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It seems like KT has released some new info for the game. Nothing that we don't already know but at least we know how the names got localised.
That being said, I'm a little worried at the emphasis on the relationship between the two of them being "friends". I was promised straight up yuri, not some "they're very good friends :^)" shit.
If I wanted a PS4 game to use yuri goggles on, I'd wait for the next Atelier. Gimme straight up, unquestionable yuri.
>>1912110
Whoops, forgot to add some links.
http://gematsu.com/2015/11/nights-azure-details-leading-characters
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/11/10/meet-arnice-and-lilysse-nights-of-azures-bffs/
>>1912110
>Gimme straight up, unquestionable yuri.
Not gonna happen any time soon.
>>1912110
Honestly, what i've seen and read here is already more than i expected after one of the developers said their relationship was "ambiguous"
Don't get me wrong, it's fucking retarded that they would something like this and still just pretend that it's JUST friendship and that if you really want it you can see it that way, but it's a bit more explicit than what i expected
They slept together, watched the stars together, and dance together.
>>1912136
So, like Nanoha and Fate from the Lyrical Nanoha franchise then?. Live together, sleep together, raise a daughter together, still just super close very best friends.
>>1912138
That's Japan for you, i think that anime/game producers have no idea how female friendship works
Or they want to pander to normalfags who want their waifus blah blah blah assumptions
>>1912138
Or like a lot of other yuri pairings that might as well be married but officially are "good friends"
>>1912142
Making it ambiguous means that people can interpret their relationship as they prefer, so everybody's happy. There's no big mystery here, they are just covering their bases.
>>1912151
Well if it's like that, why not have the final scene of every fictional work be a blank white screen that says "Now use your imagination to think up your own ending!"?
Besides, people want conclusions and resolutions. Making things ambiguous is just annoying, especially if they're clearly hinting at things going one way but refusing to actually carry it out.
Like, imagine buying a porn game VN and every single scene was just a black screen with the text box assuring you that as soon as you're done getting through this dialogue there's porn on the other side for 8 hours. And when you get to the end, the game assures you there was porn but it was all implied or it exists only in your imagination.
Lilysse straight up tells Arnice she loves her in the stargazing scene.
I guess they'll change that to her say "oh Arnice, you're my best friend"
>>1912142
>normalfags who want their waifus
Normalfags must have changed since I last went outside.
This is really retarded
How do you market a game as "the story of two girls and their untold love" and yet, you have no balls to make it full yuri? Why? Is there really such a specific demographic that likes girls a little gay but not too gay? Don't say "waifufags" because that's also retarded, if you want to make a game for waifufags who also like a little yuri them make something like Geki Noire or whatever
Because, considering how they advertised it, you would think that:
1 - The people who don't like yuri wouldn't be interested in it
2 - The people who are interested in the game probably do want it to be full yuri
I don't get it, it doesn't make any logical sense to me, its not like this is Nanoha, where the yuri fanbase just kind of "happened" and them they decided to indulge us, or Neptunia where it was always kind of aimed at waifufags but had a considerable yuri fanbase that they could pander to, this is a game where the whole point of it is the "love" of two girls, that's pretty much yuri bait if they go with the ambiguous horseshit
Fuck ambiguous endings, i've had enough of that, it's not like this is a case where it would add something interesting to be debated by the fans, it's a cheap cop-out that actually takes something away from the game for no good reason
Fuck this
>>1912158Normalfags stole all the waifusChads stole all the grillsSuch is life on The Zone
>>1912156
>why not have the final scene of every fictional work be a blank white screen that says "Now use your imagination to think up your own ending!"?
They are called open endings and tey are quite common.
>Like, imagine buying a porn game VN and every single scene was just a black screen with the text box assuring you that as soon as you're done getting through this dialogue there's porn on the other side for 8 hours. And when you get to the end, the game assures you there was porn but it was all implied or it exists only in your imagination.
Bad example, when something is ambiguous you don't doubt that it actually happened, it simply can be interpreted in more than on way.
>>1912161
Honestly, I'm wondering if it's some kind of localisation thing. Before the localisation was announced the game sounded pretty damn gay but the yuri levels seem to have dipped from then.
Like, the Japanese version has been out for a while. How gay is that? Seriously, take off your goggles as much as you can and say how yuri it is.
>>1912158
By normalfags i meant people who aren't into yuri, waifufags, whatever
>>1912166
I dunno, i've read a little about the JP version, what i got from it it's that it's just yuri enough for us to like it, but it's also ambiguous enough for people to deny it and say "Nah, just a really strong friendship"
>>1912167
You know you're in a minority when waifufags are considered normalfags.
>>1912172
Well, more in the way that, the people who are into anime-style/Gust games are usually waifufags, so that's their "normalfag" fanbase, i just expressed myself poorly
Is this not just overreacting to previews not saying they're lovers? But you wouldn't say that in previews even if it does become pretty clear that they are in love over the course of the game. For one thing it's a spoiler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQD4D1zmgX8
>>1912177
As >>1912161 mentioned the game was originally advertised from the very start as "the story of two girls and their untold love".
Like, when you see a trailer for a romance movie it's not like it tries to hide the romance. It's pretty explicit that there will be romance and it will be between these two people. Why change that for the western release?
And now I'd like to bring up a different but related topic. If the localisation is less gay than the Japanese original, is it censorship? Was the homosexuality in the game edited out or toned down to be "more suitable" for a western audience?
>>1912181
If they are stupid enough to censor homosexuality in this day and age, they better be prepared for a huge backlash, remember the Love Live game, that was a mobile game without any real, explicit relationship
If they pull that off in a game like this, people on twitter and tumblr are going to lose their shit and will boycott the game or something (doesn't matter what they do, it's gonna be bad for whoever did the localisition)
>>1912186
Well yeah but on the other hand, who cares about them? And almost everyone I know plays or has played that Love Live game even if they knew about the gender change thing.
As much as people will complain about it, they're probably still going to buy the game.
By the way, has there been a case of Japanese media having homosexuality censored when it got localised? All I can think of is 90's anime like Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura and even then the homosexuality stuff just got buried under all the other changes that got made.
>>1912189
Not really, i can't think of anything
The point is, they changed the Love Live game translation, and localisation studios nowadays should be aware that people have access to information about the original product and that people wouldn't take it very well if they discover that homosexuality was censored
I mean, it's something that companies would definetly get harassed for and it would be just bad for their image
A better example:
Like, wasn't there a game that had a joke considered "transphobic" and people complained so much that they removed it/changed it? I don't remember the name of the game, but something like this happened
What i'm trying to say is, if they actually do something dumb like that, they will get harassed until they change it
>>1912194
The only one I can think of was in Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn where Nintendo sort of censored Heather's speech about only women can satisfied her but left clues she was a lesbian.
>>1912189
>By the way, has there been a case of Japanese media having homosexuality censored when it got localised?
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn toned Heather down a bit. Just a bit, it's still fairly obvious she's meant to be a lesbian. If anything, they just made it so that she had at least some lines that weren't about her trying to pick up girls.
On the /y/ end of things, the localization played up the romantic angle between Ike and Elincia's interactions in PoR, maybe assuming that it'd go somewhere in the planned sequel RD, before they pretty much just gave up in RD(and Radiant Dawn's obviously rushed development compromising supports and character interaction in general). It's not quite degaying it, but rather making a character that's otherwise uninterested in women seem more straight.
But hey, we got an explicit gay option in the latest Fire Emblem, which Nintendo very calculatedly declined to mention until the Japanese launch, and was revealed via a Nintendo of America press release.
One of the Harvest Moons cut out the lesbian option in localization. It was more of a "super best friends with all the benefits" kind of thing in the original rather than an explicit homosexual option, but they still just removed the option anyway.
>>1912181
>If the localisation is less gay than the Japanese original, is it censorship?
This is kind of a rough thing to judge simply because I'm not really quite sure how gay the original was. There's some screenshots with kissing(that may be part of some magical ceremony) and the dialogue and some endings are obviously romantically charged but they might've kept it within plausible deniability as Japan is so often fond of.
>>1912213
Wasn't there some kind of controversy about the latest Fire Emblem making a gay person straight or something? Although I'm aware there's some controversy about how correct that controversy is and I have no idea how it ended up.
>>1912219
The girls was bi, but she vastly preffered girls, so the MC gave her a potion that made her see guys as girls
Something like this
>>1912221
Yeah it was this. I think the biggest issue wast hat the female MC couldn't S rank her (same as Camilla who is also clearly infatuated with the main character regardless of gender). I assume they just made Shara the only same-sex S-Rank on the female side because if they had made those other two S-Ranks as well they would have had to do the same with two more guys to keep it even.
>>1912110
Eh if this is like GrimGrimoire I'm game, really.
>>1912235
Same thing here, i also think they probably did Shara first and came up with the Bi girl later, that's the only logical explanation, otherwise they're just lazy, retarded or both
>>1912238
Well considering how much effort went into the female Shara convos and S-Rankas well as that neat Shara only Invisible Kingdom endingit might have been a combination of both.
I don't hate ambiguity. I wish more het relationships were ambiguous, though. I'm tired of bad romance getting in the way of good stories.
About this game, as long as they keep the original audio as an option, I don't really care. And if it's dub only, I won't buy it anyway.
>>1912238
It's more like they planned to have a gay(or bi, rather) option but kept changing who it was since there's leftover data that insinuates that Azura was going to be the lesbian option at one point.
>>1912258
I think all recent Gust games have had dual audio, aside from Ayseha PS3. Though I've heard people saying that this might be sub-only.
>>1912271
>Though I've heard people saying that this might be sub-only.
Which has become increasingly popular with games like these. Saves money after all on a game that will probably only be bought by a niche audience.
>>1912258
Only Ayesha on PS3 is dub only and they got a big shitstorm because of it. There was a boycotting campaign and it was the worst selling Atelier in the west. After that, they promised that every Gust game localized will get dual audio and they have keep the promise for now.
>>1912271
>Though I've heard people saying that this might be sub-only.
Haven't heard anything about this.
>>1912338
>Sub-only makes sense, since they were afraid to localize it to begin with.
They were afraid of localize Ar no Surge too and the game still has dual audio.
>>1912338
Why do companies do dual audio anyway? Like, everyone always bitches about English dubs. Always.
I myself prefer English dubs usually but I've never had anyone agree with me.
>>1912355
Considering how hard is to find videos of games with japanese audio on YT, I assume a lot of people actually likes the dubs.
>>1912110
Haven't managed to read all the post yet but please tell me you guys are discussing about the loss of 'subtext' in the game because of the translation because they seem so damn gay in the japanese version. I don't think I can even recall any scenes that shows Arnas or Lilysse are even bi
>>1912355
You just hear the loud whining, but the majority has always preferred dubs. Not even a contest. Subtitles are a niche of the extreme weeaboo.
>>1912110
Okay, I'm playing the game right now, and it's pretty clear that Arnas is in love with Lyuritis. I didn't got yet the star gazing scene, so I can't tell about Lyuritis even if there's strong gay vibes around her, but Arnas being gay as fuck is right in your face.
Now I'm worried for the localization.
>>1912110
You should know by know that if they don't at least kiss plausible deniability is always on the table.
>>1912446
>>1912110
It is straight up Yuri. Any Yuri fan that isn't of the uber anal-rentive sort will be decently satisfied by it.
The problem now is Koei Techmo is on the path to censoring all the Yuri. The original Japanese description made it clear it's about the story of 2 girls in love. And the game, which has already been released in Japan DID deliver on that, pretty reasonably. The entire game is very, very Rulitis/Arnas focused. No het at all period.
I'm very annoyed as well by KT choosing to do this to one of the rare yuri games out of Japan.
How about complaining after it's released?
The director said that it was ambiguous as well (if I remember correctly), but in the end there was nothing ambiguous about it at all.
>>1912129
>>1912142
>>1912144
Yahoos like these 3 who've never played the game and seen all the endings, should shut up and stop talking like you know shit.
If censorship wasn't a problem, I will say it's a Yuri fan's loss if they didn't pick up the game. However, with censorship on the table, I'd say to wait for the feedback of people who have played the Japanese version first to compare notes with the English one. If they changed the entire script to something out of 4kids, then you can forget it.
>>1912189
>Well yeah but on the other hand, who cares about them?
Did you miss the time when Nintendo themselves were pushed into making an offcial statement following the huge backlash caused by their removal of gay marriage in Tomodachi Life - which was only possible in the first place because of a bug? Then surprise, their next game with romantic relationships introduced legit gay options, which as anon said >>1912218 was revealed via an official American press release.
We're not 10 or even 5 years ago anymore, things have changed. When marketing to a younger audience, you don't want to be seen as a company who stifle the gay nowadays.
>>1912478
You're right. At this point I'm trying to be optimistic and they're just joking about them being 'totally friends'.
I mean I sometimes joke with my friends after seeing two girls being all flirty, holding hands etc and call them "y-yeah, it's totally a normal friend behavior".
>>1912504
In case you guys didn't know, their relationship was referred to as friendship on Japanese sites prior to release as well and Lilysse(?)'s profile even describes her as Arnice(?)'s "best friend", so I don't know what you guys are worried about.
>>1912510
It was the Official Japanese website who mentioned the "Story of two girls and their untold love who fell through the cracks of history" in the game summary. This wasn't taken from somewhere else.
Which was why even Siliconera, if you looked through their archives had a different summary when they had only the Japanese one to go by.
Here it is the original one (The article contains a link to the official website for your source) - http://www.siliconera.com/2015/05/18/land-of-no-night-will-tell-the-story-of-two-girls-and-their-untold-love/
Compare the above to the newly censored Thelma & Louise BFF series - http://www.siliconera.com/2015/11/10/meet-arnice-and-lilysse-nights-of-azures-bffs/
The thing is the game did what the Japanese summary said it would do. If, on the contrary, it had failed to deliver, like no yuri at all and the girls ended up with guys or some such thing, then no one (/u/) would be concerned about the wording, cause KT would have been correct then.
>>1912529
It's a leap to consider it censorship just because the information released doesn't use the lines about love. It's not like all the information released about the game in Japanese included something like that and it doesn't mean the information in English wouldn't ever include it. At this point it's paranoia to be saying they've censored something.
>>1912425
I prefer subs for almost all foreign media, not just Japanese, if only because they usually get bargain basement VAs for dubs and they're shit. I also have the ability to read and watch at the same time, but I know a lot of people apparently struggle with this. I usually end up turning off the sound on most games because the voice acting is so fucking bad and just listening to my own music.
Considering the hype, I suspect even Atelier Meruru level of localization would set off a riot. Setting awful translation aside, Atelier Meruru localization ungayed the game only just noticeably ... like Keina's proclamation of "Let's stay together forever" being localized into "Let's stay best friends forever."
Hm, I wish some company over here were willing to license and release the Japanese vanilla game without clusterfuck of localization. I hear this happens a lot in countries near Japan. I wouldn't have to pay and wait for importing then. There's also the benefit of never having to wonder if NA localized version of the game will ever get any of the patches done to the Japanese version.
>>1912359
With people like Matt Mercer doing those dubs? Hell yeah.
>>1912697
Who?
>>1912564
Haven't played Meruru yet, what did they change?
>>1912697
I like Matthew Mercer but I don't know how I feel about him voicing my Chinese vidya lesbians.
>>1912564
> like Keina's proclamation of "Let's stay together forever" being localized into "Let's stay best friends forever."
That is terrible enough censorship! How can you randomly add in your own "BFF forever" if the dialogue never even said that?
Why are the mentally backwards the ones working in the localization industries? I mean, if you look at video games as a whole, you have Bioware pimping out the lesbian stuff in the NA market, so what are these localization company's problems?
>>1912755
Serious answer because it's the industry I work in:
The gust target audience is not the same as the bioware target audience. The otaku audience is assumed to be quite homophobic, and it's a general marketing policy in most companies to downplay any hint of homosexuality. That's why Harvest Moon got an entire path censored, and that's why even rather innocent mentions like Atelier Meruru got censored.
Don't blame loca for this, blame marketing. Translators have to translate according to the view marketing and production set for a game. Even if we think it's wrong, these games have a small number of projected sales, and thus have to play it safe.
>>1912763
>The otaku audience is assumed to be quite homophobic, and it's a general marketing policy in most companies to downplay any hint of homosexuality.
Funny how that works, because shouldn't the Japanese otakus be the ones more "homophobic"? You know, all these stuff are from Japan after all, not the other way around. Instead Yoru No Nai Kuni, Gust's most lesbian game they ever made, almost sold the best.
But then I notice, that in Japan, anything goes in entertainment. Whereas, in NA, with their "Realism contrast" towards fictional products, makes it tough for such things to float, I guess.
Thanks for explanation. That was quite insightful.
>>1912780
>Whereas, in NA, with their "Realism contrast" towards fictional products, makes it tough for such things to float, I guess.
It really explains a lot of about the differences in east and west of the gaming industry. Western games are all about "muh realism and cinematic experience" most of the time.
>>1912876
Don't forget that most western AAA games need to have a Manly McMan as the protagonist while you'll find more beta faggots in Japanese games.
>>1912763
So you're saying that marketing assumes that western consumers of niche japanese games are generally homophobic? Is that something that the western branches of the company think, or is it something passed down by the parent company? Either way, it's a pretty bizarre thing to hear.
>>1912890
It's certainly weird to think they'd be more homophobic than their Japanese equivalents, who were presumably fine with the original homo levels.
>>1912890
I guess if that happens it might be a case of some people in positions to make decisions being homophobic and thinking their sensibilities are common, without any real sense of what their market is like. It probably happens on the Japanese side too, but with things like approving pitches.
>>1912886
And if the japanese game do have a manly protag he's manly as fuck. Case in point: Kazuma Kiryu.
>>1912891
No idea where they'd get the idea from. Even if you took the silly route of limiting your market research to 4chan, the worst you'd get are edgelords on /a/ and /v/ going "well i'd straighten them out with muh dik", but they wouldn't swear off the game or anything.
>>1912898
Plus, it isn't exactly a secret there's lots of women and LGBT people in the Western otakustuff fandom.
>>1912898
That's because 4chan is a lot closer to japan taste wise than the western "otaku" community as a whole. Take a look at places like ANN for example, the retards there are much more likely to be put off by this kind of content.
>>1912913
Really? I never look at ANN of my own volition, but I'd always assumed they'd trend towards the tumblr end of things, which is obnoxious, but would make them all up for this kind of stuff.
>>1912529
I'm pretty sure Siliconera was making fun of their marketing with the last article, since all the talk about this game on comments there were always about yuri.
>>1912564
>>1912763
Then we have Senran Kagura. Biggest otaku game ever. Xseed makes the dialogues even gayer than they already are originally.
And the game sells a lot in west. Probably more than Gust games, anyway.
So...how they explain this?
I wish XSeed would localize every game with yuri subtext.
>>1912945
I don't work in the industry but I think marketing/localization teams are a bunch of idiots and they have no idea about their job. These localization companies are usually small as fuck so they just hire the the worst of the worst just to save some money.
I have seen them censoring/changing or making decisions so stupid that I can't think of another answer and not only releated to yuri or gay stuff.
>>1912110
For people worried about no Japanese voice acting, you can rest easy, the game has actually only japanese voices. Too bad for the people that like theshittyenglish dub.
>https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/664113895087448064
>ib4 Europe
Will be the same for America, all the things Tecmo Europe says about their games are the same for the american release.
>>1913076
>Too bad for the people that like the shitty english dub.
Grow up.
>>1913087
Why? Do you think dubbing only 10% of the game with mediocre voice actors is good?
>>1913087
>defending dubs
>>1913090
Not him, but I like having dubs for the novelty factor only.
But dubbing only 10% of the game? How come?
>>1913116
They said that because with Gust games there's a trend of not dubbing everything that's voiced on the JP language track. That was one of the big complaints about Ayesha, actually, that not only was it dub-only, it was a partial dub at that.
>>1913116
Gust games are always only partially dubbed. Maybe I exaggerated with the 10%, since is actually around 30 - 40%. They just dub the main story and some side quests, the rest of the game is un-voiced.
Here's an example:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WkLnru5DzE
All those scenes should be voiced but less than half of them actually are.
>>1913126
But we are talking about Tecmo here, their dubs are always partial and mediocre.
And yes, Atlus dubs are pretty decent compared to others and the games are 100% dubbed at least.
As a non native english speaker I still consider the dubs of those games pretty bad compared to the original voices though, almost as bad as watching american movies/series with spanish dubs.
>>1913126
BlazBlue's dub is also pretty great. Especially in the gagreels when they just go balls to the walls.
>>1912763
Ok, as you had given us a serious answer, allow me to ask a serious question:
How did your marketing department come to the conclusion that the western otaku audience is "quite homophobic"? You said assumed, but was this assumption based on statistical result (like, the result of a proper research) or just the subjective knowledge of the people in the marketing department?
If the answer is the former, then all I can feel is that I'm disappointed in the majority of the western otaku audience. Disappointed not because they don't like yuri, but because they are still homophobic in this day and age. People are free to like and dislike based on their taste, I understand this and respect this. But homophobia? Now it's not even about "like" or "don't like" anymore, just simply "backward".
And if the answer is the latter? Well, I'd advise your company to fire those in the marketing department ASAP to prevent further lost of sales (Mine, for example).
Just my little piece of thought, reply if you want but please, no troll.
>>1913812
The same way marketing departments come to the conclusion that male videogame players are scared of female characters, or that male moviegoers cannot accept movies with female leads, or that women only buy games that are pink.
Shitty focus group testing.
Again a perfectly serious answer. If you think I agree with this marketing "wisdom", you got me utterly wrong.
>>1913812
>Well, I'd advise your company to fire those in the marketing department ASAP to prevent further lost of sales (Mine, for example).
Yeah. First no Vita version, then censorship shenanigans. How is it that a Western society is more backward than a Japanese one? Did they ever think, if the Japanese can accept it, why shouldn't the people they are selling it to, who are supposed to be from more forward-thinking countries?
>>1913815
Their focus testing should stop focusing on the irrelevant general public who don't really play games or watch movies. Most of the more hardcore ones, who will regularly spend money on games or movies (+ keeping up-to-date on information), if anyone noticed, tend to be more open-minded than the casuals.
>>1912763
>hey guys, there's this game wich features two girls in love with each other we need to localize
>screw lesbians. Let's make them BFF!
>good idea! That way the game won't sell and we won't need to localize anymore if they make another game like that
>yeah, good idea!
>>1913815
I see. First I'd like to admit that I can't do marketing because that's not my major, but allow me to say this: damned incompetent fools.
I'm sorry, it looks like I'm taking it out on you doesn't it? That was not my intention however, for it was clear to me from your post that you're not one of them. As for whether you agreed with them or not I couldn't tell, but with your reply I can see the answer to that. Thank you for your serious reply and sorry if I offended you in anyway.
My opinion remains though: those in the marketing department should be fired ASAP (I know that it doesn't matter what my opinion is, but...I needed to vent. Sorry (again))
>>1913974
You do know you don't have to type like you're on tumblr right
>>1913841
>My opinion remains though: those in the marketing department should be fired ASAP
I have yet to work for a games company where most departments didn't think marketing was filled with monkeys.
>>1914001
Everyone loves to blame marketing for any perceived wrongs they have but no one ever proposes a real alternative. I'm in finance but I have a minor in marketing and know people who work there, and their job is extremely hard.
Marketing is far from being an exact science and there's a lot of guessing going on so 90% of strategies end up failing. That's simply how it works.
>>1914022
The reason marketing is blamed because marketing keeps demanding changes that you know are completely insane.
Alternatives are always proposed, but shot down, and then a game tanks. People do have alternatives. Good ones, too. But Marketing has ownership and overrides those.
General industry problem, by the way. It's why Indie games are so popular - they don't have to fuck their games up due to shitty marketing demands.
>>1914052
>People do have alternatives. Good ones
No, they are shit, they like to believe they have better ideas that the people who actually dedicate their lives to marketing, but they don't.
>But Marketing has ownership and overrides those.
With good reason, because I sure as hell wouldn't let my accounting to the guys from HR for example.
>>1914058
Eh, if most marketing strategies fail, why bother? And in this case IF they REALLY cut out the lesbian stuff.. they need to get their reality checked. It'll hurt TK. SO MUCH. Not just because the game will perhaps tank. Heck, it might not tank at all. No, but, people will jump on that if they get that info. Right now, cutting out gay stuff is NOT very liked in the West. Like not at all. Even Nintendo is proudly offering gay relationships in Fire Emblem now. Why? Surely not because they wanted. It's good marketing now.
It's not the right time to rewrite lesbians right now. In fact, an Aterlier localization that just changes 2 lines to give an openly gay conclusion to a relationship with two girls would probably be decent marketing. (and 2 lines would probably be enough, too..)
That said, I'm sure there are also people who are against it. Some who'd support the game just because it cuts it out. Doubt it's worth it though.
That said, KT are kinda shit anyway. Terrible localization is normal for them. Only Ps4 for a niche-game? What? Also where are the Pc ports? At least Atelier games run on the same Engine as Dynasty, so that shouldn't be an issue. Dunno what they are doing. Unfortunate, because at least Gust games are at least quite nice.
>>1913841
>How is it that a Western society is more backward than a Japanese one? Did they ever think, if the Japanese can accept it, why shouldn't the people they are selling it to, who are supposed to be from more forward-thinking countries?
It's not about which society is more forward or backward. Societal values have less to do with this than the actual numbers, and Japanese developers and marketers for these types of entertainment don't have to worry about half the numbers their Western counterparts have to deal with.
The Japanese at large might not accept something, but as long as the Japanese otaku who pays for the genre accepts it, that's enough.
It's hard to explain because I'm not an anthropologist. The relationship between the “society” and the “otaku” is unique in Japan. The Japanese society at large can (and does) frown upon otaku all they want, but zero shit is given by otaku because the otaku industry is established enough so that they don't need the societal approval to survive.
Comiket and Akiba are the big names, but only a slice of the industry. Gamerz, Sofmap, Animate, Toranoana – if the series gets famous enough, they can start dishing out different tokuten per retail franchise. The series can sprawl into other medium for more profit, make goods, and even get exported overseas. Even if the series doesn't get madomagi famous, it will still have their original target audience of otaku who pays for the genre.
What does the Western otaku community have in comparison? Being an importer who has to analyze people bitching about gay or lack thereof isn't easy.
Learn Japanese, anon. How the Western consumers of Japanese otaku products are treated won't change anytime soon. Or I suppose you can try to convert as many people you meet as possible into otaku who are willing to produce and consume yuri.
>>1914069
>Pc ports
Quite simply, not financially worth effort.
>>1914069
>KT
>pc ports
no thanks, had enough of those shoddy things already
>>1914069
>Also where are the Pc ports
KT ports are the worst they always use the worst version of the game rather than the good version.
>>1914069
>Also where are the Pc ports?
Oh anon, you so funny.
>>1914229
They'll probably start as BFFs then move on to lovers or not who knows.
>>1913133
Exactly, it's as my Amigo says, as non native english speakers, for most of us the english dub remains bad or lacking.
>>1912481
PR and QA people don't know shit about games
leave it alone
>>1912481
>>1914306
they dont know shit about games, only do it if you think you can raise enough of a stink.
people want to protest the easy way but the reality is pretty clear. your protest is wasted if its not dedicated by your free time spent working with yourself and organizing others to provide an effective force.
Nintendo patched tomodachi life because of their mistake, but who do you think got them to do that? The engine of LGBT supporters and an ocean of blogs and news sites talking about the issue.
If we raise a stink we HAVE to follow through. we cant just complain a few times and expect shit to be done. I think spamming a twitter isnt necissarily pointless. think about it, if the guy responsible for twitter is getting a shit load of shit for this, the people above him are not going to miss it if its big enough. but if you don't do it right you are just torturing a person who has no power for little reason other than frustration at a decision out of his hand. for your sake and his, we should only go into this if we are ready to take both barrels.
>>1914498
Email and complain to sites like Kotaku then.
The only issue here is the that original Japanese dub isn't 100% explicitly open about their relationship either.
>>1914540
>The only issue here is the that original Japanese dub isn't 100% explicitly open about their relationship either.
It's enough that if Arnas were a male instead of a female, nobody would doubt any romantic interest between them. As usual, some people have the mentality that girls must prove twice as hard more than any het or gay male couple, before they can just be.
>>1914551
Right, because that's how real human interactions are. The same social construct that "requires" girls to prove it twice as hard is also the one that keeps men from being too close with eachother unless they wanna be labeled gay.
Not Yoru No Nai Kuni related, but partially on-topic.
http://spplmj.tumblr.com/post/133152288813/leaked-fire-emblem-fates-localization-details
Whelp. Looks like Fire Emblem Fates is getting the same censorship treatment. If it's true, then the anon that claimed to work for a localization company is correct.
>>1914659
>Dialogue involving themes that could be considered religious has been updated to replace religious themes with internet memes.
I refuse to believe this is real, i think someone is trolling us
>>1914659
Anon, you really shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. Especially those without any proof of any sort.
>>1914667
That post is transparently a joke and there isn't yet any real reason to be bummed over Nights of Azure either.
>>1914659
>you are this stupid
>>1914669
>>I've been beaten by video game publishers so much that a backhanded scrap and "mild" censorship is like getting kissed from my oneesama.
>>1914669
Getting a censored version IS plenty of reason to be upset.
>>1914873
Don't get in the way of a good self-righteous Internet hysteria.
>>1914893
>complaint on an image board
>hysteria
Please never visit /v/. You'll have an aneurisma.
>>1914923
Why would anyone ever want to visit /v/?
>>1914923
That anon's right though. Complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet is indeed something you can call hysteria.
>>1914936
I will say that the wording of one article isn't enough evidence to say they've done something to the game, but the attitude that some people have that you shouldn't complain until after it's already too late is fucking moronic.
>>1912194
>Like, wasn't there a game that had a joke considered "transphobic" and people complained so much that they removed it/changed it? I don't remember the name of the game, but something like this happened
Pillars of Eternity.And the "joke" was a super minor piece of text, put in game by a game backer, not the creators, in a special place with other backer made messages that the game even encourages not to read during Loadscreen tips as some of them break the fourth wall and even if you did read them, there were hundreds of them so the probability to find that one was super small.
The joke/poem itself also didn't necessarily refer to trans people and seemed to make fun of the eventual transphobe and not the other way around (It was about a man who got drunk and in the morning discovered he had sex with another man and then proceeded to kill himself)
Basically the ting was super retarded and blown out of proportions.
Anyway for the topic at hand, I sure hope Koei Tecmo won't do anything stupid, but they seem to be really open to feedback and like to keep their customers happy so I'm being mildly optimistic.
>>1914937
>the attitude that some people have that you shouldn't complain until after it's already too late is fucking moronic.
No, it's called being reasonable. Complaining about something that -might- happen, without any hard evidence like you said, is very much like those nutjobs you see in the street saying that the end of the world will be on next Friday.
>>1914940
>Koei Tecmo won't do anything stupid
They won't since I think a majority of their translation have been spot on and they are mostly known for fanservice.
>>1914960
The difference is that the loud twitter people hate Japan and would consider this game just porn for straight men and not a "real" homosexual relationship story since the characters are attractive anime style females and not ogres with short pink hair and ear gauges.
>>1914940
Ah, yes, that was it
See, that was my point, if something as minor as this got changed because people were upset, imagine what would happen if someone decided to localise a game censoring a homosexual relationship that's important to the plot, people would lose their shit and it wouldn't stay that way
TL:DR - the localisation team probably isn't stupid enough to do this, and if they are, they will get harassed until they change it
>>1913126
>Also not him, but games such as Tales of Vesperia, Persona 4, and BlazBlue have very good dubs
>Persona 4
>very good
Holy fuck please be trolling.
Persona 4 dub was such a giantic unsufferable shitfest it was the first game I had to mute voices to go through.
>>1914943
Also, the wording people are complaining about is from media outlets, not KT themselves.
It's probably going to be fine.
>>1914962
Well aren't we just mad.
>>1914962
Hm. After checking with these people, nope, not the case. Lesbian stuff is very popular there, regardless of look. See korrasami.
I know you have a persecution complex on that topic, but stick to reality, alright?
>>1914873
yeah, in the same way that politically charged atmosphere in Europe circa the early renaissance didn't censor books by merit of what people where willing to do or say.
>>1914942
>being reasonable
>on /u/
Ha. The board is one of the most pessimistic places I've seen. You should've seen some of the threads about various shows where they were dreading every episode that could ruin yuri potential.
Of course it was fun to watch the Korra thread when the finale ended. I think that was the happiest I've ever seen the board.
>>1915772
It's reasonable for a yuri fan to be pessimistic.
>>1914970
>>Persona 4 dub was such a giantic unsufferable shitfest it was the first game I had to mute voices to go through.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt that way, I didn't even finish it I hated the characters so much.
>>1915976
No it isn't. I keep hearing this "we've been burned before" nonsense, but it's still no excuse to whine about how something won't be yuri to people who think it will. If you don't think it won't be yuri, keep it to yourself and let the rest of the board discuss it. This goes double if it's something that isn't even released yet.
YnnK is somewhat different than /u/'s regular "THERE WILL BE DICKS EVERYWHERE doomsaying, since people can actually motion to change things, I'll grant you that. But if you think the localization will remove the yuri, then what you should do is to go ask the team instead of throwing a temper tantrum with no information whatsoever.
>>1916016
Well, you 2 have utterly bad tastes then
>>1912748
/u people know that everything should be voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch.
>>1912748
What better way to test his gigantic voice range than this, right?
>>1915976
It's reasonable for a fan of anything to be pessimistic. Yuri is just even more painful to hope for.
The literal only thing I never have to worry about is Yugioh.
>>1916016
I had to say that I disliked Chie's voice compared to her japanese voice in the anime but the other voices were fine. And I usually hate dubs with passion.
>>1916037
On the contrary, actually.
>>1915772
lol, and, atheists vs religious?
>>1915772
>Ha. The board is one of the most pessimistic places I've seen.
This desu senpai.
Sometimes I would argue /u/ hates lesbians more than any other place.
>>1920937
Winners!!! Atheists
I hate religious
>>1917483
I think American Chie was played in a different register than the others, which was distracting, but I still liked her characterization.
>>1914970
Persona 4 had Troy Baker as Kanji to save the day when he went full gay as Shadow Kanji.
>>1920945
I want to say you are wrong but we have regular idol threads and theyre popular.
>>1921151
>we have regular idol threads and theyre popular
We had regular idol threads but they stopped nearly a year ago, precisely because there wasn't enough interest. I'd guess you're mistaking the Love Live threads - which sometimes have 3DPD opening posts and discussions, since the franchise has some 3D content with the seiyuu - for idol threads.
