Why don't west put as much emphasis on character design as Japan does? Do they hate creativity and fantasy?
Realism is the perfect excuse for the talentless hack.
>>318299354
In general:
Western games are usually about self insertion and YOU are the hero.
Eastern games are more about following someone else along their journey, you are the guiding hand helping that hero.
>>318299726
Eastern games are about self-insertion aswell. It's why they usually have a boy with very neutral character as MC.
Japanese characters tend to be over-designed. When the west copies that, we get DeviantArt tier shit. So instead, the west plays it safe and leaves their characters looking really bland.
>>318299726
That's bullshit. Most games aimed at boys/young men make their main protagonist as easy for young Japanese to self-insert into as they can.
The West isn't as focused on selling characters.
>>318299354
They do, it's only that weeaboos don't know shit about character design and only care if it's an oversexualized character or it's overdesigned.
>>318301179
>oversexualized
lol, there's no such thing anon, unless you're a faggot
Design by committee
West can't draw so how the fuck they could design anything.
>>318301737
Is Milk the one with the big tats?
>>318299354
Because they are designing a video game, not writing a book. I couldn't care less what characters look like as long as the gameplay is good. If I want something where emphasis is on the characters then I'll read a book.
>>318299726
It's funny that Japan does self-insert character better too
>>318301179
>OP's pic
>overdesigned
>>318300225
"Overdesigned" doesn't apply to character design
>>318302110
>the west can't draw
Nigga, when western artists where working on masterpieces like the sistine chapel the Japs were making crap like pic related.
>>318302780
>caring about the past
>>318302452
I'm playing this game now, it's blown my mind how amazing everything about it is.
>>318300594
This is actually pretty true, a character design has to also do well in terms of figures and cosplay
It was a factor in Quiet's design from what I remember
I love the BD designs.
>>318302847
>not caring about the past
Those forget history are doomed to repeat it.
>>318302901
It does great things with the fact that you as a player exist. It's almost like MGS2 tiers of greatness. Too bad everything else about the game is pretty medicore. I still enjoyed it though.
>>318299354
>Random valkyrie bimbo from Fantasy Sweden
>Creative
>>318303096
He said he starts from the ass.
>>318303361
Makes sense, work your way from the bottom up.
>>318301936
I guess those character designers have to keep modify their designs so nobody at office is offended. I remember someone talking about how they were designing an MC for a western shootan game. The purpose was to make something unique. After numerous alterations and staff feedback, they had ended up on the generic bald space trooper.
>>318303361
A man with his priorities straight.
>>318300594
Pretty much. Character Goods are big in japan, not as much in the west when it comes to games - we used to do it for cartoons, though. Those were all about selling toys.
Also, the western AAA gaming industry tends to have a slavish devotion to photorealism, or at least a desire to reach towards it at all times, to the detriment of many aspects of the game.
>>318303845
When you're incompetent, it's easier to just gun for photorealism. That way, you can just turn videogame development into assembly-line production.
>>318303101
>Forget about western art and japs horrible art.
>Repeat it, now the west has good art and japs are bad again
How is that bad.
>>318303986
yup. I've always thought that it takes less actual talent to look at a picture and reproduce it, than it does to invent a fantasy image and draw it into being with no reference point. But I'm not an artist, what do I know?posting some western character design that I actually like.
![Ffta22[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xB0heKH.jpg "Ffta22[1].jpg")
If only the west could produce such masterpieces.
>>318303161
what game?
>>318304136
I feel like Skullgirls almost doesn't count, it's so heavily Eastern-influenced.
>>318304136
>literally Hakumen
>>318304313Ar Nosurge
![MGR-Limited-Edition-White-Raiden-Action-Figure-01-600x600[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PxcW3Y4.jpg "MGR-Limited-Edition-White-Raiden-Action-Figure-01-600x600[1].jpg")
>>318304353
reminds me more of Raiden from MGR, but they're all good designs.
>>318304542
Of course
Blizzard is the definition of derivative, and yet they churn out stuff that looks good (at least in the concept art stage of things)
>>318304334
Rayman has pretty great visual direction all around, I think.
you know what game had great character design and animations, and deserves a sequel that's an actual GAME this time?
morrowind was rad and the newer deus ex games have some great design, but I think devs are just scared to do new shit in regards to design/universe.
its the same with the japs really its just that they have a different version of generic to us
>>318299354
because they don't want to offend anyone and western rpgs are about being the special snowflake
>>318304136
The ME3 devs were literally just googling images and tracing them. That's how lazy some of them get. And that was a fucking sci-fi game.
>>318305001
Recently I've played
>Ar Nosurge
>Atelier
>Steins;Gate
>Resonance of Fate
>Tales of Xillia 2
They all have very different settings, artstyle and overall design, That's not generic at all.
>>318305001
>>318303096
I really wish I got the special edition. Looks great
>Agnes is said to be a "plain Jane" in game
My sides
>>318305297
Pretty ironic that Japs did WRPG design better than America did
>>318299354
Japan's declining birthrates reinforce the idea that they only need to pander to certain audiences and can therefore easily target them. Meanwhile in the US big band corporations have to deal with knowing any kind of sexualization or generalization of a minority or "opressed group" will have mass social and general media griping at their balls. In the end, it's better to play it safe and create bland single sided characters with no outstanding characteristics.
Also the teenage lesbean complex is slowly permeating through the minds of game devs.
>The Last of Us
>Life is Strange
>>318305297
slightly unrelated, but I'm noticing that every Jap RPG is starting to basically look like a single-player MMO, and they all feature the same wide-open grassland plains.
>>318305220
I could also name 5 western games with different artstyles, well done.
>>318305297
we are talking about games in general not just 2 specific genres m8
>>318305559
That's just because its easier to make big empty fields that can be copy-pasted rather than design real levels.
>>318304770
So the french are good at designing characters too?
It seems like a matter of aesthetics appreciation.
Who else is good at it? Already getting the impression that Americans can't into character design.
>>318305692
And those were just my recently played. For the sake of argument, name those 5 western games and I'll keep going too.
>Fate/Extra
>Kingdom Hearts
>Final Fantasy 13
>Bravely Default
>Persona 3
On top of my head.
>>318306013
anon, FF13 and KH have the same style. KH just also includes Disneyshit, which is - you guessed it - Western.
I mean, I agree with your point, but there are better examples.
>>318306396
>FF13 and KH have the same style
No. This is wrong.
>>318304136
I see:
>Clint Eastwood
>Raiden
>Borderlands Guy
>Gimly
>Voldo
>Mitsurugi
>Samus
>Darth Revan
>Storm
Also the big robot's and the gorilla's designs look familiar, but they don't ring any bells.
I understand that everything is a remix, and the art style is indeed nice, but they coulda out more effort into the design. I mean, let's not kid ourselves here, the only truly original designs are the two females in the center, the angel chick, and thr robot to the far right.
>>318299354
The west isn't generally pandering to NEETs and pedophiles. However in games that do, such as Skullgirls and Indivisible, you see similar levels of waifubaiting design.
>>318306818
Do you identify as an sjw or do you just enjoy shitposting?
>>318303096
Shame the game was shit.
>>318306817
Oh wait, I got it, the Gorilla is like Beast from the Xmen, also, I just noticed the bot is meditating, which is pretty much Dalhsim, not Voldo.
So yeah...
>>318306986
>not enjoying THE best turn based battle system in all of gaming
I guess you hate fun
>b-b-but muh story!
Fuck off. It's a game.
>>318306817
A design doesn't need to be original to look nice. I'm not grading these people on their artistic integrity, only on what the final product looks like.
Street Figher doesn't have a single original idea in its entire body when it comes to character design, but I'll fight anyone who doesn't think the World Warriors are the best assembly of characters in any fighting game ever.
>>318306972
>Do you identify as an sjw
You can easily infer that I'm not based on the fact that I don't support Indivisible, the most SJW pandering western game since the ARK Project.
>>318306972
He's right anon, the west focuses more on not hurting people's feelings or causing an sjw uproar against their shit.
Hmmm?
What's wrong with Western characters>
>>318303096
Fuck yeah breh
Akihito Yoshida is a god among vidya artists
>why dont the x do as much as y does? do they hate z and h?
fuck these kind of threads - do nothing but stir controversy
>>318306817
The robot is basically a RAcast from PSO. I can't not see one when I look at him.
the japs are even better with Western characters than the West is.
>>318304136
>posting some western character design that I actually like.
worst taste in the thread, please kill yourself
G-man looks fine
>>318307407
>>318307840
>left
a description of a character's personality, with zero description of actual character design.
>right
mainly description of abilities and involvement in story, but at least a little bit of actual character design with the white hair and young looks.
>>318307247
The difference with Street Fighter is that their designs don't immediately hark back to something else.
I mean, it's fine to rip off of something as an intentional reference or homage, like pic related.
But when you take too much from one source, and try to copy paste it as original, it just feels cheap, and like the artist lacks creativity.
Look, I know that ALL works are derrivative. That everything is a copy of a copy of a copy. However, truly original ideas come from accepting this fact, and trying to take in as many varied sources as possible to make something more original.
In the case of Overwatch, a lot of the characters just feel like the artists took their favorite characters from things they like, and simply remade them. It just communicates that the artists hired have little imagination, and a very small and limited visual library.
Like the characters they made, they don't feel like homages, many of them just feel like remakes. All the characters mines the yime jump chick still need a fair number of hours of redesign to get something truly unique. They need more varied source references.
>>318303807
Who needs fanart when even the official art is this focused on the sexy parts?
>>318308168
MK has pretty bad character design. For the longest time, it was a parade of technocolor ninjas, and extras from B-movies.
Now, they made the ninjas more distinct, and a few of them look pretty good. But everybody else is still shit-tier. Muddy colors, lack of focal design elements, generally boring all around.
>>318302698
Over designed doesn't apply to anything.
>>318308329
Fuck, this image just reminded me of some anon's story of finding a monstrosity that could only be called a "dragon" on a farmer's field. With the farmer then shooting his shotgun at it in an attempt to make it fuck off.
edea has a fat butt
>>318308329
Left are Wyverns you fucking dolt.
>>318308329
It's a magic animal from an alternate reality that has gods and magic and they aren't even necessarily evolved.
If people like the idea of armless dragons that's fine, but they can have different shapes. Classic conceptions of Tiamat frequently have her being like, as much Sea Serpent as anything, and a number of the Dragons in medieval lore are more "Worm-y" and resemble giant snakes.
They have both in some games, and it works fine.
>>318308613
You mean "cute", right?
>>318299354
god i love her fucking tights
>>318299354
There's nothing wrong with Western character designs. Nothing wrong.
>>318308329
Except those "Japanese" designs are based off of European dragons. Actual Japanese dragons don't have wings at all.
>>318308329
>posting wyverns as dragons
>not knowing that the wings on back design is of western originAny insect puts the "lol wing-limbs" thing into the trash.
>>318308329
This is the problem with western design. Western artist have very little divergent thinking skills since everythinh must adhere to very strict rules of what constitutes something.
Meanwhile, Japan is basically redefining what a dragon could be since it's fantasy and it doesn't matter. As long as the image vaguely adheres to what people recognize as a dragon, it's fine. This allows their artists more freedom and flexibility, and lets them focus on more visually appealing designs tham the west.
Meanwhile, in western design, everything looks very similar.
>>318299354
>chinks
>good character design
topkek
>>318308930
>I don't understand it so it's bad
>I can't into immersion so it's bad
>>318308965
Tell me dragon, why are you so sad?
>>318309035
>Western artist have very little divergent thinking skills since everythinh must adhere to very strict rules of what constitutes something.
Does this look like a fucking bandicoot to you?
It all depends on what you are working with anon
>>318309035
Just for reference:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_thinking
>>318308378
I guess I just don't get that feeling from anybody except the xbox ninja. Maybe I just haven't played the things they supposedly "ripped off", but I think people are too hard on overwatch because it's the designated Shitting Game that we're not allowed to like.
and SF is blatant as fuck with its ripoffs, Q is Robot Detective K, Bison is Washizaki, Rose is Lisalisa, Balrog is Mike Tyson, Fei Long is Bruce Lee, Hugo is Andre the Giant, etc.
>>318308329
>>318309256
It's less common man, that the main thing.
Plus, that's a cartoon design. Those ALWAYS have the most creative freedom, since they're pretty much working exclusively with silhouettes.
It's a documented fact though, that divergent thinking skills decrease in the west as people get older.
Look that shit up.
>>318309256
>Does this look like a fucking bandicoot to you?
Please, Crash isn't representative of current western degradation.
He's more than 10 years old for crying out loud.
>>318307138
>not enjoying THE best turn based battle system in all of gaming
eehh
it's has been the best we've had in a while, I'll give you that
Every thread
>>318299354
some people just don't like white haired teenagers and would rather have interesting character designs
>>318309256
the west has two modes - Cartoons, and Serious Stuff for Serious Things.
When they're doing cartoons, you get a lot of fun stuff, and they follow completely different rules of character design. People pay attention to silhouette, color theory, etc.
When they're trying to be Serious, we get bald dudes.
>>318304453
can you emulate the ps3 yet?
>>318309527
forgot pic related
I haven't even played Braverly and I still love it.
>>318308329
>realistic dragons
>>318299354
because *gasp* eastern character design is bad.
It's edgy/slutty/impractical/makes no sense. Each character has at least one but often more of the above.
It's just a childish approach to design and people can't relate to that shit.
>>318299354
Western games are designed to fit an agenda while japs believe in freedom of creativity.
No one is really at fault, it's just a different culture and upbringing. Although games developed in eastern europe aren't affected by this problem as much.
>>318309698
>*gasp*
>>318299354
PIZZA
CUTTER
SWORD
>>318309683
yes?
>>318309365
But see, in the case of SF those characters don't feel like ripoffs, they feel more like homages since in mist cases, they're different enough.
I mean look, Samus was based of Ripley, but look at both MCs and how different they are from each other. Sure, it's derivative work, but it doesn't stay too close to home. Now look at the power suit chick and compare her to Samus... I mean, you could practically replace them.
Now, I'm not shitting on OW, I think the game looks fun, and I like the concept behind the designs, they're all cool ideas, and very varied. I'm just saying though, they could have used a lot more work.
>>318309493
this is a much more recent design
>>318309132
thingken of my kind
just don't understand why they always give up with the face.
It's like they'll make these super elaborate designs with spikes on spikes on spikes and zippers and pladded skirts with metallic linings and shotguns sticking out of the sides but then when it comes to the most expressive part of the human body they just sorta go "eh".
Agnes is an angel.
>>318309527
Some people also don't like brown/black haired mid 30s caucasian men with a five o' clock shadow present in every western game without an animal based protag, woman or child which don't show up as often.
>>318309627
Sonic, Kirby and Yoshi and hey, they still star in recent games.
>>318307419
I really love his work.
>>318309905
too niche, and unrelatable
>>318309979
>just don't understand why they always give up with the face.
I wonder that myself, I mean, shit like the Witcher just look so half assed and dull when they get to the face.
>>318307138
>THE best turn based battle system in all of gaming
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, kiddo. Not to mention that no matter how flawless a game's mechanics may be, repetition is bound to be it's biggest fault. Look at DMC4.
![arkivet_172445[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fbeX7TR.jpg "arkivet_172445[1].jpg")
>>318309873
Samus doesn't share any character design traits with Ripley, let's not be stupid here.
>>318310089
We all do.
>>318307594
>Banishing anime from general acceptance
>Implying anime was mainstream before the mid-2000's
Source on this bullshit image.
>>318309782
pardon me your Honor, I take back what I wrote
>>318308329
I love when people get autistic over "real" dragons. I always wonder if these people even know that dragons are fictional creatures.
>>318309905
>this is a much more recent design
And similar orc/troll/goblin designs have existed for years.
>>318309979
You got it backwards. Simpler faces allow for more expressive facial expressions.
Always enjoyed Amano's art
And I agree with that anon saying that the West tends to focus on photo realism far too much
>>318301179
This, you weebs that talk about muh character design don't know shit about good design. The only Jap dev that has good character design is From Software, and they arguably have the best designs of any dev.
Their armor is aesthetically pleasing yet functional that is to say form=function which is the basis of any outstanding design. Most Jap devs have neither form nor function because their form is a shitfest of Belt buckles or huge ugly armors (or lack of armor for girls) which cannot function properly.
Also all your faces are generic as fuck
>>318309510
>Dark Souls
>Amerifat
Fuck off
>>318310079
sonic is shit now and yoshi and kirby rarely get any new games so its official western devs make better character designs since japan only makes white haired teenagers now
The real question is why are weebs so insecure? Really trying to force these East vs. West threads.
>>318310352
>form=function which is the basis of any outstanding design.
Spoken like a true westacúck
>>318310389
did someone actually fall for it, after all these years?
>>318309873
>Samus was based off of Ripley
So you just have no idea what Sigourney Weaver looks like then, right?
>>318310325
same could be said over any design in a game
>>318310265
>>318299354
LOL BUT EVERY ANIME JUST LOOK DE SAME XD
>>318310089
the tactics ogre psp art isn't yoshida. the designs are and the artist studied under him.
>>318310225
I never got bored with BD's system because there was ALWAYS new jobs/abilities that I would try to combine and find out interesting combos.
I bet you are one of those who found one broken combination and stick with it trough the rest of the game.
>>318308329
Doesn't Skyrim have dragons with four limbs and wings on the back? And isn't that the most bland, grey, dull, tolkeinist WRPG to exist?
>>318310248
Yes, and with Bison it's been stated to be a homage. And plus, nor is Bison a good example either.
As for Samus, Ripley was this inspiration, and she managed to be radically different, that's my point. That's good character design. Stray from the source inspiration as far as you can.
>>318310431
Really? It's always westkeks who get so defensive and assmad when we discuss things like this.
>>318309979
there are very subtle differences between animu style faces, but usually it's more fitting to establish the art style than go full detail mode and make it look like a gallery of caricatures
>>318307594
The fact that a small island nation of little more than 100 million people can compete with two entire continents of more than a billion people is amazing in itself.
By all rights, the whole West vs East dominance in gaming should be horribly, horribly in the West's favor
>>318310352
In a fictional universe why the hell does armor have to look like our real armor in order to be acceptable to you autists?
Why west can't into cute girls?
I love this kind of design
>>318310409
>so its official western devs make better character designs since japan only makes white haired teenagers now
Eh, R&C aren't going to last and their designs are still a relic of the past not representative of the current state of things.
I guarantee it's going to bomb comparatively to the sales of the system due to it not being realisticor good.
>yoshi and kirby rarely get any new games
Yoshi you're correct with, Kirby always makes at least two appearances a gen.
>>318310352
Yeah man, the West makes the greatest faces in gaming, for sure
>>318310437
I know already you are a tasteless faggot, tell me do you also have posters of animu characters on your walls instead of actual art?
>>318310627
you cherry pick western characters to suit your needs are you really suprised
>>318310721
It's a mystery. Why is West still lagging behind Nips with ten times the population?
>>318310621
you're gonna have to tell me what design elements Samus and Ripley share, anon. It sounds like you read an interview where they said some shit, but that doesn't mean it has any basis in reality.
If you asked the Blizzard people, maybe they'd tell you Farrah was inspired by Halle Berry or Sofia Loren or something.
>>318306663
No. You are wrong.
>>318310921
TRIGGERED
>>318310874
>realism is still popular
>>318310874
>Yoshi rarely gets any new games
it had two this year alone
>>318310516
>>318311108
That dude has great tits.
>>318310721
>competing
Most of them bitched out and fled to handheld/mobile or closed shop after the PS2 era precisely because they couldn't compete.
>>318310437
Form
The form of a work is its shape, including its volume or perceived volume. A three-dimensional artwork has depth as well as width and height. Three-dimensional form is the basis of sculpture.
>However, two-dimensional artwork can achieve the illusion of form with the use of perspective and/or shading or modelling techniques.
All of the above look retarded and bad if not realistic. So in essence, anon was right. If you skew the function of perspective or how light actually works your gonna have a bad time.
This is what him, me and other westakeks see in your weeb designs.
>>318310731
Doesn't have to look real. Just has to look consistent and functional. No point in wearing something stupid unless said character is stupid.
>>318310352
next you're going to say that combat needs to be realistic to be fun
>>318310627
Not really. It's always just weebs sticking their head in the sand and avoiding any real discussion.
>>318311138
>this one game that won't sell a million copies disproves Mass Effect, Skyrim, Fallout, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and GTA
![01-620x[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HPlSrDX.jpg "01-620x[1].jpg")
>>318310925
>you cherry pick western characters to suit your needs are you really suprised
He says picking western characters that haven't made an appearance in a new game in years.
All you really have in the sea of middle aged men is Knack and this monstrosity.
>>318308329
>your fictional fiction has to abide to real standards of evolution!!!!
autists have problems separating fiction and reality
>>318311138
Yes it is.
Especially with society as it is shunning the fantastical and colourful deeming it childish for the gritty and realistic.
>>318299354
Muh realism
>>318311254
Thieves in Time came out two years ago.
>>318311025
See>>318311153
Also, pic related. Which again goes back to my point. Taking from multiple sources. The inspiration for the character was Ripley and Alien, that's why she's female. Because the idea stemmed from there, and they wanted to shock players. But other aspects of her design came from other places.
>>318311426
>Especially with society as it is shunning the fantastical and colourful deeming it childish for the gritty and realistic.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
we can all agree that the west cannot into cute, right?
>>318310731
Which is objectively better looking a Bugatti or a 911?
The correct answer would be a 911, why? Because it's not gaudy, its not exaggerated, it simply is refined and does what it needs to do while still being beautiful.
The designs on your animu tier characters are a Bugatti, gaudy, useless, flashy and objectively ugly. It's not about realism its about being tasteful which weebs aren't. Otherwise you would be praising Japanese architectural or fashion design, not this shit.
>>318310731
We're the autists??
THIS isn't autistic to you??
>>318309698
>Muh grounded tolkeinism
>Muh realism
>Muh practicality
God forbid you think outside of the box when dealing with fantasy right? It's not fantasy in grounded realism so it must be shit! There has to be a practical purpose for every detail! You're the reason WRPG's are stagnant.
>>318311252
none of these are realistic
>>318311254
sly is getting a game with his movie same with ratchet and clank
They do, except their goal is to make them as ugly and disgusting as possible
>>318311618
Taste being subjective.
And a 911 being horribly designed car.
>>318311594
Hell, I would even say the idea for the design of Samus power suit originated from pic related.
Just compare it to the NES sprite and colors. But now look at the power suit now.
>>318311764
This, they are too afraid that SJW mafia will pound them in ground if they were to create beautiful characters.
>>318311618
i know this is bait but i just can't read this comment without picturing a faggot with a dick in his mouth.
>>318311667
and they are selling better than ever. yeah, it was totally a bad choice.
sorry but if my armor has more spikes than an iron maiden it looks stupid
I love how imaginative and charming this looks. Westacúcks wouldn't know what charm is.
>>318311667
Good science fiction/fantasy is grounded in reality, you lack that you go full retard. The stupid "magic can do everything" bullshit is half of why people think fantasy is such a goddamn pleb-tier genre in the first place.
>>318311169
Man, keep telling yourself that, you might actually believe it one day
Not a single truly great American game came out in just this year
>>318311764
this is some shitty bait
>>318312012
>Good science fiction/fantasy is grounded in reality,
Jesus this fucking autist
>>318312012
>Good science fiction/fantasy is grounded in reality
I smell a contradictory statement.
Because in the west, if it's too sexual/pretty, then feminist feel threatened that they cannot compete.
Japs usually do western better than westerners do when they make it a point to. The only time they really fuck up is when they go totally overboard with their animu bullshit like in >>318304142
>>318312002
Why are the japs so fucking retarded? Deep Down, FFXV, MGSV,all games with disastrous development cycles, built on poor-quality in-house engines which will never be used for other games. I am amazed at what a colossal and tragic waste of manpower, talent and money they have all proven to be, producing something that has a subset of the functionality of off-the-shelf engines in 2015.
>>318312012
Why can't they just ban stupid westkeks like you that we others at least can have decent discussion here?
based yoji shinkawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISiR_Iw3lo
>>318311594
>>318311153
you're reaching for the fucking stars with this, and I can pull the same shit to justify any of the characters in overwatch.
the fact that they apparently used Alien as an inspirational starting point for Metroid doesn't mean that any of Samus' actual character design features came from there. Their inspiration was conceptual and tonal, which basically doesn't matter as far as character design goes.
Robo-monk is "inspired" by the the Dhali Lama, archer samurai is "inspired" by Robin Hood, etc. Just as superficial and meaningless as claiming Ripley inspired Samus.
>>318312370
I can forgive Pizza Cutter boy since the attitude towards experimentation and outlandish things opens the door for greater things. No success without failure.
>>318312507
mgs made its money back and ff 15 will probably make its money back
>>318312590
>>318312012
>The stupid "magic can do everything" bullshit is half of why people think fantasy is such a goddamn pleb-tier genre
>Magic has to be realistic
Like how? How do you make the most unbelievably fantastical element in a fantasy story realistic? Do you realize how retarded this sounds?
No point in replying to autist westacúcks anymore.
>>318308329
>wyverns are dragons but dragons aren't dragons
Gets me every time
>>318312646
>missing the point this hard
Whatever.
>>318312676
I can agree with that, as long as we can acknowledge that some of these creatures truly are abominations.
>>318311764
>>318311883
the truly sad part is how militant the betakeks are about making "realistic" looking women in their games. like, make what you want to make but it's obvious they're pandering to plain janes and 4s while the west is crafting solid 8s 9s and 10/10s
>>318312507
fuck off tim sweeny, we get it, you're made they didn't use your unreal engine, no reason to bitch about it.
>>318311153
Wait, so are you saying Samus being in a suit is ripping off Alien because Ripley wears a suit for 2 minutes at the end?
>>318313135
>while the west
I meant *the east is making
God, you butthurt westkeks are truly pathetic.
>>318299354
they do
>>318313135
All games pander to someone
>>318299354
you sure about that?
Reminder that this design is now too controversial for sensitive west.
>>318312012
>The stupid "magic can do everything" bullshit is half of why people think fantasy is such a goddamn pleb-tier genre in the first place.
The reason people think it's a pleb genre is because of people like you not because of the whole "magic can do everything" because that's rarely ever a thing. Hell, they even make it a point in most fantasy novels to say something along the lines of "magic is not an end all solution" and then have the MC face some kind of turmoil or problem that magic can't fix.
It's people like you that keep on dragging fantasy down to it's base elements of "medieval, brawl with a troll".
>>318310481
Fuck off leno, I don't fall for nothing bitch.
>>318313491
she is a kid so that makes sense
>>318311153
That space suit Ripley has on sure looks exactly like Samsus' power suit.
Oh, wait.
Deus Ex had great designs
Also different games focus on different things.
You know what I always find amusing in these threads, the fact that eastnerds shit on westkeks with screenshots while they post concept art in their defense. All this looks nice and dandy (if you look at visual appeal only) but change the pose or angle and you fucks are screwed. How about some of those nice looking designs in an actual 3d environment?
How can you expect anything good from the west now that SJWs are in charge and people think that showing beautiful characters in entertainment is literally a crime?
>>318311618
The 911 and the Bugatti Veyron both look like shit, the difference is Bugatti isn't afraid to be ostentatious as fuck with their richfag cars like Porche is.
>>318313801
Just fuck off, westkek.
>>318313801
>How about some of those nice looking designs in an actual 3d environment?
Your turn kek
>>318313404
but only in the west do they pander to everyone. they compromise because they want the biggest audience possible, whereas the japanese care more about delivering a service and keeping the customers they have
>>318311635
I don't see anything wrong with that. He looks well-armored, and frankly pretty intimidating. I wouldn't want to get into single combat against him.
>>318311615
Was that designed by westerners? Because that's certainly not cute.
>>318313404
Not really, the artistic choice to create and display beauty in your work isn't "pandering".
Especially when western games seem to have nothing buy male models characters while the females look like they suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome.
>this is considered 10/10
>it's okay when japan pushes unappealing furshit
>>318313926
>nice
you taste is so shitty you should be put down
that's a deviantart tier model.
kill yourself
>>318313973
But MUH PRACTICALITY IN FANTASY GAMES
>>318299354
It's easier for them to animate I guess. I don't really know, I don't play many western games.
>>318304142
This guy's shoe is weird
>>318314114
You do realize DAI is full on SJW pandering?
>>318314143
>diverse body types and races that help build the world
>wah wah furry shit reee
do you remember the last time you had fun?
>>318314114
>westkeks think that this is what a good looking woman looks like
Can we agree that it's OK for different people to like different things? Is that such a controversial statement?
>>318313973
I sure as hell would, I'd make him stab himself with his own fucking spikes.
>>318307913
To be fair though, the East have a much better understanding of what makes a mecha look appealing. Westerners have no appreciation of humanoid robots.
>>318313962
Did you read what you just typed? Because it made no sense.
ALL games pander to an audience. Some audiences are bigger then other audiences but all games still pander to an audience.
>>318314143
That Maralith design is 10/10 though, sadly it didn't appear that way in game.
>>318314159
Westacúck mad as fuck
>>318313232
No, I'm saying that Samus' chsracter as a whole was drawn from Ripley, and that different aspects of her design were derrived from other sources thus making her radically different.
The "Overwatch style of design" for her woulda been something more like giving her a big gun, a tanktop, fuzzy hair, and sone mechanic slacks, adding some extra things for design, and maybe even added a few minor things to "change it a bit" (like giving Mitsurugi a bow, some cyborg parts, and calling it original).
I'm using Samus as an example of good character design due to how far she strays from Ripley which is known to be her inspiration and Alieb the inspiration for Metroid for anyone not retarded.
However, everyone seems to be missing the point and thinking that I'm trying to point out the similarities between then two, when what I'm doing in fact is showing DIFFERENT they are, despite Metroid being a derivative from Alien.
Samus is GOOD character design. That's part of the reason why she's so memorable and iconic. They could have just as easily put in a Ripley clone and said it was "inspired by" and called it a day.
>>318310791
Land whale get trigger easily
