could someone without meme speak explain the hodor scene why did he have a seizure that made him end up saying hold door?
>>69924013
Bran was in his head and they were both hearing things in the present/past and the future. All in Hodor's head. It fried his brain.
>>69924013
I'm not convinced it was time travel.
I think Hodor was just a greenseer and saw his own death at 10 years old. It fried his brain.
>>69924013
It's fucking magic man.
>>69924376
so bran took possession of holdor in the present yet he was still in the past whaaaa?
>>69924661
He took him while he was in the past, yes. Didn't you see the episode.
>warging back in time fucking with past timelines
>how did it fuck up someone in a past timeline
I mean, it's not hard to see....
Also magic, don't gotta explain shit.
>>69924661
oh i think i get it now he posessed hodor while in the past witch made him present hodor and that somehow changed his perception in the past or something idkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
>>69924557
This
>>69924013
It's a tv show you fucking simpleton. Eat your shit and shut your cunt mouth.
The writers are awful and they got so confused at their shitty writing they decided that it should confuse Hodor so hard he turns into a retard.
>>69924867
>just shut off youre brain bro XD
>>69924944
hold the door was martins idea since book one m80
>>69924944
Actually that came straight from GRRM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Jsj9V_Aqg
around 5 min in.
>>69924983
>turning off your brain for a show made for the dumbest of dumbest cunts
How fucking braindead are you?
>>69924554
/thdr
This is correct.
>>69924013
Anta baka?
>>69925086
>/r/iamverysmart
dang bud what's youre iq
The main thing to remember is that Hodor's life is eternal torture. He is constantly racked with the knowledge he is doomed to be shredded by ice zombies, a knowledge that turns his brain to useless mush. And then he is forced to carry the person that will feed him to the undead around, wandering here and there until the moment he dies, yelling the same lame shit he has his whole life. And after he 'dies', then it starts all over again.
"Hodor" had been a happy enough lad living in Winterfell, then Bran pops in from the future and ruins him forever.
>old guy tells bran to listen
>bran hears meera
>bran wargs present hodor and starts running
>bran loses concentration
>accidentally wargs into vision hodor
>fucks him up
>>69925054
MAYBE, but I can guarantee that isn't how it happens.
>>69925403
i sure hope so
I was bummed out by Hodor's bum deal, but I couldn't stop laughing while he was stroking out.
>>>/wsg/1095910
>>69925403
I imagine it'll be similar enough. Maybe book version will have Hodor "hold the door" but fighting off enemies trying to get through a doorway versus actually keeping a door closed.
All in all it'll end the same way thematically, with Hodor's initial trauma being feedback from future instructions or Bran's warg control in the past turning into a repeating instruction throughout his life.
>>69924661
I think he was in the past the whole time, the present hodor was hodor himself
Bran just gave him courge or woke him up or something so he would help escaping.
If bran had control of hodor that means bran was the one holding the door and not hodor himself who made the sacrfice
that means he killed hodor without his consent
>>69924013
Why the fuck did the old man and bran warg in the first place when they knew they were being attacked? I could understand if the old man had one last important vision to show bran, but they were just fucking around in the courtyard of Winterfell. Why were they there in the first place?
>>69924826
>idkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Are you underage or just a fucking mouthbreather? Who fucking talks like this?
No wonder why you didn't understand the fucking episode.
>>69926308
twinks and women talk like that.
>>69926258
the raven knew about how hodor gets fucked up in the first place, and he needed bran to be there to cause it. without hodor being hodor, they never would've gotten to the cave in the first place, or made it out
>>69926410
Yep.
That's why Bloodraven was telling Bran to listen to his friend when Meera was saying to "warg into Hodor".
HOW THE FUCK DID SOMETHING GO FROM BRAN'S EARS TO BRAN'S MIND PALACE TO HODOR'S MIND PALACE TO WYLLIS MIND-PALACE TO DRIVE HIM MAD
IT
MAKES
NO
SENSE
>>69926647
Inception
>>69925361
this 100%
the same Bran warged into present Hodor, but then accidentally warged into past Hodor
This caused a link between the two Hodors that drove past Hodor insane, with fear and dread and all that.
>>69924013
Ugh you faggots are so stupid Brandon injected young hodor with 1 task and that is to hold the fucking door. Hodor didn't know what he was supposed to do until his last moments. It was all unfolding, like fate.
I thought they could just see shit that trees had and not just wander anywhere and interact with things.
There's a weirwood like 5 seconds from winterfell cuckie
>Brann wargs into past Hodor
>Literally in complete control
>Gives command "Hold the door"
>Command makes no sense, breaks Hodor's mind
>Now permanently in the submissive state of being warged into with his primary directive as "Hold the door" but also willing to do anything else he's told
>Back to present, hold the door is finally possible
>Holds the door
>Mission complete, Brann no longer in his head, warg state ends
>Regains his mind just as he dies horribly
>>69926349
*posts le epic wehrmacht soldier to show how manly he is*
>>69927057
it wasn't bran saying to hold the door dumbass
>>69924013
WHY DIDN'T BRAN WARG INTO JOFFREY DURING HIS FATHER EXECUTION AND MAKE HIM RETARDED?
>>69927094
Yeah but last I checked Meera wasn't a time traveler or a warg. She yelled at Bran and he gave the command
Brann warged into past Hodor to connect to current hodor
That means everything present hodor is experiencing past hodor experiences too, that includes memories and everything Hodor has been through in his life is being streamlined into past hodor in a few seconds with the repeating command "hold the door"
this completely fries his brain
>>69924013
>bran and raven doing vision walk
>bran and raven hear meera yelling for bran to warg hodor
>raven tells bran to warg hodor
>bran wargs hodor in the presnt
>night king kills raven
>bran alone doing a vision walk with out supervision
>hears what's going on around his body
>he's focused on vision hodor
>a connection is made between vision bran and vision hodor
>vision hodor hears what bran hears, probably what hodor in the present is feeling/seeing/hearing
>his brain can't handle it and gets fried creating hodor in the past
>>69927169
That's why it doesn't make sense, it's supposed to be as if Hodor heard it through Bran, then lil-hodor heard that too when he was warged into
>>69926647
It was clearly shown that Bran has some sort of power over the past.
You can see how young Ned turns around when Bran calls his name.
Bran can now apparently warg into people in the past and control them in the present. Effectively melting their brains.
But as Bloodraven said, the past is the past and the ink is dry so I'm assuming Bran won't do it to anyone else since we don't have any other Hodor-like characters walking around.
The most tragic part about the scene is when his mother rushes to him and sees him twitching, not understanding what's happened, and Bran is just standing there knowing that he can never explain to them why he fell and that it was because of him and that even if he could find all those people who are all long dead now, even then he wouldn't be able to explain why he had to take her son's life without bursting into tears.
>>69924013
spoiler tag you fucking cunt
>>69926647
>>69927380
>Bran can now apparently warg into people in the past and control them in the present. Effectively melting their brains.
let's be clear about this. I doubt bran warged the vision hodor to control the present day hodor. He clearly warged present hodor directly and then made a connection with vision hodor to cause him to get brain fucked.
>>69926189
>Bran just gave him courge or woke him up or something so he would help escaping.
This
webm related, Hodor's eyes arent pale for the whole time but just for a second
"CARMELLA CAN YOU PLEASE HOLD THE DOOOOOOOOOOR?"
>>69927729
>clearly
I wouldn't say clearly anon
>>69927868
I would because present hodor was warged way before vision hodor even reacted to anything.
>>69924013
He used past Hodor as a proxy to warg into present Hodor, which fried his brain.
>>69927057
This pretty much. He warged into young Hodor and basically fried his brain/traumatised him with a 30 year-long command to hold the door.
>>69927744
Yeah I hope that's the case. I don't like to imagine it was Bran controlling Hodor throughout that entire last scene.
>>69927936
>with a 30 year-long command to hold the door.
OH SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!
>>69927936
I'm refining it.
Bran uses young Hodor as a bridge to old Hodor and gives the command to hold the door.
Because he's the bridge, young Hodor is aware of Bran, the command and old Hodor. His brain gets fried due to both the command and because he feels what his older self is experiencing. I think his seizures are Hodor being attacked by the Wights.
Young Hodor doesn't die, but he's felt his own death in the future and all he heard was 'hold the door' which makes him say that, as well as being given the command to hold the door when the time comes.
>>69928702
Why does past hodor have a scar on his face?
>>69928903
he got kicked in the head by a horse. In the books, that is the reason given for why he says hodor.
>>69925260
Thought there was some interesting foreshadowing for all of this back at the tower of joy, when bran speaks to ned and he appears to hear something. Shows that he can, in fact, interact with people in his little trips.
Something similar happened in one of the books, tree bran says something while ned is sharpening ice in the godswood at winterfell and he looks up but appears to decide it was just the wind.
>>69927246
This is correct, anything else is wrong.
>>69924013
It was a stroke.
>>69924013
What the fuck did he actually learn from Bloodraven? It doesn't seem like he actually accomplished or learned anything of value, and now he has nowhere to go.
>>69929912
he learned
>how to tap into the trees
>how to affect the past
>why the wights are being dicks
Hodor didn't avoid his dark future.
>Bran travels back to the start of the show
>Wargs into himself and doesn't climb the tower to see Jamie and Cersei fucking
>Changes the future
>Bran isn't a cripple
>Ned and everyone else is alive
>Ned says to Bran "Truly it was a Game of Thrones."
>Winks to the Camera
Why is bloodraven so chill with the children of the forest after he found out they made the thing that's killing everyone? Why is bran chill with it after he finds out? Why are they such forest child apologists?
And I read that the first men eventually signed some kind of peace treaty with the children- what happened to the white walkers then?
>>69930237
D&D make this happen please
>>69929912
now he can just find a tree again, go back to the time he is about to touch the tree and get detected by the white walker, keep himself from doing it, than carry on
>thousands of years old species of magic beings being suddenly killed by mere mortal humans who learnt how to put shit together and kill with it
>decide to experiment and create sentient beings capable of ending all life on the planet
>now Bran is supposed to 'learn' from them because they're supposed to be wise
>>69924013
>final episode
>white walkers have destroyed westeros
>the surviving armies engage in a desperate defense of winterfell
>they give bran enough time to transport a few thousand men and women and two dragons into the past
>Bran literally become bran the builder
>they become the first men
pottery
>>69930237
Fund it.
>>69924013
GUYS
GUISE
i figuered it all out
>>69930237
and then come the WW and kill everyone
>>69930385
>>now Bran is supposed to 'learn' from them because they're supposed to be wise
he's not learning from them.
>>69924013
Bran wargs into Past-Hodor.
Bran exists in the present, but his mind is in the past.
Past-Hodor's mind is sent to Present-Hodor.
He follows direction, unaware of what's happening.
Pulls the sled and hold the door.
The totality of his being in that moment is his desire to hold that door.
Present-Hodor dies as Past-Hodor experiences it as well.
Past Hodor's mind returns damaged by the experience.
His mind bears the scar of his dying thoughts.
Hold the door.Your face when you realize Hodor knew. He knew as soon as the entered that tree that he would die there. He didn;t know exactly when, but he knew the end was coming.
>>69930237
>>69930280
>Dany finally reaches Westeros with her massive army
>Gendry or Jaime have beaten Dorne and control all of the southern armies
>Jon and Sansa lead the armies of the north
>all converge on one point
>the three armies stand, ready to fight in a mexican standoff
>Bran sees of a vision of this
>"you have to stop this Bran!"
>cue bran warging into the past and stopping it all from happening
>show ends with a scene where young Dany has managed to make her way to Westeros, begging for safety, and Bran gives her a nod
Bran was in the past, couldn't access present Hodor so he warged into Past Hodor (Walder). Then he used Walder to control Hodor in the cave. Walder could see what was happening but couldn't comprehend it, only understanding the command "Hold the Door". His conciousness that was in Hodor was destroyed and his brain fried as a result.
>>69927388
could you be any more gay?
>>69924013
great now GOT has a fucking time loop thing going on
for fuck's sake
God this time-travelling bullshit just fucking made everything worse since there's only 2 possibilities.
Either Bran is 100% fine with the sequence of events that have happened up to this point, including his family dying and becoming crippled and doesn't bother to change any of it.
Or Bran doesn't actually have the ability to influence the past that much and the Hodor shit was a fluke that was entirely unnecessary from a story-telling standpoint.
>>69930726
then who/what is bloodraven?
So am I being crazy or was the running through the tunnel scene the actors running in place?
>>69931107
some old guy who has the same powers as bran
Name me a story where introducing time travel as a one-time gimmick isnt completely ruined
>>69927744
So how is past Hodor hearing 'Hold the door'
>>69930858
no he didn't, present hodor was the one whose eyes flipped, meaning vision bran controlled present hodor. young hodor was fine until meera started yelling
>>69927084
>doesn't post le epic wehrmacht soldier to show how manly he is
faggot
>>69927246
I think this makes the most sense
>>69930266
They signed the peace to fight the walkers together my man, cue the long night and the last hero.
>>69931215
vision bran either unintentionally warged vision hodor, or made some connection he didn't know he could control, and he's passing on everything he's sensing from warging present time hodor ino vision hodor
>>69924944
Truth.
>>69930385
>create sentient beings capable of ending all life on the planet
>assplode into confetti when touched by Dragonglass
Great doomsday weapon
So the old guy in the tree is acually future Bran?
>>69930760
Has Hodor ever shown any fear or hesitance about entering the tree?
>everybody ignoring that Bran is the man in the tree
>>69931334
it is if you're the only one with dragon glass
>>69931357
not, he was a targ.
>>69924013
>Its a fat kid gets rekt on GoT episode
>>69931284
Imagine being so shit that your last chance at winning ends up fucking you up so badly that you need help from the enemies you sought to destroy with it to destroy it
Oh, the Night King touched you. You gotta go. Get out of my tree. The white walkers are gonna be here soon. Go. But wait, don't go. Let's warg back in time to a completely unrelated scene for a while. You have to "become" me or whatever. Oh shit. I forgot you had to leave.
Wat?
>>69927246
Exactly what I was thinking. I think the same thing probably happened to the Mad King. Bran tried to teach the King of Westeros the horrible future in order to warn him and hopefully save lives but it turned him insane instead.
>book raven (crow) is a semi skeletal dude in tattered crow garb fused with the tree itself
>show is some dude sitting on some roots that looks like he could get up for a shit whenever he fancies
>>69931530
'Burn them all' probably refers to the method used to deal with white walkers
cap this
>>69931404
can't ignore something that isn't true.
>>69931513
bloodraven knows the timeline. He knew bran had to be watching that scene in the past so he could fuck up hodor so that he would be able to warg him in the present so that he could literally hold the door to save him (a long with be his surrogate body to get him to the tree in the first place).
>>69931404
I swear to god, if they pull a garrosh-twilight-zone-boogaloo, I'll fucking kill D&D
>>69931549
what I hate is that they can't stay consistent.
>remember how we made the children this way and the raven that way in season 4/5? Fuck that, let's make them this way for season 6.
>>69931493
Why would they even care at this point?
If anything was left of them after the war with the humans now after thousands of years surely their entire culture and people are gone.
Why not just let the snow zombies eat everyone
>>69931513
>you must become me
Raven = Bran
Bran = Raven
Is Bran a newtype?
>>69931651
don't worry, he's not. Old dude is a targ.
HOLD THE DOOR
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>>69931530
More likely it was the three eyed crow that turned the king mad, Bloodraven is a Targaryen/Blackfyre after all.
Why were bran and holder the same age on the past yet in the present holder is much older?
reminder there is no door in the books at bloodravens location.
hodor being "hold the door" will likely be completely different in the books. hopefully it doesn't include ANY type of fucking time travel.
i'm doubtful though.
>>69931665
Yeah that shit borders on unforgivable. No excuse when your show has millions of dollars backing it.
>>69931709
explanation pls
>>69927057
https://youtu.be/EvzhFcQ0pOA?t=13
That's got to be upsetting.
>>69931596
But that's where time paradoxes fuck things up. Hodor was already Hodor at the time of the episode. Bran could've just warged into present Hodor without going into the past and making him Hodor. It's just a convoluted way of explaining Hodor's Hodoring.
They should have just had Hodor get kicked in the head by a horse or something rather than some unnecessary past warg brain melt.
>>69931692
I dunno, maybe they're not complete pricks?
And they do care for the nature so freezing everything the fuck over would probably hurt some deer.
>>69931935
It's probably mentioned in passing in the irrelevant books
so it's bioshock infinite all over again? time travel shenanigans
Hodor could you please HOLD THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
>>69931935
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brynden_Rivers
a targ bastard
>>69931947
he wouldn't be able to warg into hodor if he had never turned him into hodor in the past.
but I agree with you, it was a weak plot device, but regardless, it's what we got.
>>69925403
You can't guarantee shit
The books are never coming out
Im bad with time travel shit but if he wasnt an idiot he wouldnt have ever been brans servant in the first place? Also am I supposed to even understand what is going on with those asian green things vs the white walkers? where the fuck did that come from.
>>69931947
bran is obviously going to do some closed loop bullshit deus ex machina that saves everyone from the others
fucking retarded and grrm going that route if this entire plot did come from him just annoys me
>>69924013
Bran literally mindfucked him and he got ahegao :3
>>69927057
This made me laugh
>>69931947
But if he had missed that point where he was supposed to turn Hodor into Hodor, wouldn't that be the point where Hodor is no longer Hodor and wouldn't even be there to save him?
>>69925222
The convergence is complete it's official
>we reddit now
>>69932078
reminder: Bran is Brandon Stark, the first stark and builder of the wall
>>69925260
Also having to wipe the paralysed ass of his would be executioner
Hodor was retarded to begin with
So fags need to stop acting like his brain wasn't already fucked
>>69924013
This is what happened: Bran travels back in time as an astral projection. When Meera screams they need Hodor, he somehow magically possess the present Hodor but still remains in the past flashback. For some reason, he manages this by fucking with the past Hodor, which means he can control the future Hodor, but he still isn't actually possessing anyone and is still in the flashback. The past Hodor has a seizure because this shit happening at two points in time fucks his brain. So past Hodor is now retarded, and future Hodor is still possessed but not possessed and is dying to give Bran and Meera a few hundred feet more distance at most.
Welcome to the world of shitty David & D.B. writing.
>>69932127
but hodor is there with them as hodor so that means that ultimately, he did go into the vision and created him. It's all bullshit, just accept it and let it wash over you.
>>69924013
He seen and felt his own death as a child. Probably fucked his brains.
Is Hold the Door order 66 of got universe?
>>69930237
"Ink is dry"
Everything that happened, has to happen :)
>>69931882
Explains why he doesnt wanna just fuck with the past, its too hard to get what you ant done
>>69932136
Upvoted
>>69930937
Ink is dry
You can't change what happened
>>69932319
I vote with my dick
Why didn't Bran go back in time, warg into Ser Ilyn Payne, and use him to kill Joffrey and save his dad?
>>69924013
bran was still warging on hodor while time traveling, so it also affected young willis since bran is a little shit that has more power that what he can actually handle
These fucking hacks are going to goddamn St. Elsewhere this fuckin show aren't they.
>>69929519
bran being able whisper and rustle the leaves is not the same has being able to warg through time and create close time loops.
in the book brans whispering is portrayed as tragic and the ultimate limitation of his power. there is no indication that once he gets more used to using the trees he can warg through time. it's just lazy writing having bran suddenly evolve this power, i hope to god grrm writes in a vastly different manner.
>>69932386
he tried to warg into the mad kings mind trying to tell him he shouldn't burn everyone
we know how it ended
How many doors could a Hodor hold if a Hodor could hold doors
>>69924661
holy fucking shit, does this mean that the theory about Bran being the one who made the Mad King insane might be plausible?
>>69932386
because that didn't happen in the past so he can't change it. All he can do is go back in time and warg joff into killing his dad because that's what happend.
He didn't go back in time and changed it so that hodor became hodor. This would imply that prior to bran going on this vision, willis was a fully functional human. He wasn't. Hodor became hodor that day because of bran. He was and would have always been turned into hodor that day.
Are they North of the Wall? If so, how did they get through it?
>>69931702
Kek'd
>>69932502
plausible? sure. Likely? nah.
>>69932502
Bran could also be God of Light, as he speaks through flames.
Bran is literally Ciri but with mind control on top and D&D are not even subtle about it
>>69932526
spoilers say benjen resuces bran and meera and takes the CB
bran has the mark of the NK on him so this will let the NK destroy the wall and begin the 2nd long night
bravo
>>69931513
/tv/ literally too dumb to understand this but bitch 24/7 about DABID being retarded
>>69932526
don't remember how the show did it, but they were pinned at a tower close the wall one day with people really close to them, and bran warged into hodor for the first time to calm him down. In the books, sam the slayer showed up right on time to let them pass through an underground tunnel.
>>69924554
no GRRM wrote about time travel before and EVERY time was it only councisnes that could travel... just like bran!
>all those autists falling over themselves trying to explain 12 Monkeys-style time travel
It's literally the only kind of time travel that doesn't run into paradoxes, y'all just clinging to flawed metaphysical conceptions of agency.
It was Meera who screamed "Hold the door!". Brann didn't command Hodor (pic related, Hodor's eyes are black), but he accidentally delivered that screaming to the past and it fucked little Hodor's mind.
>>69927084
The pic fits. The soldiers exterior and expertise is tired and of someone who came upon a demoralizing discovery.
Why so upset? You a jew or smth?
>>69924376
>Bran was in his head
Bran was looking onto a scene of his father
>they were both hearing things
Bran was hearing Meera cry for help. One of those cries was for Hodor. In doing so Bran mistakingly looks over and makes direct contact with past Hodor sending him into a seizure with only one demand. Hold the door.
Who has the biggest living peen in GoT now that HTD is ded?
So what do you guys think about the theory that Bran will drive the Mad King mad in the past?
>Burn them all
I can't imagine why he would do that, unless it's just to close a time loop or some bullshit. Would be kinda traumatizing for Bran to see his uncle and grandpa killed by Aerys.
>>69932606
Oh I understand it. Doesn't mean it isn't dumb.
Okay you idiots the white walker guy saw him why? you ask?
the old man in tree was not protecting him
or making him invisible
so when old man in tree died
hodor could see him and saw his own death n shiet
>>69932654
i just realized this is very similar to martins sveaborg short story which combined a post-apocalyptic future with consciousness time-travel to a semi-well known historical event
i still dont think it belongs in asoiaf though
>>69924013
It has been established in previous episodes that he is actually traveling through time and not just seeing the events that happened. Normally he can't be seen, but his dad saw him at one point and obviously the whitewalker saw him too.
>>69932999
nah. I'll just accept it as the night's king being a magical being that can into visions.
>>69933034
>but his dad saw him at one point
you mean heard him.
>>69932639
If I recall correctly that is similar to how the show did it.
ok so bran was in the past part of 3 eyed ravens warg. He hears meera asking him to warg into hodor to help them with the thralls and ww's.
what i do not get from this is can Bran communicate with people in the past, was he warged into hodor in the cave or was that hodor acting by himself, how did hordor hear meera and get that seizure?
Lmao, people talking about this piece of shit show/books for 24 hours now. It's not worth it.
can someone explain what the ww king wants with bran
>>69933102
right, whatever
>>69931404
>The man in the tree with no tree. Is this a legendary savior of Westeros, who comes before us, or the answer to a child's riddle?
>>69927744
Exactly. I'm glad people have noticed this. In fact, I think Hodor actually regained his full intellect for those final full moments. He was Willis again right before he died.
>>69933049
This is what I believe. Night's king is made out of the same shit magic shit that Bran is using to travel into the past.
>>69933184
sexe time
>>69933184
He wants to kill Bran before he rebuilds the wall. Cus he knows once he invades Westeros he will be defeated and the wall will be built. To prevent this he needs to kill Bran
>>69933125
he was warged into the hodor in the cave. He has exhibited SOME influence through his visions.
A lot of things could have happened to fry hodor. The bloodraven, who was guiding bran, was just killed. If he had a leash on bran, it was gone now. Bran was also stressing out because he knew shit was going down. He could have accidentally connected with vision hodor. So think about that. Vision hodor is experience bran warging into cave hodor, and cave hodor is experience the wights attacking him. He literally got fried from all that.
>>69933306
>bran the builder
if this happens I'm out
>>69933184
bran will have the power to stop him.
>>69927858
underated post
>>69933125
>can Bran communicate with people in the past
I think so, but he needs more training.
>was he warged into hodor in the cave or was that hodor acting by himself
First he warged but later Hodor hold the door by himself
>how did hordor hear meera and get that seizure
Bran delivered it accidentally
Just my opinion senpai
>>69933358
It will be the end lmao, we will all be out lmao special kid lmao
reminder that this will be in the books
>>69933243
How beautiful. He was able to understand with perfect clarity that he had been a retard his whole life because of time fuckery and then he was torn apart by zombies.
>>69924013
George has always stated the ending is bitter sweet.
Is the ending going to be the white walkers conquering Westeros and Bran, as a last ditch effort, re-setting the past?pls no
Where in time was Bran when he saw the WW's outside the tree?
Did anyone else cry like bitch? I was pretty shook up about summer and when the tragedy with hodor struck i was in pieces.
>>69932479
underrated
>>69933125
>He hears meera asking him to warg into hodor
No. Bran hears Meera calling for help from Hodor in the cave. Hes sitting there crying because hes afraid. When Bran hears "Hodor" he in his past vision looks directly at young Hodor and makes contact and fucks his brain up as they are now linked and can only hear Meera scream for help. Bran could have done this to anyobdy and fucked them up but it just so happens Hodor is with them now...fucking pottery. And now some miraculous event from Hodors childhood is perceived as his destiny
>>69931256
This is the "really into ww2" autism phenotype.
>>69933433
present. Or it could have just been a dream.
>>69927858
4/5
>>69933416
Maybe he had already seen that vision of the future during his seizure. Maybe he knew his destiny, and made a sacrifice like a true hero. I like to think he had some agency in the matter. He's a hero in my book.
>>69933433
Probably in the present, if it was in the past he would probably have showed up sooner.
>>69927858
top kek, underrated
>>69933470
cry, no. I was angered by summer's cheap death that the rest just came off as retarded.
>>69933306
But the wold is already built
It is fucking there reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>69933517
Looking at his face in his last moments you can tell he is doing it by himself.
>>69933433
the present
the NK was projecting a vision of himself and his army once he realized bran was warging alone
he was apparently waiting close by the whole time for bran to make that mistake
>>69933419
>Hodor returns as a giant white
>holds back the wall while chanting HOLD THE DOOR
>bran winks at the camera
>tyrion comes in and says "thats why i do. i hold doors and i know things"
>ned bursts out of the ground
>Cersei screams "Take him!"
>ramsay pops in with 20 good men and flings sausages at Hodor, whose mouth is now full so it sounds like he's saying "Hodor"
>Arya comes in yelling about oysters, clams and cockles, to which Ramsay replies, "cocks? you hear that reek?"
>>69933581
I thought the same. He didn't look like a stupified warged golem. His eyes were clear, and he look like a man trying his hardest.
>>69933539
I completely understood that.
I probably accepted it sooner than most since I have experience with guard dogs, and dogs behaviour in general.
>>69927057
>Regains his mind just as he dies horribly
Is there any evidence of that?
>>69930266
The point is...
>these things happen
when you are playing the game of thrones.
Wars don't give a shit who is right or wrong, this is how history has been. And Bran must know dis shit if he is to become
>Bran the Broken, of House Stark and Tully, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm
This video gets it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKMV6e5kEo
>>69933470
I choked a bit as the undead tore Hodor apart but they cut to his seizure induced yelling so fast, it made me laugh instead.
Man, why the fuck did Doggo die like that? Worst fucking death ever. And Leaf's death too. Bitch, you took out maybe 4 extra skeletons and saved 3 seconds with your suicide bomb. Could've just tossed the nade.
FUARK.
>>69933664
Just look at the scene. That is a face of a struggling man and his eyes were clear.
Bran was distracted by past hodor at that moment, releasing hodor.
>>69932077
The "Asian green things" created the night king. Maybe he's still pissed at them for what they did to him.
>>69933664
Yeah, he keeps mumbling "Hodor" while he's holding the door. If that's not evidence that he was back to normal, I don't know what is.
>>69933358
If they do this they're literally copying how Sam was the builder of the Wall in the Garth Nix Abhorsen Trilogy.
Fuck they should make a trilogy out of those.
>>69933328
thats what i thought. i think he meant to warg into present hodor but accidentally warged into past hodor and fucked up his brain
>Euron's english accent
Good job
>>69932920
DONT BURN THEM ALL
DONT BURN THEM ALL
NT BURN THEM ALL
T BURN THEM ALL
BURN THEM ALL
>>69933852
B R A V O D A V I D D A N
>>69933852
I want this to happen
>>69933760
His brain was still fucked form the seizure like it was his whole life, but he was acting on his own accord (not warged).
>>69933788
god fucking damn it. he wasnt meant to warg into anyone. Brann was already in his past vision when the invasion starts. When he hears Meera call for Hodor he ON INSTINCT looks at Hodor.
Its like if your at a party and someone says "hey wheres Kathy?" and you look to where Kathy is and tell the person shes right there. Once he heard his name he reactively looked at him. Thats when he fucked his brain up. It wasnt intentional.
The White Walkers are not intent on conquering Westeros, they just want to get to the God's Eye near the Crownlands so they can undo the curse the Children of the Forest put on them.
Screencap this, you know it to be true.
>>69934030
oh shit
>>69934030
That would be a better way the end it all than to just have dragons flame broil the undead army. Lifting the curse would be closure.
>there still isn't a shoop of Tony/Bran yelling "Can you please hold the dooooooooooooooooooor"
embarassed desu
>>69930606
hahahah shared to my fb feed :^)
>>69934030
nah man, it wasn't a lake where they turned Brandon of the bloody blade into the first walker. And the wight army was in the same place where the ritual took place in brans vision
>>69933852
NICE CATCH
>>69927858
underrated
>>69934126
I'm still hoping for the unexpected, trope-deconstructing ending that would fit the series, but I'm afraid we're getting a good vs. evil ending.
>>69934256
I'm hoping D&D's glee for fucking with audience expectations trumps their hackish storytelling sensibilities.
>>69930445
Oh god this is just retarded enough for d and d to actually do
>>69934197
Wew lad, be careful not to cut yourself on that irony.
>>69924013
Bran went back in hodors past as spirit/ghost.
He opened a portal of some kind, he was connected to hodor, his memories and past
The girl screaming ''hold the door'' somehow slipped into the wormhole/ the connection and into hodors younger self which caused a paradox and made him seizure. It was so strong it rewrote his whole brain that made him into a retard.
This is the answer to why he only could speak ''Hodor''
Even if bran hadnt caused it snd hodor never become Hodor, hodor would probably still sacrifice his life to save them. But then again hodors could had grown up an become a soldier.
So you can say it was ment to happen, it was his fate
When the White Walkers and wights broke in to the tree. Hodor was just sitting there and crying. I don't think he was just scared. I think he realized at that moment that his childhood's vision of him dying was actually real. And this was the moment he was going to die.
why is this hard to understand? It's literally the hacky TIME PARADOX from every sci-fi/fantasy movie ever.
Hodor himself is a Warg. Bran forced Past Hodor to Warg into present Hodor and made him hold the door.
Bran from even further in the future is the lord of light using his powers to communicate with others in the past through the fire (since white walkers can't use or manipulate fire magic) and manipulate them in order to gather armies from across Westeros toward the north to fight the white walkers. This is also why in this episode the new fire priestess in Mereen made a point to mention and emphasize the important of the voice from the fire and what it said.>lord of light misleads Stannis into believing he is the one true king
>lord of light leads Stannis north to stop the wildlings and the nights watch from killing one another which leads to an alliance and a massive army loyal to... Jon Snow
>Lord of light leads Stannis to his death when he decides to attack and try to conquer Winterfell while he's in the north.
>Sansa just so happened to be IN Winterfell when Stannis attacked.
>Jon gets stabbed to death. Lord of Light resurrects him
>Lord of Light tells fire priestess tha Jon Snow is the REAL king and he is precious and must be protected
>Jon and Sansa leave to gather an even larger army to the north
>Lord of Light apparently spoke to the bald guy (can never remember his name) when he was a child and told him his purpose was to bring Khaleesi and her dragons to Westeros.
Literally every motivation the lord of light has had to do everything he's done points straight back to Bran Stark trying to amass an army to the north and protect his family.
Bran whispered to the Mad King
>Burn them all! Burn them all! Burn them all!
>>69934387
im not being ironic.. im being post-ironic :^)
>>69933416
He found out that he trolled himself and his whole life he was merly pretending to be a retard
so he proably killed himself out of shame
>>69934207
How do you know that the guy was http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brandon_of_the_Bloody_Blade
>>69930266
>That's like trying to explain to a general in the middle of the The First World War not to use cavalry ("It always worked, so why not?"). Or to a general in the middle of The Second World War not to create the atomic bomb ("We are desperate, you can build this thing? Do it!").
The Children Of the Forest were desperate and didn't know what they were doing.
>>69934551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_GruNNmbKM&ab_channel=TheDankMemester
I assume it's something like
>bran enters past
>wargs into hodor on meera's command
>three eyed raven tells young bran to listen to his friend
>three eyed raven is old bran teaching young bran to warg while in the past
>young hodor warged into by bran becoming a permawarg telling him to hold the door in the present
>timeloop complete as old hodor commanded in the past by present bran fulfills the command that was placed in the past
>bran now has the ability to warg into people in the past so he can decide the future
Something tells me this will have been done a lot better and more indepth in the novels, so I'm looking forward to GRRM's explanation but I believe it was part of expanding young bran's abilities to warg into people in the past so he could keep them on standby for the future (ie present)
>>69933517
At the very least he is an hero
>>69934501
But why would Bran need to do all of that if everything has already been said and done?
>>69934611
oops
>>69934741
Casual time loop
>>69934611
oops, just forget it.
>>69934797
>casual
Just a chill-ass time loop. Not like those uptight professional time loops.
>Hodor knew all along
Mind=blown
>>69934797
Not how, why?
>>69934888
Because he all ready did in the past
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loop
You cant actually change the past. Anything that Bran "changes" was all ready changed by himself.
>>69924013
Why was there even a door in the cave?
>>69935112
To keep out the cold
>>69935112
A better question is why weren't there just some zombies waiting outside the door?
I wonder what they will do when they translate or dub this part. Hodor is still Hodor in other languages as well right?
>>69935035
I don't think you're understanding my question. Why would current timeline Bran decide to go back in time and try to "change" the past? I know that anything he "changes" has already been done, I'm just curious as to why he would want to go back and make the past/present/future different, considering it should be abundantly clear to him quickly that anything he changes has already been done and that he has no real effect on the past.
Bran coincidentally saw when Willys had a obesity induced stroke, he can't change or affect anything. Other alternative implies a time loop which is impossible and ridiculous. Him screaming hold the door was a coincidence as well. Other man thing wasn't time travel.
>>69934022
I'm still of the opinion that Hodor and Wyllis connected, but Bran was mostly just the link.
Bran had lost control of Hodor, but Wyllis could see Hodor through Bran. He saw his own death, felt it. As the White walkers tore through Hodor's (his) brain, it literally tore through Wyllis's brain, leaving him with only his own last thoughts, and the last scream on his lips.
He didn't scream "Hodor" just because it sounded like "Hold the Door," it was because dying made it really fucking difficult to say anything. "Hodor" was the closest thing to his actual task as he could manage, all while literally being ripped apart.
The alternative is that Bran had to make Wyllis into Hodor. Maybe he saw the connection, the big picture, and had to intentionally ruin someone's entire life, just to complete the paradoxical loop.
You may remember Bran's face, it certainly didn't look like he wanted to do it.
But if it is the case, he's still a complete asshole.
>>69934551
GET OUT OF HERE REEEEE
Ok you faggots. For all of you saying Bran can change the past are we overlooking the fact that it makes people retarded if he does? I mean MAYBE he makes the mad king in the last few hours (thats fanfiction tier though).
The whole Hodor thing was Brans lesson not to do that shit because you end up mind raping people for the rest of their lives and since it already happened and doesn't even affect anything its a waste of time
>>69934407
>wormhole
oh boy this is getting better and better
>>69935197
They'll have him shout: "Hold the door!" in their language and then in some retarded way slowly transform it to "Hodor".
People who watch dubbed shit deserve to get shot.
>>69935207
>Why would current timeline Bran decide to go back in time and try to "change" the past?
>it should be abundantly clear to him quickly that anything he changes has already been done and that he has no real effect on the past.
because he has to. It does have a real effect on the past because him going back to "change" it creates the past.
>>69935228
Well, Bran hasn't warged into the past and seen anyone who was in his immediate proximity in the present. Think about it from Hodor's perspective. There's a guy right next to him simultaneously right next to him in his own past. I think that's a good argument for the past and present Hodors basically linking up, and overlapping their consciousness.
Imagine someone sitting next to you and being able to tell you exactly what you were doing at a really important, memorable, point in your childhood in real time. The feedback memory loop of all that shit would be weird, even without magic.
>>69935386
I understand that he has to because of destiny and the fact that he already did it and all that jazz. But the information I'm trying to get is what makes him think "You know, I should warg into the past and try to change something".
>>69935314
>and since it already happened and doesn't even affect anything its a waste of time
that's not how it works though. Since it already happened, he's destined to always make it happen. It's not like, "well, it happened already, no need to not make it happen" His present self wouldn't be aware that he was making it happen, he'd be experiencing it for the first time and realizing that he made it happen when he does it.
>>69932920
Actually >>69930445 just explained everything.
>>69935515
True but after like 2 tries he should probably figure it out and stop wasting time
i'm actually sadder that grey wind is dead.
>>69935511
because circumstances compel him to. For example, the bloodraven knew bran had to be in that vision so he could warg hodor, so he took him there. We won't know how bran will know how to affect the past going forward, but someone or something will compel him to do so. You're asking for us to read the future but breh, we're watching the same tv show. You know as much as I do.
>Muh background prop dog
>>69934551
why would you post spoilers on FB you cunt ?
>>69935579
why exactly do you think it's wasting time?
>>69930445
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE FUCKING HACKS
THOSE FUCKING HACKS ARE GOING TO DO IT
>>69935599
Nymeria will win the game of thrones
>>69935615
Works for me. I mean when it comes down to it I'll just be interested to see how D&D pulls off the time travelling stuff without the whole story turning into "well its a loop so nothing is free will and it will go on and on" kind of stuff. But your theory on Bran being the lord of light definitely has some weight behind it so that's totally one of the theories I'll be backing up to the end.
>>69933617
You forgot *farts*
>>69933306
How does this work, the wall is already there
Anything of consequence happen with Dany and the Quip Patrol yet? I've been skipping her scenes since the start of the season.
>>69935671
Well it certainly wastes Bran's time. If he goes back in time to fix something, he has to be convinced that it will affect something. So after the 3rd or 4th time he goes back to fix everything and ends up causing it he'll realize that it does nothing and he's better off observing and learning like BR.
This whole "Bran caused everything" business only works if Bran can go into the future and realize that he directly caused things to happen and NEEDS to do it to keep the timeline going
>>69935197
Cierre la puerta! Cierre la puerta! Cierre la puerta! Hodor! Hodor!
Bran made young Hodor warg into Old Hodor and young Hodor was transported to Old Hodor where he saw north of the wall and all the white walkers attacking and it terrified him and destroyed his brain because he isnt a warg but Bran made the young Hodor warg into Old Hodor in the future.
I've only read about this, never seen the show but know of the characters through osmosis. How was this plot development not the most cringeworthy thing? Hodor = "hold the door" sounds fucking atrocious
>>69935886
She made oil flow up stairs and burned a building, resulting her to lead the Dothraki.
>>69936001
Tbh lad, this run-on sentence was the clearest explanation that I've read so far.
>>69935923
but the thing is that he can affect the past that will have huge consequences in the future. He doesn't need to go into the future, just be able to strategize an outcome. Like maybe the bloodraven didn't know the future, but knew that he needed bran to be a cripple so that his powers would manifest. Bran is going to have to do some detective work to see how exactly his action will affect the future.
For all we know, BR was pulling strings the whole time, not just watching. But doesn't mean he knew what he was doing the whole time.
>GRRM planned a minor detail in the first book to be revealed in the 6th
Anyone else impressed by this?
>>69935935
kek
>>69936131
>but knew that he needed bran to be a cripple so that his powers would manifest.
forgot to add "and influenced him to go climb the tower and see the siblings fucking"
>>69936160
Considering most movies/tv shows/books introduce an idea and finish the idea within one movie/episode/book and don't bring it back later, yes.
>>69933470
I cried at this and also when Salsa came to Castle Black and I realized there was going to be a reunion.
>>69935661
It's probably fine. He seems like the type to have like 10 friends (all of whom he met on meme pages) anyway. :^)
>>69933470
I can't cry even if I wanted to.
>>69936131
>>69936209
Well I guess it depends on whether or not you think this show works on BttF or 12 monkeys time travel.
I think its 12 Monkeys, so I'm right
And you think its BttF, so you're right
>>69933470
i was actually laughing when i saw the fat kid close up on his face shouting HOLD THE DOOR
>>69930041
>why the wights are being dicks
But he didn't. All he learned is that the Children created them against Men. Unless you are implying they are some kind of programmed to eternally fuck up Men until they are all dead.
>>69933470
>Crying at the stupidest fictional death of all time
>>69936380
Never saw 12 Monkeys.
I'm assuming the distinction is that BttF time travel is nonlinear, the past is malleable, and your actions can alter the future, whereas in 12 Monkeys, the future can't be changed because everything is predetermined and anything you do in the past will directly cause the future you came from. Is that about right?
>when the ww were coming Hodor was cowering in fear knowing the end is near
>>69936105
Only way to explain it short and sweet
We've never seen a non warg that has warged into someone and we've never seen someone warg into themselves. It was made very clear that Bran wasn't warged into Hodor but it was young Hodor that warged into old Hodor.
>>69936636
BingoDon't watch it though its shit for other reasons
>>69930237
>Goes back in time after he meets Jon
>Convinces Aemon to become King
>Unclusterfucks everything
>Goes to the North with an Army of Dragons an all free men of the west
>Come to me Sons of Sigmar!
>They attack Night Kings Tower and destroy the White Walker forever
>>69930445
>Bran is Bran the Builder
>The White Walkers have won; Westeros is covered in ice
>he takes a some refugees to the past
>they become the First Men
>"Winter is coming"
>"The Winter" refers to the eternal winter after Westeros has fallen to the White Walkers
>Bran coined the Stark words
>>69936690
Completely wrong, do not listen to this liar.
People who think Bran is going to habitually warg through time are morons.
>>69936690
Cool. I like your reading of it. It means that the story can involve limited time travel without creating a paradox. If Bran decides to go into the past and kill someone who's still alive in the future, he'll inevitably be killed in the process, and anything he does to change the future will instead cause it to happen.
If he figures this out, he'll stop trying to influence the past, and then he'll resign himself to learning from it by observing but never staying too long, thus becoming the three-eyed raven.
>>69934030
I still have to understand how the niggers of nature can make beings of frost that in turn become necromancers.
>>69930237
>grandfather paradox happens
>bran prevents himself from becoming a cripple
>the Lannister-stark fight never happens
>bran doesn't need to go north
>doesn't learn how to change the past
>can't go back in time to prevent himself from getting pushed
>it starts all over again
>>69931596
>can't ignore something that isn't true.
Are you retarded or do you have legit autism and didn't notice his expressions when he and Bran got back int time to Winterfell/Ned.
>yfw Coldhands shows up to save Bran
>implying Bran isn't Bran the builder
>>69936828
Magic.
>>69933470
You bet I did.
>all the ww musters is out the fucking window
>they are just weapons created
>>69936551
I don't think the actual death is stupid. The whole time-travel vision thing is retarded, but Hodor completing his final task, something he's known he had to do since he was a child (Hold the door) at the cost of his life was quite tear jerking imo.
Hodor will come back as a wight now
>>69924013
Bran accidentally showed Hodor how he will die and fried his brain.
>>69927246
This makes the most sense.
>>69936913
Ironically enough, this once "magic" can't explain it, since it all fantasy settings magic is very strict to it's own nature, in other words, nature magic doesn't interact with frost magic and sure as fuck none of these even touch necromancy.
Meanwhile, Frogfu wasn't exactly moving quickly with Bran the mindraper - how are they going to get away, exactly?
>>69936966
The idea of Hodor dying fulfilling his task is great and could be a potential tear jerker, but all the circumstances behind it are so stupid I can't help but laugh
>>69936966
>dfw Hodor was literally a lamb-for- the slaughter his entire life. Why are the highborn so cruel?
>>69937091
The ww want Bran alive, he's marked so any magic that keeps ww away wont work when Bran is there. This means they need him to go to the wall so they can tear it down, they intentionally let him live so they can take the wall out.
>retards don't understand why this plotline is a paradox
It's not the loop that's the problem you fucking basic bitches, it's the begging the question.
>A change in the timeline is what leads to the current timeline
>this still requires an initial change
Someone besides bran had to mindfuck hodor or else he wouldn't get to the point where it's implied that he mindfucked hodor. The only problem is that the person who fucked hodor initially is bran, which implies a causality loop that has no actual beginning, also known as a fucking plothole.
>>69937245
>that has no actual beginning
It does and the beginning was another brann, this is the usual fuckery that happens with any time travel.
Bran tried to warg into Hodor in the future but couldn't (his eyes flashed which urged him on but nothing more). The only way for him to create the link was through Hodor in the past who then controlled Hodor in the future, with Bran in control of all of it.
>>69937245
The other tree dude did it originally or Bran has always existed and the old tree dude is another Bran
Or it works like 12 monkeys time travel, where everything is already pre determined, what happens has already happened and every moment of time is constantly happening at all moments
>>69936850
what about that asshole in the tree , he can still change the past??
>>69935197
In Latinamerican Spanish it is "Mantenlo cerrado!", if you translate it literally it is "keep it closed!" or something like that, but I guess that was te best way they could think for making it abreviate to "Hodor" even if its still shoehorned as hell
>>69930237
>Bran goes back in time to stop himself from becoming a cripple
>unintentionally gives his young self the idea to climb shit, or simply to climb the tower at that moment
>makes himself cripple
>>69937408
THIS
Someone screencap sticky this this is the simplest answer that actually makes sense
>>69937317
>>69937836
>was another bran
who could only get to that point how exactly?
It's a fucking plothole, other time travel stories do it, but that doesn't mean it isn't fucking retarded.
>story implies that causality is a thing
>story then undermines that causality with an entirely vague definitionless version of it
>>69938295
Bran has always existed and will always exist, he's like a god but "walking".
>>69937408
this
got is not the new Lost
people making theorys and time travel
>>69937033
>Magic doesnt make sense
>It's a D&D just can't stop shitting out awful ideas episode
>>69933470
I did.
>>69938643
Hodor was GRRM's idea though, they confirmed it
