Which Star Trek series is the best and which episodes should I watch?
All of them in the order they aired
>>70000795
This.I loved Concerning Flight
All of them in the order they aired.
>>70000771
I won't comment on what's best, that's for you to decide:
I'd start with either TOS or TNG, depending on what you want
>TOS- You pack up on a big road trip with a bunch of friends, and you end up stopping at the tourist traps and truck stops of the universe. Poor special effects, politically charged plots, and shining optimism ensue.
>TNG- You decide to be adventurous one night so you take your friends to the weird AM/PM gas station in the shitty side of town, only to find out that space Serbs are robbing the place. Also you have to fight waves of DOS desktop towers. More somber stories, slightly more grounded, but season 1 still sucks and you just have to power through it.
>>70000937
Oh yeah, as everyone else said: if you don't like one, try the others before you give up. If you like them though, try all of them as you go
All of them in the order they aired
DS9 would have been so much better if we'd hadEzriinstead ofJadziyafrom the get-go.
>>70000930
>>70001001
>All of them
Shades of Gray can be skipped
>in the order they aired
Could be done but there isn't much point, the series that were on at the same time don't effect each others storylines
>>70001324
I love Ezri.
Another anon suggested the idea that they should have started out with an old Curzon, and then kill him off and replace him with Ezri a few seasons in. That would have been great
>>70001615
It would have been a nice contrast. Jadziya was basically Kurzon with a vagina.
All of them in the order they aired
>>70001641
One, it's Jadzia.
Two, Jadzia > Ezri.
That is all.
>>70001778
>Star Trek
>Spelling
Also Jadziya a shit
>>70001778
Jadzia was likable enough most of the time, but rather two-dimensional and in desperate need of some character flaws to round her out. Her smug attitude and the fact that she's good at everything can be wearing. Also she's the only member of the main cast that has no arc to speak of, aside from hooking up with Worf she's exactly the same in season 1 as in season 6.
Ezri is better because she actually has faults, and she has more character development in one season than Jadzia had in six. Doesn't hurt that she's fucking adorable
>>70001904
I know, right?
Jadziya is like that rich cheerleader queen bee who lost her virginity in 7th grade to the captain of the high school football team and proceeded to act like her shit didn't stink and Ezri is like the shy, giggly girl who would rather go to the Renaissance Fair than a concert.
jadzia/ezri were fucking cancer
i would have rather had them use curzon and add another female character elsewhere, preferrably a vulcan or romulan
>>70001778
I've ranted about this in the past, but Jadzia ceased to be an interesting character in "Blood Oath" (Season 2, episode 19). She got to play Klingon with no consequences, and from that point on I found her to be dull at best.
She shouldn't have gone with Kor, Kang, and Koloth. He oath to Starfleet and the fact that she was Jadzia Dax, not Curzon Dax, means that her Blood Oath shouldn't have been in effect. And then she at the end of the episode would learn that Kor, Kang, and Koloth have all died trying to slay the Albino, and she can have some nice guilt, and the Albino can come up in a later episode. But at least she can take some comfort in standing by her principles.
OR
She DOES go with Kor, Kang, and Koloth to kill the Albino, ignoring her Starfleet oath because she took an oath both before that and one which was more personal, a blood oath. She helps defeat the Albino - and then SHE IS THE ONE TO KILL HIM. Because she took a Blood Oath and she's going to live by it. And when she returns to Deep Space Nine, her friendship with Sisko has been nearly irreparably damaged since despite said Blood Oath she was still a Starfleet Officer and what she did amounted to murder. It would have taken most of a season, or more, to get back into Sisko's good graces. But she could at least live in the knowledge that she stood by her blood oath and fulfilled her duty.
Either way, really. The point being that the episode should have carried CONSEQUENCES, but it didn't. Instead Jadzia got to go play Klingon without it having any effect on her Starfleet career or her friendship with Sisko.
Blugh. Hate that episode.
>>70000771
TNG is best, original is ok, ds9 is meh i never understood the love for it, its just sitting at a space station, thats not star trek exploring and shit. voyager had some good episodes but some real shit episodes, and enterprise was garbage all the way around. so watch TNG, the 200's battlestar galactica season 1-3 and make up season 4 in your head, then watch farscape. that should fulfill your scifi needs for a while
>>70002360
>>70002327
Good post. That was essentially Worf as a character as well. Kill the High Chancellor of the Klingon Empire? Eh, forget about it.
>>70002321
They tried to add a Romulan; she got shoved out an airlock by Garak. Or something.
Subcommander T'Rul was supposed to be a liaison officer from the Romulan Star Empire who was supposed to make sure that the Federation didn't steal or copy the Romulan cloaking device that was fitted on board the Defiant. But she never showed up after the Defiant's first episode(s) because the show's writers literally forgot she existed.
Pity; a permanent or at least semi-permanent Romulan character would have been interesting.
>>70002380
>hes mad at my opinons
its ok if you like a show that i dont anon, i wont yell at you, we can have different tastes
>>70002425
Yeah, a missed opportunity. Romulans are so fucking cool, such a shame that no Trek series has one as a regular character
>>70002417
Yeah, but Worf at least got other opportunities to act Klingon.
>Crusher: "Worf, if you don't give this Romulan your blood, he'll die."
>Worf: "Good."
[later]
>Picard: "Worf, that Romulan died!"
>Worf: "I don't see the problem."
Or in DS9...
>Kurn: "Our House has been discommendated, brother. I need you to stab me in the heart with this knife."
>Worf: "Can it wait until I'm off duty?"
>Kurn: "Sure."
[Later]
>Worf: [stabs Kurn in the heart]
>Kurn: "Thanks."
>Worf: "No problem."
>Bashir: "NOOO!" [emergency transports Kurn to sickbay, saves his life]
[Later]
>Sisko: "You can't kill your brother, Worf! You're a Starfleet officer!"
>Worf: "Okay, I won't kill him, but only because you'll just keep bringing him back to life with super-science."
>>70002483
I'd worry that T'Rul might not have been much different from Garak in implementation, but I suppose the difference between the two would be that Garak is on the outs with Cardassian society whereas T'Rul is presumably still in VERY good standing with the Praetorate, given that she's in charge of making sure no one steals the cloaking device. Although probably not just her; she should have a staff of some kind, a half-dozen or so uhlans. Mostly so that she can sleep on occasion rather than watching the device 24/7, or however long a day and week are on ch'Rihan.
She could have spent like half a season or more rubbing that fact (that she's still in good standing on Romulus) in Garak's face. Then something happens back on Romulus that causes the Praetor to fall and a new one to take his place (possibly changeling related). Suddenly her career starts spiraling downwards. Garak rubs this in HER face, but eventually the two commiserate.If you know what I mean.Also potential love pentagon between Bashir (for Jadzia), Garak (for Bashir), T'Rul (for Garak), and Worf (for Jadzia).
>>70002321
What's wrong with Ezri?
I mean, I wouldn't have minded having a female Vulcan around even if just for the eye candy but Ezri was pretty much the only femininity the show ever got; Jadziya and Kira basically acted like men and all of the other female characters were marginal (whatshername that Sisko shacked up with; Leeta), one-offs (Luwaxana) and/or terrible (Keiko).
>>70002360
>ds9 is meh
>>70002944
In fairness, I also think it's meh, but that's because I watched a certain other show first and it just seemed to do everything the same, but also better.
>>70003025
I appreciated DS9's slow burn with its war but yeah, I preferred your spoiler
>>70003025
They have similarities but both are great shows. Honestly I think DS9 is better, less preachy and stuffy, more varied and fun, and just all-around better production, writing and acting.
>>70003078
I think the reason why I preferred B5's Shadow War over DS9's Dominion War is that B5 somehow managed to do Star Trek better than Star Trek.
In Deep Space Nine the Federation wins through tactics and firepower and just being better at killing the Dominion than the Dominion is at killing them.
In Babylon 5, the Alliance manages to win against the Shadowsand Vorlonsby exposing the frauds and failures that they'd become and convincing them to stop their pointless wars of extermination.
It just feels very "Trek-y." I could easily imagine William Shatner or Patrick Stewart doing Sheridan's speech at the Battle of Coriana VI. A little bit different in inflection, maybe some slightly different word choices, but in the end reasoning and appeal to the better nature of their enemies instead of just murdering them.
>Kirk: "I have...neverheardyouanswerthatquestion. Who are YOU? What do YOU want? You don't know, do you? You've been...fighting and...fighting each other for so long...that you've forgotten!"
>>70003261
>Picard: "So tell me...how can you guide us? How can we learn who we are and what we want if you don't even know it anymore? It doesn't matter which side wins this today! A thousand years from now, it'll start all over again!"
>>70002504
I hope that the new ST will let Klingons off the leash.
>>70003600
I hope the species is barely mentioned. Force-feeding the space mongols down our throats for years to only do it again would be a special kind of dumb.
>>70003261
I prefer the Dominion War because it actually feels a long, drawn out conflict. The Shadow War begins and then it's over in almost a blink of an eye. Also you can't really compare the Dominion with the Shadows/Vorlons, the latter fought wars of ideology while the former were simply invading conquerors. You really think the Dominion just needed a good talking to?
Plus the space battles in B5 are just pathetic with the Commodore 64 CGI, while the ones in DS9 still look great.
>Oh shit there's some sort of super-sneaky assassin using a super-special weapon to assassinate officers onboard DS9; should we perhaps ask our own resident assassin slash spymaster for help?
>Nahhhh.
Starfleet "security", everyone.
>>70001904
Ezri was already 200% wud berry but that alt... 350%, easy.
>>70001778
Jadzia was a mary sue. I know that term gets memed to hell on this board, but she really was.
Meanwhile Ezri, despite not having very long for character development, actually had serious flaws she had to work on. Remember that time she got verbally photon-torpedoed by Garak and broke down crying?
Overrated: TNG
Underrated: Enterprise
Best: TOS/DS9
Worst: VoyagerYou should still watch them all
>>70005573
Joran was underrated Dax.
Slick, smart killer.
>>70005615
Agreed. I wish we got to see more of him.
Some kind of arc involving his personality pushing through might have given more flaws/depth to Jadzia's character
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>70006344
...
>>70005615
I'd have loved to have seen more of him, and it's a pity that Ezri came along as late as she did because they could have gone any number of places with those two. I'd have particularly really enjoyed seeing Ezri rehabilitate him into a functioning "individual" and draw on him like any of the others.
It's an even greater pity that ST writers in general are so fond of going out of their way to avoid having "good guys" kill when not absolutely necessary; seeing Ezri drill that Vulcan right between the eyes and then basically shrug it off as a necessity instead of burying Joran even deeper than before would have made for an interesting character development. She'd probably couldn't help but be more sympathetic (and if not then at the very least more understanding, even if she abhors his actions) to Joran after feeling what he felt and for his part Joran would probably respect her more than just about any other host (except maybe Curzon - Dahar masters don't take blood oaths with people who aren't willing to get a little gory) for not being a pussy and might calm down some. But nope, can't have the federation kill as a matter of fact, nope. Gotta have waterworks and/or drama to emphasize that killing is doubleplus ungood in virtually every context because muh moral high ground.
I really hate to say it like this because it makes me sound like an edgelord but god damn do I hope that there's more actual violence in the new series. I get happy whenever Klingons show up because there's a good chance of someone getting stabbed or disrupted or Bat'leth'd instead of having the heimlich maneuver performed on them.
Did anybody actually like prelude to axanar? I watched it after somebody mentioned it here as good and I thought it was cringey as fuck. Especially the guy who played the Klingon. So much cringe.
>>70006344
I could set my watch to this post
>>70004367
Who are you referring to? There's nobody here but us tailors
>>70008839
So why did you of all people deign to respond?
I've been rewatching all of Star Trek since February, and I'm at the mirror episodes of Enterprise.
Man, it really *has* been a long road, getting from there to here...
>>70000771
Voyager is the only startrek I've ever watched. I know people here shit on it but I loved it. I grew up watching it, I feel like the crew were my friends. Don't see how TNG or DS9 could come anywhere near the comfy perfection that voyager was. I'm getting nostalgic thinking about it anon. So I recommend voyager starting from the first episode
>>70009284
>I feel like the crew were my friends.
Tom ' Final Form of Chad ' Paris would not be a friend of mine.
Now Harry Kim on the other hand..
>>70009352
Tom's enough of a dork about history and retro science fiction to disqualify him from Chad status. He always seemed to me like the guy who was trying to be cool, got most of it right, but fucked up at it just enough so that you knew he wasn't really.
>>70003757
>You really think the Dominion just needed a good talking to?
I think that would have been more in keeping with the general themes of Star Trek, yes. Whatever DS9 achieved, it tended to achieve it at the cost of the thing that made Trek different from every other Sci-Fi show, which was a staunch effort to portray the future as fundamentally GOOD, humanity as genuinely BETTER then we are today.
Section 31, for example, should never have existed. Or having existed, it should have been a major plot of DS9 to dissolve it.
>>70009793
Go back to the grave, Gene. You've been dead for almost 25 years now and you need to start acting like it.
>>70009998
No! I'll fuck your wife! I'll fuck all your wives!
You'll never stop Gene 'The Mad Philanderer' Roddenberry!
>It's a 'Tom Paris gets his lieutenant pip back after only a year' scene
"Hey, where's my promotion?"
>>70010395
>"Commodore Kim, open hailing frequencies."
Sounds silly, doesn't it?
>>70007510
Shut up, Renegades producer.
>>70010454
So does having an ensign on senior staff for ~8 years serving with only a single reprimand on his record, but never getting promoted.
>>70010454
A Chinaman? In charge of his own vessel? Preposterous.
>>70010943
It would probably be a real piece of... JUNK anyway.
Har Har Hardee Har Har kill me.
>>70005600
TNG is rated correctly. Enterprise's only underrated aspect is the Peter Weller Earth nationalists thing. All of the other stuff in ENT is largely bad (Not Voyager bad).
>>70000771
Is that the one where Gimli plays DaVinci and Janeway escapes on a glider he made?
>>70011085
Yes, the flight on that glider was rather concerning because we didn't know if it would be able to stay aloft.
>>70009998
I'm sorry, but - well, actually, no, I'm not sorry.
Without the "humanity is better, this is a future you'd actually want to live in" optimistic spin, Star Trek just isn't Star Trek. Klingons and phasers don't make the setting; they're just window dressing, minor details surrounding the actual core ideas.
>>70010395
By Star Trek Online (set in 2409) Kim is actually captain of the U.S.S. Rhode Island, the lead ship of the Rhode Island-class science vessels. He would probably be higher-ranked but after all the shit that happened to him in Voyager he actually intentionally held back from doing anything or advancing in Starfleet for a good long while until he eventually got over it.
Oh, we also meet his temporal doppelgänger again! Or was the Kim we know the doppelgänger, and so we're technically meeting the real one? I forget which.
Either way, the point is we meet a spare Harry Kim. Things...things don't turn out so well for him.
>>70000771
>plebeian question thread
>>70000795
>>70000930
Only correct answer.
>>70011053
Lies. Any episode with Andorians in it STARTS at 8/10 and no matter what can't drop below 5/10, simply by virtue of having Andorians in it.
In fact with the exception of "These are the Voyages", the entirety of Season 4 and a good portion of Season 3 are great. Seasons 1 and 2 were hit-or-miss but no more so than any other Trek series; TNG didn't get good until Season 3, for example, and neither really did DS9.
>>70011177
To be knit-picky, 'true' Harry Kim is dead in space, and "totally 100% exactly the same" replacement Kim would be this captain of the Rhode Island.
Off topic:
[Spoiler] is ST:O any good? I tried playing it but it won't boot on my pc [/spoiler]
>>70011177
>"It needs to be true to Gene's vision!"
>plays STO
lol
>>70000771
>Which Star Trek series is the best
Have a handy directory.
>>70010395
Remember that time that klingon tried to rape him? Thats what he gets. Thats all harry gets.
>Slog through all of Enterprise
>Lose faith of the heart
>Suddenly Zefram Cochrane pulls a shotgun out and blows those Vulcan fucks away
>>70011262
I'm watching season 4 right now. It has definitely got some bad stuff in it.
>aliens who look ugly because they're evil, and show off how evil they are by evilly allying with the Nazis
>augments in torn clothing who act like whiny angsty teenagers while Brent Spiner tries too hard
No thanks.
>tfw you see a dyed-in-the-wool, unironic Genefag
>>70011366
>[Spoiler] is ST:O any good? I tried playing it but it won't boot on my pc [/spoiler]
I like it as a casual MMO, gameplay-wise.
Aside from that, their way with tying up various loose ends from Star Trek material is enough entertaining on its own, even if most of the time it revolves around designating a hidden Merchant who drives the plot from behind the scenes.Like it was with the Iconians in the now-complete story arc and butthurt Krenim in the current one.
So did he get his shit together or what?
>>70011640
>Pic related
>>70011497
Please stop posting bait.
>>70007510
>Renegades fags
>>70003600
Dey gud boys, dey dindu nuffin.
>>70003757
Anyone who complains about effects is a millennial faggot.
Fuck off back to your Transformers.
>>70011916
Aggressive.
Adversarial.
>It's a Harry Kim turns old because of digital clowns episode
How did he take out an entire Jem Ha'Dar fleet in only one ship?
>>70012061
He didn't. He just delayed them.
>>70009352
Harry really is "please respond" personified.
>>70012107
>He just delayed them.
How much time does it have to pass before they assault alpha quadrant in accordance with their orders, no matter how obselete to everyone else?
>>70011053
Your daily reminder that John Frederick Paxton did nothing wrong.
>>70011990
>>70011613
I like ST:O because they tell the truth about Insaneway and her 7 year mission of spreading chaos.
>>70012271
What.
Dominion Fleet A was going to overpower Klingon Fleet B. He delayed Dominion Fleet A, so that Klingon Fleet B could rendezvous with Allied Fleet C first. B+C can overpower A, so A doesn't attack B+C.
Kor didn't take out A, he's celebrated at the end of the episode because delaying A saved B.
>>70012285
He had to have been the Emperor in the mirror universe.
>>70012061
I always thought he faked surrendering so that the ships got in close and then he detonated the warp core or something.
>>70011591
They got driven out of these threads long ago in the Great Genefag Purge
(lol Gene btfo)
>>70012437
No, he was admiral.
>>70012409
STO's Delta Quadrant and its storyline is fun in that aspect, as it shows how much it was worth it for Janeway to be involved with this region of galaxy in the first place:
'Valuable' allies 30 years after Voyager's expedition:
>Ocampa
>Talaxians
>Liberated Borg in the form of Cooperative
Everyone else, save for Krenim and Kobali - in various degrees of embittered enmity.
And yet both Harry Kim and Seven of Nine will get mad whenever you do anything that would stray from "what-would-Janeway-do".
>>70010395
At least you're not TEN YEARS an ensign.
why is Shore Leave the campiest, silliest but comfiest episode of TOS, lads?
>>70012639
Because TOS does camp so well.
Also, because that's probably where the idea for the holodeck came from.
>>70011451
Honestly between STO, the current novels, and the JJ movies, STO is the closest to Gene's vision, if you can wrap your head around that.
The Trek universe has just become very dark, depressing, and grim in the novel-universe., while meanwhile despite its basic premise somehow STO remains fairly optimistic and positive.
Plus in the novel-universe DS9 blew up, whereas in STO it's still intact.
>>70011570
>aliens who look ugly because they're evil, and show off how evil they are by evilly allying with the Nazis
Oh, come on, that two-parter was a send up to the TOS days. If Trek had more time-traveling alien reptilian space Nazis from the future in it on a regular basis, or like things, it would be better for it.
Don't forget that for every "Devil in the Dark", we have a "Spock's Brain".
Or, for a TL;DR version, see pic.
>>70012384
One of the few genuinely good Voyager episodes. That one and the one where they arrive at a plane that has sped-up time, and almost literally the entire span of the species that inhabits that planet happens over the course of just an hour or so to Voyager's crew. I loved both of those.
>>70012977
>aliens who look ugly because they're evil, and show off how evil they are by evilly allying with the Nazis
>tfw STO still doesn't have cosmetic nazi uniforms despite Na'kuhl being the focus of current story arc
Wasted opportunity, familia.
>>70012977
I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make in that second response.
Does this seriously fucking mean that the new 2017 series is just called "Star Trek"? I'm sick of these fucking reboots just having the original series/movies title. Also, the nutrek style 3D lettering looks like shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXpPweAooeE
>>70013788
No. They'll have a title later. And a ship, and a crew, and a setting, and a premise...
>>70012977
Were you deriding DS9's similarities to B5 while praising Voyager for ripping off Dragon's Egg?
>>70001778
i will fucking fight you, nigger
>>70014139
>Captain Ezri
And people call Jadzia a Mary-Sue.
>>70009793
It was a major plotline. They literally invaded the dudes mind to figure out his secrets. The episode was basically the movie Inception.
>>70014232
in all honesty, Jadzia never had a chance of me liking her.
i like short hair and i dont like Becker
>>70000771
star trek enterprise Dear Doctor
>>70012977
>That one and the one where they arrive at a plane that has sped-up time, and almost literally the entire span of the species that inhabits that planet happens over the course of just an hour or so to Voyager's crew. I loved both of those.
that one was great
>>70014355
How do you feel about the classic Rodney Dangerfield movie Back to School?
>>70015310
i just really dont like her acting.
>>70015745
your waifu a shit. jadzia #1.
>>70014232
Delete this.
A ship as legendary as the Aventine needs a captain like Ezri
>>70016027
Could Odo shapeshift into a towel?
Why are trills sexier than normal humans to yo.
When i was at school, so many years ago, there was this girl who had these nasty neck and shoulder scars that would make Al Capone weep.
she got these from riding into a barbed wired fence.
when i was about 16, and horny as fuck, i would always think about nuzzling the fuck out of them, and kissing them.
the girl was alright, a bit iffy in the head and a twig body, but those scars and her jet black hair just made me cum rivers.
the trill marks do the same thing to me, famalams
>>70016027
Jadzia a shit
Random Trill from Insurrection was better
>>70016188
>that ship
Good lord.
Ezri is getting cringier by the second.
Script Notes for DS9 Season 7
>One, Ezri needs to be quirkier, nebbishier, and have access to all her previous hosts' memories and abilities.
>Two, whenever Ezri's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Ezri"?
>Three, every character wants to have sex with Ezri.
>>70013729
Trek can and should have moments of silliness, basically. Evil time-traveling Nazi lizard men from the future are par for the course.
>>70013938
I don't know what Dragon's Egg is, so...
>>70016188
I really don't understand the paintjob on these STO ships.
Fed ships are always uniformly grey.
>>70016362
>poochie rules for Ezri
you need to stopgod damn, i would kiss the shit out of those face freckles
>>70016567
I really hope that Trek never panders to the SJW crowd and stops featuring Nazis.
>>70016634
>Ezri can now utilize her Joranself tulpa to become a better criminal investigator than even Odo
You go, Trillfriend! Smash that Jadziarchy!
>>70016262
Give it a monochrome paintjob and it's a pretty great looking ship. Sort of a less-tubby Intrepid class.
I can only assume the paintjob is because Ezri is 'holds up spork' the character
>>70016785
>it's an Ezri runs a tumblr Social Justice blog episode
>it's an Ezri finds out O'Brien is in the English Defense League episode
>>70011177
So it boils down to the "Gene Roddenberry is rolling in his grave" argument. God you purist faggots are obnoxious
>>70016848
>holds up spork
hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up hypospray*
my name is bashir but u can call me ju1i@n!!!!!!!! lol...as u can see im very adventurous!!!! thats why i came to the wild frontier, 2 meet wilderness ppl like me ^_^... im 27 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 read isolinear rods w/ my cardassianfreind (im openminded if u dont like it deal w/it chief) its our favorite lunchtime pastime!!! bcuz its SOOOO fascinating!!!! hes a spy of course but i want 2 meet more exciting ppl especially symbiotic slugs =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol...neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!! (but thats not an order chief)
MMEEDDIICCIINNEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein mysterious and enigmatic again ^_^ hehe...toodles!!!!!
love and tarkalean tea,
D0c70r Ju1i@n $ub@70i B@$hir
>>70016027
you realize your waifu has fucked like half the men in the Alpha Quadrant don't you?
>>70000000
>>69999999
>>70017077
>female sexuality is bad
Maybe Star Trek is the wrong franchise for you.
>>70016887
>it's and "O'Brien is working with the IRA to blow DS9" episode
>>70016887
>O'Brien is in the English Defense League
But Colm is a hardcore Irish nationalist.
>>70016685
>modern Star Trek
>TNG and DS9 don't feature Nazi-loving aliens
>TNG and DS9 are considered top-notch Trek
>VOY and ENT do feature Nazi-loving aliens
>VOY and ENT are considered bottom-of-the-barrel rubbish that got Star Trek canceled
It only worked in the sixties.
>>70017124
That was a good one
>>70017104
Hey there Schlomo!
>>70016027
she blanda up though
>>70016603
STO is still an MMO and has to cater to the MMO crowd; as well, it's managed by Cryptic, the guys who did City of Heroes and City of Villains, two MMOs that were famous for their sheer focus on character customization.
Although the Klingons really need more options on that front...
>>70016966
I'm not one to hold up Gene as infallible; he had a number of strange or even outright bad ideas. You don't need to look much further than TNG Season 1 for that. Plus Gene Roddenberry hated Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country, and wanted the whole movie de-canonized. Thankfully he died before he could do anything to advance that idea, since Trek VI is my favorite Trek.
But at its core Star Trek is supposed to be optimistic and better. If that's missing, then it's not really Trek. It might have Klingons and phasers, but like I said, that's just window dressing.
Imagine a Warhammer 40,000 where the Imperium is winning all its wars, or a Die Hard movie with a straight-laced no-nonsense protagonist. Something is just *missing*.
>>70017180
It doesn't matter if it works or not, I simply don't want them to limit their options because it triggers some faggots.
>>70017210
chills everytime
>>70017180
The Cardassians are such obvious stand-ins for the Nazis that I'm not really sure that they don't count as Nazi-loving aliens for the purposes of this discussion.
>>70017104
>it's a some faggot confuses sexuality with promiscuity episode
There is no character in the entire franchise even 1/10th the slut that Jadzia is, not even Kirk
>>70017249
>But at its core Star Trek is supposed to be optimistic and better. If that's missing, then it's not really Trek.
Except this argument doesn't hold weight when criticizing DS9. Yes it's darker, relatively speaking. But it's still an optimistic vision of the future, just not the naive flawless humanity of Roddenberry's vision.
Naysayers always bring up Section 31 but they're a minuscule part of the show, literally who cares. It's nitpicking at it's worst. What matters is that DS9 is a great show, and every argument I've heard to the contrary is nothing but autismal nitpicking
>>70017295
they're more like the soviets, fanatic footsoldiers led by juden
>>70017249
DS9 is pretty optimistic. The pessimism comes from from Enterprise and the TNG movies ignoring or retconning it.
Sure DS9 has the shadowy Section 31, but its only member is a known liar who might be exaggerating their importance. What's more, every character introduced to the concept voices opposition or tries to fight it (even Ross). The Federation is inherently good and will try excise any evil inside it, DS9 tells us. If Enterprise tells us that Sloan isn't a liar, then blame Enterprise.
Sure DS9 has a war, but it leads to a new era of unprecedented galactic peace and cooperation. That's just as Star Trekky as TOS saying that World War III led to a new era of planetary peace and cooperation. Life has its ups and downs but will still work its way towards peace and prosperity, DS9 tell us. If the TNG movies tell us to ignore all that, then blame the TNG movies.
Don't blame DS9 for things that happened outside of DS9.
>>70017418
>every Combs character is now a jew
thats alot of jews
>>70017407
>>70017537
>ds9fag reaching this level of damage control
>>70017537
how are Enterprise and the TNG movies retconning DS9?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3eCyBhxZc0
;_;
>>70017608
If this is the level of counterargument that you're reduced to, then even you must know that your position isn't worth arguing anymore.
>>70002425
I think she was a changeling.
The one Borg episode of ENT was more well done than any of VOY's.
>>70017670
Sorry, I meant ignoring DS9 and retconning TOS.
>Humanity rose from the ashes of WWIII to embark upon a new future of--
>WELL NO ACKSHULLY IT WAS FIRST CONTACT THAT SAVED HUMANITY, BUT EVEN THEN THERE WAS THE POST-ATOMIC HORROR WHICH FOLLOWED...
>>70002425
>>70017846
I think DS9 had to drop her when she was hired to be on Voyager.
>>70017888
blame TNG's first episode for that one, dipshit
>>70017888
To be fair, that actually makes more sense.
Even Voyager somewhat retconned TOS with that Future Tense episode.
Where the fuck was the Eugenetic War?
>>70017939
I'm blaming the movies.
The PAH wasn't after first contact until the movie placed first contact before the PAH.
>>70017955
Voyager was a mistake.
They should just let Star Trek be the story of a fictional universe instead of trying to insist that OUR world might someday become the reality of Star Trek.
>>70018113
Well there are two points of departure that have already passed: for one, Star Trek takes place in the universe where the tv show Star Trek doesn't exist
Secondly, it takes place in a universe where things are almost exactly the same but Biology fundamentally works differently. About 2/3 of Trek episodes involve biology so bullshit it is completely incompatible with reality
>>70018211
Brannon Braga isn't canon.
>>70017407
> literally who cares
When you present the idea that the Federation wouldn't be able to exist without Section 31, and then never do anything to disprove that, then everyone should care. Every Trekkie, anyway.
When you devote a significant arc of your show to a long, drawn-out war and have that war won not by the triumph of the Federation's ideals (which, as Section 31 establishes, are based on a lie) but rather by simply being better at killing people than your enemy is, then every Trekkie should care.
>What matters is that DS9 is a great show
Leaving aside tonal issues, it really isn't. I've tried watching it and more than anything else it is BORING. Everything I watch in that show, I already saw in another show - Babylon 5 -and I saw it done better, more succinctly, with more focus, better characters, actual consequence for actions (RE: why DS9 "Blood Oath" is terrible, above) and somehow on top of all of that, it managed to do it while being more true to Trek's version of humanity than Trek itself was being.
I don't ask that humans be flawless in Trek. I do ask that they try to be better, though.
>>70017537
>but its only member is a known liar who might be exaggerating their importance.
Not once is this implied by the show itself, however. And it doesn't matter how the Federation members we see react to Section 31 or what they try to do; the Section still exists by the end of Deep Space 9, and the implication across its episodes is that the only reason the Federation was ever able to exist at all is because of them. Even the Dominion War is won in part because of a genetic virus made by the Section to infect Founders.
Again, superior killing ability, not Federation ideals, won the Dominion War. And that is the very antithesis of Star Trek.
>>70018044
>he doesnt remember the psuedo mongolian trial that showed the PAH in Encounter at Farpoint
>>70018335
I remember that.
But it was First Contact which established that those trials were after first contact.
>>70017005
10/10
To continue with another point...
>That's just as Star Trekky as TOS saying that World War III led to a new era of planetary peace and cooperation.
Wrong. World War III lead to a lot of people dying - 800 million, and every major city on Earth in ruins. What lead to a new era of planetary peace and cooperation was the Phoenix's flight and first contact with Vulcans. World War III was actually technically *still going on* when Cochrane made his flight, and he made said flight completely independently of any government or faction involved in WWIII.
The only good thing that came away from World War III was that humanity was so exhausted from fighting each other that it was willing to form the United Earth government. But 800 million dead seems like a steep price to pay for that.
>>70017888
The post-atomic horror comes from TNG's first episode.
>>70017955
Future Tense does explicitly take place in an altered timeline thanks to that timeship crashing, so it's possible that within that timeline the Eugenics Wars didn't happen, but then everything was fixed when Voyager was sent back to the future.
Alternatively, we do see a model of the Botany Bay in one person's office. Like I said upthread, I think the Eugenics Wars of 1992-96 probably took place in Africa, India, and southeast Asia, and America's involvement was limited.
>>70018282
It goes beyond Braga though. Obviously stuff like Threshold and the Spider-Barclay episode are the most famous instances, but the fundamental problem stems from a lack of understanding about how Evolution actually operates and what it is. It's like they conceive of Evolution as something that can happen to an individual organism on the scale of their own body, and you can thus 'evolve' or 'devolve' or 'program' people.
The idea that 90% of species can interbreed and are bipedal because 'this ancient race programmed all the humanoids to develop like this' is a galaxy-wide error, though it is necessary for plot purposes.
>>70018300
>Not once is this implied by the show itself, however.
They don't need to imply that Sloan is a liar when they show us that Sloan is a liar. You spend all your time searching for subtext, but you somehow missed the text.
>the Section still exists by the end of Deep Space 9
DS9 ends with the only known member of Section 31 dead. If Section 31 exists outside of Sloan, DS9 is not the one which confirms that. You're thinking of books or Enterprise or something else.
>>70018501
I'm not complaining about the PAH's existence. I'm noting that it wasn't AFTER first contact until First Contact said so. First Contact changed the story of how Earth grew up.
>>70001858
Go watch one of the Season 1/2 episodes. She was hot as fuck.
>>70018590
>thinking that Sloan actually died
>>70002483
It's incredibly unlikely since Romulans have a history of xenophobia and extreme loyalty to their empire. The best you would get is maybe an ambassador.
>>70018371
i've never gotten that impression, i think everything implies that shit happened befroe ww3/eugenics wars
>>70003025
Babylon 5?
I used to see that one regular television and even as a kid I was like "eugh....not Star Trek."
>>70018543
Oi, the Preservers are awesome. Don't diss the Preservers.
>Imagine being a race of incredibly advanced beings with the capability of exploring everywhere in the Galaxy... and being all alone. Then imagine deciding to take your advanced technology and using it to create lifeforms shaped after you and then going into a long cryogenically-aided sleep, hoping your experiments will work. And then, imagine waking from that sleep and seeing your creations finding you, learning that your experiments succeeded. And then - instead of acting malevolently towards them - calling them your "children" and joining with them to see how the galaxy has progressed, because you left it for your "children" to have. Now that is the definition of a Benevolent Precursor.I hope that somewhere in the Galaxy there's another Preserver Archive...
>>70018665
>thinking that Sloan was real in the first place
He was just a Section 31 holoprogram. All of Bashir's adventures with them were just a Section 31 training program.
>>70017861
Except for Flox discovering the cure for assimilation and everyone forgetting about it for the future.
>>70018730
Preservers were the Native American savers, Progenitors were the DNA people.
>thinking that they're one and the same
Go back to Memory Beta.
>>70009013
I've watched this shit so many times that it's hard to re-watch episodes anymore. With the so-so or bad ones it's basically impossible.
>>70018665
What, he beamed out of getting his fucking brain fried and dying on an operating table?
>>70018747
>thinking that the entirety of the events in the Star Trek Universe aren't simply holodeck programs enjoyed by the Reg Barclays of that world
>>70018823
It's canon that all of Star Trek takes place in the head of a deranged writer in the 1960s
>>70012577
I can see Kim doing that but Seven of Nine constantly disagreed with Janeway.
>>70018590
>They don't need to imply that Sloan is a liar when they show us that Sloan is a liar.
What I mean is, DS9 never once suggests that Section 31 as a whole is a lie. In fact quite the opposite; Sloan has access to far too many contacts and resources for it to be feasible for him to be acting alone. Thinking othewise is grasping.
>>70018590
>First Contact changed the story of how Earth grew up.
Not really...it's not like it would have been reasonable to expect that Earth just instantly comes together once First Contact happens.
>>70018705
First Contact was in 2063; the episode "Encounter at Farpoint" suggests that Q's courtroom resembles the kangaroo courts of the 2079.
However it's entirely possible that Q's Kangaroo Court isn't necessarily representative of Earth's general political climate by the 2070s/2080s. After all, it's not like all of Earth right now resembles Somalia or North Korea.
>>70012577
Is it explained how the Ocampa survived past the power going out?
>>70018823
>Thinking that Star Trek isn't just actors on a set beamed to your living room
>>70018783
Okay, if you want to have a canon fight, then I'm gonna have to point out that the first humanoids of "The Chase" actually are never given a name on-screen, so calling them "Proginators" is wrong.
Second, right now CBS holds the license for Star Trek and gets to decide what is and is not canon. In both the STO video game and the Novels, both of which are overseen by CBS, it's been confirmed that the Preserves and the first humanoids from The Chase are the same.
So...nyeh, take that, I guess.
>>70018970
Enterprise actually addressed this in one of the first season episodes. Hoshi asks why the hell they chose to make first contact in Bozeman, Montana when it clearly would have created resentment and suspicion from other nations. Basically telling T'Pol that it was a mistake.
>>70018998
As part of a Kazon child sex ring.
>>70019052
Yeah but T'Pol invented velcro, she doesn't give a fuck.
>>70019042
It's some really stupid shit, famalam.
>We progenitors left your galaxy billions of years ago so that you could do your own stuff in peace.
>Just kidding, we preservers were still meddling with all your shit just a few hundred years ago.
The difference between "hundreds" of years and "billions" of years should be apparent to anyone with a semblance of common sense.
>>70018766
yeah,that was total bullshit
should have let flox die
>>70018970
When you find out that someone is a habitual liar, do you not start to suspect that their other statements might be lies as well?
>>70019052
Which episode was this? I don't recall it, but I also have today off and like Enterprise.
>Hoshi asks why the hell they chose to make first contact in Bozeman, Montana
Off the top of my head, though, the obvious answer to this is that a conflict with 800 million people dead isn't exactly going to leave any nation in any real position of power. For the record, for example, World War II "only" had 60 million dead, about 3% of the 1940 population of 2.3 billion.
Assuming that human population stabilized at around 9.6 billion by 2050 (as it's expected to), then 800 million dead would be 8.3% of the world's population, or nearly three times as deadly a conflict as World War II.
With "every major city" in ruins by that point and every government in shambles, contact with any location is as good as any other location. No matter where you land you're gonna raise suspicions; if anything landing exactly where the Phoenix took off from is the least suspicious thing they could have done.
>>70019218
>it's a Gregory "Jamake Highwater" Markopoulos episode
>>70019218
Again, it's not about what Sloan did. It's about the resources he was demonstrated as having access to. I have an advantage Bashir didn't: I'm on the other side of the 4th wall looking in.
>>70017306
What about Lwaxana Troi?
>>70019262
That number is way too low in reality.
>>70018766
Same BS reason he let a species die of a plague because he saw them as a dead end compared to the other near sentients
Phlox worst doctor of all trek
if the holodeck gets invented before the warp drive, how fucked are we?
>>70019262
It's the episode where some guy is poisoning people in a pre-industrial society and Archer gets freaky with the apothecary for a little bit.
>>70019350
Lwaxana 8/10 gilf, would fuck soft and tender
>>70018970
>Not really...it's not like it would have been reasonable to expect that Earth just instantly comes together once First Contact happens
Maybe FC and the voyage home create the timeline where JJtrek happens (it starts off different with kirk being born on a ship and not in the midwest, with different technology too)
>>70019508
Warp drive is already in the conceptual stages.
The closest thing we have to the holodeck right now is those VR beer goggles like the oculus rift.
>>70019363
Well, Sci-Fi writers are generally bad at scale, though at least in this case they're not *very* wrong since it still gives us a conflict that, even adjusted for inflation, is far deadlier than World War II.
It depends a bit on the nature of the nuclear exchange. It's also possible that the 800 million refers solely to war-dead (soldiers and civilians killed in direct combat or strike actions) and does not take into account things like people who died from radiation, famine, or exposure after the nuclear exchange.
>>70019556
That's Gene's wife if you didn't know already.
>Its a "Garak gets away with murdering several Starfleet officers because he was high on space drugs" episode
>>70019614
he obviously wasnt using her when DS9 rolled around
>>70019571
Oh and here's the concept design.
Looks nifty.
>>70018970
You're applauding First Contact for pessimistically making Star Trek more realistic, but deriding DS9 for pessimistically making Star Trek more realistic? I think you might have an agenda.
>>70019562
well, if ENT is the only show that happened in jj trek, then the Borg shit from FC would still be around
>>70019571
>60s meme drive is already in the conceptual stages.
>>70019508
Very.
>>70019768
It happened, but happened differently than what we saw.
>>70019521
Oh I remember that episode! That introduced Dular Garos and the Malurians, both of whom are in the current "Rise of the Federation" novels, which are the exception to what I said about the novel-verse above.
The "Rise of the Federation" novels are FANTASTIC. They are Trek written by a guy who just seems to fundamentally GET Trek; he also wrote the Star Trek Titan book "Orion's Hounds", which may be my favorite piece of modern science fiction *period*, never mind my favorite Trek book.
Seriously, read. You won't regret.
>>70019562
No, the change in JJ Trek is Spock and Nero traveling back in time. This is established in the movie. First Contact was all about *preserving* the timeline, whereas Voyage Home had no impact on the timeline because it wasn't that kind of movie.
>>70019783
That's just what it's getting called because of Star Trek. It's really some sort of FTL drive.
>>70019820
I thought Scotty showed some guy some sort of advanced engineering technology and when asked about it he basically went "eh fuck it what's the worst that can happen?"
>>70019808
well, jj trek starts when prime Spock accidentallys Romulas and travels back to when kirks dad gets his shit pushed in.
id think its safe to say everything before that happened.
leaves FC in a weird spot, seeing as Picard and riker might never have fucked with first contact if the jj movies fuck it up.
forgive me, it's 5am and im watching Gotham
>>70019604
A Cold war study done in Britain found that a limited exchange would result in a complete breakdown of infrastructure and that would be to blame for 90% of the deaths.
They figured out that the island can support a population of 8 million based on the available farmland, today the population is 64 million. It was called "Square Leg" and Threads is based on that data.
That can probably be applied to most of Europe too.
The death toll would be in the billions, especially if China, India and Pakistan start throwing their arsenals at each other.
>>70019614
That's the computer voice if you didn't already know.
>>70019795
I have a rant I could do about Andorians and Rule 34, but none of you want to hear it.
>>70019719
First Contact doesn't make the Trek universe in any way pessimistic. If anything it adds in a hope spot into what was otherwise, prior to the movie, believed to be a ceaselessly dark and morbid time. All we knew about the late 21st century in Trek lore before First Contact was that it was a terrible place of death and Kangaroo Courts. First Contact showed us that it wasn't all bad, that things started getting better. it took some time, but it happened.
Deep Space Nine showed us that when you have an enemy, you better kill 'em. Kill 'em fast and kill 'em hard and don't be afraid to use biological weapons against them, either. It's all they deserve.
>>70019950
Like I said: it had no impact on the timeline, because it wasn't that kind of movie.
Also if you're curious the novel makes it explicit that Scotty actually knows that he *was* the guy who invented transparent aluminum, and giving him the formula simply sets up a stable time loop.
Personally, though, I rather prefer to just think of the timeline as being generally "entrenched". You can change little details, but time has a tendency to flow the way it was going to anyway. Who specifically invented transparent aluminum just isn't that important to time.
>>70020039
China, Pakistan, and india could easily rack up 800million deaths in a war between them.
A depressed america that collapsed on its own from the small government meme could explain FC's earth
>>70020039
That's assuming that Britain is directly involved in the limited exchange; however, if Britain only takes a hit to, say, London, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast, Yorkshire, and...oh, let's toss in Birmingham and Leeds...I think you'll find its chances improve dramatically.
>>70020039
There also might have been a distinct Sino-Indian or Indian-Pakistani nuclear war earlier or later that was not directly part of World War III. Remember that we know absolutely nothing about the war save its death toll and the fact that America was involved.
>>70019700
It really should be named "Enterprise".
>>70020160
Before FC humanity got better on its own. After FC, we needed Vulcans to save us. You're applauding pessimism.
Gene BTFO.
>>70019783
It's called an Alcubierre drive and it theoretically possible. The reason why it will never be built is that a single journey would require a stars worth of energy.
>>70020625
>we needed Vulcans to save us
Enterprise actually made it explicit that the Vulcans did *not* help us, beyond some basic humanitarian aid (or whatever you'd like to call it given that they're not human).
In fact I'm gonna dig up a little gem...
>Soval: We don't know what to do about Humans. Of all the species we've made contact with, yours is the only one we can't define. You have the arrogance of Andorians, the stubborn pride of Tellarites. One moment, you're as driven by your emotions as Klingons, and the next, you confound us by suddenly embracing logic.
>Forrest: I'm sure those qualities are found in every species.
>Soval: Not in such confusing abundance.
>Forrest: Ambassador...are Vulcans afraid of Humans? Why?
>Soval: Because there is one species you remind us of.
>Forest: Vulcans.
>Soval: We had our wars, Admiral, just as Humans did. Our planet was devastated, our civilization nearly destroyed. Logic saved us. But it took almost fifteen hundred years for us to rebuild our world and travel to the stars. You Humans did the same in less than a century.
I wonder why Guinan hasn't said something about the timeline change. She was on Earth to meet Mark Twain, she is alive during JJ Trek.
>>70020761
She can sense the change in the timeline, but she can't necessarily do anything about it. She also only ever has a *sense* of something being wrong and occasional flashes of how things should be, not an encyclopedic knowledge of what the other timeline is supposed to be.
>>70020803
Yes, but like you said, she still knows that something is up with the timeline.
>>70020942
Yeah, but but what can she DO about it? I mean, granted, time travel can be done in the Trek universe, but she'd probably have to steal a starship to do it, as well as a crew for that ship, as well as actually figure out the mechanics (it's more complicated than just "fly around a sun really fast", there's math involved), and so on and so forth. And all this is on top of the idea that maybe it's possible for the timeline to "settle" in some way and become the "correct" one to her senses.
>>70021047
The Mark Twain episode implied that her father has some sort of authority on her world, surely a message can be sent to Starfleet.
>>70021125
"Hey, timeline's wrong."
"Uh...you got proof?"
"I've got a feeling."
"But not proof?"
"No."
"Then fuck off, we've got Klingons to deal with."
>>70020160
>I have a rant I could do about Andorians and Rule 34, but none of you want to hear it.
I do.
>>70018859
This entirely
>>70020754
>DS9 does something ambiguous, Enterprise makes it pessimistic
>you blame DS9
>First Contact does something pessimistic, Enterprise makes it ambiguous
>you don't blame First Contact
Wew.
I understand that the following is a grave and horrendous insult, so please understand that I don't make it lightly: You look like you get your information from Memory Alpha and not from actually watching, because you treat all Star Trek as if it was written, produced and broadcasted simultaneously.
>>70019415
>He still considers evolution a theory
>He doesn't believe in letting natural events take their course
>He probably be doesn't have multiple spouses with their own multiple spouses
What a throwback.
>>70021125
plausibly her father/her homeworld have been assimilated by tos era, maybe soran can come back in a nu trek movie trying to alter the timeline with the nexus tho
>>70021929
>Enterprise makes it pessimistic
DS9 made it pessimistic when the Alpha Quadrant won the Dominion War thanks to a mutagenic virus developed by Section 31, thereby proving Sloan correct.
>First Contact does something pessimistic
Calling any part of First Contact pressimistic requires you to deliberately pull the wool over your eyes in both a metaphoric and literal sense.
This is the movie where Zefram Cochrane flies into space while listening to Steppenwolf. It is not pessimistic in the slightest.
>because you treat all Star Trek as if it was written, produced and broadcasted simultaneously.
Actually where I'm coming from is having watched TOS and TNG simultaneously when growing up (both being on the air at the time, the former in re-runs and the latter as it was being broadcast), and seeing the various movies as well either simultaneously or as they came out. Then I kind of drifted away from Trek for awhile and watched Babylon 5 instead of Deep Space 9, as the latter never caught my interest at all. Then when B5 ended I drifted away from sci-fi in general before Star Wars Episode I came out, which got me back into it. NetFlix didn't really exist yet, though, so I didn't have it.
Then I watched Enterprise and loved it, but its cancellation and, worse, the rejoicing that many Trek fans did, made me drift away from Trek again, although no sci-fi in general this time.
Then the 2009 Trek came out, and while I didn't particularly like it I did like that for the briefest moment it seemed like TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY had all been wiped from continuity but ENT remained. There was much saltiness in the air those days, and I relished it.
Then I finally got a NetFlix account and watched DS9 and VOY. And honestly, VOY was bad, but DS9 was boring, and of the two the latter is by far the worse sin for any media to commit since the first job of a movie, TV show, book, whatever, is to put butts in seats and keep them there.
And that's my history with Trek.
>>70000771
I would say, watch all the films with the original crew, then watch TNG, then watch DS9. In terms of rating them:
DS9 (S04+) > TNG > DS9 (S01 - S03) > TOS
That said, perhaps it's best to start with TOS but I prefer TOS films to the series. And although DS9 is clearly the best Picard is obviously the best captain.
Voyager and Enterprise both have their moments.
>>70022281
For those keeping score, by the way, this means that my watching order was TOS/TNG > ENT > DS9/VOY, with me finishing VOY before I finished DS9.
My movie watch order was Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, Voyage Home, Final Frontier, Undiscovered Country, Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, Nemesis, Star Trek: The Motion Picture (yes, it wasn't until after NEM that I saw Trek I), and then the JJ films in order of release.
Around the time Into Darkness came out is when I started playing Star Trek Online.
I'd read two or three TOS-era novels prior to ENT being released but only started reading the novels recently, and am mostly focused on following the ENT novels and the Star Trek Titan novels.
Oh, and I've seen two or three Animated Series episodes. In particular, "The Slaver Weapon", i.e., the one with the Kzinti.
>yfw all Ezrifags are complete beta pedophiles
>>70022485
Final bit of qualification, favorite episodes per series:
TOS: "Balance of Terror"
TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise"
DS9: "Move Along Home"
VOY: "Blink of an Eye"
ENT: "The Andorian Incident"
>>70020636
It's called a warp drive
>>70022281
Nice blog. Now leave. You're ruining this thread.
>>70023702
If you stopped being a cunt all the time, you might actually make some irl friends.
>show up to a Trek thread
>it's a "man with a tome of opinions" episode
>>70022281
>the rejoicing that many Trek fans did
Was there actually that much rejoicing? I recall hearing much more about fans actually raising money to get a fifth season.
>show up to a Trek thread
>it's dead
>not phase shifted
>not kidnapped by Romulans
>not replaced by Cardassians
>not assimilated by the Borg
>not stuck in a transporter buffer
>not whisked away by Q
>just dead
>>70024094
it's just resting
>>70022281
>>70022485
>>70022716
It's about time that serious people showed up to these threads and posted in-depth backgrounds of their history with Trek to bolster their opinions. You've added a lot of much-needed depth to this thread. Thank you, sir (or ma'am), and good work. Live long and prosper. .\\//
Why must O'Brien suffer?
>>70022716
>DS9: "Move Along Home"
Nice bait.
>>70022204
that would be dope.
soran comes back from the nexus scarred and mangled because some subspace glitch caused it to be the mirror nexus.
starfleet intercepts him in the beta quadrant creating a massive weapon that would harness the black hole at the senter of the galaxy using verteron particles to create a giant wormhole.
this wormhole could be shifted into various regions surrounding the galaxy's black hole like a solid tube tethered to a pole.
entire planets get pulled into the center of the galaxy by this wormhole.
starfleet has to team up with the usual baddies (romulans / reemans, klingons, gem harad) and search out soran's locatoin after they find his based evacuated.
maybe a kirk comes back subplot since shtners till alive (something about omega particles maybe)
Where's this "war" I keep hearing about in DS9? It's completely episodic so far.
>>70024551
100 % agreed.
Let the Trekkis rejoice! :D
>we need more threads where people tell their Trek history, it's fun
riddle me this Star Trek nerds.
Were there ever any of your traditional little grey man & flying saucers in Star Trek?
