PEOPLE GOING TO JAIL FOR THIS SHIT
>>259580269
that robin guy has some gayass hair
>>259580269
Don't take shill bait guys
>>259580269
Who went to jail?
IGNORE THE SHIRT SHILLS
THIS IS BEING DONE TO DISTRACT US
>>259580386
What did you think it took to date a dyke like Quinn?
>>259580583
>15
why would anyone want to "date" let alone touch that hambeast?
>>259580573
>posting a pastebin on an image
Fuck.
>>259580718
It takes a maximum of 10 seconds to type in anon.
If you seriously think Phil Fish and Zoe Quinn are lying con artist then submit a report here.
https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
No they won't fine you if your suspicions are invalid. Even third party bystandards can file a complaint.
Bottom line, hacking claims were made. Hacking in itself is a federal offense. If Phil is too much of a pussy to report this claim to the feds then lets just do it for him and we can put all this behind us. This is just something to raise awareness so the Federal Bureau would investigate. Phil himself probably posted someone else's SSN. This is clear identity theft.
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/reporting.html#C4
If you are unsure how you were affected by this, then state you were slandered and harassed. If you actually donated money or paid Phil or Zoe anything, then put down you lost money. If your video game campaign was taken down because of this falseflaging, then put that down as slander and harassment. If you donated money to those campaigns, then write down how much money you lost.
Lets put an end to this.
>>259580715
SHE HAS WEIRD HAIR MAN, THAT'S SO ALTERNATIVE AND DIFFERENT LIKE ME
>>259580269
> Nathan
> Positive press
> an article about 50 greenlighted games from Steam
> months before the affair
> said literally 3 words about it
wow what a bunch of retards
>>259580269
you already lost guys. let it go.
>>259581204
Fuck off Zoe, I bet you'd love for us to stop talking about how corrupt gaming journalism is.
>>259581095
Wow dude you broke down the whole argument, he guys check out Sherlock here. Nothing to see here!
Fucktard fuck off
>>259581095
He wrote 3 articles on quinn. One was (allegedly) either a week before (according to logs, the possible timeframe starts there) to a week or two after they started fucking.
Do some research dumbass
Reminder to work on the timeline so we can have a clear history of what happened: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SMLKR0jXRxvaBcug-inONGFR5GCJk9nyqksaLAGdPVw/edit?usp=sharing
remember people if this hasn't been spread around somewhere. spread it!
>>259581037
to be fair that's the only hot part.
>>259581095
>they have no evidence
>why are they still mad
>so ez to debunk
>must b mysoginy keeping them going
Twitter pls go
>>259581431
> Do some research dumbass
I did.
The first article is the one with the greenlight.
Th second article is the one with him and many indie devs sitting on bed and talking about stuff. NOT JUST ZOE, MANY PEOPLE. The Papers Please dude, the Gone Home dude and many others.
The third article is the one on Kotaku about (again) multiple devs and their failed GAME_JAM. Many websites covered it, like Joysiq, Polygon, Wired and so on.
Here's the second article:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/03/22/gdc-video-oculus-rift-papers-please-gone-home/
Look, he's showing her the butt an doesn't give a shit about her.
And as for the GAME_JAM article, enjoy: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GAME_JAM
>>259581869
Yeah and we have proof that shes also having writers for websites that review her game donate to her PAtreon which goes directly to her bank account.
Guess thats all fine and dandy then.
>>259581204
Good shilling, this actually has the chance to make some people feel defeated.
However, the contrary is true. This fight is only beginning, and we've won all the battles so far. The retaliation has been moronic, particularly from Zoe herself and from Poisson.
>>259582076
But that's a different issue, doesn't have anything to do Nathan and Zoe having sex.
>>259582076
> Guess thats all fine and dandy then.
Journalists are not allowed to support developers they like?
Like, they can't participate in kickstarter campaigns of buy games? Because patreon is just an alternative to that.
>>259580269
Is there a way we can get her game removed from steam since it was greenlit under false pretenses?
>>259582368
>Journalists are not allowed to support developers they like?
No. It creates a conflict of interest.
So I went fishing for a week
You need to fucking green text an intro
What the fuck is this shit about?
Read the gdocs it on refers to the incident
And it doesn't explain what it was
>>259581653
Fuck you John Walker
Worse than Rick Berman
>>259581708
It isn't hot at all.
I still find it confusing that people cheated on their long term partners for that. Hell it makes me a little sad even.
>>259581869
What about Arnott being on the judging panel for an award won by Zoe? You're okay with that? What about Patricia Hernandez living with a developer she covers positively in her articles?
There is a standard that these people proclaim to hold themselves to that is NOT being met here. Not by a fucking longshot. THAT is why this whole thing is ongoing. We get to expose them for the hypocritical troglodytes they really are. This isn't just about Zoe anymore.
I just woke up, Someone please tell me what the fucks been happening in the last 12 hours.
Some video evidence of zeo in bed with journos and game devs:
https://vine.co/v/hLTrqB1QzAL
>>259580269
>suspected of faking dox/hack attacks
But it's been proven.
>>259580339
how are you sure that this is not some shitposter that gets off from this?
http://talk.hbo.com/t5/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John/Gaming-quot-Journalism-quot-Corruption/m-p/414484
>remidner
> make blogs
>inform people
>don't be silent when corruption take place!
>>259582521
some shitty indie dev fucked some guys
SJW try to erase controversy from the internet
everyone takes sides and everyone looks like a retard
phil fish might be going to jail :^)
>>259582368
No, you fucking idiot. You cannot do that. That is demonstrable bias, and if you're going to be a journalist then you're going to have to fucking deal with not being able to show any favouritism.
>>259582368
>>259582510
At the very least put up a disclaimer saying the guy pays her via her Patreon. Or just avoid him writing about her altogether, shit isn't that hard
someone post the allies picture, I didn't save it and the last thread 404'd
>>259580339
that guy is so obviously making shit up
>>259582651
I'm a professional shill, and I can confirm there are double shitposter unpaid-paid shill mods all over 4chan
>>259582657
hashtagg zoegate
>>259582690
but they're not journalist, they're clickbait writers
>>259582636
eugh
>>259582839
Well it is how indie games are made.
>>259581204
>lost
after what happened last night
No Zoe, the fire rises
>>259582368
No, it's not a good idea for a "journalist" to do that. That's called conflict of interest, and in journalism thats a hideous thing. If you MUST be biased toward something you are reporting on, at least be transparent about it so your readers can know the full story and make up their minds about the integrity of your report for themselves.
>>259580718
>not using Project Naptha
>>259582368
>patreon is an alternative to kickstarter
Fuck off.
>>259582612
The Fine Young Capitalist's IndieGoGo got hacked. Right now they're waiting to see if the servers roll back because whoever did it took the project down. All money is frozen until they get to the bottom of this (which is actually no money seeing as they don't get it until the project is fully funded).
This has resulted in a shit storm.
>>259582510
>>259582690
Wait, what?
How? Seriously, how the fuck?
If Sessler buys Gone Home from Steam, does it create a conflict of interest?
If some other reviewers gives money to the Dwarf Fortress guy, does it create a conflict of interest?
If someone gives a pledge to some kickstarter idea they like, it's a conflict of interest?
It makes absolutely no sense. Why would it be a conflict of interest if THE WRITER GAVE THE MONEY?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? The dev giving money/sex to the writer in exchange of positive press?
i like how the powers that be payed a bunch of shills to spout shit about our cause. 5 hours ago you were up in arms /v/
the hackins, the shirt the muh sekrit club faggots, its all done to get us thinking about something else.
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/2014/08/its-time-we-slay-the-invisible-monster-in-games-journalism/
>make a blog
>don't be silent when corruption take place
Can someone try to explain to me or post a summary of this whole bullshit with this woman I don't even know?
>>259583073
No, the shitstorm calmed down because it's been five fucking hours without any news.
>>259582368
All we ask for is a disclosure of their relationship. Apparently, that's fucking hard for these shitheads.
>>259582636
The fire rises.
>>259580269
Talk to everyone. Don't be silent. Keep calm. Ignore the shirt. Push for the Capitalists to restart the indiegogo, don't let them slack. DO NOT GET DISTRACTED. Dig, find the connections. EVERYONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED. Find the threads. /v/ we can do this. We are strong enough to push back the tide. We can and will win this, not just for Vivian, but for our brothers, our sisters, our kids, our friends. We will not loose gaming to these pricks.
>>259583146
>Some bitch fucked a guy
>/v/ makes a public mockery of itself once again
Threadly reminder the indiegogo bullshit is partly videogames and partly splitting egalitarian and SJW feminists into two groups to promote in-fighting. Do not allow yourself to be dragged from our true calling, but keep this in mind and don't fall for detractors telling you the sky is falling in.
>>259583065
Buying a game and donating money to a developer are 2 different things, shill.
>>259582563
That's something else, we need to cover on that.
But the proof regarding Grayson is flimsy and require massive leaps of logic; people need to drop it and focus on the other people.
>>259583192
try harder journo
>>259583146
Zoe Quinn makes a game called Depression Quest. It's a shitty text adventure. Nobody cares.
Zoe Quinn pretends the internet is harassing her for making a game about depression. Gaming news picks up the story, her game goes through greenlight despite overwhelmingly negative user reviews.
DQ wins an award as the IndieCade Night Games Selection.
Quinn is involved with 2 game jams. Both fail miserably and the reasons why can be traced directly to her.
Quinn starts her own game jam, Rebel Jam. Rebel Jam has no start date, no location, no participants listed. It has a donation link, though. Donating through the donation link on the Rebel Jam site sends money directly to her personal Paypal.
Her ex-boyfriend posts the story of their weird, abusive relationship online. In it, she's shown to be a manipulator, a liar, and a cheater.
More important, though, is who exactly she cheated with. The big names: Her married boss, the IndieCade Night Games Selection Judge, and a Journalist for Kotaku.
All major sites attempt to suppress this story. The entire Gaming Journalism scene tries to shield Zoe Quinn.
Meanwhile, Phil Fish gets hacked(potentially by himself) and quits games FOREVER.
/v/ goes on a side tangent and discovers Zoe Quinn is actually Chelsea Van Vandenburg, a dutch jewess vampire, and a member of one of the most powerfull families in the US (i'm not making this shit up)
At this point i went to bed, and when i woke up, i heard the TFYC's indiegogo-page had been taken down.
Page was hacked, we're waiting for more news.
>>259583073
no thanks chanology bro, hacking drama is better drama
>>259583065
If they're giving her money to fund her game they clearly have a vested interest in that game being a success.
>>259583065
They're invested in the success of that person.
It's not that hard.
They care about the person enough to give their own money so they're very unlikely to pass up an opportunity to support that person and are unlikely to release information which may lead to their failure.
>>259583065
No, the point being they support something like her patreon, which continously gives money to whoever. They then go and spread it around saying everyone should be doing this, using their "journalistic" pull to get others to do the same.
Actually thought someone was arrested. Fuck you for the disappointment, OP.
Had any gaming related media outlet covered the IndieGoGo hacking of TFYC?
I don't think they will, but it shows how they cherrypick what to report on
>>259583248
>loose
Autist pls.
But I am on it.
>>259582776
>>259582636
How do we save Vine clips?
>>259583295
Why? It's a different way of getting remuneration.
Tarn Addams (Dwarf Fortress guy) is making a living out of donations. The game is free, people who love it donate money to him. It's the same shit.
>>259583065
If someone donates to a kickstarters they now have an interest in it's success and cannot be trusted to give an unbiased review. That is the price you pay being a journalist. You are held to a very high standard.
>>259580573
No I am not going to drop this. I am not going to focus everyone on trying to "fix" gaming industry and let a bunch of excitable tumblr kids and reddit cross shitters ruin /v/ and turn us into chanology 2.0 with fucking real life vivian merchandise they ARE going to wear and upload.
This is just a snippet of all the vivian faggots suckling on the cock of TFYC. This is the faggotry that is going to be promoting /v/ and 4chan and pushing into the real world and taken to PAX.
Is there a thread about how the TFYC being hacked?
This is really disgusting.
The real question is, why did those people want to fuck an ugly obese feminist ?
>>259583315
we should start looking for more awards and stuff to implicate indiecade and that weird cockatoo looking fucker
>>259581095
>>259581869
The whole fucking point is that it exposed close relationships between writers and developers. It's a big fucking deal, this would be a scandal in any other kind of media, not only videogames, stop being obtuse on purpose.
>>259582886
>Well it is how Western indie games are made.
Fixed.
>>259583065
A reviewer should get a free copy of a game for review purposes.
Then they take it away after the review is done.
If the reviewer is best friends with the dev or something to that effect, he should tell another reviewer to do the job. Otherwise let the readers know its his friend. And try to be as unbiased as possible.
Not give someone a 10/10 after reviewing the game for an hour then going to lunch with teh dev with all the free swag you got from the publisher.
ITS FUCKING
DIS HONEST
>>259583487
>twitch chat being evidence of anything
>>259580269
Please tell me someone is going to jail from all this shit.
>>259583487
>LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME, i can't take a fucking joke
>>259583336
But hacking doesn't get results.
Remember what happened with Anita? Attacking these people only makes them stronger.
>>259583065
If they're putting money on the table to support a dev they're very unlikely to then release or cover information which may lead to their detriment.
>>259582636
>https://vine.co/v/hLTrqB1QzAL
>This is how indie games are made
>>259583330
>/v/ goes on a side tangent and discovers Zoe Quinn is actually Chelsea Van Vandenburg, a dutch jewess vampire, and a member of one of the most powerfull families in the US (i'm not making this shit up)
what the fuck
What happened to the indiegogo? Who shut it down exactly?
>>259583521
Shes a Jewish vampire or something.
>>259582368
I think it'd be enough if they were transparent with it and/or avoided reviewing the game or let someone else more unbiased to the review.
What the fuck is going on with this hack shit? Is anyone claiming responsibility?
>>259583248
People on /v/ are turning this into "TUMBLR AND REDDIT ARE INFESTING US FUCK OFF" bullshit, and it's doing exactly what Zoe and her supporters want. It's giving gaming journalism an out. We should be relentless.
>>259583280
Bullshit. Girl fucked a guy, suppressed a fuckton of people, pushed a biased narrative to the top of Google and made sure no one else reported on it. Tito from The Escapist openly admitted to bias and writing poor clickbait articles, Phil Fish might be going to jail, Robin Arnott was found to be a judge on an indie game panel which Zoe won, Kuchera from Polygon and others have been found to be funding Zoe through her paypal account, and finally Patricia Hernandez has been outed as living with a developer which she has covered favourably more than once.
This is not nothing.
>>259583487
>2,983 followers
>email notifications when they go live
That's just Twitch chat.
>>259583065
No. The conflict of interest is in outright telling people what to do/what you are doing in relation to your journalistic medium.
If a journalist is telling people to go buy a game or donate they're abusing a position of trust.
That may be a hard concept for you because journalists in video games have always been promoters first.
>Whats the highest rating I can get away with without instilling distrust
Rather than
>Whats the rating this game should have
>>259583651
Look it up on /pol/
>>259583629
There's a documentary against her on Patreon right now.
>>259583357
> They're invested in the success of that person.
You do the same thing by buying their games.
It's not like they get a part of the profit she makes from doing video games. They just get the game.
It's like blaming some random journalist for a being a Kojima fanboy and pre-ordering every single MGS game he does.
>>259583658
http://thefineyoungcapitalists.tumblr.com/post/95626418480/on-the-conspiracy
Hacked. They are trying to get it back.
>>259583594
Getting a free copy of the game being reviewed can be seen as a form of bribery. That needs to be disclosed as well.
>>259583065
>Shouldn't it be the other way around
No you fucking idiot, that only results in what we have now: devs buying good press for a shitty product.
You notice how not everything on Newegg or Amazon has 5 eggs/stars? It's because the manufacturers don't buy out the users of the products (the people able to actually review the things). Imaging if that happened with gaming journalism.
So are people on the case about TFYC being hacked? Were reports submitted for investigation? I would fucking hope people are on the ball about this one considering like 10K of their money is in it.
>>259583651
I wish I was kidding.
NIGGA WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS THING
>>259583710
Yep. I did it. Did 9/11 too.
>>259583710
/V/ is the one and only responsible. He will be held accountable. He doesn't forgive, at all.
>>259583729
This is live and I am lurking. This is grade A terminal leukemia and the notion of having people WANT a 4chan shirt cringe worthy in and of itself.
>>259583487
Faggot should've waited to chat with Matt.
dis info spread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126819011
>>259580269
>going to jail over video games blogs
top kek
>>259583594
> Not give someone a 10/10 after reviewing the game for an hour then going to lunch with teh dev with all the free swag you got from the publisher.
But this is not the case here. Nathan did not review any game made by her, unless your idea of review are 3 words in an article about 50 greenlighted games.
>>259581708
>hot
She looks like a big frog that's died
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO TFYC INDIEGOGO?
Post Vivian
>>259580974
Phil isn't american and his server is in Canada you twat.
>>259583451
Why is Davey Wreden on there?
>>259583065
>If Sessler buys Gone Home from Steam, does it create a conflict of interest?
Journalists are given review copies for the games.
>If some other reviewers gives money to the Dwarf Fortress guy, does it create a conflict of interest?
Yes.
>If someone gives a pledge to some kickstarter idea they like, it's a conflict of interest?
Yes. You fucking idiot.
>>259583945
OH GOD OH GOD I'M A FUCKING FAGGOT THAT CAN'T READ THE FUCKING THREAD, HURRDURR HERPDERP
>>259583945
Got meme'd by /V/
>>259583818
Stop. You'll only burst a blood vessel.
>>259582612
Simpsons marathon on FXX has got into the sixth season.
>>259580339
i need a heads up on the shirt issue
whats the problem about it? had no internet for 2 days and im not really finding something useful.
>>259583487
>reddit cross shitters
/v/ has already gotten a massive influx of reddit refugees thanks to reddit being in league with the zoe. Considering that you think of it as a "could be" rather than an "is" shows you didn't even notice it.
Also, you weren't around for chanology. Otherwise you'd know that /b/ split from it once people got touchy feely and the touchy feely people left /b/.
>>259583791
>devs buying good press for a shitty product.
But this is the other way around, press buying products from devs and reviewing them
>>259580269
Fails to mention that the online threats were invented by Quinn. Completely fictional.
And the people she pinned them on were the fucking experts of depression
So can anyone confirm that TFYC made weird drunk tweets? I only just woke up (Eurofag here) and missed the whole thing.
Please tell me they weren't that stupid.
>>259583815
the money never went anywhere, it was set up to be paid when the funding ended. it never left your paypal accounts
whether the donations will still be there when it comes back up is yet to be seen
>>259582903
Interesting read.
>>259583868
I know, I caught both of them it went from questions to constantly quoting everything said by TFYC.
Don't worry it's been mentioned before people know 4chan for being shit, they'll look for two weeks and 90% will leave.
>>259583710
>frequency is 420
spat out coffee. Right it's time to sleep
![XOF[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1yVNzsQ.jpg "XOF[1].jpg")
>PSN is getting DDoS'd
Could it be....
>>259583945
Was hacked not sure by who yet. Shills have been trying to throw us off the scent.
Lot of people working together to try and stop us from getting this shit investigated, its fucking bizzare.
>>259583452
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/B2DD019F-5CCF-4DBF-9547-CC679A739198-4046-000000A856A67E63_1352886748a.1.mp4?versionId=CGkBEYzdMT479gl4xd8FqWldQhCWS7.T
>>259583451
>CasualFennec
I just wish he drew straight furry pornBut h-he himself is cute tooOh fuck where is this going
>>259583945
Got hacked. Should be back up in a bit.
>>259583752
>>259583816
Just been there, there's nothing about it
>>259580974
>https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
Report the indiegogo hack as well. That will fit the FBI's criteria for investigation. Over $20k lost.
Realize these are timebombs of lulz. We won't know shit till the warrants are served and doors are kicked.
>>259583927
A boss confirmed there was an article giving it a review by the Nathan dude. I don't remember if it was taken down or not published. Take that as you will. You are not digging deep enough anon
>>259584153
Well ask them then. We split the job, /pol/ handles the illuminati level-shit
Daily reminder John Walker is a jaffa that can't have kids.
>>259583467
If someone who donated to Dorf guy wrote an article about it they should disclose their bias. It's as simple as saying "I personally really like this game and even donated to the creator, so I might be a bit biased" at the start and bam, your reputation is not ruined, everyone takes your article for what it is and no problems arise. Being honest is the best way to go.
>>259583927
This is bigger than just Zoe and Nathan, this is Zoe and everyone whos helped her get good press and cover for her.
This is about all the journalists that are best buds with devs
>>259583594
>should get a free game
Haha no.
I think they should buy the games with their own money so they can actually evaluate if it's worth the cost or not.
>>259583774
You have no idea how reviews work. Do you really think Car And Driver is buying Ford Fiestas?
>car given to magazine
>car is reviewed
>car is taken away
This is exactly how it happens with videogames too
>>259583280
That's not how you green text, are you new? of course you are, I've backtraced you're IP
Man I need to get some sleep. Hold the lines.
Remember: Ignore the shills, ignore all distractions focus on corruption. We are winning so far.
>>259584020
>Journalists are given review copies for the games.
Wait, that's better? Getting a free copy of the game, getting other freebies is okay but the dev BUYING THE GAME himself is bad?
I mean look, whatever pseudo-games Zoe makes, they are released for free. A way to pay for what she did is Patreon.
> supporting a product means you're biased regarding that product
How fucking retarded. Kickstarter and patreon pledgers DON'T GET A FUCKING SHARE OF THE MONEY. They get a game and a t-shirt.
The game can still be shit, can still not be made.
I pledged for Broken Age and Wasteland 2. Am I biased now? No, I know they are shit and I regret doing it. I don't fanboy over shitty games just because I gave them some money, hoping they'll do a good product.
Nathan Grayson - Robin Arnott Corruption
http://imgur.com/a/bqhRY
Anna Antrophy - Leigh Alexander Corruption http://imgur.com/a/x0NpT
>>259583451
This is the saddest picture I have ever seen, I hope when this is all over you fucks can go back to reddit/tumblr or whatever shithole you crawled out of.
>He sent a le tweet!
>on our side
>epicccccxxx xd!@!!!!!
>>259583357
>They're invested in the success of that person.
BUt they care even if they are not giving any money. The money itself isn't your issue. You're looking at something prepheriory and using it as the core of the argument.
>>259583350
How?
If they buy the game they review do they have an interest it in being good?
>>259583594
>Then they take it away after the review is done.
That isn't how it happens in anything.
>>259583637
Why?
>>259584041
>buying products from devs and reviewing them
Which makes them little different from user review.
>>259583487
Twitch chat have always, always, ALWAYS been fucking cancer, literally no exceptions.
>>259582776
This faggot makes me want to castrate the human race.
>>259584040
I notice and that is why I am sitting here fucking shaking my head because the idea of making a fucking /v/ shirt would be shot down inside of a minute. Now there are so many fucking reddit shits here who fucking LOVE the idea of being part of this epic new meme while we CURE VIDEO GAMES that the idea was pushed through and now people are making vivian shirts left and right. Excite and anticipating wearing them and promoting 4chan openly like it is something to be proud of.
I know /b/ disowned it. I know what happened before and how the fawkes mask are now universal seen as a faggot tattoo. I am begging everyone now to look to the past to see what is obviously going to happen in the near future.
>>259583773
>iFred
>that fucking terrible shirt
Told you faggots. Remember this shitty fucking board did this.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=126819011
spreading dis-info
share all your information to the sheeples
>>259583936
Holy fuck how sexually deprived is the game dev industry?
I mean this granade would be begging to give bathroom bjs at any other social group.
>>259584368
YES. SPREAD IT.
>>259583761
by a racist and a moron who uses fake smokes.
It will be trops vs men all over again
>>259584261
what's a jaffa and why he can't have kids?
>>259583774
You don't know how this works, do you.
>journalist is given the review copy of the game
>they play the game
>they return the game
Not difficult.
/v/ has finally been taken over by leddit and tumblr.
Good job.
>>259584359
>>259584285
they get given game
then its taken away after review is done
>>259584228
>A boss confirmed there was an article giving it a review by the Nathan dude.
No, the boss was talking about the GAME_JAM article. He linked it himself.
Look, I'm not saying people are not biased for Zoe. But I think we should focus our energies on Hernandez and Arnott, those directly helped her. Nathan barely counts in here and attacking him makes it sound like we focus more on the sex scandal than the lack of journalistic integrity.
>>259584492
Lets get this shit rolling
>>259583764
Not the same.
Buying a game is an investment in the software, the person is convinced the game is worth the amount paid.
Donating to a patreon is an investment in the person, there is no direct product on offer. Without even being offered a game a reviewer believes the developer should be sustained.
This is clearly a conflict of interest and it should at least be acknowledged by those who write shit about Devs they support.
It's hard to instill trust in a review of actions or products when the writer believes the subject is worth investing in at a base level.
>>259583357
We let fans of a series review games in that series, we let fans of developers review their games.
>>259583978
>implying the US about borders
>>259584359
jesus christ you are really slow eh?
Investing in a project =/= buying the game. In the former they have interest in the game succeding, in the second it's normal consumer-dev interaction.
>"This is nothing but dead, white male-bashing from a PC thug. It's women like you that keep the rest of us from landing a husband."
>>259584324
Except the game is never taken away.
Neither can the sex or money.
Hah, the dude who hacked TFYC is hilarious. Now the game journos are in a tough place. Do they report on this and give someone who is no friend of Burgers and Fries attention and money, or stay silent and catch flack for not reporting the hacking of a company making games thought of by women.
>>259584432
Neofag doesn't like facts. They'll get mad at us.
>>259584324
This model does not apply to digital copies of games. Once the review key is given, that's 1 sale you you never make back.
>>259584418
>NAME A CHARACTER IN DOOM
>>259584545
>they return the game
But they don't.
Still got my press copy of Little Big Planet.
>>259584373
Zoe pls go
>>259584418
>name me a female character in doom
YOU SHOOT THINGS
WHY DOES IT MATTER
THAT'S ALL YOU DO IN THE GAME
>>259584397
What do you think a review is?
>>259584591
>then its taken away after review is done
THats not how it tends to work.
Their version if given before release is often not the same as the finished product, but the review copy isnt taken away
>>259583945
It got hacked by the head mod of /V/.
>>259584418
>uses the 47% female statistic unironically
Stop. There's no way. Some people are just complete, utter retards. He won't budge now. Let it go.
>>259584545
It's well documented that if you give a game a bad review, you don't get review copies for future games. Or if you do, it's like a day before the game launches so you can't really do a review in time to matter.
>>259584418
>"Misogyny" should be thrown about without any evidence because women's feelings are more important than a man's livelihood
Fucking hell who is teaching them this shit?
>>259584669
But kickstarter is not INVESTMENT, you fucking retarded. It's donation, it's patronage. IT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
Investment implies you get profits. Kickstarter is not about getting money back, it's about putting money together to get a game off-the-ground.
>>259583330
>/v/ goes on a side tangent and discovers Zoe Quinn is actually Chelsea Van Vandenburg, a dutch jewess vampire
??? [citation needed]
You know what's really scary about this whole debacle? That professional sites that hold people's private details and handle online payments can actually be broken into by a bunch of angered forum kids.
This is some Hackers tier shit.
>>259582636
>>259583452
>>259584126
WebM for posterity. Post it often so others have it.
>>259584418
I'm pretty sure the cacodemons are female. Not sure that helps the argument though.
You all need to stop referring to these people as 'journalists' and call them what they are, glorified bloggers.
>>259584832
>>259584747
I can't even name a male character in that game
>>259584418
>Saying Doom is misogynistic
Jesus. Keep arguing with him please, not because you are proving a point but because he is such a complete moron his statements are fucking hilarious.
>>259584423
shut up shill
>>259584732
He is suggesting a change you faggot
>>259584619
>It's hard to instill trust in a review of actions or products when the writer believes the subject is worth investing in at a base level.
But thats how they think anyway.
I know some film reviewers who support the works of directors at a base level because they thoroughly enjoy the things they make, even if not every single movie.
Its the same issue just no patreon account
>>259584734
>Zoe pls go
Yeah man even though I support this whole thing, but all of you reddit tier faggots and tumblrites need to go back already. This board is taking the piss fast.
>>259582903
>Go back to playing games.
Isn't that what she's supposed to be doing?
>>259583818
This is how it works.
SJWs are brainwashed, and im not even kidding. like, there is a fucking post on /tg/archive that explains how you brainwash people, and it fits their modus operandi to a T with bullying people to mental breakdown with PRIVILIGE-yelling and how you cannot get rid of it. and then "recruiting" them by saying "You can join us and then you become a GOOD person free of any privilege". Its a fucking Cult in behaviour.
And i have seen their fucking methods and not only online. How?Sweden, Yes
>>259584545
>>259584324
This isn't true, Jeff from Giantbomb on several occasions has talked about still having his review copies of games.
Also, the real issue with bribery in games journalism isn't a $60 game which is nothing. The real issue is the early access to review copies that are held at ransom unless you give the publisher's other games good reviews.
Other than Zoe Quinn fucking some guys for publicity, this is the real issue with games journalism.
>>259580269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=494uunKrvLQ
JUSTICEEEEE
>>259584917
Well, at least Destructoid editors flatly admitted to this, so at least they dodged the responsibility bullet even before it was fired.
>>259584324
>This is exactly how it happens with videogames too
No it isn't.
Where are you getting this idea?
>>259584545
>being this ignorant
You do realise that it's a black and white relationship right? You on the white list = you get games for free. Blacklist = you get fuck all.
Jim Sterling even is blacklisted for criticising Konami. This sort of shit is half the reason everyone is pissed about this games 'journalism' shit.
>>259584732
thus, corruption in the gaming industry
ta daaaaaaaaaaaa
Guys? What happened to TFYC's ingiegogo?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2
Dead now?
>>259584712
Catch flack from who? It's not like anyone important cares for this shit. We should try to get someone to cover the hack
>>259584041
People in the gaming industry that try to pass themselves off as "journalists" typically get all kinds of free crap (remember the Ubisoft tablet incident?) in exchange for positive press.
Plus all the folks that had steam accounts were getting games for free, although I think that stopped recently.
It's all ridiculous.
If they're made to pay for them like everyone else they can correctly evaluate if the product is worth the cost put in.
>>259584917
This.
I really fucking hope this is the first step of shit 'gaming journalism' falling into Oblivion.
And the only reviews or whatever out there would be from people personally, whether on youtube or what have you.
Seriously, there's multiple reasons why these people can't be taken seriously. They can never write for shit.
>>259584832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMUb1TDDYQo
>>259583594
>Then they take it away after the review is done.
But what about digital games?
>>259585074
Anon if you live in sweden i sincerely apologize and feel extremely sorry for you
>>259584941
Doomguy
UAC marines
...
The bunny
>>259584423
You are new. You're that same newfaggot that comes in, starts thinking it's their super-secret-special club, and throws a hissy-fit when they do something that you fear would "shit-up the board". I've seen it on every single board in this rotten place for years. You hold the board to a standard of quality that has never existed ever.
Do you realize how many raids and shit have gone on since this site began, and you think this shit will "kill" the board?
>>259584623
I'm not against these articles being written.
The authors just need to disclose their investments and relationships if they're going to spew 750 words telling me that whatever they like is really great.
All we ask for is disclosure (and recoursing when it comes to weighted reviews of product)
>>259585154
>>259585154
SJWs probably reported it and it got taken down, not sure.
>>259584418
There is no fucking way to appease these people. I seriously hope that AAA companies stop trying to pander to them because there's obviously no way they will be appeased.
>Weak female: DAMSEL IN DISTRESS
>Strong female: MALE POWER FANTASY
>All females: TEENAGE BOY SEX FANTASY
>No females: WOMEN ARE UNDERREPRESENTED
>>259585015
He never said that.
>>259585074
Are you talking about this? Based Jontron tweeting this, even though he stepped down he still spread this image to like 200k followers.
>>259583065
Fuck off you shill.
>>259584821
>arguing semantics
They donate because they want the game to succeed. If they want the game to succeed they cannot be trusted to be objective about the issue. Either state your personal feelings before making an article about it, or don't talk about it at all.
http://talk.hbo.com/t5/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John/Gaming-quot-Journalism-quot-Corruption/td-p/414484
REMEMBER ABOUT JOHN OLIVER
HE MAY OR MAY NOT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THIS.
EVEN IF HE DOESN'T MAKE AN ACTUAL VIDEO, A FACEBOOK STATUS AND/OR TWEET IS ENOUGH TO GET THE INFORMATION TO THE OPEN PUBLIC.
MAKE AN ACCOUNT, LIKE THE POSTS AND ANSWER, THEN CONTACT HIM THROUGH FACEBOOK AND/OR TWITTER
>>259584821
I hate the people who think they are guaranteed a good product if they fund something on Kickstarter.
It's a donation you make hoping the idea succeeds, they can legally take the money and give you nothing in return since it's a donation (At least I think it's legal, since Yogventures (hah) didn't get completely fucked over when they couldn't deliver)
>>259584359
>Wait, that's better? Getting a free copy of the game, getting other freebies is okay but the dev BUYING THE GAME himself is bad?
That doesn't happen, though. Review copies are returned.
>How fucking retarded. Kickstarter and patreon pledgers DON'T GET A FUCKING SHARE OF THE MONEY
That's the point you fucking idiot. The people pledging are favouring one project over another. Not a problem. UNLESS YOU'RE A FUCKING JOURNALIST.
>I pledged for Broken Age and Wasteland 2. Am I biased now?
No. Because, again, you're not a journalist.
>>259585154
/V/ strikes again
>>259585187
Well, every digital game would give the reviewer a permanent copy, so it wouldn't create an unbalanced field.
Just a note from the "outside" world.
You can tell that this is a bunch of kids/redditors/tumblrfags throwing a shitfit etc.
If this another board, we would've had taken down all "enemy" sites, closed twitters etc.
Atleast we aren't afraid of black hat operations like you pathetic fucks.
You are all being tricked left and right.
/v/ sure has gone full cancer, not even australian shitposters care.
What about a south park quinnspiracy episode?
Matt and trey make fun of every fucking thing.
Good way for it to reach the masses.
>>259582521
phil fish self doxxing and self leak many sales document so he can jack up sales price of his company, any canadian should report this incident to their authority.
>>259585154
It got hacked. There was a message up saying that they were closing it because they don't support /v/ raiding but that has been confirmed fake on their tumblr. The hacker put that there. They're working to get it restored. And remember, they don't get a penny until they reach complete funding so they didn't run off with any money.
>>259585348
The truth is comedy gold in itself
>>259585074
>Sweden
Oh my God. Anon, I'm so sorry.
>>259584418
>47% of gamers are women
no
god no
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
NONO
well, well, well, what have we here another couple of faggot neckbeard shitting up the place with his /b/ faggotry. you picked the wrong time to fuck around, asshole. i've just texted the /V/ head mod (we're friends irl) about this thread, so he'll be here shortly to deal with the matter, and most likely hand out some sorely needed bans. i'm also going to report and sage the thread (for safe measure), as well as alert the other moderators in the 4chan irc channel. and just in case you wanna try and pull a fast one, i'm screen shotting the entire thread for additional proof and e-mailing moot about the matter personally. i'm tired of you stupid fucking dick sniffers pressing out whatever lolrandom faggot shit you want on the fucking /V/ board. it's time for you assholes to get a reality check, because this shit won't fly for much longer. prepare your anus, you 500 pound pile of shit. your days are fucking numbered faggots
Zoe hacked the indiegogo
>>259585337
>If this another board, we would've had taken down all "enemy" sites, closed twitters etc.
So why don't you do that fagbait?
>>259585145
>Jim Sterling even is blacklisted for criticising Konami.
Not anymore, they gave him games again.
And he savaged them, still not back to being blacklisted.
>>259585219
>The authors just need to disclose their investments and relationships
Its not really an investment, but sure.
However, given how unimportant that aspect is I dont think people would even care. I mean they dont hide the paetron stuff
>>259584821
So giving money to a project with the aim of helping it succeed is demonstrably NOT investment because... why, exactly?
Hey, you know those guys that were harassing and even threatened a 13 year old boy on twitter?
Has anything happened to them? Last time I checked, making physical threats against anyone is a crime
>>259584418
SJWs could really benefit from a dictionary. I realize the dictionary is a MAN'S INVENTION, but god damn, what is this even? So many misused words in their arguments. Never mind the number of times they appropriate words, or invent new ones entirely.
Plus, how do they know Doomguy wasn't gender fluid? How CIS of them.
>>259585409
It's true :^)
>>259585074
I am so sorry anon. You're always welcome to Fingolia
>>259585409
This is true with context: You have to look into the kind of games they play, and it will make sense.
>>259585337
This isn't a raid, dipshit
>>259583290
the inide gogo shit splits SJW too.
THE FINE YOUNG CAPITALIST'S INDIEGOGO PAGE IS GONE
I REPEAT, THE INDIEGOGO PAGE IS GONE
>>259583065
>>259582368
This is journalist integrity 101.
Someone writing an article about something they like (not writing an objective review of it, not writing a piece to show facts, but simply telling people my friend made a game so you should all go buy it) that's not journalism, it's called advertising, and when you pretend advertising is news and pretend advertising is journalism that's when integrity breaks down.
If the NYTimes had a full-page spread about how fucking awesome coca-cola is and it told everyone to go out and buy coca-cola because they're wonderful, charitable souls, and pepsi was saying mean things about them and are jerks, and then when people sent in letters asking about the shady things the company has done and the NYT replies telling them to eat shit and die, there would be a fucking uproar.
>>259584591
Hey remember the newest sim city, how this was exactly the case and the reviewed product in no way reflected the released product?
Also, why can't they just buy the games? They don't NEED to review every single game out there.
If I was a car journalist you don't think it'd be absurd to expect every single manufacturer to give me a car for a period of time to review it while they drive me to nice places and buy me nice food?
>>259582368
People like you are the reason shit like this is considered acceptable in modern journalism.
>>259585290
> If they want the game to succeed they cannot be trusted to be objective about the issue.
Everyone wants games to succeed, even press.
That doesn't mean they're not going to call it out if the game is shit.
Again, I backed several kickstarter projects myself and was heavily disappointing. I bought Minecraft when it was 5 dollars and now I completely hate it and I hate Notch.
Wanting a game to succeed and be a quality product doesn't mean I have a personal stake in it. It means wanting better games.
>>259585301
>they can legally take the money and give you nothing in return since it's a donation
Not true, they are legally obligated to try and fulfill all backer rewards.
>(At least I think it's legal, since Yogventures (hah) didn't get completely fucked over when they couldn't deliver)
Nobody tried to go after them
>>259580269
Reminder that we have the support. We can do this.
