Why did this game fail? Is it because Sony has no iconic properties?
It was profitable tho
no neptune, I'd have bought 10 copies otherwise even if the game plays terrible
>>317969376
It was a good idea but poorly executed.
Also no Crash.
>only supers can kill
If you're gonna make a smash clone, at least make it right
>>317969376
playstation cast looks way more mature than nintencücks t b h
>>317969376
Most of the first party characters were expected and none of the third party characters were truly iconic or hype worthy (except maybe Heihachi). The only first party character people got excited for on /v/ was Sir Daniel though. As an "All-Star" game it pretty much failed as it was evident that it was more of a way to advertise titles like Warhawk and Gravity Rush as seen in the DLC. Big Daddy and Isaac Clarke are notable but not really iconic nor synonymous with the Playstation brand. Also the gameplay was rather mundane and not really fulfilling as a fighting game. The characters have their fans yet no one bought the game because their favorite was in it (aside from Sir Daniel. everyone loves him).
>>317970464
>Also no Crash.
You can tell they didn't bother including Crash or Spyro just so they could try and win us over with the sequel.
c-can't wait for a potential PS4 version with that Knack thing, that dude from the Order, and two more infamous including the neon bitch as new characters
>>317970771
I remember it was more like
>"No cash, no Crash"
>"No Crash, no cash"
Activision wasn't so keen on allowing Crash to be in the game just yet
>>317969376
They literally threw in any and every well known character even from multiplatform games.
>>317971032
which isn't much, thus the no iconic properties
which is good, no need to stick to the same character for several decades holy shit
>>317970064
Those user reviews aren't real right?
>>317971191
Nope, Neptune isn't in the game
>>317969376
>Is it because Sony has no iconic properties?
You got the answer in your question.
Also not even cloud there for the fucks sake.
>>317969376
Because no one wants Smash outside of Nintendo audience
And Nintedo audience is very different from multiplatform situation we have since mid-gen 7
>>317969376
>>317971306
Well Kratos WAS iconic temporarily
>>317969376
Why didn't Uncharted/GoW/Bioshock/Dead Space/Infamous/Sly Cooper/Ratchet and Clank/Jak and Daxter fans buy the game?
>>317970773
Don't forget the Maiden in Black from Demon's Souls and the hunter from Bloodborne.
Actually, that would be pretty cool.
>>317969376
Why is Raiden in this game?
He's avaible in Xbox Life and Steam for the exact same 20$, hes not a fucking PlayStation exclusive
And is it me or they added the EXACT SAME CHARACTER (I dont remember his name from Infamous) in the exact same banner?
>>317971813
If a new PSASBR is made it's pretty much expected that a Hunter/Chosen Undead would be third party characters. And I kinda think that maybe it would increase notability and hype since Dark Souls has a thriving community
>No Snake
>No Crash
>Le FUCK YOU Donte
And yet Sony implies "ALL-STARS".
>>317969376
>Sony fighter
>No Snake
>No Ryu
>No Cloud Strife
>When all three have been in Smash Bros., a Nintendo fighter
Yeah, pretty much
Sony has no iconic characters
>>317972047
oh yeah, also
>edgy Platinum Raiden instead of MGS2/4 Raiden
>>317971893
Same reason why pic related and Donte was in the game.
Promotion of upcoming titles at the time
>>317969376
>No Snake
>No Cloud
>No Spyro
>No Crash
>No Sora
>A bunch of characters literally no one cares about
It was doomed from the start. And now Smash has stolen both their biggest potential crowdpleasers.
>>317971893
You don't have to be exclusive, just have a major part in Playstation history
>Game needs to have a roster filled with iconic characters in order to be good.
That's why Street Fighter II, KOF, and Tekken all flopped right?
The game just wasn't very good to begin with. It had problems outside of just supers and a lackluster roster. It was slow, it was unbalanced, and it was filled with bugs out the ass. The online was unplayable for the first few months. You had connection issues left and right, the game wouldn't keep track of your victories or losses in rank, the game would make you switch characters for no reason.
The game in general was a mess. To say that iconic characters or supers were the problem is just simplifying the real problems with the game.
Despite all that, I enjoyed it up until the last patch. The 2v2 mode was probably the strongest thing about this game. 1v1 is boring as shit to play and boring as shit to watch. 2v2 spiced things up and made previously low tier characters into viable partners.
>>317969376
The game failed because it was bad and sony doesn't have names as big as nintendo does.
It had fuck you in it
That's why
>>317972273
KoF had the cast from Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting.
>This was the final boss
>>317972503
2 franchises nobody fucking knew existed.
Most people know those characters from KoF.
Alot of characters that should have been present weren't like crash and spyro.It also wasn't that fun
>>317972508
The concept was legitimately cool.
The execution is probably the dumbest and laziest thing ever.
He should have been doing more than just sending clones.
What would have been cool is if he started reversing the entire world and the characters back generations and taking everyone down to simple polygons and textures until they were nothing more than lines.
Take you back to 0 mother fuckers.
>>317972148
Platinum Raiden is nowhere near as edgy as 4 Raiden
He hams it up super hard
>>317971893
Why is Sonic in Smash? He's available on 360, PS3, PC, he's not a fucking Nintendo exclusive.
Sony knew that companies liked to put their characters on smash bros, thought they could do the same thing.
They couldn't.
Western upstart studio not even owned by Sony, zero clout to get characters they wanted like Cloud or Dart.
If it was an internal project by one of the Japan Studio teams it could have worked. Also I think it was deeply flawed with needing supers to kill, and the supers were all shit.
It was marketed badly
>>317969376
This game looked ugly, like really ugly.
The characters just pop out against each other unlike Smash where they put effort to making the characters look in a unified art style while staying true to the source
It's not like Nintendo is losing a sale because some D-list franchise isn't represented in the playable roster.
Or that you ever needed to make a fighting game with established characters to be successful, considering outside of mascot fighters and tie-in games they're all made of OCs.
Hell, consider out of the mainstay Nintendo heavyweights(Mario, Zelda, Pokemon), many reps are more famous for their Smash Bros. appearances than their own home franchises(e.g. Captain Falcon, Fire Emblem characters not from Awakening).
PSASBR just wasn't fun to play.
Everyone was incredibly biased against it, to the point of it being as if people took it as a personal attack, no one gave it a chance.
Shit's way more balanced that smash though, hackurai wishes he could make a tierlist like this game
>>317973373
>This Sonypony delusion
>>317970721
Mature cast =/ better game
>>317969376
It shouldn't have even been made unless they had permission to use Crash and Spyro. Also it was made by a new dev team with no prior experience. It should've been developed in Japan 2bh
>>317969376
Lack of support from Sony
Lack of support from companies collaborating for characters
Lackluster sales
Just to name a few, it was a good game though, oh wellWe will never have fun threads again for this;_;
>>317970721
As much as call of dury is a mature game.
Problem is that, while Sony owns some neat franchises, they've never really bothered to push them and make them synonymous with Playstation or Sony in the same way Nintendo does with Mario and Zelda and such. Closest they came was with Kratos but he's already run out of steam, and he wasn't that strong of a character to begin with.
In addition, it's clearly trying to ride on Smash's coattails with its premise (which I honestly don't mind since it's not like Nintendo owns the concept of crossover fighters or anything like that) yet wound up replacing Smash's unique and intuitive mechanics with stuff that was just kind of weird. So people who wanted an original game avoided it because it looked like a ripoff while people who expected a Smash ripoff got something wildly different and were unhappy with that.
Tie all that together with Sony not bothering to get any good third parties, just letting other companies walk all over the developer and use the game as a platform for advertising upcoming titles, and you've a recipe for disaster.
>>317973184
>Player: Dear Playstation, this idiot here (points to his monitor which is on a forum) claims Sweet Tooth would beat Kratos in a fight. How ridiculous is that?
>Kevin: Well you two can settle it Mono a Mono, gladiator style
>Player:You want me to actually hurt him? Okay then
>Kevin: (Spits his coffee) No, no, no, I'm talking about Playstation All Stars Battle Royale where you can settle all your petty frustrations on fictional characters in this 4 player conflict to see who is top dog. And why stop it with just Kratos and Sweet Tooth? There's also fan favorites like Cole Macgrath, Ratchet and Clank, Parappa the Raper, and Jak and Daxter.
>Player: I'm still going to hurt him
>Kevin: Well that's stupid, then you will miss out on a good game while in prison.
>>317972581
If you were actually alive at the time, you would be aware all SNK fighters were iconic in the arcades as alternates to SF2. Especially in Japon
>>317973875
>Problem is that, while Sony owns some neat franchises, they've never really bothered to push them and make them synonymous with Playstation or Sony in the same way Nintendo does with Mario and Zelda and such. Closest they came was with Kratos but he's already run out of steam, and he wasn't that strong of a character to begin with.
Because they milk the hell out of most of their franchises.
If they release an IP that is profitable you are going to see 3 games in 5 years at least, until it's no longer that profitable, then they drop it.
Look at patapon.
>>317970721
>Smash 4's Final boss is a embodiment of chaos and destruction
>PSASBR's Final boss is a floating head that brags
>>317972273
>That's why Street Fighter II, KOF, and Tekken all flopped right?
Except for half of the KOF roster, none of those games were advertised as featuring iconic characters. They only became iconic after the fact.
>This is the original cancelled roster
Thoughts?
http://playstationallstars.wikia.com/wiki/Characters
Because it was western. Imagine if any of the japs had their way.
We could've gotten a Final Fantasy rep, a Souls rep, a Legend of Dragoon rep, a Digaea rep, at least something from Team Ico and maybe a little more effort thrown in for the super mechanic. Shit, maybe it would've been better if it wasn't about Supers and more about ringout.
I mean it's not like they weren't trying to capitalize on Smash's success because they obviously fucking were. Well shit, might as well go all out and copy the whole smash formula instead of trying to take it apart and call it their own. It would've been a better game too. And it would've been called a smash clone with or without it.
>>317972508
funfact:This is the original psx mascot design before they opted to cut him because it would make children cry
>>317974048
Pretty much, it's kind of the opposite of Nintendo's treatment of franchises. Obviously they milk their largest ones but even Mario doesn't get a new platformer every year, and things like new Pokemon gens or console Zeldas are more of a "once-a-generation" thing.
>>317974179
I actually like that they referenced something from Playstation's past. Master Core was just weird.
>>317971893
There's good Cole Macgrath and Evil Cole Macgrath
>>317969376
Well gameplay/mechanics sucks and devtime was probably under 2 years on rush with some quick marketing deals to represent. I mean Big Daddy and fucking Dante from DmC.. If it was going to be a smash clone anyway, I wish they had taken more time and love into it. I wish they could do another PROPER one.
>>317974569
>>317974549
>"I remember walking onto the E3 booth in 1995 with Ken and seeing the Polygon Man design on the side of the booth. Ken just went absolutely insane," said Harrison. Kutaragi was upset that SCEA was spending its limited budget on an alternative brand. "But the thing that really upset Ken was that the Polygon Man design wasn’t Gouraud shaded, it was flat shaded! So Polygon Man was taken out into the car park and quietly shot."[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_Man
>>317971184
>which is good, no need to stick to the same character for several decades holy shit
*tips...in fact no
>>317974387
>Blasto
>Loco Roco
Master Onion
>Buzz
>Ellen
>Just one Cole
>Chimera rep
>Fat Princess Knights
>Nefarious
Better than what we got.
I don't know why Fat Princess was a character. It should have just been the knights, since you actually fucking play as them in the game.
That's still missing a shit ton of characters with better character designs and abilities that would have been far more interesting.
Picture related.
>>317973251
This. One thing Smash Bros really nails is the unified aesthetic. Every character looks like they could be from the same game, even though it's a crossover from dozens of franchises. It's something that Capcom also did pretty well with Marvel VS Capcom 3. With Playstation All Stars they just threw the models into the game without considering how characters like Spike or Parrapa would clash with Nathan Drake or Donte. They didn't put any thought into it, and the game looks ugly as a result.
That and the gameplay is horrible. There's no way to die except for being hit with a super, but that just means that getting hit by 99% of all attacks is meaningless. You gain meter on a successful hit but since there aren't really any combos it's not like you can hitconfirm into a super for a guaranteed kill. This lead to a lot of boring scenarios in which it would be me and a friend just dodging around each other when we had meter, but not really caring if we got hit with any other attack.
>>317974759
>Better than what we got.
For hardcore playstation fans, maybe.
Now go ahead and check what the biggest sellers of playstation systems are, it might make more sense for you that way.
>>317974776
Even Capcom attempted to make Cole fit in Street FighterXTekken's artstyle
Maybe its something to do with how Sony treats their own franchises and they always tend to give them an expiration date despite people liking them.
Remember all those Carmelita pics done by furfags?,that pedo art of Yumi and the amount of emos who play LBP?, thats how you know those IP's were loved but for some reason, Sony always throws them away to the garbage and pretend they dont exist
>>317974759
No one knows, cares or remembers Vibri anon. She would've been a really great Mr. Game & Watch-like character seeing as she's the oldest when it comes to PS-All Stars.
>>317975078
I prefer such a treatment of IPs than endless rehashing for decades.
>>317974776
>They didn't put any thought into it, and the game looks ugly as a result.
In other words, it's a "professionally made" MUGEN hackjob.
>>317974759
>Vib Ribbon
Mah Nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B65n78YLtA
Gameplay is shit compared to the game they're ripping off. I'd have bought it if it were even on the level of fucking brawl, but it's not.
>During a Q&A session at Comic-Con, the developers of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale were asked who they’d like to see in the game that they have no chance of getting. The developers revealed that, if they had the option, they’d want Nintendo mascot Super Mario to be a part of Sony’s upcoming brawler.
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/07/17/playstation-all-stars-developers-want-super-mario-to-join-sonys-brawler/
>>317975229
I didnt mean like rehashing like we see it with Mario or COD, i meant like keep them alive for a while and giving it some sort of waiting gap between titles so the games could have more polish and efort rather than either milk it like Ape Escape or killing it like MediEvil
>>317974776
What could they really do though? Making Spike and Parappa realistic would look horrible. Making Kratos and gang cartoony would look horrible.
Smash did the same thing with Snake. If they changed Snake or the other characters to "fit in", it would look like shit.
>>317969376
Bad timing.
I think a Battle Royale 2 with Bloodborne, FF15, Horizon Zero Dawn, Last Guardian/Shadow of the Colossus, Gravity Rush, Kingdom Hearts, Nier, etc would do really well. Get rid of most of the non-exclusive characters or at least don't focus on them.
>>317971184
Why fix something that isn't broken?
>>317973184
This trailer was pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiGYlbvHcDM
The game lacked characters that actually defined the PS1.
Such as Snake Klonoa Crash Spyro Cloud.
>>317969376
>tying KOs to specials and specials only was retarded
>pretty much ruined the entire game
>roster was shit
>no classics like Solid Snake, Cloud, Sephiroth, Lara Croft, OG Dante
>bunch of characters no one really asked for like Big Daddy, who were only really in for advertising
>generic aesthetics, like a shitty generic OST, boring art style
Maybe if they made another one that fixed all these problems, it'd be good.
>>317975480
OR or... look up throught other old PS titles that werent in the game
>>317974776
>since there aren't really any combos
Confirmed for never playing the game, or not being good enough.
If anything there are too many combos - or at least too many moves that lead to easy confirms/braindead comcos.
>>317975459
I don't know, making Ike, Mega Man, Pikachu and Kirby look like they could all work together in the same game wasn't easy either, but they managed.
>>317975480
>>317975637
And also unfuck the "you can only get killed by supers" mechanic.
Better yet, throw it out, because it doesn't fucking work.
>>317969376
The Roster was weak, although some of the PS1 characters were nice.
Could have done with more relevant third-parties.
Classic guests over upcoming ones.
Not pulling the plug after 3 months. (I'm still mad about Abe.)
Supers needed rebalancing across the board, characters were just straight up objectively better on all fronts than others.
Game system had no real penalty for taking damage, so if you could dodge supers there was no reason to not always be in the fray.
Certain characters slow the game's pace to a crawl with campy projectiles and poor close-range combat.
The fighting itself had a nice weight to it, and had potential, but was executed poorly.
Arcade mode should have had full cutscenes for the beginning and ends, not just the rival scenes.
Rival scenes were a fantastic idea, even if the matchups were fucking retarded. (Smash should definitely do something similar.)
Roster should have had multiple reps for each series, then the whole Good/Evil Cole thing could have been negated by having the asian chick from Infamous 2 or something.
>>317975637
Nobody cares about old, obscure ps1 characters. It's not like Nintendo where their franchises have lasted from NES to Wii U.
I would of kept playing if the knockout system was not so unbalanced and unfun.
Characters like Kratos are no effort when it comes to fighting AND easy finishers. Then you have characters that need to have their opponent a very specific distance and height from them in order to kill them.
Let's construct a roster that wouldnt have sucked
> crash bandicoot
> spyro
> sly cooper
> snake
> jak and daxter
> toomba
> gex
> cloud
> lara croft
>>317975891
GoW had both Kratos and Zeus
>>317975909
Both companies handle their own IP's in diferent ways, Ninendo keeps them alive for eternity which is why everyone knows them but that doesnt even people who knew these PS1 games are dead
>>317975459
>Making Kratos and gang cartoony would look horrible.
HOW ABOUT NOT HAVING FUCKING EDGELORD MURDERMEN AND TACTICOOL SOLDERS IN A CHILDRENS FIGHTING GAME.
Faggots didn't seem to think of that did they?
Cast should have just been Parappa, Crash, Rayman, Sly, etc. all the cartoon platform heroes.
The second i saw a generic Helghast and Big daddy were playable i just quit, lost all interest.
>>317975989
You're still forgetting other characters likeDaniel, Spike, Ratchet and Parappa
>>317976089
>Generic Helghast
>>317975989
Why Gex? Gex sucked then and if he were alive he'd probably still suck now.
Because Sony's first party IP's apart from medieval and god of war lack any sort of visual finesse or charm or just stand out
Nintendo has a red and blue plumber, a green elf with a sword and shield and a yellow rat which shoots electricity.
Microsoft has a green space soldier with a glowing orange visor, muscly toads with sunglasses and now a small illuminating white rabbit.
Sony have had, a man in a dirty shirt and jeans, a man in a dirty shirt and jeans, Ellen Paige and a small brown sack.
>>317976184
I said "lets construct."
And yes those are excellent additions
>>317976060
That works too, I'm saying we should have had more.
Give me Carmelita for Sly, Give me Lammy for Parappa, Give me Azimuth for Ratchet, Trish for DMC, Snake for MGS, it's all there.
>>317976313
>Sony have had, a man in a dirty shirt and jeans, a man in a dirty shirt and jeans, Ellen Paige and a small brown sack.
Hahahaha
True
>>317976313
Sony also had a cute doll from a world made of cardboard, an innocent 10 year old who saves the world from crazy monkeys, a raccoon thieve whit cool gadgets and even a fucking friendly skeleton
>Used to play the game all the time with a friend when it came out
>It wasn't really great but wasn't that awful
>Online was prettyfun
>Was pretty good in ranked matches as Spike
I recently started playing it again just out of boredness. People still play but it's filled with Kratos and Dante shitters using the edgy alt colors.
>>317972273
>sony allstars doesn't need to have sony allstars
>>317976313
The issue is, whenever Sony try to push mascot characters, it fails miserably.
Need I remind you of Move Heroes?
>>317976313
very one sided but still made me laugh
don't forget le evil killzone man
>>317975989
Just take the old roster, trim the third parties and dark Cole, toss in some third parties actually associated with Sony (Solid Snake, Lara Croft, Crash Bandicoot, maybe a Grand Theft Auto or other Rockstar character, etc), and then maybe add some other classic Sony characters that are kind of forgotten, like Alundra, Lemmings, Q*bert, stuff like that
UNTIL DAWN CHARACTER WHEN?
>>317976474
Ne trashing edgemasters with a colorful 90s characters.
>>317976547
Move heroes didnt fail because of the mascots in it, it failed because when people wanted a R&C,J&K and SC crossover, they werent expecting it to be an ad for a wii remote rip off, if you look closely, you will see that those mascots come from games that become series
>>317976620
You mean like the one who was cut for DLC?
>>317976089
>Not wanting Sweet Tooth in a Playstation crossover
>>317976620
Sam Gideon from Vanquish and Papa Nier.
>>317976718
It's a terrible game as well, which was more my point.
>>317976620
>Q*bert
>sony character
>>317976918
But he is though
He'd be a great addition
>>317976918
He is, technically. He was owned by Columbia originally, then Sony bought Columbia.
>>317977180
Do I need to get the review scores out?
>>317977147
HAHAHAHA
>>317976918
Get with the times grandpa.
>>317977235
>reviews
They were mediocre at best, but I loved the character and the charm the game had.
I miss the variety in gaming characters today.
>>317977235
>not liking 90s the character:the game
>>317970064
WHO THE FUCK IS NEPTUNE gets me, everytime.
>>317976313
Microsoft is also annoyingly sitting on some fucking great IP's and did nothing with them until Mattrick got the boot
>>317977484
That would be Duke Nukem
>>317977484
I like the character, but the gameplay was shit.
>>317977235
>Not playing it yourself.
Gex 2 and 3 were the shit
Danny john jules is god
REMINDER
>>317977551
>Duke
>90s
He's a 80s action movie character rip-off
Its because they DIDN'T use their iconic properties. And rather than make their own fighting game they blatantly ripped off Nintendo in the most shameless way possible. I guarentee if they advertised the game with Spyro and Crash everyone would have fucking bought the thing.
>>317969451
literally any garbage sony shits out is
>>317977235
>Reviews
>>317977728
Le nostalgiacoot is getting fucking annoying now.
The more Sony does some half arsed pandering with grey dualshocks and #memories, the more it feels like they're trying to distract me from their contemporary issues.
>>317977992
this pretty much, there's only so much blue balls nostalgia you can take without seeing right through it
>>317977728
I'm getting tired of this shit. We're getting a new Crash game or not?
>>317969376
>tfw its biggest problem was that sony forgot about so many games, and should have made deals.
I feel like this game must have been made on a really weak budget with a really weak timeframe.
>>317976543
You should worry about having a good game first
>>317977990
It was shit, have you even played it?
>>317969376
if I had to describe the game mechanics it would have to be "floaty". it's just kind of slow paced and SSB gets the formula down much better
>>317977992
>>317978124
>>317978163
>what is Sonys marketing tactics since 2013?
The Last of Us, Order 1886 and Until Dawn is neo-sony, if you like that shit go ahead, but don't buy into this nostalgia bait if you don't.
>>317977728
This is getting stupid now. Shit, even when MS dangles around Battletoads helplessly, they feature them in fleshed out cameos and they actually own the IP.
>>317978470
>>317978470
I played all 3 unlike your baiting ass.
They were quality platformers. Nothing revolutionary but if you were a fan of the genre you couldn't go wrong with the Gex games.
You want a shit platformer? Play Bug!
>>317979086
>Play Bug!
Or Plok.
>>317978163
I have a theory anon.
Yooka-Laylee is coming out next year.
While its a spiritual successor to Banjo Kazooie, it is still a 3D Platformer.
IF this game sells well, and the gaming industry sees that 3D Platformers are still relevant outside of Nintendo, they will experiment with this genre more.
Hell, I would expect Microsoft to attempt their own Banjo Kazooie game, seeing as though they own the rights. What confuses me about Microsoft, is that they purchased Rareware, used Banjo only ONCENuts n Bolts, and we know how that went, and still havent been experimenting with his franchise. They KNOW how big of a following the Banjo Kazooie franchise has, yet they dont try to utilize that popularity? It doesnt make sense.
So back to the point:
If this game sells well, and due to the development team's significance in gaming history, other companieshopefully the big oneswill actually use their mascots.
But I dont expect this to happen.
At least an anon can dream, right?
>>317979162
>Or Plok.
>Plok
>Shit
What the hell is with all this bad taste in this thread?
>>317979346
Plok was a stupid as fuck, same with Aero the Acro-Bat, Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel, Zool and Cool Spot.
COOL FUCKING SPOT.
just makes Cloud that much more of a coup for Nintendo
now he's in Smash Bros. The face most people associate to the Playstation is in the Nintendo All-Star game
>>317979467
Zool and Plok and James Pond and Voodoo Vince would fuck you big time
>>317979551
If they were so cool then why they failed?
>>317979479
I will laugh all the way to the bank if MS buys Silent Hills on top of that
Ah fuck it Sony won the gen in sales might as well have some fun
>>317969376
No iconic franchises to who? Just because you're a nintendo babby who doesn't know any of the characters doesn't mean they aren't iconic in their own realm.
>>317979873
This. its like how people think Master Chief or Gordon Freeman are the faces of FPS when the actual first characters of the genre are BJ and Doomguy
>>317979873
Yes
Fat Princess and Donte are
Iconic
True gaming symbols
I only bought this game because of fat princess and Donte
>>317979191
I'm fully expecting more Rare franchises to come back with Spencer on board. Mattrick didn't know shit about video games and didn't give a fuck about owning major franchises.
Only wrinkle is that Rare seems to only want to do new franchises, so they'd likely have to find another dev to do the job like they did with Killer Instinct.
>>317980043
Yes
Ness and Ice Climbers are
Iconic
True gaming symbols
I only bought Smash because of Ness and Ice Climbers
Faggot.
>>317969376
Because it felt like every IP featured was grabbed from Sonys bargain bin
The game is literally "From the producers who saw Super Smash Brothers"
>>317980217
I really think you underestimate how revered Earthbound is.
Was the PS2 your first console?
>>317980296
>Every Sony ip ever made despite Sony still coming up with new ones and thise ips having sequels because i dont know how to the internet
Do i have to show you all those gross Carmelita images to show how much people liked SC?
>>317980296
Except Donkey Xote was actually good.
>>317979873
I'm getting sick of this "MUH ICONIC ROSTER" argument.
But at the same time, Superbot dropped the ball by not including more older Playstation characters like Dart, Alundra, Vib Ribbon, Gabe Logan, Ribbot and so on and so forth.
This really should have been the title to show off the diversity and history of the Playstation brand. Instead we got 2 Coles, Isaac, Zeus, Big Daddy, and Space Django from the game that flopped hard.
>>317979873
Why didn't GoW, Infamous, and Uncharted fans buy the game?
>>317980064
>BATTLETOADS by Ubisoft Montpellierthey're the good ones go read
>>317980489
>PSAB trailer
>they show Alundra
>Nintendrones jump into the internet screaming "LINK CLONE LINK CLONE!"
>>317980514
Because people buy those games for the graphics and the cinematic effects, they don't give a shit about the characters.
>>317980396
It's all subjective though. It's like, I don't keep up with Football, I don't know any football players or who the most important football guy is. That doesn't mean they aren't important in their own right.
>>317980217
Except Ness is iconic to a significant portion of enthusiasts you stupid cunt.
>>317969376
>Game developed by an indie company
There's your answer, it's like smash were developed by indies
>>317980758
And I wouldn't give a single shit
>>317980217
>ness
If a real mother 4 starring ness got announced, I can guarantee the shockwaves would be phenomenal compared to a fat princess sequel
>>317980843
>to a significant portion of enthusiasts
To a bunch of retards who pay over 300 obamas because EARTHBOUND IT'S THE RAREST SUPER NINTENDO GAME IN THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!
>>317980514
>why didn't people who buy game buy other completely different game because character from game is in it?
>>317980396
>>317980843
Earthbound flopped. The game got its status far later and Ness only became a known character until after Smash Bros.
>>317969376
I know little about this game other than the consensus that it's fucking awful
But what are it's good ideas? Things you think it does well, maybe better than Smash even?
The two I know off the bat (from a lot of people here) are:
>Stage hazard toggle
>Respawn invincibility additionally ends once you first attack
>>317980217
EB was and still is, a major cult classic though, to the point where it's practically iconic.
And even then, the Mother series was huge in Japan.
>>317981053
Really? This just seems like Sony brand loyalty faggotry.
I have no trouble saying SoTC is a classic, I have no trouble saying Phantom Dust is a classic, are you that loyal to a console that you'll just blindly shit on anything that's not on it?
>>317979479
>Toriyama will still use emo Cloud look in the remake
>>317980843
And I'm a PlayStation enthusiast and I find characters such as Sackboy, PaRappa, Kratos, and Nathan Drake to be iconic PlayStation characters.
>>317981240
2v2 online with another online friend.
You can only do 2v2 online with a friend if you play on the same console.
The online in general was better organized in Smash. A few simple toggles and you're on your way.
Smash 4 needs you to go through various different sub sections to play a specific game mode with a set of rules.
>>317981139
reminder, don't reply to falseflaggers
>>317981053
>That sinking feeling when you realise neo-/v/ is a reality
>>317981321
Years ago you could buy an Eartbound cart for 30 bucks if not less, now there's retards who pay over 200 for one game. Blame the retro-game boom for that.
>>317975480
KH isn't exclusive anymore.
>>317980217
>Ness is iconic
...yes?
>>317981445
He's literally not wrong though, you retarded Nintendofag. PEOPLE DONT KNOW THAT CAPTAIN FALCON ISNT FROM SMASH BROS, PEOPLE DONT KNOW THAT YOU DONT PLAY AS ZELDA IN THE LEGEND OF ZELDA
YES IM MAD
>>317981768
I think you misunderstood that anon.
>>317981740
No, he really isn't. Not any more so than Nathan Drake and you're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. I love Nintendo games but goddamn I hate Nintendofags. Try other video games, you might actually like them. Don't get your opinions from /v/ because /v/ is retarded.
>>317976646
Fucking this. Give me Josh as a character please.
>>317981768
Yes if you're a soccer mom or normie with absolutely no interest in video games.
Even light gamers know he's called "Link"
Sackboy still isn't taking the world by storm.
>>317969376
That's like asking why WoW clones failed. You cloned a very popular game, doing everything you could to ape them precisely. Sadly, the userbase of the game you cloned is entrenched, and you didn't have any other ideas but to try and steal some of their users for a short term prophet.
Sony got what they deserved. At least they were smart enough to push the task of shoveling out this shit to a third party developer and tie their bonuses to the game's sales.
you guys keep arguing about Ness and Ice Climbers but who cares? They're like the least iconic characters in Smash Bros. Where exactly would Raiden or Kratos, the two most iconic characters in PSASBR, rank in Smash Bros? I mean right now Smash Bros has 56 characters. Who do they follow? Greninja? Lucina? Dr. Mario? You're making a false equivalence to a game with fucking Mario, Link, and Pikachu in it.
>>317981053
/v/'s officially voted worst fanbase everyone.
>>317982017
>Sackboy isn't taking the world by storm
>Ness is
I think it's the horribly blatant double standards that piss me off when talking to Nintenofags.
It's because it was an exact copy of Smash
>>317969376
No one gives a fuck about any of the characters. They should've made a new cast of interesting unique characters and created a brand new fandom, rather than using boring fucks and literally whos who'll never have a large fan following.
The game would've been better if every character was new.
>>317969376
IT WASN'T A KART RACER
>>317982186
Who would have guessed that a bunch of fat autistic manchildren who only play Nintendo games don't like other fan bases.
>People seriously implying Earthbound was well received and sold well when it was first released
The game was too expensive and the original reviews weren't so hot. The marketing campaign was also terrible. Nintendo themselves admitted that the game was a flop. Why are you guys pretending that Ness was hot shit before Smash? It was Smash that brought him into the public eye and later lead to his game getting recognition.
>All told, Nintendo sold less than 150,000 copies of Earthbound. Those players who did take the plunge found a game full of endearing characters, ridiculous jokes and bizarre situations written by popular Japanese writer Shigesato Itoi. As with all cult classics, EarthBound‘s reputation took a while to develop. Today, you have to spend upwards of $150 to buy an original cartridge on eBay (and much more if you want the strategy guide and box).
>WIRED: How did you feel when EarthBound was first released and didn’t sell well?
>Marcus Lindblom: The sales were definitely disappointing. But I wasn’t really surprised for a couple of reasons. The first thing was the price of the game. By including the strategy guide in the box, which I felt was a great guide and one I’m very happy with, the cost of the game needed to be higher. For a game that hadn’t established an audience, it was an expensive proposition for lots of gamers.
>The second issue, which became apparent when the reviews started to come in, was the graphics. In those days of the Super NES and the Sega Genesis, sophisticated graphics were becoming a key feature, as Sega emphasized the speed of the Sonic the Hedgehog games, and Nintendo followed with “Mode 7″ graphics and the Super FX chip, used in games like Star Fox to render 3-D visuals.
http://www.wired.com/2013/07/marcus-lindblom-earthbound/all/
My biggest gripe with the roster will always be the lack of RPG characters, considering how important those where for the PS brand is shitty that they couldn't pick anybody from that genre.
The rest of the selection is fine with enough characters representing each era of each console.
>>317981957
What does your post have to do with how iconic Ness is?
I mean he's pretty iconic and with things like Undertale and Lisa he's getting a little more well known among the new generation when they look for the origins or any info about these games.
>>317982285
You.
You don't give a fuck about any of the characters. You have never owned a PlayStation.
>>317982217
I literally never mentioned Ness in there? What the fuck is wrong with you weird loyalists christ, jts videogames
>>317981139
It was a big deal in Japan, at least.
That said, calling Ness iconic and saying Parappa or Kratos isn't is dumb as shit.
>>317982285
>who will never have a large fan following
Maybe because they already have?
>>317982424
Seriously? You're gonna cite Undertale and Lisa? Kill yourself.
>>317982028
This, the first time i heard about this game i had a mixture of laugh and cringe.
>>317982353
>Big Boss riding a cardboard tank
>>317969376
shitty character list
they couldn't even give us real Dante
and two Coles? fuck off.
not to mention that they didn't bother to do anything really cool with the characters. it's all just so... meh.
>>317982502
>THIS IS A GENUINE POST
>THIS IS NOT A PHOTOSHOP YOU ARE LOOKING AT, I REPEAT, THIS IS A REAL POST
>>317982557
>two popular indie games inspired by earthbound
>grouped together with earthbound
>>317982393
>The rest of the selection is fine with enough characters representing each era of each console.
No, no it was not. PS1 barely got any representation. PS2 was just the core 3. The rest of the roster was PS3 shit and shit they can advertise.
>>317976313
should've been /thread here
did anyone post Mario+MC+Bobby?
>>317982502
And that's this whole thread. And that's why I'm so mad. These people come in here, shit post about games they'll never play on consoles they'll never own and act like they're an authority on the subject.
Its mostly because people were sperging on how it would be a ssb ripoff that sony had to make their game around not being smash instead of making a fun game
>>317982695
>PS1 barely got any representation
It had Spike, Parappa, Dan, Toro and ST, even if its only 5 characters
not having characters like snake or spyro or crash in the roster is like nintendo trying to make smash without mario or pikachu. that's the meat and potatoes of the problem
>>317972148
This got me thinking, does MGS2 Raiden appear in any game other than MGS4?
>>317979873
People have a bias against Nintendo characters, not only here but everywhere.
And obviously Smash has helped them, the only reason people care about the kid from undermeme-snes 2 is because he has been on every Smash, same reason why Samus and Fox arent in the trash bin.
>>317982887
When weighed against the rest of the roster that's a pretty big chunk.
>>317982887
That's simply not enough given the many more that were left out.
It sure as hell doesn't help out that Spike and Sweet Tooth are based off their most recent designs and don't even have classic alts.
>>317982926
How funny would it be if Spyro or Crash got into Smash?
>>317982935
Other than MGS2*
Way to fuck my own post.
>>317969376
It failed because it didn't follow the Sony's strict ABAP policy.
If they had developed Def Jam Bros. instead, it would've beenBALLIN'
>>317982871
Maybe they shouldve just not made Smash
Like they shouldnt have spent three entire IP's trying to find the Halo killer
Then marketing Driveclub as a Forza killer
Remember on that cover of 40 winks with the "Move over Mario..." tagline that everyone finds fucking hilarious?
That's a dangerous amount of Sony IP's personified
>>317982992
Who was left out that Sony owns? I think it is so unfair to rail on Sony for not having muh crash and muh spyroo when they never owned either one in the first place. It's not like Activision will ever sell them back.
>>317972581
>Fatal Fury
>Art of Fighting
>2 franchises nobody fucking knew existed.
Underage or you never put a foot on arcades by early-mid 90´s
>>317969376
They copycatted Smash Bros without understanding why Smash Bros is a success.
>>317970721
I wish this was sarcasm, but I have a feeling you genuinely believe this.
>>317982962
>Samus and Fox
Okay, you're confirmed to be a deluded faggot
>>317983136
Sony's linked to third parties, always has been. If they want to make a "Playstation All-Stars", they need to shell out the money to get characters people associate with the Playstation
Again, it doesn't matters how popular the IP is if people don't give a shit about the characters, Nathan Drake and Kratos which come from the most popular Sony IP are expendable, hell with GoW many people want a new protagonist since Kratos has gotten quite stale a while ago. Gran Turismo which is the biggest Sony IP it's not character centric.
Hell even a character from Splatoon (a recent but less popular IP) would sell more copies of a fighting game than the previous games mentioned. People love the characters, they draw tons of fanart of them, the merchandise sells quickly, etc.
>>317983136
>Who was left out that Sony owns?
I never cried for Crash or Spyro. This thread already list a bunch. Pay attention.
>>317983183
What, i literally said that the only reason why both of them aren't already forgotten is because they are in Smash.
>>317982673
What, do you really think Ness is bigger than Kratos? Do you really think Parappa wasn't pretty damn popular at a time?
>>317978271
>You should worry about having a good game first
Smash didn't
>>317983180
No, they were gonna go the whole 9 yards but shitposting like you forced them to try and put a shitty spin on it.
>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THEY LITERALLY COPIED SMASH BROS SONY CONFIRMED SHIT KEK
>game comes out
>Why isn't this more like Smash?
>>317975459
>Smash did the same thing with Snake
Except they did it backwards. Everyone was suddenly wearing realistic clothes.
>>317983287
>hell with GoW many people want a new protagonist since Kratos has gotten quite stale a while ago
I've played GoW 1, 2, and 3 and I've always hated Kratos. Kratos is a big selfish baby asshole. His gameplay would have to be out of this world fun for me to main him on a Smash clone
>>317983273
I associate most of characters they picked with PlayStation
>>317970064
This
>>317975459
Colors and lighting
>>317983469
I associate most of the characters they picked with the trash bin. It'd be like the equivalent of Smash 64 having that Indian that general Custer raped up against a cactus in that one 8 bit game (which, knowing my luck, probably wasn't on the NES)
>>317982962
>People have a bias against Nintendo characters,
I don't think you know what bias means.
Especially when people with no clue about video games know who characters like Samus and Fox are because they were everywhere during during the 80s and 90s. That said they have fallen out of popularity on the west recently but are still more memorable than certain others.
Ness now, he got a lot more popular later on while he was booming in the east.
Anyway, Sony could have used Cloud at the very least. He's just as iconic as the others
But that's why he's in smash now.
>>317979479
>The face most people associate to the Playstation
>Cloud
The idiots of course, since every person know Cloud is a character that belongs to Square and not to Sony.
>>317983353
A Mother game starring Ness as the protagonist
A GoW sequel starring Kratos as the protagonist
If they were both announced on the same day, in your heart of hearts, what do you think people will be discussing more by a wide margin?
>>317983637
since when does the face of the console need to be owned by the company that made the console
>>317983594
So you haven't had a PlayStation since the PlayStation 1?
>>317983594
Custer's Revenge on the Atari 2600
>>317980217
>Ness and Ice Climbers are
>not iconic
Underage detected
>>317983594
Atari 2600, so it'd be like the Big Daddy character.
>>317982263
But the fact that it's not an exact copy of Smash is why it's fucking horrible.
>>317983637
>Sony exclusive game up until the remake announcement
>implying anyone said anything of ownership
>>317983737
if you want the truth I've only owned a PS2, 3, and 4. Most of the characters they have on there are nobodies and if I do know them, nobody I'd want to play (except Heihachi of course, but he alone isn't enough)
Even if you dont know the roster, couldnt you atleast get some time to know these characters?, i mean, there's Spike who's a cute 10 year old who saves the world, there's Kat who's a beautiful super hero girl and then there's Daniel who's a friendly skeleton
>>317983729
Ness no question because he hasn't had a game in decades. It's not even remotely similar.
>>317972235
Then why the Big Daddy from Bioshock? That was a timed exclusive for Xbox
>>317983729
Thisssss
Sony just doesn't have that love and attachment around its IP's apart from Neogaf
People only buy them for the multiplats. Even Bloodborne isnt as big of a selling point as Halo or Mario is, its shit like CoD and Fifa
>>317983752
Ice Climbers only have one game and a bunch of re-releases.
>>317982992
Counting origins here, as they obviously take the form of their latest incarnation.
>PS1
Parappa
Sir Dan
Sweet tooth
Spike
Toro
>PS2
Sly
Ratchet
Jak
Kratos
Radec
(Zeus)
>PS3
2Coles
Drake
Nariko
Fat princess
Sackboy
Big daddy
(Emmet)
>Vita
(Kat)
Seem pretty balanced to me, of course there's the RPG complain that I had earlier so its missing Rudy and Dart for PS1 reps but as far as Sony characters go those are the most known. As you can see from this old list the rest are pretty much a bunch of "literally who" for most people, even though I like most of them.
>>317983328
>them aren't already forgotten is because they are in Smash.
And thats completely wrong tho, Every Metroid game before other-M had sold around almost 1 million copies, and starfox is mainly known for the memey dialogue.
>>317983785
this. There is a market for people who like the broad gameplay of Smash but wish it was more offense-based like Melee. That market is currently being satisfied by modders and a decade old game. It baffles me that there are barely any Smash clones out there.
>>317983854
And that's just to you. Who are you? Why do you matter? Sly Cooper isn't a good character? Ratchet isn't a good character? Sackboy isn't loveable? Maybe the PlayStation isn't FOR you, faggot.
>>317983621
Sorry, i meant a bias in favor of Nintendo.
And its not like i hate Nintendo, i actually kinda love them, but i just surprises me that some get pretty popular, and its not a shit about quality.
Metroid is the third best Nintendo franchise, that until Other M, all its games were really good some of them one of the best of all time, and still, samus is bottom of the list in terms of popularity (she would be even lower if it wasnt for the whole "shes a woman!!")
>>317983863
The problem is that people needed to know them BEFORE the purchase. Not after.
That's why Smash sold well. With the exception of Ness everyone recognised the characters from their respective games, ads, merch and so on. Ness got recognition later on after his game became famous due to the western rarity.
>>317983729
On places like /v/ obviously people would discuss the Earthbound sequel, because it's strange and unexpected.
Kratos getting another game is just par for the course, because his franchise isn't dead, because he's still got some popularity left.
People would also throw a shitfit if, say, Ice Climbers got a sequel. Does that make it iconic or just unexpected and thus more worthy of discussion? What do you think being iconic means?
>>317969376 SOUNDTRACK?! THERE'S ONLY ONE FUCKING SONG!!!
>>317984006
I genuinely can't name the last time I know someone who bought a playstation IRL for its first party titles, not since the PS2
>>317983839
>Sony exclusive game up until the remake announcement
It was released in PC back in 1998, so not exclusive never ever.
>>317984189
Then we should blame Sony for not respecting these ip's enough
>>317984108
and that's just to you. Who are you? Why do you matter? Sly Cooper is a good character? Ratchet is a good character? Sackboy is loveable? Maybe creating profitable All Star games isn't FOR you, faggot.
>>317984108
Is this meant to be a GAF parody post?
>>317984175
>That's why Smash sold well. With the exception of Ness
Captain Falcon might as well be a Smash Bros. only character.
Nobody knew his ass was even from F-Zero, don't even pretend.
>>317984307
I'm sick of Nintendo games because they've had the majority of their franchises for over 20 years. Splatoon is the first major new IP in atleast a decade.
>>317983729
>f they were both announced on the same day, in your heart of hearts, what do you think people will be discussing more by a wide margin?
GoW and Kratos are for normies and edgy teens... so I go for GoW.
>>317983379
Problem is their idea of changing it up was to make the stupidest change possible. Even just regular health bars would had made it somewhat enjoyable.
And one of the reasons Smash is popular is because of they picked out some of the most iconic, timeless characters in the company's history, and threw in a few obscure ones for fun. Sony just scrounged up whatever they could get their hands on for the least money possible.
And don't get me started on third parties.
>>317984329
All-Stars was literally profitable though.
>>317984494
>You either milk a series until everyone's tired or kill it and pretend it never exist
Damn
>>317976313
Don't forget Talladega Nights!!!!
>>317984449
>Nobody knew his ass was even from F-Zero, don't even pretend.
You do know that F-zero was popular back in the day right?
>>317984105
It's not easy to do and regardless of the abuse Brawl and Sm4sh get Sakurai's teams put so much into the game on both a gameplay and character inclusion and faithfulness standpoint that competing would require a serious effort and a lot of licensing for a non-Nintendo company to equalize.
>>317984494
They make plenty of new franchises, they just don't advertise them.
I'm guessing if I started naming them though you'd just start saying why they don't count for one reason or another.
>>317974387
How the fuck could you even play as a LocoRoco in the first place?
there has to be some fucking xbot trolls in here....I haven't seen this much butthurt in 4ever
....
"Lol who cares about Kratos" its patetic well NO ONE CARE ABOUT HALO 5
>>317984616
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70744/playstation-all-stars-battle-royale/
looks like flop central station to me
>>317984629
Yes, those are pretty much the two options.
>>317984780
There's a reason Sony fans were voted the worst.
>>317984780
>Our Smash Bros game flopped
>It has to be Xbox sabotage
Never change guys.
Never change.
>>317969376
Instead of doing something innovative with a big cast of crossover characters, they just went and copied nintendos idea of a party brawler. If they just didn't try to hard to be the next smash, who knows.
>>317984018
that don´t make them less iconic.
Did you ever seen that cheap NES knock offs of the chinese market as Creation? well, that little shits come with like 200 clones of Mario, Megaman and Ice Climbers. There is an enormous generation that grow up with that titles.
All i wanted was a decent PS crossover with lots of characters, including females and decent art and models so there could be porn of it, is that so much to ask?
>>317984753
You and I both know that the likes of Pushmo, Dillon's Rolling Western, or whatever eShop shit is not on the same level as Animal Crossing, Pikmin, and Splatoon.
>>317984695
>Sakurai's teams put so much into the game on both a gameplay and character inclusion and faithfulness standpoint
No not really, the gameplay is shallow and simple and the characters are only faithful if its easy to keep them faithful.
>>317984664
>>317984664
>this is what f-zero fags actually believe
I dont think f zero has ever sold more than one million.
>>317984767
Ground pounds, rolling moves, a splitting move, a stretching move?
I haven't played the games since my PSP broke.
Needs more lewds of fat princess
>>317984943
>Ice climbers
>Iconic
>Not in sm4sh
kek'd
>>317985002
GX was the only one that didn't break out retard.
>>317985092
I'd rather have Spike. despite the shitty modeling and not having the original look, though, but lets just pretend it didnt happened
>>317984616
>the whole team was disbanded
>profitable
not sure timm
>>317984782
>vgchartz
>accurate
I also don't know where you got your definition of profitable but it means to turn a profit. In case you're still confused a profit is when you get higher returns than what you put in. Have you seen All-Stars? Clearly it was not an expensive endeavor.
>>317984006
>>317984263
And there's another reason why Smash succeeded and PASBR flopped.
Sony doesn't even give a crap about their IP, only concentrating on the flavor of the month (God of War, Uncharted, TLoU, etc) and refusing to take risks on reviving older IP to bring new appeal.
And when they do take a risk on it, they put such little money and effort into it we get somewhat lackluster games like R&C: Into The Nexus or Sly 4, and they make crap like pic related to see if they can squeeze a few more cents out of the PS2 crowd.
>>317984780
Lol
On that topic WHO WOULD YOU INCLUDE IN AN XBACKS ROSTER
>Master Chief
>Locke
>Marcus Fenix
>Black crackdown guy
>Scalebound dudr
>Rash
>Jago
>Microsoft Office Clippy
>Forza Car
>Bill Gates
>The Duke
>Plane Simulator Planes
>WOLOLOLO aoe guy
WHO IS THAT The Game
Tatsunoko vs Capcom had more recognizeable characters, holy shit
>>317985002
F-zero almost broke 3mil
X reached one Mil
GX was about 0.60
>>317985191
And people treat like the second coming of Jesus.
F-Zero was always niche and will always be, its chibi-robo tier.
>>317985320
Clippy would be the new Diddy
>>317985119
>not on sm4sh because sakurai
>people complained about it
>still one of the most requested characters to come back
whatever.jpg
>>317984960
What do you even define as a major new IP? Does it have to be on consoles? Does it have to be made by EAD? Or does it just have to be a thing you personally like?
>>317984975
This. If All-Stars did anything better than Smash it was stay true to the characters. Sly may as well be lifted straight from his own game in terms of attacks and abilities. Kat was another great example of this. Kratos too. The only ones that really feel phoned in is PaRappa and Fatty P, as they didn't have much to work with as far as combat goes.
This game was bad because of many reasons
>Abe from Oddworld abe's oddysee was cut from the game
>Sony tried to make Abe a playable character through dlc and Oddworld said yes
>Sony then said fuck you to Oddworld inhabitants and sony canceled the dlc
>Sony tried getting crash bandicoot and Spyro as a dlc
>Sony said fuck you to activision and sony canceled the dlc again
>Drake was shit
>Gecks was shit
>Dante was op
>Sly was op
>Zero funny bugs
>Zero easter eggs to games they hadn't used for playable characters (and no, the stages don't count)
>Character models were crappy
>Shittiest sound track in the world
>Many un-iconic characters
>>317985236
brilliant analysis. "Being profitable means making more than it cost to make. Seeing as how I have looked at PSASBR, I can definitively say it made at least $1 more than it cost to make."
how about the fact that it's never getting a sequel? Seems pretty indicative of how "profitable" it was to me. Unless you actually have their cash flow statement, don't nitpick evidence if all you have is an eyeball test
>No Crash Bandicoot
>No Dr Neo Cortex
>No Vin Ribbon (Vib Ribbon)
>No Spyro the Dragon (Spyro the Dragon)
>No Croc (Croc)
>No Gex (Gex)
>No Fwank (Loaded)
>No Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
>No Kain (Legacy of Kain)
>No Cloud Stryfe (Final Fantasy VII)
>No Yumi (Ape Escape 3)
>No Abe (Abe's Odyssey)
>No King (Tekken)
>NoBruce Willis
Nobody should attempt an "all-stars" cross over game unless they're willing to really dig deep for characters to assemble a diverse roster.
>>317985320
BLINX WOULD BE BEST FINAL BOSS
MAD THAT HIS MASCOT STATUS WAS STOLEN
I genuinely hope Bubsy gets in as a joke character if there's ever a sequel.
>>317985705
>Yumi
This really has to stop, she's only been in one game or something, i mean i get the lack of female characters but still
Lack of support from Sony themselves.
Lack of weeb characters (including first party ones like Dart Feld, even though he was apparently planned for DLC)
Way too many non-Sony characters.
>>317985737
Lol to rub salt in the wound Phil Spencer said Brute Force and Blinx would be the last things he ever reboots
>>317985559
Really? You don't see the inate difference in significance between Pushmo (a game series I really like, faggot) and Splatoon, a game where Nintendo went all in, promoted the shit out of, and treated it like their next big IP? We see Inklings features in renders with Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and the other greats for God's sake. Way more than Pushmo, Dillian, Excite Truck, and Rusty's Real Deal Baseball ever got.
>>317985825
Only 5 where non-Sony
>>317985767
Fuck, I'm an action platform gamer. Guess I gotta go pick this one up.
>>317985767
If he does, the Golden X award should be mentioned somewhere.
>>317985705
Don't forget no Dart Feld (Legend of Dragoon), no Vahn (Legend of Legaia) and no NepNep. I mean I know that Sony wants the Microsoft audience but still.
>>317985581
>>Sony tried getting crash bandicoot and Spyro as a dlc
>>Sony said fuck you to activision and sony canceled the dlc again
This never happened.
>>317985320
You really gave up half way through that didn't you?
MS could actually get quite alot of awesome characters, especially if they brought Sega onboard
>>317985628
What will you do if a sequel is announced at PSX, or the Game Awards where the first was revealed? A sequel has been rumored by previously credible leaksters.
>>317985920
And what about Xenoblade or the whole Wii series?
>>317985705
>>317985581
They pretty much scrounged together the cheapest cast of "appeared on a Sony console" characters they could find. I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally cheaped out and got Donte, Raiden and Big Daddy instead of actual iconic characters(Snake, original Dante,) for lower licensing costs due to cross promotion of recent games.
>>317986045
I don't think he was being at all serious to begin with.
>>317985403
Fun fact.
F-zero outsold Super Metroid, Kirby Super Star and Mega man 7.
All established and popular characters.
>>317972116
>Ryu
>Sony
The underage hurts
>>317984074
Somewhere in an alternate universe where Sony isn't managed by clueless retards, this would have been a reality.
Sony fans are too proud to buy such an obvious rip-off. They'd much rather put their noses in the air and say they didn't even WANT to play Smash Bros.
>>317986135
Oh, sorry, I honestly ignore weeb trash. I guess you could count Xenoblade if it'll make you feel better.
>The Wii series
I guess you pulled this from the bottom of the barrel along with Xenoblade
>>317969376
Personally I care more about Sony IPs than Nintendo but smash just plays so much better and less stiff.
>>317986095
>What will you do if a sequel is announced at PSX, or the Game Awards where the first was revealed?
go take pictures of the flying pigs
>In an interview with Shuhei Yoshida after E3 2013, Shuhei said "never say never", hoping there would be a future for the game. He also commented he'd "like to see us come back to the idea, but "maybe not the same mechanic".
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/12/shuhei-yoshida-never-say-never-on-a-playstation-all-stars-sequel-insomniac-creating-an-xbox-one-exclusive-is-part-of-growing-up/
sounds real fucking promising
>>317985320
Literal quote from Phil Spencer on a Smash Bros. Game from MS in 2012
"[laughs] Have you played PlayStation All Stars?"
I shit you not, Google it
>>317972116
>Ryu
>veterans remember 2 on Genesis and Snes as well as arcades
>kids know him as a multiplat
>has been on more ninty systems
>>317986316
This is fucking exactly what I was saying. It's always the same conversation
"They don't make new franchises" "oh did I say that? I meant they make shit games I don't like"
>>317986498
BASED
PHIL
>>317972972
>not knowing about the sega and Nintendo rivalry
>>317986498
I wish he was more like that instead of being the nicey nice guy
>>317969376
>Playstation All-Stars
>No Crash
>No Spyro
>No Final Fantasy Character
>Teased actual fan favorites like Dart but said "lelno"
Literally made all the wrong moves.
>>317986540
Wow, it's almost exactly like what's been going on in this thread who claim Nathan Drake, Kratos, and Sackboy are nobodies. It's almost like just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't a significant part of gaming as a whole. Wow. Isn't introspection amazing?
>>317986169
Apparently they tried going for the original Dante but Capcom forced El Donte on them instead because of their upcoming DmC game.
>>317986758
I dont like Call of Duty, what does this mean about the series?
>>317986843
It means it's actually pretty important, senpai.
>>317986498
Hahahaha
>>317986758
>Nathan Drake, Kratos, and Sackboy are nobodies
They are.
They'll never reach Mario levels and they're too popular to be niche hits.
They'll literally sit in that limbo where they're popular but not iconic forever.
>>317986901
What if i like DOOM?
>>317986954
Popular and nobodies are two diferent things
>>317982359
Lol y u so buttmad anon?
>>317969376
>Sony copies Nintendo for the 1953019nth time
>hey! you know what? Since everyone will say "hur dur, you guys just copy Nintendo's ideas and never have new ideas" let's not copy them fully. Let's add a new twist!
>new twist sucks
>>317986758
Hey dipshit I wasn't even one of the ones saying those games were insignificant, so nice job on that one.
>>317969376
>No Crash, Spyro, or Lara Croft, Raiden instead of Snake, Donte instead of Dante, very few weeb characters, etc.
>Made an actual Smash clone in terms of what the actual fighting is like instead of going for a basic 2D fighter or even a Namco-style 3D fighter (or even an arena-style fighter like Power Stone) while removing most of the stuff that makes Smash fun in an attempt to be different
^Two main flaws
>>317987046
if you want an idea for how iconic these characters are, imagine if the last Smash Direct announced one of these characters instead of Cloud. It'd be nothing but "wow, what a shitty pick" on /v/
>>317987204
>Wow what a shitty pick
Isnt that exactly how they reacted to Cloud?
>>317986498
Literal quote from Kaz Hirai on a Halo game from Sony
"[laughs] Have you played Haze?"
I shit you not, Google it
>>317987280
maybe the shitters did; more people were hype
>>317986962
Never played Doom but I can agree with its significance
>>317987374
WHAT?
>>317987142
That doesn't mean it still doesn't hold relevance to this thread. I apologize for not being able to tell one anonymous retard from another
>>317987280
Only a handful. Everyone else was hyped or bringing up this game and how Sony messed up by not putting him in that
>>317987204
why does /v/'s opinion matter? I'm positive there is one game that you really like that people here hate. And I would be fucking STOKED if Sackboy was in Smash.
>>317987532
I dont even care about Cloud, especially considering how FF looks fucking gay (and dont get me started on that FF/Disney fanfiction)
If anything, i just want Sony to actually take good care with their ip's because something like a spiky haired shota and a cute gravity waife is more approriate than normal people characters from game that pretend to be movies
>>317987046
They're popular in the sense that people know of them but nobodies in the sense that no one cares for them.
Hell mothers that have never played a video game know who Mario is, but Kratos? Eh, a lot of people played his game but only his dedicated fans really care for him.
>>317984283
Just goes to show you how uneducated the current /v/irgins are. This place is getting worse each day.
>>317979873
Butthurt sonyggers are the best
>>317969376
It comes down to game design.
They wanted to follow Smash's example, but still be different. Which is understandable, it should have an identity of its own. What they ended up doing was changing the whole crux of the experience accidentally.
In Smash, the point is to wail on each other until they get so much damage that they fly off uncontrollably. If you're playing with a Smash Ball involved, everyone converges on it and the winner gets a big screen clearing attack.
All Stars turns that on its head, but not really in a good way. Players all have a screen clearing attack, just like Smash, but the only way to get it is to build up your meter with successful attacks. That's a hold over from traditional fighting games like Street Fighter, but in the context of a large arena the game then becomes a keepaway game. The player is encouraged to stay away, rather than to be reckless. That slows the pace down to a halt and really diminishes the fun. 1v1s last for waaaaaaay too long because of this.
Did they really have Killzone guy as a character? top kek.
>>317987778
With what Nintendo did in the 80's, its not a surprise that everyone knows him.
>>317987430
I have an older brother so I was limited to consoles he wanted until I became my own person and could have opinions of my own. We had lots of Nintendo and Sega systems but somehow we never had a SNES. I didn't dabble in PC gaming until long after Doom's heyday.
>>317987698
Nooo no
No don't worry
You can keep him, you're okay.
It's not even a case of brands or anything, if Smash Bros got Snake and Cloud and Crash, wow, if it got Master Chief and Banjo, wow
Not sackboy
And thus why PlayStation All Stars failed, it wasn't filled with actual all stars, it was filled with sackboys.
>>317988021
You better try it then, i think you need like ZDoom or something, i dont know, ask someone and they may help you
>>317969376
Half this cast is literally who?
I mean I don't recognize 4 of them but most of these characters are so bland visually.
Probably as characters too but I've touched 8 out of 20 games represented.
>>317987698
because /v/'s an approximation for the general pop. I'd want Vyse from Skies of Arcadia in Smash more than anything. But if I'm building a Nintendo All Star game I probably don't use my third party slot on Vyse because I'm working for Nintendo and my job is to make money. Whether I like something has nothing to do whether something is popular.
>>317987778
What the fuck? Recognizability = People Caring? How many mothers would be torn up about there being no more Mario games?
>>317971621
They did, then they let it collect dust because smash is funner
>>317987716
>If anything, i just want Sony to actually take good care with their ip's
That'll never happen and you know it. Sony are a lot like the Nickleback of gaming, they'll just copy what's popular and leave everything else.
>>317988070
Hey, Shovel Knight should be in Smash, right guys?
>>317969376
should have been a Dissidia clone instead of a Smash clone and with a rooster repesenting the best of Sony's history:
Crash
Spyro
Rayman
Alucard
S. Snake
Jill Valentine
Akuma
Neptunia
Lighting
Vivi
Squall
Cloud
Yunna
DOA girls
Sheppard
a Colossus
Nemesis
Sora
Rikku
Mickey
Spiderman ,etc
I think the problem is, the game was shit from the get go, there's no urgency. There's no real penalty for getting hit, you don't lose health or anything like that. Hitting another player didn't have the satisfaction that it usually would because of this.
Another big part is, like OP said, Sony doesn't have a lot of recognizable characters.
When your pool of characters is so bad you have to get the dumb slut from Heavenly Sword, you know your game is probably going to flop.
>>317988324
Eh, he's made a bit more of a stir than Sackboy in the West.
Japan, I think they're about the same.
>>317988263
Damn, most of their ip's that are unknown, kid friendly, old or only popular in japan are usually games that actually seem good but for some reason ,they keep focusing on appealing to people that prefer movies than video games, which is why they make cinematic games, despite naming their console "playstation"
>>317988357
>spiderman
>>317970721
Smash should have Satan from SMT be playable.
>>317988324
Well that was a minority opinion so your point is invalid but even so As of November 2015 I would contest that yes, Shovel Knight is a much hotter topic than Sackboy.
I'm being that serious, so much of Sonys IP's breathe life for a few months then go back to complete irrelevancy again
>>317988179
What the fuck? If you think /v/ can be used as a sample size beyond what basement dwellers are in to you're crazy. If /v/'s opinion held any weight Geno would be in Smash
>>317975459
Duck Hunt looks nothing like he did in the original NES game, but he looks perfectly fine in Smash Bros.
>>317988443
On the bright side, they could introduce some of the actual good characters to proof they arent bad like Spike, Parappa and Kat
have they added any new characters? Last i saw was they added Kat from Gravity Rush
>>317988357
>>317988551
movie spidey is/was owned by Sony
>>317988070
>mfw Sackboy ripped off Voodoo Vince
>>317988601
you say that but /v/ seems to have some pretty mainstream taste. Like, you bring up Geno. People have been shitting on Geno since Brawl's Japan Time. I think the people that don't want him in outnumber the people that want him in like 90 to 1 here.
>>317988512
Maybe it'll roll around back to video games one day anon.
>>317970773
thats the problem with sony's characters. they're all angry middle aged white men and bately recognizable from each other
>>317969376
>Game is called Playstation All-Stars
>Barely any Playstation All-Stars
They fucked up by not having Snake. They double fucked up by having no Cloud or Sora. They tripled fucked up by having no Crash or Spyro.
I mean really, how do you not have them in there? Fucking Cloud gets into Smash before Playstation All-Stars still blows my fucking mind
>>317969376
I don't even know who seven of those are
>>317988582
Do you have any metric for popularity outside of /v/?
Because /v/ doesn't give a shit about Uncharted or LBP but that doesn't count for the entirety of the game playing populace.
>>317988747
They only made two movies with the spider and he's not a video game character.
It would be like Spawn in Soul Calibur.
Wait.
>>317988970
>seven
that less than half the roster because 7 - 20 = 13 which is bigger than 10
>>317970773
maybe they could star a house from Everybody's Gone to the Rapture?
Or a killzone shadow fall bundle?
>fucking Cole gets two separate versions of himself
should have made the evil version a palette swap and made room for fucking Crash or Spyro
>>317988935
>implying Sony would pay for the big characters during their worst gaming years
>>317989112
And also a room for better secondary reps like evil bad guys or waifus
Look at smash roster then this one
>>317989092
Only if the house has a P2 costume painted in neogaf colours
>>317969376
because dying to only special was a stupid idea.
>>317973926
Ah fuck, I forgot about this guy.
I miss Kevin Butler :c
>>317969376
As much as I love to mock Sony's character designs and history, I think the real reason why this game flopped is probably because it's an obvious clone but mostly because it played really bad.
Imagine playing Melee but the gravity being even stronger and you can't maneuver a lot while in mid-air. Also, almost every time you get hit you drop on the floor which is just awful. All that, and remove the whole "take your opponent out of the stage" feature and replace it with a health bar (they probably did this because they knew they would have gone waaaay too far with the copying).
>>317989412
Oh what a turn of events when Sony sued him
>>317988935
>Snake
OK, sure. It would attract a crowd
>Cloud
I'd prefer Tidus over him. At least Tidus is aware that he's fucking annoying.
>Sora
Copyright: The Character
>Crash and Spyro
If we're lucky, the rumoured sequel will include them.
Here's an idea for a better PSAS game, its a sex game where you pick your PS girl and fuck in different ways, you got it all: Cartoon and animu girls, Lolis, Furries, "Realistic" woman, Fatties, Thats dead girl from MediEvil, That apple thing from LBP2 and more.
you can also se tools like dildos and add more girls for lesbian sex, also, you get a child slave which happens to be Spike
They couldn't get Crash or Spyro or any other iconic characters because they're all properties tangled up in other companies.
So there's a legit reason why they aren't featured.
But that being the case, don't make a fucking "playstation all stars" game without playstation fucking all stars
>>317989412
I can't even enjoy Kevin Butler because it reminds me if Marcus PSP
Sony always fucks it up somewhere
>>317971306
Cloud is not a Sony character.
>>317971516
Fucking this. Kratos is temporarily iconic, Sony will kill GoW as soon as it stops being the "hip" thing, just like they drop most of their franchises.
>>317969376
Sony cared more about jewwing it up with marketing gimmicks like Isaac and Raiden than actually putting in iconic characters. Also, Sony has basically no iconic in-house characters, they couldn't get the characters we all remember like Spyro or Crash because they don't own them and the rights to them are all kinds of fukked
>>317969376
They tried to make a Smash game but distance themselves from Smash and other Smash clones. Because of this they decided on an unbalanced and awful mechanic to male KOs count.
A 2D fighter was an awful idea because most of Sony franchises are 3D games, while most Nintendo franchises started or are still in 2D. A party game in the style of Powerstone or that Higurashi psp would have been better.
Additionally 1 v 1 battles could take way too long given the defensive nature of the only-supers kill(even more defensive than Brawl or Sm4sh).
The roster was disappointing due to the lack of several characters that played great part in PS history like Cloud, Crash, Spyro, Lara Croft, etc.Or that some of the characters were promoting upcoming games(Raiden and Donte). It did not help that GoW and Infamous got 2 representatives, when they could have just put Kratos and one of the Coles.
Last part is that, It's lacking in content even when compared with previous versions of Smash. No character trophies or something similar (the Smash kind ones), not many extra modes. Which Smash has since Melee.
>>317977147
So Pac-Man is a Sony character too?
>>317989235
Even aside from character choices the Sm4sh roster is more appealing by design alone
>>317988869
I know, look at them all.
>>317989856
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE
Spike, Parappa, Daniel, Toro, Vib Ribbon, Patapon, Locco Rocco, Tag...
Thoughts on the rivalries?
>>317977992
Does seriously people take Crash as a nostalgic/iconic character?
>>317989839
Anyone who can stand to defend what few good aspects of All-Stars there were will tell you the same. The overall design is trash.
>>317989936
Why did they made Parappa a child abuser?
>>317989856
>Gravity rush feet on google
What the fuck?
>>317988582
It's also pretty funny in context when people were saying the Kratos cameo in Shovel Knight sucked dick
>>317989920
>Tag
>There will never be a Modnation PS4
Why even live?
>>317979479
>Nintendo used the purple Cloud design
Holy shit, these niggers actually know what they're doing. Why is the newer design so fucking dark?
>hm, how should we treat this game supposedly full of iconic characters from cherished franchises?
>PUT THEM IN A CHEAP MOBILE CASHGRAB WITHA RIDICULOUS AD GIMMICK
>>317990023
they couldve done that so much better though, I mean look at what Xbone got with Battletoads, they spent way more fucking effort on that, probably MS money
>>317990208
Why are you posting photoshops of Cloud's head on Zack's body?
>>317989839
I still think it's sad that Sakurai didn't give a shit when it came to adding the DLC characters to the CSS. It just looks so tacky now, with all these characters separated from their series.
>>317984074
My God, I barely know 9 of those characters and I only know them because I saw people shitposting them on /v/.
>>317976305
Playstation review scores [Gamerankings]:
>GEX: 63.33%
>Gex: Enter the Gecko: 81.70%
>Gex: Deep Cover Gecko: 77.20%
Overall average: 74.08%
If we abide by the actual rating system, his series is overall 'Good', close to 'Great'.
He isn't Bubsy 2.0, stop pretending he is.
>>317990365
Sorry, my bad.
>>317990562
Better.
>>317986278
Dart was coming to PS All stars as DLC but it was canceled
>>317990468
same
Ps all stars is like when you're reading a concert line-up and you're like "Who the literal fuck are these people" but the leaflet is presenting them as the talk of the town
>>317990468
>>317990776
I know they're not as iconic and popular as Nintendo characters but really? How long have you been playing video games?
>>317990931
What does that matter?
These characters just have extremely bland designs that don't stand out our stick.
>>317990931
most of my 26 year life
>>317969376
You can only take a stock from your enemy by killing them with a Super Move which is just retarded.
>>317990931
>there are people on /v/ who plays on nintendo consoles exclusively
>there are people on /v/ that played nothing but Mario, Donkey Kong and Zelda for 20+ years
This explains a lot.
im surprised they couldnt scrape up at least an Assassin's Creed character
i wager all of the big boy companies either wouldnt outright allow their characters (Square Enix/Ubisoft/Activision) or put large restrictions on use of the others (Konami/Capcom)?
i recall two anons who said they worked on the game outright confirming this but i know not to outright believe everything i see in this place
>>317975459
Colours, texturework and lighting.
Just like Smash did.
>>317992701
There's no one like that on /v/.
>>317990931
>>317984074
Characters I totally know:
>Iota(I own the game, it wasn't that good)
>Joel & Ellie
Game of the year, everybody.
>Kat
>Anyone (Demon's Souls)
Technically not a character, but I recognize the the armor because it's fucking Demon Souls.
Characters I've seen somewhere but never knew their names:
>Vibri
Characters I've only seen posted on 4chan:
>Jody
>Lammy
She's from a Parappa spin-off, wasn't it?
>Blasto
I know almost every character on the 3rd Party list but I only know Gex and Neptunia from constant posting on 4chan.
>>317990776
Holy shit, no one could have summarized that better. My sides.
>>317992928
I have a feeling Ezio would increase sales given his popularity
>>317994085
Even the box art is underwhelming.
So, who the fuck is the ugly fat pink bitch? i don't remember her.
>>317994768
She's from Fat princess.
>>317969376
These types of threads are always so weird because it seems like everyone's got their own explanation. Like the characters, being too much like Smash, not being enough like Smash, poor marketing, etc.
Personally I feel one of the major issues is that it was initially conceived as a Smash like game, but as it got closer to release, it tried to switch its focus to the FGC and in the end didn't appeal to anyone.
>>317970064
Okay, now that I think about it I'd love a Neptunia fighting game. Or even a "Fighting" game like Smash.
>>317988357
>should have been a Dissidia clone
>>317974776
>>317975459
Melee and Brawl trying to make everyone look realistic and grungy was one of their biggest mistakes. I prefer the characters to look like they do in their own games instead of being forced to be a style they look awful in.
Looking at the roster, why is most of it recent (at the time) games? There doesn't seem to be many older games there. I guess this ties into the "iconic roster" thing but people would be a lot more interested with characters they actually know. Basically everyone played Spyro or Crash as a kid but I know literally no one who has ever played InFamous. Not even online, I seriously don't know a damn person. Yet Infamous has two characters in the roster, who is the same guy twice.
Having characters people actually care about wouldn't make the shit gameplay any better of course, but people might of been more forgiving.
By the way, what over cross over fighting games would you like to see? Personally I'd love to see a gigantic mess of different franchises and properties, like an official MUGEN. It'd be retarded as fuck but it'd be retarded and fun.
>>317995036
basically its a crossover game with no well know or beloved characters
>>317997175
liam from the zaibatsu hates sm4sh's art style
>>317998386
And whoever the hell he is can lick a dick. 4's visual style is a hell of a lot better then Melee and Brawl.
>>317997175
I agree, seeing crazy characters that look like they don't belong together is one of the appeals of crossovers like that, trying to change them to fit just ruins a little something about the characters.
>>317998386
Liam very consistently has the worst taste so I'm not surprised.
