It's not even close.
>>71788525
Nolan pls
Nolan pls
>>71788525
Nolan didnt want superman to die.
Wonder women should have had more screen time. Fuck you Zack Snyder you fucking hack.
>>71789058
why? her casting was awful.
>>71788525
I like both movies, but prefer BvS Ultimate by quite a bit.
>>71789342
The casting was fine. The character was horrible.
My only complaint is that they included the Justice League shilling and doomsday, which were both obviously forced onto Snyder by Warner Bros. and DC.
>>71789386
yikes
>>71789414
>The casting was fine
>>71789501
What was wrong about it?
Do you have any arguments other than snoody greentext and frogposting?
>>71788525
it's true /tv/ is still trying to fully comprehend the masterpiece that is TDKR
Superman 1 and 2
Batman 89
Batman Returns
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Spider-Man 1 and 2
The Rocketeer
The Incredibles
X2
First Class
Days of Future Past
Antman
Iron Man
Captain America 2
Hell Boy 1 and 2
>>71789569
Yeah people say that BVS stills gets discussed a lot but TDKR is going on 5 years and we still have daily threads.
>>71789519
>Gal Gadot
>good casting
>>71789414
>The casting was fine
She needs fucking subtitles
>>71789650
Man, you really did show me why I was wrong with your snarky-unsupported greentext and reaction image. Thanks for showing me the truth based on evidence and reasoning.
They're both total garbage, but BvS is probably a little better.
>>71789621
People rarely talk about the actual movie. It's actually kind of impossible to discuss because of how pervasive the Bane meme is.
>>71789569
why hold a gun on someone who's blindfolded? the subtleties of this masterpiece have yet to be unraveled
>>71789681
not him, but Gal is not Wonder Woman
she's just cosplaying
>>71789704
lolno
>>71789650
I don't see anybody outside of /tv/ complain about Gadot's Wonder Woman. Loved her and can't wait for the standalone movie, desu.
>>71789732
Again.
Please show me why that's the case rather than just oneliners.
Wonder Woman is a dull, tall and generic woman who fights crime. She's also supposed to be pretty and seem somewhat foreign.
All of that was covered.
>>71789728
I don't understand how people still have respect for Nolan after he says things like this.
>>71789777
She doesn't have the look or the personality. Not even close.
>>71789681
You're the one claiming she's a good actress. The burden of proof is on you.
>>71789758
b8
The Dark Knight Rises has its flaws, but it's still a mostly competently made movie with likable characters. Despite the gritty and realistic aesthetic, it isn't dark and edgy like BvS and its themes are quite positive and uplifiting.
BvS is pretentious garbage that thinks it has something to say but is ultimately all sound and fury. Your movie loses any illusion of complexity when there's literally a scene where a character watches trailers for the next movie.
>>71789827
She's tall, tan, pretty and visibly "strong." That is the look of Wonder Woman.
She is dull and straight forward. She has a tiny bit of sass but that's about all the personality the character has. That's portrayed fine in the movie.
>>71789777
If that's all there is to Wonder Woman's character, why do people like her?
Who were the soldiers and bug aliens in the post-apocolyptic dream?
I'm not joking when I say I get the Kino memes. I saw this at the dollar theatre last night and certain parts made me laugh out-loud, certain parts were incoherent, but honestly, parts of it it were really strong and interesting, more so than any Marvel flick.
That begining scene with Wayne watching his entire building get destroyed and thousands of employees dying was honestly moving and really set up batman's motivations.
My problems:
>What was the point of lex framing supes in Africa?
>What was the point of setting off the bomb during the hearing? (was it just to eliminate that senator, even though other senators would obviously deny him too?)
>Why did Lex want supes dead when Batman was causing him more trouble?
>If Lex was scared of a being supes, why did he go out of his way to make doomsday?
>Everything with CG was terrible
>Wonderman fighting out of nowhere (she was okay before the reveal)
>Those hamfisted reveals of the other heroes mid fight scene
Someone please help me with this, I'm being serious.
>>71789716
What bane meme? I had no clue this movie was even meme worthy.
>>71789884
Lol
Lovely burden of proof fallacy.
You have ZERO evidence. Absolutely none. Therefor you push the task of finding evidence on me in hopes I just stop. You're a dumbass and wrong. The best part is that you know it.
Fuck off.
>BvS produces forced memes like Lex Luthor and Gal Gadot
>TDKR produces the greatest, dankest meme ever born
>>71789905
A strong female character will always sell.
Lots of people like Katy Perry's music. It must be full of unique personality and objective quality!
>>71789935
>People will still fall for this incredibly shitty bait
>>71789935
If this were a courtroom, and you were the defense attorney to my prosecutor, I'd have cleaned your client dry. Every argument relies on proof. If you have no proof, you lose. Period. There's no debating this.
>>71789758
RLM hated her
and I always mindlessly do what they say
Can we all just kill ourselves? It's pathetic how we talk about these movies 24/7. If you frequent /tv/ longer than a month then you need the draft.
>>71789894
Not thick enough. Sorry, she doesn't cut it at all.
>>71789894
>and visibly "strong."
Top fucking kek.
>>71789935
I understand how you feel, anon. People can be such shits.
>>71789935
>evidence for an opinion
shiggy
>>71789907
>Who were the soldiers and bug aliens in the post-apocolyptic dream?
They were Darkseid's soldiers is what I heard. At the end of the movie in the ultimate cut, Lex summoned Darkseid's uncle(?) to earth, so that would lead to those bug troopers in later movies.
>What was the point of lex framing supes in Africa?
So that Batman would think of him as a threat. Remember that black woman he bribed/threatened to talk shit about Supes?
>What was the point of setting off the bomb during the hearing? (was it just to eliminate that senator, even though other senators would obviously deny him too?)
To eliminate the senator and cause people to suspect Superman of either being involved in the bombing or being negligent in finding and stopping it from going off. Remember how he was trying to prove that god cannot be both all good and all powerful?
Why is Gal Gadot so perfect?
>>71789907
>more so than any Marvel flick
this is incorrect, Marvel makes competent movies.
BvS is not a movie, it's a 3 hour trailer for Justice League.
>>71789907
you have coherently identified all the major problems, there is no help sorry
>>71789386
same here anon
>>71789659
Why is it Americans can only handle about 3 different accents and just go brain dead with any other
>>71790296
dirty Kikes don't speak human languages.
>>71790211
>remember the black woman he brided/threatened
>he bribed/threatened
No, because this wasn't in the theatrical cut and it's no wonder I confused people.
When I saw the movie I figured she had genuinely been tricked into believing superman had killed people, but there's nothing to actually indicate that.
A lot of the finer details that people complain about are very valid based of the theatrical cut. It's a real shape the JL shit wasn't cut out instead of the extra stuff from the ultimate cut. Literally all they needed to set up the JL was the bit with Bruce at the funeral at the end.
>>71790256
Marvel makes very good commercials for averages crap for kids to buy.
TDKR was a 'disappointment' because the two moves that preceded it were incredible
BvS was a 'disappointment' because it was supposed to be Avengers-caliber, with all of WB's minds working on the project to deliver to us a real treat, but it turned out awful.
The best analogy I saw was from another anon on here: if Civil War was The Black Album, then BvS was St Anger. BvS tried to be different, and failed, while CW played it safer, and succeeded.
>>71789889
>BvS is pretentious garbage
Children opinions are always easy to spot.
>>71790442
>Marvel makes very good commercials for averages crap for kids to buy.
sure thing buddy. whatever you say.
I thought the set-up of having Lex bring the aliens to earth, like he rang a dinner bell, was a really good way to set up worthy adversaries for the JLA to fight. It would be completely nonsensical for them to waste their abilities fighting relative pissants like the joker or whoever else.
>>71790445
>tried to be different
Doomsday was painfully generic monster bullshit.
Putting in Ant-Man and Spider-Man in a movie where the tone is supposed to be slightly darker than usual for that series was a huge risk.
The tone could have been horribly inconsistent but it worked perfectly.
Snyder’s thrillingly intelligent use of interior conflict and political antagonism vastly outclasses Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises — all noxious — which were bellwethers of our culture’s decline.
Fanboys prefer the Nolan films for their “darkness,” which emphasized the sophomoric, pseudo-tragic elements of the Batman graphic novels. But Snyder’s more adult treatment finds the material’s emotional core. This displeases the fanboy/hipster whose adolescent embarrassment about feelings was exploited through Nolan’s emotionless violence and post–9/11 nihilism.
The pain of post–9/11 as reflected in Nolan’s Batman films was a paradigm shift. But fantasy cannot conscientiously be enjoyed Nolan’s way, without any sense of social, historical, or moral consequence.
It takes just such dreamlike moral clarity to reprove the Nolan trilogy’s chaos.
In this age of petty Marvels, most comic-book movies merely perpetrate fantasies of power, but Snyder, enacting his personal aesthetic, braves a film that examines those fantasies.
>>71790556I was mostly saying that to avoid the Snyderbots from raging.Civil War is better in every way, especially themes and exposition. But they'll never admit it.
>>71790594You are smart man, anon.Too smart for this board
>>71790583
>disliked Toy Story 3
>unironically liked Jonah Hex
>>71790594
>>71790638
>ywn be so ashamed of your opinion that you'll feel the need to hide it with spoilers
>>71790644
>>>/v/
Toy Story 3 is a shameful cashgrab though.
TS2>TS>TS3
>>71790679
1 is much better than2
>>71790556
>Doomsday was painfully generic monster bullshit.
yeah, doomsday has always been that
>that ant-man and spider-man risk comment
completely wrong,
spider-man himself has had many dark stories many time, but because people think of him as this joking personality they think there's some type of struggle to put him there
the only hard part about having those characters there is the script reason, why are they here, how did they get here
>>71790662
Civil War was infinilty better movie than BvS.
Iron Man 2 is more competent movie than BvS.
Spider-Man 3 is a more coherent movie than BvS.
BvS is edited by mentally ill retard with absolutly no understanding of cinema.
BvS was so fucking bad it was goddamn insult to the art of editing movies.
What a pile of fucking horseshit.
>>71789801
>story shared similarities to AToTC
>sets were fuck huge like Metropolis
>film depicts a sort of revolution
>is technically an epic for the scale of the production and the actual run time
>is actually the biggest production helmed by Nolan
biguy4u doesn't make TDKR a bad movie, just mediocre. at the very least better than the pile of shit that is BvS
>>71790765
>muh editing
All fixed in the definitive version.
>>71790864
That doesn't fix the horrible script.
Goyer is shit and ruined the DCEU.
A complete reboot or doing Flashpoint to erase BvS and MoS is the only hope for this universe.
>>71790864
Are you implying editing is not an important thing in movies or something?
>>71790924
I'm implying his main complaint is editing, and that's fixed.
>>71790949
How is it fixed?
>>71790919
>Horrible script
how? explain in detail
>>71790967
It is. The esiting was a mess in the Theatrical Cut because storylines were removed, scenes were shortened, etc. If you haven't watched the UC see for yourself.
Or if you don't believe me read any of the numerous reviews of it.
>>71790919
It's posts like this that make me think that some people dislike the writing in BvS simply because of this preconcieved idea that Goyer did it... even though he didn't. At least not for what ended up being filmed.
Which is strange for several reasons, but the biggest being that this movie as a whole does not sound like something that Goyer would write.
>>71790972
It's been picked apart to death, I'm not going to regurgitate this shit.
If you couldn't see massive plot holes like Lois magically figuring out that they needed the spear to kill doomsday without anyone telling her or how Batman figured out Doomsday was kryptonian without any information whatsoever, (You) are not worth my time and are a blind fanboy.
>>71790919
>A complete reboot or doing Flashpoint to erase BvS and MoS is the only hope for this universe.
nah
full steam ahead
>>71791096
Are you retarded?
He came straight from the kryptonian ship. You might be dumb, but Lois and Batman aren't, sorry.
>>71791048
I've heard this Goyer complaint numerous times, without any logical justification. Simply a circular logic trap:
Goyer's script is shit.
Why?
Because Goyer wrote it.
People forget that Terrio revised it entirely.
Either way the logic is flawed and simply spouted as if it's absolute and irrefutable truth. To be frank it sounds like how children argue.
>>71789681
>mister skeletal should be WW
neck yourself
>>71791048
to them, shit writing = "not muh characters"
The script is actually quite good in a lot areas as seen in the UC, and the dialogue is some of the best in any capefilm really.
>>71791096
Both of these complaints are addressed with the very public weirdness surrounding the kryptonian ship as doomsday is being created. There's news coverage, power outages, people freaking out. it's not a stretch at all that Batman and Lois would assume that Doomsday came from the kryptonian ship and is probably kryptonian.
>>71791150
She is, and I love it.
>>71791127
Chris Nolan oversaw and supervised Goyer's script for Man of Steel.
>Terrio completely re-wrote BvS from Goyer's script.
>>71791048
It's ridiculous how a big budget movie like this has such an awful script! It's unforgivably stupid.
3 years of fucking hype for this piece of shit.
Fuck Warner Bros, I don't care Stanley Kubrick wrote it. There truly was no quality control for this crap flick.
>>71790765
>MCUck retard with horrible taste
>>71791170
>would assume
stopped reading right there, that's a horrible script.
>>71791170
>>71791126
Don't forget that Batman and Lois were both in contact with people who DID know that doomsday just came out of the Kryptonian ship.
also:
>Superman is an alien
>Kryptonite hurts
>Doomsday is an alien
>Maybe kryptonite hurts him
It doesn't take huge leaps to understand their logic, even if they were complete guesses.
Was the Lex in this movie the son of the dude in MoS? I only ever saw parts of it.
>>71791191
She has nice legs tbph
>>71791096
>If you couldn't see massive plot holes like Lois magically figuring out that they needed the spear to kill doomsday without anyone telling her or how Batman figured out Doomsday was kryptonian without any information whatsoever, (You) are not worth my time and are a blind fanboy.
not that guy but you're the one in the wrong here
>the lois-spear connection
the movie establishes that she knows about the event at the kryptonian ship even if she, like everyone else, isn't aware of what's going on inside
when batman and superman stop fighting, she tells them both about the ship and how it must be lex
later on when doomsday is led back to gotham and superman tackles it, the camera cuts back to lois as she hears the roar then cuts behind her clearly showing that she's watching the shit happen at a distance
so in her mind
ship acting up, now there's a monster, it has laser beams, GEE i wonder if there's a connection here
>batman
we know batman knows about lex is generally up to something
after he saves martha, and after doomsday's first explosion, we get a moment of him flying towards metropolis where he asks alfred to fill him in on what's happening
later, when doomsday falls back bruce flies near it at which point it FUCKING SHOOTS LASERS AT HIM with bruce immediately after saying "its kryptonian
no plot holes to be found
>>71791238
How would Lois know anything about Kryptonite?
>>71791127
apparently the pottery came from terrio, as well as the dialogue which is much smoother with a lot of use of different forms of irony
these things stood out to me as being ungoyer like
>>71791224
Why? It's a reasonable assumption for the circumstances. Your confusion seems to mainly stem from neither Batman nor Lois verbally expressing their thoughts, which wasn't needed. At least for me. Maybe for yours and others' sake they should have said something to themselves, like Lois did in the UC's scene where she realizes Wallace didn't plan to blow himself up (I surely would have been a confused if that wasn't made so explicitly clear).
>>71791286
>>71791238
see>>71791224
>>71791346
learn a thing or two about screenwriting before posting here.
>>71791341
>How would Lois know anything about Kryptonite?
i wonder if it has anything to do with her walking in on a guy that completely fucked clark's shit because of the kryptonite
PLOT HOLE
>>71791341
Did you miss the part where superman is weakened by the spear and she throws it away?
>>71791383
A green rock means nothing to her.
She has no idea what it is.
>>71791372
There is literally wrong with characters making assumptions or leaps in logic. Making you audience assume or jump logically is poor, but that isn't what happened.
Please go back to your Film 101 class before acting pretentious here, thanks.
>>71791398
That doesn't mean she will suddenly know you need it to kill Doomsday.
All she would know is that it makes Superman weak, why would it have any correlation to Doomsday whatsoever?
>>71791425
>There is literally nothing wrong with characters making assumptions or leaps in logic.
Stopped reading right there, you are plain wrong and know nothing about screenwriting.
>>71791372
That's rude. Tough day?
>>71791404
bro, are you fucking serious?
she walks in on a situation where the only thing that makes sense of it is the kryptonite, and this means nothing?
superman is overpowered, and has a cut on his face, and a guy is standing over him with a rock and is ready to kill him
she already knows, just like everyone else does, that superman is invulnerable to nearly everything, so its stands to reason that that green rock is the thing that harms him, when also considering that he is able to stand up and regain some of his strength after bruce throws the spear
there is no gap here
if you walked in on somebody on the ground bleeding with their hand over a small wound with someone standing over them with a smoking gun, the situation wouldn't be impenetrable to you
>>71791464
This is very wrong. She doesn't know what it is exactly, but she did at least piece together that it was bad for Supes. If she wasn't totally aware when she saw Clark at Batman's mercy, she surely understood its debilitating effects when Clark dived in to recover it and nearly drowned.
>>71791437
>>71791530
because as stated above
>it has a connection to the kryptonian ship
and
>it displays a very similar power set to superman
>>71791437
Are you retarded? Seriously, it's like you people are being intentionally obtuse:
>A. He's an alien/monster that came from the kryptonian ship
>B. Nothing else seems to be working
>C. It hurts superman
>D. She just saw Batman about to execute Superman with it
It was a last ditch move. Given these circumstances, even if it ended up being unhelpful, why would they not think/try what she did?
>>71791531
she obviously understands the effects if she notices that clark is overpowered because of it and has a gash on his face
>nothing hurts him, yet he has a gash on his face
>this guy is holding this spear with some weird rock on it
>oh hey, now that he threw it away, clark is recovering
OH GEE, I WONDER
Why do marvel-cucks act like this? I seriously have no dog in either fight and thought BvS was retarded, but seriously, THIS is the thing you retards take issue with? How is this confusing/nonsensical in the slightest? Do you really need it explained to you or think it's flawed because Lois/Superman aren't explicitly told about the spear/Doomsday?
>>71791238
Considering doomsday was matching superman for strength and shooting lazer beams, and generally developing his powers just like any other kryptonian on earth, it's pretty fucking obvious he's kryptonian in nature and might be effected by kryptonite the same as any other kryptonian.
I don't know why people find that "a leap in logic", it's just logical.
>>71791531
actually, I'm realizing that last part (the diving) happened after she threw away the spear. sounds like a weird mistake to make but I am sorta tipsy. point still stands, though.
>>71791587
>>71791603
>>71791637
MCUcks are incapable of understanding even the most basic of plot points if it's not told to them in minute detail packaged between numerous quips.
>>71791404
Batman is literally standing on superman about to stab him with said glowing rock.
It's obvious to anyone that isn't as retarded as you that green rock = bad
>>71791677
It's bad screenwriting.
>>71791658
>consolewars
fuck off,
you're not helping,
fuck off
>>71791733
Not him but this is very unconvinving. The discussion has shifted from "I don't get it" to "it's still bad". Yeah, sure.
>>71791096
>they needed the spear to kill doomsday
>see Kryptonian boyfriends almost getting killed by that spear
>a giant monster comes out from the Kryptonian ship
>maybe the spear can kill the Kryptonian monster
This isn't rocket science.
>>71791746
helping what retard?
>>71788525
BvS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Nolan trilogy
That's the correct, patrician order.
>>71789907
>I'm retarded, have ADD and nothing makes sense
ftfy
>>71791783
Why would I need to convince anyone? This script was fucking horrible and if you want to waste you're time defending it, fine. But it will always be remembered by people with knowledge of filmmaking as a complete embarrassment to the studio.
Even Jeremy Irons called it a mess.
http://www.slashfilm.com/jeremy-irons-batman-v-superman-critics/
An actor from the movie itself.
that's laughable.
>>71791815
stoking the fucking fire
we're doing our best to present solid rhetoric, and then guy (you?) come in with the indentity hits
then the "opposition" start using this shit prove a point in the usual 4chan way
if we cut it, then it becomes more clear who's who
but yeah, i get it, that shit's just too much fun
>>71788525
Opinion noted.
Ben "No ass" Affleck
>>71791899
Well you're interacting with people online so... if you don't want people just sucking your dick or ignoring your posts what do you want, exactly?
And yeah, Irons said it was a mess because the theatrical at least was pretty messy. I doubt he saw the ultimate cut either and I doubt he even cares, either. I'd love to see him interact with Michael Shannon, lol.
>>71791899
we're not even talking about the movie as a whole
and the only thing he says is that its
>overstuffed
and
>very muddled
which yeah, sure, it was stuffed, my contention being if you have the parts to make a long movie then make and release the long movie
no one is served by making a long story then cutting it too tight
>>71789342
Stop forcing your opinion no one agrees with
I'm working at a deli in an upscale supermarket over the summer before heading back to school and I just had this encounter:
>Fat, acne-ridden chcik wearing an Avengers shirt comes to the counter and orders like 5 pounds of Havarti or something
>The literally brain-damaged guy who works with us strikes up a conversation with her (he does this with just about every customer)
>"dose supah-heroes are really big huh"
>She smirks "Yeah, I'm quite a bit of a marvel nut."
>She flashes her Captain America wallet
>She starts talking about how great the Marvel™ movies are
>(not joking, not bullshitting) She literal talks about how the movies have such great dialog and memorable quips
>"And they just have perfect casting too."
>She pauses
>"...unlike those DC movies, I mean Ben Affleck as Batman, how much sense does that make? Come on!" she laughs
>I respond "About as much sense as casting a skinny British Guy as Loki or a drug-addled manlette as Tony Stark."
>She shuts up for the rest of the time while we work
Not joking. Funnily enough she started ragging on Marvel for Female nigger Ironman, female Thor, and gay Captain America.
It was also then that I realized the reason Marvel movies have so many female fans: It's basically the western equivalent of Fujoshi. The like self inserting into the stories and imagining themselves being fucked by Cap or Thor, hence why she was so offended by Cap being gay. She literally said something along the lines of "Come on! A guy that hot isn't supposed to like dudes! what a waste!"
>>71791932
What is it with new films and man ass? I swear I am seeing more and more ass in cinema lately and it's always from men.
Is Hollywood trying to push some man ass agenda or something?
>>71791932
Ben "Fuck leg day" Affleck
>>71791932
is that shopped? its like inverted
>>71792000
youre autistic but your observation about marvels appeal is correct
>>71792000
i want to believe that just for the part where you bodied her
>people make allegiances based on the most meaningless superficial shit
who'da thunk
>>71792000
The biggest thing I'm taking away from this post is how awkward things get when people become (possibly) emboldened by internet echochamber rhetoric but then are confronted in real life. It's super awkward, disarming, and people tend to not want to take the conversation into inflammatory territory as is so easy to do online. Even if she ultimately thought she was in the right after that, she was probably still super embarrassed.
>>71789659
that's quite accurate then considering she is a greek myth
I'm usually pretty lost when watching Marvel movies. They're not interesting enough for me to remember what went on in previous movies or to rewatch them, but you're required to remember most details for subsequent movies to make sense.
What happened to the good old days when you could just drop your superhero into a new movie? Why does everything have to be set up in the previous one?
>>71789894
>and visibly "strong.
I could fucking kill Gal Gadot with a single strike. What are you talking about?
Honestly I just watched BvS on dvd I don't really get the big uproar about it, it was decent. Didn't seem particularly worse than any other capeshit. Was the theatrical cut a lot different?
>>71788525
The first 10 minutes, does not a good movie make.
