>This year in gaming has had seen one of the most ridiculous trends in game development in recent memory: the conceit that there is a reason for nude or near-nude female characters in a game outside of the obvious one involving giving straight male players a boner. Studios that should know better keep trotting out pretentious narrative reasons in order to explain away any criticism about sexual objectification of women in the media.
>First there was Quiet from MGSV. The sniper’s skimpy outfit drew fire prior to the game’s release and director Kojima explaining that once we knew the reason for her being underdressed we would all be “ashamed.” When the reason ended up being that Quiet has to breathe through her skin the only shame I felt was for the MSG franchise.
>Next up we got Cortana in Halo 5. She’s an AI and she appears completely in the buff. Franchise director Frank O’Connor explained…She's not really nude … but that's what it makes you think of. So one of the reasons she [chooses to appear without clothes] is to attract and demand attention
>Which makes no sense at all. By O’Connor’s logic Cortana would be just as effective if she was a giant floating head.
>It’s important to remember that video game characters do not themselves make choices. Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
>I like the female form as much as the next guy. However, there are two things I’d like to see games do better. The 1st is technical. If you’re going to strip Cortana quit trying to skirt the issue by blurring the sex characteristics. I’m starting to wonder if anyone at 343 Industries has ever actually seen a vulva.
>The 2nd thing; stop lying to the audience. We don’t see Cortana’s genitals because then the game would seem explicitly sexual. However, Cortana is already being displayed as explicitly sexual and there’s no point in trying to deny it with coyness.
Thoughts on this, lads?
You made this bait thread earlier today. Fuck off.
He's right. If you want sexy women in your game because you like sexy women just say so. Hiding behind stupid excuses just makes you look ridiculous.
Sounds about right. Do it because you want to, not because of a convoluted bullshit reason to justify your modelled bikini character.
>>317685434
>When the reason ended up being that Quiet has to breathe through her skin the only shame I felt was for the MSG franchise.
Who the fuck made this retard the arbiter of "smart reasons"?
>>317685582
>>317685591
Fuck off SJW scum
>>317685434
What the fuck is he on about? Cortana is wearing a bodysuit of armor now that she's got a physical form
>>317685652
rollin
>>317685434
>I like the female form as much as the next guy
The guy next to him is a gigantic homo then.
>>317685697
>Cortana wearing a suit
Since fucking when?
What the fuck?
>>317685652
REAL NIGGA SHIT
The naked - or 'nude' - body is generally considered artistic, used to express the beauty of both males and females.
See: Michelangelo's David, The Birth of Venus by Sandro Botticelli, literally any Greek art
If Video Games are now being considered an art form, ironically by these same people shitting on nudeness in games, then surely the ability to express the human body is artistic and should be expected in a game?
>>317685652
roll roll roll
>>317685764
In halo 5 she gets recovered by some forerunner technology, goes completely mental and turns into robot hitler and has a physical real world body
>>317685434
>The 2nd thing; stop lying to the audience. We don’t see Cortana’s genitals because then the game would seem explicitly sexual. However, Cortana is already being displayed as explicitly sexual and there’s no point in trying to deny it with coyness.
This nigga never heard of tasteful nudity
You can enjoy viewing a woman's naked body without going AFLURLFURLFUR VULVA
fucking idiot
>>317685652
awwww yeah nigga cosmic wizard
>>317685795
check your privilege
>2015
>You're a straight male
>Having a boner is litteraly considered your dick doing a Nazi salute
>>317685434
>These choices are made for them.
Wait, are they advocating for the freedom of virtual characters?
Aren't they also making the choice of wearing clothes for them too?
>>317685804
>has a physical real world body
Her and Master Chief are going to fuck, aren't they?
>>317685434
There may be no "smart reason", but I'm a guy who likes women and I'm not afraid to admit, that I like looking at naked or near-naked women.
And I can differentiate between objectifying a sexy female character in a video game and an actual real woman in real life. You know, just like I can differentiate between "it's fun to shoot a lot of dudes in a game, but it wouldn't be the best thing in real life".
>>317685850
Maybe if she wasn't a villain who wants to imprison him for 10,000 years while she takes over the universe
rolling senpai
>>317685651
but quiets nakedness is justified with the parasites and it fits into the rest of the story.
>>317685652
wizroll
>>317685652
Leggoooooo.
>>317685434
>don't like video game
>don't buy video game
That's all there is to it. If the audience that the game caters to doesn't like it enough the developers will know and change what they're doing or become bankrupt.
It's how this shit works.
>>317685434
>involving giving straight male players a boner.
Why is it always just straight males? What about lesbian? Do the people who write these articles not know that lesbians are just as perverted as straight males?
>>317685652
Rollin
>>317685434
Oh look a SJW apologist thread
>>317685652
rollin around at the speed of sound
>>317685652
the kay kay kay
But there are "smart reasons" for naked women in real life?
second senpai roll
>>317685652
ROLL
>>317685434
I'm rapidly losing the ability to care because I've realized that most of the censorship attributed to SJWs are actually just excuses for the localization crew to pretend that they have more work that they must do so they'll get a bigger pay check, and because most games are so shit these days that I barely play modern games anymore.
And yeah I agree about the lying thing. Just be honest for fuck's sake. We know that Cidney isn't dressed like a slut to represent some energetic character, she's dressed like a slut because you want to stick fap bait into the game.
>>317685434
Beta white knight
>>317685434
> the conceit that there is a reason for nude or near-nude female characters in a game outside of the obvious one involving giving straight male players a boner
What about lesbians? Bisexual male and female players? Fucking toxic homophobes, I swear.
>>317685896
Jizzard... what whattttttt?
>>317685434
People want to buy it.
Smart reason provided.
Text not read.
>>317685652
rolllll
quinn blows
>Americans getting triggered by flesh again.
This never gets old.
>>317685972
No one intentionally caters to those groups.
>>317686020
>what are Kickstarter/indie games
If it bothers them so much, why aren't they complaining about like, Rap music?
You ever seen those music videos? They're practically raping women on screen, but god forbid you should think about showing a little skin in a video game.
>>317686020
>He hasn't played Gone Home
>>317685892
That was my point bud
Stop posting this thread.
Sage.
>>317685434
what if naked womyn in videogames are made for the purpose of giving lesbian gamers a runny cunny?
what then, shitlords?
There is no empirical evidence whatsoever that any form of art, video games or otherwise, either causes people to be more sexist or changes the way people think about women. None. Zero. It is entirely a feminist theology and it has no merit. You might as well be saying that nudity in games is bad because Jesus doesn't like it. It's entirely a faith-based ideology.
>>317685795
Video games are toys for manchilds, it will never be art you retard. Just stop.
>>317685434
Here's a smart reason: Artistic freedom.
Something neo-progressives are incapable of comprehending because they're never created anything in their lives but e-drama.
>>317685876
>imprison
u see she has good intentions and just wants to make the universe a paradise for the two of them
so saying it like shes doing it out of spite seems wrong
but yea shes fucking batshit insane now, and there trilogy will end with either having chief convince her to turn back or she self destructs or takes down the warden in an act of self sacrifice.....again
>>317685959
Cidney is dressed that way because she's based on cowgirl truckers and mechanics from the southwest who do dress that way, and because she herself is a cowgirl trucker who happens to be a mechanic
If you've ever been to the southwest you would see women dressed like that even in professional positions
What he said about her isn't that she's energetic which is why she dresses like that, it's that she's an energetic character, not an erotic character which is true, nothing she does is erotic or sexual, she is peppy and upbeat about fixing cars and she does exactly that, fixes cars with a huge smile on her face
>>317686067
They know they can't change rap music or the people making it. They might actually fight back and - gasp - tell them to fuck off and that they don't care about sjw-issues. Plus they're 99% black and you can't criticize black people!
There is zero point to this thread.
400 posts of circlejerking about how the media is literally demonizing whoever/whatever
MOOODS
>>317686143
>it will never be art you retard.
I agree with you, but there are people championing the 'artistic' value of a video game, which just raises hypocrisy when they then challenge a developer's artistic freedom.
>>317686020
Have you ever seen Xena? Do you seriously think that was catering to males?
Sexy naked women are their own reason.
>>317686180
Go to bed, Square-Enix.
>>317686143
>it will never be art
I didn't know videogames grew on the trees!
>>317686154
She's got some kind of mental issues, she legitimately believes she's doing the right thing but she's batshit insane and not ashamed to act hostile towards the likes of team osiris
>>317686209
>Criticizing rap music is criticizing black people
Anon, you might be a total idiot.
>>317686260
Now post his response to the image
He'd really get a kick out of Bayonetta and OneChanbara
>>317686150
Can you read? The problem is that games devs aren't using that as a reason for including these elements. Instead they try to justify its inclusion with flimsy excuses that everybody can see are bullshit.
>>317686307
Don't have it.
>>317685697
>now that she's got a physical form
Oh man I'm so glad I didn't play that fanfic tier Halo 5.
>>317686348
>they aren't using them as reasons to include it
>instead they're using them as reasons to include it
Okay
>>317685764
m8, sauce please
>>317685434
>the obvious one involving giving straight male players a boner.
What about giving lesbian gamers a lady boner?
>>317686180
I absolutely don't mind and neither does my dick nor my conscience.
>>317685434
It's true. That won't stop me from asking for it, because fantasy.
sage
>>317686348
I have no issue with that. in-story reason to justify cheesecake is part of the lore stuff that I actually like.
I mean, what's wrong with going in a village full of naked women and they justify it bay saying clothes are against their religion?
>>317686315
Bayonetta is completely honest about its intentions, ergo it doesn't fit as an example.
>>317685434
He's completely right, vidya aren't smart and it's high time we stopped pretending they are. Devs should just admit they're doing it to please our dicks like the japs do. Enjoy it for what it is.
>>317686460
>tfw no Cid gf
>"video games are art and therefore there can be no erotic in video games"
hurr durr. As if art wasn't full of eroticism throughout the entire history of humanity.
>>317686262
Sorry but you were BTFO with facts and reality
Cidney isn't a sexual character, nothing she does or says is sexual or erotic at all, her having cleavage exposed doesn't make her sexual, sexualization happens in the mind
All she ever talks about is cars or fixing cars, all she ever does is fix cars, she is energetic about cars
Even when two of the male characters in the party hit on her, she is completely oblivious to it and thinks they are talking about cars and car repairs, she has nothing but cars on her mind and she's energetic about cars and that was played for laughs too because she isn't thinking about being sexual at all even when men hit on her.
What Tabata said about her being an energetic character and not an erotic one is objectively true.
He didn't say anything about her outfit being that way because she's energetic, he was talking about her personality and characterization.
And again if you had ever left your house you would know that women in the south who are cowgirls and even female mechanics dress skimpily, Cidney is based on those women and she even has a southern belle accent because of that too, as a character she is not sexual or erotic, she is energetic.
>>317686468
It's really no different.
>>317686094
>>317686457
What about the straight female gamers?
>>317685582
Some people enjoy silly porn plots though.
>Renaissance
>height of human culture
>both sexes were often depicted naked to show the beauty, fragility, and mortality of humanity
>modern era
>women sexualized in any manor is offensive
>women being fragile in any way is sexist
>men are pigs for wanting to show the beauty of a female character in any art
What happened?
>>317685434
I'm sick of being harassed for wanting sexy women in my video games.
>>317685434
OK, you know why they put naked women in games?
Because they are men who like to look at naked women
and most of their customers are men who like to look at naked women
>>317686460
>/v/ tries to talk to a girl
>>317685651
cotton is breathable fabric. parasites are an ad hoc attempt at justification for being barely clothed
>>317686591
They have tons of games made for them, like Norn9, Code Realize or GTA San Andreas
>>317686640
That's the point. I'd never say that to an actual girl. Do you go around and tell girls what kind of porn you like on the first date?
>>317686609
We stopped ignoring women who aren't our mothers, or someone we want do get our dicks into.
>>317685434
>Cortana is already being displayed as explicitly sexual and there’s no point in trying to deny it with coyness.
Clearly a retard at work.
343 wants Halo to be an M-rated game.
A realistically modeled vulva turns it into an AO-rated game and nobody FUCKING SELLS AO GAMES
FAR BE IT FOR A GAMES WRITER TO UNDERSTAND THE ESRB, PEGI, CERO AND WHATEVER THE FUCK AUSTRALIA USES
>>317685434
>tens of thousands of female porn stars
>thousands of girls who strip and display their bodies on live cams for attention
>twerking is one of the most popular dances on the planet
>most popular female clothes are skin tight yoga pants
But please stop objectifying women you silly boys!
>>317686591
How about Anita Sharkskin and that other bitch get off their asses and design games for straight females instead of expected straight men to do it for them? As if they don't have the god damn connections. Also, they'd only bitch about if a straight male wrote it.
>>317685434
I want more naked women in video games, that's the only reason they need to have to be nude.
>>317686584
Sure it is, Kamiya makes no attempt to justify the sexual elements in that game as anything more than "I wanted it to be like this". It's completely different from MGS and similar games.
>>317685582
If you want to censor other people to bring yourself comfort, just say so. Hiding behind claims that it abuses and objectifies women makes you look ridiculous.
>>317685434
>It’s important to remember that video game characters do not themselves make choices. Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
... what?
Well, what choices do these fictional characters make for themselves?
What about Romeo and Juliet? They didn't chose to kill themselves, some asshole name Shakespeare made that decision for them.
What about all the dumb mooks who attack you in vidya games? They didn't make that choice, perhaps they'd rather be at home with a good book. But nooo, someone else made that choice for them and now they have to die a pointless death.
>>317685897
exit is not the only allowable voice available to a person who dislikes something in a market.
nor should it be
>>317686737
No, for the webm
>>317686582
>All she ever talks about is cars or fixing cars, all she ever does is fix cars, she is energetic about cars
Not even him but you know that fapbait doesn't have to talk about sexual things or act sexual, right? You sound exactly like the people who said that Quiet wasn't designed for fanservice just because Kojima came up with a bullshit reason for it.
>And again if you had ever left your house you would know that women in the south
How would leaving my house when I live far to the northeast help me realize that?
>>317686795
Quiet is dressed the way she is because Kojima wanted her to be.
It's no different. He added a reason just like how Kamiya did.
>>317686591
There are games for them.
Also being a straight male myself doesn't stop me from playing bishonen games and liking them, it's stupid to think women can't.
>>317685434
isnt that the guy who sent a picture of his daughter to a ped0
>>317686858
Oh, well yeah you're right. Completely missed that possibility.
>>317686609
>both sexes were often depicted naked to show the beauty, fragility, and mortality of humanity
Yeah and shit like Quiet doesn't depict any of that, it's there so you can jack off to it. Nudity in Renaissance art had a purpose beyond titillation, the vast majority of fanservice in video games doesn't.
>>317686591
They have Raiden in 2 (same character model in 3) homosex vamp on 2 and 4, snake Ass in all the games. They have enough.
>>317686582
I don't see women dressed like that in real life all that often. Backyard mechanics sure, but that's about it aside from hooker of course.
>>317685434
Yet again when talking about female gamers and game icons it comes down to sexuality and nudityand just like every other time it's brought up by a female.
>>317686872
>Quiet is dressed the way she is because Kojima wanted her to be.
And if he were honest about it this wouldn't be an issue.
>He added a reason just like how Kamiya did.
A retarded reason that everyone is justifiably shitting on for how retarded it is.
![Venus_de_Milo_in_the_Musee_de_Louvre[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bjMS0Dw.jpg "Venus de Milo in the Musee de Louvre[1]")
>>317685582
>this isn't art, if you want to look at sexy women just say so. Hiding behind stupid excuses just makes you look ridiculous.
>>317686784
Anita and her crew are modern con artists. None of them actually believe anything g of what they say. They're in it only for profit. The IRS will destroy her "charity" in due time.
Real men like women, and seeing them nude is nice.
And seeing as hysteric feminazis have turned looking at actual women into rape, we have to look at fictional ones instead.
There's your good reason.
>>317686645
haha nigga u gay
>>317685434
You don't need a reason to have naked women in games. You don't need a reason at all to put anything in your own game. That's the entire problem. If Kojima wanted the entire fucking cast to be naked it would still be 100% fine and he wouldn't need a reason for it. People acting like stories and characters need to be tailored to fit their brand of morality need to fuck off. If you don't like a character being naked, don't play the game and keep your shitty worldview to yourself.
Surely we can all agree that those Quiet scenes were embarassingly bad
>>317686784
>>317686925
How can girls have their fun in games if male characters are forced to be censored on default?
Isn't clothed erection alone enough to raise game rating to r-18?
>>317686974
>under 10 games is enough when men have hundreds
Come on, anon.
>>317687102
The entire narrative and all it entails is embarrassing.
>>317686971
>Quiet is forced to wear provocative clothing as a result of a past mission and the madness of a man.
>Quiet is beautiful and makes poses to display such
>Quiet was clearly fragile but now has great strength
>she could die at any time if she runs out of water
Seems to cover all three.
>>317687047
Bayonetta's outfit being made of hair isn't exactly the world's must justifiable reason either.
You're upset over nothing.
>>317687058
does the IRS have a rule against people saying stuff they dont believe?
>>317687101
You guys keep missing the point. This article isn't complaining about the content existing, it's complaining about the weak excuses to justify its inclusion and wishing that devs would just be honest about their intentions when they include it.
>>317686784
They're too busy getting kicked out of the UN meetings for fraudulent data.
>>317685434
>The 1st is technical. If you’re going to strip Cortana quit trying to skirt the issue by blurring the sex characteristics. I’m starting to wonder if anyone at 343 Industries has ever actually seen a vulva.
Bloody liar. He'd throw a shitfit if they did that.
>>317685434
>men like video games
>men like naked woman
>healthy females can appreciate a naked woman
>men and women put naked females in game
???
>>317685434
>This year in gaming everyone didn't pander to my specific point of view, so instead of supporting media that did, I'm having a big bitch about it because I am a mentally deficient child.
Honestly I feel bad, since I'm practically laughing at the mentally challenged at this point.
>>317687249
And then lie about why they put them there.
>>317687172
We get that.
But before MGSV the SJW were all saying that sexualization in games is only acceptable if it's for a reason relevant to the plot.
Now they're upset that someone used a plot reason to do it.
Feminists who get butt hurt over sexy women in the media need to wonder why does it upset them so.
Maybe it's because, women are evolved to think of other women, as competition to be chosen as breeder partners for successful cavemen?
Men however evolved towards teamwork, that's why say we can watch an Arnold Schwarzenegger film, and not get jealous and cry sexism.
They should stop seeing more attractive women, especially in video games comics or paintings as competition. its delusional.
>>317687132
>How can girls have their fun in games if male characters are forced to be censored on default?
>Isn't clothed erection alone enough to raise game rating to r-18?
I thought men were the only one who were perverts? I mean, wouldn't this just point out their hypocrisy? As if Men would give a shit about being exploited.
>>317687241
you know this how?
>>317687132
They're free to make their own games, instead of whining to men about the games they make for a predominately male demographic the past 20 years. If 50% of gamers really are women it should be very easy to make a profitable games aimed at women, but no, much better to pretend men are morally sinister and bad people for merely indulging themselves at worst, and at best having sound business strategies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InUSRf8AIiM
>>317685434
If cortana had a vulva, although it would be nice, the game would have an AO rating and would be barred from the store. And besides, cortana always looked like she was wearing a skintight suit in the older games.
>>317687292
That picture of Anita and Zoe at the Women's UN makes me so happy now.
All because they got shit on BY the Women's UN because of it.
>>317687292
god damn that was hard to read
>>317687172
Moron, if the "writer/director" wants to make his naked chicks lorewise plausible there is no fucking reason at all to bitch about it.
That's just a retarded excuse to keep bitching about artistic freedom. "hurr durr I'm only offended because he did not just put tits in the game without explanation".
No you are not, you are bitching because you are a little faggot.
>>317687053
Nigga you really comparing this to fucking Quiet? I mean really, just think of the implication you just made. Think for a few minutes just how fucking stupid that was.
>>317685434
Who said it has to be a smart reason? Anyway if the game is set in a strip club I do expect to see some topless women.
>>317687172
But here's the thing, she's complaining because they're not tailored to her brand of morality.
>>317687015
I live in Texas and see girls in short pants all the fucking time in summer.
>>317686445
monstress
I don't think it's porn
>>317687249
>healthy females can appreciate a naked woman
Stop projecting your unrealistically idealized picture of objectified women. Stop enforcing your conceited misogynistic opinion of what's "healthy" and what is not.God, writing this made me throw up in my mouth a bit. There are actually people like this..
there shouldn't be a reason
the game developers do what they fucking want
don't like it don't buy it, answer with your wallets
>>317687278
No. They try to come up with a shaky explanation for the over sensitive folks.
Again the rest can just appreciate it.
>>317687306
You're telling me he'd react positively if they gave their nude females fully-modelled vulva?
>>317685434
> white guy complaining about women's issues
Every time
>>317687132
Why the fuck would you want to see boners in normal videogames? That's not an equivalent to erotic female characters at all, that's a fallacy.
>10 games
No there's legit a hundred of them for women too. Just say show there's a market for it if you actually want them.
http://kotaku.com/sponging-down-sweaty-attractive-men-the-other-side-of-499361817
In before >kotaku and you're right, but here.
>>317687426
>>317686445
It's just a new comic that only has one chapter. It looks like SJW and Tumblr are all sorts of hyped over it. So, expect the story to cater towards them.
I miss when stories were just written by the creator of the comic, and not an amalgamation of what they get in fan letters.
>>317687361
They are bitching because the lore reasons are completely retarded. Everyone understood why nanomachines explaining everything in MGS4 was stupid but no one was crying "artistic freedom" and defending Kojima's moronic decisions.
Well, perhaps the hardcore Kojimadrones were, but that hasn't changed.
>>317687345
>Women around the world still actually oppressed
>Women in India rape and sexually assaulted with objects frequently
>Women in several countries stoned to death for violating rules written by men
>Someone exercised their right to challenge the bullshit this women put on youtube.
Yeah I can't imagine why actual feminist who aren't retarded got pissed.
>>317687365
Well video games are the closest to 'high art' were going to get these days.
Cost wise ecspecially, its the closest we have to high art.
In actual art galleries, all the 'modern' stuff costs about $200 to make, and looks fucking atrocious.
Paintings or sculptures done in the style of the old masters just doesn't get made anymore.
>>317687360
>"problematic"
Gah, I hate that fucking word.
It's so fucking passive aggressive. There's no real meaning to it, but it sounds objective and serious.
It's the perfect word for SJWs, as it makes their complaints sound valid, while at the same time doesn't go into any details or consequences at all.
>>317687360
>against "not for everyone"
>hentaiphd
Does she not even understand how fetishized and fragmented hentai as a medium is?
It's the definition of "not for everyone."
If someone doesn't like futa they aren't going to watch Star Jewel
Nobody who hates BDSM is going to watch Euphoria
It's not for them.
The same applies to all media.
>>317687294
>>317687314
Women can't make games themselves because the censorship on male characters is so heavy.
If they did, it would be automatically banned on steam and all platforms. How do you seriously make a game in that situation?
>>317685675
How are either of those SJW?
>>317687365
Not that guy, but while they totally have differing amounts of historical value video games are certainly an art form. The person making the video game has as much a right to put in a scantily clad or nude person in their game as the dude who made that sculpture.
you see, the box has to have a hole in the bottom so that the delivery man can get a good grip on it. he is a war veteran whose hands were injured by an explosion.
oh and this woman has a special kind of cancer that can only be treated by semen
>tfw my gf was playing MGSV and liked Quiet best of all companions.
She said "well the reason for this is a bit bullshit, but I really like her design"
All I know is that my wife voiced how ridiculous it was that Quiet was showing so much skin, and then when I told her that she had damaged lungs and was enhanced with parasites in order to breath through her skin she was suddenly okay with it.
>>317687474
They try to come up with a shaky explanation because they're too cowardly to admit they're including the content for people to masturbate to.
The oversensitive crowd are going to dislike it explanation or not so it makes no sense to attempt to justify it to them.
>>317687491
Being a white emasculated man complaining about shit on behalf of other people which is so fucking asinine not even said people stoop to low enough levels to complain makes you progressive, and everyone knows being progressive means being more intelligent than everyone else.
>>317687571
>>317687634
>video games
>art
I swear I'm being trolled nobody can be this goddamn deluded.
>>317687597
You don't need to release on Steam to make a PC game, anon.
You can't have sexually explicit depictions of women in Steam games either.
Only ecchi/softcore gets allowed, and the same, I assume, would apply to depictions of men.
>>317687635
>dick isn't already in the pizza
0/10 would not fap
>make a woman in a game half naked for no reason other than you like hot girls
>sexist garbage its 2015 people
>try to give a reason why she would be half naked
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T WIN
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE NAKED GIRLS ANYMORE
ABORT PLANET
>wow at least be honest with us if you put a naked girl in there
>>317687365
No, you're stupid for deciding what is an isn't acceptable that will only stifle creative freedom, it's up to the creator to justify his work in any way he likes. Also you seem to be ignorant of the exact same criticism art such as this has received.
"Venus de Milo didn't decide what she wears, it was decided for her"
"I like the female form as much as the next guy. However, there are two things I’d like to see artists do better. The 1st is technical. If you’re going to strip Venus quit trying to skirt the issue by blurring the sex characteristics. I’m starting to wonder if Alexandros of Antioch has ever actually seen a vulva.
>>317687634
Yeah and people have a right to criticize the perceived flaws of what they produce.
There is no "smart reason" for naked women in real life.
>>317687578
Fuck sake, what does Anita want?
Women to NEVER be harmed hurt, or captured in media ever again?
Women to NEVER be referred to as an object, even by the FUCKING VILLAINS?
>>317687509
What about I don't give a crap. The game has way bigger problems than explaining why the only redeeming part about it needs to be naked...
Kill yourself with a vocal chord...thingamajigga.
>>317687706
wouldnt that be extremely painful?
>>317687053
Yes but takes moe skill to make that than 3d modeling.
>>317687279
>if it's for a reason relevant to the plot.
>someone used a plot reason to do it
Are you for real right now?
The main character constantly has semen leaking from her gaping anus because she needs fresh semen injections in her ass to continue living. Now feel ashamed of your words and deeds.
>>317687761
I'm not saying what should and shouldn't be accepted you dumb shit. I am telling you that comparing high art on which all of western culture was built on to a fucking pixelated striptease show is utterly retarded. Learn to read and comprehend.
>>317687597
I like how you quoted mean, but ignored my questions in my post. Moron.
>>317687680
Explain to me how video games are not art, in a way that does not apply to movies
>MGS is filled with characters with retarded reasons to look the way they do
>SJWs fixate on the woman
Gee, it's almost like they are just prudes and nothing more.
>>317687798
If you harm a woman, it's better that she was weak to begin with, apparently.
And villains shouldn't be villainous towards women - that's being too mean.
>>317687750
>be intellectually dishonest
>get called out for it
>>HOLY SHIT WE JUST CANT WIN CAN WE?!?!?
>>317687680
They are a type of art, the act of creating software is an art in itself.
While it might not be considered high art, like poetry or the theater.
And just like all art throughout history, people will push human desire into it, and puritans and the delusional will try and push their own beliefs onto other peoples work.
>>317687839
You might not care but who cares about that? If other people want to shit on this particular aspect of the game why does that bother you?
>>317687841
If you can't handle a hot pizza straight to the dick to get some pussy, I can't you seriously.
>>317687847
Not my fetish. Probably wouldn't buy it, but I appreciate the concept. Might be good for Starless fans.
>>317687869
Ottermode is such a useless "body type", you only look good with the right lightning and posture, otherwise you just look dyel 24/7.
>>317685434
And neither is there a "smart reason" for it not to be there
>>317687869
theyre made exclusively for faggots
>>317687278
Having your own reasoning does not equal "lying".
If I ask why you're such a massive failure at life, you'll present your reasoning and according to this logic, I'm meant to call you a liar because fact is you're just a worthless piece of garbage, right?
>>317687597
That's not true.
You can show everything about a male body in games save for his dick and asshole. That's muh less restrictive than the censoring for male characters.
Stop your bullshit seriously.
>>317687680
Not only are they creating a work of art, but they are creating visuals, audio and a way to interact with said piece. It requires just as much, if not more artistic vision to create a good game than a good painting. Granted it is multiple people working on it a lot of the time, but nobody has ever said it is against the rules of art to have more than one person work on something.
>>317687782
I never said they have no right to complain, however that doesn't stop it from being a dumb thing to complain about.
>>317687671
>content for people to masturbate to.
Normal people don't masturbate to video games, freak.
That's ALL you.
>>317687278
No one lied.
People asked why Quiet dressed the way she did.
No one asked why he put a half naked character in the game.
>>317687975
GTA Lost and Damned, and Dante's Inferno both showed dicks in them.
>>317687971
>Having your own reasoning does not equal "lying".
Quiet was designed the way she was before Kojima thought up a reason for it. At that point any reason for her having to dress that way is retroactive.
>>317687951
I just find it really sexy when people have muscle definition, skinny-fit guys are the best.
>>317687961
Don't quite get your reasoning there, a log of great art is made by faggots
I don't care. Not enough to finish th
>>317688012
>Normal people don't masturbate to video games
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
>>317688020
>People asked why Quiet dressed the way she did.
And the answer is "Kojima wanted to include a sexy character".
>>317686845
Name another
>>317687910
It's like complaining that the dude that got run over by a bus in front of you made your new shoes dirty.
It's a matter of perspective. You could call it a severe case of nitpicking.
>>317685434
There can always be reasons to have a naked woman in a video game, just as there can be reasons to have naked women in movies/TV/anything, so I reject this SJW clickbait article title, but Quiet is a particularly cringe-worthy character, and a prime example of Kojima's hackery, so you can't be mad at SJWs for clinging to an easy target.
>>317688071
Yeah I know, I was just pointing it out.
Now post more.
>>317688152
No, the answer to "Why does Quiet dress like that?" is that she was burned and uses her skin to breath.
The answer to "why did Kojima write in a half naked character" is that he wanted to include a sexy character.
>>317687278
Yeah, to shut up SJWs.
Nobody else gives a fuck.
Isn't the point of playing fantastical video games where you play as a badass world saving super dude for the enjoyment? Why is it okay to create a fictional narrative in which you are unrealistically important and skilled just to make the player feel good, but its not okay to make fictional attractive women for the same reason?
Really, if you think the fictional fantasy media you consume makes you better or worse than someone else because of the what fictional fantasy media they consume, you have really laughably bad priorities in ethics. Everyone likes to feel important, or attractive, or wanted by other attractive people, and you aren't making yourself look like a more mature or respectable person by blatantly lying and saying you don't.
>>317688342
It didn't shut anyone up though, the opposite in fact.
>>317688152
Nothing wrong with that.
>>317687694
>>317687975
>You can't have sexually explicit depictions of women in Steam games either.
Witcher games show everything for female characters, but still no explicit male depictions allowed in them.
>>317688382
They had to try at least.
The lesson is: don't pay attention to SJWs.
They are not relevant in this industry anyway.
>thing is the way it is because the developer just wanted to include it
Literally everything in video games.
>>317685434
They make my pee pee tingle thats the only smart reason I need.
What's the smart reason for cat goombas?
>>317688363
There has been plenty of criticism towards games being wish fulfillment or power fantasies where everything in the game is fellating the player for how awesome they are.
>>317685434
Ive never seen the point of having half naked girls in a game unless it make sense. As in a strip club for example. I haven't played MGSV but from what Ive seen in trailers/reviews this is just stupid. Who the fuck goes to a game to look a women anyways? Porn and reality will always make this better.
>>317685434
Nobody should have to explain a half naked character. Of any gender. Fuck off
>>317688183
protest
>>317688393
I agree, the problem is dishonesty.
>>317688463
Enemy variety.
>>317688548
>Enemy variety.
That doesn't address its appearance, try again.
>>317685434
>nakedness
>explicitly sexual
this is what puritan yanks actually believe
I've been to mixed saunas with hot girls and everybody kept their cool. Of course we dudes commented later on them beauties, but we're not savages controlled by our base desires.
Fucking subhumans the lot of you
>>317688506
>Porn and reality will always make this better
You poor naive individual.
>>317688463
They're expressing their kawaii-neko-fandom. It's all there in the game, if you read between the lines.
>>317688442
Who cares about trash western games? Even if they would show everything it wouldn't arousing.
But yeah that's right.
>>317688314
but you're wrong.
I DECIDE WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT OKAY
NO ONE ELSE BUT ME
JUSTIFY IT TO ME
TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>317688152
>>317688314 this.
You're trying to blur the lines between fiction and reality by giving a real answer for a fictional situation.
It's like asking "why did Walter White start cooking meth?" and expecting the answer to be "because Vince Gilligan wanted to do a story about meth"
That's not why the character Walter White does that. That's not Walter's reason.
Vince Gilligan does not exist in the story of Breaking Bad, he is outside of it.
So when someone asks "why does Quiet dress like that?" the appropriate answer is the in-universe one, if such an answer exists.
And there is one.
>>317688442
Yeah.
Breasts. Maybe an ass. Big fuckin' deal.
Let me know when you can see a vagina on Steam.
>>317688442
>no female genitalia
>explicit
>>317688573
It looks different from normal Goombas to indicate that it behaves differently from them. It also fits with the aesthetic of the game.
>>317687578
>I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR STILL
>>317688638
The question he is answering is definitely "Why does Quiet dress the way she does" and not "Why did you decide to put a half naked girl in your game"
>Games
>Having a boner
pick one.
>>317688660
>So when someone asks "why does Quiet dress like that?" the appropriate answer is the in-universe one, if such an answer exists. And there is one.
No one's denying there's an in-universe reasoning for it, what people are criticizing is that the in-universe reasoning is incredibly hackneyed and convoluted.
>>317687423
In short pants, yeah, but not every mechanic is dressed in short shorts and short tops that expose their midriff and their tits.
>>317688719
And this is less acceptable than Kojima's explanation because you don't like it?
>>317688794
>what people are criticizing is that the in-universe reasoning is incredibly hackneyed and convoluted.
Once again proving SJWs don't play video games.
This is MGS, dipshit.
>>317688794
>the in-universe reasoning is incredibly hackneyed and convoluted.
Which means it fits perfectly with everything else in MGS.
>>317688812
It's less acceptable because Kojima's justification is nowhere near as reasonable as that, as one would expect of the biggest hack in video games next to David Cage.
>>317688638
I hope you're joking, and not actually believing that phony response.
>>317685434
>Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
And every time there is a good reason for them to be naked that choice is also made by the writers, because they are fucking fictional characters.
Jean Valjean never did something much better, fucking Victor hugo decided for him to do the thing.
Darth vader never decided to save his son and to dunk the emperor down the well for lassie to save, fucking george lucas decided that.
EVERY FUCKING FICTIONAL CHARACTER DOESN`T DECIDE SHIT, THEIR AUTHOIRS DO.
Whoevery wrote the "they don´t decide that" is a complete and utter RETARD of the highest caliber, not realizing that his comment negates every reasoning and character in every story every told and to be told.
The only divide there can be is: does the reason seem forced or not.
A person who autimatically reacts to any kind of skin with the "forced" option is a fool and should be disregarded henceforth.
>>317685434
>Thoughts on this, lads?
Men like to see attractive women, women like to see attractive men. You will have your Showgirls so long as you also have your Magic Mike's.
There's literally nothing sexist about showing an attractive woman, so long as it is not demeaning (BDSM shit).
Video game characters are completely fictional, and aren't even played by an actress to whom you could attribute any "idolization" of sexism.
The only people who have a problem with an attractive woman in the media are fat disgusting people, those who wasted their youth on a Liberal arts degree and are now looking for professional approval, or people with an unhealthy agenda.
>>317688794
Well the current social state of the industry seems to be making developers feel as though they need a "legitimate" answer, because clearly what they were doing before (whatever they wanted because fuck you that's why) wasn't satisfying angry feminists.
>>317688740
heres the full quote
>I know there’s people concerning about “Quiet” but don’t worry. I created her character as an antithesis to the women characters appeared in the past fighting game who are excessively exposed. “Quiet” who doesn’t have a word will be teased in the story as well. But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds.
hes directly defending the decision to put a barely clothed character in.
>>317688804
In a game where tons of other people are showing as much skin as they can, I don't see the issue.
>>317688612
>>317688660
>>317688672
They have full genitalia textured on them, meanwhile males are dickless.
Question still stands. How do you make a game for girls when male nudity is banned even in adult rated games?
>tfw 90s tier censorship has returned
>>317688859
>>317688887
Then you should be used to people shitting on Kojima's retarded ideas.
Vocal cord parasites are as dumb as nanomachines, everyone except retarded defensive fanboys agrees with this.
>>317685434
I have two reasons
>MUH DICK
and
>MUH DICK
>>317688891
>Kojima's justification is nowhere near as reasonable as that
Again, bitch, it's MGS.
Go play the games. Or back to tumblr.
>>317687854
>all of western culture was built on Venus de Milo
Check out this retard.
>>317688891
Mission 45 made it seem pretty reasonable.
Honestly, if any of the people complaining about Quiet's outfit played the game, they would be far more concerned with how she was stripped by a guy that was attempting to rape her instead of her outfit.
>>317688913
i dont believe it. i think kojima is full of shit and used a paper thin attempt to justify it. the other poster seems obsessed with splitting a hair between why the character dresses a certain way and why the creator has a character that dresses a certain way
>>317688986
Well, yes. But many people are solely shitting on Quiet because she's a woman as it's somehow different from all the other ridiculous bullshit Kojima writes.
>>317688983
>90's complaints
Fixed.
Going full Jack Thompson is going to be the downfall of these people.
>>317688891
He is a hack because he triggers you, Tumblr?
>>317688915
wow, you are fucking triggered huh
>>317688994
It funny you post this because The Pain didn't have an explanation for why he was the way he was until Kojima retroactively attempted to give him one.
It pretty much exemplifies what the article is criticizing.
>>317688949
So Kojima's reason was because he wanted to innovate the way exposed women are written.
Sounds good to me.
>>317689047
>i dont believe it.
>''HURR THIS TWEET THAT SUITS ME IS TRUE BUT THIS ONE ISN'T''
Leave.
>>317687854
But there's no real difference, you cretin. That sculpture is of the Goddess Aphrodite, who represented love and beauty. That statue was only made as an appreciation of, and to show off the female form, and it has received the exact same criticism that you are giving now. That sculpture was made for the single reason that a naked female was appealing and beautiful to the artist.
Please explain logically how that is any different without resorting to pretentious "high art" twaddle. At worst you could accuse Kojima of including it simply as a marketing ploy to attract more sales, but as an artist who creates highly stylised unrealistic characters I think it's far more reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt and consider it simply an aesthetic choice. He did it simply because he creates characters that look good.
>>317686796
>abuses and objectifies women
No that would imply say movie actresses.
If Quite was say some movie Actress and she needed to be naked in the movie because she breathes through her skin. Okay...
But these are VIRTUAL IMAGINARY CHARACTERS WITH NO INTELLIGENCE.
>>317688949
Games are art, right?
Give the artists freedom to do as they please.
>>317689153
>pretentious "high art" twaddle
That's what his post was though. Emotional nonsense.
>>317688959
>They have full genitalia textured on them
Is this actually shown? I haven't played the game.
Also, a dick and balls is going to be harder to model.
>How do you make a game for girls when male nudity is banned even in adult rated games?
Does a girl need to be shown a dick for this to work? I was always under the impression a rockin' bod did the job.
Anyway
If they want dicks there's always porn games
>>317689228
Statues, Painting and Video games are depictions.
They have no feeling, dignity or anything.
>>317685434
I want to mount that fucking slut so hard.
Also nice click bait article.
>>317685434
>games are art
you fat fucks are no different from these sjw's you hate so much. both of you are fat, sensitive that games don't pander to you and whiny. The only difference is that these sjws usually have a different form of social justice and have colored hair.
>>317689197
There's no need to justify naked characters, period.
>>317689127
>It pretty much exemplifies what the article is criticizing.
Nope.
The article is criticizing the naked women.
Not the bee guy. The women.
>we demand a reason for why you put something sexy in your product
>why are you giving us a reason, it makes no sense
SJWs are fucking retarded and should be shut out on every level.
>>317689046
Most of the criticism about Quiet isn't just about how she dresses though. Her role in the game and how she behaves and is treated all factor into it. Heck, the criticism really only has validity in my opinion because it goes beyond complaining about a female character wearing a sexy outfit.
>>317689269
>the only differences are the differences
You fucking what mate
>>317689283
It's criticizing shitty explanations where none were necessary, which is exactly what Kojima did both for Quiet, The Pain, and MGSV as a whole.
>naked women in film
>"wow, such art"
>naked women in TV shows
>"great, this TV show hides nothing, so realistic."
>naked women in magazines
>"she's so hot despite her age, wow"
>naked women in games
>"MUH PATRIARCHY MUH SEXISM MUH GENDER ROLASFDASFASFAFSFASDFAJFHFA"
>>317689151
i dont beleive the justification attempted in the tweet, but it still stands as clear evidence that kojima is trying to justify it that way
are you so fucking retarded you cant keep track of the conversation?
>>317689153
>people in the ancient world had naked statues in their palaces and temples because aesthetically they looked good
High art
>video games have semi naked characters in their games because aesthetically they look good
SEXISM AND RAPE CULTURE
>>317689214
who is throwing people in jail over this stuff?
Why do SJWs complain about half-naked female characters not being armored enough but never make fun of men who dress even less?
Does Conan look stupid for not being properly armored?
>>317689431
Do you really live in a bubble where no one criticizes sexualization in television, film, and print media?
>>317689470
No one is going to hold up MGSV hundreds of years from now as an example of high art.
3 years and SJWs keep complaining about the same shit.
I think at this point it's just devs don't give a fuck about them after realizing they are a vocal minority, and as such, not worth pandering to.
>>317689419
It's complaining about the females, my puritanical friend.
Back to church with you.
>>317689431
>nobody ever criticizes other mediums for their content
>>317689269
>gratuitous usage of fat in comment
You sound rotund.
>>317689614
It's Tuesday my illiterate friend, which means you should be in grade school learning how to read.
>>317689582
Who cares, the point is that these complaints are as retarded as the reasons to put naked women in games.
Want a naked woman in your game?
Put her, and ignore SJWs.
>>317689520
they think they'll get the pussy
>>317689582
They might if 99% of video games were lost or destroyed and TPP was discovered by archaeologists 3000 years from now, which is what happened to the Venus de Milo.
>>317689419
If there were no explanations they would complain anyway.
The solution is to outright ignore them.
SJWs can't do shit anyway.
>>317689451
It sounds like Kojima admits to wanting to add a highly exposed female, but also wanted to use her as an antithesis for other exposed females that are just thrown in without a reason.
>>317689520
The SJW reaction to this would be
>MUH MALE PHALLUS IMPOSED UPON ME
>MUH MALE POWER FANTASY
It doesn't really matter if Conan is wearing nothing because to them, Men WANT to be seen like this.
>>317689213
Those are joke depictions, not meant to erotically excite the player.
>>317689254
>dick and balls is going to be harder to model.
Breast physics are even harder to do but devs still do it.
>Does a girl need to be shown a dick for this to work?
Even clothed boners are banned.
>If they want dicks there's always porn games
So why men need tits and asses in normal games if there's always porn games?
>>317689582
I'm sure no one thought people in the future were going to give two shits about that statue, too.
>>317689846
>Breast physics are even harder to do but devs still do it.
Not really, A dick is physically much more complex than bobbing boobs.
>>317686771
Best post in the thread honestly
>>317685434
Ya, cover up you filthy sluts
>>317689846
Why do women need more inclusion if there are other media types for them to flock to?
>>317689846
>So why men need tits and asses in normal games if there's always porn games?
Because men can (and want to) enjoy eroticism without it having to be outright pornographic. How is that so hard to understand?
>>317685434
This industry has become an industry for degenerate consumers. It became exactly like the movie industry. Fucking Ameritards.
>>317688526
This, it is the developers game, the artists choice & PEGI/ESRB judgement.
Nothing else to it.
My personal opinion is that ridiculously exposed females/males simply make me cringe, having "eye candy" as one of the defining traits of a character is one helluva challenge for a writer, they need to really sell that one onto people who are not looking for sexual content in vidya. I dislike dysfuctional attire on characters, a warrior female wearing a bikini plate among all the other properly attired characters without any context is simply an indicator of poor game desing.
Imagine if Quiet would have been the daughter/granddaughter of The End.
Nobody would have ever had any questions about her being butt naked, while end only had his head exposed, they could have explained that due to Quiets younger age the moss is much more active and her body more capable of using it.
TL;DR Game developers are allowed to make any kind of characters they like, even at the expense of their games integrity & quality
>>317689846
>Why would you want to eat delicious snacks when you can buy two pounds of oatmeal and fill up on that?
>>317685434
>it's all so dudes can get boners
>lol no one at 343i has seen a vagina fucking nerds
>omg I'm so embarrassed for Kojima why is ridiculous shit in his ridiculous game?
>I like the female form but no one should ever be naked shits gross
>the fictional characters don't make their own fictional choices and that's wrong
Why do I get a "prudish 11 year old who still believes in cooties" vibe instead of the "tolerant purveyer of the arts" that he's trying to come off as?
If Quiet had an arm growing out of her head no one would care but since j00st had the audacity to lend her whole female form to a game the critics and the keks feel entitled to extend their agenda to MGSV. Only they can know the "true purpose" behind the use and "consumption of female bodies" which is so prevalent in video games today. Nudity has no value outside of pandering to rock hard cocks. Trust me dude, I'm a pro "critic".
>>317689846
>Breast physics are even harder to do but devs still do it
The only dev really putting any effort into breast physics is Team Ninja with their Soft Engine
Everyone else pretty much just does the bare minimum in the interest of realism, since breasts actually do bounce.
>Even clothed boners are banned.
You got some ratings boards guidelines to back this up?
>So why men need tits and asses in normal games if there's always porn games?
Because tits and asses are in the real world and are not ubiquitously sexual. The same shit happens in movies.
You think I was jacking off when that one girl rides you in FarCry 3?
Nah man. That wasn't meant to make me horny, it was a narrative event.
i'm confused
if you get a boner from a computer-generated image of a woman, is it still rape?
>>317685434
>Video games constantly showing males without clothes is annoying me, whenever female straight non transphobic hobophobic transgender modified willigirlsitus females play MGS2 they get extremely wet and start furiously fisting themselves over Raiden's naked ass. This is extremely sexist and when asking game creator Hideo Kojima why the character had to be naked, Hideo simply stated "I no spek engrish" This sexist pig is clearly avoiding the topic. Raiden never chose to be naked, he was forced to be naked, technically he was raped. And if i am playing as him i feel just as raped as he did. Hideo Raped me
>>317690372
>hobophobic
THE HOMELESS DESERVE RIGHTS TOO SHITLORD
Fairly certain that Joost was shown the character design before she started doing the mocap.
So really it was still her choice.
THIS JUST IN: MADE UP FICTIONAL CHARACTERS THAT DO NOT EXIST NEED RIGHTS AND FEMINISM
go fuck yourself
>>317690372
Raiden's nudity was "lol so randum xD"-scene, but Quiet was bellydancing in shower for extended time while surrounded by staring men and male gaze camera.
>>317685892
Quiet's nakedness makes just as much sense as cyborg ninjas and haunted ghost arms, which is fucking none. Expecting logical things in a Japanese game is nothing short of lunacy.
>>317690791
An optional scene you have to go out of your way to get is a lot more "lol so randum xD".
>>317690791
Which is even better.
>>317690791
>lol so randum
He was stripped and tortured. Please do not make light of this horrific situation.
>>317690693
It doesn't seem to sink in, not entirely sure there's a good way to make the point to the devs which I suppose are the other real issue.
I doubt any case would ever make it to court, but they're I guess being intimidated by people who don't even fucking buy their games?
Only way to get through to them is to say you will vote with your wallet and not buy their games with censorship, thing is you have to make it a noticable boycott or they'll just move on to the next project. They have to lose money with the investors such that corporate will tell them not to do that shit again.
I don't know if that's likely to happen though.
>>317690791
>male gaze camera
Way to marginalize and silence homosexual men and women, shitlord.
>>317690791
Tell me exactly where there's a problem with this.
>straight while players
fuck you nigga I suck dicks and quiet still gives me a huge boner.
>>317687578
This. This is the worst fucking part. They aren't just constructing a narrative, they're astroturfing over the real history of women in games, both as characters and creators. It's fucking despicable. Industry veterans are being told that apparently they're victims thanks to a male conspiracy, that they're weak, oppressed and need defending.
>>317690329
Not if she wants your massive, throbbing shaft of pure destruction. That's why i only play eroge. No bullshit, just pure japanese animated sister who yearn for my incestuous sticky fluid.
>>317685434
Journalists begin to put themselves as philistines, more at 11
>>317691067
>begin
>>317685434
What a faggot.
>>317686067
>If it bothers them so much, why aren't they complaining about like, Rap music?
Because rap music went through this exact thing in the nineties. Same thing with metal, rock and roll, etc...
People just need something to complain about.
>>317690791
I was almost sick when i saw how they were sexualizing this poor girl. I agree that Raiden's scene was hilarious just watching the poor sod run about completely naked it was so random more random than my memes at times. But i am 100% with you on agreeing quiet's scene was terrible, i felt raped and had to stop myself from calling the police. It sucks being us huh? I don't get how these virgins can still act like barbarians in this day and age.
>>317691217
>all of those now have far more of it than they had in the past
You think they would learn to stop calling attention to it. All it does is draw more people in that are interested in that material, and increase the demand.
>>317685434
Her ass is flat. Goddamned nips can't even spare a few pixels to pad her ass.
>>317688493
I have plenty of criticism for that criticism. Don't people have dreams anymore? Humanity needs to die fast.
>>317689621
>implying your average gamergate supporter and feminist/sjw isn't fat
>WAH WAH WAH I DONT LIKE THING AND I DONT LIKE IT WHEN THING IS EXPLAINED
What a bunch of fucking children. Why bother spouting this bullshit at all?
>>317691067
>journalists
>>317685434
>Blatant fan service
>Not shooting her in the fucking head
I wonder: Would there be the same kind of discussion about non-self-conscious sex robots?
>>317691424
She has to breath out of her ass, senpai.
>>317685795
It is also funny as a lot of the nude pictures critics wank over were just done cause "lol I'm gonna draw some hot goddess and I'm really fucking good at it"
>>317687597
>Women can't make games themselves because the censorship on male characters is so heavy.
Absolutely not. General rule of thumb is don't show genitals unless you want an ao rating. That goes for vulvas as well as a cock and balls. Granted, I'm not entirely sure about why tits are fine to show but whatever. Everyone just likes tits. Those are just the rules.
Sexualized males totally exist. The thing is that we as guys just typically place ourselves in that fantasy rather than screaming "sexism!". Why can't women just place themselves in that situation? I dunno but maybe they should look deeper into themselves before trying to get the entirety of a predominately male-dominated medium to bend to their whims just so they can go back to playing candy crush.
>yfw no one fucking cares
Time to play some V I D E O G A M E S
>>317692230
No no no see, according to some nutless faggots in this very thread, the issue isn't tits, but EXPLAINING tits.
So now not only do creators have to worry about how much skin constitutes rape, but they're also not allowed to give any kind of purpose to character design. Nothing in the lore is allowed to be reflected on how they look.
Kojima already managed to make EVA a pretty well justified character for being sexualized. While it's clear she wanted to bone Snake for the hell of it she also did it for the sake of her mission.
Which makes it all the more ridiculous that he dropped the ball so hard on Quiet.
Highly problematic.
>>317692301
>Why can't women just place themselves in that situation?
They do. Approach any female with a copy of soul caliber and you'll be surprised how often they'll gravitate toward Ivy. The problem if that the women who bitch about it are the women who hung around the nerd cliques long enough to be given positions where they can preach these dumbfuck opinions. They're not the average female.
They're the ugly rejects nobody but desperate nerds hung around
>>317685434
>You want naked women in your media? You're a disgusting sexist pig!
>What? You don't like my rape fetish bondage movies? Don't tell me what to do!
>>317692521
I thought I'm hetero until I see this picture.
How exactly do they want it policed?
A specialised feminist surveyor must go around to companies and check the game's privileged and if it gets a certificate to allow nudity?
>>317685434
why is a topic like this seriously discussed here? I thought this isn't neogaf or kotaku?
>>317692301
see
>>317688442
Steam has a double standard on nudity.
>>317685434
Holy fuck shut the fuck up. We all have a dick or a vagina. We live with this shit every fucking day. Its nothing special or wrong about it.
Just fucking be cool about it and stop your constant bitching about shit like nudity in vidya. Good god, people have to much time on their hands now of days.
And shut up about Cortana. Not everything in the world has to appeal to your preferences. Find stuff you like and leave what I like the fuck alone, I bet this bitch hasnt even played a single Halo game before.
>>317692521
Disgusting.
Male and Female nipples are actually extremely different. Male nipples don't change during puberty the way that female nipples do.
>>317685434
Is there a "smart reason" for naked men in video games?
>>317688859
I actually respect that quote. Context?
There's no denying that the thought process behind Quiet's design was "I want a half naked sexy character. Make her breathe through her skin. This also conveniently fits her role as a sniper." rather than "Let's make her breathe through her skin, that makes her a more effective sniper. Oh but then she has to be half naked at all times too."
That being said, the intent behind a character's visual design is fucking weak as far as sexism goes. If Quiet was also a completely incompetent clutz who fucked everything up all the time and needed a man to save her at every turn, that would be something to call out.
>>317691529
You sound like one of those agnostic fence sitters that come in and gloat how much better you are because you don't pick a side.
Well, you're epic.
>>317692892
So what you're saying is putting that nipple on a girl will send me to jail.
>>317692929
yes
>>317692892
>Male nipples don't change during puberty the way that female nipples do.
Some male nipples do leak milk in puberty.
>>317693038
pretty sure fat turboloser virgins are better than gamergate or social justice warriors
>>317685434
I hate you for posting this garbage here. Kill yourself.
>>317692929
To intimidate or disgust as seen in GTA V and Dante's Inferno. Depends on presentation but if I were a game designer, an erratic nude male would be a great way to scare the shit out of someone
I dunno how much longer I can handle reading about and hear people getting "outraged" over a fucking type of media.
Same goes for fags that are mad over Bethshitsda bugs.
>>317693046
No. It would be proper censorship as the male nipple is perfectly fine. It's just disgusting that you would want a male nipple on a woman.
>>317693071
They also leak shortly after child birth. The difference between the two is that the female nipple buds and then expands to become much larger than it was previously.
>>317692892
So that's probably why male nipples are better
>>317693079
Hey girls, the turboloser is saying he's better than other people.
Wow... gross
>>317692929
Donte being naked represents how he considers himself such an UGLY SACK OF SHIT to the point that even clothes could hide it, while the pizza slice that happens to cover the vision of his penis is a metaphorical FUCK YOI to the female audience
>>317693231
sex
>>317689254
>Also, a dick and balls is going to be harder to model.
Absolutely not. There's so much detail that a vagina has(as if you've been up close to one. Oooooooooooooh) All the folds and stuff. I'd say it's harder to model a detailed vag than cock and balls.
>>317693038
>IF UR NOT WITH US UR AGAINST US
>ULL GET URS ON THE DAY OF THE ROP U DIRTY FENCE SITTER
I like this trend. Fuck the censors.
>>317693384
If a game developer ever makes a game that would make the inner linings of the vagina relevant to model, I'll gladly buy it.
Whats wrong with wanting to see hot women?
>>317693435
calm down mouth foamer
>>317687604
because they care about how woman are presented in Vidya
>>317685434
Here's my take on the matter:
The guy who makes the shit decides the shit that goes into the shit he makes.
If he wanted a reason for a person in his shit to be naked and shit, who the shit is going to tell him otherwise?
He could just cancel his shit and you'd never get it.
Or he could very well put his shit entirely behind a press embargo if he damn well wanted to.
>>317693517
More like they're pissy because on top of not liking a character model, the model is being given a purpose. They wouldn't be happy either way so they resort to complaining about how creative an artist chooses to get.
>>317685434
This journalist a shit
>>317685434
>Next up we got Cortana in Halo 5. She’s an AI and she appears completely in the buff. Franchise director Frank O’Connor explained…She's not really nude … but that's what it makes you think of. So one of the reasons she [chooses to appear without clothes] is to attract and demand attention
Actually, they explained that years ago way before Halo 5.
In Halo 5 they made her look like a middle-aged mom, and gave her a body armor to satisfy SJWs, so she looks a lot worse in the game.
Now fuck off to tumblr.
Al your arguments are shit, as usual.
>>317693384
Dont make me laugh. Just 3d scan a wet rag and you're good to go.
>>317693625
This
The whole 'HURR STOP JUSTIFYING IT' is little more than a temper tantrum
>>317693464
I think the point these people are trying to make is that by catering to the male audience with sexy characters you're automatically alienating the female audience (other than objectifying women in general), and that should be unacceptable because IT'S 2000 AND 15 COME ON and women supposedly make up half of the gaming audience
Because of course if there's a bunch of women bitching online about virtual tits it obviously means all women hate those, no?
>>317687508
this, its not even porn
>>317693754
Thanks doc
>>317689153
Yeah, a sculpture that was built as a monument to a god that represented ideals is the same as a strip show with the intention to cock tease in a mass market product. You're a fucking idiot.
>>317689009
And so are you.
>creator puts a sexy woman in a game for no reason
>THERE'S NO REASON FOR THIS IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE WITH THE SETTING THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR IT THEREFORE IT SHOULDN'T EXIST
>creator puts a sexy woman in a game and gives a proper reason for it, justifies it in a way that completely makes sense
>YEAH WELL YOU ONLY CAME UP THAT JUSTIFICATION AFTER THE FACT SO IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE YOUR STORY POORLY-WRITTEN INTENTIONALLY BY NOT GIVING ANY JUSTIFICATION JUST SO WE CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ANYWAY
Why don't you admit that you just want to censor games?
What's with series jumping the shark?
> cortana becomes le epic evil villian
> Kerrigan becomes an angel and fights a literal God.
Why did Americans shit all over story telling? Everything needs to be super epic le twists and over 9000 power levels.
>>317693942
It actually is.
You should take a history class. You'd be surprised at the extra agent things civilizations have made in place of porn. There are entire books written about. Check out The Secret Museum
man, I real hate newspapers.
>>317685434
Nice bait faggot. I'm only biting to call you a kek.
>>317694004
>What's with series jumping the shark?
A combination of power creep and hack writers. Its a problem for all long running series really.
Every sequel has to have higher stakes to rake in more interest, so eventually you have retarded shit going on like in most of the games coming out now since they have been running for like nearly twenty years each.
>>317688930
>BDSM shit
but anon consensual BDSM is in no way degrading
>>317694004
Starcraft's story went to shit with WoL, anon
>>317685434
While I dont agree with his points, I do agree with the general idea of the article. I dont have a problem with titillation, but in videogames its usually just that. Games which try to hide behind anything else (pretty much just MGSV and Kojima's dumb ass) deserved to be called out. Does that mean you cant enjoy the game? No. Does that mean the dev/artist/apologist is a pathetic idiot for trying something so stupid? Yes.
>>317685857
>>317685892
>>317685948
>>317686150
>>317686260
>>317686348
>>317686467
>>317686468
>>317686872
>>317687047
> if he was honest about it it wouldn't be an issue
This sentiment is gets parrot a lot and I really really hate it.
Basically you're saying it's okay to have sexy if you don't offer a reason for in the story. Because that's intellectually dishonest apparently.
This is it just an attack on fan service but the concept of fiction itself. You might as well say should abandon all plot and characters because that just an 'excuse' for game play.
>>317685434
patricia pls
>>317694327
>I don't have a problem with titillation, except when I do
Why is having a story reason for the titillation worse than the titillation alone?
>>317694327
>I dont have a problem with titillation
Yes you do.
>Games which try to hide behind anything else
They're not hiding behind anything, they're justifying it because not doing so would be poor storytelling and you would complain about it anyway.
>called out
You're a SJW.
>implying anybody has even a half decent rebuttal to OP
yeah about as mature a discussion as you would expect on 4chin
When will tumblrites and redditors finally leave /v/?
This game has
>Venom killing hundreds of people
>Child soldiers
>The morality of super weapons
>Torture
>Ideas about using a disease/parasite to target a specific group of people
>Brain washing and mind control
And all anyone cares about is some bitch in a bikini? I hate our media.
>>317694608
>yeah about as mature a discussion as you would expect on 4chin
>Implying censorship is mature
Fuck off, let people have artistic freedom. We are all grown ups here.
>>317694628
And anon, how many of those do you see from a very light skimming of promo material without concentrating too hard?
>>317685434
>Tl;dr
There's no reason not to have naked women in video games either faggot.
>>317694692
Child soldiers and torture?
>>317689846
>So why men need tits and asses in normal games if there's always porn games?
Because the tits and ass are typically clothed? 90 percent of the time you never see any nipple or balloon knot. It's just form fitting.
>>317694692
None? They're all in the trailers.
>>317694692
All of them if the writer knows shit about Metal Gear.
Point is, the killing people part should be more important. Our culture is just so fucked we dont see it that way.
>if I ignore them they will go away XD
>It’s not a matter of censorship or anything like that. It’s more a question of whether or not we wanted to include some genuinely questionable and uncomfortable content when we had the ability to make it something more welcoming. When I’m presented with the choice of writing a character and story line that is pretty reprehensible without it being critical commentary on his actions, or reworking it to a more positive direction that isn’t going to make me and others squirm, I’m not exactly going to hesitate to go for the latter.
Remember guys, it's never censorship. Localization companies would never remove things like that just out of their personal feelings or politics. That's impossible.
So what are your guys' opinions on lesbians that enjoy this stuff? Seeing as how you keep going on about allowing straight men to enjoy it.
>>317694608
Let me rebut it:
>This year in gaming has had seen one of the most ridiculous trends
It's not a trend, it's how it has always worked.
>Next up we got Cortana in Halo 5.
This was explained several years ago, so it's not recent thing or a "trend". They completely changed Cortana's design in this game so this criticism doesn't make any sense here anyway.
>It’s important to remember that video game characters do not themselves make choices.
Nothing and no one in any game or product/art makes any choice. It's all created by someone.
>I like the female form as much as the next guy.
This is the SJW's version of "I'm not a racist, but...".
>The 2nd thing; stop lying to the audience.
No one is lying to anyone. They're giving a proper justification for something, which is good and makes more sense than not doing it. If someone puts a tank in a game, they'll come up with a proper setting and justification for it. When they put naked Raiden in MGS2, they gave a proper justification for it. When you put anything in media, there's usually a justification for it to explain why it's there in the first place. There's no issue.
>>317687102
No, fuck off cunt.
>>317694493
>>317694327
>>317694534
Its like you guys cant fucking read. I really dont care if someone puts naked chicks or whatever in a video game. However, when people try to sneak one thing through as another, like Quiet as a complex character with a good reason to be half naked and shoving her tits in things, thats just laughable. Not that Im saying the game shouldnt have a reason, but Kojima's whole "words and deeds" spiel was a crock and it deserves to be recognized as such, if only because it separates wheat from chaff.
Im not saying the game should have been made differently.
Im not saying the game should be censored.
This isnt really about the game, its about the dev, and the way he tried to make it seem like the material was somehow elevated above just sexy stuff for its own sake when it wasnt.
Its like if someone were to sell you a large SUV and tell you that its MORE than an SUV, it justifies its gas mileage by doubling as an APC! Only it doesnt really, and nobody cares because some people just need an SUV. It doesnt make the claim that its an APC any less of a lie, and any less worthy of ridicule.
>>317694774
>>317694837
We're talking a VERY light skim here.
>>317694895
>All of them if the writer knows shit about Metal Gear.
Exactly.
>Point is, the killing people part should be more important. Our culture is just so fucked we dont see it that way.
Death in media is completely trivial. Death that happens to bad guys and death that happens to actual characters are treated as if they're almost entirely different concepts. One is a reward for the player or viewer, the other is an attempt to tie into the real-world phenomena.
>>317688363
> but its not okay to make fictional attractive women for the same reason?
It's wrong for men to be attracted to women. Sexuality IS sexism.
>>317685582
or maybe you take video games too seriously
>>317695007
There is nothing wrong with justifying why a character should be half naked. Why is that wrong?
>>317695026
>We're talking a VERY light skim here.
I don't even play MGS. That was what I noticed in the trailers. Child soldiers, water boarding, and apparently conscious surgery
>>317695170
Its only wrong when its bullshit.
>>317695007
Sure you do.
You're just projecting shame on the developer since attacking the game has been a fruitless effort
>>317695007
>Its like you guys cant fucking read. I really dont care if someone puts naked chicks or whatever in a video game.
Yes you do, or you wouldn't say people have to be "called out", or that anyone explaining the choice is a "pathetic" "apologist". If you didn't care, you wouldn't say that in the first place.
>like Quiet as a complex character with a good reason to be half naked and shoving her tits in things
They never did, they just gave a reason for it.
>but Kojima's whole "words and deeds" spiel was a crock
The only reason he did that is because he was being blasted by Twitter feminists and media outlets. He had to make a statement to stop the flames.
>>317695253
When do you get to decide what is and isn't necessary from the creators viewpoint?
>>317695170
To be clear. Nothing is wrong with it. What's wrong is when you act like a character who's just there to be tits and ass is something more.
>>317695253
Yeah. Do kindly give examples.
>>317685434
White people.
As long as people have the right to make silly looking women in vidya, other people will also have the right to say the silly women are shit.
All is well as far as I can tell.
Personally I tend to dislike silly female character designs because I feel that pandering to sex appeal is patronizing, but then again I'm a huge loser.
>>317695282
>>317695349
>words and deeds
>>317695317
As a consumer, whenever you want....
>>317695328
You're the only one labeling a character as eye candy when the creator clearly meant for there to be something more. The problem is very clearly with you
>>317685795
>>317686143
It doesn't matter because ART IS A BUZZWORD.
>>317695393
>Words and deeds
What is wrong with that? He thought it was cool. You didn't
>>317695410
Wow, /v/ really is full of shitposters today. Name one thing quiet does in the game which outweighs the hours she spends literally "presenting" to you in the helicopter
>>317685434
Snickering at developers because they come up with these reasons to justify their naked women, doesn't make you more reasonable or high-minded than them.
Because the fact that they feel the need to make up these reasons, is only a symptom of the real issue that should be addressed: The condemnation and shame and fear devs face when merely including a naked female form in their video games. They wouldn't have to make up such ridiculous excuses, if a bunch of pretentious shitheads weren't ready to wag their finger at them. This article included.
But regardless, there are no smart reasons for ANYTHING in video games. Every aspect of a video games, is completely contrive for entertainment purposes. However, we give dumb excuses to every other aspect of video games. WHY NOT give dumb reasons to explain nudity as well? It's more fun that way.
>>317695393
As a consumer, I can respect a developer that makes their own decisions and me trying to police it would be hilariously dumb.
I have the right to choose what I buy. They have a right to make what they want. I'm over it. Are you?
>>317695446
He thought it elevated the character, and it didnt. Thats the whole point of my argument. You can have tits and ass, but when you act like it somehow adds depth to the game, you have to assess that claim independent of whether you like tits and ass. Its like the movie Suckerpunch being sold as feminist.
>>317685434
This dude sent a picture of his daughter to an admitted pedophile to cheer them up.
>>317695454
She's a boss fight. From a gameplay perspective we're in the clear.
>b-b-but not good enough
Just skip to the part where you want to censor games so you can get torn a new verbal asshole again
>>317694528
I agree with the point the writer made here.
>>317695253
But as people have pointed out ITT, marble statues from ancient Greece are usually considered fine art by these complainers, even though the sole purpose of these semi naked figures was as decoration usually in the homes of rich or privileged men. You can't excuse one and not the other.
>"Nude girls are misogynist!!!"
>What about lesbians that love nude gir-
>THATS OKAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GIRLS
>ITS OKAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GIRLS
lmfao shake my head to be honest f.am
>>317694528
>that sexy goddess
>loli
>>317695519
You're not even making sense. Your problem is very clearly with her design and the fact that there was a reason behind it, but you keep circling back around to , "HURR STOP EXPLAINING" which...I guess your problem is with games having lore when all is said and done?
>>317695489
Its not policing it, its critisism. Just because I think something's dumb or substandard doesnt mean Im pushing for regulation against it.
I hate dynasty warriors games, they make my physically ill, but it doesnt mean I want them to stop coming out. People on /v/ seem to assume just because they wont suffer something they dont like that all people operate that way.
>>317695560
This is for you too, even though you've been jamming the word censorship down my throat so hard Im pretty sure you're shitposting.
>>317695584
Thats a matter of technique though, they're given a pass because they demonstrate a high degree of precision, its like tasteful nude photography. Where you draw the line is subjective, but you'll have a hard time arguing that Quiet running around naked was intended as nothing more than an artistic statement.
>Character X doesn't choose to wear thing Y since it was forced on them
This shit won't make any sense, ever.
>>317685434
>Thoughts on this, lads?
Are you a bot, mate? Even if you've dropped the direct link to the article this shit is the same.
>>317695258
Off yourself weeb
>>317695484
>condemnation and shame
That's called social progress, friend.
Refer to >>317695040
>>317695685
But you're not criticizing anything. You're just calling the developer a dick because you don't like them injecting lore where you feel it's not needed - even though it's not your property to define.
>>317685795
The funny thing is, is that even in that sophisticated ancient art, some of the nudity was for for the same reason kids draw dicks on tables now. Sometimes it was really just a crude joke or some horny dude showing off his perverted mind, but they happened to have been extremely skilled artists. It's a humbling trait for humans.
We've been doing it since we could draw and there isn't anything wrong with it. Humans drawing something naked is the most normal thing there is, we weren't born with clothes on.
>>317695685
>I hate dynasty warriors games, they make my physically ill,
How so?
I see people crying about them so much but most of the time it boils down to either "I just don't like them" or people telling them that they suck.
>>317695683
now THIS is shitposting.
>>317687597
That's fucking retarded
>>317695519
And? People can't make bad characters? Every character has to be 10/10 perfect characters?
>>317694410
Except now its the other way around anon.
Gameplay is the excuse for the plot.
Are Quiet fans pedophiles? Journalists say YES!
>>317685434
Never forget.
>>317695781
Im not saying that I dont want an explanation for her being nude. Im saying that the explanation doesnt elevate the character like kojima claimed it would. Its an excuse, but not much more than that.
>>317695797
I honestly dont know what it is, but playing them or even watching them be played actually makes me motion-sick. Not sure what thats about, honestly.
>>317695864
No, but just like you just did, I reserve the right to assign a criticism, in this case something other than 10/10 to the writing of the character.
Its no wonder /v/ is a bunch of friendless losers, you guys cant deconstruct things you enjoy to save your life.
>>317694410
In the end tho, no matter if there is a reason or not, that reason was made up just for the sake of having someone dressed sexy
What kind of hypocrite double moral standard point of view do you have?
There's no smart reason to like anal sex, in a sexually educated society where contraceptives and abortions are very easy to utilize. But hey, some people like it in the ass. Just like some people like naked women. And naked men.
Buy something else and move on with your life.
>>317687172
The creators want to create what they want to create. How is that a weak excuse?
You know what I don't understand? The God of War games had actual nudity in them, you could even have sex in it, but somehow no one complained vocally about that.
You now understand how immature the games industry is when a non issue like human attraction to the opposite gender is being heatedly discussed every single fucking week.
If every consumerist entertainment was as boring and unerotic as neo feminists want, the western world's birthrates would be even lower than they are.
It has nothing to do with respect mind you. It's basic human instincts.
>>317695978
>calls others friendless losers
>while being offended by a bit of skin
jej
>>317696074
Back then
>>317695978
>but playing them or even watching them be played actually makes me motion-sick
Then that's just motion sickness.
I get motion sickness from Dead Island and Stalker
>>317696074
Actually that was one of the first games to be censored by the hurt feelings brigade. Google 'Bros Before Foes'
>>317693046
Putting a male anything on a female anything nowadays constitutes rape or sexual harassment.
So yes.
>>317693767
Spotted the virgin?
>>317694528
Pffffffftwahahaha I don't even watch hentai anymore but this is absolutely ridiculous. Not only are you getting ass-blasted over another country's laws but you're judging them for allowing a HEALTHY form of release for a really fucked up fetish. It's literally NOT. If anything, they're just jerking it to splotches of ink, it's just that the fantasy is there. You can't do anything about people having the fantasy, the most you can do is give them a healthy manner to release it because just trying to PRETEND IT DOESN'T EXIST ONLY MAKES THINGS WORSE.
please. Context
>>317696084
its like you really cant read, go back to school anon.
>>317696129
See other games dont do it to me, just Dynasty Warriors. All of them. I think its something about the monotony of the gameplay or something. Either way they're not for me, on a medical level.
>>317695007
/v/ metaphors are like an aardvark getting a law degree while snowboarding through a funeral
how come theres no people of color in the witcher land
>>317695978
>No, but just like you just did, I reserve the right to assign a criticism,
Except you are not criticizing him but rather accusing him of making excuses.
>>317696074
If I remember correctly some versions of GoW did get censored regarding the sex scenes.
>Studies have found, for example, that after having viewed sexually objectified female bodies, men in particular tend to view women as less intelligent, less competent and disturbingly express less concern for their physical well being or safety.
>Furthermore this perception is not limited only to sexualized women; in what’s called the “Spill Over Effect”, these sexist attitudes carry over to perceptions of all women, as a group, regardless of their attire, activities or professions.
>In other words, viewing media that frames women as objects or sexual playthings, profoundly impacts how real life women are perceived and treated in the world around us.
- Anita Sarkeesian
>>317695685
>Its not policing it, its critisism
It is criticism with the intent of policing. There's a reason why there's so much focus on it rather than other elements in games. Think about it, you're not even criticizing how her character is written, or anything else about the game, or the story in great detail, or her voice-acting. Just what one character wears in a game. There's a difference between moral policing which is what this is for the most part, and saying you think a game is shit or has a bad framerate.
Saying it's just "criticism" is really trying to avoid the issue of what the end result of that "criticism" is.
>hard time arguing that Quiet running around naked was intended as nothing more than an artistic statement.
What was the artistic statement behind all those marble statues?
>>317696226
How is that not a criticism?
>>317696208
Given your puritanical views on character design, I'm pretty sure you're the one who could benefit from a better education
>>317685434
>It’s important to remember that video game characters do not themselves make choices. Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
What kind of drugs is this guy on
>>317696246
>Studies have found
>Studies say
This is my favorite meme.
>>317696246
Makes sense, /v/ spends all their time jacking off to waifus and then give people that >women in combat roles crap
>>317693705
yeah,i agree. My point is that they shouldnt care at all. No one should.
>>317696074
You mean how they changed a title of an achievement because God fucking forbid you kill one female good violently alongside all the male ones? It was so triggering Sesslar went back to the crack pipe.
>>317695978
what profit is there in deconstructing something like a videogame story?
>>317688950
>t-they dress like that normally
>if you'd j-just go outside you'd know
>m-m-maybe they d-don't exactly dress like that but
>s-s-sure it's not appropriate dresscode but everyone else is dressed half naked so..
>>317693079
-t fat turboloser virgin who hasn't taken sides
>MSG franchise
a chinese restaurant chain?
>>317695958
If you like huge tits, you're a pedophile!
>>317696396
Soooo... Everybody should wear current fashions?
>>317696258
>>317696280
Im not even criticizing what she's wearing though. Ive said that repeatedly while you guys bend over backwards to make it into censorship. I really dont care that she's there to be tits and ass, its just absurd that she's anything else.
As for the marble, it was originally an expression of wealth for the owner and of perfected art for the artist. Try comparing The Rape of Persephone to anything in video games, ever.
>>317696390
To better understand its merits so that it can be compared to others, or provide insight about what elements of it work and do not work. Its the point of all deconstruction.
>>317696345
That implies that Quiet is dressed the way she is for any reason other than being eye candy. Reminder: its not that Im offended by the way she's dressed, just that he's pretending its for any other reason than it is.
>>317688442
GTA4 L&D and GTA5 have uncircumcised penises, outlast too
theres quite a few games on steam with big floppy penises
>>317695040
Jesus Christ, please help us all.
>>317686348
So no developer can include a sexy naked female in their "plot" because that was his actual artistic vision?
The assumption you're making would make it impossible for any developer to avoid that accusation, no matter his intentions. So that's bullshit. I's you who chooses to see it as sexual if it isn't presented that way, you are the one who is incapable of not sexualizing the character in your mind if she is by any means attractive. You have to accept that it is either a mental weakness in you or a natural response to seeing an attractive female (assuming you're a hetero) and move on past that, instead of getting mad at the developer for giving you a stiffy.
>>317696557
Satan's dong in Dante's Inferno is pretty good.
>>317695964
This world needs purging.
>>317696542
>That implies that Quiet is dressed the way she is for any reason other than being eye candy
>that he's pretending its for any other reason than it is.
Are you Kojima? How do you know that is the reason? You can't make a cool character for the sake of making cool character? Maybe Kojima thought it was cool to have a half naked chick with superhuman abilities that breathe through her skin.
Judge him based on the character he makes, you can say Quiet is bad character all you want but saying Kojima made her dress that way for the sake of being eye candy is stupid as fuck. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. You sure as hell aren't in an position to decide.
>>317690372
>tfw not very many video games where you can run around as a shirtless buff dude and punch everything
>>317685804
I'm pretty sure it's just a hard-light hologram. She only really exists in the Domain.
>>317696542
Dude you're not fooling anyone. Saying "it's not about censorship" and "I'm not offended" repeatedly won't change anyone's perception of you.
>it was originally an expression of wealth for the owner
How is that a valid expression? How does that justify the content material?
>perfected art for the artist
As it is for artists in other forms in media.
>That implies that Quiet is dressed the way she is for any reason other than being eye candy.
You will say that about virtually any character in games, because no matter how elaborate or sensible the reason is, you will dismiss it.
>>317688991
So you have two dicks?
>>317685434
>I’m starting to wonder if anyone at 343 Industries has ever actually seen a vulva.
virgin shaming? In current year? I mean come on.
>>317696542
>its not that Im offended by the way she's dressed, just that he's pretending its for any other reason than it is.
Literal autism.
>>317695685
>Where you draw the line is subjective, but you'll have a hard time arguing that Quiet running around naked was intended as nothing more than an artistic statement.
Quiet was never fully naked, nor was there anything explicitly pornographic. Just a scene of her dancing around and a shot of her arse that didn't really demonstrate any more titillation, suggestion or artistic statement than that of a marble statue with bare breasts exposed and a light robe clinging just inches above the pussy.
What you might consider fine art today was 3000 years ago commissioned primarily so that high class men could have statues of naked ladies in their palaces to show off. Women were literally reduced to objects of beauty and decoration, a statue that doesn't move or do anything other than exist to be looked at for its aesthetic appeal. This is ignored now only because there is historical significance and physical record from a culture lost in the past and the romanticism that goes along with that. At least Quiet was allowed some independence, character and strength as a ruthless assassin.
>>317696684
how could I forget, i played the game on hard so I had the pleasure of looking at it for hours
>mfw I'm already fluent enough in Japanese to play imports so I don't need to worry about any form of censorship
Enjoy your new era of politically correct gaming and keep pretending that slippery slope is a fallacy.
>>317696726
>sjws will defend a self-admitted pedophile to death just because she's anti-goobergate
it doesnt need purging
i enjoy this shitstorm
>>317696769
>You can't make a cool character for the sake of making cool character?
You can. 100%. But thats not what he said he was doing. He claimed that there was some deeper shit that would "make [those who criticized the design choice] ashamed of their words and deeds".
>Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. You sure as hell aren't in an position to decide.
I believe he did, because she provided nothing else for me in the game. Again. Wouldnt be a problem if she wasnt sold as something more.
>>317696808
Its not about her having a reason or not having a reason. Its not about the reason being good. Its about pretending a nugget of eye candy is anything but that.
For example: I have no problem with Senran Kagura because it has no pretention whatsoever to be anything other than what it is.
>>317696886
Whats your point? You're still operating on the assumption I dont think that hot semi-nude women should be in videogames.
>>317685434
Meanwhile, in this very same year:
>Dungeon Travelers 2 has lewd images cut from it
>TOM, a translator from XSeed, gets banned from Neogaf, a very popular and somewhat influential video game forum, for saying that attacking people who enjoy perverted materials in their home is similar in its ridiculousness to racism and sexism
>Yohjo Simulator gets removed from Steam because people are offended by it
>Xenoblade Chronicles X has a boob slider and some skimpy outfits removed, along with some religious connotation and references to previous video games in the Xeno series removed
>Blade and Soul localization team significantly edited quests to remove problematic content and added memes to it for comedic effect
>Dead or Alive X3 devs admit they aren't bringing the game to the West because the industry in the West has problems with the representation of women in video games
>>317685697
she looks like meg from family guy
>>317697050
Oh, and
>Bravely Second has an Indian costume replaced with a cowboy costume out of fear of cultural appropriation
>>317697036
>But thats not what he said he was doing. He claimed that there was some deeper shit that would "make [those who criticized the design choice] ashamed of their words and deeds".
And he thought it was deeper shit. Again, who are you to say what his intentions were? Are you Kojima? You seem to be skirting around that question for the last few post.
You can criticize his character.
Don't criticize his intention when you sure as hell don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
>she provided nothing else for me in the game
Again. It is you.
I thought a quiet exit was a good mission. I liked Quiet being my buddy. I liked her cutscenes. I liked her boss battle. Nothing? Maybe if you didn't play the game.
>>317697036
I think I see what your problem is now.
You're actually extremely entitled and should probably get over the fact that not everything will be made specifically to appease you
The whole Cortana thing has been since 2001, She looks like a woman because she is practically a clone
They just now complain about it?
>>317697138
Shouldn't sweeping the image of a native American attire under the rug and pretending they never existed actually be more offensive?
Especially when replaced by a cowboy outfit to double the irony.
>>317697036
>I believe he did
You believe wrong. This is the same guy who made Raiden run around naked because he could. You aren't Kojima. Don't fucking pretend you are on an anonymous message board.
>>317697036
>He claimed that there was some deeper shit that would "make [those who criticized the design choice] ashamed of their words and deeds".
It was already explained that he did because of the pointless shistorm when the character was revealed in the first place. Why do you care so much about a tweet?
>Again. Wouldnt be a problem if she wasnt sold as something more.
See above. It was never sold as anything.
>Its not about her having a reason or not having a reason. Its not about the reason being good.
But you will say any reason is not good. The reason actually makes perfect sense in the setting, and all the goofy shit in the MGS series.
Did you complain when naked Raiden was in MGS2? That there wasn't any valid reason to have him running around naked, despite the fact that they did come up with a proper justification to explain it? I could criticize that justification as not "being good" too, but I don't care.
>I have no problem with Senran Kagura
Of course you don't, you want niche games like DoA and Senran Kagura to be marginalized as long as they stay in their corner while you sanitize everything else. Somehow you're fine with how those games justify their content, despite their reason for it not "being good" either.
Please yourself back to tumblr.
>>317685697
>Cortana
>In Halo 5
Should we tell him?
>>317697236
>>317697317
And what's wrong with me giving my personal perception as a criticism? You all seem perfectly willing to ascribe beliefs to me that I'll tell you right to your face are wrong.
Neither of you are Kojima either, what makes you think you know any better than me?
>>317697262
Fuck off. You really should try harder if you're going to try to piss someone off on /v/.
>>317697413
This is a fucking layercake of baseless assumptions. You win.
>>317697453
You are criticizing Kojima on something you aren't even certain he did. Don't go full retard anon.
>>317686143
It's a hobby that everyone besides people with no hands have an equal playing field
Whoever started the "EETS AERT" is fucking retarded
>>317697453
No I'm being serious. You really do sound like an entitled autist because a developers views don't mesh with yours. Because you don't feel like they have a right to their own creations.
>>317697312
Precisely what I thought.
>edit game out of fear of being offensive
>unintentionally make it more offensive
>>317697453
>Neither of you are Kojima either, what makes you think you know any better than me?
We don't. That is why we judge Quiet at face value. We don't say she made to be naked with stupid excuses for the sake of being eye candy. You can call Kojima's design choice stupid for all you want, saying he did it for the sake of being eye candy? Who the fuck are you to decide such a thing?
>>317697036
My point is that one form of art being more respected than another is more about snobbery or prejudice than it is sensible or logical critique which like in this case gives rise to blatant hypocrisy.
>>317697568
Its not about views, jesus fuck its like you guys cant even read. Im not even saying that the game should have been made differently. Its all about criticism of authorial intent.
>>317697521
>>317697615
Im certain of what he did, what we're talking about here is authorial intent. I am making assumptions about authorial intent based on (ironically) Kojima's words and deeds.
>>317697687
Where have I said, in this entire exchange, that I think less of games for having oversexualized women in them? Where?
>>317697715
>I am certain
>I am making assumptions
Man you are really fucking stupid
>>317697417
Cortana IS in halo 5
>>317697715
>Im certain of what he did, what we're talking about here is authorial intent.
*tips tinfoil*
>>317689846
IS EVERYONE FORGETTING DANTE'S INFERNO?!?!
>>317697818
There's a period in there separating two ideas.
LEARN TO READ
EARN TO READ
ARN TO READ
RN TO READ
N TO READ
TO READ
TO READ
O READ
READ
READ
EAD
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>>317697936
>I am certain based on X
>X is based on assumptions I made
Yeah. You dumb as fuck nigger.
>>317686765
>whatever Australia uses
Bribes
>>317697936
>EAD
what did he mean by this?
>>317697872
muh authorial intent
>>317697050
75% of censorship cases this year involves Nintendo. So if you want to continue sucking off Reggie because le funny memes, get ready to put up with more of it. It won't get better until he leaves
And DT2 didn't cut anything. They changed semi-nude lolis in fetish wear and suggestive poses to more covered lolis in fetish wear and suggestive poses
>>317697872
Only AAA game with dick physics.
>>317698037
What he did and what he intended to do are two separate things. We can see what he did. Having played the game, it is not based on assumption. Idiot.
>>317698068
>EA
You've uncovered my secret!
>>317697829
Look at what is behind "her"
It's playing mind games with Chief, and it played you too anon
>>317698190
What "it" ?
Redpill me anon!
>>317696215
completely out of place and inappropriate, but also slightly amusing?
>>317698187
>Having played the game, it is not based on assumption.
Okay. Give me the part where the game states his intention. Protip: Don't assume or imply anything. Go ahead.
>>317695040
AND THIS IS TO GO.... EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
>>317698265
http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Domain&m=&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
>>317698348
Go back and read my post. Come back and tell me what I know and what Im assuming. Go. Seriously. I cant even chalk this up to shitposting. You may have a condition.
>>317698426
Sounds like you can't come up with a source
>>317698426
>Says I have a condition
>While pretending he can read Kojima's mind and his intention when he was designing Quiet
>>317698426
You don't know anything. That is the point.
VIDEO GAMES
are for fags
>>317697782
I'm not aware that you have. I was picking up a point you made that the justification for Quiet's design was bullshit. I'm saying that there is no real justification for other forms of art that are considered acceptable. To me this doesn't make sense and highlights how all art is a clusterfuck of bullshit and snobbery in the first place. If people criticise Quiet as being sexist and treating women like objects, then what the fuck is a literal statue of a naked woman designed to decorate an ancient palace?
>>317698665
muh a-a-authorial intent ;-;
>>317698665
>>317698583
>>317698560
Whatever, fine, you all win. Never critique or question anything. Anyone trying to do so is an SJW censor here to take away your guns or whatever. Ive got a flight to catch. Happy Thanksgiving.
>>317698931
You are free to critique Quiet as a character. You however aren't free to critique Kojima's intentions when designing Quiet because you are not sure of them yourself.
>>317698931
thanksgiving was last month, but happy belated thanksgiving anyway
>>317697050
>Dead or Alive X3 devs admit they aren't bringing the game to the West because the industry in the West has problems with the representation of women in video games
>not taking anything team ninja says with a grain of salt
These are the same people who threatened PC modders not to make nude mods for their titty fighting game. If TK sees demand, they will bring the game over. And the only "adjustment" will be ages
>>317699031
deconstruction of authorial intent is an important form of critique, but whatever.
>>317698931
Don't be a dramatic cunt just because you got 'called out'
>>317699114
That wasn't even part of your argument until you were backed in to a corner
>>317699114
>deconstruction of authorial intent
Except you are not deconstructing or arguing his intent but straight up assuming that is what he did. Nice try tho.
>>317699190
It was the argument from the beginning...
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