Had a good discussion last night with the Rome vs Westeros thread. Let's keep it going.
Mordor and Isengard have magically appeared in Westeros and seek to rule this world.
Westeros in Season 1 vs Sauron and Surumon's forced seen in TlotR trilogy.What about Westeros in the current season?Sauron does not have the one ring
>>71127524
FOR FRODO
>>71127524
Everyone in Westeros is extremely fucking incompetent so Sauron wins.
Assuming they have Nazguls and felbeasts neither White Walkers nor Dragons can even touch them.
>Rome vs Westeros
>not Belisarius expedition vs Westeros
>>71128022
>neither White Walkers nor Dragons can even touch them.
Not so sure about that m8
Wouldn't even be a contest if not for the dragons.
>>71128809
A big bad like Mordor would unify Westeros
Finding a fantasy universe that Westeros can beat is actually some what hard.
>>71127524
Link to the Rome vs Westeros thread?
>>71128975
Explain?
>>71128809
Unlike Middle-Earth's dragons which are cunning and have their own agendas like sitting on gold for no reason or trolling a brother and sister to fuck each other for shit and giggles, dragons are just bigger fel beasts. If he wanted he would probably control them seeing how much destructive capabilities they have.
>>71127524
How is Westeros for magic? Because with the 'god' Sauron, the Witch King, and Saruman, Mordor has some ultra-level magic at its disposal. Not to mention the fearful power of the Nazgul, and whatever other demonic spirits at his disposal.
Oh, and Mumaks!>>71128809
>>71129063
Even at this point in the books Westeros is pretty much just a run-of-the-mill medieval society. The most powerful weapon they have access to is probably wildfire.
How would a unified westeros army including the white walkers fare against Sauron's army minus sauron and led by the witch king?
Sauron will probably go full Mordor again, probably base himself in old Valyria where volcanoes are, inject his magic and evil into the land, making the cursed place even more cursed and foreboding, reactivating volcanoes and shit, and sway all the eastern lands to his will because of his manipulativeness and promises of riches and power, also fear. Dothraki, the Slaver's Bay, probably even Quarth.
>>71129191
>and led by the witch king?
They would get their shit kicked in bad.
Since the Witch king is the actual brains behind everything related to Mordor and the one that destroyed the kingdom of Arnor and turned Minas Ithil into Minas Morgul.
I mean, this guy would not only destroy nations but also summon wraiths and spooky ghosts to make sure no future generation would be able to inhabit them.
If Sauron never managed to corrupt him then Mordor would have fallen a long time ago since he is that bad as a military commander.
>forgetting Saruman
So, where will Saruman be based? Assuming both he and Sauron still has the palantir?
>Saruman in the west; Sauron in the east
>King's Landing in the middle of it all
>>71129191
Biggest headache for Sauron is the White Walker's ability to raise the dead. It apparently raises animals like horses too.
>yfw Sauron replicates the ritual by the Children of the Forest, creating his own White Walkers loyal to him
>>71129542
>Saruman corrupts the King like he did Theoden
>he can now systematically destroy Westeros from the inside out
Also, Varys network of spies would be nothing compared to Sarumans, especially when they use fucking ravens to relay messages to eachother.
>>71129617
Saruman then visits Oldtown and with his power of speech sways the Maesters to his side, allowing him to learn the magic of Westeros
>>71129447
Never thought of the Barrow Downs as being just the Witch King's 'salted earth' policy. That's hilarious, anon! Thank you for that.
The Witch King is pretty bad-assed. After he had turned the City of the Moon into the City of Black Sorcery, he sent heralds to the King of Gondor, challenging his supposed rulership of the realm. This got the Gondorian King soo pissed that he road to Minas Morgul to accept the challenge.
And so ended the last King of Gondor until Elessar.
Witch-King (book one) can only be killed by a special blade, right? I doubt anyone in Westeros has that, anyone who is up against the Witch-King is pretty much fucked no matter how skilled they are.
>>71129591
>Biggest headache for Sauron is the White Walker's ability to raise the dead. It apparently raises animals like horses too.
Sauron will take control over them since Sauron are demigod-necromancer.
>>71129897
>the show literally took away White Walker's advantage by making them out as just transformed ice people instead of supernatural ice elves
After all the armies were destroyed, it would all come down to CIA vs Tom Bombadil and they'd be evenly matched because they both use meme magic - the most powerful kind. They're basically the same character in that sense.
>>71129784
You could hand-wave that, though - any sort of holy item ought to do the trick; and don't forget running water, sunlight, and strong faith. Plus, if you hold that he's fated to die by a woman's hand, then he's got at least some worrying to do...
Even without magic. Mordor have better heavy and light cavalry, better infantry and shitton of orcs, uruks and olags.
>>71130009
And all this useless without arnorian sword.
>>71129997
And they double-team Goldberry, thus birthing a new and more powerful magical realm...
>>71129997
>Eärendil shows up through some dimensional space-time rift
>him and CIA proceed to crash his flying ship into the armies of Mordor and Westeros with no survivors
>>71130069
What Arnorian sword? Are you talking about Merry's Numenorean shortsword? That didn't kill the Witch King - it only wounded him; and it only did that because, in Middle Earth terms, it was a 'holy' weapon.
The Witch King was killed with a Rohirrim blade wielded by an avenging shield-maiden. Right in his face.
>yfw Sauron will willingly enthrall himself to a king/queen and slowly corrupt him to do this bidding
Too bad he doesn't have his fair form anymore, but if he plays his cards right, he could always style himself as the Lord of Light and make use of their priest's glamour magic.
Pretty much one of Sauron's greatest strengths is that he can wait a really long ass time.
>>71130191
>That didn't kill the Witch King
It's disabled his defense adn made him vulnerable.
>>71129447
The witch kings a literal dick. I forgot all the shenanigans he pulled
>>71130260
Oh, absolutely yes. Because it was 'holy' - thus, if Westeros has any 'good' 'holy' items, they ought to have the same effect.
>>71130544
> if Westeros has any 'good' 'holy' items, they ought to have the same effect.
But there is no something "Holy" in liberal setting and none who could bear the weapon.
Better question
The Dark Portal opens at the Southern Tip of Dorne just prior to the events of Season 1 and the Horde led by Gul'Dan enters Westeros. The majority of orcs are corrupted by Mannoroth's blood. Key commanders on the Horde side are Gul'dan, Ner'zul (mostly under Gul'dan control but secretly trying to sabotage his plans), Garona, Grom Hellscream, Cho'Gall, Blackhand, Doomhammer, Kilrogg Deadeye, and Kargath Bladefist and their forces are roughly 5000 orcs, a few hundred direwolves, 500 ogres, and about 100 warlocks of varying power. Gul'dan will try to corrupt Westeros humans as he goes north with his ultimate goal being the corruption of the giants, children of the forest, and the others in the north to serve the legion. Gul'dan has been provided minimal information about the world by Kil'Jaden
How does it go down
The witch king literally burnt middle-earth to the ground and conquered all of it
>>71130626
They manage to push all the way up north to the neck before starting to run out of soldiers andGul'dan, Cho'gall and the warlocks end up as raped and brutalized corpses after Doomhammer has had enough of their shenanigans and then makes an alliance with the Kelly C and her Dothraki.
>>71130630
...and then there's the god-damned Second Age...when Sauron's armies did very bad things...
>>71130697
>Doomhammer vs Robert hammer to hammer combat
>Ramsay trying to twenty goodmen Gul'dan and the shadow council and ending up being raped to death by Garona/a succubus
>Kilrogg and Cho'gall fucking up their raid on King's Landing which somehow ends with the entire city being destroyed by wildfire
>Garona and Jaime bonding
Could actually be a neat concept to be honest
>>71128022
Dragonfire can destroy the rings, so the Nazgul would actually be fucked. Also they're weak to fire to begin with.
>>71127750
Why does the guy stay with the horse?
>>71130901
>Dragonfire can destroy the rings
Nope, only powerful as Ancalagon was
>>71130901
Interesting - but, the Nazgul don't bear their rings anymore: Sauron's got 'em. But you're right on the fire.
>>71130969
Really? That's actually pretty smart. Kudos, Tolkien.
>>71129703
Didn't the witchking challenge the king of gondor every year for something like 50 years before the king finally got fed up? What a troll!
>>71130968
That thing is such bullshit, fuck you Morgoth.
>>71130968
doesn't have to be ancy, 4 of the 7 dwarf rings were lost to dragon fire well into the 3rd age
however, these are ME dragons that differ quite from the ones in asoiaf
>>71129997
>CIA goes up to Barad-Dur to talk to Sauron
>If I topple this tower, would you die?
>It would be extremely painful
>You're a big eye
>>71131055
too bad he went out like a bitch
>>71131173
Eagles bitch, how do they work?
>>71130968
>>71130901
“It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring ..."
>>71131055
Feanorian kek.
>>71131161
>For Little Finger
tell me about sauron, why does he wear the ring?
>>71130929
Squires typically don't fight, they're like camp whores/medics/clergy.
>>71131228
This still doesn't solve whether the dragons from Westeros could do it though.
>>71130626
Westeros gets raped HARD.
>>71131228
Thank you, Gandalf.
Speaking of: I imagine he'd show up to help the free folk of Westeros fight the ancient evil.
>>71131173
Boats and Eagles turned to magic missiles.
>>71131274
makes him feel stronk.
>>71131291
If a dragon the size of a mountain can't do it, I doubt the house-sized dragons of Westeros can. I think Gandalf's point was that the One Ring simply cant be destroyed by fire at all, no matter how powerful it is.
>>71131343
But who would listen to him?
>>71131343
More likely he will look at this whorehouse and say "no, fuck it"
>>71131384
Anon, I think you missed the point. Gandalf said not even Ancalagon could harm The One Ring. The Nazgul had very different rings though. As it was said before, the Dwarves lost some of their rings to dragons.
Of course this whole point is moot considering the fact that they didn't carry the rings on their person.
>>71129997
Durin's Bane?
>>71131433
>Well congratulations, you managed to get stopped by a wizard. What's the next step of your master plan?
>Crashing this bridge
>>71131364
if i melt that ring, would he die?
>>71131456
Balrog: "No! This can't be happening! I'm in charge here!"
>>71131432
the nazgul didnt carried their rings, and the only way to permanently kill them its distroying the one ring and only mount of doom lava could do the work
>>71131432
I was talking about the One Ring the whole time. I didn't realize people were talking about the nine nazgul rings. I get it now though.
>>71129120
Implying you wouldn't troll brother sister incest at least once if you were effectively a demigod
>>71131466
No, but it would be extremely painful.
>>71127524
The Empire have now discovered the planet Westeros resides on and seeks to control this world under the influence of The Emperor Sheev Palpatine. How will the Seven Kingdoms, The Roman Legion and the forces of both Isengard and Mordor be able to resist the will of the Empire?
>>71131677
he is a beautiful guy
>>71131731
They fly their eagles down that chute on the Death Star, problem solved.
>>71131764
Why is the Giver of Gifts surrounded by all those orcs? Surely he must be in trouble!
>>71131731
Find a bunch of midgets that can throw rocks and set home alone style traps.
>>71131801
any more of those removed scenes?
wasnt there one with the elven king too? in the first movie's opening battle
some insider information too would be appreciated
>>71131731
Star Destroyers bombard Westeros from orbit until the continent is a sterile desert without setting foot on it.
>>71132123
Then where does the tax revenue come from?
Since Sauron isn't pants on head retarded he carries a weapon into battle.
>>71132282
He's a big guy.
>>71128022
This. Also Tolkien power levels outclass GRUM by a shitload. Aragorn or Boromir would shit on fucking anyone in a 1v1 sword fight.
>>71132352
And 'e 'as aahrmer, and a big fookin' mace.
>>71131937
gil-galad?
>>71132400
Hound please go.
>>71132417
I thought Elves were meant to be fair to look at?
>>71130626
>warlocks
>not just a bunch of frost meme mages
>not just blinking and snaring the westeros force constantly while mashing frost bolt
>>71132282
could he beat the mountain?
take into account that the mountain is a big guy
>>71132570
Sauron has no eyes for Gregor to poke, so yes he could.
>>71132381
>Ramsay vs. Jon
>Boromir wins
>>71132570
There are so many people in Tolkien's universe that would dump on the mountain.
Lmao
>>71132643
kys
What about the seven lords of hell being reborn in westeros dimension, and the angels going after them?
Also what about the wild hunt?
>>71132872
>wild hunt
Winter is coming.
>>71132886
>Among us a legend, the one they call geralt of rivia, the white wolf.
Damnit geralt actually fits in westeros.
Boromir and Ned Stark go at it, but who comes out on top?
>>71132910
Geralt in Westeros would just end up with him getting involved in politics because Dandelion fucked someone he shouldn't have.
My money is on Margarey.
>>71132915
Boromir has 15 years on Ned, plus he has a horn.
>>71132381
Aragorn could handle a dozen Knights in one go
>>71132282
Sees army get wrecked still goes in, does he plan on taking on the whole army by himself?
>>71131662
This is all I would do if I had the power too.
Incest everywhere I go, and I'll be watching while sitting on a tree
>>71133074
In the books he has a royal rumble with elendil, Gil-galad, isildur, elrond and cirdan
War of Wrath movie when?
Seems like a cash cow Jackson could milk.
>>71127524
Season 1 Westeros would put up a good fight. They would get rekt, but it would have one epic first battle. Current Westeros would be beyond fucked.
>>71133126
Christopher said nobody gets to make any more movies so never.
>>71128076
How is a literal cuckold supposed to conquer a foreign continent?
>>71133126
that would be a CGI shitfest with all the stuff going on
especially an armada of giant eagles fighting with dragons until one the size of a mountain shows up
>>71127524
From what i saw in the show so far i could take all Westeros with one Roman legion without facing any significant resistant, those fucking idiots sucks!
>pic related, come at me bros!
>>71133183
The reveal of ancalogon would be one hell of trip
>host of valar is winning
*ominous music*
>ancalogon slowly rising up
>keeps on rising
>literally bigger than surrounding mountains
>takes flight
>single handed pushes the host back
>>71133074
Seeing the rate at which he wrecks elvish fucking shits that's entirely possible, just like WunWun could've soloed the Boltons, Umbers and Karstarks if he had only brought a wooden plank against arrows and a tree sized mace to fuck them up at a distance.
>>71133179
It worked in Total War.
>>71127524
Mordor, same as Rome would probably have won, even with the worse technology.
Feudal Warfare was a lot different from ancient/Middle Earth Warfare since the armies were tiny. As they said, Bolton had like 6000 men in the most recent battle, while the Mordor and the Romans had closer to 200.000 men.
>>71133232
clearly, rome would win easily since those poor foolish westerosis allow women to lead their armies
>>71133126
Never because Tolkien's son is the ultimate sperglord loser. Better off Jackson doesn't make anymore anyways. Maybe Del Taco. Fuck I'd even be okay with Duncan Jones.
>>71133286
>6000
Really? What was the total in battle of bastards because if it's that small the mumakil would run riot
>>71132381
That's true. Aragorn is 87 years old in LOTR, some elfs are thousands of years old. You can't match their skills.
>>71133304
Roman greatest weapon was training, equipement and discipline of a single legionare, then all that combined into one cohort.
Those Westeros fucks fight with what they pick up along the way, i though by the medieval time they would have some sort of professional army not some mix and match conscripts.
Boromir vs boromir starr?
>mentioning LoTR and GoT in the same breath
Drink bleach, then ipecac syrup then more bleach.
>>71133349
6000 Bolton, ~2500 Wildlings, ~500 Stark loyal soldiers plus a shitload of Vale.
>>71133406
>medieval time
>professional army
BWAHAHAAHAHA! Oh, good grief.
>>71133304
>>71133406
By the end of their campaign the Giants would be serving in the Auxillia.
In the end, all things must serve Rome.
>>71133349
I think they said they had half. So probably around 9000 give or take.
Which seems fairly accurate for a smaller scale battle between smaller houses thinking about it.
>>71133441
and somehow the Bolton cavalry, which was atleast 2000 strong was equal to the Stark cavalry in that scene during the clash
>>71133441
62 Bears.
>>71133462
I guess it is justified by ramsay hailing arrows on top of fuckin' everyone. Seemed pretty retarded how close the fight was though considering Jon did literally everything wrong.
>>71133462
>>71133511
Guys please, dont analyse that battle, you will facepalm, showfags will call you autists your and your head will hurt, that fucking shit defies all logic and reason and those retards are eating it raw.
>>71133665
This
>>71133355
And nearly 2m tall, unlike a certain manlet.
>>71127524
>Ring of Power
>in Westeros
The entire continent murders each-other for the ring inside 24 hours
>>71127524
>Rome vs Westeros thread.
what? If it was Roman Empire vs Westeros then assuming logistics were managed Rome would win without question.
>Mordor and Isengard have magically appeared in Westeros
Mordor/Isengard.
Sauron would work his magic and charm everyone due to how corrupt people are in /got/ universe.
Those who aren't face +50k orcs running around
>>71133757
>what? If it was Roman Empire vs Westeros then assuming logistics were managed Rome would win without question.
Actually a lot of good discussion regarding the better plate armour and cavalry available in Westeros. And obviously the subject of dealing with dragons.
>>71133451
Do some research, dumbass.
>>71133811
I do mr. burger and most of infantry in feudal army were peasants.
>>71133811
Noblemen are not professionals. Mercenaries don't make up entire armies.
>Big game of throne battles involve a couple thousand dudes
>Sauron commands 100,000 orcs, thousands of trolls, thousands of men, 7 dead kings and the most powerful wizard alive
>>71133806
A single roman legion is what? 12k men including cav.
If the leaders of the Romans were good then better plate/crossbows are moot since it's overwhelming AND better organized and led forces
>>71133879
>Sauron more powerful than Gandalf the White
>>71133451
They had some sort of guardsmen at least in major cities, what would prevent anarchy and plunder then, nothing would function, if they were their own military force what prevented them to riot? They hanged themselves?
The full strength of The Golden Horde would beat both.
Together.
I mean, until the widespread adoption of personal firearms in militaries, you can make a strong case for the Mongols beating literally every army in history.
>>71133912
Sue me.
Second most powerful wizard.
>>71133935
Are you implying that these "major cities" maintained standing armies at all times? Don't be a dumbass. In medieval warfare, armies were mustered when it came time to use them, and up until a few centuries ago they maintained themselves by pillaging. The foraging stuff is mentioned in the ASOIAF books, but I don't think it was in the show. The point is that these were not professional armies, they were whatever could be put together and had very little training or discipline, and even poorer equipment for the most part.
>>71133935
Guards =/= professional soldiers.
Next question: Silmarils somehow end up in Westeros rather than with Melkor.
How many days/weeks does it take for a living Feanor to kill every living creature in /got/ universe to retrieve them.
>>71133912
You mean Saruman?
>>71133945
>be Mongolian
>be part of a people who go from being a bunch of nomads to having one of the largest empires ever
>kill 40 million people with medieval weaponry
Genghis was too based. How did he do it?
>>71133806
Even then most ground troops, the majority of the force don't have plate armor.
But I think for the fact that they can overwhelm them like 10 to one even with the lackluster tech they would probably still come out on top.
>>71129129
Judging from the preview chapter we got a few weeks ago, the current BBEG is going to do a mass blood sacrifice to summon and control a Cthulhu monster. Also he has a magic horn that can control Dany's dragons.
>>71134033
Delegation.
When he needed to kill people, he'd take his army, and assign each man a quota.
100,000 goes by pretty quickly when you have 10,000 guys kill ten people each.
>>71134063
>If we all just do our part and work together, there's nothing we can't do!
>>71134031
Feanor alone? Two days tops, a week if westeros run
>Sauron
>his whole shtick is corrupting people
>everyone in Westeros is a greedy, backstabbing cunt, their sole honourable fighter is Boromir
They don't even fight, they gift the throne to Sauron
>>71133912
He is. Even Gandalf says so. Sauron is basically a super charged Maia.
>>71134089
I think he meant Saruman.
Makes more sense in context.
>>71133935
Guardsmen being key here.
Or do you also thing police are the same as soldiers?
>>71132436
I'm sure that's just a bad picture, plus it's from the set and not a screenshot anyway.
Could Arthur Dayne beat Aragorn if he had Dawn?
>>71132570
Elendil was as tall as the Mountain, and him+Gil-Galad lost to Sauron.
>>71134131
Would Aragorn have Andruil?
>>71134131
hahaha.
Dayne with Dawn + undead mountain are equal to Aragorn on a bad day for Aragorn
>>71132436
Jackson occasionally shat on the lore, so...
>>71133945
Not really. The Horde armies was fairly small all things considered. The Roman army at it's height was like 400.000.
>>71134131
>could Arthur Dayne defeat a two meter tall Demi-god King who lived for 200 years
No
>>71134033
He had the greatest fucking commander throughout all of history leading his armies.
I mean, this guy would send fucking spies to infiltrate Kingdoms two years before the actual invasion took place.
>>71134234
Wasn't Subotai in Conan the Barbarian?
>>71134251
Yes
>>71127524
Isengard would get thrashed by any great house. Isengard was only a threat to Rohan because they had been controlling the King, and had forces to launch a quick strike against a poorly defended fortress. With the exception of the Iron Islands, pretty much any of the Great Houses could put together more soldiers than the ~20,000 Sauruman mustered.
Mordor could wipe out many of the Kingdoms however. The estimates for the amount of Orcs at the Pelennor is around 60,000 - 100,000 which instantly gives them a numbers advantage. A third of that were Haradrim and various other human armies, but the army that besieged Minas Tirith was only one of 4, and wasn't the largest. The forces of Mordor could total 250,000 - 300,000. Your average orc would be about the match of a fresh peasant levied from some shithole town, while the uruks would be better, but still no match for a man at arms. However numbers, combined with the terror of facing trolls, Nazgul and sorcery that blots out the sun and causes nausea over an entire city makes up for that.
>>71134171
>>71134171
There's a VERY strong precedent of large roman forces being absolutely wrecked by tiny forces of horse archers.
Crassus had a far larger force when he was utterly beaten at Carthae. And the Parthians were barely a pale shadow of what the Mongol horse archer was. The Parthians didn't even have saddles or stirrups.
Horse archers are effectively a hard counter to traditional Roman tactics.
>>71134251
...But that is another story
>>71134234
>He had the 4 greatest fucking commanders throughout all of history leading his armies.
fix
>>71133855
Unless you are defending, no, they weren't.
>>71133857
>Mercenaries don't make up entire armies.
Say that to the Italians. Btw, some noblemen were mercs, as well.
>>71134264
>Isengard would get thrashed by any great house.
Knight, please.
>>71133074
Sauron came out of his fortress because the siege of barad-dur took a long ass time (years) and he got sick of it so he decided that he should just rekt everyone by himself.
>>71134318
This.
Hardened, drilled soldiers will wreck a force 5x their number.
>>71134316
>Unless you are defending, no, they weren't.
They were since most of feudals never had enought gold to buy the whole army of professional soldiers.
>>71133304
Imagine a movie about this battle, with Sophie as Boudica and Ramsay as the Roman general. Top Kek: The Movie
>>71132570
Sauron, upon contact with Gil-Galad, cause Gil-Galad to burst into flames. The man is a Demi God.
What's the largest battle that's taken place in got? battle of the trident?
Has anyone actually even got the experience to lead a +30k army?
You guys rigged the game as soon as you pitted GoT against ultra-high fantasy like LOTR, Warcraft and Warhammer.
How about GoT vs The Elder Scrolls, though?
>>71134270
Huns did not conquer rome and they're not that much different from Mongols, different amounts of bows used but lets be honest, if a horse people couldn't take Rome at its weakest, I wouldn't trust them to win when Rome can handle itself.
Aetius would own a mongol army.
>>71134396
>TES
>not high fantasy
Westeros would be fucked in every scenario.
>>71134386
upcoming siege of Meereen is pretty big
>>71134403
>Huns did not conquer rome
Yeah they just besieged it and take largest contribution in roman history.
>and they're not that much different from Mongols
American detected.
>>71134396
>How about GoT vs The Elder Scrolls, though?
Who cares?
>>71134031
Muh Silmarils
>>71134429
Saddle and stirrup tech, recurve bow, they had technology differences but the huns came from a nomadic culture that wasn't that different and was built up by strongmen. They took diverging paths (Empire versus the host moving towards their enemies) but we're not talking about the Parthians here.
Remove the black death and economic mismanagement and Rome could easily have bitch slapped the Huns. Or better yet get a better commander for the eastern romes so they don't hide behind Constantinople.
>>71134471
There's one difference and it's related as to why Mordor/Rome crush anything from GoT.
It's leadership and organization.
>>71133945
How about no.
>>71134033
Good tactics, though their novelty eventually wore out.
>>71134084
>everyone in Westeros is a greedy, backstabbing cunt, their sole honourable fighter is Boromir
What.
>>71134534
Launching a whole bunch of heads into a city is still one of the best ways to get a city to capitulate. I mean, it was creative.
>>71127524
>Sauron does not have the one ring
But he has hundreds of trolls decked out in full plate and nine unkillable wraiths. What the fuck is Westeros supposed to do?
>>71134471
>Give them a better commander they would've won
You could say this about any losing side.
All this Mongol talk makes me want to play AoE and build a horde of mangudai
>>71134264
Isengard only lost because Saruman had no backup plan. He wasn't expecting his army (which was a hair's breadth from actually taking Helm's Deep) to be flanked, routed, and driven into a walking murder-forest. Or for his own fortress to be assaulted by a walking murder-forest the instant his army departed.
>>71134471
>but the huns came from a nomadic culture that wasn't that different and was built up by strongmen.
But their organization system were different.
>>71134577
I dislike what the new addons have put into the game and have unbalanced it. Especially adding siege towers that can drop guys over walls. Luckily A.I is too stupid to use it correctly.
Adding towers without any counter mechanism was dumb.
I miss my old campaign map that I made where Mongols don't completely fall on their face when invading Japan.
Such a good time. One of my favorite campaigns to this day is one of the greek one's from first AOE where you start out with basically nothing but a couple of guys and have to build an army from nothing.
>>71134403
>Huns did not conquer rome and they're not that much different from Mongols,
But that's completely incorrect.
Attila didn't even bring much cavalry to Catalaunian. The tactics he employed were nothing like those employed by the Mongols. His force completely lacked the mobility, the logistics and the tactical genius that the Mongols are famous for.
And to downplay the lack of the recurve bow and modern saddle is complete folly. The Mongols were the undisputed masters of the Parthian shot, a tactic for which the Roman military never developed a defense against. A full 8-10 Tumen Mongol force literally turns the sky black with arrows, at full gallop, backwards.
And if you want to talk tactics, the Mongols have Subatai. Which is pretty much self explanatory.The man was one of the greatest generals in all history.
>>71134403
>Aetius would own a mongol army.
He couldn't even own a Hun army.
Last time I checked, they still pretty much raped Gaul and crippled Rome's military.
>>71134616
Well that is why I said one went way of Empire and the other didn't. Even Attila's 'empire' was really just another strongman scenario.
My problem is that the only time they encountered a decent army, from Bagdad to Japan to Eastern Europe/Vienna, Mongols were always fighting people that were at a disadvantage in some form.
Name a single battle where Mongols met an equal force. I mean they couldn't even take Japan which was very tiny in comparison.
>>71134718
>I mean they couldn't even take Japan which was very tiny in comparison.
Dude, even you know that's a bullshit argument.
KamiKaze curse is real.
>>71134343
>never had enought gold to buy the whole army
What, are we playing Heroes of M&M now? Peasants were peasants, they were needed to work the fields, people who were doing the fighting were of different social status.
>>71134648
I think it's time to replay aoe.
Sauron vs The first law (trilogy era)
Both Union and Gurkhul are against him, but they are not working together.
>>71134718
>Mongols were always fighting people that were at a disadvantage in some form.
The Mongols routinely encountered chinese armies larger than them.
And they were outnumbered at Mohi. They were outnumbered at Kalka.
>>71134760
>What, are we playing Heroes of M&M now?
Yep since professional soldiers demands gold for their service.
>Peasants were peasants, they were needed to work the fields,
And when they senior went to war he usually decalre militia call and use them as cannon meat.
>people who were doing the fighting were of different social status.
"people with different social status" were knights.
>>71134717
Are you implying Aetius didn't stop Attila?
Politics and backstabbing hurt Aetius.
>>71134699
I'm not downplaying it, recurve bow and that backwards, circling away move Mongols did to trick their enemies was impressive, my point was to illustrate the differences between huns and mongols.
You act as if they had unassilable ability but for every Carrahe, Rome kept repulsing Parthians In Syria, in fighting causes more damage to both sides rather than any single tactic.
So no, I'm not dismissing Mongol tech;
"Meanwhile Mark Antony had already sent Ventidius to oppose Labienus who had invaded Anatolia. Soon Labienius was driven back to Syria by Roman forces, and, though his Parthian allies came to his support, he was defeated, taken prisoner and then put to death."
Even the germans managed to defeat roman's through betrayal, nobody has perfect record on battlefield, I'd still take a Roman army over others any day of the week.
Westeros vsDark Souls?
>>71134718
>Name a single battle where Mongols met an equal force
Legnica.
But if you want a real example, The Battle of Yehuling.
Half a million Chinese infantry, 150,000 cavalry against a force of 150,00 mongols.
>>71134804
"chinese" armies, you mean the same people that built the worlds most famous fucking wall? Who are you kidding.
>>71134901
>Are you implying Aetius didn't stop Attila?
Yep.
>>71134903
You crazy? The creatures in dark souls would fuck up everything in Westeros. They're already troubled by undead zombies, imagine undead swordsman that keep coming back and are only defeated if they go insane, to which they're still a thread.
>>71134922
I will amend myself or rather what I meant, when I said equal, I should have qualified that with an actual decent army. 100k peasant conscripts doesn't make an army.
Same reason you could take a small professional force and beat the shit out of a much larger one.
See Romans versus Boudicca.
>>71134903
>so I told this nigga stannis that he was the chosen warrior of Westeros and to set himself on fire and he sets his fucking daughter on fire instead, the absolute madman
>>71135110
Bend the knee, Frampt.
>>71134572
Unorthodox, but, again, nothing new.
>Upon crossing into Asia Minor and the fringes of the Islamic world, the crusaders’ first target was the ancient city of Nicaea. During its siege the Franks catapulted the heads of slain Muslims into the city to intimidate the garrison.
>>71135110
Someone had tokindle the bonfire
>>71135148
Make me.
>>71134903
giants in dark souls know to use weapons/have armour
>>71134718
The Mongols' failing to do shit in Grorious Nippon was a matter of fortune (or misfortune, depending on the POV).
>Mongols were always fighting people that were at a disadvantage in some form.
Any force will lose if it fights outside its "comfort zone", the Mongols don't make an exception, but the ability to make a good use of their advantages while exploiting their enemy's mistakes was what made them so lethal. Once they lost this ability, they were just an army like any other.
>>71134849
>And when they senior went to war he usually decalre militia call and use them as cannon meat.
>"people with different social status" were knights
And now you are wasting my time. Use the Internet for something useful for once and educate yourself on the matter, and stop spewing pop culture meme crap.
>>71127524
>10000 Uruks
>50000+ orcs
>armored trolls
>nazgul
i think Westeros loses
>>71135590
>And now you are wasting my time. Use the Internet for something useful for once and educate yourself on the matter, and stop spewing pop culture meme crap.
>liberal talking about history of other countries
Top fucking kek, mr. Numale there were only 2 kind of fighters classes in feudal society
1) Knights
2) mercinaries (usually professional infantry)
>>71133748
I thought he was taller than 2m and Boromir was nearly 2m
>>71127524
Depends where Mordor and Isengard appear. If its in the North, everyones fucked.
Lets say the CotF successfully control White Walkers, and Bran forms an alliance with them despite their previous wars. The CotF would rather have men live on Westeros rather than the Orcs.
So now there's a WW army that can quickly revive its forces and destroy armies with ease.
If Mordor is in southern Westeros, they win. Simply because the WW army won't be able to revive the larger armies like the Reach and Westerlands. It would also mean King Robert wouldn't be able to call his banners and fight the threat quickly enough.
However, if Mordor is in the east, they would be too busy taking the cities there and may clash with Daenerys. If Dany understands their sheer strength, she will sail to Westeros and end up getting executed ( if her dragons are too small). If enough time passes by, she may be able to take Westeros and lead the armies east for the big battle.
All depends on location of Mordor, willingness of cooperation between key characters, Bran and his visions and how many of the key characters even meet.
So basically, its a shit hypothetical thread by OP because there are millions of ways this can go.
>>71135878
Aragorn is 1.98m, Boromir is 1.93m afaik.
>>71135718
>mercinaries
Wow, you trolls are getting dumber by the minute.
>>71133665
>don't analyse the battle, guyz, you will, like, facepalm
State one thing wrong with the battle that YOU saw as an original observation made by YOU, anon.
>>71133879
Orcs are fodder, much smaller and stupider than men.
Most of Sauron's men are lightly armoured, very little cavalry, and their magic users, while powerful, do not demonstate any real area-of-effect capabilities, and routinely die/succumb to melee weapons.
Meanwhile, in Westeros:
The Westerlands, Riverlands, Stormlands and the Reach could bring 30,000 a piece. 20,000 from the North and Dorne. Ditto the Crownlands. Iron Islands + Crown + Westerlands supply the Navy.
150,000 soldiers, not including sailors, logistics and marines. And these are proper Medieval armed forces with plate armour, etc, something Tolkien specifically said that Middle Earth didn't have.
They've also got medicine and other tech which are beyond our own Medieval societies.
The Wildlings supply 100,000 in fodder (men, women, children all "fighting freefolk"). This balances out the orcs.
Dragons for Air Superiority (confiscated from Dany and raised by actually intelligent handlers)
There are a few Giants and Mammoths around in S1 to do some tanking and siegework.
CotF, Red Priests, White Walkers, Maesters, Qyburn can deal with Magic and to do Weather Control.
Westeros is a huge, America sized continent with multiple enormous unassailable strongholds if they need to fight a protracted war on the defensive.
>Additional option to call in loans from the Iron Bank or hire Sellsword companies with Crown Funds or hire Faceless men by using an intermediary to exploit Jaquen's retarded pricing structure.
Isengard gets destroyed right away
But Mordor is a different animal all together.
All the Armies of Westeros would have serious problems matching the might of Minas morgul, much less actually besiege the Black Gate, break it, march through Udun and then besiege the Isenmouthe Gate.
The Might of Mordor is beyond anything Westeros can deter, not to mention that Barad Dur is impossible to take by force.
In the second age, it took about 800k Dunedain, Elves and Dwarves to break Saurons forces, even at the end of the Third Age Sauron had more than enough troops to break the free people of Middle Earth by force, but the ring was destroyed
>>71137837
From the forces we see him field in Return of the King, this >>71137542 Westerosi force could defeat him in open battle.
The Second Age doesn't come into it.
He does have unassailable gates/fortresses, but that just makes it a seige, and we know he can't do that forever because he had to try and break the siege set up by the Last Alliance.
>>71137542
after two months half the lords in westeros would serve Sauron out if their own volition.
If the song if ice and fire showed anything, it's that the people of westeros are incapable to band together in face of a bigger threat.
>>71136796
>>71135878
Spotted the femanons
What about Westeros back in the day with a proper Targaryen king with fuck huge dragons?
>>71137904
he can field almost 400k Orcs, countless Trolls, Felbeasts and Mumakils.
He also has the Easterlings.
And Saurons Uruk Hai are still stronger and larger than the average westerosi peasant, armed with a sickle or a sharpened hoe
>>71137931
nah, the CotF can project dreams and do telepathy, which means that they can run psy-ops protection for the Westerosi forces as long as the Westerosi bring along enough weirdwood trees for them to set up in.
>Greenseer time-travel could be a GOAT weapon, too, but nah, coz that is shitty storytelling
>>71137187
Mate, this is the stupidest fucking thing I have seen anyone post for a good while.
>>71138034
Saurons evil influence drove the elven will to live from middle earth.
I'm sure he can cook something up against treebeards.
>>71133912
>Gandalf has to ascend to Saruman's power level
Come on man
>>71138013
From what we see of Westerosi forces they are uniformly armed (under each Great House) and very professional.
The Uruk Hai are described as being slightly smaller than the average man, and Gimli the Uruk slayer even baulks at fighting full man-sized enemies (the Wild Men), leaving them instead to Aragorn.
We see enough Trolls for operating siegeworks, but they never come up in anywhere near the Orc numbers, so they're still containable, though a problem.
Mumakils are shown to be a double-edged weapon, easy to panic.
Easterlings would be a good central line force, with their scale-armour, shields and pikes, but Sauron doesn't have any cavalry to speak of, so they are in danger of being flanked.
Besides, Sauron prefers the orcish Zerg rush anyway, which means his armoured corps will either be wasted out of formation or left behind.
The rest of the Southrons and Wild Men are unarmoured and uncivilised.
Its basically a large sized Dothraki horde with no horses and mostly manlet membership (Uruks are Jon-level manlets).
Or a really big Wildling force.
This guy SUMMONS THE ELECTOR COUNTS and invades Westeros. How does he fare?
>>71138034
>he thinks the dream influencing babby tier telepathy of the children is matched by a Maiars influence on mortal minds
>while Sauron corrupts the mind of the strongest humans and even other Maiar with ease
>Saruman: Together, my lord Sauron, we shall rule this Middle-earth. The old world will burn in the fires of industry. Forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orc.
There are countless people in Westeros who'll easily fall for Saurons promises, the Lord of Gifts is no amateur.
>>71138064
>mind control in the Tolkienverse is literally the vaguest phenomenon in literature. Elves, Maiar, Palantirs, fucking Numenorians, everyone has some form of psy-ops going on.
If they can do it, and the CotF can do it, why shouldn't it cancel out?
Sauron.net gets jammed by Weirdwood.net for the duration of the siege. What's so silly about that?
The Last Alliance sieged for decades with no mind control shenanigans. Sauron doesn't have a fucking Cerebro in his fortress. He performs no major mind control stuff in the 3rd Age without either a Palantir or a Wizard (Saruman) or the Ring to aid him.
>>71138065
Yeah, but also the Elves left because they saw that the new world didn't belong to them, and they remembered a happier place and time in the Undying Lands.
They weren't forced out and they still didn't want to stick around even though he was destroyed. Besides, that all took place over Millenia. This is just some sieges. The CotF are super ancient themselves, they can handle it.
>>71138287
He always uses magical objects as conduits for that, though. And this is a war in which everyone is utlising their full resources.
So the Westerosi intelligence posse (Varys, CIA, Qyburn - answering to Tywin) make sure that gifts from the enemy, smallpox-infected blankets etc are effectively screened out.
Smart guys are a resource, too.
>>71138246
Victory within a month, they have fireballs, more soliders, guns and artillery.
>>71138453
>he thinks Sauron and Saruman are limited to smallpox
>>71138553
>he doesn't understand either history or metaphors
>>71127524
>>71127524
>>71127524
Nah, let's talk about some real bad motherfuckers that not only wiped out civilizations but completely change the whole eco-system and the carbon footprint on the planet.
These fuckers would beat both armies Senpai.
Especially since LOTR best cavalry have shitty understanding of tactics like charging horsemen into a heavy spear line.
Three tumens would be enough for Westeros alone.
>>71138596
talking about high fantasy warfare, there are scientific and magical approaches
>>71127524
>Mordor and isengard
>Implying barad-dur and orthanc are able to cooperate
>Implying uruks and orcs are able to cooperate
Desu baka senpai
>>71138621
>they converted to pisslam and fractioned the khanate beyond repair
Sauron would have no problem at all to create Morgoth cults within their societies and make them serve him like with the Numenorians.
>>71130544
It was specifically made to kill spoopy ghosts and wraiths like the witch king.
>>71138621
>Three Cumins
>Never mind the demons flying fuck-you dragons
>Never mind based Saruman wizard
>Never mind literal representation of Satan
>Never mind fire of orthanc
Are you serious mate
im on a website for literal 13 year olds talking about dragons and trolls and swords. literally why am i here
