>Brotherhood of Steel are the bad guys
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>>315552451
Great, can't wait to smack the shit out of them.
Well, they were the good guys in the previous game... Bethesdas got to make it look different somehow.
Are power armors something that you can wear only for a limited amount of time or is it just like PA from the previous games?
>>315552451
They've always been bad guys. Tech worshippers who would rather hog it all to themselves than use it to better the wasteland.
>>315552451
The Brotherhood of Steel were always fucking assholes, it was Fallout 3 which made them goody two shoes for no reason. Having them as villains will actually be kind of cool.
>>315552560
edgy
>>315552772
>They've always been bad guys.
Did you play fallout 2? Did you play fallout 3?
i can't believe people are defending bethesda's fucking with the lore this much
>>315552451
I hope that's not the T-60 power armor. This is retarded
>>315552451
If by bad guys you mean want the Institute's tech hoard then sure. They'll probably work with the Railroad to bring down the current Institute if they are under Lyons. If not, they'll probably just be a peripheral ally/enemy.
>>315552718
The power armor is more like a vehicle it requires fusion cores but you can use it as long as you have cores
>>315552718
You can wear them forever, but if you run out of fusion core/power you move at a slower rate and cannot power attack.
>>315552838
3 was already a lore rape by having the BoS be white knights in shining armor.
>tfw bostonfag
>tfw finally a game in our shitty city
>People criticize Fallout 3 for making BOS the good guys
>People criticize Fallout 4 for making BOS the bad guys
>>315552451
Can I at least join them? If I have to fight them then this game is already shit.
>>315552451
Surely I can keep to my edgelord ways and side with them, right?
>>315552451
I've always been neutral with the brotherhood. Fighting them is fun as fuck, I'm expecting some good battles against them with the new Power Armour mechanics.
Hopefully I get to pull some one out of their armour and beat them to death.
>>315552451
Uh, isn't there an achievement to join them? They can't be the designated 'bad guys' if you can join them.
>>315552772
>They've always been bad guys.
They weren't in Fallout 3 or New Vegas
>>315552451
The Brotherhood Chapter in the Capital Wasteland went off mission to help the locals, the usual brotherhood are tech grabbing assholes who don't give a shit about anyone or anything besides tech.
>>315552924
>>315552918
That sounds stupid.
Is there at least a variety of PAs?
Or is it just the stuff in OP's image?
I've been completely neglecting to pay any attention to Fallout 4 ever since it was first mentioned.
>New Vegas was developed in under 2 years
>New factions
>New enemy types
>Old factions have evolved from their classic roots, basically new groups entirely
>Fallout 3 and 4
>Hurr remember mutants and brotherhood?
>Don't you love brand recognition?
>>315552964
>tfw DCfag
>tfw air and space museum had jack shit to do with the real one
pretty mad desukara~ sensei~
>Implying
'bad' is a relative term
>>315552451
makes sense if destroy them in fo3 but in reality they are always bad guys taking technology from others
They didn't come off as particularly good or bad to me. Either way, I'm going to join them. They look like the most badass faction.
>>315552981
You mean /v/.
There's no pleasing this board.
>>315552838
Did you even play Fallout 1 or New Vegas or even Tactics, which by the way is considered semi-canon?
In Fallout 1 they send you on a suicide mission intending for you to die and end up completely surprised you survive, in Tactics they form a fascist dictatorship over the tribes they conquer in exchange for protection from Robots and in New Vegas they slip a fucking slave collar on you and force you to do work for them before they accept you.
They're barely there in 2, just small outposts here and there and they're lore breaking white knights in 3.
>>315552997
Achievement list
>>315553039
>pull one out of their armor and beat them to death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTLMjHrb_w4
How were they the bad guys in Fallout 1 you fucking idiots?
>>315553068
>implying they don't put an exploding collar on your neck the moment they see you
>>315553050
>They can't be the designated 'bad guys' if you can join them.
What? You could join NCR in New vegas.
Yeah no, the institute is, did you even listen to the trailer???
>>315553080
>full retard
theyre dickheads
im gonna go out on a limb and assume you enjoyed having the BoS forced on to you in fallout 3
>>315553080
No clue. There is a perk specifically for armor mods, and the E3 video showed a montage of various parts.
You can also give them a paint job
Its not just head, body, arm and leg. Its head, body, left and right arms, left and right legs. 6 parts you can equip individually.
>>315552451
IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING.
Modern fallout fans confirmed for idiots
>>315553084
What a dumb argument you just fabricated.
>>315553068
None of the factions in NV were good or bad, that's one of the things I love the most about it, it's morally ambiguous and there's no black and white good and evil bullshit like in FO3
>>315553139
>>315553204
>le slave collar = bad!
>implying it wasn't standard procedure
>implying they didn't free you later
>implying they didn't need you to help retrieve the tags of lost comrades
>>315552981
>People who played the earlier Fallouts and knew who the BoS were criticized them in F3
>People who's first Fallout game was F3 and don't know any better criticize F4 because they've only ever known them as the good guys
BOS are not the bad guys.
More like Natural guys.
I will not touch FO4
they killed it for me, I never want to touch a Bethesdass game again
nuke them, and fuck Todd, fucking slimey Jewish acolyte
>>315552814
>no raisin
the east coast brotherhood split into two factions, breh. only a few of them wanted to stay and help the people in DC
>you can 'join' then
>implying it wont be a splinter group of 3 of them in a shack who plot to kill the rest of thebrotherhood. again.
>>315553068
>New Vegas
>not the bad guys
Are you kidding me? Maybe not the main antagonist but they were still proper assholes. They were huge idiots, constantly bickering and full of hubris, and they tried to kill you on multiple occasions. All for stupid reasons I might add. There may have been a few good people in the BoS, but as an organization it was ineffective and selfish.
>>315553341
What a dumb rebuttal you just fabricated.prove him wrong, faggot.
>>315553341
Please tell me how I'm wrong, Todd.
>>315552838
Did you play fallout 1?
They tried to kill you for shits and giggles when you first try to join them.
"Yeah, go to the Glow. If you come back you're in."
Plus they're fascists . I mean they're not the worst out there but they're definitely not good guys.
>>315553139
>lore breaking
Fallout Tactics: BoS is semi canon too, dumbass.
>>315552451
>BoS
>Not colossal cunts
Yeah, I'm sure the whole "we're the only ones responsible enough to deal with technology" deal is completely benign and can't go horribly wrong.
>>315553192
God damn that shit is still as nerve wrecking as it was 12 years ago.
>>315553192
You tryna trigger me, nigga?
>>315552814
Technically it was a break off faction of the BoS in F3. They did some really "un-BoS" tactics like interacting and recruiting locals to achieve their goals. They're supposed to basically ignore the natives, gather pre-war tech and hoard it for themselves.
They're like chaotic neutrals.
>Fallout 3
>Brotherhood of Steel splits
>Ones that are doing their job and hoarding tech are called outcasts
>Ones that being white knights and wasting tech are called the normal ones
I don't get it.
>>315553506
>>315553556
There's nothing to prove wrong, you're just implying that it can't work.
>>315552838
To be fair with 3, Beth kind of admitted they fucked up by including the Outcasts who were back to neutral and who actively disliked the regular BoS in the east being good guys.
>>315552838
>fallout 2?
where they are pricks who assist you mostly via cumstance?
> Did you play fallout 3?
You mean the game where the BoS chapter was disowned on the grounds they helped people?
>My first game was Fallout 3
BoS are dicks, they have always been dicks.
>>315553646
IT JUST WORKS
>>315553562
>they're definitely not good guys.
They're neutral.
>>315553654
Please pre-order your Vault boy dildo pack so uncle Todd can lull you to sleep.
It's not like that factions can't have different moral alignments or purposes based on the city they reside in considering communication seems to be difficult over long distances.
>>315553203
They really weren't that bad in FO 1 or 2. In New Vegas they were huge assholes, much more than the first two games. I think it was obsidian's way of saying fuck you to Bethesda for turning them into white knights in 3. Hopefully they're back to being assholes, but not being outright hateable or evil.
the power armor looks fucking amazing ttytt
>>315552451
At least i hope its something more morally grey, instead of just "A side bad, B side good" like Fallout 3.
Can someone please fucking explain this "brotherhood are le bad guys" meme? I've played through the original fallout 3 times now and always thought they were pretty decent. I suppose the initial "quest" was a dick move, but they really turned out to be a positive force in the wasteland.
>>315553821
Retaliate with shitposting, genius.
>>315553808
They just hoard tech and if someone tries to destroy their tech they freak out and kill them
>>315553859
I REALLY hope so too. The idea of synths in general is really morally gray, but I feel like Bethesda won't be able to pull it off without black and white writing. If obsidian had this, it would probably be top notch.
>>315553646
It deals with majorities.
If the larger chunk in the capital wasteland decides that being white knights is a good thing, and a few traditionalists fuckoff because of it, who do you think gets to declare who what.
>>315553939
Don't listen to the retards ITT saying that BoS are bad.
In new vegas they were just fine.
>>315553398
FO3 was my first fallout and understood that the BoS were dicks.
>>315554007
New Vegas isn't canon though.
>>315553787
It's amazing to see how much of /v/ comprise of children who started with Fallout 3. I mean, Fallout 4 is going to suck anyway, but not because the Brotherhood are in an antagonistic role, which frankly is one of the better ideas Bethesda has had for the series. The only reason they ever helped you in the previous games, barring 3, is by pure circumstance and because there is a greater threat on the horizon, whether it be the Master's army, the Enclave or NCR and House wanting their heads.
>>315554007
They were more reserved in NV, they were not good or bad, they kept to themselves.
>>315553939
If not bait, play 1 and 2.
>>315554067
b8ing this hard
>>315552964
>tfw pittfag
>tfw every time it appears in a game it looks just like it does in real life.
>tfw every game it is in features some sort of apocalypse
>>315553939
Not really. It's just that most other factions are outright evil.
The only real good people at the end of fallout 1 is the NCR. Brotherhood's a bunch of elitist pricks that'll casually kill anyone who's not one of their own, kind of like the military today.
>>315553960
If you knew the first thing about FO 1 or 2 you would understand the point I was making before senpai. But have fun up there on your pedestal. :)
There's a lot of mediocre stuff in this game it seems, but the UI is truly TERRIBLE. Amazing how that's what they're going with
>>315554095
Can you not read? I've played through the original fallout multiple times. The Brotherhood did nothing wrong.
>>315553192
that was so fucking bad it was hilarious
>people actually think this is spoopy
wew lad
>>315553939
They're not really bad guys, but they're not good either. They're isolationists that kill anything that looks like it wants to use anything more than a fucking spear to hunt with.
>>315554113
lel, get some preparation h for that buttpain brah.
>>315553646
There were more people in the group that wanted to help people. Loyalty to their leader.
Plus the brotherhood back west technically didn't remove lyons from command, they will gladly take him back if they were to bring them something worthwhile, and if they all die out then no loss of resources. They are just ignoring any requests they make.
>>315552924
Wonder if you'll be able to refuel infinitely at the cities. If you can only find it around or buy at merchants that would mean a hard cap on the time available to use power armor.
Friendly reminder to filter the word "Todd" if you want to actually discuss Fallout
>>315554157
>UI is truly terrible
Pretty sick of this meme
Flat is in. Go take your overdesigned 90's crap elsewhere.
>>315553963
They hoard tech to prevent other disasters, and defend themselves from attackers
They're neutral
>>315553084
>what is the Railroad
>what is the Institute
>what is the Commenwealth Minutemen
At least critizice Bethesda for the actual things they messed up
>>315553137
Hero of justice for male character, crazy psychopath for second run as female. Best way to run things.
>>315554210
this
>that one fucking retard who keeps spamming his pictures thinking he's a comedic genius
we get it. todd lies.
>>315553137
bad news m8no factions
>>315554279
Seriously though, yes it's flat but fuck man I could make that shit in MS paint.
>>315553389
>standard procedure
>It's a standard procedure to attach an explosive slave collar to anyone who comes to see you and force them to do your bidding
>They couldn't have just sent one of their own men to do that shit instead of you.
>If they were worried that you found their base they could have just kept their door locked and you wouldn't have known they were in there
So we can all agree that East Coast BoS>West Coast right? They were fucking retards in New Vegas and are almost irrelevant in the NCR, since they are small in numbers and dying out. Meanwhile the FO3 BoS grows everyday, won multiple wars against the Enclave keks and stole their tech, help people, have an air force base with multiple vertibirds, and have a fucking giant robot.
>>315554135
>I'll tell him he didn't play the original fallouts, that'll show him
You still have yet to tell me why it's a crime to reuse old factions.
ok
so cats are now alive again
there are robots everywhere stripping towns of parts
brotherhood of steel are the bad guys
the institute are now the good guys
the railroad is now helping the bad guys
and.... just what the fuck?
>Make BoS good
OMG BETHESDA, STOOPID. THEY R SELF SERVING DICKS
>Make BoS bad
OMG BETHESDA, STOOPID. THEY R JUST PROTECTING THE WASTELAND
>Make BoS ambiguous
OMG BETHESDA, STOOPID. THE BOS IS OBVIOUSLY GOOD/BAD. PLAY FALLOUT 1 & 2 DUMMIES
Can't win with /v/ desu.
>>315554446
>They couldn't have just sent one of their own men to do that shit instead of you.
Did you even read anything in that entire story line?
Making your own settlement sounds rad. I hope I can add a bunch of colorful NPCs to keep around providing useful services and even provide quests, as well as a waifu.
Wait a second... isn't the Brotherhood AGAINST the synth?
How does that make them bad? Can I really not side with them?
>>315552451
It's pretty clear Beth hates the T-51b but does anyone else? I mean shouldn't the T-60 be a Player exclusive armor?
>>315554395
That's blatantly false. It says in the achievements you can join various factions.
>>315552624
They were always grey -- much more so in FO1 and 2
>>315554210
>>315554342
>you see those mountains over there?! You can climb them!
>>315554549
>cats are now alive again
Brotherhood of Steel isn't canon.
I liked the Tactics Brotherhood the best, but then again that whole game is you as a BoS recruit. R Lee Ermey should be in every video game.
>>315554585
>fuck up BoS characterization
>180 and fuck it up again
>only time they get it right is in a fucking awful dlc, and they attack you for no reason
Can't win with bethesda senpai
>>315553137
ive got some bad news for you friend......
>>315554639
synth are the good guys.
That quest in fallout 3 pretty much establishes them as the innocent androids a la Blade Runner
>>315553562
>They tried to kill you for shits and giggles when you first try to join them.
>"Yeah, go to the Glow. If you come back you're in."
That was fucking awesome.
I remember doing it and getting hopelessly addicted to rad-x.
Then I died of withdrawl symptoms hiking across the dessert on the way back.
>>315554290
Yeah, that's why in New Vegas they attack caravans and travelers if you go the independent route.
>>315554478
Ok friend, let me spoonfeed you! In Fallout 1 the player character destroys the super mutants and their only means of reproduction. In Fallout 2, the player character destroys the entirety of the Enclave's organization and equipment. Bethesda in their infinite creativity blatantly pulled excuses from the dank, dripping depths of Todd Howard's asshole just to slap those groups (along with the Brotherhood of Steel) in the game for no other reason than they couldn't think of anything better.
>>315553139
>lore breaking in 3
>they specifically said that the branch went off the brotherhood main mission due to its leader's particular wish to help the wasteland
>there's even an angry faction that wishes for them to return to the original mission of gathering technology and being completely neutral
You fags will grasp at straws to talk shit about Fallout 3.
After playing so many great japanes games and so much western garbage I have developed a strong bias against western developers and don't give a shit about western releases in general. But since you niggers are constantly spamming these threads, so, can someone explain to me why of all places is /v/ so excited for a fucking Bethesda game? Did I miss something, is the game supposed to be actually good or what?
>>315554171
You don't understand, seeing that shit as a kid was horrifying.
>>315552964
The Last of Us?
>>315554746
>180 it
>implying
The Brotherhood try to keep technology to themselves and take it from others because they feel they can not bet trusted. Synthetic machines are a danger to the world in their view.
>>315554304
Don't you love how all of those groups are from FO4? And don't say they were in FO3, because namedropping doesn't count. We'll see how their new ones hold up on release.
>BoS have a flying fortress
Why wouldn't you side with them?
>>315554796
Well, I'm going to kill them all and side with the Brotherhood if I can.
>>315554741
>I liked the Tactics Brotherhood the best
people actually played that piece of shit game?
>>315554698
There's more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes. {beat} Or {emphasis} went, that is - cats being extinct.
>Robert House
>>315554067
I actually wouldn't have a problem with this.
>>315554930
FO4 looks like it's going to be making the same mistake as FO3, and many long time fallout fans like myself are once again disappointed.
This is why there is lots of discussion, anon. We do talk about video games on here from time to time, believe it or not.
>>315554591
What that his own men were too shit to do it and you had to?
>>315552451
Proof?
>>315554930
Normalfag scum shitting the board
>>315554930
>why of all places is /v/ so excited for a fucking Bethesda game?
why can't people be excited about something you don't like?
how the fuck do all of you know that synths are the good guys
yes the trailer had the BoS saying that they needed to be destroyed but we don't know if the Synths are like ghouls with individual personalities and wish no harm to the wastes or if they're like the Master and view themselves as superior to humans.
>>315554834
What if I told you Rad-x is not addictive and that Radaway addiction can't kill you?
>>315553338
>Parsa R
>that face
kek'd
>>315555138
Tactics was a good game, and an alright Fallout game.
>>315555190
watch the trailer. the leader of the brotherhood literally making speeches like he's next hitler genociding the poor jews (synths)
>>315555318
synth are good guys because they were in fallout 3. see >>315554796
Just arrived from work and saw the trailer.
Let me guess, the protagonist is a cyborg with the transplanted brain from the female or the male character, and he was on stasis for 200 years.
The plot and choices will either lead your character to become the savior of the cyborgskin or the ultimate hypocrite who sides with the organics even 'tho he is a robot and destroy the good guys.
I will refund my pre-order and pirate the everlasting shit of this game. I can't believe bethesda just wasted commonwealth in a shitty I robot/mad max crossover. I'd rather just have the place on my imagination based on what the lore tells. Fuck.
Just make a fucking game about vaults, vault tec and mutants then, fuck it. Didn't new vegas taught them anything?
>>315555152
New Vegas isn't canon either.
>>315552451
>implying they were never bad guys
Please OP, at best they've always been gray.
Can I ask, who the fuck are the synth?
First time I've ever heard of them.
Fallout 3 and NV fag here and for the record NV was better.
>>315555431
No he was frozen your kid is made a synth
>>315553137
What direction is it swirling?
>>315555504
3 had a quest that set them up
>>315555504
The replicated man in FO3
>>315552772
This. They were never good guys. If anything I'm glad Bethesda finally fixed that shit. Brotherhood of Steel is canonically supposed to hate anyone without technology and think they're savage shitbags who deserve to wallow in mud.
And if you do have technology you're just a Savage playing with Fire that doesn't belong to you and you better give it up or you're gonna get lasered.
>>315555504
Look into The Replicated Man from FO3.
>>315555504
3 had a quest on that boat city, with youhaving to choose whether to save a synth or let the Institute take him back to Boston.
>>315555504
Androids. There was a quest in Rivet City in 3 where an escaped android was hiding from the Commonwealth, you could side with either of those two to complete the quest.
FO4 is going to have a lot to do with Synths and the Commonwealth, as Boston is where they're mainly located.
>>315555415
There are synths attacking you in the original reveal trailer. Synths are the bad guys
>>315552451
really?
undropped for me.
>>315555415
The fallout 3 one was one that had escaped, while the others are supposedly kept as slaves to the Institute, so I guess it could go either way.
>>315555561
Then you're will smith and your kid is the robot?
>>315555613
>not knowing the epic NV isn't canon b8
newfag
>>315555165
I played through Fallout 1&2, gave a try to 3 and it was nothing like the old ones. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since ever. It's really weird to see cyncial /v/ hyped for a new Bethesda shit, I guess reddit did really invade.
>>315555306
You can be excited all you want but we're talking new Bethesda game here. You need to be really new to video games to be excited for that. But whatever, enjoy your disapointment.
>>315555757
The Synths are morally gray, if Bethesda can do it right. You'll want to kill them because they're robots, but you won't because they resembles humans so perfectly.
>>315555709
>Brotherhood of Steel is canonically supposed to hate anyone without technolog
Don't they think they're the only ones who should have it? I didn't think they even liked House
>>315555331
That's JW, one of the top CS:GO players in the world
>/v/ actually knowing anything about video games
>>315555757
From what I gathered those appeared to be feral, or rampant synths.
They're most likely just going to be a new feral ghoul kind of enemy.
>BoS are good guys in Fallout 3
STOP FUCKING WITH THE LORE BETHESDA
>BoS are bad guys in Fallout 4
STOP FUCKING WITH THE LORE BETHESDA
>>315554078
> how much of /v/ comprise of children who started with Fallout 3
I just wanna say that I'm 22 years old and F3 was my first Fallout game (it came out when I was 15) but because I played that game I ended up playing the first two Fallout games and enjoying them quite a bit. I can't imagine I'd have ever gotten into those game had I not played Fallout 3 first.
>>315555504
Robot peoples.
There was a really stupid sidequest in FO3, where one of the guards at Rivet City was actually an android and his owner was looking for him.
Beyond that the closest theres really been is Eden and The Master, and I guess the scientists at Big Mountain.
Personally I think its stupid.
>>315552451
Looks great, Todd. Can't wait to play New Vegas the day this comes out.
>>315555848
All /v/ has done is shit on this crap you dumb motherfucker
>>315554792
Are you retarded? No really.
>>315555898
>shit tier esport fag
>game
kek
>>315555826
Your bait is weak
>>315555751
Sounds weird, might have to go back and replay 3.
I put so many hours into NV I can barely remember anything from 3 apart from the colour green and THREE DAWWWWG.
>>315555457
fuck you it is, its been mentioned in 3 separate games that cats are extinct.
fallout 3 isnt cannon, fallout 4 isnt cannon.
ARE THE BROTHERHOOD IN THIS GAME LYON'S BRANCH OR MIDWEST CHAPTER OR OUTCASTS
Kinda hard for them to go with the "protag's a synth" twist when you'll probably have a ton of animations of you dying in all sorts of gruesome ways as a human.
>>315555991
By making 20 threads per hour about it?
Factions that you can join:
BoS,
Minutemen,
Railroad
The institute
Number of quests they have
BoS > Institute > Railroad > Minutemen
BoS have 18 quests, while the Minutemen only have 8. Go figure.
>>315555898
>Caring about CounterScum
I think we need to have a talk, anon
>>315555848
>Bethesda shit, I guess reddit did really invade
You're just now realizing this? Reddit has taken over every board except for /pol/. It's at the point now where people aren't even ashamed of admitting they're from reddit.
>>315554930
Why are you here then instead of masturbating over the shitfest that's gonna be Xenoblade? No one is stopping you.
>>315556118
Have you been in any of those threads? It's just people shitting on it faggot
>>315556095
yes
>>315552952
That was clearly explained as Lyon's group being outliers, though.
>>315552838
>liking fallout 3
>caring about the lore
Pick one and only one
>>315556060
Fallout 1,2,3,4, NV, Tactics, and BoS are not canon.
Only Fallout Shelter is canon fag.
>>315556054
Are you frogetting the highlights of the game? These were mine:
>Eden
>that brunwick or w/e building
>point lookout was neat and worth mention
>>315553859
this but bethesda probably can't write morally grey factions it has to be good and le bad guys
>>315555896
Yeah they did, but they didn't have the strength to challenge him so they left him alone and picked like wounded dogs at the stuff outside of New Vegas they could touch. Like the Helios Plant.
>>315553139
Not to mention in new vegas they will massacre an entire outpost of the FoA just because they think veronica might have given them secret technology.
>>315556381
i will fuck your mouth with a bar of soap.
>>315556381
You Fallout Shelterfag are pathetically persistent.
The only thing canon is the boxart from Fallout 1.
>>315556469
If they got the Archimedes back up and running, could the BoS have taken down House?
>>315556397
I, indeed forgot all of those.
>>315554964
Horrifying as fuck.
IT JUST WORKS
They were the bad guys in NV.
>>315556606
Probably depends if you activated the platinum chip or not.
>>315553192
>That one hardass still standing at the very end.
How the fuck many robots did he put in the ground before that part?
>>315556397
>that brunwick or w/e building
Nigger I will slap you.
>>315555823
I think that's not true, there was a guy fromBasically turns into a "I joined the institute because it's what might be best for mankind"and"I got rid of the institute because they were a bunch of sekrit club kids and I think we can only progress together"or some shit like that, so yeah.
However, they've been saying thatShaun is in fact, alive and well and became the leader of the institute as he was taken as a student at an early age and is the creator of the synths.I'm not really sure about the last part but that's basically what people have been saying.
Honestly it sounds much more believable to me that than the "Shaun is a synth" thing.
>>315556917
Even then, what's a securitron with a rocket launcher going to do against a fucking space laser?
The MC has to be an android, only way he would live so long.
>>315553162
>railroad
that subplot in fallout 3 was stupidthe railroading was also bad in new vegas ayyyy
>>315557025
Pic related.It's Shaun.
>not being a wild card and killing everyone on both sides
God, I hope this is possible
>>315556142
>Reddit has taken over
Whatever, people have been saying this shit for several years.
So anyone has the latest leaks, or was there nothing fresh after that escape from Mutant Tower with perpetually wet man and benign supersmurf?
>>315557025Shaun's the leader of the Institute called "Father," but he didn't create the synths. A guy who has the game posted details and screens on /vg/ last night.
>>315552964
>tfw when Vegas fag
>tfw north Vegas looks pretty much the same in game as it does here
>>315552451
Nowhere in the trailer does it say they are going to be bad or evil. BoS have always been well known douche bags. More than likely they will be a side faction fighting the Institute for that delicious tech. If anything, you get in their way due to ideological reasons.
Is it wrong if I actually liked the Brotherhood and kind of agree with them in some ways?
Plus I just love the neo-Knightly order thing.
>>315557584
>Nowhere in the trailer does it say they are going to be bad or evil.
>trailer
Where have you been?
>>315553695
That doesn't admit you fucked up, it's just the game acknowledging that Lyons' unit is not the norm.
>>315557584
>Nowhere in the trailer does it say they are going to be bad or evil
>the leader of BoS literally says "GAS THE SYNTHS RACE WARE NOW"
>>315557192
>>315557456
>Mfw his model kinda resembles james'
Shit Todd, get it together.
Thanks for clearing my doubt anons. How the hell did they even manage to get that far into the game? I remember watching the little clips that a black guy and some other guy uploaded into the vid something site but were later taken down.
It's kinda stupid to me how they said "the game is going to have 8 endings" when it all boils down to two. Maybe they included the other 6 as the factions fate? That shit is pretty misleading but then again, what can I expect from these guys.
Also, do you happen to have by any chance said info or screenshots? I'd like to look at them.
>>315557598
That's fine, anon. In 1, 2, and NV all the factions have decent writing and you can sympathize with them to some extent.
>>315557598
The BoS in 1,2, and New Vegas are the shit. Fallout 3 BoS go home.
>>315555504
Synth=Synthetics=Androids=Robots that act like humans=Harkness
>>315557362
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
For years 4chan has made fun of newfags being from reddit or neogaf or tumblr.
Now these people actually lurk here now that moot has put forth preventative measures to deal with "problematic" posting. The only thing he can't do away with completely is censoring hate speech as that would make him a complete hypocrite and force him to abandon his ideals.
>>315553068
Every faction were the bad guys in New Vegas.
>>315557843
>moot
Who?
>>315552451
Tbh as someone not at all looking forward to this game, this seems to be one of the better ideas of Bethesdas.
Outside of FO3 BOS have never been good guys, and making them antagonist makes more sense then the White Knights we got in 3.
Of course I say this knowing that asking for a faction with a little more nuance then being Good or Bad is too much to ask of Bethesdas writers.
>>315556142
>except pol
OH IM LAFFIN
It could just be the Midwest Brotherhood. Those guys became so zealous that they would probably ally with the Enclave if it meant wiping out muties.
>>315557662
They aren't evil. Even the BoS proper isn't evil. They don't go around purging entire settlements for no reason. Yeah, they hate mutants, as they should, and if you don't give them tech they will blow you away.
They've always been ass holes, but not evil. Except the main BoS in F3, which was retarded. Outcasts FTW.
>>315557752
>How the hell did they even manage to get that far into the game?
He said he kind of blew through the main quest, and even then it still looked like it was far from over.
As for other detailsthe Institute took Shaun in the first place because pre-war humans make perfect models to base synths off of. The guy who killed your spouse is an ex-NCR trooper turned merc named Kellogg, who's been working for the Institute for decades because they've extended his lifespan. After discovering Shaun is Father, you have to decide whether to side with the Institute or not.
>>315558150
>ftw
Am I being baited right now?
>>315558150
>FTW
>>315552451
Bravo Bethesda, once again reusing old factions from the first two games as your villains rather than coming up with something original.
>>315558250
the fuck a ncr trooper is doing all his way down in boston
>>315557465
Oh hey, a fellow Vegasfag.
Shame there's almost nothing of worth from the city beyond the strip in the game, and places are in the wrong spots (the novac dino is in Calif).
Still, they more or less got right where the Mt. Charleston lodge is.
>>315558424
looking fornuclear winter
>>315558351
I have a theory on that.
I think the reason they force all this shit that shouldn't be on the east coast like super mutants and ghouls and the various factions is because they know we don't respect them.
If they released fallout 4 with no brotherhood of steel, no super mutants, no fev mutants, no death claws and made up entirely new enemies and allies everyone would see their games for the farce they are. So they mask their ineptitude by clinging to inventions of other, better writers.
>>315558424
I presume he walked.given how old he has to be, he's also been working for the Institute since before FO2.
>>315557969
It's true. The only other board I can think of that has somehow kept the redditors at bay is /jp/.
>>315558738
>NCR trooper from when NCR was little more than a failing city state on the west coast
I know Bethesda likes to reference things against all reason, but come the fuck on
>>315552451
You're being silly now
Yes the game looks shit, but for once Bethesda taking things in an interesting and lore accurate direction is good
>>315557124
Shoot the solar collector
>>315557969
You and me both know that your typical redditor couldn't go 20 seconds on /pol/ without getting triggered and committing suicide.
>>315552451
Still not a fan of how the power armor looks now.
It looks like plastic and the visor looks like shit
>>315552814
Well it wasn't no reason. The leader of the contingent they had at the time was like the one level headed good guy in the organization, and he recruited in a lot of the locals.
I'm not sure these are the same brotherhood from 3. Here's hoping they're the crazy ass Chicago brotherhood who mod their shit to off the street illegal degrees. Even integrated Enclave armor into their own.
>>315558932
It still had its own guards and shit. It's really not that far out there that he had been one of them.
Also that leaker only said that he had an NCR background, not that he was specifically a trooper. Although it's likely given his change of profession.
>All these leaks
>Chinks have all game files except the dlls and .exe
>No leakers willing to send them the files
>>315558250
does anyone have any videos of this?, was a stream or is it just screenshots?
>>315552451
hopes on F4 restored
>>315559442
Just screenshots. It was just a guy on /vg/ posting what he'd come across.
>>315558250
>the Institute took Shaun in the first place because pre-war humans make perfect models to base synths off of.
>Have a vault full of pre war people
>Only take the babby
>>315559379
Yeah, they even had a west coast enclave troop in Fallout 3 who fled California all the way to the east coast somehow. You know, that dead guy in Grayditch. This guy wouldn't be the first to make the long trip.
if you join them who cares. and does anyone know if the enclave are in it?
>>315555931
Same, though 29. I mostly played C&C and goofy LucasArts Adventure games on pc when young, not stuff like Fallout. 3 got me to play the rest.
>>315559627
The player's called the Sole Survivor for a reason. Everyone else in there died. And Kellogg even comments on how they have you as a back-up as they're taking Shaun.
>>315553241
Well, at least they learned that people like factions more than they like generic good vs evil conflicts.
>>315560289
Skyrim's conflict was more interesting that 3's just because it was more morally grey. It was still shit compared to NV, though
>>315559835
>he player's called the Sole Survivor
It should now be mandatory to make a black dude who looks like he should be in Earth, Wind, and Fire.
I shall be the Soul Survivor and I shall smite the enemies of funk with my bass guitar of smooth groove
>>315560479
At least they've progressed, somewhat. The Brotherhood in this might actually be morally grey; seems like the BoS wants to kill every single mutant in the wastes, even if they're non-feral ghouls, and they're invading Boston "for its own good".
>>315558672
Or you know, because all the previous games, even fucking Brotherhood of Steel, contained the elements of those things. If you took that shit out and just left the vaults, is it even Fallout anymore?
>>315552451
that just means im going to have less of a problem killing them like i did before.
>>315552981
>people bitch about polarizing a notoriously morally grey faction.
Yes, and?
That´s like complaining about people who don´t like to be frozen or burned.
>>315558672
>everyone would see their games for the farce they are
Nah. Casuals would eat it up because it's Bethesda, and Bethesda know how to appeal to casuals. The people on /v/ who are buying it now would probably still buy a not-fallout, because they're huge casuals too
>>315559627
The President of the Institute needed babies to kiss for his re election campaign
>>315558672
>because they know we don't respect them.
Please stop projecting overimportance on yourself. They don't care about what we think because in the end, they'll sell a bajillion copies no matter how much we bitch. They don't have to car.
>>315560938
The only reason 1 and 2 both hand super mutants, fev mutants, ghouls (techinically fev mutants), brotherhood of steel, and all the things we consider "fallout" is because it's set in the west coast.
The midwest and partically the east coast was ripe for invention.
>>315561227
>The midwest and partically the east coast was ripe for invention.
And yet the game that DOES take place in the midwest contains all of that too.
>>315552451
But that makes sense, they just care about old collecting old tech and themselves. It was also the case in NV, pretty cool aspect of the game. Pretty predictable of sorts but it follows the lore.
So outside graphics is it worth a purchase or should I pirate first? I'm not entirely sure if my PC could even handle Fallout 4. I think my PC is five years old and I have a GeForce GTX460 so I'm probably going to have to play it on my PS4.
>>315561335
*at least this is their core doctrine, factions of the BoS can deviate from this of course.
>>315552451
I'd prefer them be the bad guys than the super white knights of the wasteland that they were in 3
>>315552451
if there isnt an option to join them im cancelling my pre-order
>>315561324
Tactics was a cash grab not an RPG.
Still, even they innovated.
Bethesda did a little......the whole android blade runner thing and the virtual reality apsects.
They pussied out and gave us 10,000 super mutants to kill anyway though. It's evidence of their lack of talent as devs.
>>315557154
B-but robots deserve rights to you c-cis gendered fuck
>>315552838
>i can't believe people are defending bethesda's fucking with the lore this much
bethesda MAKES the lore now, they can make F1 and 2 non-canon if they want
>>315553562
>They tried to kill you for shits and giggles when you first try to join them.
Or maybe they tried to test you.
Survive some of the worst things the wasteland has to offer and you´re in.
>>315552451
Finally a nice thing about this game.
They have always been bad though fuck those ass holes
>>315561701
They lost their own trained men at the Glow anon.
Trained men in power armor.
It was a death trap. If you were anyone else in that game you'd be dead and they'd have killed you as surely as if they shot you in the head on the spot.
>hate fallout 4
>the power armor is really sexy though
fuck
They're morally grey though. Leaks confirm you can join them or the institute. They look to be a mix of the Midwest BOS and Lyons' faction
>>315561587
>Tactics was a cash grab not an RPG.
Oh so it only counts if it's an RPG now? At least if you said it's not canon (outside of the main events) that would be correct.
And Tactics wasn't a cash grab. BoS was a fucking cashgrab, and it failed at it.
The Super Mutants in the end aren't the villains of 3 anyway, they're just there to be a thorn in your side. The Enclave coming back, THAT is a rehash.
>>315561983
so if you could do what they couldn't it means you're a total badass who is better then them and they want that.
>>315555037
The Commonwealth and Railroad were in F3. Only briefly important, though - it was only a sidequest
>>315562148
It was a joke. They didn't intend for you to even go, they just wanted you to fuck off
It could just be the Midwest BoS.
I mean those guys are assholes to the nth degree, the only thing separating them from the Enclave is what armor they wear. Odds are they probably teamed up after the Enclave went back to their fortress-city in Chicago.
>>315562308
>Enclave are assholes
>>315562308A stream revealed it's a combination of the Midwest and Lyons groups the other day.
>>315553050
There's an achievement to join them and there's one tobetray them.
>>315554171
>that was so fucking bad it was hilarious
>animatrix
>bad
>>315562497
Did you even play FO2?
>>315552924
Mod master race. ARMOUR FOREVER
>>315562498
Is the devil horn armor in the game?
>>315562497
They are.
Allow me to summarize the Enclave
>Amuhrica
>#killallmuties
>>315562620
kill all muties
>>315562740
Which their greatest soldier is one of.
>>315562620
>>315562731
But mutants deserve to be purged and so do people with any hint of radiation in them
>>315553405
Technology isn't natural you idiot.
>>315562826
>But mutants deserve to be purged and so do people with any hint of radiation in them
Yeah, we'd NEVER let anyone like that into the Enclave
Also, FEV is not radiation. It makes you immune to it by messing with your genome
>>315562917
If technology isn't natural I guess beavers and ants are fucking abominations.
Anyway he obviously meant neutral, context clues silly nigger.
>>315562826
Frank please leave.
>>315563029
>What is a joke
Anon, christ almighty.
>>315554591
>send one guy out in scavenged armour/gear, like they didn't have enough murdered wastelanders that stumbled on them before.
fucking seriously.
>>315563102
I-i was joking too.
haha
humor.
>>315563014
>>315563032
Frank is the only acceptable mutant all the others deserve to be purged
>>315562825
to be fair he is sterile and can't reproduce and affect the genepool.
>>315552451
They made it very clear that in FO3 the BoS was actually the outcasts.
>>315563367
wait do you mean Lyons BoS were Outcasts or that the Outcasts are the real BoS?
>>315553192
why not just nuke the shit out of them
or EMP
fuck
matrix is stupid shit
So has there been any theorycrafting going around for the game yet at possible OPed builds with what we know with Perks and Stats?
>>315552451
god I hope so the ones in 3 should have renamed themselves
>>315563612
They tried that, it didn't work.
>>315554304
i wonder how deep there motivations will be let me guess sinths are good sinths are bad and we are sinths damn i might get a job raping lore
>>315563504
anon both of options you gave me is saying the same thing here.
>>315563628
Well with no level cap you can max out everything eventually.
>>315563309
Frank please.
>>315552451
>implying BoS are good guys
>i've only played fo3 so i know that Bos are good guys :^]
i don't care if you're being ironic this shit has to stop
>>315563678
Right, stupid shit then
>>315563789
True but Im interested in early/mid game not end.
>>315563789
Yeah at level, what 270?
People getting to 40 and still having meaningful stuff to do might be a stretch.
>>315563942
>casuals exist
What, did you believe them to be another /v/ bogeyman?
>>315552451
Goddammit, Bethesda took the shit people were giving them for 3 too far. They were never good, but they were never evil either. They're a hard grey, both in color scheme and morality.
They just wanted to sit in their bunkers and jack off to toasters.
>>315554335
Fucking this
>>315552451
What happened to their power armour though? It looks like something a kid would draw.
>>315553192
The Animatrix was cool, but that shitty explanation for EMPs not working was a joke.
I'm tempted to buy this game just so I can have more scenarios in which to explode people with my fists.
Is that so wrong?
>>315553646
Elder Lyons tells you that the Outcasts named themselves the Outcasts ironically as a "fuck you" to Lyons and his white knight chapter.
People say Fallout 3 lore rapes BoS but it didn't, they knew who was the real BoS the whole time.
Terminals in the citadel say that the rest of the BoS abandoned Lyons chapter.
Fallout 3 BoS is BoS in name only and this is recognized ingame
>>315558932
>>315558424
Bethesda needed to shoehorn in a way to shit on New Vegas, no matter how retarded or obtuse it is
brotherhood of steel = /pol/
>>315565119
That's legion actually
>>315565084
why not use house giving tech to the institute
way more easy
>>315564665
Don't the BoS get their metal panties in a bunch a few times and go all "total war" on shit? Isn't that one of the endings on FO2? that the NCR and BoS go to war for fuck whatever reason?
I suppose I can give Bethesda props for making a previous "totally canon good guys" into bad guys, but as you said, it's still fucking wrong.
>>315552838
You don't know what edgy means please refrain from saying it you faggot.
>>315565209
Because that would require careful though and good writing
>>315565209
House?
Giving tech to anyone?
That's the stupidest thing I could imagine someone saying about House.You're right why didn't Bethesda do that?
>>315553859
>Bethesda being capable of writing morally grey characters and factions
You make me giggle, anon.
>>315553080
Effectively 4 power armor suits are announced (t-45, t-52, t-60, and x-01) and you can mix and match parts as you see fit for 6 different sections of the suit (left arm, left leg, right leg, right arm, helmet, body).
>>315565209
>>315565209
>giving tech to the isolationist group all the fucking way on the east coast
>who already have more advanced tech than House
There's no "careful thought" or "good writing" in this idea.
>>315565695
Also doesn't he fucking hate his alma mater?
>>315558264
>>315558336
ftw means for the win. It's common gamer slang. get with the times dingus
>>315552451
im pretty sure you can choose to either join them or fight them
>>315558424
There are secret teleportation devices that lead to the East Coast of the USA all over the world.
This is sufficient to explain the presence of Deathclaws, two people from Europe, Harold, random NCR troopers, and an Enclave deserter from the west coast who ended up in the heavily fortified Enclave stronghold of D.C. while trying to flee from the Enclave.
These secret teleportation devices can also explain both how Col Autumn got inside Vault 87, and how the Vault 87 supermutants could bring captured humans back to the vault without them instantly dying from the instant death radiation at the entrance of the vault.
Teleportation.
beth here
elija is in the game
>>315565501
Time frame. Fallout 4 takes place before NV does.
>>315552964
>tfw Western Massfag
>tfw probably none of the DLC will take place in our part of the state
>>315566041It's funny because the Institute does actually have teleportation tech.
>>315566150
FO4 takes place six years after New Vegas.
>>315565209
>Cryogenics doesn't work in the Fallout universe thus House the technology genius has a life extending machine that effectively turns you into a corpse and you can never leave it or you die
>Random fuckoff vault on the east coast has thousands of perfectly functional cryogenic chambers with no negative effects because why not
>>315566041
>and an Enclave deserter from the west coast who ended up in the heavily fortified Enclave stronghold of D.C. while trying to flee from the Enclave.
who
>>315566041
Doesn't Fallout 2 feature a fully operational oil tanker? It's not too much of a stretch to believe that there are other people out there with seaworthy vessels that occasionally make international trips.
But that would require a shitton of worldbuilding for places that aren't America, so probably not.
>>315563309
I thought Frank was a human they did experiments on, not a super mutant or anything.
Man made mutations are acceptable. Accidental mutations from post-war fallout are freaks, kill'em all.
>>315565159
>>315565119
no, it's enclave you dumb fucks
>>315553192
God this was such a shit film.
Hell its not even a good flick.
>>315566289So does Big Mountain.One thing I always found striking was that both FO3 and NV feature matter manipulation technology in some form. The world was on its was to post-scarcity if the nuclear apocalypse didn't ruin everything due to the Resource Wars. Now that is proper dark humor.
>>315566380
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/William_Brandice
>>315566378
>>Random fuckoff vault on the east coast has thousands of perfectly functional cryogenic chambers with no negative effects because why not
That's wrong, though. The cryogenic pods seem to have malfunctions, including the player's.
Also I think House wanted to spend those 200 years working, not sleeping.
>>315566839
The issue isn't really if they work or not, the other freezers worked fine.
It's that the people in them have a nasty habit of sometimes dissolving into nothing when you let them out.
well if they're going to make BoS some binary nonsense, then this is at least more interesting
>>315567543
The BoS are bad guys, not because of critics saying that their characterization was wrong in FO3. Not because it makes them a more interesting faction in FO4
>It's because Bethesda feels that the Bad Guys always have to have Power Armor.
>>315564808
what was the explanation?
>>315555898
>someone expresses ignorance over some dickless e-celeb
>"wow i guess you know nothing about vidya"
we should be thankful theres no enclave. thats the true cartoonishly evil faction.
WHERE IS THE TORRENT?
>>315563942
>I don't even know what they were thinking taking the series to the west coast and making up some of the dumb factions they did
Ok if you guys can't tell this is all blatant sarcasm you guys are morons.
>>315568852
At least they had neat looking power armor.
>>315554078
Which game you played first is hardly related to your age, Can you only comment on Fallout games at all if you didn't start with 1 or 2? I mean fuck, I started with New Vegas, and that's the newest one, with the exception of 4 of course.
>yfw everyone knows how bad the game looks and how buggy it is already but it's probably going to be fun and memorable regardless.
>>315568953
You won't get it a day before release, faggot crackers need a preload first, I think anyway.
But yeah skyrim crack came a day before the actual release, so get hype
>>315552952
Lyons straight up told you that his actions basically got this chapter cut off from the rest of the Brotherhood, and that they're not doing official Brotherhood work.
>>315570784
I remember getting Fallout 3 a day early as well. Except the Pip Boy was in Russian.
Brotherhood of Steel were always selfish pricks, but never the "big bad".
It would be great to be able to join them and go on tech treasure hunts, working your way up the ladder, like caesar's legion in New Vegas.
>>315561062
Except the Brotherhood trying to take the Institute makes perfect sense. It's MIT full of androids and god knows what else, there's no way they'd allow it to exist.
>This could have been the Fallout that had vehicles
>This could have been the Fallout that had dual wielding
>>315572297
FO2 already had a car
>>315572297
>wanting cars when they'll probably be worse than the horses in Oblivion and Skyrim
>>315552451
It's nice to know that the whole Lyons thing is actually being treated as an exception to the Brotherhood's normal behaviour rather than as the norm in Bethesda made Fallout titles. Them being greedy, tech hoarding jerks is much closer to their main mission.
>>315572297
>run over a brahmin
>vehicle either explodes or gets launched s.t.a.l.k.e.r. style
not to mention that they literally don't know how to make working vehicles, the train in bos had giant legs on it when you view the model
>>315561062
They aren't being polarized you nonce.
In FO4 you can either join or destroy the brotherhood branch (there are achievements for both) which means they are almost definitely back to being a neutral faction.
>>315554078
>Started with 3
>Really liked it
>Went back to play 1 and 2
>Liked 1
>Loved 2
>Got NV
>Loved it
3 definitely introduced shithead babbies who ignore the rest of the series. But acting like starting with 3 automatically makes someone an irredeemably tasteless faggot who worships Todd's mountain-climbing cock is on the same tier of logic as people who actually think Bethesda are great devs.
>>315572297
Cars are a shit idea, this isn't fucking mad max. Besides, if you added a travel method as fast as a car you would have to design the game around said travel method, which would mean increasing the size of the map to accommodate and severely cutting down on the scale and content density, then it would be shit.
You want cars in a wasteland, play that shitty fucking Mad Max game. This is Fallout.
>>315552451
Well apart from the faction in Fallout 3 that was specifically stated to be so far divorced from the main body in terms of ideals they may as well have been fucking Followers, BoS are usually a bunch of shits.
>>315566264
>western mass
>wilderness for miles on end
>>315554078
>blaming people for starting with a huge release relating to a dead series that nobody knew about unless they were an adult in the 90's
I started with 3, loved it. Liked it less and less the more I learned about actual Fallout lore since it was actually, you know, good. Then New Vegas swept me off my feet and I can't even think of Bethesda's as anything other than a fucktarded spinoff.
Bethesda's Fallout games are the Teen Titans Go! of Fallout.
>Fallout 3 is shit! It made BoS the good guys!
>Forget the Outcasts splintered off to form their own group because they didn't wanna play good guys
>>315564924
bethesda has made the game heavily, heavily shooting focused because thats what 98% of casuals want to do
you'll probably have a real bad time trying to go melee
>>315563942
That last comment is such a fucking troll.
>the brotherhood is a force of good and justice in the wasteland
>Even mothership zeta, which was probably the weakest, have you a samurai sword and had some really amazing implications about the games true canon and where they might take it in the future
I think I like it more from the point of view that you are just a wanderer, that humanity is fucked beyond repair and you find shitty people on shitty situations trying to survive, not this WE MUST SAVE HUMANITY FROM ITSELF kind of story.
Sure you can find the Geck in fallout 3, but you just get a slideshow about your heroic deeds and even then you are likely to fuck someone over depending on the ending.
in NV you are the center piece of a plan to either bring society to its most basic values or bring it back to its former glory and beyond, but even then you have the choice to just say fuck everyone and loot and kill everything and it's just as a valid ending.
>>315574481
>can't even join the Outcasts
>can only give them the million plasma and laser weapons you get from killing the enclave in exchange for billions of stimpaks and bullets
>>315564924
Two-Step Goodbye is my waifu.
>>315574537
You could teleport to targets with VATS in Fallout 3, it wasn't that bad.
Fallout 4's perk sheet DOES have some unarmed/melee specific perks and some rushdown/close-combat abilities.
>>315552451
>IDS LIGE PODDERY :DDDDDDD
>>315574901
you are still undoubtedly getting shafted
guy i watched play yesterday had all of two melee weapons (a baseball bat and spiked knuckles) in like 6 hours of playing
>>315555415
Then the BoS are the good guys too, because they were in 3. If we go off of this logic that their status in 3 indicates their status in 4, then that means that either
>Some third partyprobably the Enclaveare playing the two against each other, as the Thalmor did the Stormcloaks and Imperials in Skyrimjob
>Bethesda is trying to go with some sort of moral ambiguity through gray-grey morality,
>Bethesda is trying a system where they're both good guys with generally similar ideals, but have some differences, and have some flaws relatively minor compared to how good they are.
In the first case, we get some ambiguity, but Bethesda rehashes a plot point from an overrated game, and we still end up with the Enclave being the main bad guys.
Second case is wishful thinking. If they tried it, they probably couldn't pull it off, but I'd like to be wrong on that. Wouldn't it be nice if an overrated dev actually sort of lived up to the hype once in a while?
In the third case, the conflict stems from them emphasizing each others' differences over similarities. Metaphor for racial tensions, if you want to see it that way.
>>315552964
AssAss Creed 3?
>>315552964
>shitty game for your shitty city
its like poetry
>>315575275
>tfw Boston only gets featured in shitty games
>>315575197
>>315575119
I don't know, I could say something similar about the pacing in New Vegas. It's an open world rpg, after all.
I will be disappointed if they don't even have half of the melee/unarmed weapons that NV.
>>315575135
There's no way Enclave is in this. Just no way. Impossible. Bethesda wouldn't do that; they're not so unimaginative that they would rehash an antagonist group that's been long dead,... right?
Will we get another waifu character like Veronica in New Vegas? I loved doing brotherhood of steel things and watching her punch the fuck out deathclaws.
I know she was lesbo but I still thought she was pretty great plusI like /u/
>Fallout 4 will not be about the battles and suffering brought on by the war between the NCR and Enclave
Maybe I'm retarded but the Enclave was pushing west come New Vegas right? So these powers would inevitably meet? I'd assume the Enclave would be a force to be reckon with but to kind of skip over the two biggest powers going at it would be kind of stupid.
>>315575850
Enclave's fucking dead by New Vegas
>>315575850
There needs to be something to fuck over the setting, it's getting too civilized.
>>315575850
>Enclave
>Relavent at all
the enclave is dead. There were only the Remanents left, which while were fucking bad ass, were only 5 people. The legion is still covering Arizona, wonder if Bethesda cared enough to put in an NPC or two that supposedly traveled from New Vegas. Maybe the original owners of the Silver Rush setting up shop again, I don't know.
>>315552451
The Brotherhood of Steel have always been the bad guys. The branch in Fallout 3 would have been considered outcasts for the way they were acting.
>>315575661
If they do his first scenario, then they get to rehash both the Enclave and the Civil War subplot in Skyrim, including the bigoted evil guys playing the two against each other.
>>315576043
Avellone pls.
>>315575709
>liking Felicia Day
>>315576043
Who, though? Everything I've seen it's just been going from civilized area to civilized area (as civilized as post-apocalyptic goes). I mean, we'll get an answer when the game comes out but I'd had to see a rehashed faction war from NV.
>>315552451
That's actually good. BoS was never supposed to be good guys. They were sort of bad guys in the first place.
>because of Fallout 2's bugged ending, we will never again meet intelligent deathclaws
Yeah it was really silly but I liked Goris. Even if he did get outmatched late game.
>>315576087
There is an ex-NCR trooper
>the brotherhood are the villains because the protagonist is an android and they want to kill or capture them
>>315577090
Has that actually been confirmed? If so, that's retarded.
>guy starts out in Boston
>puts you into cryo
>sometime after he joins the NCR and goes to California
>sometime after he leaves the NCR and comes straight back to Boston
>just as the MC wakes up
>>315552814
I didn't really find them that bad.
The leader of the branch was a radical by their standards and diluted the organisation heavily.
The Outcasts should've called themselves the true brotherhood instead of "outcasts" because they adhered to the original tenets.
>>315575709
That animu grill is the cutest thingin the world.
>>315555931
Right there with you anon, just a year older.
1 was great, 2 was not as good but still good. I've come to hate F3 over time though.
Those look more like the Outcasts
If I can't join them and rid the Wasteland of Ghouls, bandits and degenerates, I swear Todd..
>>315577745
when was any of that ever something the Brotherhood did?
>>315577745
You're joining the wrong faction if that's what you want to do.
The Brotherhood is just a bunch of tech-hoarders
>>315552838
>>They've always been bad guys.
>
>Did you play fallout 2? Did you play fallout 3?
>i can't believe people are defending bethesda's fucking with the lore this much
>mfw people bitch about bos being good in 3
>mfw people bitch about bos being bad in 4
>>315577745
You want the legion, not the Brotherhood. Brotherhood don't actually do much, they just get pissy over energy weapons and dick around in their bunkers.
>>315552964
>tfw detroitfag
>tfw of the two recent games set here, one didn't look anything like the city and the other one is a David Cage game
>tfw no enclave
>>315577745
Just make a bunch of settlements and pretend they're concentration camps
>>315552451
Of course they are. They're the ones preventing the glorious Enclave from rebuilding Murica
requesting dogmeat elevator webm sempai
>>315553192
actually I found the part where they beat the female robot to death in the street the worst part
maybe that's why I'm so into gynoids now?
>>315554930
>After playing so many great japanes games and so much western garbage I have developed a strong bias against western developers and don't give a shit about western releases in general.
welp i am not the only one
>>315577356
What? Why would you think that's how it works? He was NCR before ever coming to Boston.
>>315552964
>AZfag
>No games with AZ as a major setting except Postal 2
>Hardly in NV at all
I just want a post-Legion Fallout in AZ, with mutant Gila monsters, tarantulas, snakes, and shit. Maybe some mutant saguaros people live in, because why not.
Fallout 4 looks so fucking bad, I'm actually not even going to attempt to pirate it
>>315580305
>attempt to pirate it
What, would you somehow "fail" during the torrenting or something? How can you fail to pirate something?
>>315581038
well played! :)
>>315560479
If there is a morally grey conflict in FO4 then I'm pretty sure we're going to get one in all future bethesda games just because it's such an easy way to extend discussion of the games.
>bethesda fucking with the lore!
>that they now fully own
Nigger they could come out and say Fallout 1 and 2 are no longer canon if they wanted to
I bet you they will pull that BS with it being a separate part of the BOS again, just like in 3. Hell, they'll probably even reuse the outcasts
>>315581842
3 wasn't BS though, and yes of fucking course this is a separate part of the BoS, chapters exist you know.
>>315552981
We should make them the the grey guys. With no strong feelings one way or the other
>>315566509
He was dipped.
>>315573925
So skyrim is less of a game because of the horse?
>>315573925
>build a city for your game
>cars would make the game too small
???
>>315572297
being able to equip any weapon in each hand would have been nice
like having a melee weapon and a pistol at the same time
of all the things they could have copied from skyrim and they decide to leave that out
>>315573925
you mean like fast travel?
>>315552451
They've always been the bad guys. Why do people always think that the rest of the brotherhood is just like the Lyon's Pride?
>>315581840
Muslims, Jews and Christians also claim their shitty thousand-year-old fanfiction is cannon, what's your point?
>>315586869
Because casuals only played Fallout 3 and don't know what they're talking about.
>Fallout 4
>It just works
>10/10
>IGN
>>315552451
>Brotherhood of Steel are the bad guys
>D R O P P E D
Are you even played first one, kid?
The BoS were never bad nor were they good. They only care about themselves and are neutral unless something threatens them. And even when something threatens them they're too bogged down in bureaucracy and tradition to often do anything about it.
I don't really think they had anything specific against ghouls though. They just don't care about anyone else human or not.
IS THERE A NEW STREAM? /hatenewspapers/ is rip
>>315554395
>Bethesda gamebryo/creation engine game
>no factions
The entire AI system is based on things belonging to factions.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Factions_A
>still can't join the enclave to purge the states of degenerates
Is it so much to ask for?
>>315587040
>Hate IGN™
>>315552964
>tfw Tom Brady is literally the best quarterback of all time
Boston feels
>>315552451
Brotherhood have always been bad guys
>>315563751
Brotherhood wants to stop the institute from making synths, because they get out and are dangerous. In addition to hoarding tech their codex tells them to hide or neutralize dangerous tech as well.
Railroad wants to free all the synths from the institute and let them spread out around the wastes freely.
Minutemen are all about pushing both factions out of fighting in Boston, and dealing with supermutants.
There's also Diamond City, and some sort of Ghoul Faction, not sure how extensive their quests are or if they relate to the main story at all. They could be ancillary ones like Freeside or The Followers were in New Vegas.
Y'know I never really thought about how the BoS might react to artificial humans. I would say it could be interesting, but they still have that Emil faggot as the head writer, so I won't get my hopes up too much.
>yfw DC Brotherhood and midwest Brotherhood teamed up
>yfw Aurthur grew up and executed Lyons for treason
This game is going to be good lads. I think Bethesda finally pulled their heads out of their ass for this one.
>>315588938
Is this confirmed?
>>315588938
I'm glad the Brotherhood isn't taking on the same role the Lyons heretics were in FO3. They have the minutemen for that this time around.
>>315588836
>I never really thought about how the BoS might react to artificial humans
It's technology not in their hands.
>I would say it could be interesting
If they are like the original BoS, it will be boring, for they would do what they normally do: confiscate.
>>315588541
People have been saying this since Fallout 3 came out, but I played 1 and 2, and it's not true at all. In 1, they're reclusive, but after you win their trust, they make you a member and give you free shit. In 2, they barely have a presence at all except for one mysterious guy who helps you once or twice, then also gives you free shit.
>>315563942
>>the brotherhood is a force of good and justice in the wasteland
that asshole in the launch trailer raving about the institute is with the outcasts, reminder
>>315590651
>he doesn't know that's Maxson leading the Brotherhood into a new glorious age
>>315590774
no look
the trailer, 1:53
thats their logo
>>315555457
Fucking triggered
>>315591160
And look here on his shoulder here. It's the BoS symbol.
He's not an outcast.
>>315585202
Cars are faster than horses.
>>315585720
When you can drive from any point on the map to any other point on the map in 2 minutes or less (which you easily could in FO4's map unless the car was ungodly slow) and can stash a massive amount of loot in your car (which, logically speaking would have to be an included feature or people would bitch about not being able to put shit in their boot) it makes the game seem very small and very easy.
>>315586157
You can't fast travel when carrying tons of loot, putting an arbitrary restriction on not driving while over-encumbered would just be silly. In addition you can't fast-travel to locations that you haven't already visited but you would be able to drive to them in 30 seconds with no load screens if cars were there, which would make the whole game trivial.
The only way to resolve this problem of the map size feeling trivial when you can travel by car at easily 10 times sprinting speed is to expand the map size to accommodate that. Expanding the map makes the map less content-dense and means that you will spend most of the game driving through vast empty deserts, fields or deserted city-scapes. An interesting concept but feels much more like Mad Max than it feels like Fallout.
scrolled straight to the bottom, no one actually loved the happy-go-lucky brotherhood from 3 did they?
>>315592320
why do bethesda do this? why does he have a bos symbol on his arm? this isn't the brotherhood, fuck me
>>315593985
Yeah because the Brotherhood never take their shit off or wear anything different ever at any time ever. They all MUST wear exactly the same shit 24/7 for their entire lives.
For reference I'm pretty sure he's the leader of this branch so he can probably wear whatever the fuck he wants.
>>315593985
tim cain must be rolling in his bed, the brotherhood are just a bunch of do-gooders.
this isn't fallout everyone
>>315589596
Never trust the Brotherhood. Xenophobic fucks that need to be wiped out. They have the tools to create a new humanity but are too short sided to work with the future and are stuck in the past.
The way they formed was a rouge group of US military, some stayed in what became the Enclave, the rest stole military equipment and formed the Brotherhood. After humanity re-emerged instead of rebuilding, they stayed secluded. They only help you if you're a benefit to them.
I nuked that facility in NV and felt no remorse.
>>315593985
>>315595075
Look, I'm doing my part to shit on FO4 as much as the next guy but what the fuck are you talking about? If anything, the trailer just confirmed that BoS AREN'T do-gooders this time around, which is a fucking nice change from FO3.
>>315595301
he seems like the leader guy that is gonna save everyone from the synths and will use you to do that
>>315595301
>>315595075
>>315593985
Maybe he is one of the outcasts, and the jacket is just an old one he had from before. Alternatively, maybe the brotherhood and outcasts made up or something, andthey're using the sole survivor to wreck the institute so they can steal their tech
>>315558250
How is he an ex NCR trooper if he was working for the institute before the bombs fell? Did he quit then rejoin?
>>315595439
The Institute has the most tech in the FO universe and BoS has a raging hardon for good tech. He's gonna use the PC to smoke the fuck out of synths and the Institute, then go in and loot everything.
And all of that will probably happen over the course of 3 quests, if we follow Skyrim's example. Fucking Bethesda.
>>315552964
>tfw Savannahfag
>My city is zombie game central
>>315595657
>>315595301
just saying from a fallout 1, 2 and NV perspective, this blows ass already in terms of fallout's story
>>315595826
What does?
>>315595620
He wasn't working for it before the bombs fell, anon. The baby-stealing scene happens in 2227 or so.
Also, concerning his NCR background, it doesn't sound like he necessarily a trooper after all.It's just indicated he grew up in it. The Hub is also mentioned.
I prefer the BOS being neutral or straight up /asshole/ or evil, though.
If you're a fucking super cyborg like people say,(spoilers!), then yeah, they'd want you tracked down, captured, dead or alive.
The BOS were NEVER good guys in the originals.FO:Tactics and other games changed them though.
>>315595937
just bethesda dumbing down every aspect, since when did transhumanism come into this? it's like if project nevada got made canon
>>315552451
We all know the F3 branch wasn't in the Brotherhood proper. They actually got CUT OFF from Central for their heresy and the outcasts were loyalists for the true Brotherhood
>>315595657
>And all of that will probably happen over the course of 3 quests
There are 18 BoS quests found in the pip boy app files.
>>315563612
The robots improved, the newest models (those squids) are pretty much EMP shielded and as for nukes Humans used up what they had and while it hurt them as long as one Robots survives they can sustain and build better in rads than a human could.
>>315596132
great bos in the limelight again just because they're cool and look good on the front cover
>>315552964
>tfw Anchorage fag
>at least we got a DLC, r-right, guys?
>>315595439
It's very simple and this is how it's gonna play out.
BoS are the 'DESTROY THE INSTITUTE SO WE CAN TAKE THEIR TECHNOLOGY, KILL ALL SYNTHS, FUCKING NON-HUMAN SHITS' faction in FO4. The Railroad is the 'DESTROY THE INSTITUTE SO WE CAN SAVE THE SANE SYNTHS AND GIVE THEM THE FREEDUMS, THEY IS PEOPLES TOO' faction and the Institute is the 'SYNTHS ARE AWESOME SLAVES, LOOK AT OUR BITCHING TECH THAT WE KEEP FOR OURSELVES SO WE CAN FUCK EVERYONE ELSE' bad guy faction.
You will destroy the Institute and then have a choice, either destroy all the synths because they pose a potential threat to humanity (Brotherhood) or rescue them and give them freedom because that's the humane thing to do (Railroad).
>>315596073
I will never understand the fans who complain when Bethesda tries bringing in new stuff, and then complain when they use old stuff.
>>315596073
I know they are, but the BoS and how they're handling them in this game is by far the least of our concerns. And besides, transhumanism can be made into a theme. I mean, the tech is already in the lore, why the fuck not right? But I don't trust them to handle it right, I'll tell you that much.
>>315596132
And how about other factions' quests? All in all, I'll just believe it when I actually play it. Skyrim and its shit-as-fuck quests EVERYWHERE just left a very, very bad taste in my mouth all this while. I won't ever believe Beth's shit again until I've played it for myself.
>>315552451
finally, i cant stand up helping this bitches like i i did in fallout 3, in fallout 1 and 2 were badasses but in 3 useless bitches who complains about :
>muh brotherhood
>muh people
>muh liberty prime
>muh enclave
>muh ammunition
>>315568375
Armor like versions of Faraday boxes which are real counter measures to EMP
It sounds stupid because it's mostly plastic, wadded paper, and/or cardboard insulation but it does work.
It's like the retards that think the vacuum of outer space is an autokill when it isn't and you could survive minutes out there(painfully mind you)
It all sounds stupid because we believe what TV/movies tell us.
Matrix has stupid plot points but the EMP shielding was not one of them.
>>315578962
Same
Robots killing humans didn't phase me but that poor robo girl getting so horribly wreck just made me turn away.
>>315596343Not quite. You can side with the Institute against everyone else.
>>315596452
8 Minutemen, 12 Railroad, and 16 Institute.
>>315552838
people that say edgy just to say it sounds extremity retarded.So maybe not do that so much.
>>315596993
>You can side with the Institute
Neat, I like that you can be the bad guy, that's
even better that I had thought.
So we have:
>Evil End, you side with the Institute
>Grey End, you side with the Brotherhood and kill all the Synths while stopping the Institute
>Grey End that will be presented as good end, you side with the Railroad, stop the Institute and save the Synths, who may end up being a threat to humans in the area in future due to them needing replacement parts when theirs break down, which means that when they can't get those parts they will hurt or kill humans to get them.
I like it. Sadly I expect Bethesda to sort of gloss over that last one as an unequivocally 'good' end that is best for everyone but whatever.
>>315553113
my nigga
I'm from moco, bethesdas headquarters is like 10 minutes away from me
>>315564808
>>315568375
>>315596831
The bigger issue is
why they lose all this defense
They wiped us out but in the third film we see they have EMP abilities that can kill a whole army. How is that not used day to do wipe out the robots?
You then have the issue that IF EMPs work on them why not just make a EMP generator fence or outpost? They started they had shielding that would protect against radiation which in turn would also shield against EMP so why did they not have this on their ships?
The the only plot filler you could make to have it reach any kind of sense is Colonel Sanders wasn't kidding about it being a staged act and all those Robots were just pretending to be fried to let the humans think they had a chance.
>>315558929
/jp/ has also kept /pol/shit at bay just by being /jp/. Best and worst board on the site simultaneously.
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