Was there any point to this demo beyond showcasing the combat being fucking awful and the game not worth buying?
>>341912636
I get the feeling that after all this time, they don't really know what they're doing with the game and they're just throwing stuff out there and hoping that it works. Like they never figured out how to translate the basic combat and movement concepts into good gameplay and they're just making content without real direction. That's the only explanation I can think of for why everything changes from build to build, why they keep soliciting feedback and making major system changes, and why it still isn't any fun to play.
>>341913023
Having played both demos I can definitely see that.
A lot of people are wondering how the game works, and the answer really is that it doesn't.
>>341912636
Is that a dog penis on it's head?
>>341912636
No, that's pretty much the whole point of it. What a piece of shit, I can't believe they've spent this long and still don't have a fun game.
>>341913023
FFXV: A World Reborn coming 2018, please look forward to it. This is exactly what they did to FFXIV when it came out for the first time. They made a half baked product that wasnt ready and threw it out to the public and then wondered what happened. You'd think that they'd have learned after that too, but nope.
>>341912636
>the game not worth buying?
That's exactly the point of a demo, anon. You cant try the game before you buy it.
ED was fine, I just felt like the UI stuff was obviously placeholder stuff
and then PD came out and was terrible and the new videos still show bad UI. Also how the fuck is there no footage of the fucking skill tree 3 months before launch?
>>341912636
I really wish they just cancelled this game and focused on FF7 remake then start a whole new Final Fantasy 15. I remember being really hyped for this when they announced the change to 15 but almost every piece of news since has been a disappointment and the demo's have all sucked. Of course this games makes me really worried about FF7 remake being even decent considering they seem to have similar gameplay.
As someone who hasn't played the demos yet, what's wrong with it?
This game is gonna be ultra comfy, I don't know why people can't see it
Why don't you guys like it? I thought the levels were all cool as shit and combat was fun enough.
>>341917151
You're not alone anon, I had a smile the whole time I played the demo. Gave me those Kingdom Hearts 1 feels.
>>341918341
>>341918538
I literally can't see what's wrong with this
>>341916038
>graphics are more important than gameplay
>>341917123
The combat is floaty, unfun nonsense. There is just nothing going on beyond cool animations with no weight or feel.
>>341918740
It is not pn pc and 80% on /v/ are Pcucks so there you go.
I think it was supposed to showcase lighting / weather effects and some other special effects. Also vehicles. But yeah, it was pretty bad overall.
>>341918740
That's because you haven't actually played it, try judging actual gameplay instead of the animations.
>>341919953
>pc players complaining about their experience with a demo not on pc
Epic.
>Completely unrelated FF thread is posted as soon as the last one croaks
Don't feed the shill, people.
>>341915832
God thats gorgeous
>>341920078
The only thing I can infer from it is that you pretty much can't get hit if you just spam dodge and it seems to have regenerating HP?
>>341916682
I wouldn't worry. The people who made the VsXIII concept so great were moved over to FF7 RE when Tabata took over.
>>341916331
Cause for once in the video game indusrty they dont want to spoil a single damm thing where every company spoils there game
>>341920469
>don't feed the shill
>thread calls the combat "fucking awful" and flatly states that the game is "not worth buying"
>shill
I think something is wrong with your head m80.
>>341920469
Maybe you should actually check what time the thread was made instead of acting like a retard.
But look at how C I N E M A T I C is is OP with its chromatic aberration out the ass and depth of field so intense as to cover up our shitty art design
>>341913023
I've had this crystal clear and have been saying it to apparently no effect since they announced Tabata was taking over and the entire game combat system was reduced to playing by keeping the commands pressed and you couldn't switch members. Like what the actual fuck. Who in their right senses would do that when you have a prototype that already allows it.
It clearly used to be the logical and grown-up's evolution from Kingdom Hearts 2, but that 2 year hiatus until it showed up in E3 with Tabata directing the title completely killed off the gameplay.
What a fucking hack, this clearly isn't his project and it should've never been given to him.
>>341921182
Stop it, you will summon bazztek. We don't want that.
>>341912636
Shota Noctis was really cute desu
The ED demo was okay, I actually grew to like it after some time with it.
This new demo took everything good or even bearable about the gameplay and threw it out the window.
Will the full game throw that demo out the window and actually be good?
>>341921315
I don't even know who that faggot even is and I couldn't care less. Some autist anons won't make my words any less true.
>>341919451
>Tutorial Boss
Okay?
People are still getting excited for corridor simulators in 2016.
>>341921525
it's xv-kun.
>>341920983
>>341921030
>Never created a thread early/haranguing the thing you wanted to shill to bait
Seriously?
>>341921731
Maybe you should actually check what time the thread was made instead of acting like a retard.
>>341921641
>its just a demo
>its just a tutorial
>its just a beta
>they'll patch it
>>341921641
>If I ignore the actual problem and pretend there is some other context going on it makes the problem go away
No. The combat is garbage, that "tutorial boss" is the final boss of the demo, and it's dull as fuck to fight.
>>341921182
Maybe they should fucking stop making terrible autopilot "action" RPGs and make Final Fantasy turn based again
>>341921182
I miss Versus.
>>341917151
Dude I'm just buying this game for the feels and comfyness. And maybe the story.
People are acting like combat in Final Fantasy was once fun or some shit.
On a different subject. What do you guys think of the anime?
So, is there anyone here defending the game who actually played the Platinum demo?
It really seems like that's not the case.
>>341918341
>>341918740
>>341919953
>>341920484
>>341921641
>>341922209
???
>>341922209
Episode 2 playing in literal Japan was immersion breaking. I mean seriously?
>>341921964
>>341921968
>Tutorial boss doesn't force you to use any mechanics to show off the depth of combat and is a sandbag
Who woulda thunk?
>>341922082
This wasn't going to be a main title. Just like, I don't know, fucking final fantasy advenure for example. I miss having hopes.
But I agree. I miss turn based combat. But suddenly people decided somehow that turn based games are obsolete despite bravely default selling like there is no tomorrow.
Whatever. I'll just kill myself or something.
>>341922086
It looked so fun anon. I get sad at times.
>>341922086
Looks like KH-lite desu senpai.
>Those portraits in the lower right
lol
>>341922529
>ITS JUST A TUTORIAL
>THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THIS GAME MADE BY A SHIT COMPANY THAT HASNT MADE A GOOD GAME IN A DECADE IS SHIT.
>>341912636
>the combat being fucking awful
Source?
>>341922649
>Those portraits in the lower right
I'm glad those are gone at least, they looked very distracting.
>>341922639
Thats the real irony, is that Square started to feel like turn-based games were antiquated so they threw out a turn-based game that fucking everybody went nuts for and they still don't get the hint
If you're over the age of 12 you should probably realize that Kingdom Hearts fucking killed Square on top of being a terribly written, boring to play series that became the fucking framework of every main title they've made since.
>>341921182
I had a certain professor in college. In public, when showing off the work of students who would reflect well on him, he'd be all smiles, downplaying how much he'd helped them but making sure everyone know he was involved in their development. He would say shit like how proud he was of their work and talk up all the stuff they would do in the future.
In private, he was a complete dildo. Everything - including the way he taught his classes - was geared towards reinforcing his ambitions of taking over the department. He would ignore students who weren't on board (literally saying things like, "Get on the bus or get run over"), kick them out of the facilities (illegally) during study hours, embarrass them, give them minimal help, stuff like that. He would hold private mixers and grab a bunch of his proteges for trips to a large city nearby and then regale all the students who didn't get to go with stories of what they did, rather than teach class. He also tried to undermine other teachers. And you wouldn't really notice this stuff until he locked in on you; he'd only attack people in a way that made it look like they deserved it, but as soon as it happened to you, you would look back and realize that he'd gone off on people for silly shit.
But again, in public, it was always about how great things were. Anyone who was suspicious and questioned it was given a smiling, wishy-washy answer that low-key absolved him of all fault, and then the asker would be put on his hit list.
I say all this because Tabata strikes me as just like him, down to the fashion sense and being a manlet. A lot of devs are hard-nosed in-studio, but there's a certain stink on guys who are manipulative, untruthful, and out for themselves. A game takes 10 years to come out and there's a smooth transition to a new director? Please.
>>341922649
>Looks like KH-lite
The Platinum Demo is basically Kingdom Hearts except you just hold the attack button instead of mashing it mindlessly
>>341922701
Maybe if you keep greentexting in caps, whatever you say will become true.
This game is still gonna sell and be successful no matter what. Personally, I think it looks boring as fuck and it plays terribly but that's just one guy's opinion in a sea of rabid FF fans who will suck this game's dick like no tomorrow. It's a shame because I was so hyped for this game when it first was announced but everything that's been shown has just killed any hype I had.
>>341923118
Maybe if you keep deflecting, your game wont be shit
Pro tip: it will still be shit.
>>341923117
Doesn't sound much better than the shit build that we have now.
>>341923436
That's what I mean.
>>341922649
>Looks like KH-lite desu senpai.
Well, I mean, that's kind of what we wanted. Late game could have all the flashy aerial combat that's hard as hell to control if it wanted, because by then we'd be use to the controls. The only thing I like in XV over this is the UI design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axpKb5dyjz8
>>341922209
First episode was really good. The second episode killed any hope I had for the story. It confirmed that we are 100% in Jap-pandering territory.
>>341922086
That looks absolutely no different from current FFXV.
Anyone have the webm that shows FFXVs combat and Versus combat side by side
>>341912636
It was just a glorified tech demo showing off the graphics and a tutorial covering basic combat without any party members to support you.
It was fun for me but I really want to get into the meat of the combat system with linked attacks and having battles against more than one enemy rather than 1v1 against an Iron Giant.
I'm still hyped and believe this will be a good game. Maybe not 10/10 but a satisfying 8.
The demo was great, after I learned how more advanced combat worked.
>>341922961
I like old school games, and I also like KH. Fuck me, right.
I don't think KH is at fault but the companly simply lakcing any kind of talent and direction besides a few people here and there.
Sakaguchi used to push creating IP's and variety. Him leaving the company really hurt it. Yeah, the spirits within bombed, but c'mon.
What was the reasoning given for making this FFXV anyway? Were they flat out of ideas and just decided to repurpose a spin-off into the next mainline title?
Is it just me that would rather they just bring back ff10 combat? This shit looks godawful
>>341923818
No, there are subtle differences. In KH and VsXIII, attacks only move the character if the attack moves them or the enemy is knocked back; otherwise, they stand in one place. In XV, there's weird instances where Noctis is attacking a stationary enemy but is flitting around it, attacking from the left, then the right. It's disorienting. On top of that, PD features the windup and knockback slowdowns that were in Type-0; slowed animation, not framerate. Again, for KH players, this is disorienting.
What happens when you make an action RPG that's more about spectacle than actual RPG or good combat. I still find the warp dodge mechanic hilarious, as if a fucking bandaid placed ontop of the fact that Noctis controls like a salted slug.
It looks pretty but I really really really hate the combat system. I wish they had used FF12 style fighting instead of trying to do this realtime mess. The fighting in 12 was the best mix of turn based and real time combat and the gambits gave you so much control over everything, gah I loved that game.
>>341924701
Noctis moves fine. I can tell you haven't played the two demos
>>341924559
Stop posting xv-kuns cherry picked webm, the gameplay is completely different. Only the animations are the same.
Final Fantasy Dissidia is the only good FF game after this. Is that coming to the west too? I heard its on japanese arcades or something
>>341924548
Pretty much. Of course they are the same animations, FFXV is built from that prototype. But the game feel is different even from the video.
>inb4 waah waah how can you even tell them appart you didn't try the versus 13 one waah waah.
>>341924559
>tfw the new stuff actually looks better than the old stuff
Why are people trying so hard to force this "FFXV is bad" meme?
I played the titan demo at E3 and it was awful. I couldn't tell what the hell was going on 90% of the time.
>>341924802
>FF12 style fighting
Yeah, press x for auto attack is really fun. I bet you also shit on XIII for its press x for combat
>>341924802
This. FF12 had the best combat in the series, the end.
Although i like the KH-like combat a lot as well, it doesn't feel like a good fit.
>>341924871
I didn't exactly buy a game I didn't like to play Episode Duscae, but I've played the Platinum Demo several times. I may not understand the 'advanced control' but that doesn't magically make Noctis suddenly control smoothly and excuse the developer's poor handling of his movement.
>>341924802
combat in 12 was horse shot
>>341922529
>game feels like shit
>isn't fun
>IT'S JUST A TOTORIAL
That doesn't even begin to make sense.k Also, >>341922310
>>341923561
Assuming the game had enough environment diversity I would've loved it so much... why didn't they just make two games? The art seems a lot different, although that could just be lighting, now everything looks a little bit too vibrant, almost like a cartoon
>>341924871
He moves like shit compared to other games that accomplish what FFXV's battle system is trying to emulate. After playing other action RPGs you start to form an expectation of how games with similar mechanics should control and FFXV completely fails at it. It fails at something that its TRYING to be.
>>341924956
>stop proving me wrong
ok
>>341918341
>>341918538
>>341920235
These look pretty advanced and yet the game doesn't seem fun.
>>341925036
>>341925134
>demo
whoa
>>341925185
Stop samefagging bazztek, you didnt prove anyone wrong. The animations are the same the gameplay is not.
>>341912636
why did they put a dog's penis on this giant rabbit/cat thing?
fucking japs...
>>341925242
A demo is supposed to make you feel optimistic about the final product.
>>341924973
Because /v/ is shit posting central. If it was on PC /v/ would like it.
>>341925185
All that webm shows is that they reused some animations because obviously they're not going to throw them away for no reason and start from scratch, but the way the game actually plays is clearly different.
>>341912636
It was a tech demo for investors and potential employers/employees.
The tech came first before even the game play.
>>341925425
> /v/ is shit posting central
Bazztek confirmed.
>>341924973
>the outdated and no longer relevant build looks better than the old mock up
That doesn't actually make the current game any good, mr. meme.
>>341925290
>bazztek
Can we fucking bad these people who keep throwing around these gamefaqs circlejerk aliases?
This isn't fucking gamefaqs.
>>341925242
Yes it's short for demonstration, it demonstrates the game allowing you to make judgements of it.
Even with all the reused animations from Versus XIII, it actually looks like something derived from that whole 'time period' of games with camera and gameplay movement that's more close to KH2 and Dissidia than I realized before. Too bad the final product fucked it up.
>>341925242
I'm still looking forward to the game but the demo was balls, man.
Man American evening time /v/ is so refreshing to read compared to cancerous EU hours with bazztek shitposting. This thread sums up exactly how I feel.
>>341924802
I would much rather have combat like FFXV than 12. 12 was so mindlessly boring
>>341925186
Because there's no player involvement going on other than pressing a button occasionally. Show someone footage of Devil May Cry 3 or 4 next to this and if they haven't played it they might go "whats the difference" when there's really so much more going on in a Devil May Cry game that is up to the player's ability. It's a perfect example of this game trying to be something that it isn't because the devs aren't willing to go as far as they need to while the game is still called Final Fantasy and instead of just making a new IP.
>>341925535
>these people
It's obviously just XV-kun doing that.
>Episode Duscae
>get out of the map and explore the town behind the mountain
>Platinum Demo
>get out of the map
>WOAH, SLOW DOWN THERE. YOU AREN'T ALLOWED BACK HERE
>game resets
That's why Platinum Demo is gay.
>>341925390
Yeah, the demo was released on the same day the game announced its release date. Why are you surprised it plays like shit
wtf is this bazztek shit
>>341924559
Looks the same to me, except with a graphics upgrade.
>>341925535
>FFXV-kun gets outed
>Ruins FFXV threads further
2BH FFXV-kun fucked FFXV's reputation on /v/
>>341925528
Who the fuck is that? and are you telling me /v/ isn't 80% shit posting?
>>341913023
Only one man at SE knows what he's doing when making a Final Fantasy game and all he did was copy WoW. But I give Tabata credit for what he's done so far with XV. I think something like XV would have been unthinkable coming from SE Japan just a few years ago. Let's just they don't throw the baby out with the bath water when they make FFXVI.
>>341925783
I'm more surprised that people can't admit that it plays like shit.
>>341924802
I would have loved a mix between XII, XIII, and what XIII was originally supposed to have been. So, gambits and movement control of one character, paradigms (i.e., gambit deck shifts), and careful usage of cinematic camera angles during certain attacks. Or, if you wanted a more turn-based version, have the computer and your enemy choices determine movement, with QTE or a dedicated button for dodges.
I mean, remember how baller this shit looked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHatmEIygg
Elements of 12 was all they needed to make this playable.
>>341925103
>game feels like shit
Have you played it? Or are you just parroting the hivemind like a sheep?
>>341925970
>hivemind
it isn't a hivemind when most people that aren't the average consumer who doesn't give a shit or a rabid defender, generally agree that the demo is sluggish and not very fluid for an action game, no matter how much warp strike spam you do
>>341922086
We should just have Versus threads and nostalgia over what could have been.
>>341925970
I've played both demos that were publicly available, yes. Keep crying.
>>341926180
>it isn't a hivemind when
It's a hivemind when you haven't played it and are parroting garbage you heard on /v/, sorry.
FFXV is shit, but I guarantee that you and most of the critics haven't even played it.
>>341925914
it doesn't though
once you learn aerial combos and cancels it's fun as fuck
seems loads of people love it see >>341923915
I'm honestly looking forward to World of Final Fantasy far more than XV. At least that game has that quirky and charming turn-based feel of the FF games of old. I don't even know what XV is trying to be. The combat looks so bad.
>>341925970
I was at E3 bruh. Played the titan demo.
>>341926294
>turn-based
It's okay, XV has wait mode so your slow brain can comprehend was is going on. Just like your turn-based gmaes.
>>341926268
I have over 20 hours in Episode Duscae. I loved the combat in Duscae, but the Platinum Demo left a sour taste. It could have just been because I was coming over from playing the Duscae version so much, but the PD didn't compare at all in terms of combat.
>>341926268
what is this, "you didn't play it so you can't complain" when your method of saying people didn't play it is that you disagree with what they think about the demo?
are you mentally twelve?
>>341925120
They dialed up the vibrancy and contrast, for sure. The color scheme also seems to be warmer and duskier in general.
>>341926493
Why? ED is more automated and casual than PD
>>341926442
I've beaten NGB on Master Ninja, so I really have no idea what you're trying to get at. There's nothing wrong with turn-based games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHg-OsoSyU
>>341926769
Man, this would almost look interesting if I didn't know the guy was just holding square the whole time and pressing X every once in a while.
>>341926759
oh boy bring up DMC next
tell us how this game should play like Bayonetta too while you're at it
https://youtu.be/vkZvdT3QS4k?t=2m42s
A shame the whole attack on the city sequence was cut.
>>341926891
He didn't say the game should play like Ninja Gaiden you worthless troll.
>>341926493
What didn't you like about PD but liked about ED? Because ED felt like ass as well.
>>341926537
>what is this, "you didn't play it so you can't complain"
How can you saw something is shit when you haven't even touched it? It's literally hivemind mentality. Child.
>>341926924
pfft fuck that I'd rather push a car for 20 minutes
>>341912636
You mean the combat being great and showing a solid foundation for it? Get gud you fucking faggot.
>>341926987
>He
yeah fuck off you didn't
you're on of those idiots who thinks every arpg should play like a platinum hack n slash
>>341927076
>holding square for automated combat and pressing x when something moves away is so deep breh
Hilarious.
>>341926708
>press up on dpad to draw sword
>press down on dpad to draw hammer
>hold square
>never press circle because using magic would only make fights take longer
In Duscae I'd be switching between different abilities and timing them out to make them more effective. Sure, I disliked not being able to control what weapons Noctis pulled out during combos, but I at least felt like I was doing something instead of holding down a button.
>>341913023
Or they had a single solid game in the main game and all these demos are just showing small slices of specific things with tons of shit locked out.
>>341927124
Man, you really are angry you got btfo by multiple people. Keep strawmanning and pointing fingers, it's funny.
>>341919556
Except there is more gameplay there than in any other FF.
>>341927124
More like every turn based RPG shouldn't get changed into an ARPG if you can't actually make good action.
>>341926769
>Ignis and Gladio just teleporting next to Noctis
Having party members that aren't just sitting ducks is a neat idea but they should really iron that out.
>>341925889
I don't get this. All of the KH games have stellar combat. They might be Babby's First Cuhrayzee, but that's like complaining that a Scion FR-S doesn't handle as well as a Porsche. I don't understand why they moved those guys off XV.
>>341926924
Everything that was good was cut out. Or not made. Or some bullshit.
>>341927270
>holding square is GOAT gameplay confirmed
Nah.
>>341920616
No they weren't, the Versus team is still in the XV team as well as 200 other devs who joined in 2013. Only Nomura and one out of many programmers left in 2014.
>>341927406
Shut the fuck up xv-kun
>>341912636
>Can't save at all in the demo.
>Keep stopping during the kid part because it's boring as fuck and the controls are weird and fucking annoying.
>Never get to see the "proper" battlesystem because of this.
Why was it so hard to include a save function for people who don't want to slog through the child part?
>>341927364
Sounds no different from any other FF
>>341918341
>>341918538
>>341919451
This looks god tier. Glad they fixed the framerate issues in the latest build too.
>>341927483
the child part shouldn't take you more than 45 minutes. Holy shit anon
>>341927602
Those 45 minutes are excruciating because I want to collect all the shit but I keep giving up.
>>341927124
Yes I'd prefer if action games played well.
Especially when you call the demo PLATINUM.
I don't care about your shield and shuriken or airsteps. The combat is still a jumbled mess of random ideas thrown around because fans demanded them when Tabata literally asked for help under the guise of "listening to the fans". Now they've included this wait mode that completely kills the purpose of it being an ARPG.
This game is fucking MESS.
>>341927684
This
>>341926924
>It will never be hakuroku desu ne taimu.
>>341921182
Fuck off NeithOF, XVs combat already has objectivley more input required than any KH ever had and the combat already has more depth too just from weapon switching alone. Get the fuck off Nomura's dick.
>>341926924
>>341927684
These things are why I don't consider this Versus anymore. XV is a bastardization of what I originally fell in love with. I'll probably buy it second hand or something.
>>341926924
>That silent moment when he's just looking out the window and everything that's going through his mind is written subtly on his face
Now we're stuck with >>341923212 anime bullshit
>>341927350
I wonder how many people looking forward to this game complain about setpieces in games like Call of Duty.
Even the combat is a setpiece in this game.
>>341927831
You have either clearly never played any KH game, or are absolutely fucking retarded. Or both.
And what the fuck is a NeithOF even.
>>341927602
>more than 45 minutes
You mean 20?
>>341927684
>when Tabata literally asked for help under the guise of "listening to the fans"
Not all the feedback they took was bad. The automatic weapon switching and cross chain attacks in ED were ass.
>>341926924
>Dat Spiderman intro will never happen.
>>341927168
>Sure, I disliked not being able to control what weapons Noctis pulled out during combos
I disagree on this. I like having a degree of control over weapons since it opens up potential for a higher skill ceiling where you can do the crazy shit you see in the trailers by the end game.
Problem is the combat just doesn't flow right now. I hope they find a way to make it work since it's the closest thing I'll ever get to how I envisioned Emiya Shirou should fight.
>>341928020
>responding
>>341912636
It doesn't matter what they put in because this place would shit on it for not being PC/WiiU exclusive.
>>341927831
can we just ban this XVkun faggot already
stop trying to turn this into gamefaqs
>>341927350
You know this is just going to be a setpiece no different from shit like Quantum Break.
>only game I've been genuinely excited for in the past 5 years
>it's total shit
Tabata was a mistake.
>>341927831
>XVs combat already has objectivley more input required than any KH ever had
nigger you had to equip a skill to give yourself more combat options in KH2 and it still had more depth than this demo did
why is /v/ infested with pcucks
>>341928070
>Not all the feedback they took was bad. The automatic weapon switching and cross chain attacks in ED were ass.
You've missed the point completely. It still shows they have no idea what they're doing. To this very day it's apparent they still don't. Asking fans for help is absolutely pathetic.
Again, this game is just another DNF.
>>341928328
>why are pcucks defending a console exclusive
Fixed.
>>341925889
XIV is fucking shit right now. Fuck Yoshi-P.
>>341922086
>>341922639
Literally the exact same thing as it still is for Noctis. See>>341924559
>>341924548
Wrong, stop spouting your fucking lies NeithOF. There is knockback on every hit as proven by recent footage that Gamespot recorded during their playthrough
>>341924956
Nothing is cherrypicked at all about that, it's showing it has the same combat for speed, input, animation and reaction.
>>341925290
Except that gameplay is the same as what Noctis still has.
>>341925448
It isn't, it always had the crush, ravage, vanquish etc system in place. Nomura even said himself in 2011 that it had the auto weapon switch where different weapon used in different parts of a combo, which is exactly how episode duscae worked which is shown in that webm comparison, and ED mode is still a mode within the full game.
>>341927831
>Fuck off NeithOF, XVs combat already has objectivley more input required than any KH ever had and the combat already has more depth too just from weapon switching alone. Get the fuck off Nomura's dick.
Even Kingdom Hearts 2, which is considered the button-mashy game of the series, has more depth and enemy variety promoting different fighting apporaches than this. Especially on Critical Mode. Weapon switching doesn't suddenly magically make something better, especially since you can only have four weapons equipped at once in XV compared to KH2 giving you several forms to take and the shortcuts for multiple spells on demand combined with an actual fucking guard (that you can optionally disable) compared to XV's lolwarpdodge by holding down a button.
XV-kun needs to seriously kill himself.
>>341928547
Looks like Witcher 3 shitty combat.
>>341923436
But the current build is an objective improvement.
>>341923117
Except holding down O is just a guaranteed method to get a gameover screen so no. Most recent build proves you have proper 1:1 taps.
>>341928118
>it opens up potential for a higher skill ceiling where you can do the crazy shit you see in the trailers by the end game.
Couldn't you still do that even with manual weapon switching?
>>341928343
>It still shows they have no idea what they're doing.
So you'd prefer if they just blindly stumbled along like retards instead? Imagine if they didn't ask for feedback and the game ended up being worse than it looks now.
Both ED and P have shit automated combat, one just had the automatic weapon switching where you set the weapons to have particular roles, making it more interesting than the snore that is P.
>>341924802
You're joking right?
>>341928438
#bringbacktanaka
>>341928730
>So you'd prefer if they just blindly stumbled along like retards instead?
How is this any sort of defense? Even having asked the fans for help, they're STILL stumbling around like retards.
You fucking fanboys are cancer.
>>341928547
>There is knockback on every hit
It looks like a scripted amount of knockback deliberately put there for each individual attack in the combo. They wouldn't make it so you just hold a button to continue your combo if each attack required you to manually position yourself within range again.
>>341928547
>There is knockback
The existence of knockback wasn't what he was talking about dipshit.
>>341928730
>So you'd prefer if they just blindly stumbled along like retards instead?
Honestly yet. At least they could've pretended they knew what they were doing, showing at least a modicum of competence.
>>341925747
You can stop bullshitting already.
>>341912636
>Was there any point to this demo beyond showcasing the combat being fucking awful and the game not worth buying?
Suddenly I'm reminded of this...
>>341928942
>Do Mhach to get 230 that may have better substats than your current lore gear and a token to upgrade your lore gear to to 240 and a materia token to slot into your new 240 piece
>Do dailys for lore tokens
>All to get better gear to to Alexander Savage
>Only to fight bosses you've already beaten in the story
>Only to get gear from them that may be worse than upgraded lore gear depending on substats
What is the fucking point. Yoshi you fucking hack. Normal mode Alex killed the entire progression of the game.
>>341928730
I'd prefer if they put someone in charge who actually knows how to design a combat system instead.
>>341929269
>who actually knows how to design a combat system instead
This. Tabata's games have horrendous combat. This is no different.
>>341929142
you can stop samefagging already xv-kun
>>341926493
The only thing PD didn't have that was useful in ED was the Phantom sword abilities like Knightsguard, Knightshield etc. And that's just because those specific phantom swords weren't in PD and they locked out the other 5 phantom abilities in PD besides warp. Other than that PD is objectively superior in every regard in terms of combat.
>>341928730
>Couldn't you still do that even with manual weapon switching?
I'm saying the automated weapon switching lends to a 'dial-a-combo' type of combat system which I dislike. I like the new direction they're going in where you can manually switch weapons similar to Devil May Cry. It's harder to utilize, but so much more rewarding.
>>341927406
>the Versus team is still in the XV team
The Versus team is the KH2 team, and they're working on KH3 and FF7.
>>341929267
I could've fixed XIV 1.0. Why didn't you give me a chance?
>>341929267
>muh interesting buffs that totally won't be meta mathed into oblivion
Fuck off, cancer.
is it me or does noctis' combat voice go way deeper than his normal voice
>>341927985
I don't mind setpieces as long as they're rewards for learning and executing with the regular system.
>>341926924
The Insomnia gameplay was moved to the end of the game instead when you go back to reclaim the kingdom.
>>341927350
That wasn't cut fuckhead, we even literally see them going against Leviathan in the E3 2016 trailer.
>>341927956
You retarded?
>>341927938
Except gameplay in Insomnia was already confirmed to still be in the game, being not part of the intro doesn't somehow change that.
>>341927684
XV is a party based Action RPG in an open world fucktard, not a hacknslash corridor game.
>Complains when devs don't listen to fans
>Complains when devs do listen to fans
Just fucking end yourself you literal afterbirth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BxZzgKzWiw
>>341929886
From the videos it looks like it's just a generic platforming section with not much thought into gameplay and a bunch of QTEs.
>>341929932
>being not part of the intro doesn't somehow change that
>major change
>doesn't change anything
You're an idiot XV-kun.
>>341929640
KH2 team no longer exists. KH3 is being made by Osaka which is the BBS/DDD team. FF7 is being headed by Kitase and Nomura and that company that makes nauto games.
>>341929932
>when you go back
So we don't get the sequence where the city is being attacked then.
>>341927161
Except you would die if you try to just hold square to win so good job proving yourself wrong.
>>341927284
More like FF has only 4 mainline game that are even turn based and FF has always moved towards more real time based systems ever since the ATB system was created. The creators of ATB even literally said they wanted to go action, even Sakaguchi himself said he wanted FF to be an action game but didn't know how to make one so he made it braindead turn based because casuals can play it.
>>341928270
>Tabata was a mistake.
This so much.
>Yakuza motif scrapped in favor of Game of Thrones shit
>Stella scrapped in favor of generic childhood friend romance character
>Shakespearean undertones scrapped
>overall theme changed to some boring roadtrip shit
What the fuck happened to this game?
>>341929932
>we even literally see them going against Leviathan in the E3 2016 trailer.
We see them fishing for Leviathan. We don't see this.
>>341927168
You have full manual control of when to switch your weapons and can do it anytime mid combo.
>>341929932
>not a hacknslash corridor game
Looking at >>341924559 you could've fooled me.
>Complains when devs don't listen to fans
Sorry, I don't remember complaining about that in my post, you're not just making shit up are you?
>Just fucking end yourself you literal afterbirth
Literally a fanboy frothing at the mouth. At least I don't literally look like an afterbirth XV-kun.
>>341930106
>More like FF has only 4 mainline game that are even turn based
Oh don't give me this bullshit, you know full well what people mean when they say turn based. Having a gauge fill up before you can execute a command isn't the same thing as a real time action game.
>>341928973
>You fucking fanboys are cancer.
>if you don't think the game is shit you're a fanboy
No.
>>341929112
I'd rather have them use the fans' ideas and potentially make a good game than act stubborn because of muh pride or whatever and have the game end up being shit. KT's doing that with Nioh and most people seem fine with that aside from those bitching about casuals.
>>341929932
XV-kun getting heated as fuck
>>341928547
What >>341929003 said. But thanks for posting that webm because it's a perfect example of what I WAS talking about: that little spin move at about 1.5s repositions your character without your input. This is bad. And at about 6, there's a half-second wind-up for your attack BEFORE it scoots you close enough to actually hit the enemy. Sora did the scoot in KH2, but never with that kind of wind-up, because if he did, the enemy has enough time to get out of the way. Which is bad.
>>341930314
>if you don't think the game is shit you're a fanboy
Nice attempt, but you're defending this garbage to the absolute death. People can admit the combat is terrible, but still want to play it. That isn't a fanboy. What you're doing is literal fanboyism.
>I'd rather have them use the fans' ideas
Because you're a fanboy.
>>341930149
s c r i p t e d
Script Fantasy: XV Hours of Scripted Cuhrayzee
>>341930550
I would gladly take scripted over clunky and boring.
>>341927473
Fuck off, literally fuck off. You cunts add nothing to discussing with your constant attempts at dismissing facts with shitposts.
>>341929640
No they aren't, the KH2 team is Tokyo team which is who went on to work on Versus and who stayed on for XV, they were also joined by others from Type-0 team and the Luminous engine team to create a 200+ member dev team.
There is a bunch more devs who were on since Versus who are still on XV that aren't listed here too.
>>341930314
>I'd rather have them use the fans' ideas and potentially make a good game than act stubborn because of muh pride or whatever and have the game end up being shit.
Hey idiot, it's still looking shitty. At least if they didn't beg fans for help they could've shown some semblance of integrity.
Thinking it's okay to literally beg fans for help on the game they're supposed to be making makes you the biggest fucking fanboy.
>>341930028
>Get to play in Insomnia
>B-BUT IT'S NOT THE INTRO!?
Who cares? You get to play in Insomnia at the most crucial part of the game.
>>341930101
So what? They changed that years ago, Insomnia gameplay is still in the game just under different circumstance.
>>341930106
>Except you would die if you try to just hold square to win so good job proving yourself wrong
Oh, I'm so sorry I forgot that you sometimes have to hold the automated dodge button, what a winner this game truly is!
>>341930605
It's both.
>>341930140
>>Shakespearean undertones scrapped
What, the quote from the very first trailers?
>>overall theme changed to some boring roadtrip shit
Nomura said it was roadtrip shit back in 2008.
>>341927364
You think he's holding square there?
Oh boy you have a lot to learn...
>>341930605
Too bad it's both.
>>341930641
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341930741
>So what?
It looked like a cool opening to the game is what.
>>341930741
>Who cares?
Someone who thought the invasion intro was much better than pushing a car.
Escaping the city then coming back to reclaim it is much better than your daddy sending you on an errand which you blindly accept then you're like OH WTF IN INVASION I HAD NO IDEA.
It's fucking retarded, and I hope you enjoy your pushing a car intro.
Faggot.
>>341929932
>You retarded?
Adding fuel to the, "He's autistic," fire, I see.
>>341912636
Do you faggots want amazing looking games with bad gameplay?
Or okay looking games with good gameplay? Because you can't have both. There's never any time for it.
why do you people call him xv-kun
isn't kun an honorific of some degree of endearment
are you fuckers tsundere for a shill
I still have this game pre-ordered. It's the only game I've ever pre-ordered besides Demon's Souls, but god I know I'm in for massive disappointment with this one.I only pre-ordered because I wanted to Kingsglaive bluray, and my local shop doesn't have the best stock-keep.
>>341930510
How am I defending it to the death you fuck? Do you have me confused for XV-kun or something?
>>341930697
>they could've shown some semblance of integrity
The fuck kind of integrity do they have after spending a goddamn decade on this game?
>>341930028
>Get to play in Insomnia
>B-BUT IT'S NOT THE INTRO!?
Who cares? You get to play in Insomnia at the most crucial part of the game.
>>341930101
So what? They changed that years ago, Insomnia gameplay is still in the game just under different circumstance.
>>341930149
No we see them riding on a Niflheim rocket just like you see Niflheim using against Titan. And we literally can still warp to Niflheim airships as both the E3 2016 trailer and Uncovered trailer showed. The second clip is just Noctis running towards Leviatha, which would happen in the battle the same exact way, same as swimming which is confirmed back in January this year. Then he just does a warp strike to a soldier, a single hit on that soldier, all things which are still 100% in the game. Stop fucking lying.
>>341930232
XV is an open world Action RPG you moron.
>Sorry, I don't remember complaining about that in my post
You are exactly the type of faggot that complains when devs listen to fans but then shits on them when they don't listen. Don't even fucking pretend for a second you don't. Just kill yourself NiethOF, you are a swedecuck so you are already cucked beyond belief.
i've got the collectors edition preordered but the demos really turned me off. The combat is horrid
>>341930812
Shut the fuck up XV-kunFor the record, this is how you should respond to him from now on. Don't bother engaging him, it's useless.
>>341931151
>How am I defending it to the death you fuck?
Because you're literally defending a dev begging for help.
>>341930826
>Oh boy you have a lot to learn...
Like what, that he's pressing square and mashing O instead?
>>341931212
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341929838
The point of the post wasn't just the uninteresting gear, it was the fact the gear is fucking useless because there's no drive to completing Alexander Savage unlike Coil. It's all pointless.
>>341931212
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341930741
>>341931212
>XV-kun so mad he's double-posting
>>341931271
Yeah because they need all the fucking help they can get.
>>341930140
Oh look it;s NeithOF samefagging again.
Yakuza motif wasn't scrapped, Noctis literally goes Yakuza mode when king
Stella was trash and was replaced with Luna in 2012 by Nomura.
Shakespearen tones in the game are only stronger now more than ever
The theme of the game was always a fucking roadtrip focussing on bonds and brotherhood as stated by Nomura in fucking 2008 and in 2006.
Stop fucking lying already you cunt.
>>341931212
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341931241I'm not XV-kun.Why not just ignore him entirely?
>>341931212
>You are exactly the type of faggot that complains when devs listen to fans
There's a huge difference between "what do you guys think of this" as opposed to "TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO PLEASE".
>>341931212
>Insomnia gameplay is still in the game just under different circumstance.
How the fuck aren't you getting this? THIS >>341926924
sequence of events is no longer something you play through, instead you read about it happening in a fucking newspaper. Do I really have to explain why that might be less exciting?
>>341931441
>NeithOF
>NeithOF
>NeithOF
>NeithOF
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341929403
>>341929269
I want KH kiddies to leave. KH is far more braindead than anything I've ever played in XV.
>>341931605
You've never played XV you dumb fuck.
>>341931605
how can you even say that when all you've played, at best in theory, are two vertical slices (one of which isn't representative of the final product) and the other being a tech demo
>>341931212
Shut the fuck up XV-kun.
>>341931605
XV's combat isn't great based on the demos but aside from KH2 and Re:Coded I agree. KHI is just clunky as fuck and almost everything else is just spam Triangle/Y to abuse commands because normal attacks don't do dick.
>>341913023
>>341912636
i roll my eyes at shit like this. i see the same type of comment for every game
>>341928307
No you don't, weapon switching alone has more depth than anything KH has ever done.
>>341928020
I have played every KH, I always do critical and not a single one of them has even a modicum of depth to its combat that XV already has.
>>341928582
No, it fucking doesn't. KH2FM has objectively nowhere close to the variety of anything that XV has, weapon switching alone gives you more variety in combat, combos, actions, abilities etc than KH does where all your combos are the same regardless of what keyblade you use. Enemies are all the same heartless shits. Weapon switching objectively makes somthing better, it gives more options, more depth, more things for you to do, it varies combat more.
>forms
Holy fuck you have to be kidding me, forms are nothing but temporary status boosts, XV already shits all over that with Phantom weapon abilities and the Armiger, you have multiple methods of guarding and dodging in XV too which includes perfect shield blocks, dodge rolls, warp dodges, warping itself or the guard stance consuming MP.
You are full of shit and have not even fucking touched anything XV related.
>>341931941
except this time it's a legitimate concern seeing as the combat is one of the biggest concerns of XV as a whole for some
>>341931212
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. XV-kun
>>341929265
Septerra core was a great game though. Buggy as shit, but the story was fun, the gameplay worked, and characters were charming enough to keep me wanting to play, though I didn't really care about their backstories cause they were all cliche.
Those crashes though, jesus fucking christ.
>>341916038
I fucking hate this stupid constant teleporting and zipping around bullshit, especially when half the monsters that are cool are so big and slow that they could never possibly pose a threat to any player with a pulse.
>>341932037
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
To all the people who are hype for XV, what are your favorite mainline FF games?I have a feeling that most people who are interested in this are not long-time fans of the series at all.
>>341932037
are you really going to confront every single person that's called your shit out and take up to half an hour to get around to doing it
>>341932037
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341931212
Don't worry, intelligent people aren't /v/ sheeple, and you're right about everything.
>>341928692
No it looks nothing like that at all.
>>341928979
No it doesn't, those are all hits with knockback on them, nothing is scripted at all about it anymore than it is in fucking KH.
>. They wouldn't make it so you just hold a button to continue your combo
When will you faggots give up this meme? Holding attack just repeats the fucking attack input just like Smash bros does, it is not the point of the system and you manually tap to do combos which you have added benefits with because of manual vanquish and quicker inputs for weapon abilities.
>>341929003
Yes it fucking was.
>>341930415
You mean it's a perfect example of how you are full of shit because you literally fucking said enemies have no knockback. That is 100% your input, you are pressing Left+attack to do the sidestep attack because that is a directional input.
>This is bad.
Why the fuck are you lying? Why are you making shit up? Why are you proving you have no fucking clue about anything in regards to the combos of this game or how combos work in any game? KH is even fucking slower than that for opening combo and even then that is the same fucking opening combo and speed as it was in the Versus trailer. So you are again full of fucking shit.
>>341932086
nigga the combat looks fucking fine. you can turn off holding to attack to make it timing.
>>341932515
Shut the fuck up XV-kun,
>>341919451
>>341918538
>>341918341
why did they do this
we already have KH for this dumb combat system
>>341932463
Mine are V and VII.
>>341932573
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341930697
Except they didn't beg for anthing. Japanese games do these sorts of surveys all the fucking time, Nioh did one too just recently.
>>341932463
My favorites are 3, 8, 10, and 12.
>>341932602
Lick my left fucking nut. I'm on his side, but I'm not him. You people are fucking retarded and do this all the time. Are you by any chance in some kind of /v/ club?
>>341932573
Shit the fuck up XV-kun.
>>341932597
>you can turn off holding to attack to make it timing.
Really?
>>341932597
>you can turn off holding to attack to make it timing.
You mean mashing, there's no timing to your attack strings, it's obviously designed around the idea that you're holding the button.
What's with this falseflagging XV-kun antagonizing bullshit?
>>341932573
shut the fuck up xv-kun
>>341932752
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/932981-final-fantasy-xv/73885315
>>341932809
Okay.
>>341932573
>You mean it's a perfect example of how you are full of shit because you literally fucking said enemies have no knockback.
I actually didn't.
Also, shut the fuck up XV-kun.
>>341930920
And now chapter 0 which is the actual intro of the game will be even cooler.
>>341930936
Except pushing the car isn't the intro you fuck, that is chapter 1, chapter 0 is the opening of the game.
And even in Versus as soon as you leave Insomnia during the intro you would be in Leide where that car pushing takes place anyway.
>Escaping the city then coming back to reclaim it is much better than your daddy sending you on an errand which you blindly accept then you're like OH WTF IN INVASION I HAD NO IDEA.
Except Noctis is going to marry his fucking fiance, not going on an "errand", keep talking out of your ass NeithOF. And how the fuck would have had known the invasion was happening? Even in fucking Versus he didn't know the invasion was happening and he is still like "OH WTF IN INVASION I HAD NO IDEA"
You were already proven wrong because the car pushing is not even the fucking intro, Chapter 0 is and then there is still the opening cutscenes too, then chapter 1 begins with the car pushing.
Defend this.
>>341933106
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341933120
It's reversible. Also those things in the background look cool.
>>341933106
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341922310
I played both demos. I was actually okay with the combat in the episode Duscae demo. I liked changing your attacks based on which order you equipped the weapons. I was hoping they'd tighten up the dodging and implement magic in a way that made sense but otherwise I felt it was a good start for how early them demo was. Then the platinum demo came out a year or so later and barely anything was improved. That being said, I do think think the combat's horrible. Just incredibly simple and bland. I still think the game has a shot of being good so long as the rest of the game can make up for the subpar combat (much like how Witcher 3 did).
It's still baffling though. Especially since Lightning Returns had a really good real time combat system. Why they didn't just repurpose that system, I'll never know.
Who the fuck is NeithOF, is this veiling some unsubtle NeoGAF fuckery?
>>341932745
>3,8, and 10
Well, that explains a lot.
>>341933106
Shut the fuck up XV-kun.
>>341927831
It's quantity over quality
>>341933106
Holy shit autism
>>341931507
Except they literally just put out a survey asking people what do you guys think, "not tell us what to do!!?!", stop fucking making up lies. They created new gameplay modes on their own volition, not because fans told them to. And they only created them if it still fit into the vision for the game, which things such as manual weapon swtiching which was already in teh fucking game, was reconfirmed, the wait mode was added and other things.
Keep bullshiting like a faggot though.
>>341931557
So the fuck what? You still get to play in Insomnia, what the fuck does it matter? If anything Noctis finding out about it in a newspaper is better buildup to the finale where he finally takes back his throne, the entire point is that he's been left in the dark about everything which is far more nuanced than a shitty tutorial section in Insomnia being what that intro in Versus was. And by the end of the game we will go to Insomnia and it will be with full powered end game state Noctis which is superior to what Versus was doing.
>>341933296
Does anyone have that screencap of the thread where XV-kun got found out to have multiple accounts and argue with himself?
>>341933316
Opinions, opinions. A lot of people here say 12 sucks, and you like it.
>>341933120
That's not even a bad cover, you guys are looking for things to be angry about.
>>341932745
>3, 8, 10, and 12
>>341932463
My favorite it VIII. I started with VII when it came out, and played through them all. So I wasn't a fan since the beginning (though I WAS playing games back then, but just stuff my parents got like Zelda 2, Simon's Quest, and the Mario games) but I've been one for well over 15 years.
>>341931815
Because I've played every KH and both XV demos and both XV demos have more going on in the combat than any KH has.
>>341933572
Fuck off XV-kun.
>>341933572
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341933582
>>341932086
XV already has better combat than any other FF.
>>341933617
12 IS shit, and the only reason fags get away with liking it is because "a-at least it's not 13!"
Being a 13fag, I'm looking forward to 15 coming out and being shit so I can say "a-at least it's not 15!"
>>341933630
>no logo
>showing the final bosses on the cover
>that overused ultima sword base design on the sword
ITT people who were too dumb to handle the boolean system in FFXII and couldn't enjoy the plot because it was political and intellectual
>>341933572
>Noctis finding out about it in a newspaper is better buildup to the finale then actually experiencing the city getting attacked.
You'll really say anything to defend this game, holy fuck.
>>341933693
>both XV demos have more going on in the combat than any KH has.
MAYBE in the videos they've shown off this week but in the demos? That is flatout wrong man.
>>341932463
FFV.
>>341932464
Yes.
>>341932920
Yes you did.
Also ebin XV-kun memes, just goes to show how you faggots can't even muster up any legitimate counter arguments and have to hinge on "le fuck off xv-kun :D" desperation at dismissal.
>>341928438
>>341928942
Agreed. XIV-fags can say whatever they want, XI was just immensely superior and is -still- the FF installment that brought in the most revenues for SE.
XIV will never ever get close to that, especially considering how it bombed hard in China. SE is lucky to have almost no competitor in Japan when it comes to MMO of that type.
>>341933905
XII's plot was hands down boring, you pseudo-intelelctual retard.
>>341933120
Better than any other US FF cover.
>>341933296
A swedecuck Nomura fanboy who cocksucks anything Versus branded and shits desperately on XV because his waifu who only showed up for 5 minutes in 20 seconds over the course of 6 years was deleted and replaced with a superior character.
>>341934241
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341933894
>>showing the final bosses on the cover
>implying that's a bad thing
>>341934241
No it's you XV-kun, you delusional faggot.
>>341933791
>>341934241
>superior character
Is there something I missed somewhere where story and character dialogue leaked or something, or is a lot of this "the final game will be great" and certain character conjectures simply out of one-track minded blindness?
>>341934436
yeah that's different because people could assume that's just a generic knight
but this XV's cover it's painfully obvious
>>341933905
What? I liked XII quite a bit. I just prefer several other FF games more. Don't lump the shitposters in with the rest of us.
>>341934241
shut the fuck up xv-kun we all know it's one of your alts
>>341912636
I honestly still don't know what they were thinking with this demo.
It seems everything Mat is involved in turns to shit. Just like the new horrendous cover.
>>341933894
Do we know for sure those are the final bosses? I haven't been following the game too closely.
>>341934053
>>341934556
It was a coup, followed by a grounds-up resistance movement that moved through secret channels but was subverted (the judges found out about Ondore's support) and then was forced into illegal channels (the pirates).
All the while, the judges were hunting down the princess and heir incumbent (Ashe), as well as Cpt Basch. The head science officer of the occupying forces turns out to have ties to the pirates that harbored the early resistance (Balthier, a renegade that threw away his titles for a life of piracy and adventure) and he ends up becoming a greater threat than the head of the new frontier nation.
After the death of Sid and the defeat of the opposing judges, there are more major betrayals for political and ideological means.
Finally, the story culminates with a return to the initial regime, albeit somewhat changed as Ashe herself changed throughout the journey.
While that sinks in, consider that this massive story was told through the POV of a street urchin who's dream was to become a sky pirate and seek adventure, but whose initial prospects looked to be limited to hunting down rats and making deliveries for local merchants.
Sounds a bit more appealing now, eh?
>>341934531
Almost anything comparing Versus XIII and XV boils down to retarded headcanon on both sides of the debate.
>>341917151
I like it too, looking forward to it. I feel it's not for everyone, which may be bad for SE but good for a FF game.
>>341916152
Has anybody ever got to the bottom of wtf SE problem has been? I really wanna know how it got started downhill and why there's so much fuck up going on.
I support FFXV but I'd like to know just why did they keep scrapping and salvaging and changing staff of their games this last decade.
Who done did ff14 the empty lonely grind to 50?
It's clear they had the funds and staff to make a good enough wow clone reborn, why didn't they just do that in 2010?
>>341934828
Why are you including me when I just said I liked the game? Are you retarded or illiterate or what?
>>341934753
>It seems everything Mat is involved in turns to shit.
SE's American marketing department in general is pretty bad.
XV has about as much depth as DmC
>>341935010
You replied, so I thought I'd add you to my post. Feel free to add anything. No need to bet hostile.
>>341934828
You can reimagine the game and dig into its narrative all you want, but the delivery of it is fucking terrible and 99% of it feels like pointless wandering around. What's next, the copypasta about Vaan being secretly the best and most well-written MC of the franchise despite having around 100 lines of dialogue total?
>>341935078
DmC actually had some depth though. It was just a joke compared to the proper Devil May Cry games.
>>341934965
>Has anybody ever got to the bottom of wtf SE problem has been?
I'd wager having Wada as CEO played a big part in that.
>>341935170
Vaan is an understated character because the story and world is meant to appear as gigantic and overreaching. Something that a street waif could never conquer or hope to challenge.
He is simply a vehicle to deliver the story.
I don't know why but seeing the schooling system for this magitek society pretty much be a japanese anime school in Prompto's episode kind of.. devalues the world's attempt to be unique.
>>341933923
Except chapter 0 is the intro of the game now which we already know is battles.
Versus was opening CGI of Insomnia, city then gets attacked, you run through a few tutorial fight sections of the streets in Insomnia fighting soldiers and montsers, end by fighting Aranea then you escape the city, then you are in Leide the desert area and then you go on your road trip around the world in exile.
XV is chapter 0 which is a boss fight, then we see scenes of Insomnia and the opening CGI, takes place just before the invasion happens, Noctis leaves Insomnia to go marry his fiance, car breaks down in Leide, you go fight monsters while it's being repaired, then you hear about the invasion and you head back to Insomnia, you are completely blocked out by Niflheim and then your roadtrip around the world in exile begins proper, on the way you find Niflheim bases where you fight soldiers and encounter Aranea multiple times. and around the world Niflheim are tracking you down constantly.
Rest of the story beats are the same. that we knew of.
The most important thing everyone needs to remember is that XII features an ensemble cast. In any other medium, 'main character' refers to more than the protagonist and his friends, or the person whose point of view the story is written from. This should be the same for games, and in XII, it is: the main characters extend to Larsa, Gabranth, Reddas, Al-Cid and the like. Feeling your main characters are pointless is ignoring the reason why characters exist in a story in the first place by misunderstanding what makes a character important. Just because Penelo and Fran can rightly be considered to be less important than Reddas or whoever doesn't make the main characters suck.
FF and its fans really tend to overvalue characters. They are written first, injected into a story that they have little relation to contextually. People are products of their world, and the same is true for fantasy fiction. This is exemplified in Fran, a character who is there so we may experience the culture of the viera and the consequences of one who leaves her Wood. She doesn't have to be written intensely to be important, as any character need only be molded by the setting they exist in. Something that pretty much no other FF does right. Fran is no more special than the next viera, she just happens to be the one who is Balthier's partner. Perhaps there is a viera who became a famous hero archer after leaving the Wood on her calling, influenced by great Ivalician gods, tasked with defeating God/Sephiroth/Sin/Orphan for terribly contrived reasons. But that viera is not the viera who happens to be Balthier's partner. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
>>341912636
bullet sponge enemies + active combat = get the fuck away from me nigga, dropped in the trash so hard i have to buy a new one
either bullet sponge enemies + passive combat (just like old FFs or FF12 is fine too) or active combat and actually well designed enemies. you can't have me mashing the same 2 buttons for half an hour without any challenge whatsoever.
>>341935506
This is a big reason the game wasn't received quite so well among the usual FF fans. By X, FF came to mean a certain type of story that XII wasn't. I personally feel this overvaluing of characters needs to end, and focus on setting come to the forefront of development, as any good fantasy fiction understands that setting is the story. Characters need to be part of that, affected by their world. Not drawn and written by a man who dreams up the most badass scenarios he can think of to put his characters into so he can show everyone why this one's cool haircut and sly smirk are way cooler than the last one. SE misinterpreted what made Cloud so cool and has rolled with it since, now all we get are dark and mysterious brooding fellows who usually have no reason to act that way. Unless fan service is a good reason, I don't really know.
Disclaimer: because the majority of the fanbase does eat that trite up, saying SE misinterpreted it is wrong on my part. They pretty much know exactly how bad they can write and still get away with it. Posters of characters in cool looking clothing, the prospect of over 20 customizable costumes and cool crystal shaped sunglasses are more important to this fanbase than both mechanical depth of an RPG's gameplay and unique and intriguing narrative work that understands the role of a setting. So SE can keep merchandising the most ridiculous things and previewing the least informative, most explosive Michael Bay trailers until the end of time and they'll still make a buck. Good luck to any of us hoping for a deviously cunning, unique RPG experience anytime soon.
>>341935221
Kind of want I meant. It has some depth but comparatively it's extremely shallow.
>>341922961
KH killed square? No, I mean I don';t know wtf their problem was but it wasn't KH 1.
Maybe the spreading too thin in general and branching into the FFXI cash cow and loosing some of their 90s talent, but KH 1 was nice.
>>341934531
A blonde girl named Stella Nox Fleuret who was a noble woman from the kingdom of Tenebrae, wears white, had a connection of some sort to Noctis and could use magic was replaced with a blonde girl named Luna Nox Fleuret who is a noble woman from the kingdom of Tenebrae, wears white, has a connection of some sort to Noctis and can use magic.
>>341934828
>Sounds a bit more appealing now, eh?
Not really.
>>341935601
There is no leveling system in platinum demo and you are locked to like level 1 so your attacks are low stat. Strongest enemy is only level 15 at the end of the demo and you can beat him in under a minute.
>>341935094
I'll be hostile to whoever the fuck I wantI'm so sorry anon please forgive.
>>341935606
Oh, well I agree then. Spot-on comparison.
>>341935969
Wanna fuck? I'm in co blonde/blue/25
>>341933791
1truth is a known XII autist
Notice how this thread is shilling both 12 and 15.
>>341916038
What irritates me is the fucking slow as fuck speed of the combat.
Fucking XII did this too. Massive health bars and pathetic damage output means fights takes ages to win.
It doesn't increase difficulty, not even a little. You can't fucking lose if you even remotely put in effort, but you can get bored as fuck of wailing on 3 wolves with 40k health when you do 200 per hit.
>>341933894
>>341934532
>>341934821
Those aren't the final boss, it's the three figures from the Dawn trailer.
>releases the same day as Rise of Iron and Lego Dimensions series 2.
>>341935336
>this magitek society
Niflheim's the magitek society, Lucis is based on modern day Japan.. Either way, that was pretty weird even though I was fine with them just eating burgers at some small restaurant on the side of the road. I guess it makes them feel more relatable since that happens a lot on road trips? In comparison the school just looked like any other anime.
>>341935078
XV has more depth than any other Action RPG SE has ever made.
>>341934965
>>341935257
Wada, the Enix merger, and old guard FF devs who were resistant to XII and XIII's directors. Enix diluted the talent pool; and the XII and XIII's problems could have been mitigated if they'd just stuck with those directors' visions, put out a couple of possibly bad games, and then gotten someone else to helm XIV/XV (which they did anyway); instead, their dev cycles were drawn out and the games were still controversial. As for Wada... well, obviously no one is going to talk shit about the president, so we don't really know what happened, but it's not worth nothing to point out that, after almost going bankrupt due to TSW, his SE tried to put out TWO MMOs, the second being a mainline FF game that was announced a year before its preceding numbered game had been released.
There was bad shit going down in those offices, for sure.
>>341935506
>>341935605
Whenever I read these hipster-as-fuck "FF12 is actually really good!" pastas it makes me want to try the game again. Never did play the IZJS version but I don't think it fixes my problems with the game.
>>341936169
Are you retarded? the dawn trailer makes it clear that these deities chose Noctis to carry their light.
They are not his enemy.
>>341936416
>IZJS
It is glorious
>>341936169
aka the final bosses
>>341936267
Quantity over quality
>>341935170
>but the delivery of it is fucking terrible
You mean, the best cutscenes and voice acting in the series.
>and 99% of it feels like pointless wandering around.
This is absolutely true and XII's major failing.
>>341935336
Niflheim is Magitek empire and it's on the other side of the world.
Noctis, Prompto, Regis, Cor, Gladio etc are from Lucis which is based on Shinjuku.
>>341936267
>XV
>depth
LOL
Don't ever talk to me or my Vagrant Story ever again.
>>341936181
Well that makes more sense I guess, if I remember right Lucius has always had a Shibuya sort of look throughout the game's history. But still, after seeing airships, robots and fantastical settings already for this game, seeing a city that looks like something straight out of present day Tokyo with old camera phones and cars is just.. jarring.
>>341922961
KH saved Square. It was the only thing propping the company up between 2006 and 2010.
>>341936440
And? What does that have to do with anything? They are still on the cover. No one said they were the enemy.
>>341936515
Final boss will be Ravus.
>>341936550
No, the cutscene direction is good and the voice acting is fine (except the sound quality LOL), my point was that it does a bad job of delivering these interesting concepts to the player, which is what causes people (myself included) to conclude that the story is boring and shitty when really it's just overly obtuse.
>>341936440
They also said that the summons are treated as dieties and yet Noctis and co still fight them. Also one of the concept art for that cover had Titan in the back instead of those three figures.
>>341934531
Both characters were described in interviews and had about equal time in trailers, so you can compare them that way. The main difference as far as their explicit characterization is that Stella was opposed Noctis in some shape or form, while Luna supports him.
>>341936701
>game's gimmick is huge bosses/summons
>final boss being some random guy
wouldn't surprise me with this shit heap to be honest
>>341936905
>final boss being some random guy
Ravus is
1: The second character ever seen in the game after Noctis
2: Shown to be a parallel to him
3: Luna's brother, his full name is Ravus Nox Fleuret.
4: Therefor Noctis's stepbrother.
5: Is the only one to ever talk about the world ending, clearly referencing the plague of the stars.
6: Is shown partnering with Niflheim and ordering Niflheim soldier
Those three things aren't the final boss and there is no indication that they will even be bosses.
>>341937189
Where are you getting this information?
>>341936267
Vagrant Story
TWEWY
>>341937189
I'd rather they were bosses now.
You're not helping this game at all.
>>341912636
I want to be hype for this game, I really do. But something about the entire game... just fell apart for me.
I think it pinpoints back to the first demo. I couldn't understand the mechanics, and what I did, wasn't fun. Look, I'm no way one of those negative assholes on this site TRYING to find things wrong to tear this game apart.
I just... can't bring myself to think its fun. The system doesn't make sense to me. The idea of bro road trip seemed really fun, but for some reason it became less appealing over time. The hype wasn't too high for me, I kept it under control. Hell I wasn't even one of those fags hyping up the game for years and years, I sorta just jumped on board towards the end.
I don't know man. I'll probably still get it, I got the collectors edition preordered. Im hoping everything with the story and gameplay will just click when I get my hands on the full product.
>>341937317
headcannon
>>341937189
>stepbrother
You mean brother in law?
>>341937317
The VA who voiced the guy in the white hood from the 2013 trailer is voicing Ravus in Kingsglaive..
http://kingsglaive-jp.com/staffcast/
>>341937189
>Therefor Noctis's stepbrother
god you're one dumb nigger xv-kun
>>341937317
The Kingsglaive staff credits page confirms a character Ravus Nox Fleuret is voiced by Yuichi Nakamura, Yuichi Nakamura voiced the hooded guy in the 2013 XV trailer, therefore the hooded guy is Ravus and is Luna's brother, or at the very least he is confirmed to be related to Luna.
Point 1, he was first seen in the 2007 trailer and was the first character we ever saw for the game after Noctis.
Point 2, Noctis and Ravus both draw their powers at each other in that scene in 2007, Noctis with his phantom swords and Ravus with magical circles.
Point 3 and 4 I mentioned above.
Point 5 in the 2013 XV trailer Ravus is saying "The world we purport to know os ever changing, ending as we speak. So it is and must be for all existence.", clearly in reference to the plague of the stars which is destroying the world and bringing in a perpetual night
Point 6, in that same scene we see him order a Niflheim soldier
>>341935336
Wasn't the whole concept "fantasy based on reality" or some shit like that? There's tons of more grounded, "realistic" shit like the regular looking cars and cities and stuff in the game but traditional schools are somehow too much?
>>341936267
Lightning Returns says hi.
>>341938047
Not him but the school just looked kinda plain, especially since Noctis is a prince. The other kids asking him stuff like how many servants he had was kinda funny though.
>>341937989
>So it is and must be for all existence.
wow that's lame
>>341938245
That isn't an Action RPG and it's also shit.
>>341938245
>implying any fag ITT even gave LR a fair try
>>341937989
Yeah because it's not like the game changes all the fucking time.
>>341938338
I did. stagger2win is shit
>>341938326
It's the best FF-related anything in years. Going by what I've seen of XV so far I don't expect that to change.
>>341938457
XV is already superior.
>>341936686
This is like saying Skyrim saved Bethesda. Or Wii Sports saved Nintendo. Or Halo saved the FPS genre.
>>341938508
Based on the demo, far from it.
>>341938389
Other than the character of Stella being changed into Luna, none of the characters from Versus had their actual roles or characters changed once XV, only designs were updated.
The 2011 trailer looked so quality.
We haven't seen anything that good since.
>>341918341
>>341918538
ALways hated that stupid Japanese anime magical combo pixie combat. Now it's the entirety of a Final Fantasy game.
>>341938586
Based from the demo it proves it.
>>341938424
Much better than "hold attack to win" like XV is. And unlike XV's combat, effectively staggering in LR takes skill. XV's combat is mobile-game tier. Fucking Mobius FF has a better combat system than XV does.
>>341938602
>only designs were ruined
FTFY
>>341938693
Nope. You are probably one of those fags that never game the game a proper try because "lightning!!!! >:("
Its a fantastic game, and better then anything FFXV will be. Deal with it
>>341938710
>effectively staggering in LR takes skill
please stop
I'm in no way defending XV's garbage combat, but LR did not take any fucking skill.
>>341912636
Man, all I know is it made me want to pet the shit out of that carbuncle.
>>341938936
Takes as much skill as any other final fantasy game including XV. Don't single out LR
>>341938840
>Its a fantastic game, and better then anything FFXV will be.
Not saying XV's is good but it is nowhere near "fantastic". The only good thing about it is the gameplay and even that's nothing special.
>>341938693
In what way? I'll use the episode Duscae demo as that one was much better than the Platinum demo. Even so, the environment in ED is more likely barren and has less stuff to do than any similary sized chunk of LR. Even the Dead Dunes had more to to see and do than the Ed demo. Combat in ED requires zero skill and barely any input, where LR's combat keeps you on your toes and requires precise timing to block and maximize DPS. And finally the level design is better in LR, with tons of secrets and diverse terrain. ED had a few swords hidden about and nothing else. ED had better music and (arguably) voice acting, I guess. So that's one small victory.
>>341939096
You brought it up.
>>341938936
Talking relative to other FFs. Timing your blocks alone took more skill than any other FF game. Swapping between schema and using the appropriate attacks for each situation in real time also took more skill than previous games, and a metric fuckton more skill than anything in XV.
>>341939465
>Timing your blocks alone took more skill than any other FF game.
No shit because outside of Limit Breaks none of them involve timing.
>>341939125
The combat is great, fuck you. Then there's the world design, the large amount of secrets, the various side quests that add to the lore, and the music. The game's only real issues were the graphics, the silly story, and the fact that the time management stuff was a bit too lenient. But yeah it was a fantastic game despite those flaws.
>>341938743
No, improved.
>>341940514
Shut the fuck up.
>>341940514
nuh uh
>>341939727
Why are you trying to shill LR to people who have almost definitely already played it and know you're full of shit?
>>341938840
No, fuck off. LR is complete trash.
>>341939151
Except PD was better than ED.
>the environment in ED is more likely barren and has less stuff to do than any similary sized chunk of LR.
Just no, I see LR and it's just 4 fucking areas for the whole game, ED is a small mocked up slice of Duscae without all the monster placement or final game things in that area, and it still feels more full of life, lived in and with things to do than LR does. Combat in LR requires zero thought and barely any input, combat in XV requires you to always be thinking on your feet, reacting and acting in real time both on ground and with aerial combos and a fuck ton more, and has actual precise timing. LR combat is trash and it's world is emptier than anything in XV.
LR is not an Action RPG and not even an Action game, it's a shitty FF13 game that was forgotten because it was so shitty.
>>341939727
LR has shit world design, nothing of importance, no real secrets, sidequests are all the same shit, lore in 13 is shit so no one cares, music is below average. LR is not a good game by any stretch of the imagination.
>>341940949
shut the fuck up xvkun
SHUT
Was the first demo better?
>>341941220
Fuck off Dark Castle.
>>341932630
It's not like Kingdom's Hearts, at all, it looks like KH's combat, but it doesn't play the same as KH and that's the main problem, KH's combat was at least fun, this thing is dull and clunky as fuck.
>>341941328
Yes.
>>341941328
ED was an early slice of the Duscae area in the game with combat that was heavily feature locked out, the combat and lighting and weather effects in PD was superior but the rest of the demo was made just for that under the guise of a tech demo within kid Noctis's dream.
>>341941367
No, KH is braindead and piss easy, XV actually requires constant active thought, it has smooth fluid gameplay and is more engaging than anything in KH
>>341941618
>XV actually requires constant active thought
Now this is a straight fucking lie.
>>341941618
Shut the fuck up XV-kun.
>yfw the last good FF came out 15 years ago
>>341941668
Except it does, weapon switching alone proves it.
>>341941724
FF6 is way older
>>341941771
No it doesn't, stop lying.
>>341941771
Quantity over quality
>>341941771
Shut the fuck up XV-kun.
>>341941724
X was the last good one
>>341940949
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341942132
You mean 7.
>>341941956
Yes it does.
>>341941961
Except it's Quality over quantaty since the system is build around his weapon system first.
>>341942780
Nope
>>341942780
Shut up XV-kun.
