Sprawling HBO series when?
probably never
it would be too difficult to bring it to the screen
would be hype to see it if it happened though
is it true this series is just a transcription of some canadian's gurps campaign
>>70731095
i think the setting was originally written for his campaign, then he wrote a script for a movie taking place in it but no studio wanted it, so he turned it into a book
then he wrote 9 more
10,000 pages of glorified dragonlance bullshit. Normies would hate it, and the CGI budget would be through the roof.
After Wheel of Time
Abercrombie, Rothfuss, Sanderson, Lynch, almost every major fantasy series is more likely to get adapted than Malazan.
Malazan would be impossible to adapt because of how overwrought the world building is, since the writer is an anthropologist he knows what he's doing, but the real problem with the series in general is that it's just way too high magic to where it turns into DBZ. When things just reach that epic level it's not engaging, magic is abundant but has no wonder, nobody stays dead or persists somehow even when dead, magic superweapons, mammoth shit floating around, shapeshifters out the wazoo, mages everywhere, every peasant or beggar can use magic, it's like the more shit that gets thrown at you the more desensitized you become. I don't even mind high fantasy sometimes but there's a point where it's just enough already.
>>70731275
Is this fucking pasta? I've seen this exact thing pisted
>>70731274
Would love to see a proper Locke Lamora adaptation, but only the first book.
I'd be more interested in an adaptation of this.
>>70731592
that would be actually doable, and probably pretty great if they pulled it off
Croaker is a GOAT fantasy character
Fucking never, just imagine how awful their version kg Tattersail would be.
I could maybe see a GotM miniseries, maybe.
>>70731060
It would have to be animated or it would be total shit
Could it be done without making everything edgy and devoid of color?
Done in the style of Heavy Metal with rock songs.
>>70731687
it already was
>>70731724
I love Excalibur but there's a lot more to cover than a movie could possibly do.
Man I wish I could just transport Boorman and the entire cast and crew through a time machine and give them a modern tv budget for a series.
>>70731060
No.
Just no.
It would get raped to death worse than fucking GoT and it would make even less sense in a strictly visual medium than the whole sprawling craziness already does.
Just.
Fucking.
No.
![Grave-Peril-by-Jim-Butcher[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Q3fotUa.jpg "Grave-Peril-by-Jim-Butcher[1].jpg")
>>70731060
How about these books get a new series that stick to the books more closely?
Not that the series we got was bad mind you, I'd just like something more faithful, and that lasts for more than one season.
>>70731959
It was weird how completely different thr series was. Honestly I think it would work better with a structure like Sherlock.
Also does the series stay good or does it get totally shit? Kinda dropped it after Changes, way too much melodrama.
>>70731687
King Arthur is legitimately a story women, numales and SJW, aka the GoT audience literally cannot understand.
They would get suckered in with all the medieval warfare and shit like braindead retards 'IT'S LIKE GOT!!' but then get sickened and outraged with all the manly virtue, camaraderie, emphasis on honor, doing good deeds even when it hurts, and humility etc then screech that not enough of the knights are black.
>>70731925
Malazan has a pov character mutilated and then gangraped to death, so I doubt that shit will fly.
There's even underage rape in the second book.
HBO series when?
>>70732268
wouldn't work, POV is too subjective and a visual adaptation would totally lose that
what's with the malory autist ruining every fantasy thread on /tv/
>>70732395
>ruins the thread by contributing to it
???????????????
>>70732395
you mean like you're dong right now?
I dunno, whats up with you?
Sprawling HBO remake when?
>>70732395
nigger King Arthur in one form or another is like the fucking basis of all fantasy shit and has only been done right ONCE in a movie over 30 years old
>>70732036
but that's only how it will start, once things get going we will see that these gods among men were still human and prone to the same human weakness everyone is vulnerable too
>>70732002
I've only read the first three.
I hear they get worse so I have been reluctant to get back into it.
>>70732787
Absolutely, but the thing is despite being a text literally centuries old nobody really is as big a caricature of """"realistic"""" humans like GoT and GRRM pretend they are. They are FLAWED men, but not retarded cartoons like GoT characters.
>>70732782
Do you think King Arthur really existed? Was he a real person? What's the historicity of King Arthur?
Please ONLY answer if you actually know. I could Google myself, I just like talking to genuine experts online.
>>70732049
Which characters are you talking about?
>>70732925
It's unclear, the legend is so old, he might be a gestalt entity based off of several generals / warlords from the post-Roman era who fucked up the Saxons. /his/ actually knows a lot about this shit.
>>70732858
You have to read up to Dead Beats. Books 4-7 rock, Grave Peril was kinda lame.
>>70731060
I read the summary on wikipedia. Ya good luck with that lol. Either HBO will rape it to death so much that fan with hate it, or writing that shit into a tv series will turn a group of writer into a raving lunatic.
>>70732945
first one isHetan
there was a character in the second book who was explicitly said to be raping kids but i don't remember his name, just that he was a high ranking member of the Whirlwind
>>70732945
Hetan and Felisin respectively
>>70733007
That was Bithandal I think, and yeah that was pretty fucking dark. But then he gets his dick ripped off and chokes on it.
>>70732268
would be unrecognisable in a visual medium
reading these types of books is no different than taking a drug that turns you into a dork
>>70731613
>>70731592
I've read this after watching Game of Thrones and always pictured Iain Glen as Croaker
Also Black Company would be doable EXCEPT for the climaxes in some of them
Talking about flying whales, millions of soldiers and high magic
>>70733001
The main character in the fourth book rapes a woman and her daughter. No fucking way will HBO be okay with that.
>>70733103
>>70732292
idk you guys are too unimaginative
i think it could easily work with a proper director and script
>>70733279
i wouldn't say he's the main character
the book only really follows him for the first 250 pages, then he's scattered throughout the rest of it
but yeah, you right. HBO wouldn't stand for that shit
Malazan is literally impossible to adapt live action
You would need to animate it
>>70733227
What do non dorks read? What do I read to make me a Chad?
>>70733279
>>70733311
its not rape if you use blood oil
>>70733336
it's also not that great of an overall fantasy series imo but holy shit the magic and set pieces are amazing
>tfw you will never be a 20k year old shapeshifting elf-dragon with a sword that sends people to a slave dimension and can kill literal gods
>>70733336
>being a grunt in a battle with high mages on both sides
Call it furshit but I'd be all over a faithful redwall adaptation
Like American horror story , each season is 1 book
It's a mixed blessing the writer took the rights to his grave , well never have to see the series shit on by Hollywood, but it also get a good adaptation either
>>70733397
stuff like that just takes me out of the story
High Fantasy is just autistic too much of the time when it turns into anime power battles
>>70733397
I dunno, I thought it was fun. Reaper's Gale kinda sucks though
>>70733358
The newspaper, nonfiction about soldiers, fitness magazines, and sometimes but not regularly airport literature.
>>70733439
Weren't the brideburners digging under Pale for like two years? Holy shit living in the Malazan world sucks if you don't have magic.
>>70733459
im a sucker for autistically detailed magic systems and immortals and gods and shit fucking about so i really liked that aspect of malazan. like the entire concept of ascendancy was dope as fuck. magic being powered by entire dimensions and shit, it was great.
>>70733460
it was fun yea but pretty pulpy. i'll probably get flak for saying this but asoiaf is much better written i think.
>>70733458
> good guys always win despite getting killed off often as GoT character but even less ceremonious
> villains always due horrificly
> Christian undertones
Could work if done right
> writer took the wrights to his gave
He died ? When was that ? Though it would explain why he hasn't put out a book in near 10 years
>>70733534
no I agree with you to a point, but with Malazan where even fucking courier services have magic, every beggar has magic, everyone has access to super-weapons, things are floating and flying thru the air etc it gets away from me, there's plenty of magic but no 'wonder', the mystical becomes mundane.
>>70733458
You're assuming his kids won't do a Brian Herbert...
>>70731592
And it's pretty similar to Game of Thrones, which i'm sure would help the pitch to HBO.
They would probably have to add some more romance to appease the normies though.
>>70731060
Please do Prince of Nothing first.
I think it would make an incredible series if pulled off correctly. It's sufficiently low magic (at least the first series) to pull off and the character interactions are amazing.
>tfwAchamian's cucking is brought to life in glorious 1080p
>>70733622
They cross continents in no time at all just like GOT too.
>>70733576
yea that's definitely true
>>70733534
I think parts of ASOIAF are but holy shit Erikson can write a satisfying conclusion, like Torrent dying completely alone and unseen but saving those two kids.
>>70733575
Brian Jacques died around 2010-2011 IIRC
Despite the flaws I loved the books , though it would have to be VERY high quality cgi animation or animated since everyone is furry
What's a great sci-fi book series? Ideally, something like a cross between Mass Effect and Game of Thrones.
>>70733727
Try the first Dune or Red Mars
Alright, who /sffg/ here?
>>70733727
The Expanse
>>70733727
Hyperion
>>70733704
death of anomander rake was pretty based too
Adaptation when?
You ready for slavkino?
>>70733727
Not even trying to make on-topic /tv/ posts and it's accepted.
>>70733964
Soon senpai, soon.
>>70731592
BLACKED
>>70733964
Geralt is a pretty uninteresting character if you're not controlling him
>Paran becomes a soulshifting walking plothack
>It's literally never relevant at all short of one or two times where he blacks out
This series rustled me so hard with how much of it was just plain left hanging at the end. Half the plot threads are basically untouched.
>>70733931
Rutger Hauer as Bayaz
>>70734878
that's what happens when you write a 10 book series with each book having 800 pages and having 5 pages of irrelevant "dramatis personae" at the beginning of each book
>>70734878
Thats partially intentional. At the start of the series you're meant to feel like you're jumping into the middle of a longer story. The end leaves you with the idea that there's more to happen. I think its great. Life always goes on, and sometimes things just don't get tied up nicely.
The thing I like best about these series is that there aren't niggers and SJW bitches everywhere, it's the way storytelling should be.
>>70731592
1. only the first three books
2. no american company is subtle enough to pull it off
3. i'd give it to refn because valhalla rising was decent and verhoeven is dead
>>70734898
>not Brian Cox
>>70735788
What? Half the main cast was black, Paran was a FOB, Ben was a Sandnigger etc.
>>70731275
Please, anyone reading this disregard this. It is pure bait.
literally the opposite of how magic is done in the books.
>>70731060
someone tell me what these books are about and if they're worth reading.
I'm on chapter four of wheel of time after one of my friends has been begging me to read it and it's just getting shitter and shitter from the beginning.
>>70735788
this has to be bait
there are probably more black and other dark skinned characters than white characters in malazan
>>70735877
Wheel of Time just gets worse over time
Malazan is way better
>>70735834
pretty sure Paran was white
Most of the Bridgeburners were white except for Quick Ben and Kalam
>>70733305
They told you right, there is no way to pull Severian off in a visual medium. One look at the tower and it's gone.
>>70735844
he's not that far off
icarium is literally the incredible hulk and high mages and ascendants have DBZ fights every 100 pages or so
>>70735927
Has to be bait, or you haven't read the two series, or you haven't understood them.
Robert Jordan is the American Tolkien. Steven Erikson is the Canadian Raymond E. Feist.
>>70735941
This idea is stupid. A simple surface adaptation of Wolfe would make for an entertaining story. The basic events are entertaining.
>>70735935
Paran comes from a clearly Italian/Spanish themed place, Whiskeyjack was brown (actual name being Iskar Jarak, he's a tribesman by descent), Kalam is Black, Trotts is an Islander type, Fiddler is a Potatonigger. Kalam is a sand person, Karam is black, the thief kid is a Sandnigger and Apsalar is Asian. The Historian is also Black, Coltaine and his people are clearly based on the Mongols. All in all, a good two thirds of the cast aren't white.
>>70731275
The pasta is a true. This book is a fps with health regen and auto res.
>>70735877
>what these books are about
there's no real way to answer that question without spoiling a bunch of shit
the first five books are essentially independently contained stories, and you only begin to see it all be tied together in book 8
>>70735927
Only on chapter 4 of the first book and i can already tell how much of a 90s tolkien he is. i was intrigued by the prologue but after the levitating horse lord disappears everything went deep into the dirt.
i've never read the malazian series which is why i was asking about it.
>>70731852
>tfw boorman refuse to release his original cut
It's fucking painful, especially because you can see a whole bunch of deleted scenes in the trailer.
>>70736018
i still think you can go 12 levels deep like wolfe and hint at shit like the 7 or 8 severians in film form, you just can't do it EXACTLY like the book
>>70736069
Wheel of Time doesn't really come into its own until book 3 or 4. The first one is very heavily influenced by Fellowship of the Ring. Mat and Rand develop a whole lot on the later books, particularly with Rand's developing schizophrenia.
>>70736126
If i have to read some 1400 pages just for something to be worth reading, no thank you.
I know that sounds like a cliche thing to say about anything but if there's 14 books and that many pages each of material, and only very little to brag about, it's just not worth it.
Is Malazan the most patrician fantasy series?
>>70736094
The point is that you can't hint in the same way Wolfe does which makes it a bit redundant as an adaptation. There is no tonal shift and certainly not a genre one, unless you decide to skip many parts of the story in order to avoid the scenery. In a fucking visual medium no less.
>>70736164
Nope, it's a forced meme and it actually fucking sucks a lot.
>>70735844
It's true though.
>>70733439
>the first thing you do is get together with the grunts on the other side and kill all the mages
>>70736186
But you are wrong
>>70736024
well you are moving the goalpost way too far if you are going to use /pol/'s definition of white
First off, just cause a place is Italian inspired doesn't mean, the people there are Italian, even then that would still make Paran white unless you are using /pol/'s definition of white. Tavore, Ganoes and Felisin were all white nobles. Whiskeyjack was white in all of the official art and covers he was white, you are mistaking he was from a middle eastern inspired continent so that makes him middle eastern.
I can admit Kalam, Apsalar and Quick Ben are the only truly non-white humans on the bridgeburners.
Toc, all of the Letheri empire was white, and all of Genebackis was white as well.
Sanderson media pls
>>70736162
Yeah it's not for the likes of you. Adderall addicts cannot appreciate longform storytelling based on Southern oral tradition. That's fine but what's really irritating is that they feel the need to comment negatively on it strictly based on their own insecurity over not being able to grok it.
>>70736208
>lmao just kidding there's an ascendant who is """secretly"""" helping the other side for some random reason and you and your whole unit gets turned into dust
>but wait there's a sentient tree on YOUR side that decides to help but only after you suffer 99% casualties
yea nah fuck the malazan universe if you arent an ascendant
>>70736248
Erikson fans love him.
>>70736239
>he people there are Italian, even then that would still make Paran white unless you are using /pol/'s definition of white.
Uh, no it would be the actual definition of white. Italians are Latins, not Caucasians, Anglos or Slavs.
>>70736328
latins are considered white by everyone except /pol/ except when they brag about romes accomplishments
>>70733964
>Played by denzel washington
it's hollywood after all.
I can't bring myself to read much at all of high fantasy. Almost every single one I try to read has mary sue or gary stu characters, retarded names and unnecessary apostrophes everywhere, shitty lore building that just tries to be unique for the sake of it, and always a dumb map full of really silly or generic names that almost never pop up.
I just can't get into all the pompousness.
>>70736369
No, you're just making shit up actually.
>>70736383
I just wanted to add that most of them are way longer than they need to be, and almost anytime magic is involved, it never makes much sense at all, like why people can't just spam spells constantly.
>>70736383
Stop reading shitty Fantasy. Try the Assassin's Apprentice trilogy.
I remember reading those back in early high school and actually finding some of the comedic characters to be hilarious. A year or so back I bought one of the spinoff books and so much of the character dialogue that I used to enjoy just sounds retarded. Anyway, there is a lot of shitty filler content in the main series that, granted, gives some foreshadowing but is otherwise unbearable and stretches on.
>>70736383
Stop playing low-skill games. Get an 11-conduct ascension in NetHack.
>>70736383
Its ok to admit you have no imagination anon. Also I must say your post was an excellent addition to this discussion. Please tell us more.
>>70736383
You need to go for the more grittier series to avoid that but with grit comes other cliches but I would take a dark fantasy with grit over some thing like WoT.
>>70736383
You're literally the worst type of base normie.
>>70736511
WoT isn't as bad as /tv/ makes it out to be, but its not amazing by any means. Ever read any Donaldson? Chronicles of Thomas Covenant is steeped in traditional fantasy, but manages to be darker than most high fantasy.
>like high fantasy
>some anons say Malazan is amazing in spite of DBZ style wizard fights
>others say it's trash because of DBZ style wizard fights
>I like DBZ style wizard fights
>don't know who to believe
>>70736598
Nah senpai. I will pick it up after I read the prince of nothing trilogy.
>>70736651
Believe in urself
>>70736505
>>70736581
>imagination
>throwing random apostrophes around in people's names about how they're the chosen one
That's the exact opposite of what I want. I'm sick of generic high fantasy.
>>70736598
Dumbfuck Donaldson should have read On Fairy-stories before composing his shit series. Why does everyone here have horrible taste?
>>70736492
The spin off books are from a different author and are generally terrible.
>>70736722
Fuck you shithead. Covenant is great and you can eat a truckload of dicks for all I care.
>>70731060
That book is shit
Fuck off
>>70736711
Then why are you in this thread talking about? Why waste your time?
>>70736903
What else can autism at rest do?
>>70735844
No, it's true. It's like every single corner of the world is being ravaged by some ancient magical immortal being who wants to genocide everything and it's a wonder the whole place isn't completely depopulated by the second book.
>>70736903
Because I've heard of Malazan before and wonder if it has the same things I tend to dislike in it as well?
As much as I like fantasy I hate the absurd names that authors come up with.
I'd rather have a Gentleman Bastards series.
>>70736651
you'll like it
just remember Kruppe is the best
>>70737114
Isn't that the Edgemaster 5000 series? Or am I thinking of another one?
>>70735844
don't they literally have several species that move so fast normal humans can't even see themselves getting hacked to pieces by them?
>>70732036
So it's basically a children's story
>>70737145
Different one. It's a series of heists and socio-political power plays mixed with com-drama with a handful of dark moments.
>>70737184
yes, there also dinosaurs with swords in stead of forearms
literally
>>70737197
Shouldn't you be slobbering on chad's dick sweetie? Men are talking.
>>70737261
holy shit fuck off you enormous faggot
>>70737184
Humans have much higher potential in the Malazan series than in reality. Tool loses to the guy with the mask despite being the strongest of a people consisting of unstoppable undead abominations swinging a magic stone swords that weigh as much as most people. And the guy who beat him was only Fourth. Also Whiskeyjack was comparable to several deities in a 1v1 fight, and only lost because his leg had healed badly after being broken.
>>70737285
Wow what a comeback. Do you need somebody to explain Master and Commander to you next?
>people actually read this garbage
smdh tbqh
>>70737360
i wasn't even the person you were replying to
was just overwhelmed by how much of a tool you are and i felt compelled to let you know
>>70737360
You just reminded me that we will never get another master and commander film
Would rather have that than a film based on fantasyour series desu.
Reminder that this thread was started as a response to the Wheel of Time thread. That thread has 10 replies, this one has 150.
Wheel of Time status: BTFO.
>>70737114
Came to post this.
>>70737483
The TV series is going to fail. It wouldn't even surprise me if it never gets made. Trying to cash in on the GoT money but it's nothing like it.
>>70737390
>its a ''lol bro I wasnt the guy you intended to reply'' meme
fuck off
if i like ASOIAF and kingkiller chronicles what would be a good fantasy series to read next. besides LOTR i haven't really read anything.
never
>>70737557
end yourself, dude
>>70736651
It's fucking great man.
>>70737574
Read The First Law books. It's similar to ASOIAF but is a more simpler tale however the pov characters are just as complex and there are far less so it has a nice quick pace.
>>70737574
None. The rest are convoluted D&D campaigns written by autists who are too self-absorbed in their own escapism. All I wanted was a story about well written characters and stories that just happen to take place in a fantasy world but that's too much to ask I guess.
>>70737547
NBC had the rights in the 90s at the height of its popularity and decided not to do it. That says a lot.
>>70735960
>>70736193
>>70736950
Why does magic have to be rare? Malazan does a great job of having nuanced and different magic.
The premise of the world is that magic is plentiful, which is much more believable than a few random people having these super powers and running shit.
Magic is a part of life, a tool, a technology that can be studied and improved upon.
To be honest to a world like that you have no choice but to show humans progressing and accomplishing great feats.
And dealing with gods/ascendants can really only be done in one way.
Would you claim there is too much sword fighting and that an amazing swordsman loses his wonder because there were a bunch of battles before him?
I dont see why people love this idea of super rare magic.
I want most of the world to have access to magic and then see what an entire planet can come up with.
It's a fantasy book and you guys complain about it going full fantasy...
>>70737617
>its a ''anon completely misses the fucking point'' episode
Why are you still here? I told you to fuck off.
>>70737872
I do enjoy that explosives tends to trump magic, gods and inhuman creatures
>>70737872
wheel of time invented everything in this post
>>70737911
wheel of time invented that
>>70737944
nah they did artillery
I'm talking about legit sappers using legit high end fucking explosives because they didn't know what else to use against fucking elves
>>70737872
It doesn't have to be but if you're just going treat magic as a mundane technology, it loses some of the wonder, and I would then rather just read sci fi, as that technology is a bit more based in the real world.
When in every chapter I'm reading about another great being who just slaughtered another 100,000 people with a single sword stroke it doesn't really have much impact.
>>70737715
GoT is so popular because ASOIAF is basically a dark, gritty, political soap opera. WoT is too traditional to ever become big on tv. It will be legend of the seeker tier if it ever gets made.
>>70737872
It's lazy and boring. Are you 12 years old?
>>70737994
yup, wheel of time actually did invent that in point of fact.
>>70738007
tell me you weren't shitting your pants when Hood manifested in Darujhistan in book 8
the shit you're talking about happens maybe once a book. not even that, really. and it's never to the ridiculous degree you're implying.
>>70738026
yeah it's the game of houses.
>>70738026
they could essentially skip the first 3 books and jump straight into Rand being an asshole, plenty of intrigue, dark gritty stuf
>>70738092
I'm afraid I didn't get that far. I read the first 4, and the only plotline I really enjoyed was the Chain of Dogs march, but that's because it was more of a human story and not just some asshole gods treating humans like insects. And I think I know how they feel because every character just seems so disposable so I don't care who lives or dies.
>>70738007
Did you even read the series? It really doesn't sound like you did, also sounds like you don't enjoy fantasy that much.
>>70738057
Trigger of the day.
You better be baiting you fucking stupid cunt I swear to god of all the things to call the malazan series "lazy and boring"?!?!?!??!?
You definitely haven't read the series you bitch
>>70738217
>i read less than half the series, but take my opinion seriously guys, really
fuck off
>>70737540
>The GRRM shit cover
:[
>>70738207
>skipping rand and mat at four kings
>skipping the darkfriend social
>>70738265
>4 books isn't enough to get the gist of what the series is about
>I should continue reading a 10 book series even though I'm not enjoying it
>>70738092
Thank you for this people in this thread have been doing the book a real disservice.
Ive read so much fantasy and the way erikson balances the powerful forces in his books is unmatched. Always checks and balances.
Kruppe was in many ways more powerful than gods and ascendants alike.
I'm almost done with Eye of the World
I don't see how this could be turned into a successful TV series
Wheel of Time would flop in its first season
>>70736383
I love how people are calling you a normie for disliking lazy genre conventions and shallow worldbuilding.
>>70738319
I love your lazy grammar conventions. Endemic of the sort of poster participating here.
>>70738289
yep I know,but I think it could work, not entirely skip and just start in the Aiel Wastes but drastically compress the first 3. I don't want it like that I'm just thinking of what could work for TV
>>70738301
not that guy but if you weren't enjoying it by book 4 you can drop it no issue.
It really sucks that you will never experience the genius of Tehol and Bugg the manservant though
>>70738301
i'm not saying you should have continued to force yourself through it if you weren't enjoying it, just that you shouldn't throw your opinion around like it has weight if you haven't even consumed the majority of the material.
>>70738319
Malazan is basically defined by Erikson's distaste for genre conventions. there's almost no exposition, and he never spoonfeeds the world or culture to you. yet still, it's one of the most detailed and perfectly realized fantasy worlds in literature.
>>70738318
Bookstores gave away the first half of Eye of the World for free because it's so fucking great and instantly hooks everyone who reads it. Doubt you read it if you didn't like it.
>>70732036
>medieval warfare is SJW shit now
Just when you think this board can't get any dumber.
>>70738318
yes they'd have to combine EotW, The Great Hunt and Reborn, not sure how, buts its the only way it would work
>>70738378
Erikson is a GURPS player who documented his campaign. Retards who blather about him are fucking embarrassing. Try reading Herbert or Zelazny. You don't even know what fantasy literature is.
>>70738392
I didn't say I didn't like it m8
I just said it would boring for TV
>>70738426
the setting was designed for GURPS, but the series gestated from a script he wrote that was turned into the first book.
>>70738319
he is shitting on the fantasy genre in general.
Nobody like those things, but anyone who has taken the time to read quality fantasy knows that the genre allows for so much that cant be done in other genres
>>70738404
Yeah really, people defend GoT here now
>>70738458
Post the script.
>>70738351
Good rebuttal. Endemic, good work, really like it.
>>70738516
why would i have that?
>>70738510
Don't remember mentioning GoT anywhere in my post but alright you run with that.
the cast would be fucking gigantic
and you would need an impossible budget for the CGI to make it look even half-decent
Malazan is fucking great, but there is no realistic way it could translate onto a tv/theatre screen in a successful or half-decent way
>>70738541
You wouldn't, because it doesn't exist and your entire knowledge of fantasy literature comes from the first page of results for Google keywords and wikipedia pages. I can detect your ilk from a mile away.
>>70738466
Just because he's shitting on the bad aspects that have become ubiquitous in the genre doesn't mean he's hating on the genre itself.
>>70738571
You're actually the dumbest motherfucker I've ever seen on 4chan, and the way you talk is embarrassing. I actually am praying to God that you kill yourself, and I know you will, so that makes me happy.
>>70733458
But we sorta already got that with the redwall animated series
>>70738571
dude. i've read Herbert, Cook, Tolkien (even outside of his middle-earth writings), Wolfe, Bakker, Jordan. i think it's safe to say that i have some level of knowledge of fantasy literature. your hatred of Erikson's work comes off as irrational, meaningless, and ignorant.
>>70738630
Please don't Freudian project at me. I don't want to be responsible for your death and I also don't approve of you killing yourself no matter what you've said. Get professional help and don't drag innocent anons into your own personal struggles.
>>70738609
>ubiquitous
I dont care if he hates the genre, he is shitting on it unfairly and you are doing the same by claiming laziness and shallow world building are
>ubiquitous in the genre
nonsense
>>70733439
I'm actually spit balling a novel based off exactly this. Basically some nobody that remains a nobody but witnesses death and destruction on massive scales.
Toying with the idea of him being key at the end, like picking up something that could sway the battle either way, but I really think it's kind of cheesy and would rather have him remain a guy witnessing others do epic things while he only survives through his meekness.
>>70738698
Why are Cook and Bakker in that list? Are you having a laugh?
>>70738745
because my point is that i have read a decent amount of both good and bad fantasy, and am capable of telling the difference.
>>70738781
You clearly aren't if you have any appreciation for Steven Erikson, who is a bad writer and worldbuilder and is about on the level of Piers Anthony.
>>70738731
>nonsense
maybe you guys know
who was the chick who in the later part of the books got abducted by a cult and force to eat and partake in orgies until she became an obese mindbroken whore/high priestess?
>>70738886
wasn't that Janall
>>70738810
Not that guy, you are a moron.
I have read pretty much all of the fantasy out of there.
Erikson is one of the best world builders and dialogue writers in fantasy.
His prose can get excessive, tedious and wordy though.
Kruppe's ranting and tehol and buggs discourse have yet to be matched by any dialogue I have ever read.
>>70738745
>>70738886
>>70738378
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>>70737872
wheel of time invented all of that
>>70737574
>>70736941
>>70738745
wheel of time invented this
>>70737285
>>70737617
>>70736248
>>70734898
you guys are fucking idiots, wheel of time invented all of this
>>70738745
wtf is your problem with Cook?
>>70737872
magic has to be rare because otherwise, it isn't magical.
If everyone is super, than nobody is.
If supernatural events are too common or grandiose in a story, the reader's sense of disbelief can't be suspended. They become dejected and bored.
Gandalf and Saruman are impressive figures because they have no peers. They are semi-deific.
In a world with hundreds of thousands of wizards, that distinction is lost.
You have to ease the reader into being shocked by the revelation of a wonder, by building it with the suspense of being exposed to the mundane.
You have to impress the reader with deific acts and aspects of certain individuals, by showing them the mortality and limitations of the majority.
Monsters are not scary if they are too visible. They must hide, there must be some mystery.
Magic is not wondrous if it is the norm.
You have simply created a medium where the standards are elevated and it becomes more challenging then ever to come up with nuanced ways to impress the reader by the manner in which magic is used and innovated upon and how magical creatures, places, and items affect one another.
It's no easy task to pull off.
>>70739038
wheel of time invented this
>>70735877
Eye of the World is a deliberate homage to lord of the rings. The books get way better.
>>70738921
no it was someone not so old
I almost want to say it was Felsin Younger but I don't remember how her story ended.
>>70739089
No, it did not, but I appreciate your enthusiasm for this meme of yours that you are clearly having a lot of fun with.
>>70735991
>Steven Erikson is the Canadian Raymond E. Feist
dude I'm not one of these Eriksonfags on here but thats just fucking mean
>>70739092
>WOT invents LotR
>EotW homage to LotR
you don't make any sense
>>70739207
Wheel of Time invents LotR, which becomes the most popular tale ever made, and continues through the ages is lost and then found again in the breaking, until eventually, tolkien totally copies it again. Wheel of Time then goes onto invent LotR.
Come on anon, think with circles.
>>70739271
my bad, it seems so obvious now
On the topic of high fantasy series
Can anyone recommend a more grounded series than Malazan? I really enjoyed Malazan but I'm interested in a series more on par with the Coltaine/Chain of Dogs story in the 2nd Malazan book.
>>70739341
Lies of Locke Lamora and it's sequels.
>>70739038
Nothing stops a superior being from arising, your post is like saying since everyone can play basketball Lebron james isn't super...
If one guy can burn down a house and another can call down a meteor the former is not the peer of the latter...
In a world with so many wizards distinction is earned and therefore more valued/respected.
The base line can for mundane can be set anywhere and then the wonder appropriately... wondrous
Monsters are only scary when they pose a danger to characters a reader is invested in regardless.
More challenging to impress?
You must have such a weak imagination.
There is limitless possibility with magic, endless room for nuance and subtlety and innovation.
Uniqueness doesn't inspire awe and wonder, rising above the masses and proving yourself does.
>>70739341
youve probably read them but first law series by joe abercrombie and the kingkiller chronicles by Patrick rothfuss
>>70739365
Interesting viewpoint.
Perhaps I will give this series a try. Perhaps I am wrong.
I always preferred where magic had a cost. There's a few series where magic actually shaves years off your life, and you could kill yourself to cast one glorious spell, or a group of wizards would sacrifice themselves to create or destroy something.
Magic without repercussions is boring.
>>70739341
gentleman bastards
>>70739341
Blood Song
>>70739414
If you do maybe skip the first book if you are prone to dropping things easily.
First book is by far the worst in the series, myself as a fantasy addict dropped it half way through, didnt come back to it for a year.
Second book should hook you, from there its just one long crazy journey that makes you gape at the scale of the world.
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>>70736239
You're forgetting that Kellanved/Dassem/Dancer were all black plainsmen as well.
>>70735834
Yes but other than that, the series is really very anti-relativist. Pretty explicit that the Malazan Empire improves the fucked-up cultures they conquer despite the overall destruction.
>>70739390
problem with kingkiller is the main character is one of the biggest mary sues ever
that and the fucker seems to be in a race for who can wait the longest to release their next book with grrm
>>70739563
Dancer wasn't black
>>70739612
>the main character is one of the biggest mary sues ever
this is true, but at least he's interesting to read
>>70739612
I never understood the Mary Sue complaints about kvothe. The character is supposed to be a legend that did legend worthy shit. That's like complaining about Gandalf being too wizardry.
>>70739612
dont let the mary sue meme deter you from books.
There are good people in the world.
Most importantly though, you need to realize the story is being told by the character.
Nothing he says is guaranteed to be true or accurate and many things could be changed or would be viewed differently if you asked someone else.
If you haven't already it is really fun to try and see where kvothe is lying or withholding or exaggerating.
Many things point to him having quite the ego and being a selfish power hungry man.
Tl;dr if you tell a story about yourself you are going to make yourself sound like a "mary sue"
>>70739811
Kvothe is a Mary Sue, but considering that Kvothe is telling the story I thought it was him talking himself up more than anything else.
>>70739868
do we really need to spend so much time on how he was so smart and charming that he learned to be a master of sex from a forest nymph
even if rothfuss' intention is to have some of the stuff be exaggerations or lies (which isn't guaranteed since we haven't met any character that contradicts kvothe) it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to read
Who will play him in the inevitable biopic.
>>70740057
You seem to hate exceptional characters..
you are aware that there is a 6ft2 10/10 genius out in the world slaying pussy like nothing and making millions right?
Its a story about an exceptional person who had a rare unique life.
The main appeal of the series for me is the revealing of the true kvothe.
Imagine if the nymph was all a lie and in truth he was enslaved and abused/tortured until he broke and learned the name to take control.
there is jsut so much Rothfuss can do
>>70736651
This is literally how the series opens. Its fucking awesome and fuck anyone who tells you otherwise.
I fucking hate that I missed a gigantic thread where /tv/ apparently likes Malazan.
>>70732268
Doesn't work in a visual medium, BUT Adam Driver for Severin.
>>70731060
>HBO
No.
I'd like to see an adaptation of this.
>>70741394
>Adam Driver
Wasn't Severian supposed to be tall and dashingly handsome?
On the other hand, that could be himself blowing smoke up his own arse.
>>70732925
King Arthur is similar to Jesus in that there was surely someone with that name wandering about at roughly the right time but all deeds of his life have been grossly exaggerated or mythologised and intermixed with other people who shared his name in the preceding and succeeding century or two.
For instance, we're pretty sure that traces of the story of Excalibur can be found centuries before the earliest writings on Arthur in celtic myth.
>>70733931
It'll come for sure. These books were made to be movie adaptations.
>>70732925
he was some sort of romano-british legate basically.
ps. i have no idea what im talking about
