottles of spray to get" look. Because you're supposed to believe that a peasant has the time and resources to do any of this.
FF is really a bad example if you're trying to defend Japanese design. They dropped all pretense of designing actual "characters" ages ago. It's really just one big sex doll factory now. Any developer that defends the concept of "sex sells" as an actual artistic vision is a foolish hack to be dismissed from serious conversation.
>>318320860
>Being forced to work within the confines of a realistic, believable story takes actual artistic skill.
HAHAHAHHAHAH
Do you honestly believe that, Fido? Neither takes any skill at all. You know what takes skill? Make an enjoyable story, instead of just making a Perfumery of a work and calling it a day.
>>318321263
Not who you're replying to but you have really shit taste
>>318321224
Do they not exist? I have the full thing, but it would take a long-ass time to scan it all.
>>318320289
They have, its the garbage heap called Project Phoenix.
>>318319492
>two legs and a pair of wings
>dragon
>not a wyvern
>>318321532
Maybe he has magic and shit. It's a fantasy game, after all.
>>318321579
wtf is this list, Soul Nomad is brilliant.
>>318316238
>>318316334
>>318316579
>>318308329
It is worth remembering though that the Wyvern model is how Dragons have always looked in Elder Scrolls, ever since Daggerfall and Redguard. The Dragon models in Morrowind and Oblivion followed this as well.
If Skyrim Dragons were actual classical Dragons instead of Wyverns it would have not been lore friendly.
>>318314608
>if it isn't repeating the same things I already saw in older works then it isn't consistent
>>318321579
redeux
>>318321712
Nah, I have objectively great taste.
>>318318113
>Scandinavian/Northern European art before the Renaissance looked specially awful for example.
Not really. Their sculptures were pretty great and their jewellery was downright magnificent.
It's mainly drawing they sucked at (when not drawing symbols anyway).
>>318321328
They're not deemed highbrow but having selling power. We can rag on it for being masturbatory and that's true, but it does take some skill to sell your battle haremshit when you're competing with many others.
>>318321691
DO it then :) post some actual artwork work pen monkey, pick up a pencil and do it :)
>>318321830
He just took it for the cover. He probably never played the game.
But Soul Nomad wasn't brilliant at all.
>>318321807
Maybe he has, his design doesn't show it tho, so still. Needs additional information.
Still bad design.
>>318321334
is it possible to make a more boner-inducing character?
>>318320314
there are a lot of gothic themed JRPG's but you wouldn't claim they ape western styles because the gameplay is turn based.
DaS2 is a lot less gothic and DeS is hardly gothic at all.
>>318309608
the ps3 version of arns is crap
>>318321980
Hold on. Wait. Please don't be mad at me. I feel bad when people get angry at me on the internet.
I just said what I think and that is freedom of speech. You're not against, are you? Remember what your parents told you in the past: deep down you are a special person and you know it.
>dress like a slut
>somehow less sexy than a full clothed character model
The superior Japanese design, featured in one of the most famous and well funded video game franchises of all time.
>>318321957
So the same as the Japs then. They were good at pottery and sculptures. They just sucked at painting and sucked for a longer period of time than Europe in general because they didn't have anyone next to them to teach them the proper techniques.
>>318312561
Who is this semen demon
>>318321369
I'll try it then.
I've only recently got into RPG, 30 hours into strange journey and the demon fusing is pretty addictive.
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