Do the books cover how they had their first encounter? Was it after her marriage to Robert, or did they always have a sexual relationship? How did it start?
Were they bathing together and just one day Cersei told Jaime, "I'm going to kiss you on your pee pee like Mommy kisses Daddy"?
>>71549075
They were fooling around since before puberty and their mom caught them fucking even before Tyrion was born and was all bashful about it
>>71549234
I can see her having to have known, she had to have known. Tywin would've been oblivious but she must've found out at some point.
The thing is, did she lose her virginity before marrying Robert? Did Robert know and did he care?
Also did they ever confirm whether he had a son in the Vale around the time he was going to marry Lhianna?
>>71549265
>The thing is, did she lose her virginity before marrying Robert? Did Robert know and did he care?
Robert was drunk as fuck on their wedding night (he called her Lyanna when they were fucking) so probably didn't notice.
>>71550053
How would you be able to "notice" anyway?
>>71550474
There is something called Hymnen?
>>71550053
>he called her Lyanna when they were fucking
Man. Poor Bobby B.
>>71550053
Why did this dude have such a raging emo hardon for Lyanna anyway? He saw her like what, once?
>>71550617
thats how it worked back then. imagine waiting 18 years for your porn to download
Jaime and Cersei used to play as kids and when they entered puberty, one day that playful fooling became the actual thing. So yes, Cersei lost her virginity to Jaime in their teenage years.
Also fun fact is that Jaime has only had sex with Cersei, despite being the most handsome motherfucker in the seven Kingdoms. He's actually in love with her.
>>71550639
i did
it was the first 18 years of my life
>>71550539
almost
>>71550053
>he called her Lyanna when they were fucking
gross
>>71550617
Robert was just mad asf cause he thought rhaegar stole and killed her. Hes basically a psychopath never really loved her, hardly even knew her.
>>71550745
Yikes. No wonder Cersei got so triggered.
Didn't they send Jaime away after the maid saw them fucking? Or something like that.
Do you think Jaime is pissed with Cersei now and will go fuck Brienne in a mad fit of rage
>>71550704
but you had more than 6 village girls to look at while you waited
>>71550539
not always intact for virgins, it can be torn a variety of ways. a common one is horseback riding.
>>71550679
Jaime really is a pathetic loser
>>71550679
Are the books pretty explicit about it? I need to know
I know Jaimie said that in the show, and it makes you feel bad for him. She's a manipulator, even manipulated him to the point that he's fully devoted and in love with her, all the while she's fucking their cousin.
Supposing Khal Drogo and Rhaego had lived. Would his Khalasar have been able to take Westeros?
>>71550916
Yes. When they met again Cersei told him Tywin arranged for him to marry Lysa Arryn. But, she said that he could become a kingsguard and stay in KL with her, she fucked his brains out in some tavern and he decided to become a kingsguard the next day. Tywin got butthurt about Jaime becoming a kingsguard and took Cersei with him to Casterly Rock.
>>71551145
Best post
>>71551079
this is shitposting right? did you also believe your gf when she told you she got herpes from a toilet seat? christ it's hilarious how easy it is for women to lie to nu-males. Here's a pro-tip, women don't like to advertise that they were whores at 14 years old generally, or that daddy or some uncle molested them. If they don't have a hymen they probably aren't a virgin, unless they furiously finger fucked themselves until it busted, in which case that girl has issues anyway.
>a common one is horseback riding
I can't believe some people can really say this with a straight face.
Honestly the nastiest ones are the horse girls. If they ride horses, they've been fucked in some nasty ways since they were 13. Also they like whips. Like a really lot. They like whips.
>>71551239
Robert described it perfectly in S1. They would never take down the castles and major cities but they would utterly devestate the infadtructure and commenfolk. A strong defense would inevitably defeat the Dothraki, but how many Lords would have jumped ship before that?
>>71551312
>t. pol
>>71551312
Nice sources faggot
>>71550539
Not every woman has an intact hymen before sex or is even born with one for that matter.
>>71551566
t. cuck
>>71551470
>>71551477
>muh /pol/ boogyman, muh sources
it's called i actually have some experience with women, and am not functionally retarded. Not a very high bar, and yet you faggots managed to fall under it. I can't even think of a comparable lie men tell, because no one would believe something so fucking stupid. "oh i just don't have a hymen because i rode horses lol, promise i didn't fuck the neighbor and my brother and that dude from wal-mart that one time". Jesus you guys get your fucking shit together. Btw i'm a nigerian prince, I have a huge inheritance coming to me, i just need 20k to unlock it or something, loan me that and i will send you a million dollars.
>>71551231
The first time they had sex was right after Jaime was knighted after the fights in the king forrest.
Cersei was kept in kingslanding with her father. And she wanted Jaime near her.
So they fucked and started making sure Jaime would be a Kingsgaurd so he could be near her.
Ofc it backfired because after it happned Tywin was pissed as fuck and red Keep along with Cersei.
>>71551666
>Btw i'm a nigerian prince, I have a huge inheritance coming to me, i just need 20k to unlock it or something, loan me that and i will send you a million dollars.
Yeah well do you have a hymen?
>>71551629
>>71551666
That's weird, I also have plenty of experience with women and also possess an education.
Let's go to Google Scholar, oh look, second result:
http://www.popline.org/node/293901
Let's speed up the argument, you'll try to discredit a scholarly journal article by disputing it due to country of origin, or something related to jews.
Take a biology class you colossal retard or fuck back off to /r9k/
>>71551707
nah i'm a virgin but i rode a camel so it just went away for reasons don't think about it too much. Also i was born with a prolapsed asshole, don't question that either or think about it too much.
>>71551798
Seems legit I trust you.
>>71551312
>Some believe that differences in the appearance of a woman’s hymen should prompt the evaluation of sexual intercourse or sexual abuse. This is not the case because even when trained physicians are “evaluating” the virginity of a woman, the integrity of the hymen can be very difficult to assess. Many studies have shown that the hymen’s diameter should not be used to verify sexual abuse as the hymen’s diameter changes due to nonsexual physical activities. It is generally accepted amongst health professions that the hymen is an ineffective indicator of vaginal-penile sexual intercourse.1
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/article/hymen
>You often hear about the hymen breaking with first intercourse. It can happen, but if a woman is relaxed during intercourse and has good lubrication and she or her partner has tried to stretch the hymen with fingers, then it likely won't break. So, you can't tell if someone is a virgin if they have a hymen.
http://www.pamf.org/teen/health/femalehealth/hymen.html
>Contrary to popular belief, the hymen is not a flat piece of tissue covering the vagina, which is punctured during intercourse. If it were, girls would not be able to menstruate before they lose their virginity because there would be no outlet for menstrual blood.
Some girls are born without a hymen, others have only a scanty fringe of tissue. Moreover, for all its fabled mystery, the hymen is just a body part.
http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/health-info/what-exactly-is-a-hymen/
>The hymen often, though not always, rips or tears the first time a female engages in penetrative intercourse, which may cause some temporary bleeding and slight discomfort.[4] The hymen can also stretch or tear as a result of various other behaviors; for example, it may be lacerated by disease, injury, medical examination, masturbation or physical exercise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen
You're a misinformed idiot and should kys
>>71551758
>Further, boys should not worry about penis size, for, when erect, they all work just fine.
I'll keep reading but that was in the first fucking paragraph, jesus man. And i won't say anything about the country of origin, you already know you fucked up with that or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
>>71551695
That wasn't the first time. That was just the time Cersei convinced Jamie to join the KG. They were fooling around in Casterly Rock and when their mother found out their rooms were moved to opposite ends of the fortress.
>>71551851
I just know the /pol/r9k/ mental gymnastic routine.
>>71551828
Just curious, how many of those articles were written by women? And in those cases, the girls virginity was assessed how exactly?
"hmm, this girl says she is a virgin but her hymen is not intact. obviously the only explanation is that hymen's are a myth and the patriarchy and the horses did it"
idiot. this is a lie that has been spread by women for decades if not centuries because their worth is lowered drastically after they lose their virginity/hymen. Go look up court transcripts from a child rape case, they will put a doctor on the stand that will say with 100 percent certainty the girl was not a virgin. Strange isn't it.
This is the same as the "a girls loose vagina has nothing to do with the miles of dick she has taken" bullshit that you effeminate retards eat up. Go virtue signal and whiteknight on facebook or something, no one cares here.
>>71551079
thats the same excuse margery gives in the books when the high sparrow has her vag inspected on cerseis claims shes fucking behind tommens back, and the high sparrow admits its a possibility.
>>71552006
Seek medical help
>>71550617
It's like all spoilt rich kids being told they can't have a toy they want, even if they get offered a better one they still develop an obession over the thing they were denied.
>>71551891
yes but they were like 8 year old at the time when he first time stuck hes peepee inside her peehole
Normal ppl wouldnt call that sex
Only pedos
>>71549265
>Also did they ever confirm whether he had a son in the Vale around the time he was going to marry Lhianna?
Daughter, it's why Lyanna wasn't keen on marrying him
>>71552115
it's supremely sad how brainwashed they have the average man. what i'm saying is literally common sense, and yet you guys will eat up anything women tell you.
"i'm a virgin baby, but my hymen broke from looking at a horse, i got herpes and aids from a toilet seat, and why am i pregnant you ask? oh god probably did it, second coming of jesus?"
And you would not only believe that, you would call anyone who questioned it a man baby or a misogynist or a woman hating racist. The funny part is i just tried to come up with the most ridiculous lies i could, and it still isn't far off from what you would legit believe from a woman, and have stated you already do. Change god to "i sat on a condom one time" and i gurantee you would eat that shit up you pathetic nu-male.
>>71552006
I'D BETTER NOT READ THESE ARTICLES WHICH CONTRADICT EVERYTHING I SAID BECAUSE THEY ARE _OBVIOUSLY_ WRITTEN BY CHEATING WOMEN!!!
You are either baiting or you are 17 years old who still believes in friendzone and such.
>>71552225
You disregard scholarly articles with heresay.
I'm not arguing with you anymore. You're bordering mental illness.
>>71552006
This is possibly the dumbest shit I have ever read on /tv/
>>71552237
this is purely anecdotal, but i have taken 5 girls "virginity's" and 2 of them didn't have a hymen. Since then both of those 2 have admitted they were not actually virgins, they just didn't want to seem like sluts. So i'm inclined to believe that guy to be honest.
>>71551312
The virgin hymen is a myth especially since most girls play sports or use tampons every month.
>>71552288
Do they teach statistics where you come from? Or better question: have you been attending to high school? I'm not even asking if uni because if you can write this post down it's obvious you didn't.
>>71549075
>playing around as kids
>explore one another
>start fooling around
>get caught by their mother
>told to never do it again or else she'll tell their father
>splits them up, makes them sleep on opposite sides of the castle, gives cersei a bedmaid
>they fuck behind each others back
>eventually tywin wants to start marrying off his kids
>sends jamie to the vale to get to know Lysa
>takes Cersei with him to kings landing
>Jamie spends his entire time asking the knights of the vale how to fight and ignore Lysa completely because shes too meek 'without any of cerseis fire'
>Cersei misses jamie terribly
>meeting in a old inn with cersei dressed like a commoner, Cersei convinces Jamie to join kingsguard so that theyll both be in kings landing
>Jamie becomes kings gaurd because of this, while Aerys happily makes him one in an attempt to rob Tywin of his son and heir
>Tywin and Aerys' relationship already soured by this point
>Tywin leaves KL and takes Cersei with him, giving up being hand of the king
>Jamie stuck in kings landing doing bitch work cause aerys doesnt give a shit about him while cersei is in the west again
>much later, when jamie is taken prisoner by the starks, his sole motivation for getting back to kings landing is cersei
>Hears Joffery dies, doesnt give two shits about it
>'jeoffery meant less to him 'than a squirt of seed in cerseis cunt'
>just wants cersei back
>meanwhile in KL, cersei is fucking lancel, and fucked Osmound Kettleblack as a way to keep him on a leash and do her bidding
>doesnt love Jamie quite as much as shes bitter that she doesnt get the same respect as him
>when he finally gets home to KL, nix a hand, Cersei starts treating him like shit
>jamie still loves her dearly, willing to do anything for her
>relentlessly insults him, perhaps out of greif for losing her son and later her father
>sends jamie off to retake the riverlands
>Jamie realizes how bad of a person cersei is
>>71552259
>>71552275
>>71552289
It's a strange world where the truth sounds like insanity even on a place like this where hating women is commonplace. Anyway godspeed, it doesn't even matter anyway, you guys will believe much more insidious lies from women then this one so it doesn't matter. If the notion that girls would lie to cover up being whores sounds like a crazy idea to you, you are way too far gone.
>>71552392
>Do they teach statistics where you come from?
says the guy who doesn't know what an anecdote is.
>this is purely anecdotal
did you miss that part? because it was the first 4 words of my post
>>71552407
Not liking women is one thing, being so obsessed with it you deny actual medical science is quite another
>>71552407
>WOMEN DON'T HAVE SEX WITH ME BECAUSE I'M A BASEMENT DWELLER SO THEREFORE I HATE THEM, FUCKING SLUTS! - The movie
>>71549075
Their mother was Tywins cousin.
Joanna Lannister is Tywin lannisters cousin. They never talk about that in the show because show watchers arent smart enough. Case in point this OP.
>>71552404
>they fuck behind each others back
sorry i meant
>they fuck behind their parents back
>Jamie, having heard from tyrion that cersei has been fucking 'Lancel, and osmund kettleblack, and even moonboy for all i know', starts questioning his relationship with her
>at first he thinks what tyrion said was just a way for him to get his anger out, but on his way to the riverlands he speaks with lancel who is starting to become religious
>lancel admits fucking cersei
>Jamie can no longer deny what tyrion told him
>hates his white cloak, regrets some of his life choices
>meets a woman who calls herself queen of the whores
>says to himself 'my sister has that honor'
>his feelings for cersei are finally revealed when cersei sends a letter to him via qyburn asking for him to come help her get out of this whole high sparrow bind
>Jamie reads the letter impassivley and has the maester burn it without a reply
and thats their relationship in a nutshell
>>71552441
>The guy before me says that hymen can only break by penetration even though many people have posted evidence to the contrary
>He says women just lie to everyone and the writer of these articles are all liar women
>I have an anecdote in which I dated 5 women in my life
>2 of them lied to my about their hymen
>So I inclined to believe the guy before me who says all women are lying sluts
So I guess the answer to my question is no they don't teach you?
>>71552115
>>71552237
>>71552275
Guys, you know perfectly well this isn't leading anywhere. The guy was doing a crazy yelling hobo impersonation long before you confronted him with facts. He's still doing it now. Just give up, you aren't talking to someone who has a rational conclusion of a discussion in mind.
>>71552447
>>71552469
I'll leave you guys with one last thing, so we can stop derailing the thread and get back on the incest GoT topic. This is the absolute truth, whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you. When i was 16 i lose my virginity to a girl i was dating named leah, also a virgin. Her family had a farm and she rode horses since she was like 5 years old, even went to competitions and all that. She played all kinds of sports, she masterbated( i know because she let me watch once or twice before we had sex) and iirc she even used tampons. Her hymen was very much there when we had sex. I even had a conversation one time where she said she lol'ed when she was in health class and they brought up some of the bullshit one of you posted ITT about hymen "myths". But believe what you want fellas, it doesn't matter since i'm sure any of us would fuck a qt whether she's lying about being a virgin or not.
>>71549075
Targaryens are genetically attracted to one another to preserve dragon rider and dragon hatcher genes.
It's nothing but a family trait of attraction. Roll with it or be that faggot who claims tryion is a raging targ whilst the twins are cool, collected, head strong children like tywin.
The twins are fiery passion incarnate.
>>71552617
>this is absolute truth
>an anectode
I don't think you know how science works.
>>71551251
Thank god he became kingsguard
>>71552512
>
Why I say Joanna has targ ancestry. Tywin was after dragon x gene at least the possibility of it. He wasn't protected by magic genes and sired a dwarf when the realms most conservative man decided to fuck his first cousin.
>>71552617
Thanks for posting your degree in gynecology
>>71552736
Tywin had disdain for Targaryens and Tywin only loves his own family name. I dont believe that to be true.
>>71552617
So your proof is an anecdote? Really? Your dumb whore girlfriend is not representative of the other billions of women on the planet. It says clearly in the articles it's different for everyone you mong
>>71552765
>Tywin had disdain for Targaryens
Only after his wedding
>>71551312
>unless they furiously finger fucked themselves until it busted, in which case that girl has issues anyway
Why? As if you didn't fap like crazy when you were 14. Believe it or not, girls actually masturbate as well.
>>71552590
what the hell is going on in this thread? unless i missed something all that anon(or anon's?) said was that sometimes women lie about being virgin's. Why are you faggots whiteknighting so hard.
>>71552222
Very nice
>>71552844
well i'm no pussy expert, big surprise right, but doesn't it hurt when girls break that? I stop jerking it if it hurts(and it's happened).
>>71552921
No, he said that a damaged hymen or the lack of a hymen is 100% proof of the lack of virginity.
>>71552765
His disdain came later on in life. Aerys was his best friend until the complications that arose with the denial of cercei being wed to rhaegar and the joanna lannister triangle.
>>71553002
>doesn't it hurt when girls break that?
Life is not a eroge, that shit varies from person to person
>>71553014
>If they don't have a hymen they probably aren't a virgin
I tried to stay away but i can't ignore this. This is from my first post that started everything. I said probably. There's literally no way to test my theory unless we hook up a bunch of women who claim to be virgins without a hymen to a lie detector test(also unreliable) which would never happen. Surely you agree some women lie about being virgins right? Well my opinion is that most women that do not have hymens are not virgins, even if they say otherwise. Just to clear that up. I really hope this was a misunderstanding and however many of you were arguing otherwise aren't just retarded.
>>71553002
It can, but even if it does, it's only a very short spark of pain. And as someone said before, the hymen can tear pretty easily from other stuff like sports. When you are a 14-year-old girl and experimenting with your body, it's probably not going to be the reason for you to stop.
Oh great, it's another '4chan demonstrates their complete and total lack of knowledge about female sexual organs' thread
So this is the power of American sexual education............
>>71553212
>Well my opinion is that most women that do not have hymens are not virgins
Considering the converse is obviously true and that most women aren't virgins: fucking obviously.
>>71553212
Sure I agree about that, but at the point I entered the conversation it was a few guys going at you over the fact that it's *possible* for a woman without a hymen to be a virgin, and you bemoaning what cucks they are for believing so.
>>71553332
Yeah sorry we're not sheep fuckers here.
>>71553212
>most women that do not have hymens are not virgins
I don't think anyone here said differently
>>71553408
Well then at some point we lost track of what we were arguing about then, and i'll freely admit it might have been my fault, too lazy to go over the whole thread to find out. Is it possible to be born without a hymen? Sure babies are born without brains and arms and shit. Is it possible to lose your hymen from things besides sex? Obviously, just one example a dragon dildo would do the job pretty easily i imagine.
My stance is that if you have sex with a girl, she says she is a virgin, and she doesn't have a hymen, she is most likely lying. I think shit like, "it was from riding a horse" is bullshit, because even though my example was an anecdote, 11 years of constantly riding horses would surely have done the job on my ex if it was possible, right? Maybe not, but seems like solid evidence in my opinion. Again, it's a matter of degree, and I think even scientific studies are going to be flawed because they ultimately have to rely on the girls word that they are a virgin. And again, it's useless information because even if you prefer a girl to be a virgin, there's no way to prove it either way(which has been established in this thread). I would just personally think she was probably lying if it wasn't there.
>>71553569
>11 years of constantly riding horses would surely have done the job on my ex if it was possible, right?
Maybe she didn't ride the right part of a horse.
>>71553569
>Is it possible to be born without a hymen?
I dunno, probably.
>Obviously, just one example a dragon dildo would do the job pretty easily i imagine.
Bad example, since it's widely acknowledged by professionals to be possible without directly touching the vagina at all.
>My stance is that if you have sex with a girl, she says she is a virgin, and she doesn't have a hymen, she is most likely lying.
This stance is what's probably irking people so much. You have no proof, and yet you still distrust enough to say that she's *probably* lying. You're either paranoid, ignorant, or bigoted in some fashion or combination.
>because even though my example was an anecdote, 11 years of constantly riding horses would surely have done the job on my ex if it was possible, right?
No, see, that's why anecdotes don't work. Just because it didn't happen to her it doesn't mean it can't happen for someone else. Even if it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to happen to her, that still doesn't mean it can't happen to someone else. Not all hymens were created equal. Some are thin and fragile, some are thick and resilient. Some even don't have a hole in them originally, requiring a doctor to make one before complications happen.
>>71553569
>they ultimately have to rely on the girls word that they are a virgin
There are other ways to tell, you know that right?
>>71553569
>My stance is that if you have sex with a girl, she says she is a virgin, and she doesn't have a hymen, she is most likely lying.
Maybe not. My gf was still a virgin when I met her because she only let guys do anal.
>caring about virginity to begin with
Go to bed Ahmed
>>71553780
>You have no proof, and yet you still distrust enough to say that she's *probably* lying. You're either paranoid, ignorant, or bigoted in some fashion or combination.
it's called using common sense my tumblr friend. as i said before, there is no way for anyone to know how many girls are lying about being virgins, no study that would actually determine that could be ethically done, and so will not be done. So we are left with using our best judgement, i have mine, and you have whatever tumblr told you to think. If i tell you I have a 14 inch dick, do you believe me? No? Why not? Did you use common sense there, or is it because it's impossible?
Oh and by the way, unless you are just shitposting on the sly, what gave you away was the word "bigoted". Go back to your safe space and get some rest.
>>71553945
No, using common sense would be when you acknowledge that you aren't using good criteria for finding out about something. Not when you use criteria you know perfectly well are unreliable and drawing strong conclusions from them.
>>71553988
Are you going to sit here with a straight face and tell me girls don't commonly lie about their sex life? How many partners etc? Do you seriously need a fucking peer reviewed study to know this?
Jesus man get out more, even most women will freely admit this happens all the time. I can't remember what movie this was from, but if someone remembers it watch it with some female friend or family and see what they say. The line goes, "whatever number(of partners) men say divide it by 3 to get the truth, for women times it by 3 to get the real number". Girls watching that with you will laugh at this, because they know it's very close to the truth.
>>71550745
MY EYES
>>71554118
>Are you going to sit here with a straight face and tell me girls don't commonly lie about their sex life?
Where did you see anything resembling that in the post you responded to?
Are you trying to prove that you really are paranoid like I speculated before?
>>71550745
>This is a 10/10 in the North
>>71553988
also, if a girl tells you she lost her virginity from riding a horse and alarm bells don't go off, your bullshit meter is very badly broken. All the people ITT saying shit like hymens break from telepathy or whatever, seriously, your bullshit meters are broken, or are being badly affected by your dicks.
>>71554198
>All hymens have the same elasticity and width
You're right, it's all a feminist conspiracy made by the medical fraternity!
>>71554198
No, people are saying that a hymen breaking doesn't mean a lost virginity.
You literally saying
>tells you she lost her virginity from riding a horse
instead of
>her hymen broke from riding a horse
shows very clearly that you still don't even know what the fuck we're talking about here.
Anon, try to read for a change before spouting unrelated bullshit.
>>71554278
I literally never argued that a broken hymen absolutely means lost virginity. I even clarified this a few posts up, the hell is wrong with you. I am simply saying it most likely does mean that. Same as it's possible to get genital herpes from something other then sex, but if i'm dating a girl and she gets it, i'm not buying it. She probably cheated on me. Common sense man. How is this not getting across? How much more clear can i make it?
>>71554413
>I literally never argued that a broken hymen absolutely means lost virginity.
>if a girl tells you she lost her virginity from riding a horse
Stop bullshitting.
>I am simply saying it most likely does mean that.
So we're back to this? Paranoia or stupidity, which is it?
>Same as it's possible to get genital herpes from something other then sex
That's a LOT less likely, actually. Even though it's still possible as you say.
>How is this not getting across? How much more clear can i make it?
You can't. I understand what you're saying, and have for a long time now. I'm not confused about what you're trying to say, I just disagree with it.
>>71554498
>I'm not confused about what you're trying to say, I just disagree with it.
Alright then. Since neither of us can prove it either way, as i'm sure you will agree it is a matter of degree(some women lie about it, but how many is in question) i think we can leave it there. Agree to disagree.
>>71551239
Depends on when he landed but almost certainly not. Jorah says this outright in the first book. They'd need to find a lot of other help or rely on some other houses rising, which would be really unlikely (Dorne being the only one that was a good shot).
>>71551707
>>71550745
>THIS is a Rhaegar's queen of """""""beauty"""""""
>>71554596
I agree that it's a matter of degree, that was never in question.
I think our difference in opinion can be summed up with something like this, the way I see it:
You think a broken hymen is 90% proof that she isn't a virgin despite what she's saying.
I think a broken hymen is irrelevant in trying to find out if she's a virgin. If I really cared about it, then I'd try to figure it out in different ways. Not that I can imagine caring enough for that.
>>71554606
Dorne, Darry, maybe the Tyrells if Renly died and they didn't marry Madge to Joffrey
>>71554658
yup i agree with you, that is pretty much what i think. although i am in my 20's now so it's irrelevant to me, because i'm not likely to meet any virgins anyway, real or claimed to be.
>>71551368
Also by that timing they would be attacking Westeros not yet torn by the devastating wars. By the S6 there probaly like 1/3 of the fighting populace is dead, stockpiles exsausted etc.
I wonder how many sibling relationships will get weird thanks to Cersei and Jaime putting ideas into people's heads.
this is probably the worst GoT thread this week, and that's impressive
>>71552288
>I've never had sex but I want to seem cool on the internet
ITT: triggered tumblrinas and cucks try to defend the fact that women are lying whores
>>71555140
>/r9k/ clicks on the wrong board
>>71555140
Women lie just as much as men, anon :^)
>>71555006
It's fine as long as they love each other and use a condom :^)
>>71555140
>I have no real opinions of my own so I'll just use buzzwords and hope I can muster the courage to finally kill myself
>>71555140
Do you think your parents regret having you?
>>71552006
lol this is the kind of faggot who falls in love with a fat chick with a loose vagina
cool mental illness brah
>>71555202
How common do you think incest is really, how fucked would your family relationships have to be to think, yeah fucking my sister is a OK?
>>71555140
This is fucking pathetic
>>71549075
I was waiting in a hostel in Germany for a taxi and just happened to be seated next to a sleeping GRR Martin. He had a copy of "Lose 20 pounds in 20 hours" resting on his chest. Anyway, after a few minutes he started mumbling in his dream-state about Tyrion being the spawn of Jamie and his mother and then seemed to be arguing with his publicist over whether or not that bombshell would get him sanctioned by his readers, etc. He then woke up out of his slumber and attempted to eat his book like a sandwich. My taxi arrived, otherwise I would have stuck around for the finale.
>>71555296
I don't have any siblings and didn't grow up near any cousins or anyone else close to my age in my family, so I get neither the appeal nor the disgust of incest. That's why it's easy for me to not take seriously.
>>71553945
by your own logic, everything you posted is just fanciful made up bullshit to try desperately not to lose face after your argument was BTFO with facts. I find it much more likely that you're a lying bitter virgin than the entire medical community is lying.
>>71554118
>girls lie to him
>they smell his weakness and fear
lol sucks to be you
>>71555423
>i don't get the disgust of incest
Cool autism bro
>>71555540
You can't get it unless you have an example of someone you'd do it with and get disgusted by that thought. Everything else is you just acting like a sheep and agreeing with general opinion.
>>71555592
Everyone agrees that incest in bad.
>You're just a sheep bro!
Jesus christ
>>71555651
>everyone
Um, no. If everyone agreed on that, then it would never happen and we wouldn't be having this conversation because it would never occur to us.
>>71555178
>>71555202
>>71555212
>>71555247
>>71555327
funny things is that the females that post things like this are the same sluts that I get to fuck every saturday in the clubs. Vapid and hypocrites slaves of their desires.
Sucks to be you, because you're nothing but a tool for me.
>>71555700
>he posts while proudly proclaiming how he's a slave to his own desire
>>71555700
Watch yourself on that edge kiddo
>>71550539
Virgin detected
>>71555693
In that case guess you are going to have fun fucking your mother since incest isn't universally disagreed with
>>71552183
Yes but still, you're looking for evidence on their first encounter. There you have it. They were fooling around getting hot and heavy as little kids, because obviously Cersei knew a lot more about her body than Jamie did. Cersei insists that they were always in love, that when they were born Jamie came into the world with her foot in his mouth or something to that effect.
The truest earliest encounter would be when they were kids at the Rock and their mom or a septa found out and it got back to Tywin, who had them moved to other sides of the Rock. Cersei threatened hunger strikes and to throw herself from a window.
>>71555700
>Psh, nothing personal...
>>71555804
Are you alright? Do you have brain damage?
>>71550617
He built up an imaginary version of her over the years. At one point in A Game of Thrones, he bitching about Cersei and how Lyanna would've done as she was told. Ned thinks to himself that Lyanna was exactly the opposite.
Basically, Robert the womanizer never got a chance to fuck the girl he was betrothed to, so she's now an image of perfection he compares all other women to. It's not about Lyanna so much as it is Robert's personality.
>>71551368
You're half right. They could hold the castles forever, but those castles only hold so much food, and if there's no way to resupply because the countryside is flooded with dothraki who either have control of it, or who have destroyed it's ability to produce food, eventually your supplies run out and the siege ends in surrender or mass suicide or whatever.
>>71552222
Don't mind me
>>71555818
>Cersei insists that they were always in love, that when they were born Jamie came into the world with her foot in his mouth or something to that effect.
In some parts of Southeast Asia, folk mythology has it that fraternal twin brother and sister pairs will have sex in the womb.
A bit disappointed that Jamie would be a in-utero foot fetishist, though.
>>71552006
You are literally just believing whatever you want and then acting all superior for doing so
breaking a hymen doesn't even feel good guys it's just psychological because you're still a slave to your primitive brain and baser instincts
>>71552535
Thanks for the dump
Didn't think I could dislike Cersei any more but the ride never ends
>>71556021
there's nothing superior about seeing a painfully obvious truth. I might as well brag about noticing that plants need water or that humans need oxygen to breathe.
Women lie, a lot, especially about their previous sex life. Wow what a fucking revelation. The fact that you think this is some made up thing says a lot about you though.
>>71552617
>guys let me have the last word so we can move on from this argument
>>71555929
I mean I agree sorta with this interpretation but on the other hand we have Ned's thoughts remembering "i loved lyanna more than anything (or something) AND ROBERT LOVED HER EVEN MORE"
Why would he think that to himself if Robert didn't at least have a decent amount of experience with lyanna?
>>71553787
>Virgin
>did butt stuff
I though this was a meme
>>71556261
t. roastie
>>71556379
>her hymen was broken from anal sex
And you talk about memes
>>71556187
Not saying women don't lie, I'm talking about YOU here, I'm no expert on hymens, never been with a Virgin girl
There are researchers have made it their life's work to study human sexual development and they all agree that hymens break all the time for non sexual reasons, and every girls hymen is a little different, some can even have sex without it breaking
You vehemently disagree with these people who have more experience and more rigorous research techniques than you is to call the whole thing some kind of female conspiracy, not because of any research you've personally done, nor of any fault you've found when you analyzed their research methods and conclusions, but purely because their findings contradict the narrative in your head that all women are lying sluts (which by they way, isn't actually contradicted by these findings, feel free to continue to mistrust all the women In Your life)
>>71550745
she looks like Kelly C with brown hair
>>71551566
That doesn't even make 1% of the women with hymens. Quit trying to find excuses for whores please
>>71556429
I don't care about the argument
I just hate when people do that
>>71556505
>he thinks a girl is more "pure" because you fuck her where she shits instead
>>71556354
I'm not sure. We know that Lyanna wasn't crazy about Robert, and that during their betrothal he continued to sleep around. All signs, IMO, point to Robert not being in love with Lyanna until after she was "kidnapped".
I feel like I have to reread Ned's chapters though since it's been a number of years and I may be misremembering.
>Game of Thrones thread
>Devolves into faggots arguing for and against hymens and women lying about virginity
Never change /tv/, you guys never fail to give me a good laugh.
>>71556429
>unironically using /r9k/ lingo
wew
>>71550745
>rhegar my son...
>>71550053
robert is so fucking based lmao. post more cool shit from the books about based bobby b
>>71554697
Book Tyrells are way too arrogant and way too much of elitists to ally with dothraki screamers.
>>71556692
you don't know what you have until you lose it
This is a current theme even in the show
>when I was a boy I sat over there
>"You were lucky Jon Snow, for you had a place to call home"
>"When I was a girl I sat here all the time, thinking about what I wanted. I never realized I should be happy for what I had. I was a stupid girl" - Sansa
>>71551312
>>71551828
BTFO
TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT ANON.
>>71557782
baby trust me, we believe you that you lost your virginity to your horse, no need to convince us
>>71549265
>did she lose her virginity before marrying Robert? Did Robert know and did he care?
Yeah, she and Jaime took each other's virginity when they were 15. It's how she convinced him to join the kingsguard.
And Robert was a drunk dumbass. Jaime and Cersei even fucked on Robert's bed while he was asleep right next to them.
>>71550539
Most highborn girls lost their hymens during horseback riding. It's even mentioned in the book somewhere.
>>71551566
>people caring about hymens
the ass is all that matters, and unlike vaginal virginity you KNOW when you're the first in there
>>71550053
>Robert was drunk as fuck on their wedding night (he called her Lyanna when they were fucking) so probably didn't notice.
Actually, that is only in the show, in the book, Robert was passed out on the floor next to the wedding bed while Cersei and Jaime fucked.
>>71559607
you are pretty stupid
>>71559751
>hes never taken a girl's anal virginity
kej
>>71559868
you know you are retarded, i don't even have to explain why, because either you are an autist virgin and you know damn well you don't know what you are talking about, or you butt fuck women like you claim, and you know exactly why i'm calling you out.
stfu
>tfw dick so big it literally doesn't matter if she's a virgin or not because even out of 20 guys I'll be the larger she'll ever get
>>71560107
>completely missing the point of why virgins are better
nice job, bragging on the internet and being an idiot at the same time in 1 sentence.
>>71560222
Virgins stop being better once you stop being a teenaged child.
>>71560222
Trips are wasted on such a salty post.
Why are virgins better exactly?
Did you enjoy knowing nothing about sex?
Experimented partners are the best way to get good sex.
Only insecure cucks and religiousfags care about virginity.
>>71560279
I don't necessarily disagree with you but some people prefer to teach a virgin girl to be good at sex rather than find one who is already good
Also some girls have a lot of sex but never learn how to be good at it, like my last girlfriend
>>71560279
even if you forget about the std's(virgins don't have those, remember?) do you seriously enjoy putting your dick where 60 other dicks have been? Do you want to suck the cum out of her pussy too? I know cuck gets thrown around here a lot but damn dude, pathetic. I know finding a virgin girl as an adult is unrealistic but the fact you don't see the appeal says a lot about you. I foresee you making sad posts on /b/ in a year or two about how your girlfriend cucked you at your own request and you regret it, then you get made fun of by edgy teenagers. this is the life you chose
>>71560354
>some people prefer to teach a virgin girl to be good at sex rather than find one who is already good
Sounds like a waste of time and a pretty hypocritical view on sexuality desu senpai
If you can have all the sex you want why can't a woman?
On what scientific ground can you say she's been sullied by having sex before knowing you? (/pol/ .jpg don't count as arguments)
Sounds like a shitty way to consider your partner as an equal if you want to ever build an healthy relationship.
lmao you probably hate muslims and yet your vision of women and sexuality is as backwards as theirs.
>>71560519
>having sex means getting STDs
>I can't put my penis inside a vagina without thinking about penises
>a used vagina is filled with cum and less worthy of your tiny dick
>having such a warped view of reality
Enjoy your third-world schizophrenia and bitter loneliness lmao
>>71560535
I actually always assume it's muslims when a conversation about hymens and virginity happens
>>71560700
holy shit you are literally a cuck. i wish i could say i feel sorry for you but i don't, you will get the fate you deserve
>>71553002
>I stop jerking it if it hurts
>(and it's happened).
Same here, m8. First time I did meth I stayed up for 8 hours furiously fapping to the Women's Wear section of my mother's Sears catalog. For 8 hours, I flogged my molly with reckless abandon & never even achieved climax.
Now I'm homeless, my dick looks like a wad of ground beef & I'm posting this reply from an internet-enabled Little Ceasar's pizza box from the local library's wifi.
Meth. Not even once.
any stories?
>>71550053
>(he called her Lyanna when they were fucking)
Jesus Christ. He deserved to be killed.
>>71561688
Anon please be careful.
>>71551312
>all this hymen talk
I've broken 3 hymens personally. 2 were the first time the girl had sex, the third one was actually the second time she had sex (had fucked a different guy before).
The very first time I had sex (at 15) I didn't break my girlfriend's hymen, but we also weren't having very vigorous sex.
Basically it doesn't always break on the first time.
>>71550745
>promise me Ned fags btfo
>>71549075
It started very early because when Cersei was 14 she murdered a girl who had a crush on Jaime.
>>71562357
kinda proves the point though doesn't it? i'll forgo making any small dick jokes, and just say that if even sex doesn't always break that thing, if it's broken she probably stuffed something up there. whether it was a dick, a fake dick, or her fist, something probably went in there before you.
>>71562179
>get cucked out of your northerner girl
>find a southern girl
>get cucked again
Don't bully bob.
>>71562233
I try
>I broke my hymen horseback riding
>me and that black guy are just friends
>he came over while you were on a business trip to fix the plumbing
>trust me honey :)
>>71561046
kek your argument and saltiness is almost as ridiculous as your chance at being happy in life
stay mad
>>71550745
she looks fine they made hur up with a gross complexion in this scene because get what? She's DYING from blood loss after squeezing out an infant.
>>71554632
>been through hours of labour
>her vagina is literally being ripped open to 10 times its size
>she died so it was clearly a really bad labour
>expecting her to be beautiful looking
dumbass.
>>71551145
Sibling incest is hot desu
>>71551312
>that tidf reply feel
>>71549075
Wasn't Cersi obessed with Rhaegar? Was she hooking up with Jaime before that?
>>71550474
Am a virgin but she would have had a hymen.
>>71550745
bad casting. Lyanna should've been more like this
>>71562834
kek this so much. so many pathetic guys in this thread
>>71555700
teach me your alpha ways of picking women, anon. :^)
lmao'ing at all you virgins talkin bout sex holy shit.
only been with 4 women and currently engaged to a cutie who lost her virginity to me.
feels good not being a cuck.
ITT permavirgin neets lying about taking virginities. I wish you guys go back to /pol//r9k/
>>71568407
I fucked your fiance, she's pregnant with my kid.
t. jamal
>>71560107
this has to be a nigger.
>>71550745
>prometa-me Naddario
>>71549075
The books said they were fucking around since like ten years old, their mom caught them and they were punished, after that they always did it in secret like up in abandoned towers and shit.
>>71549234
>They were fooling around since before puberty
Doesn't mean shit. Me and my brother did all kinds of fooling around when we were in puberty.
>>71566490
Yes. She had to lie about a drawing she made of her and Rhaegar on a dragon together when Jaime found it.
>>71566490
Why was Cersei so into Rhaegar to begin with? Jaime's bigger, stronger, taller, and a better warrior. Was Rhaegar like a 10.5/10 while Jaime was just a 10 or something?
>>71557069
barristan thinks bobby was pretty based.
>>71571009
Yeah, all women in Westros I think were infatuated with Rhaegar.
>>71552404
What was the mother like of Jaime and Cersi?
>>71550539
That thing is so fragile it normally breaks during childhood only retards believe otherwise
