>Straight up admit I work for Brotherhood of Steel
>He still appoints me leader of the institute for no reason
>Acts surprised when I betray them
Is Father the biggest retard in Fallout history?
>>317537275
no you are for playing FO4
>>317537626
/thread
>>317537275
Nah, just lazy writing. Game is fun but they should have hired a few people from Obsidian to do the writing and story stuff.
>>317537626
I've had a lot of fun anon, what have you been doing?
>>317537678
Chris Avellone was the only competent writer that company had, and he's freelance now.
Not playing this shit. Waiting for the Obsidian game.
>Half-decent shooting
>Weapon customization
>Power armor customization
>base building
>NOW FEATURING DECENT WRITING AND WORLD BUILDING
>Engine will still be shit but oh well
>>317537275
>tell Desdemona and Maxson about the shit going down at Bunker Hill
>kill their people off
>due to some form of severe shared mental disability, both still trust me implicitly
>both confused when I burn each of them out
But the C4 was fun, man. God damn Maxson, you god damned mouthbreather.
>>317537275
>there was no option to execute Maxson and take over the BoS for yourself
disappoint
>>317538497
He didnt even do vanilla New Vegas.
>>317539771
>waiting for nothing
waste your time on something else anon
>>317540143
He's the heir of the Brotherhood's founder and seen by some as their god-given saviour. Why would they follow some frozen caveman who killed him?
My entire time of working with the Brotherhood in their last mission, I was wondering.
Why the fuck are they nuking the Institute reactor? Wouldn't they want to capture the research and use it for their own use?
Imagine the fucking bounds and leaps the Institute made in medical and electronics technology. The Brotherhood could of became a new wasteland hyperpower.
>>317540229
It shows
>>317540143
> Killing a direct descendant of Roger Maxson
You would be hunted by BoS until the world turns green again and guns are banned.
>>317537275
Beth writers are for making quite possibly the shittiest main story in a Fallout game to date.
>Parent, your mission is to return a synth to the Institute safel-
>O-oh, it was destroyed? Don't worry about it.
>Parent, your mission is to retrieve the synths at Bunker Hill. Fortunately for us, we have the element of surprise, so the Railroad won't see us c-
>The Brotherhood of Steel learned of our attack and destroyed all the synths, you say? How disappointing.
>Parent, for your great contributions to the Institute the past 2 days I've known you, despite your constant and public hatred of me and the Institute I have decided to choose you as my replacement. There is one small issue however, not everyone is happy about my decision, so-
>You let them be torn apart by synth gorillas? And afterwards you killed the gorillas, too? Well, I'm sure negotiation wasn't an option.
>
>...YOU'RE BETRAYING US?!
>no "rebuild the enclave" storyline
this game sucks
>>317540627
the writing in vanilla was still very good.
>>317541104
Until you got to Benny.
Then it just fell apart. Seriosly, it's like there was a wall between a well written game and a poorly written game, and that wall was Benny.
Why is there Eyebots about when there is no Enclave presence? Are they prewar?
Enclave DLC when
>>317541427
They're prewar. appear in various military and scientific facilities in fallout and fallout 2.
>>317539771
At this point Arkane has a bigger chance of doing FO4.5 than Obsidian.
>>317539771
>>317542708
can I ask why people think Obsidian are going to make another fallout game?
new vegas wasn't that great and it really underperformed
bethesda could get a different/more competent studio to make a fallout game and it might not be complete dogshit
>>317542870
The only things about NV that were complete dogshit were the things Bethesda stuck them with, like the gamebryo engine.
As far as the writing, characters, factions, worldbuilding, and actual fucking role playing elements are concerned, it's the only game in the series that's even close to being a worthy successor to FO1 and 2.
>>317540923
Stop shitposting. In all those cases you're lying and manipulating him.
I don't know what happens if you say you told BoS about it, but if you free the synths and tell your father about it, you get banished from the Institute.
>>317542870
It breaks down like this. F3 was Bethesdas own interpretation of the Fallout universe. And whilst it isn't necessarily wrong, the timeline it was on was fucked so it didn't feel like a proper Fallout.
New Vegas however actually does since it is post post-apocalypse. And managed to improve mechanically upon F3 whilst sticking to the setting.
Hence people who liked the original Fallout games (1 & 2), want Obsidian to make another one since they know what they are doing.
People who like F3 and F4 don't want them to because they don't understand the setting.
Neither is wrong, they are two different things. And that was one of my major gripes with Beth Fallouts. If they were set like 50 years after the bombs when the radiation should finally be dissipating, it works and is fine. Scavenge away in your garbage heaps.
But when it is like 200 years after the bombs, there should be some proper civilization, even if the whole country hasn't been reclaimed yet.
>become Bos Knight after 1 quest
>become BoS Paladin after 2 more quests, a rank that took Danse many years to obtain
This game is seriously catastrophically lacking in the narrative dept. They should hire some CDPR writers desu.
>Cait is 2qt
>she doesn't like the fucking railroad or the minutemen
>only other waifu options are manfaced retard Piper and a fucking robot
shit game
>>317537275
Bethesda are so lazy they can't even model an oldanswer face, they just slap wrinkle textures onto a regular model. Old people bone structure changes over the decades. He just looks like a young guy with white hair
>>317540578
Speaking of which, are the remains of the area around the Institute after you blow it to hell still able to be explored or does it become a radioactive shithole?
>>317537275
>for no reason
You're his father, that's a pretty good reason to trust you.
>>317542870
You don't get how this Bethesdrone thing works:
>Game is released
>It's shit
>MODS WILL FIX IT
>OBSIDIAN WILL FIX IT
>Repeat, while never admitting you have shit taste in vidya
>>317545280
Oh fuck off. Any rpg does shit like this.
>>317546094
Any Bethesda RPG, sure.
>>317545708
You know, i couldnt put my finger on it before, seeing all the webums and screenshots, but what you just said is exactly correct. He looks like a young guy masquerading as an elderly dude.
railroadies ww@
fuck the brotherhood!!
So why the hell everyone and their mother can use power armor without training now
>>317540042
>tell Desdemona and Maxson about Bunker HIll
>kill the courser, see who wins
>BoS beats the hippies, I throw grenades at the synths so I don't get bad boy points
>mfw
>>317545539
>manfaced
piper is a sexy bitch
not as godtier as Cait, but still
>>317548674
Because Bethesda. They invented the requirement of needing training.
F4 justification is the male protrag's military history. The female protag's excuse must be that Power Armor training is sexually transmitted.
>>317541343
All the companion quests, and legion characters were written pretty well.
>>317546565
>railroad
fuck off, hippie libtard trash
literally one of the first assignments from Father shows you why the railroad is stupid
>>317538497
>Avellone
>NUKE EVERYTHING!!!! BEAR HISTORY BULL BEAR BULL THE DIVIDE SKIES OLD WORLD BEAR BULL DIVIDE SKIES HISTORY SYMBOLS OLD WORLD BEAR BULL HISTORY BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BULL AND BEAR
>>317549246
>sexually transmitted power armor use
maybe she had prior experience with his super sledge
>>317549318
If you don't think that was the best DLC in the history of DLC then you're a kek
>>317545539
She it's ok if she disagrees with some things, I am sure you will romance her soon enough and not even care.
>>317549393
I wonder if her friends really knew what she mean't when she was complaining about her Small Guns training from her husband.
If you know what I mean.
>>317549810
At least she got some help from some of the guys on base. I heard she took the whole squad out to show her proper firearm control.
>>317545539
>Cait
I am so tired of retarded waifufags putting this dirty druggie bitch on a pedestal. I GUARANTEE she has sucked dick for chems at least once in her life, and likely holds one or more sexually transmitted diseases.
She is total c.uck tier. Nick is the only acceptable companion.
>>317549967
I heard the husband did too.
>>317540578
>>317540578
the faction whos sole purpose is to secure technology destroys one of the most technologically advanced facilities they know of
bethesda
>>317549982
Did you not see Hancock?
>>317550119
see, we were adding to it for a while
and then you came along and shitted it up
you are the worst kind of person
you're the little shit who said "I know you are but what am I?" whenever someone recognized your faggotry and properly labeled you
fuck you kiddo
so, how hard is it to get off that big ass balloon if you kill Maxon for that fucking sweet coat?
>>317545280
It has been forever since I played F1 or F2, so I am rusty on my lore. But aren't the BoS the remnants of the US Military from after the bombs?
So shouldn't they basically be worshiping this bloke because he was military from that time?
Not saying going to Paladin like that isn't stupid, I am genuinely trying to work out if there would be any sort of lore stuff that could play into it.
>>317550295
I ran out of innuendo bro.I'm sorry.
>>317550309
You can just jump off the side if you've got power armor. No fall damage, and there are half a dozen suits on board to steal.
>>317550320
It takes a lot longer than that for them to make you a Paladin.
>>317550320
from my limited knowledge of FO lore, The Enclave are the last remaining remnants of the U.S.
The Brotherhood is a different thing entirely.
>>317549289
>hurrdurr rogue synths can become bandits so synths are bad
Humans become bandits all the time.
>>317537626
"Fallout" is just one word, guy.
>>317550424
then just don't do it
if you cant keep up with the bantz, they'll go on without you
>>317540578
The Institute are an abomination of science, they need to die.
>>317550505
It's the fact that the Railroad would refuse to take responsibility for shit like that. The fact Father wants you to take him back is because in a way the Institute is responsible for this dangerous being.
>>317550467
I started the BoS questline after doing tons of railroad, finishing the minutement and institute quests up until the reactor thing. It literally took me 1 quest (killing the ghouls from cambridge) to become a full-fledged knight. And what seems like 2 or 3 quests beforeDanse is outed as a Synth
I completed that questline in like 30 mins.
Bethesda seriously needs to step it the fuck u p
>>317550539
Settle down chopper. Jesus christ. Why are you so upset friend?
Wait did you just play F4?
I just want to get one thing straight, was all the "YOUR SON IS THE VILLAIN KILL HIM OR NUKE THE COMMONWEALTH" just a big ruse? I did the Institute ending and it had nothing to do with destroying the Commonwealth.
>>317550478
Enclave were the remnants of the government, which had the Secret Service, and some directly reporting military personnel. BoS was the remnants of the military the government abandoned during the bombing. Which later banded together to survive and became the Brotherhood.
Or at least that is my recollection.
>>317550478
BoS are some troops from anchorage who discovered the us goverment had created and was using FEV, which in (some way) sped up the chinese/american conflict and lead to the bombs. They tried to separate/rebel from the US but the bombs fell, they survived with the power armor that was used in anchorage and formed the BoS and the codex and all that shit.
>>317550478
BoS was founded by remnants of the US Army. Enclave was founded by remnants of the US Gov't.
>>317550623
Why should the railroad take responsibility? It's a sentient being. If it becomes a bandit it becomes a bandit, and should be killed, but the railroad doesn't hunt bandits.
>>317550623
Neither the Institute nor the Railroad are any more responsible than his parents would be if he was a human bandit.
>>317550850
Yes, it was a rooze.
>>317545539
You know you can turn the robot into a cute girl right?
Is it so much to ask for a video game to let me accomplish something, and then NOT give me a kiss on the cheek and tell me what a fucking champion I am?
Every goddamned faction in this game is straight up BEGGING ME to be their top man.
Why the fuck can't I join a faction, and then just be a fucking footsoldier or something? Why does Father want me to be the king of the smart guys when my INT is 3?
>>317550309
There is a moment right after you join where he walks on the deck,right by the edge,you can kill him,loot and then jump off (if you have a power armour)
>>317542870
But new vegas outsold fallout 3 by a large margin....
>>317551037
>>317551107
I was just explaining the significance of that quest really and Father's reasoning behind it.
>any more responsible than his parents would be if he was a human bandit
There are a lot of people that would argue a bad upbringing by parents would lead to a life like that, though. Not that I completely agree with that but that's a different topic entirely.
>>317537678
The story was fine but the interaction between storylines is shit.
>Can't tell the BoS to calm the fuck down
>Can't change the Institute's view on snyth property rights
>Can't create a treaty between any faction and the railroad
> Can't play a middle route that doesn't murder everybody
>>317551242
No Bethesda game has ever done this properly. It makes all their storylines cringey.
>>317540627
Yea, it shows when he did Lonesome Road and it's the worst writing in NV.
Avellone is an idiot that doesn't understand where Fallout should go. Sawyer and Cain do.
>>317551242
3 and Skyrim did this exact same thing. Three Dog was atrocious for this.
Casuals seem to love it for some reason. It's an easy way to make the world seem like it's reacting to you, when nothing really changes
>>317551427
That's fair. His reasoning is also pretty apparent in the simple fact that he calls himself Father, implicitly labeling them as his children. The institute at large seems to think of them as tools, but he seems equal parts overbearing and overprotective
>>317545853
radioactive lake with a couple floating synths and BoS soliders that wont go away
>>317551242
Bethesda RPGs are babby's first RPG. They literally can't restrict the player from doing anything for any reason. It's the reason why quests are almost always the same until a choice at the very end, almost no important NPCs can be killed, and all the factions let you keep doing their quests until the final quest in that line. They don't want you to play the game multiple times to experience all the content, they want you to do absolutely everything with one single character, and it's been that way since Oblivion where you could be the leader of every guild at once by the time you were level 5.
>>317551242
Reminds me of that quote from Incredibles
When everyone is super, no one will be! That's what this is like. There's no pre-requisites to be anything in this game. You don't need intelligence to advance through the institute, you don't power armor training or actual martial capabilities to advance through the BoS. Here ya go bud you got the gold star!
>>317551471
>>317551702
Yeah I think my issue was that every faction was super extreme. Which may have been their intention, but I think it is kinda lame that there isn't another way.
>>317551213
>can't romance her in robot form
Fuck you Bethesda!
>Desdemona asks me if I like Synths
>One of the answers is something along the lines of "Circumstances are important. It's not a black and white answer"
>Pick that one
>Desdemona says "lol no u gotta answer yes or no" and it just loops back to the same choices as before.
10/10 top tier best writing ever bethesder.
>>317551971
>can help that one Ms. Nanny get with that teacher in Diamond City
>can't romance robot yourself
>>317545539
>manfaced
Fuck you m8, that's some natural Massachusetts beauty.
>>317537275
Just end him at the earliest convenience
>>317551408
>But new vegas outsold fallout 3 by a large margin....
No it didn't
https://web.archive.org/web/20151113201845/http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/10/9673936/elder-scrolls-bigger-than-fallout-sales-data-report
>NV sales: 11.6 mill
>3 sales: 12.4
>>317537275
So if you fail bunker hill, what happens to the main quest? I got exiled from the institute. Should I just load and earlier save?
>>317552061
I was honestly fucking amazed that Bethesda allowed me to kill Father as soon as I met him.
I was CERTAIN he would be essential up until a manufactured dramatic moment where you only have the choice to join him or kill him.
>>317543632
>your father
You played the game up until that point and you think Shaun is the player character's father?
>>317552061
Hilarious. How the fuck do you end the story after this?
>>317552291
Wait, you can actually kill him that soon? I didn't kill him until I was raiding the Institute with the BoS.
>>317545280
>They should hire some CDPR writers desu.
Lmao, they just copy pasted from the books.
I love it when people think those Poles are the minds behind the writing.
>>317552418
I shot him in the noggin with Kellogg's pistol the instant he introduced himself, and he turned to a ragdoll, instead of that sitting down thing essential characters do.
>>317552407
work with brotherhood. Can't kill Elder dude.
>>317552061
>Father is only Level 1
I bet his SPECIAL is really shitty too
>>317543790
You sound fucking retarded.
>>317552061
Child support averted
>>317537275
>he installs a chip on my pip boy so i can relay back and forth, assures me thats it
>"AHA! i bet it secretly records what im saying and where i am, surely he knows of my affiliation with the railroad
>the minute i step into the railroad HQ and talk about how we're gonna fuck their shit up, im in for it
>"father, i never expected this from you"
Damn it.
i hate this game so much
Every quest has AT MOST 2 options how to deal with things
And when they have 3(this is a lot for this game) the game still doesn't have dialogue/radio commentary for the third one, so he still treats everything you do if you went for the other 2 routes.
This is such a half asssed game, i can't believe they said VA would make the plot better or some shit like that.
>>317552434
Sounds like you didn't read the books.
>>317542870
new vegas is actually great if you compare to any modern RPG.
>>317552762
Remember, Bethesda believes that they sacrificed story-telling in Fallout 3 because the player had 'too much freedom'.
>>317552434
You realize a pollack wrote the books to begin with right?
>>317552790
Why would I read pollack scribbles? They didn't even have written historical accounts until the fucking 30's or some shit, when the Germans made them write shit down.
>finally beat the game
>expect a slideshow a-la every other Fallout game
>instead get some fucking cinematic where my character waffles on for a few minutes about how she hates the wasteland and misses her family
How exactly is this an RPG again?
I love how Bethesda made your son into the exact same character as your actual father in FO3
like what the fuck was even the point
>>317553000
trips confirm books are for nerds
>>317552934
>everytime i get to a FO4 thread i dislike the game even more
the only thing that keeps me going is the companions and theeventual mods
>>317552616
wow nice rebut there kid
![tumblr_n62n1aIfar1sopacdo1_250[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ohc8qBO.jpg "tumblr n62n1aIfar1sopacdo1 250[1]")
>bethesda is literally making more money with less effort by the time flies
when will they stop /v/?There is a happy ending to this right?
>>317552319
Oh fuck, meant your son. But he's called Father and older than you so it's all kinds of fucked up. The fact that he has a mini-robot version of himself doesn't make it any less fucked up.
>>317550850
You can't destroy the Commonwealth in any ending, though when you destroy the Institute the explosion looks like it destroys half of Boston.
>>317552513
I shot him in the chest with the Gainer execution style when he was in bed after telling him he's going to hell.
Then I told the son-synth that he isn't real and left him behind for the explosion.
The institute ending really showed how terrifying the institute is. Once you go in and shut down the emp generators they literally teleport a synth army right into the BoS base and hijack Liberty Prime to shoot down the airship.
How the fuck do you stop a teleporting robot army that can hack any technology better than what it has.
>>317546565
>Seohyun
heh i like SNSD too friend
>>317551816
Thats exactly it.
Institute is undoubtedly retarded so why would I join them?
Minutemen join you no matter what.
But both Railroad and BoS don't allow you to join with the other factions?
I can't justify joining any of them because they're all so fucking retarded to the extreme. Guess its minutemen. Take me Preston.
>The condition of the pre-war buildings increase as close as you get to the bomb dropzone
>>317553550
>Then I told the son-synth that he isn't real and left him behind for the explosion.
too far
>>317542870
Bethesda enjoyed working with Obsidian, and they even approached them to help them kickstart a new sci-fi franchise together but they were busy with Pillars of Eternity.
Look at it from Bethesda's point of view; if there is any studio that can do a Fallout game with the same design as their games it's pretty much Obsidian. And it's a match made in heaven, really. Bethesda keep to the east coast while they let Obsidian keep to the west coast.
>>317553094
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
>>317552264
How do you even do that?
>>317553737
He's not you real son and never will be.
>>317553756
>Coastal regions mattering at all in video games
>>317553591
Don't forget they give you grenades that teleport synths to help you.
I think this is a pretty common complaint, but I feel like one of my biggest issues with this game is how completely defined your character is.
You are a 30-something suburbanite with a spouse and a child and a career, yet for some reason your character knows things they shouldn't possibly have any experience in based on their previous life because of the player's character-building choices.
It's like Bethesda didn't know how to tell a story unless they wrote the characters exactly as they are "supposed" to be, but also wanted to pretend like this is totally an RPG and you are a blank slate and you're writing your own story.
>>317553902
Bethesda have said themselves that they want to keep to the east coast to carve out their own story.
>>317553965
They really should have stuck with the blank slate, but that becomes hard when they bother using a voiced protag.
>>317552407
Either Brotherhood or Minutemen.
>>317553871
Piss of Shaun when you talk to him after the battle.
>>317553965
Well, in FO3 wasn't that bad because atleast had some decisions in the prologue.
In f4 you just rush to the vault and then ends
what is even the point should just make a cutscene.
>oh buy i need codsworth to call me Mr Fuckface.
>>317553059
It's Mass Effect: Fallout Edition.
>>317554094
That's the other thing. I hope you don't make anyone with any sort of ethnic background, because even if you are Tyrone, king of the fat africans, you're still gonna sound like a soft-spoken, in-shape white guy.
>>317554190
At least Mass Effect had different colored endings, but of course in the Fallout universe they never invented color TV.
>>317554012
oh i misunderstood my bad senpai
i thought you meantreal life
>>317554108
>rush to the vault and then ends
Makes me wonder. If the blast was actually close enough to vaporize everyone within seconds, would the protag and Co. still live if the elevator had dropped down at least halfway to the vault by the time the bomb dropped? Does the incineration need to be exactly in the face to actually kill?
>>317554094
>>317553965
>FO1
>You're a vault dweller sent to retrieve a water chip. You get a game over if you fail to do so within the allotted time.
>FO2
>You're a tribal sent to retrieve a geck to save your village. You also get a game over if you take too long.
>FO3
>You're an ex-vault dweller trying to complete your dad's life's work. You have to find another geck. Nothing happens if you ignore the main quest.
>NV
>You're a courier who was waylaid trying to deliver a package. You have to recover it and complete the delivery. Nothing happens if you ignore the main quest.
>FO4
>You're military veteran or lawyer being being frozen for 200 years. You have to find your missing son. Nothing happens if you ignore the main quest.
Every single Fallout is essentially a mcguffin quest where you have a set backstory. Can we stop pretending otherwise? If anything, we've been given more room to roleplay after Bethesda got the title since you actual have the option to ignore the mainquest and and do whatever you want.
I hate how mundane the quests in this game are
>Fallout 3
>2 people think they are comic characters and are roleplaying in a power struggle
>Fallout 4
>they re-use the roleplay comic characters thing but then it is just go to X place kill Y guy again.
For real , there is a quest that it is basically > get green paint so i can paint the wall
and everyone in Diamond city treat me like a hero
REALLY ? NO ONE COULD BOTHER TO GRAB SOME PAINT?THERE IS ONLY 4 RAIDERS THERE.
>>317553965
Technically it is still a RPG, it just isn't the kind of RPG that Fallout is, or should be.
The protag shouldn't be voiced. It is just too limiting unless you are willing to pay like 5-10+ males and females of various ages and ethnicities to record the whole protag script for each of them.
And script size is going to be an issue since the more dialogue options you put in, the more that needs to be recorded, the bigger the game gets, the more costly the production, etc.
I love that they went a tried to put as many names in there as possible. That is an interesting attempt and potentially a step in the right direction for gaming.
But a voiced protag in a Fallout game is not. Until we have some proper AIs and I can use my own voice to yell at them to do XYZ.
>>317554457
I think you can use another color of paint but I don't know how he reacts. Agreed about the quest design being horrible though.
>>317553871
I told him the truth that I let the synths go free
>>317554190
Bethesda can get away with literally anything. I remember when ME3 came out people were fucking livid about the forced PTSD and dream sequences, but Bethesda does it and everyone acts like they're breaking new ground or some shit.
>mods will fix it
>the bugs make the game more fun!
>just buy a titan x if it doesn't run well on your toaster
>Bethesda games aren't about the graphics
>Bethesda games aren't about the story
>Bethesda game aren't about the gameplay
Bethesda provides a shitty, torn up canvas that the modders fix up and use to make a beautiful portrait, and then the mouthbreathing fans act like Bethesda were the ones who made the game what it became.
>>317554425
Isn't the time limit really long in the first two games, though? I heard you'd have to cover the entire map multiple times to actually run out. You can't dick around forever, but you'd probably run out of things to do first.
>>317540578
The BoS believes that the technology The Institute invented is inherently evil because the BoS is all about control. The BoS discovers, collects, and hoards all technology because they believe technology proliferation is what brought about the old worlds downfall.
Synths are a form of technology that is self-controlling, self-upgrading, and self-propagating, which goes against the core reason for why the BoS does what it does.
>>317537275
The people who wrote for this game and the people who paid money for this game are the biggest retards in Fallout history
>>317554698
I think if you just keep running around the wasteland, it takes about 3 hours
>>317554610
You can mixture Blue and yellow paint and then he says something like "good job son"
this is a (optional) objective that takes 2 seconds to do and it is just 5 steps away from the place you get the pain(the place i mean the shelter, literally you just walk 5 steps and mix the paint)
and this is a marked quest.
and every quest is so mundane, there is nothing fun to do with the quests
The only quests that aren't mundane end up in a brickwall because your character can't be doing this things, like the bobbi one and the kek and the bartender one
>>317553756
People here, and on NMA, like to think Bethesda is some incompetent, greed hungry company that will do everything in their power to maximize profits at the cost of gutting a franchise they know people like just so they can get those casualbucks.
In reality, they are only a mostly incompetent company that makes games they enjoy playing, the fact that they're somehow raking in the casualbucks is just icing on the cake for them, and honestly probably a surprise to them. The fact that they're willing and happy to let other companies take a crack at it, is stellar, and the fact that they've said that they would like to work with Obsidian again should be a clear enough picture into their mindset.
>>317554698
You can extend the time limit in F1 via a few means as well. And yes the time limit is pretty decent. It is mostly there to remind you of your core task.
I don't recall an emphasis on there being a timeframe in F2 though. I thought they needed the GECK to fix themselves genetically and restore the land. Which wasn't really a super time critical thing.
>>317554734
They didn't only research synths at the Institute. The BoS could easily have repurposed the facility and only destroyed anything related to synths.
Post only semi-related, but if I've ignored all the chances I had to flirt with Piper and now the "romance" option is red, do I have a chance at all? Am I gunna have to quicksave/load an assload of times to make this happen? I love it when she calls me "Blue", its super cute.
>>317554698
Not him, but It's easy for it to happen in Fallout 1, Fallout 2 I skipped when it came out and never got into so I can't say.
I remember dying a lot in Fallout.
>>317554425
At least with the games before FO4, there was wiggle room. You had a purpose and a goal, but you could have any skills because YOU weren't someone specific. You were just a guy with a job appointed to them.
But in FO4, your character is so defined that it's completely distracting to know that no matter how you imagine your character, they ARE the ex-military guy, or inconceivably the lawyer who has a proclivity towards power armor usage and wanton murder.
>>317555114
Raise your charisma beforehand with clothes/Grape Mentats if you can
>>317555114
I've passed red speech checks before, but it took at least two dozen attempts.
>>317555161
Is it just me, or does anyone else here hate it when people abbreviate this series to "FO3", "FO4" etc.? Its not Fall Out - Fallout is one word. Its just "F3", "F:NV", "F4".
>>317555032
This. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
I don't hate them for making this game, I hate them for making this game a core Fallout. I could live with it being a spin-off. Or it being some other IP that is just similar to Fallout.
>>317555075
Fallout 2 practically goes out of to remind you there's a time limit because people kept forgetting the first one had one, The village priests keeps reminding you in your dreams
>>317555243
>>317555248
Not sure if I've got any clothes handy that do that (or even in storage), but I do have grape mentats, so I'll try that. Thanks.
>>317555032
>>317555358
I wish i was naive like you.
just see how much market budget they had on this and Skyrim.
you are right about Bethesda not being incompetent, because they are making a lot of dosh when they are working even less they did on some years ago.
F3 had that excuse, for being a clumsy dev team just trying to do something, but in F4 and Skyrim they knew exactly what they need to do to get a lot of money with minimum effort.
in F3 actually you could actually see the effort.
in 4 there is nothing to show you they tried to make a good game and not simply a cash grabber.
>>317553059
Hopefully they plan to expand the story with DLC, might explain the lack of a slideshow.
>>317555358
>hating them for making a fallout game
Listen, it was dead before they got it because Interplay handles money and legal problems like a rapper. Just wait for NV 2 and be happy they've said they want to leave the west coast alone.
>>317549318
what point are you trying to make?
>>317550295
no hes not, you're far worse than he is, and the joke he ruined was horrible in the first place .
>>317554425
2 has no real time limit. After like 14 years the game ends but it's nearly impossible to spend that much time.
>>317555595
I'm sure they will, but that's not the reason there's no slideshow. If I had to guess it's because even if you do absolutely everything you don't actually effect much. How many settlements/cities/etc. do you actually deal with to the point that it would have its own slide detailing what happened as a result of your actions? As far as I can tell it'd only be the main factions, Diamond City, Goodneighbor and your companions. The companions can't have their own slides though since they need to be around in the post-game, so having them wander off on their own business or die wouldn't work. That'd leave you with 4 or 5 slides maximum, which would be pretty pathetic. I'm guessing Bethesda just couldn't be bothered.
>>317553965
This game is more action shooter than rpg now. Half the choices in the game don't matter. Like every time someone needs help and I say no, they just wait there for me to come back and say yes. What if you left Nick in the vault and tried to find another way? Pretty much everything feels like the illusion of choice and not a real one.
Also everyone is making me leader of everything when I'm rocking 1 intelligence, 1 perception and a pair of brass knuckles with wolverine blades.
My biggest complaint is stats or perks pretty much don't matter for role playing purposes. 1 int used to give you different dialogue, now every build path has the same dialogue paths as well.
>>317555509
Oh shut up. It's always some guy who tries to call you naive, and is 100% positive that the company is just a bunch of people in a boardroom talking about how they can ruin fallout and the elder scrolls to make more money.
I think they did put a lot of work into the game, and while it isn't want you wanted, or necessarily what everyone wanted. They made a fairly alright game that people are finding enjoyable. They even updated the skeleton they've been using since Daggerfall so the Deathclaw could do neat things.
They're incompetent, they're lazy, they cut corners, and they barely know what they're doing. But they never lack for trying to make the game fun.
>>317556220
Come on mate, you really think a game company doesn't know how to make money?
They know bro, they have a meeting with everyone involved and they discuss what needs to be done to achieve maximum profit.
They are not there for creating a game on artistic thing, it is a company, there is not a fidelity to the fans or anything like, even more because bethesda didn't develop fallout 1 and 2.
or you think they bought Fallout because they cared for the original fanbase?
stop being so jaded, they are business guys that are there to make money.If they were imcompetent Skyrim would bomb, F4 would bomb, and no one would bother.
But they are making money, because they are good at their job.
>>317550570
No, SYNTHS are abominations and the Institute are enemies of the BoS because they played god and made them.
>>317555509
If they only wanted to make cash out of everything ala Ubisoft, Activision or EA, they would shut down the project of porting Daggerfall to Unity ages ago, and not giving away the game for free to whoever wants it.
>>317538196
you could probably have fun playing with your own shit pleb.
>>317551242
Because it's arguably more stupid that I literally got every faction in the Mojave desert to support the NCR, do all their work for them while their troops fuck around doing prostitutes on the strip and by the end I'm still basically fucking nothing. With the BoS in this game, at least you only reach sentinel.
>>317556475
They're making money because people are buying their game. They see the things they like, and they see the things people like, and they throw it at the wall to see what sticks.
And I know why they bought fallout. They bought it because they wanted it, and wanted to make games in the setting. They said as much when they bought it. Unless they have a magic fucking crystal ball, they had no way of knowing it would become as popular as it did.
>>317556475
>stop being so jaded
Mate, you need to google the definition of jaded. They succeed because they try to make fun games, and they always get a measure of success on that ground.
>>317556950
>yeah i thought jaded meant another different thing because of that aerosmith song
That is basically it, how many people bought F3?New Vegas?and 4?
How much of the budget went to shit that people that played the original games care(voiced protag, dialogue wheel, settlements)?
and how much went to marketing?
They won't just take a U-turn and try to cater to things another completely different demographic care.
If they did this game would be totally different, and not a skyrim with guns.
They are different than ubisoft, EA, activision. But they are not "oh we are so clumsy at making games tee-hee we just don't know what to do"
Was anybody else bothered that your character literally doesn't react at all if you kill Shaun?
>>317537275He trusts you, because you are his Father, and went to no extent to find him.
> ITT: Fucking retarded ass downie OP
Pic related: It's yo poofta ass.
>>317551980
Deacon helps you get around that
>>317557368
At this point do you even know what you're saying? Or are you trying to say that because they sell well, Bethesda suddenly aren't incompetent at making games? And instead masters of marketing and shady corporate deals?
Let me serenade you on the secret of their success. They make games people like. They're not necessary complex, but they're big and fun, and you can run around and kick stuff. And then they release the mod tools. The fact that there is one bug tied to their games since Morrowind that they can't get rid of because the guy who coded it forgot how he did it, and if they try to fix it the problem only gets worse and worse speaks of that.
>>317552098
Honestly those numbers sound good enough for another Obsidian game. Bethsoft probably make a truckload of cash, kept interest in their IP and probably didn't spend a whole lot
>>317553381
>and older than you
technically no
>>317537275
>goes through hell and back to find him
>he thinks you believe in him as a result
>betray him anyways despite family ties and him being the whole reason why you went there in the first place
>he shouldn't be shocked by this.
>>317537275
Modern Bethesda games will never block you out of "content", no matter how retarded the outcome. That's also why you can be the leader of every single guild in every single game simultaneously.
>sole survivor loses their life, their husband/wife, child becomes a vile sack of shit
>none of the endings really end on a good note
Sole Survivor had a hard life. Maybe on par with the Vault Dweller depending on how you played
>>317554425
I feel like I've seen this and several other posts like this repeatedly over the past 2 days
is this game 'funner' on higher difficulties?
im only playing on normal and its super fucking easy, but i guess thats the case with 'normal' for most games these days
do the higher difficulties include different game play elements in some way or are they just 'enemies do more damage/take less' type of stuff
>>317552098
at least on steam sales of NV are quite quite higher than FO3
>>317553662
>I can't justify joining any of them because they're all so fucking retarded to the extreme.
This is the thing I hope bethesda understands in all the criticism.
In New Vegas you could debate why each path might be the best for the wasteland and you could be confident in your choice while discussing it.
In Fallout 4? We're all trying to figure out the least retarded group to end with and the Minutemen are the only ones that are allowed to end the game as an all around reasonable faction with noble goals.
Not that we need every faction to be the perfect wasteland savers, but unless you develop a callous disregard for the future of the commonwealth, only the minutemen make sense.
The institute will continue using them as a test lab while claiming they're doing it for humanity when they really mean for themselves unless you intervene in your headcanon.
The brotherhood (haven't done this ending) are as big a cancer to the commonwealth as the institute.
The railroad (haven't done this ending) don't seem like they're going to do anything that makes them seem like an ending worthy faction. So, synth manufacturing stops and the remaining synths are safe. Great. Now what?
>inb4 hurr legion, I know, but they were supposed to be fleshed out more
>>317560127
Vault dweller has it good pretty much no matter what. If you are a good guy you are in a very high up position in the brotherhood of steel and you are basically wasteland jesus. If you are evil you get to nuke the shit out of the brotherhood and live in your comfy 5 star hotel room forever.
>>317560416
No, the difficutly doesn't increase in any substantial way.
you take more damage, enemies take more to die, but you get more legendaries which means the chances of getting the actual good weapons is vastly higher.
Survival compared to normal is a 3x difference in legendary rates.
>>317561094
Wow. That's an oldie.
>>317561094
>that 4chan Original 17 square story box
It's like I can feel the pressure change and everyone is aware if I'm talking to a girl for a while and she mentions she has a boyfriend.
>>317541002
>no Gunner faction
>no helping raider to take the diamond city or goodneighbour
>cant bet on robot race
>cant duel in Combat zone
>cant hijack pyrewedyn and bring it to attack new vegas
>>317540578
Maxson is legit retarded, that's why. He wants to scorch the Earth on something he thinks is an abomination when that's what most Prewar science was.
>Hey guys let's put land mines in Giddyup Buttercups!
>>317561504
>>cant hijack pyrewedyn and bring it to attack new vegas
That sounds like a terrible idea, theres really no reason why anyone would want this.
>>317561504
Sounds like that could be some sweet DLC friend. :^)I hate myself for even typing that.
>meet and take along Nick "The Shocking Dick" Valentine
>oh shit, giant BoS blimp out of nowhere
>get to go up on it
>with Nick
>listen to a long-ass speech about how all synths need to be destroyed and how much they should be hated
>all while Nick is standing right next to me
This game is pissing me off.
>>317552061
hahaha oh wow, now i want to see the chinese one
>>317542870
Who?
>kill all off the Railroad for the BoS
>then kill all of the BoS for The Institute
>kill Father
>think I'm going to be able to kill the Minutemen and be in this on my own
>LOL NO SORRY PICK ONE SIDE AT LEAST
>>317561504
The lucky 38's laser cannon might still work. Prydwen would go up in flames
>>317537275
C U C K E D
>>317554418
Actually thinking on it now, isnt them not being behind a closed vault door actually an issue? Like once youre down the hole and the bomb went off, that doesnt protect you from radiation or the massive heat.
>hear that you can betray Shaun
>work for the Institute
>kill Courser and free synths for the Railroad at the Battle of Bunker Hill
>Shaun teleports in to talk to me
>Tell him to go fuck himself
>"Well, I suppose that makes your views quite clear"
>Teleports out
>Kicks me out of the Institute
>Go back to Railroad
>They straight-up tell me that they can't do shit and that I should join the Minutemen
TOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDD
>>317556813
>I'm still basically fucking nothing
They give you the highest possible civilian decoration and you're presumably set for life as a hero of the republic
So what's the minutemen ending?
>>317562347
You nuke the institute with 5 poor farmers wearing rags and using pipe gun as backup then proceed to have nothing faction related other than radiant quests like nothing ever happened
>>317561504
>cant duel in Combat zone
Did anyone else think this was misleading in the commercials/trailers?
It LOOKS like you'll get into some bareknuckle brawling and working your way up to knife fights and probably culminating with a fist fight against a super mutant or something.
Instead, you walk in, everyone tries to kill you, and you get your irish junkie. Try to return and the owner never gets his shit together.
>>317562347
The same as everything else. You get inside the institute, and blow up their reactor.
>>317562145
The entire plotline of the Railroad relies on you working for the Institute undercover. Their goal is to free synths, and THEN destroy the Institute.
>>317542870
stories and endings change in ending through player's choices..
FO4 shits all over with same 1 cinematic ending on all faction win
>>317562429
Why don't they get suped up laser muskets and preston tier clothing as elite troopers?
Even the railroad gets fucking gauss cannons. I don't even understand how they're the faction that gets their hands on those.
>>317543790
this
all people i talked too people who actually played FO1~2 prefer Obsidian
people who STARTED on 3 prefer Bethesda
and they act like old FO series fans
its fucking disgusting
>>317560703
Yes.
But, NV is steamworks, so no matter where you buy it, it goes into your steam. 3 was GFWL, not exclusive to Steam.
What was the goal of the institute again?
even though i went their endingI got nothing but make the wasteland better with robots.
>>317562635
The worst part is that I equipped all of my like 20 guys at the castle with the minuteman outfits, combat armor over that, and some guass rifles yet the guys who helped me in the final quest had fucking double barrel shotguns
>>317540716
I thought the BoS kinda eschewed history.
Admittedly from the wiki but still
>While they have great reverence for technology, most of the Brotherhood members have little regard for non-technical fields of knowledge (and even for non-combat-related technology). Even most of the Scribes do not care about history, and some Brotherhood of Steel Initiates do not even know who Roger Maxson, the founder of the Brotherhood, was.
>>317562736
i really have no fucking idea
they say they want to enhance humanity but not at the cost of compromising what it means to be human (which is why they abandoned the cybernetics project Kellogg was part of)
but then they say synths aren't real people so ???????????? what the fuck is the point of a synth?
>>317555509
you are fucking retarded
>>317556813
So a bloated, corrupt political organization takes advantage of your hard work, barely acknowledges your accomplishments, and continues to indulge in kickbacks and vice?
How totally unrealistic.
>>317562736
If you ask me, their original goal doesn't really matter once you get put in charge, from then on it's your own headcanon.
>>317562736
>but make the wasteland better with robots.
By the end I got lost myself.
Preserve themselves ultimately. Really, it's left up to your headcanon as director.
Without you, they wouldn't be helping anyone, or at least what normal people consider help. Sharing technology, keeping communities safe, disposing of nuclear waste, clearing out nests of critters.
Left alone they'd just continue performing nearly Big MT tier amoral experiments and without the excuse of insanity.
>>317542870
>it really underperformed
nice meme
>>317562635
>can't invest money into their equipment
>can't have vertibirds drop in minutemen decked out in combat/power armor
>>317562814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87US9AXNMME
pic related, the brotherhood at it's core.
>>317552098
If it sold almost 12 million how do you figure it "underperformed"?
>>317561883
>might
Knowing House it's definitely working. No way he'd let a trump card like that be nonfunctional.
>>317563125
>Not even 2 minutes of Hosue putting The Brotherhood in their place did more to explain a faction than anything in 4
>>317563268
>Knowing House it's definitely working.
knowing bethesda and chris avellone, house is dead and the NCR is expanding or new vegas is in the hands of the people.
>>317542870
I remember reading a thread in reddit about a year ago where some butthurt bethesda worker told everyone that fallout 4 will release during 2015, one of the other things she mentioned is that bethesda had a strict timeline of when DLC is going to be released and announcing a spin off game by obsidian.
According to her, an obsidian spin off is going to be announced mid 2016 and released at early 2017 IIRC.
All the other information there was spot on, including voiced PC's, new bullshit dialogue system and other bullshit.
Considering everything else that was written by her was spot on by now, I'm going to pray that we'd actually get another Obsidian fallout game.
>>317563335
I'll never get over this. By the end of New Vegas, we all had a good understanding of every faction right?
Fallout 4 leaves you with questions and things to say or better yet, scream into the ears of faction leaders.
>>317563371
I wouldn't doubt that The Courier/Yes Man know how to use it.
Besides, even without it Courier could pretty much repel all of the Eastern Brotherhood with his Securitron army since he's so ridiculously OP
>>317537275
That's your son. Your flesh and blood. How do people even side with anything but the Institute.
>>317563509
Main characters fall off the face of the earth after the plot is done with them. I guarentee if they do make yes man the ending, the courier either wandered off into the desert or has no apparent input into NV's politics.
Oh, but yes, yes man alone can probably use it.
>>317546094
It talks forever to get into the Mage's Guild Uni in Oblivion.
>>317563492
You never get a chance to debate or explore NPCs. After meeting with Father, you don't even get the ability to talk to him. Like what the fuck happened in those 60 years, why are synths kidnapping people and killing villagers, what are their goals and so on.
I think in terms of gunplay and general gameplay that FO4 is the best in the series, but holy shit and fucking Christ they fucked up everything regarding roleplay or dialogue.
>>317563587
>know parent is stuck in a fridge for 60 years and doesn't bother thawing them out
>when the faggot does, he lets you deal with the apocalypse yourself instead of taking you into the Institute
>after fighting tooth and nail and avoid getting eaten by mutants or raped by raiders, and finally finding a way into the complex, he decides to let you see a robotic version of himself
>why? so he can see your reaction, that's it
Father is hands down the most cruelest person in the fucking game, same thing with the Institute.
>>317563587
>Lets you into the commonwealth expecting me to die as an experiment
>Doesn't even consider the fact that watching your wife get shot in the fucking face is fresh in your mind and calls her collateral damage
>After you miraculously find him using nothing but the will of a father, he sends you on life threatening missions like a common grunt
>Literally knows that The Institute is responsible for FEV experimentation and yet another super mutant outbreak on top of having cold hard evidence of entire settlements being wiped out on their accounts
I shot Shaun in the face, all he had to offer was a poor, morally incorrect version of Mr House.
>>317563587
because you have no connection with him as the player, hes just as lifeless as all the other faction leaders,
It doesn't matter who you pick, the game will pat you on the back for your choices because there is no karma/rep system.
>>317563845
>Mr House
Shaun isn't worthy of the comparison.
Bethesda knew they had to make him your son otherwise everyone would kill them and exclusively mourn the following retardation that is the forced nuking of their base.
>>317550519
Then show him how its done by hitting F4
Hit Alt too while you're at it.
>>317563812
>>317563902
Even if he is a vile cocksucker, killing my own son is rough shit. If he was the parent I'd have no hesitation. I dunno
>>317564074
>he needs karma to know if he did a good thing or a bad thing
nah, that should never come back to the 3d games.
>>317563812
I was under the impression that he really wanted to see how'd you treat synth Shaun, since he planned on letting you "raise" it because you couldn't raise him.
>>317564156
I might see why you could think like that if we had any interaction with Shaun where he isn't a cunt.
>>317564156
Killing him was extremely easy for me to do since the player has literally no reaction. He doesn't even say "Im sorry, Shaun" or anything.
At least in NV House had an extremely memorable scene and an obituary that makes you feel like a piece of shit
>>317564156
the only times you can "interact" with the guy he's either too young to do anything or he's a cunt. I had no remorse killing the guy
>>317561094
I think all endings but the Institute one allow the Commonwealth to acutally flourish in some form.
The Minuteman ending would allow for the place to become united and form its own state, similar to a burgeoning NCR.
The Brotherhood ending would have the settlements of the Capital Wasteland more or less merge with that of Boston due to how the Brotherhood seems keen on helping people, even if they come across as dickheads.
The Railroad ending seems like "ok, but how does that help the everyman?". Well now that the Institute is gone, the mutant numbers will eventually dwindle, the synth attacks and replacements end and the looming threat of the Institute dies. Which means people will actually try to settle in places and reclaim the land. This is somewhat like the Minuteman ending, and could possibly also lead to a sovereign state now that the BoS is out of the picture.
>>317563587
The fact it is Shaun and not Sean is enough reason.
Death to the false Seans.
>>317552291
but if you immediately kill him, the game does not acknowledge it whatsoever
i hate that
I'm playing as a vengeful father who refuses to believe what institute is telling him and just pulls the trigger on Father half way through the dialogue
then I come back and no one cares
there are no options for "hey I just killed leader of institute"
Why is bos so fucking boring. I wanna kill them all just because of that faggot rys.
Is there a destroy the bos quest i can do
>>317564374
The Railroad ending is basically the Minutemen ending but without a bunch of guys roaming around helping people out.
The Railroad would disband fairly quickly since they no longer have a reason to exist.
>>317564509
You would think they would have at least done something like;
"Why did you kill him?"
"He was getting in the way of me finding my son."
"I have some bad news...."
Or something along those lines.
>>317564315
House's obituary made me feel like shit for all of ten seconds till I got to the end of it and read the part that lets you know that said obituary is a House^tm production for House^tm produced and crafted in house^tm by Mr. House himself.
>>317564586
Join the SJWs or retarded cave people.
>there are people that killed Danse
>there are people that did not notice the Grape Mentats (+5 CHA) sitting next to him during that scene
>>317564692
Can i just kill everyone.
>>317564586
Brotherhood were OK until that Danse quest.
That whole Synth tirade Maxson went on pretty much confirms that he and the rest of the group are high functioning autists. Then you have Danse picking fights with half of the possible companions when switching out, and not in a MacCready banter sort of way, just plain sperging out about muh mutant scum
>>317564759
You can just kill everyone on the airship but it won't explode.
>>317563454
I hope so. I might bite if this happens. Watching FO4 on twitch has been nice way to wait out my niggeritis, but it's definitely not a buy.
>>317564195
>I was under the impression that he really wanted to see how'd you treat synth Shaun, since he planned on letting you "raise" it because you couldn't raise him.
Then he should have atleast programmed the littler fucker to act like Shaun as well.
Also, fun fact, if you destroy the Institute as Railroad, you can't avoid the kid. You can abandon him, but then Tinker Tom takes him with him anyway, so you will always have a annoying child in the Railroad HQ afterwards.
>>317564156
What kind of fucking abused spouse talk is that? Father set you out in a wasteland with nothing, not even armor or even a gun. You are literally forced to kill gigantic roaches with your fists in order to exit the vault. And he doesn't even want to talk to you. He sends you out on a goddamn fetch quest and refuses to talk to you, always saying that you should focus on your mission.
Father is terribly written, and FO4 is a goddamn catastrophe for the franchise in the writing department.
>>317564509
Wait, no other NPC reacts to it? Not even your PC?
What the fuck, Bethesda. How fucking bad are you faggots.
>>317564882
>>What kind of fucking abused spouse talk is that?
Don't get me wrong, I blew his ass sky high and I agree with you. I just have some doubts after finishing the main quest, probably moreso because a lot of innocent people died and all the knowledge they acquired went to waste because Maxson is autistic
>>317564756
>convince him not to kill himself
>exit the bunker
>maxson arrives without a vertibird or escort, he is literally teleported in from thin air
>proceeds to execute danse anyway
Quality fucking writing there, Beth.
>>317561114
the fallout 3 mc is the lone wanderer
vaukt dweller is there fallout 1 mc, you retard
>>317541809
those are eyebots?
>tfw not issuing the evacuation order during the final minuteman quest
>>317564959
You can also convince Maxson not to kill him.
He survives and is suddenly walking around in X-01 power armor.
>>317537275
Why is his name father if he's your son??
>>317565020
>at first glance they all look hot
>on closer inspection they are all used-up whores who have blown more cocks than birthday candles
>>317565121
it rhymes
>>317565121
They used his womb to make all gen 3 robots
Will Father be black if you and your spouse are black, or did they only include that model?
>>317537275
You soon realize that every dialog wheel is just:
>Yes
>Willing Yes
>Reluctant Yes
>No, but Yes later.
Fuck, I feel like I've pretty much done all the quests in the game. No one I talk to is giving anything but shitty radiant quests and I don't feel like building settlements. I also play on 1:1 timescale so everything takes a decade to respawn. Don't really feel like rerolling a character since there's not really much variation in the quests and there's no level cap, so doing a build is pointless I feel.
>>317552434
It skill takes a considerable amount of talent and vision to adapt the source material into an interactive medium. There are games based off existing works which failed miserably due to its misappropriation of the very influence that inspired its creation.
So after about 20 hours of this game, the gist is that they improved general gameplay but let the RPG side of things just drop off the face of the earth.
It's basically a much shittier stalker now. What the fuck.
>>317565424
what about "SARCASTIC?"
>>317564451
>Sean
>not Seán
HERETIC
Daily Reminder
>>317565534
yeah.
and it feels horrible after some hours into playing, just like skyrim
specially with those pointless quests
>>317565536
sarcastic yes
>>317565607sarcastic is 90% a huge cunt, not even a funny sarcastic line, just straight up cunt
>>317563261
exponential growth
>>317565536
I'v been playing with the mod that actually show what you are going to say on the wheel and "Sarcastic" is just Yes
>>317561768
its an alteration of ur character and ur significant other features
>>317564882
>Wait, no other NPC reacts to it? Not even your PC?
You become hostile with the institute and fail any relevant quests, that's literally all that happens. You can shoot and kill him before he even talks to you, bravo Bethesda
I dont really know why people dont understand what Shaun's intentions are about picking you as the leader
he wanted you a non-basement dweller who probably knew his way around the wasteland and knew what to do to use the technologies of the institute to its fullest far more then its ever been
blowing up that reactor for any other faction is just a HUGE step back for man
>>317565556
>FO1 and 2 are canon according to Bethesda
>>317558543
They make games people like.
These people are the ones that liked FO1, 2 andNV
That is it actuallly.
Any speculation on how long it'll take for DLC to come out? I always feel like it takes a year or some ridiculously long time for DLC packages for these FPS games. Can't remember how long they took for FO3 and NV though.
As a Bostonian, I'm fairly convinced that they'll do a DLC featured around Martha's Vineyard. Seems self-contained enough to not fuck with what goes on in the Commonwealth, but still a distinct part of Massachusetts. Beyond that wild guess though, I have absolutely no clue.I'd like them to go a little bit north though so I can see my hometown bombed to shit, but it's not really important or noteworthy so it'll probably just end up being some empty hill if they do. A man can dream though.
>>317560416
i played on survival but is horrible, every enemy is a bullet sponge, and when only bolt action weapons do damage it is just such a fucking chore that is easier to just play on high/normal and actually power play throught the dungeon.
but yeah it is way easier than NV, i am swimming in ammo and stimpaks(57 stimpaks)
>>317553000
So you're saying that CDPR copy pasted from the books. The books that you haven't read?
Sounds like you're a legitiment source.
>>317561562
>mfw meeting Arlen Glass and giving him the holotape of his child who died in the bombing
>>317565913
Shaun pretty much admits that he had no idea what you would do once you were un-frozen, you are just an experiment to him
>the railroad are fools and synths can't be let out of the institute to live their own lives and think they're human
>here take care of this kid synth version of myself and give him a normal life, we made him think he's human
>>317566059
I forget where they stated this, but I heard January or February as the first possible DLC. I am not sure though, that seems like a short amount of time.
>>317552762
I will say the one thing that caught me off guard was when I helped No Nose fuck over Hancocks weird bodyguard, and then gunned No Nose down straight after.
I just did it for fun, I thought she'd be essential. Of course that other fuckhead was, which was annoying. Seriously fuck essential NPCs.
>>317566185
That's the date for the creation kit.
>>317566169
well who would know?
all records of your past life would've been really really hard to find
>>317554698
Once you get the chip in one, you can fuck around to your hearts content. Same with Fallout 2, once the Enclave hit your village you no longer have a time limit
>>317566172
>Make a bunch of robots
>Give them a covering that makes them look human
>Program them to feel pain, joy, sorrow etc.
>Just to make them a bunch of janitors
>Hunt down the ones that try to escape
Why can't we bury the spouse? Seems a bit weird to leave them in cryogenic storage, or worse if you left the pod open
>>317551571
Morrowind did
>>317565662
That's what sarcasm is? It's not meant to be funny.
>>317566589
DLC to eventually REVIVE THEMbut with No memory of who they are and they start anewinstitute access only
Well he's in charge of a giant plot device which has no reason for existing besides being an easy antagonist so you can't blame him.
I'm 100% sure the only reason you can lead them is because people cried about not being able to join the Enclave in FO3 and NV let you join the Legion.
>>317566635
Not if you are actually being a dick to them then is is being sardonic, not sarcastic.
>>317565534
im really pissed off that there isnt much actual interaction with companions
>>317566635
Depends on if someone is doing it properly or if some 14 year old skank is doing it.
>>317566918
But neither the institute nor Father are antagonists and if you played the game and paid attention you'd realize that the institute has nothing to do with the rogue synths
>>317561634
>That sounds like a terrible idea, theres really no reason why anyone would want this
>I don't like the idea, so no one else should not want this.
Is there anything as retarded as FO3's ending in this? y'know, something like having a ghoul companion but you can't have him go into the irradiated area without DLC
>>317564195
You need Karma so the game has a mechanic for dealing with player alignment. It should be for perceived actions only, of course, so it's like a more general wasteland reputation. I'd argue there should be more specialized Karmas for dealing with a variety of different playstyles, like theft, murder, chem abuse/dealing, cons, etc. At that point, though, the game might as well be a full-blown crime syndicate sim.
>>317567056
Literally the only interactions companions have is if you switch them out, which is kinda cool I guess, but I wish they did so much more. Companion and NPC interaction also feels fucking stupid. Besides Piper in Diamond City and Nick talking to ONE person in Goodneighbor, most NPCs just straight up ignore the person you're traveling with. Nobody has said shit to Nick in the Railroad and he's a goddamn Synth. BoS won't comment on me bring him or Strong around (in my experience) and it just feels lazy. Literally all companions are there for is to bring along and ignore besides choosing a few dialogue options they might like. And the fact like, three of the 12 or whatever of them have unique sidequests is fucking absurd.
>>317567290
well, you can follow liberty prime around for a second time if you go with the BoS.
>>317566635
It's meant to be ironic at the very least. It usually isn't, it's just straight up, cut-and-dried abrasion.
>>317537626
fallout 4 is fun
not sure if your being serious or just using an ebin meme
>>317567290
The BoS nuking a shit ton of advanced technology because muh robots muh purity
>>317567290
Some faggot heard about how the BoS used blimps that were all shot down easily in the FO:T period so he decided to make a ginormous blimp which can be shot down easily and put all of his stuff and personnel on it.
>>317567485
Isn't the BoS all about pre-war technology?
>>317567485
>don't understand the faction's arc
>blame the game
>>317567530
>even the fucking farmers' army can take that shit down
p. pathetic to be honest family
>>317567638
At this point they're just about purging all non-human scum.
All hail Emperor Maxon
>>317553381
>older than you so it's all kinds of fucked up
I swear it's like you didn't actually play the game and just watched a twitch stream.. he's not older than you.. you're 200 years old..
>>317537626
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>>317537275
Out of all of the things in this game, the only thing I shed tears about was discovering Danse was a synth and then talking to him about it. The way he was just completely adamant he was a blight against mankind, it just hit me in the gut. I was actually surprised because of how shitty the writing in the game was otherwise. Damn.
>>317567712
Stop being pedantic. Father has experienced more of his waking life than you have, with the body and experiences of a 60-year-old-man.
>>317567712
You are biologically 30 something.
Shaun is biologically 70 something.
>>317546094
You can't rank on BoS or even join them in the old fallouts.
>>317537275
>doing quests for the Railroad
>go up to Des to hand in
>tells me to choose between the Railroad or the Minutemen
>can't hand in until I choose
I don't know which one I give less of a fuck about.
>>317562508
thats will take several months of planning and level design anon, you know what beth will say...
mod will fix it!
>>317564756
Danse was a dumbass. Also he reminds me of Buzz Lightyear.
>>317567981
Minutemen are worthless but so is the railroad after you get the ability to upgrade clothes.
>>317552061
>Father?
>Yes?
>BANG
The canon route.
>>317553000
this nigga so edgy
>>317537275
Well you know the saying like father,like son anon
>>317568084
I leaning more towards picking the Railroad just because all the Minutemen quests have been fucking boring.
>>317563125
War never changes, but one can hope such burns eventually heal with time.
God damn
>>317568272
And once you get the artillery you're 100% done with them
>>317566918
>NV let you join the Legion.
If only they fleshed the Legion out as much as they did for NCR. They could have made so much for a nation built upon slaves and masters.
But no, let's make them psuedo-romans and not in a cool way, instead make them wear american football vests and helmets. Goddamn Obsidian, you had one job.
So who else is going straight to the Institute to rape their own 70 year old son as soon as the sex mods are out?
>>317567293
Karma should only matter if someone sees you doing shit
Losing karma for taking stuff with literally no one else around is stupid. If anything it should just give you a bad rap with whatever group you're stealing from. Like if the Powder Gangers are trying to explode my asshole, why would I lose general karma for swiping their ammo? If anything it should just make that one faction hate you more. If you're gonna have karma just make "bad karma" be for fucking with innocent people, or double crossing your allies, that kind of stuff.
>>317548674
needing training in the first place was a retcon
this is basically a re-retcon to make it more like it used to be
>>317568506
I'll force young Shaun to watch old Shaun impregnate his mother and then kill both he kids and eat them in front of the old fart on his death bed.
>>317568543
I think it'd be more interesting if it was actually karma, rather than some good/evil meter. Like if you accrue bad karma from stealing, you might get shit stolen from you.
Why did they kidnap your Shaun in the first place? I don't think I can continue playing through this shit pile.
>>317568272
Railroad and BoS seem like canon choices. Minutemen have a cool concept, of a group of militias working together under a single banner, but they never really do anything with the concept.
Railroad is kind of boring though. You find out who is delivering the synths and then you have to work "undercover" by working for Father which interestingly means doing the entire Institute storyline. I shit you not, you do the entire Institute arc, Mass Fusion building and everything, restore the reactor, and THEN you get to the next section in the Railroad quest.
It's the laziest fucking thing ever.
>>317568745
Because they wanted someone untouched and young to base the synths off. It's all in the game.
>>317568745
Because he wasn't ruined by radiation like everyone else was.
Just ignore the fact that everyone in the vault was also "pure" and that they could have just escorted the family out together and had no problems later on.
>>317568543
>>317568741
One way to do it would be to have a "Wasteland Reputation" separate from your different faction reputations.
>>317568603
>needing training in the first place was a retcon
That was introduced as a gameplay restraint, because once you can use power armor it's basically game over anyway and you can find them super easy in all the games.
>>317568745
Not a mutant, and needed a child to study for their synths. Which is fucking weird because they have children in the Institute and you get the impression that everyone is "pure" there.
>>317564195
>>he needs karma to know if he did a good thing or a bad thing
>nah, that should never come back to the 3d games.
That's not the point of a karma/rep system, the point is to have the attitudes of the NPC's reflect how much of a dick you are.
For example from NV with the whole "in walks the Powder Gangers' grim-fucking-reaper" line.
Can I obliterate the Brotherhood in this game?
>>317568679
post a video whenever mods allow you to do this
>>317569037
That had to do with your reputation, not your karma. Karma literally affected nothing besides some perks and how your ending was flavored
>>317561094
Chose the institute mainly for head canon and also because even thought you're not allowed to deviate from your SHAUUUN?! bullshit, it makes the most sense in that you wouldn't just choose the Brotherhood or Railroad over your son, even though he's your senior. Technically, it's been only a few months from you waking up from cryo and finding him, so it's silly that you would fully commit to Brotherhood or Railroad ideals. The Minutemen would be incapable of actually realizing the true impact of the Institute and would probably be fine regardless. It's not too much of a stretch that Preston would stretch his Lawful good dick over synths as well.
Railroad is probably the most idiotic option though. Singular purpose and above all, incapable of doing anything significant to help people outside of synths without your help. Don't know why anyone would pick those self-righteous incapable pricks.
>>317568847
Aren't these like super smart brainy guys and descendants of pre-war intelligentsia?
Wouldn't they keep human eggs and sperm cells on lock down or something?
I'm not sure how good Genetic modification is in Fallout but if FEV and Sapient AI is a thing, test tube babies aren't that "out there". Right?
>>317569275
You know exactly what I mean.
You're hatred of a karma system doesn't stop my statement about a rep system from being true.
>destroy institute
>IM YOUR 10 YEAR OLD KID IM SHAWN
>no youre not youre a fucking synth
>leave him
>preston hated that
>>317564756
>meet Danse after he ran away
>if you don't kill me I do it myself
>ok
>>317537275
>linear story
>no choices make any difference whatsoever
It's not Father's fault. I'd blame Todd. Remember, people would just reload after making a bad decision, so why bother?
I wanna do like a holy father role play kind of thing in fallout 4, I know that's a little odd, but is there anywhere I can find some cool crusader armor? Anything like holy robes or maybe an old western sword? Or something that is made of shitty rust or something?
>>317569561
Best you'll get is rusty power armour and a Chinese sword.
>>317569462
>Talk to Sturges right after
>You're really okay with just leavin' that kid here?
>That's not even my kid, it's a synth made to think he's my son.
>Wow that's pretty messed up, even for the institute.
The only person who gets it isn't even a companion.
>>317569561
Or anything like a huge shovel that I can bury the heratics with? Or maybe a book that does damage? I'm just picking at straws here really, but yeah.
>>317569615
I actually just found something called Pastors robe in a church witch flamed the idea.
>>317569689
Well the children of atom priest robes might work but the melee weapons are very limited.
>>317569781
AH, that really sucks. I might just purge them all with my fists.
>>317569874
>>317569781
There's Grognak's Axe and the Super Sledge
>>317567203
the main quest pretty much is "choose the antagonist"
If you choose institute, BOS and Railroad are bad
If you choose BOS, Railroad and institute are bad
If you choose Railroad, BOS and Institute are bad
You choose Minutemen you can fuck them all
>>317567707
They are Warhammer 40k wannabes now
I still want Maxon's big guy coat tho
I sided with Institute because their base was sexy. Like the lobby in PSO2. Those other groups should've picked better bases. Catacombs? A broken down airport? Yeah you can go fuck yourselves.
>>317569561
There's a cult robe lying around a little here and there, and plenty or swords and knives.
>>317569462
I took him with me. Even if he ain't a real kid, I'm gonna be a real parent to himbecause I never got to be one ;_;
>>317569561
There's a church where some hostile ghoul is wearing pastor clothing. It has pretty good attributes too.
>>317569032
>Not a mutant, and needed a child to study for their synths. Which is fucking weird because they have children in the Institute and you get the impression that everyone is "pure" there.
They're not, you're explained that the MIT staff was still tainted during the Great war and that they started digging underground only after the bombs fell
>Danse tells me being in the Brotherhood of Steel is akin to being in the army
>Tell him "I know what it's like, I used to be in the army"
>"Oh, OK then."
The army hasn't existed for 200 years and this 30-something year old guy claims to have been in it, and he just straight up isn't interested at all.
>>317565536
X) You're a mutt.
>>317571008
He doesn't care about your faggy life story, he's a Paladin. You are beneath him.
Does building more than one artillery in one settlement increase the shells fired when using artillery strike? I like shelling riders and supermutants, even if the barrages are inaccurate as fuck.
>>317537626
/thread
>>317562508
The melee in this game is clunky shit even worse than Skyrim anyway, it would have sucked dick.
>>317566558
This, jesus christ.
>>317537275
>add a selectable backstories/occupations to character creation so you have some role playing options, could literally be just a paragraph or two
>son gets kidnapped
>sole survivor ventures into the wasteland to find their missing child
>if you don't join the institute you never find out that Father is Shaun
>railroad's questline has you kill him and you don't find out who he was until after he dies
>BoS' questing you find out who he is right before you kill him and you can choose to either kill him, spare him, or convince him to leave the institute with you
>if you join the institute you learn who he is halfway along the quest line and can choose to follow the quest line normally, convince him to leave the institute with you or convince him to dismantle the institute
And that's how you fix the fallout 4 story
[Spoiler]I haven't even played the game yet
>>317551980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8akM5pAlNg
>>317569082
yes
>>317571132
Isn't the protag a hero of Anchorage though? You would think that the BoS would be interested in him if that is the case. Like he might have actually met or served with their founder or something.
>>317570396
>wanting to deal with a 10 year old shit for the rest of your life
>>317571267
>no option to kill everyone
It's shit.
>>317571289
Is this going to be the new "I never asked for this"?
But jesus christ Bethesda, why you need to write like a Sith.
>>317571462
Gen 3 are organic, presumably he'll age
>>317555360
Those dreams scared the fuck out of me.
For all the emphasis they put into their shitty voice protagonist, you feel more like a cardboard cutout rather than a character.
And the companions may as well not exist after their associated quests. The fact that I can have an in-depth discussion with Maxson about how all Synths need to die while Nick picks his nose is hilarious.
>>317571746
The artwork for FO1/2 spooked me in general as a kid.
>sure preston i'll help you out with this castle thing and getting your shit back together
>Aight let's go
>go clean out the castle
>about to leave and go on with my life
>You're now the general, have fun micromanaging like 10+ settlers who have absolutely 0 ability to do anything for themselves
>mfw
What the fuck Preston I got shit to do, I can't babysit your fucking settlements.
>end up having to banish him to bumfuck nowhere and avoiding the minuteman radio so my quest menu doesn't get clustered in shitty chores
>>317571767
>The fact that I can have an in-depth discussion with Maxson about how all Synths need to die while Nick picks his nose is hilarious.
i think that's kind of the point. nick doesn't give a FUCK
Nick has so much charisma and bluff that literally noone, not a single person has or will ever give a solitary heck that he's a Synth
he's literally the greatest exception ever created
>>317571941
>everyone in diamond city hates and fears synths
>people still love the synth detective
He's just a snowflake.
>>317572056
They hate synths because they look exactly like people and often replace real people. Nick is falling apart is very obviously not a person so no one cares.
>>317572056
What do they hate and fear about synths, anon?
That answer is the same as why they accept Nick.
>>317571695
No there is a chat between npcs in the Institute that talks about how making a kid synth who can't age is messed up. Maybe he can mature but he's always going to have that body.
>>317571447
Jeez, that'd be something. Imagine the look on Maxson's face on the prydwen
>My name is Arthur Maxson, Elder of the Brotherhood blah blah
>Maxson, huh? Served with a Roger Maxson couple months--I mean couple centuries ago
>>317563812
That's why I shot the fucker. Told him I'd give the evac code, then shot him in the back of the goddamn head, spraying his brains all over his stupid Apple(tm) walls.
Just going to make a new family with Piper, and raise them in the Brotherhood of Steel.
>>317556547
Whatever you say, underage.
>>317572186
Oh really? Damn that sucks I guessStill though, Synth shaun really helps my character cope. It's the only thing she has left and preventing her from ODing on Med-X to escape the pain
>>317553965
>Fallout 3
>you're a kid looking for their parent
>Fallout 4
>you're a parent looking for their kid
BRILLIANT
>>317572217
>Maxson, huh? Served with a Roger Maxson couple months--I mean couple centuries ago
tfw I added a Maxson NPC in Operation Anchorage because I'm autistic
Does the Railroad even have a future plan for the Commonwealth beyond making every synth, computer, and toaster free from their oppressors?
Or are they leaving all of the real work to the Minutemen?
I don't see any reason to side with them over going fully Minutemen or BoS.
>>317554457
The hardware store he wants you to go to is only like a block away too.
>>317571560
I suppose that could be added as an independent ending
>make use of the more fleshed out companions in the game, you can form your own posse depending on how many you meet
>they somehow have ties to each of the factions, although they are no longer part of them
>learn things about them from outside opinions, you can choose to leave certain factions entirely alone, change them through either diplomacy or violence, or completely eradicate them
Alternatively
>stumble upon a faction of assassins/mercs
>you get sent to kill people across the wasteland and eventually destroy or sabatoge the other factions
>at the end you can either remain loyal to the faction or kill the leader and become the head yourself, or totally destroy the faction
Of course this implies that Bethesda would actually do some work for once
>>317551242
BoS has you actually progress through the ranks properly though
>>317572372
You know, come to think of it, you'd think the sole survivor would react to pretty much everything a little more considering they go from things being all modern and clean to completely FUBAR the next day. All of their friends and family are long dead, most burned alive by nuclear fire, and the world is much different, populated by crazy ass creatures and fucked up people. I think Bethesda didn't explore those kinds of reactions near enough. It's also a problem in 3 but this comes off as much more jarring due to the stripped roleplaying elements as it is.
>>317572519
>>stumble upon a faction of assassins/mercs
Gunners could work with that. Always wanted to head a merc outfit in fallout
>>317572513
Why haven't they looted the paint and mixer already?
Why can't they make their own paint yet?
>>317572217
Even better would be if you casually said something deprecating of him accidentally without knowing how big a deal he is to them.
Like;
"Maxson hey? That jackass still owes me $50. That whores didn't buy herself. Don't care that she ended up being 'The one' for him. So what am I looking at with accrued interest here?"
>>317572539
>tfw my character is a drug addict with weapons that do more damage the more addictions I have
My character is coping well, I think. Now I'm going to fuck Cait raw-dog and rob some bitches, then pass out in my own bubbling, green vomit.
>>317550320
The Brotherhood are the remnants of a splinter faction of the USM that declared secession days before the bombs fell because they discovered the Forced Evolutionary Virus. They don't give a shit that you were with the military; they don't and never have considered themselves part of the USM. In fact as of Fallout 1 they don't even have a record of why they seceded from the USA in the first place.
>>317572626
It just sucks because there aren't really a lot of effective ways to roleplay being a druggie fuck in the game other than just doing a lot of drugs. It's like bethesda wanted to go with having a pre-defined character but half assed it really hard
>>317550637
You kinda broke the questline then. If you actually did BoS early, you can't progress their questline until finishing Fort Hagen, and they give you 2-3 more full fledged quests after clearing Cambridge Police Station
>>317572592
Yeah there's definitely not enough options that allow you to like, explore or elaborate on shit that happened before the war. Shit, you'd figure the BoS would be all over your dick, since you just might know how all this power armor works, or how to build whatever device they have a hard on over.
>>317572657
Not even in the sense that this guy probably dealt with pre-war tech that they may have forgotton about?
I'm not saying they need to completely splooge over it, but you would think they would be something more than ambivalent about it.
>>317564756
It would be pretty cool if Bethesda stopped completely invalidating any character design with shit like that.. The stats don't affect roleplaying in the slightest, it's mind boggling.
>>317572819
As of FO4 the Brotherhood is pretty much at the peak of the US's pre-War Military strength though, they've got Power Armor, a nuclear arsenal, and the Prydwen.
NV BoS would be riding the Sole Survivor's dick, but the East Coast BoS is doing well enough for themselves regardless.
Also, since the Commonwealth has open trade with a Vault, the Brotherhood doesn't give two shits about your Pip-Boy, which was more important in Fallout 3.
Why is it that no one can seem to grasp the fact that while the institute may replace a few people here and there, it is not nearly as common as people believe and we don't even know what they do with the original people for all we know what they do with the originals since that subject is never mentioned in game.
>all these options to foil the Institute's plans when playing the other factions
>no way to ruin the other factions' plans
>can't bring Paladin Danse back to the Institute, but instead you're forced to say shit like "HES A HUMAN THOUGH"
For fucks sake.
>>317572589
Base building would make a ton more sense that way other than just building settlements for people
>build mercenary bases that need to be well defended from other groups
>you can enlist people and carve out territory in the wastes as you advance up the ladder, you get resources from whichever group you join
>you can choose to do it solo, but it makes it much harder to find recruits, materials, weapons etc.
>have to make sure your soldiers are well equipped, well fed, etc
>you can raid other bases with groups of mercenaries to get resources or capture the base, sort of like in the skyrim civil war quests, except actually interesting
>you can send lieutenants to raid bases for you later on as your group grows
Fuck, this is actually starting to sound really fun, wish I had the skills to mod this in
>>317573087
That's wrong. The Institute explicitly has synths that assassinate individuals and take over their lives, and it's mentioned that roaming broken synths have slaughtered whole towns hunting for scrap to repair themselves.
On top of that, the Institute is sitting on a whole bunch of FEV
>>317572990
Fair enough to an extent I guess. But you would think they would at least address that via some dialogue.
Even just a "So you don't care I served at Anchorage?" or whatever, and they can just reply "No we're good. You can go now.".
It just seems lazy.
>>317572990
>As of FO4 the Brotherhood is pretty much at the peak of the US's pre-War Military strength though
I feel like that's really wrong. US army would have far superior logistics, numbers, and probably better commanders as well. As far as post war factions go the eastern BoS is probably top 3 in the world but they'd get dumpstered by the real Army
>>317542708
they are making dishonored 2
>>317573274
But the only evidence that the institute has the synths kill the person they are replacing is that random encounter with that Art guy and a Synth version and that encounter has zero context so we don't even know if it is the institutes handiwork.
Plus the only two actually confirmed cases of the institute replacing someone one was so they could keep an eye on the biggest city in the commonwealth and the other was so they could test some shit they couldn't test in their labs.
and again those roaming broken old synths are probably malfunctioning rejects that the institute no longer cares about and since they have a 'who gives a shit' attitude towards things that don't affect them they just leave them
>not playing as a Blade Runner
I bet you kiss synths too
>>317573087
>Goodneighbor security gun down a synth who replaced a citizen
>Run into Arty and Arty shooting at each other claiming the other is a synth
>Or you can encounter them with real Arty holding synth Arty at gun point, if you pass the interrogate speech check the synth asks "You're with the institute right? Help me kill this guy so I can get to work."
>Your own settlers can be replaced with synths
Fuck off, Institute shill.
>>317574038
Nigga go to University point, the Institute killed everyone in that town just because some girl found a powerful Prewar fusion cell
Also in the Bioscience division of the Institute you can read their own reports about how they replaced farmers and killed settlements on their own computers
>>317572990
>and the Prydwen
That's as much of an asset as a mobile gas chamber that you put all of your personnel in.
>>317572219
You can't make a new family, the radiation got to your testicles.
>>317543790
Bethesda goes for the "desolate wasteland" setting which makes for better gameplay and exploration. Obsidian's "society is rebuilding" setting makes for better everything else.
This game is just fallout 3: Boston edition with the new Vegas plot. Since 3 and Vegas had totally different settings, nothing meshes together well.
What Bethesda should have done was made diamond city a New Vegas tier settlement and the center of life in the commonwealth, and have two other smaller settlements. They then play up the threat of radiation storms and make regions of the map like I-15. This creates the mood that the place is just too hostile an environment for humanity to thrive.
Sideline the whole synth plot line since it sucks. The minuteman keep their role of being the people's militia trying to make the commonwealth a safe place to live. The institute's actions are presented as more evil (think nazi scientist type of group). The railroad is fighting the institute. The brotherhood's role is that they stabilized the capital wasteland and have come to control the commonwealth (rather than hurr durr kill all abominations).
>>317568829
It does make sense tho.
You need to gain as much intel and trust as you can so you can strike from within and save as many synths as possible..
But it had so much potential for cool spy missions and sabotage ...but noooo all we get is the option to go in guns blazing.
>>317574247
>find a terminal listing people cooperating with the institute throughout the commonwealth
>can't rat them out
I just wanted to see Hancock deliver some more Goodneighbor-style justice.
>>317546094
getting into BoS faction in New Vegas wasn't an easy task
>>317537626
Fucking savage
>>317575017
And they only really worked with 2 factions
NCR if you can convince them and independent.
I still hold that House could be convinced but it was cut from the game.
>>317551242
the other alternative to this in Bethesda games is everyone acting like a complete dick to you even though you just saved their lives and are kitted out in the best gear possible
Also, why are 80% of the assholes in Fallout 4 women?
>>317575181
>I still hold that House could be convinced but it was cut from the game.
There's a mod to restore that option to the main game. They even had the fucking audio files for it but for some reason cut it from the game.
I guess they removed it because otherwise everyone would've gone with House.
I think you need 80 speech to convince House though.
>>317574621
Exactly. That is the thing Beth never got, Fallout isn't supposed to be a desolate wasteland. It was post post-apocalypse.
Sure there was plenty of areas that were not built back up, but the majority of your gameplay was in places that had or were continuing to rebuild, and had functioning societies.
Areas you scavenged in actually felt like they had already been picked through for good stuff, so unless you found something buried away or hidden behind security, you weren't really going to find anything significant.
Beth's version of Fallout is fine if like I said it was set earlier in the time line. Like pre-F1. So all this scavenging, and actually finding stuff, makes sense. As does the ramshackle communities that are there but not properly established.
They just need to get their shit together lore-wise, and actually think logically about what would still be left to scavenge 200+ years after the bombs dropped.
Hell if they made a Fallout somewhat akin to the concept of Tactics, in that you are given a mission, go to a separate map, complete it and come back, that could work. Like you join a scavenging team that is tasked with specifically finding undiscovered treasures outside of whatever civilization has been established. And I mean well outside, not a 5 minute walk. Think having to get in a Vertibird or other transport.
Would have also worked with this new focus on FPS combat that they seem to have.
>>317575321
Most likely because Beth are hacks and think strong woman who can survive in the wasteland means asshole.
However that would partially make some sense though as you would think all this surviving hardened people up and being an asshole just because a second nature coping mechanism.
>>317572219
>Not banging the shit out of Curie.
>>317575579
>being an asshole just because a second nature coping mechanism.
If anything it would be detrimental to you since you would become a liability to any bigger social group if you get into fights with everyone.
It might be okay if you're a raider and run with other assholes, but a rag-tag band of undisciplined raiders is no match for a well-trained and disciplined civilian militia.
>>317575402
>They just need to get their shit together lore-wise, and actually think logically about what would still be left to scavenge 200+ years after the bombs dropped.
This so hard. You have to be all kinds of braindead to believe the area would be in the state it's in after 200 years. But if it was something like 30-50 years it'd be relatively believable.
>>317564315
>and an obviously self-written obituary that makes you feel like a piece of shit
Does doing the Mass Fusion quest lock you out of the Brotherhood ending?
>>317542870
>new vegas wasn't that great and it really underperformed
>>317575804
I can see what you mean, and that would be something interesting to explore in game. I would love to have to unify an area that has a bunch of individual assholes living on their own, slowly being whittled away by raiders. And the kicker being that not all of them would be beneficial to try and unify. But I think we would need more than 4 dialogue options to properly flesh something like that out.
>>317575846
That is my biggest gripe with F3. I had fun with it, despite its flaws, but I just couldn't reconcile that time frame.
I imagine that they thought since they got the license it had to be a #3 to get people interested. And because of that had to be set after the events of F2/Tactics. Even though DC is far enough away from where F2 takes place that it could have lived out its game as 50 years after the bombs and not conflicted with F1/2.
I don't like how this is set 200 years after yet everybody acts like they know prewar shit. Its like being in the army, a normal cow with 2 heads, all this shit yet since they were born its been a wasteland.
>>317569275
People always seem to forget that karma effects whether or not Cass will follow you.
>>317576484
It's been a long time since I played 3 but I don't remember the time frame being AS jarring because they don't really bring it up directly, but in 4 they're constantly harping on the fact that it's been 200 years.
>>317551471
that's gonna be DLC
>>317553662
I honestly don't understand why the Railroad is against the Minutemen, or vice versa. They don't have conflicting ideologies, it doesn't make sense to me that they can't come to an understanding
>>317566172
>Dude we're trying to test how great we are at making fake humans by convincing them they're people and putting them in settlements with humans
>by the way did we mention we see these things as identical to protectrons? Yeah we need them to fix pipes and sweep up trash.
>Tell him I'll work for him
>He tells me about a classified mission no human other than me and him know about
>"somehow" BoS is there when we get there
>I kill no BoS, our opponent
>The synths he wanted die
>His courser also dies
>Asks me what went wrong
>I say "Does it even matter?"
>He says "Yes!" yet never asks for a real explanation
>I'm STILL named his successor after this AND having two of his scientists put to death
I swear the game only gets fun when you begin to manipulate the horrible factions into soaking up as much experience from each group possible before arbitrarily nuking someone.
>>317542870
>it really underperformed
that's some Dane Cook tier comedy.
>>317577006
F3 is a good 35 years after the events of F2. But at least 150+ since the war.
And takes place pretty much the same time as New Vegas according to the wiki. Been forever since I played them so I had to check.
Unless it was concealed, in the middle of a zone that is still heavily radiated for some unknown reason, or behind some super security made to last, it pretty much should have already been picked clean by this point.
It was just silly.
>>317577291
Would have had to have been repeated in ALL CAPS to infer shouting to be Dane Cook comedy.
Despite Fallout 4's issues, I really enjoyed the Glowing Sea.
>>317574798
The stuff with Z1-14 had so much potential. You could do so much cool stuff with the premise of basically being the inside man on this THX-1138 prison break, covering for the synths as they move men and materiel, feeding information back to the Railroad but also trying to maintain your cover, feeling out the loyalties and stances of your Institute colleagues. You could make an entire game out of that practically
>>317567712
>he called me out on my ebin greenpost so i'm gonna nitpick instead of trying to counter his main argument
:^)
>>317576484
>Even though DC is far enough away from where F2 takes place that it could have lived out its game as 50 years after the bombs and not conflicted with F1/2
and knowing Bethesda we would've still had the Enclave and Jet in DC
>>317574950
Even that caravan trader regularly going to Sanctury is an Institute rat and you can't do or say anything
>>317578249
Enclave I could live with. As long as they were like where the Enclave originally hid or something. And at the end of the game they pack up their shit and move east, and we know what happens from there.
I can understand them being hesitant to make what constitutes a prequel though since they had just gotten the license, and did so specifically so they could make 'Fallout 3'. But really they should have bit the bullet at gone for a prequel/reboot or something first instead of a numbered sequel.
So why does your kid look like an old fart but cornflakes is still the same as in his flashbacks?
>>317578657
Move west. Not east. Probably an indicator it is time for sleep.
>>317577556
I agree, the glowing sea was neat
>>317578656
God dammit I almost felt betrayed for a split second.
>>317578656
Can't you kill them?
>>317578667
Because he's a cyborg.
Bethesda's Fallout games are basically Elder Scrolls - Nuclear Edition. More combat and exploration focused with only a token plot to tie it all together.
Obsidian are more concerned with telling intertwined stories and building characters. But aren't as fun.
>>317578858
oh probably, didn't thought about it because she's the easiest way for me to dump legendary items I don't care about
>>317579185
>But aren't as fun.
Beth drones always talk about "exploring" but what do you explore exactly? Search through copy-pasted factories and look for pre-war trash?
>Muh skeletons tell me a story.
Why do all the unique weapons have such piss poor modification options? I want to modify the alien blaster all the way into a rifle, or make the cryloator actually worth something
>>317580243
>found a nearly maxed-out sniper rifle
>took all the mods off of it and put them on Reba II
>I ain't even got the perks to make those mods
Too bad it's still useless and Mirelurks can eat a bag of dicks.
>>317537626
It's the best fallout game since 2. Already clocked 120 hours and I can't wait for dlc so i can throw more money at Bethesda. Mods are going to be great too, if they would just hurry up and release the GECK.
>>317580571
Just shoot em in the face you big blueberry ape.
>>317581486
A prototype for Fo4Edit has been released, I'm gonna create a mod and release it as soon as my workshift is over
>>317581486
>best since fallout 2
>never played NV
ok bub
>>317561768
Mine looked like this
>>317581486
>best fallout since 2
Mah nigga.
I'm replaying Fallout 2 once I'm done with 4.
>>317581486
>I can't wait for dlc so i can throw more money at Bethesda
hello friendly bethesda marketeer
>>317537626
S A V A G E
>>317581775
>he thinks NV is better than FO2
>Kill everyone on the prydwen before the final mission
>Father still asks me to destroy a bunch of generator and defend a synth so Liberty Prime can shoot down an empty air ship
Get it together Todd.
Anon, do you have a geiger counter?
>>317582057
how is the story of FO4 better than the one in NV? you have no options at all in 4
Who else wants to put their dick inside the merchant who hates sinths in Diamond City. Malta or whatever her name is.
>>317569312
I played Railroad because the Minutemen ending involves nuking the Institute, the Institute involves Nuking the Brotherhood, the Brotherhood involves nuking the institute.
Railroad just wants to smuggle out synths. It even requires you to play nice with the institute (something the minuteman ending doesn't).
I was hoping that as director of the Institute, I could lead some grand compromise. Of course then plot railroading happen and the Railroad ending was legitimately the worst as you wiped out both other factions.
>>317566558
Its actually worse than that.
The gen 3s are mostly biological. They are only part robot.
>>317573087
Its mentioned multiple times in the game. Its also explicitly witnessed.
>>317537275
Father becomes a more likable character, if only a bit, if you bite the bullet and join the institute. You get a bit more time with him. Not defending the game, just saying.
I hate the factions in this game, but Institute was the most enjoyable for me just because you get grenades to summon robot minions where ever you go and some shadow organization mission/bladerunner missions. Brotherhood of steel was my first option but was a little lackluster besides swarming the institute with basically 40k-lite lasgun guardsmen and space marines. After that it was boring though.
>Three of the factions end with nuking the commonwealth
>the only one that doesn't involves abducting innocent people for experimentation and replacing them with synths
I thought the institute ending would let me tell the rest of the researchers to stop abducting people and instead take blood samples from willing subjects but the game doesn't allow it.
Joining factions should be about picking which one is the best but here it feels like no matter who you pick you're fucking the commonwealth over.
>>317583345
Pretty much. They should let you modify policy and give you pros and cons on decisions like that. Like you can choose to let synths keep escaping, but as far as I can tell it doesn't change anything.
>>317582731
Any plot is better than the one in NV.
>so yeah you got shot in the head point blank and survived
>lol time for revenge
>plot twist, you were actually carrying a chip that makes security robots stronger
10/10 best plot ever! Obsidian did it again
>>317575402
>It was post post-apocalypse.
Stop sucking Avellone's dick. Fuck, he didn't even work on Fallout 1 Read the back of the box for 1 or 2. Guess what they call it? And literally no one wants to play a post-post-apocalypse game about building homes and establishing a competent government
>>317583878
I take it you never played Fallout 2, where its all about urban issues (elitist Vault Dwellers, NCR expansion, drug abuse in cities)
>>317583345
>>317583345
>but here it feels like no matter who you pick you're fucking the commonwealth over.
Did you even pay attention? When you join the Institute you have the choice to send the message that you want to help people or control them.
If you look around the Institute and talk to the scientist you can see the progress they made, clearly showing that they are the best chance the world has of being recreated again.
And they are not really abducting people. Most of it is just people going paranoid.
There is one of the scientist that send synths to take important roles on the surface though, but they dont "replace" anyone.
In one of the quests you even go after one guy that is supposed to be a big help as a scientist and the guy later thanks you for getting him there.
By the way, I think the Institute ending is canon as it kinda closes the series. As the world renovation plan is in progress i'm guessing it would be the last game in the series.
"If people could just stop loving New Vegas so I can stop feeling like I have to like it when I don't"
"FO4 is what 3 and NV should've been. Well, barring the stupid things they messed up."
Quotes from actual living people.
>>317583878
Yeah I am sure that is why it got a sequel with all those themes in it like >>317584104
said.
You understand that post post-apocalypse is still a post-apocalypse right?
If you can't see the differences between F3/4 and F1/2/NV then that is your issue friend. And as I said there is no issue with both types of game, but only one is proper Fallout unless Beth want to correct their time frames to make some sense.
>>317583878
>games have always been about ethics and how society rebuilds itself after nuclear disaster
>NO EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE SHITTY AND BROKEN
Go home, Todd
Does anyone else feel like the Power Armour thing was handled half-assed like everything else in the game.
For one the recoil of guns is the same in Power Armour. You still get staggered by Ghouls and Melee weapons. Poison from Bloatflies and Bloodsuckers still affect you etc. The only thing it does is give you more protection really.
And my biggest gripe is the seperation between the Armour itself and its frame. It makes no sense that the T-45, T.51, T-60 and X-01 use the same base frame. Something as advanced as the X-01 would not use the same Frame like the T-45 especially when all the Power of the PA comes from the Frame itself and the Armour now is just Metal slapped onto it. It removes the differences between the Armours really.
>>317584236
>There is one of the scientist that send synths to take important roles on the surface though, but they dont "replace" anyone.
they do, read the terminals in the Institute
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