>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into the boar that kills King Robert episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Jaime Lannister and makes him kill the mad king episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into the red sorcerer that castrated Varys episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into The Hound and cuts down the stableboy episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Melissandre and makes her burn Shireen episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into the boar that kills King Robert episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Jaime Lannister and makes him kill the mad king episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into the red sorcerer that castrated Varys episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into The Hound and cuts down the stableboy episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Melissandre and makes her burn Shireen episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Joffrey and makes him kill Ros episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Bran and makes him climb the tower episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs Meryn Fucking Trant and makes him kill Syrio Forel episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Jaime and makes him push the Bran warged into Bran off the tower episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Joffrey and makes him kill Ros episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Bran and makes him climb the tower episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Jaime and makes him push the Bran warged into Bran off the tower episode
It's me GoT, Bran, the source of all your pain.
Time travel is considered the biggest hack to tie together loose ends in the film hindustry. Bravo D&D
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into The Mountain and makes him burn The Hound's face for stealing his toy episode
>>69895148
>D&D
It's an original GRRM idea
>>69895148
But it wasn't to tie up loose ends. It was planned from the beginning. It's the best use of time travel I've ever seen.
op wrote so much in this thread
watch it get deleted
>>69897161
wow really deep, my sister also found it really weird but clever
I don't know who the old man in the tree was supposed to be.
I don't know what his specific powers are or what he and bran accomplished.
I don't understand the the Hodor scene completely.
I don't really know if any of this is going to be explained, or if I should just stop trying to understand.
>>69894970
>It's a Bran's companions die while he lies there like the cripple, catatonic piece of shit that he is and is the reason for everything being so fucked why don't they just kill this motherfucker off now episode.
B
Why doesn't he just warg into the tree cunt and stop her from making the walkers?
>>69897161
>It was planned from the beginning
>>69898280
Because he's the one who warged into the tree cunt and made her make the walkers in the first place.
Bran will never go back in time to prevent events from happening, because we know that the events that have happened, happened.
>>69898392
#whoa
@69898392
??????
Not giving this guy a (You). He needs to kill himself.
>>69898392
Bran cannot warg into the CotF anymore than he warg into The Others. Warging is CotF magic granted by the Old Gods. It can only work on people who are not part of those who have that power, and warging is difficult to pull off on any highly evolved form of life in the first place.
>>69898553
The Others were created with magic from the same source, hence Bran cannot warg into them either. He can oppose them, but he can't control them.
>>69897328
I don't know why the nights king could touch Bran while he was warging.
I feel u bro
>>69897161
BioShock Infinite planned it from the beginning too.
Still doesn't make it good.
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Joffrey and orders the death of his father episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Ramsay and rapes his sister episode
>>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Oberyn and makes him interrogate the Mountain instead of finishing him episode
>>69894970
Getting warged makes your brain into mush so none of those makes sense since they're all still capable people afterwards.
>>69899392
Maybe he masters his warg powers.
>>69899392
>Getting warged makes your brain into mush
It fits.
>>69894970
Literally the best character of any shows ever.
>>69897461
Cause he's qt :3
When this baby hits 88 wargs per hour, you're gonna see some seriously shitty television.
calling it now, bran is going to off himself butterfly effect style to stop himself from ever catching jaime and cersei and subsequently bringing the fall of man
>>69897328
so basically bran has the ability to directly affect the past or whatever he sees in his visions
>>69899688
What the fuck man
>>69899688
>>69899899
mom get the camera
>>69897161
>it was planned from the beginning
>>69899688
this dubs is pretty fucking good
>>69899688
>88 wargs
>>69900017
>>69900017
Is this Kevin Eldon?
>>69899688
well played
>>69894970
HOLY SHIT PRESTON WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!!
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Cersei and raises children with Jaime episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Ramsay to pickle Theon's sausage episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Arya getting beaten with a stick for 2 straight months episode
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Rhaegar and has sex with Bran Warged into Lyanna episode
>>69899688
Impressive
Looks like you could use a hand, Bran. Can I help?
ok so wait
>bran and bloodraven are warging into the past with young hodor/wyllis
>present bran/hodor/meera/bloodraven are being attacked by night king
>meera yell for bran to warg into present hodor while already warged into the past with BR
>bran does it but all his commands are inputted into present hodor
>meera yells "hold the door" to present hodor who's being controlled by bran
>that somehow links to young hodor and he goes full retard
did I get everything right? cuz if so meera was the one to blame, not bran
>>69899945
Bahahahaha, this put me over the edge. Full on snorting.
>>69898497
>not getting that >>69898392 was joking
>caring about giving/collecting (You)s
you are the one that needs to kill themselves
>>69897204
Is that the Farcry movie?
>>69900364
That's somewhat correct, although bran is the one who made him vulnerable in the first place. Meera couldn't have known it was possible for bran to pull off warging within a vision, so she must have thought Hodor just came to on his own.
>it's a bran wargs into d&d and advances the plot episode
Can't wait for that shit
>>69897161
>>69897324
>>69898334
>>69898879
>>69899971
Was saving GoT part of your plan?
>>69897161
oh lol just accept that it's shit already
>>69900910
>It's bran wargs into the book series and bridges the gap between dead/living characters by seeing alternate realities currently transpiring in the written version of Winds of Winter.
I actually really really want this to happen.
HE'S GONNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE PAST!
HE'S THE ANGRY CRIPPLED NORTHERN LORD!
>>69898334
>>69899971
https://ventrellaquest.com/tag/game-of-thrones/
jumped the fucking shark
The series ends with a 4th wall breaking scene of Bran warging into GRRM in the real world and writing the books.
>>69898420
True the Raven said "the past is already written".
But then that would mean Bran was always there to make his timeline. I'm not sure if they black out and he wasn't supposed to find out his will on the world so far, but Hordor proves he's in some sort of closed time loop or some shit.
>>69900910
Steven King already did that.
>>69901059
Funny thing is, DC is actually doing this right now.
>>69901141
He came back, back from the past....Crippy Boy!
>>69900388
>>69899688
>>69899899
THAT'S THE POWER OF LOVE
>>69901290
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/26325-what-does-hodor-mean/&do=findComment&comment=1236249
>>69901408
dank
>>69901141
Who is The Nostalgia Critic of Westeros?
>>69900364
See, but his name was Hordor since Bran met him. So they're in some time loop. Bran has already had the impact.
That's how it seems to me anyway.
I've never been impressed by writing as much as when i saw that episode
20 years ago he came up with the name hodoor
20
years
>>69894970
>It's Bran going back to Tourney at Harrenhal and inadvertently causing time paradox by accidentally making Lyanna to have a crush on him instead of Rhaegar and needs to make Rhaegar get Lyanna before Robert does episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TZbze72Bc
>>69895148
By you maybe
>>69901682
or it could be more futurama. hes gonna do the nasty in the pasty so jon can exist
Wait.
What did Bloodraven meant when he said to Bran, "You need to become me"? like srsly.
>>69901567
>D&D pursuing fan theories for ideas
>>69901642
Using time travel as a way of tying up loose ends wasn't impressive 20 years ago and it definitely isn't now.
>>69899688
thats nigger magick right there.
>>69899688
Sieg heil, doc.
>>69902011
why are you assuming the worst?
you think he just came up with some way to make the name hodoor work?
its very possible he had the idea when he made the character, it wouldnt even need to be completely planned all he had to think was
'im gonna have brand need a door held shut"
its not exactly the most complex thought to plan ahead of time
13 Years for this junk. You couldn't begin to understand how I feel right now /got/
>>69899688
ahhh there it is
>>69899688
I love it when this happens.
>>69901829
they are the same fucking guy
>>69899688
Impressive.
>>69902165
>Inception BWAAAAAAA
>>69894970
>he did make like a tree
>he did get out of there
>>69894970
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Jaime Lannister and fucksCerci
>>69899688
>>69901141
HE'D RATHER HAVE PYRCELL TAKE A GIANT SHART INTO HIS EAR!
>>69895148
It's hard to keep a plot comprehensive when you have magic bullshit in it. Adding time travel makes it easy to create plot holes due to the omnipotent power it gives you. But fantasy authors are known for falling into obvious plot traps.
>>69894970
Holy shit
>it's a Bran wargs into Sir Arthur Dayne and has him dual wield episode while a warging Bran watches
>>69899688
GET THGE CAMERA>?A?F? TGET THE CAMERAMAMMA DMOMMMM GET THE CAMERAAA GET THE CARMELAAAAAAAAAAAA CAN YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HODOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>69902392
>Bran was also warging into Ned and Howland
Deep.
>>69895148
>implying this wasn't Arr Arr Martin's idea
His fat greasy fingerprints are all over the place.
>Bran was the voice that made the Mad King go mad
bravo D&D you fuckin shits
>>69901567
>>69901929
>Laugh at the retard shitposter
>He's a prophet
What has the world come to
>>69902165
What was BR last words before dying?
>>69902449
>>69895148
>GRR notoriously known for rewriting stuff, throwing out hundreds of pages at a time
>The whole show approval was just a way to test the waters for time travel
>If normies like it, he'll keep that plot
>If normies hate it, he'll change it
>>69899688
W I T N E S S E D
>>69902165
i dont understand how
help
Somebody make a webm of this episode's tits on the double. Shit was cash
>>69902517
time travel is a thing now
>>69902533
More like a webm of that dick.
>>69902517
>now i need to make you me
dying wargs can warg into stuff to live longer
>>69901642
>20 years and that's the best idea he could come up with
20
years
>>69894970
Micah was a butcher's boy, not a stable boy you fucking moron.
bran's time traveling warg powers were already hinted at earlier when he called to his father and he turned around
i think br is probably some infinite looping being that bran is a reincarnation of. bran has always been br and always will be
>>69902605
We he being warged?
>>69895148
>Time travel and 'God did it' cancer finally putting the nails in the coffin of the plot.
Why can't sci fi/fantasy writers fucking resist the urge? Every god damn show it always boils down to 'muh god' or 'muh time travel'. Every fucking one.
>>69894970
>It's a faggot goes back in time and wargs into OP and he cries himself to sleep after seeing the pitiful wreck he's warged into when he walks past a mirror
>>69902584
so bran wargs into that guy in the past before he dies so he can teach himself how to be dope
>>69902601
that was pretty great for a minor character
![Game.of.Thrones.S06E03.720p.HDTV.x265.ShAaNiG.mkv_snapshot_49.38_[2016.05.22_23.23.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nPzoPdr.jpg "Game.of.Thrones.S06E03.720p.HDTV.x265.ShAaNiG.mkv snapshot 49.38 [2016.05.22 23.23.35]")
What is this face trying to convey?
>>69902669
"I feel like someone is warging into me right now..."
>>69902669
bad acting
>>69902630
why do people hate time travel so much
its meant to be entertainment you autist
>it's a Bran wargs into The Hound's dead body and fights The Mountain in a trial by combat episode
>>69902300
Clever girl
Let's say Meera and Bran become officially betrothed
If Bran wargs into Meera and has sex with someone, who is cheating?
>>69902584
>>69902652
Yeah Bran is immortal.
>Bran actually is everysingle character in the entire universe just warged over millenia of warg time travel cycles
>>69902630
Did someone call?
>>69902669
Potatoes
>>69898392
How GOT ends
>bran and meera get rescued by cold hands/benjen
>make it South of the wall
>Sansa and Jon retake winterfell
>Bran goes to weirwood at winterfell
>bran discovers Bloodraven drove Aerys mad while telling him to burn the wights
>bran discovers jon is a targaryan and rightful king
>proof is in the crypts
>bran discovers bloodraven is Lord of Light so now bran is Lord of Light
>bran crossing wall allows Nights King to cross/destroy wall
>Dany comes on ironborn ships and teams up with Jon to take down white walker army on the Trident
>Sansa rules the North
>Dany takes iron throne
>Tyrion is hand of the king
>Jon rebuilds destroyed Nights Watch and becomes 1000th Lord Commander (again)
>Wall is not safe needs magic to keep retreating White Walker armies out
>Bran goes back in time to learn how to build a new wall and inadvertently become "Bran the Builder" and creates the wall by chopping down weir woods and using their magic
>Bran comes back and chops down Winterfell weir wood to build new wall
>Final scene of entire series is surviving COTF sacrificing someone on weirwood to become new Nights King because the Men are chopping down their source of magic again (breaking truce from old men)
>it's a bran wargs into the camera man and makes him film a random extras dick
>it's a bran wargs into d&d and makes them put a cut to an uncircumcised penis in the show instead of a meaningful ending to the life of a dire wolf who was in episode 1
Who the fuck was the guy being stabed by the children that became a white walker?
>>69897161
More like R+L=J was too obvious and he tried finding a way to rewrite his intended twist to feel ahead of the readers
>>69902749
WOAH
>>69902713
Because it's dumb and causes all sorts of paradoxes and contradictions.
>Bran wargs into Cersei to have sex with Jaime
>Bran wargs into Cersei to lick Robert's cum out of her body after sex
>Bran was responsible for no Baratheon children
>>69902792
that wouldnt be a half bad ending desu senpai
>>69902904
so its impossible to do time travel well?
also no paradoxes exist from this type of time travel because in this episode its demonstrated that you can't change the past because everything you do while time traveling backwards was already done in the past
hodoor didnt become hodoor after he went back in time he always was going to be hodoor because this universe is in block time
>>69902913
How do you know it wasn't Old tree man doing the swallowing?
>>69902792
>>Final scene of entire series is surviving COTF sacrificing someone on weirwood to become new Nights King because the Men are chopping down their source of magic again
I really fucking hope not
>>69902623
Yes! This
>>69902776
It's the first fucking thing that came to my mind the moment Bran started this whole 'warging to the past' thing, too.
>>69902713
It's shit. It's not entertaining. It's middle-schooler-tier writing for when hacks don't know how to progress a plot they've made too convoluted for themselves to explain away. Same as the 'God did it' bullshit.
All this warg time travel shit is leading up to some dues ex machina ending where Bran hits a magic button after everyone dies to get him to the button, and saves the day by magic-ing away the bad guys.
>>69902978
We can never know for sure until GRRM makes it canon
>>69894970
Reminder that too much Bran can lead to digestive problems and flatulence.
Its litterly 10000% confirmed Ghost is going to get killed by Ramsay.
Yes Shaggy dog was somehow kiled by Karstarks
Yes by the end of the season there will be 0 direwolfs left when one of ramsays 20 good men present him with Nymerias pelt as well
Fucking time travel is the death of the show. Is that fat fuck having this shit in the books?
>>69902993
>its impossible to do time travel well
xD
>>69899740
underrated post, probably right. =(
>>69902965
Except the episode DID reveal you could influence the past. Hence him shouting fucking 'Hold the door' over and over while being controlled, and why Ned could hear Bran.
Why the fuck else did you think the three eyed raven was chilling in winterfell at that exact moment?
>>69902792
>>bran crossing wall allows Nights King to cross/destroy wall
FUCK THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN
>Chopping weirwoods for magic
Why build a wall when the white walkers didnt exist?
Dont the children of the forrest live in the swamps south of the wall?
>Time Travel
Game of Thrones you've gone too far
HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL HOLD THE TIME TRAVEL
>>69899688
Holy shit bernie those dubs that 88mph
The problem with time travel is that it shows everything is deterministic. Bran can't change the past; he already has. Everything he's affected already has happened. No character has a choice to make, nothing matters. Bran will keep going back in time and fixing events until we get to the ending.
Terrible writing. There is no intrigue left in the show anymore.
>bran wargs into himself as a fetus and chokes himself with the umbilical cord to stop the events of GoT from ever happening
>bran wargs into the max von syndow to distract him so that bran can get bran-ded and lead the white walkers to max von syndow
>>69902123
go back to the books your crybaby faggot
so how far do you think they'' go with time travel bullshit?
>>69903094
its like you cant read or cant understand what i was saying
in a universe that time travel can happen in and is capable of calculating all future time travel before any present things happen there are no paradoxes and you cant change the past because any time travel you would do to the past has already happened and any 'changes' you made already happened
google block time
>>69903163
weither a universe is deterministic or not is meaningless
we're watching something unfold
the story being written is past, present, or future tense has no effect on the quality or on any suspence
so what was that thing the Children put in that guy's heart to make him a whitewalker?
and who was he?
is Bran a Greenseer from 12,000+ years ago
>>69903256
it was dragon glass
>Bran literally warged into some random guy from 8000 years ago and became Brandon Stark, Bran the Builder, the founder of house stark and the builder of the wall
Will he be the first and last member of House Stark?
>>69903299
aria will live forever as a face :D
>>69903198
Who gives a fuck, it's a stupid mechanic in a story either way. Time travel is bullshit, even in a story that involves magic, because you have to engage all this retarded 'muh theories' damage control to justify him doing shit he was told he couldn't do literally two episodes ago.
>>69903163
That doesnt matter. It just shows you cannot change anything by traveling back in time. Well technically you can but the results are always right in front of you.
>>69903188
I believe Bran doesn't actually change time. The events with Hodor was a closed loop. Of which, Bran just happened to be a component of. There was nothing he could do to alter events. But he believes he can.
He will try to alter events. He will try and he will fail.
>>69903089
There's not a single example of remotely entertaining time travel. All of it is fucking stupid.
>>69903330
>muh theories
its not theories its demonstrated in this episode that this universe is deterministic
also when was he told he couldnt do this in a literal sense?
>>69901603
right, Bran can't change anything because any attempt he has made was already made in the past
Time travel ruins everything, this show is ruined, also hold the door!
>>69903368
steins;gate
Fuck this eppisode makes me so mad.
>Killing Summer FOR NO FUCKING REASON
>Time travel being a thing instead of just being able to SEE the past
>Somehow bran is going to get away from litterly millions of whites and the knights king when he is allready marked
>Bran being the one to allow the Knights king to bring down the wall because he is marked and crosses
>Retarded bloodraven lasting less then 5 fucking eppisodes after 6 seasons of Hype.
>>69903368
The most entertaining time travel plot is fromwhen I went back in time and fucked your mum rawdog
>>69903427
steins;gate sucks
you could have at least madoka or haruhi or something
>>69902496
"I dreamed I was old"
>>69903282
thought so. is that why you can only kill whitewalkers with dragon glass? is the only way to kill the nights king to remove it?
>mfw the story is fine and neckbeards are mad and throwing tantrums
Why didn't Hermione just go back in time and kill Tom riddle?
>>69903440
i dont get why people like you watch the show
they do shit like this all the time
they love anticlimax
>>69903472
you may not like steins;gate but its well written time travel that makes sense and doesnt fuck itself over somehow
Anyone wonder why Bran hasn't gone back to see who the hell caused him to be a cripple? You'd think after crawling from Winterfell to miles beyond the wall, at some point you'd want to know how you lost the ability to use to your legs.
>>69903163
Except fixing people turns them into drooling spastics, and probably only works when you can warg present and past
>>69903502
because j k rowling realized how retarded it was to add time trravel to her books and so she ignored it for the entire rest of the series
>>69903368
Primer
>>69903486
Dosent the book state that there have been many knight kings? like one was once a lord commander of the Nights watch? or something?
Is Bran the Lord of Light?
>>69903427
Surely you jest.
>>69903380
During the whole lecture the old fuck gave him after the Ned fight. If he couldn't change shit about the past, there'd be no point in taking Bran to see his family in the past, as opposed to actually important shit like taking him to see information that could more directly counter bullshit like White Walkers.
And then the bullshit with HOLD DA DOOR!
Face it, the writing has gone to complete shit, and time travel is the nail in it's coffin for some good ol' fashioned 'we don't know how to end this in a remotely interesting way' dues ex machina bullshit.
>>69903467
you're wrong, the most entertaining time travel plot is fromL O S T when Desmond goes back in time and phone calls Peh knee
>>69903523
I don't get why people like you reply to posts
you do this shit all the time
you love Shitposting
>>69903440
I know man, like, why didn't they just call the eagles to begin with? Then we wouldn't have to spend 3 books or 9 hours walking around Middle Earth just to drop a piece of metal into a hot lake.
>>69903612
'you cant change the past' makes complete sense in a deterministic world
he literally cant change the past
hodoor was a closed loop and so is everything else he will ever try to change
hodoor was a lesson on how he can't change the past not an example of how he can
>>69894970
>>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Joffrey and makes him kill Ros episode
this would literally change nothing faggot
>>69903536
The writers were careful, if you stay too long warged back you get stuck there. There are limits to the power.
>its a Bran travels back in time and wargs into wood loli and creates the white walkers episode
>>69894970
what happened last episode guys? all the streams im trying are perma buffering
>>69903690
>literally screaming 'Hold the door' because of arrow-bitch screaming it over and over in his head through a warged Hodor decades into the future
Okay there buddy. I'm sure he just started shouting 'Hold the door!' for no fucking reason.
This episode contained numerous glaring plotholes, show is shit now, sorry.
the show will end with Bran changing things so there won't be a huge battle between ice zombies and dragons
>>69903536
You don't understand, he did. He did go back.
>Bran warged into Bran and made Bran climb the tower.
>Bran warged into Cersei and made her bring Jaime up to the tower to fuck her.
>Bran warged into Jaime to fuck Bran warged into Cersei while Bran warged into Bran watched Bran fucking Bran while Bran watched.
>Then Bran warged into Jaime pushed Bran warged into Bran off the tower.
>>69903800
google what a deterministic world is
google block time
google closed loop
you're very obviously stupid and incapable of understanding what im saying so maybe you should do a little research friend
>>69903799
Show got shit on with time travel bullshit. Hodor died. Rest is more go-nowhere filler of people talking about shit they'll get around to doing a season from now if we're lucky.
>>69897328
The old man in the tree is the Old Gods that Northerners and Wildlings worship. Bran is a god now.
>>69903836
bran cant change the past
>>69903590
i cant read
>>69903836
Most likely this. He'll hit some magic button with the time travel and gods bullshit and stop it all from happening in the biggest blue balling in television history.
>>69903881
>Bran is a god now.
Well he can stay in the past without the tree now.
>>69903871
oh geez. it really is a soap opera now
good thing im not emotionally invested in this show xD
>>69903908
i just havent read it faggot. Its booring and shit
>>69903866
>M-Muh time travel theories!
It's a lot easier to explain the situation with D&D being shit writers with poor consistency, given the fact that the show in general has shit writing with poor consistency, and that the old man was probably lieing about changing the past so Bran wouldn't be a faggot wasting time trying to save Ned.
so where does Bran go now? does he know whats going on?
>>69903799
euron is king of the ironborn but theon and yara got pissed and stole all their boats
jorah showed dany his greyscale and masturbated in front of her
arya saw a comedic rendition of ned stark's execution and got super butthurt
sansa and jon stay schemin
the night king found bran and fucked his shit up, also hodor died
>>69902713
>lol just turn your brain off
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Bane and makes him crash CIA's plane with no survivors episode
>>69903907
He can. Just once he changes it its always been that way.
Thats why Bloodraven took him back to the courtyard again to see Hodor even though to us it seemed meanless and a waste of time. Before he went back that time and gave Hodor a seizure though Hordor was not even with them. After that the new reality became our reality. Every time he changes the past it always has been that way.
>>69903991
>euron is king of the ironborn but theon and yara got pissed and stole all their boats
How the fuck did he become king if Yara and Theon have enough supporters to steal all the ships?
>>69903983
its not theories its clearly demonstrated in this episode
just because you're too stupid to see it doesnt mean shit
>>69904009
thats wild speculation and seems much less likely than it simply being determistic
>>69903995
You might as well at this point desu
>>69903999
>It's a Bran wargs into a neckbeard and invents baneposting episode
>>69904049
everyone was too busy doing their retarded "almost kill the guy by drowning him" ceremony to notice them stealing literally all the boats
>>69903849
>>Bran warged into Jaime to fuck Bran warged into Cersei while Bran warged into Bran watched Bran fucking Bran while Bran watched.
weeeeeewwwww fucking lols
These memes are going thermonuclear before the season is over
>>69904049
>How the fuck did he become king if Yara and Theon have enough supporters to steal all the ships?
He has a cock.
>>69904009
>After that the new reality became our reality. Every time he changes the past it always has been that way.
This seems speculative
the show is basically harry potter now
also, poor young lad's cock. when he hits middle age, those balls will be on his knees
In an interview D&D said they got the Hodor hold the door concept directly from GRRM
>>69903866
I hate the version of time travel where you can't change the past because everything you do is part of it. It can only explain people trying to deliberately changing the past through bullshit convolution.
so where exactly is this fucking tree? if it's in the kingdom or whatever, then how the fuck did the thriller brigrade make it there? if it's outside the wall, then how the fuck did the cripple and company get out?
>>69904091
>It's a Bran wargs into a hothead and makes him shitpost episode
>>69904117
Litterly the dumbest fucking ceremony in existance.
Litterly the dumbest fucking group in exiastance
Litterly the most boring now that its going to be a fucking snorefest while Euron has to build more ships instead of being a badass
>>69904157
This is the biggest problem with it.
Its much easier to believe that time travel is impossible than having the universe come up with shit to stop you changing things.
>>69903849
Nothing like this was implied at all.
>>69904057
>Clearly demonstrated
Except it wasn't. It's literally just a retarded fan theory. He went and did the one thing his fuck buddy told him he couldn't do not once, but fucking twice in one episode. Maybe go watch it again before shilling your stupid damage control.
If Ramsey kills Ghost. im Litterly dropping the show.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD A FLEET AND KING'S LANDING GONNA PAY FOR IT
>>69903799
Faceless sends Arya to kill one more time but she cant use faces, sees a play of westerosi gossip. Bran goes back in time with three eyed raven, then he goes back and sees the white walkers army, gets touched by the white king and because of that the white walkers can find bran and kill him. Cia teleports to the wall and talks to sansa about how sorry he is and how he got the vale army. Varys and tyrion team up with red priest. Yara and Theon fail on getting the salt throne so they flee with all the ships, Euron gets mad. Bran goes back in time and fucks up Hodor, he wargs on him and hears Meera on the present say "Hold the door" and the echoes drives Whilis mad, making him have a seizure and say "Hold the door, Hold e door, Ho..l.d.. door, Ho..door, Hodor". Hodor dies holding the door. End.
>>69904224
maybe watch the 6 seasons of hodor being named hodor before spewing your retarded ramblings?
if he changed the past then hodor wouldnt have been hodor before now you fucking retard
>>69904071
>from good political drama, to fantasy land time traveling casual friendly
Hate to say this but your right. damn this show got fucking shit
LITERALLY WHAT IS THE POINT OF ARYA ANYMORE?????
Why hasn't Bran warged into any of his family members?
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Ramsey and kills Tonks episode
>it's a Preston Jacobs was right once again episode
>>69904212
is that why a large portion of scientist think our world exist in block time?
is that why large portions of popular science fiction are written in block time?
hearing you retards speak about things you don't understand is giving me cancer im leaving this hell hole
last episode was still worse, goddamn i wish it was this easy setting a refugee center alight
>Bran whispered to Melly and told her Stannis was AA to save Jon
>>69904293
Being a strong and independent woman.
Are you people going to complain as well when this turns up in the book?
>>69904132
>He has a cock.
REKT
>>69904340
What happens if I go back in time and nuke the entire Earth killing everything on it. What then? How is the universe going to explain that paradox?
>>69904271
>The past comes before the present
Fucking wew lad no shit. Doesn't change the fact that he changed the past. Just because the show starts off before tonight's episode chronologically doesn't mean he didn't change it. He even fucking communicated with someone in the past.
In fact they pretty much revealed all that 'voices in the flames' bullshit is pretty much just future wargs.
>>69904391
care to elaborate?
>>69904293
the faceless men and their death god will play some important part
they will turn out to be villians (with the white walkers) and arya will stop them
>>69898879
That fucking "twist" was so shit. I hate FPSes but I labored through that one and was disappointed in the end.
>>69904293
Filler. Literally the entirety of Arya's arc has been filler ever since the Hound died. She exists so the writers only have to make 10-15 minutes of actual relevant content per episode, Same as Dany.
>>69904402
the books are never coming out
>>69904402
>implying
>>69904432
you couldnt go back in time and do that thats the fucking point
because if you were going to do that
you already would have
if you cant understand a concept dont mock it
its not about the universe "explaining the paradox" its about the universe avoiding paradoxes by self calculating future events in one sweep
you're thinking about time as if the universe cares what comes first
the reason its called block time is because you have to think about it from the perspective of time being another dimension of space (which it is)
the universe doesnt have any idea that left comes before right because it doesnt, the only reason you perceive time as a limitation like this is because you are a being that experiences time linearly
>>69904293
NONE.
ARYA ONLY LIVES BECAUSE SHE IS GEORGE'S WIFE'S FAVORITE CHARACTER
>>69904402
>he thinks another book will EVER be released
>>69903368
I agree. Too many paradoxes. I liked Looper but the end really answers nothing. How did that kid become the big bad in the first ever timeline? Time travel creates more questions than it solves. I wished they would have just made it so they looked at the past and not intefered in GoT
>>69901567
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>69904340
>block time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternalism_%28philosophy_of_time%29#Apparent_differences_between_past.2C_present_and_future
Literally nothing on that page implies convoluted flows of cause and event. The thing which makes hodor say hodor would still have to be in the relative past of the first time he said hodor. This page suggests its merely an illusion that the preceding event can no longer be observed empirically.
Way to misrepresent the theory fag. This show is implying that you can have an intermediate flow of cause and event from the future to the past with the present existing in 5th and 6th dimensions.
Not the same thing.
>>69903690
Closed loops don't just appear out of nowhere, unless time flows in both directions and causality is meaningless. Determinism without causality is just a fucking boring idea.
>>69894970
Mfw hodor was secretly a black person this entire time hodadoor ho'door
>>69899688
Kek
Madman
>>69904647
time doesnt flow
does the third dimension flow?
>>69904577
>because if you were going to do that
>you already would have
How could I have already done it if I had to be alive in the future to do it?
>people complaining about Time Travel when Aliens are pretty much confirmed to appear at the end of the show
Dire wolf Deaths.
>Summer
Litterly dead for no reason other then to save CGI costs. Cunts DnD
>Shaggy dog
You better beleve he's fucking dead and killed off screen
>Greywind
RIP killed by freys. insult to injury of the Red weding
>Lady
Killed for litterly being the same animal as Nymeria
>Nymeria
Ran off and abandonded her Stark
>Ghost
In Ramseys sights to save all the fucking CGI costs for Danny dragon riding shitscreen
>>69904711
if you legitimately dont understand something why can't you just accept that and move on instead of acting like its a ridiculous concept
>>69899688
WITNESSED
>>69904483
>That fucking "twist" was so shit.2deep4u
>>69897204
Bran typed and deleted this thread
>>69904340
>Im so smart ill leave so nobody can discuss anything with me
How to spot a guy who is smarter than he thinks
>>69904722
>Ran off and abandonded her Stark
That's not true. Arya had to throw rocks at her for an hour to drive her off she kept trying to come back.
>>69903581
>primer
>entertaining
It may be clever, but let's be honest, it's not fucking entertaining
>>69904402
>books
>>69899688
easily best dubs i've ever seen
>>69894970
Bran means crow in Irish.
>>69904722
>>Nymeria Ran off and abandonded her Stark
Fucking hell eat shit you know that's a lie.
“He said the same thing he’d been saying for hours. Burn them all” After todays episode that may have a whole new meaning.
If Ciri can time travel as well as go to other dimensions why doesn't she come to this one with a bomber jet or nuke and blow up the Others
>>69904752
If I have a full arsenal of nukes, the knowledge and will to use them, and a large enough time travel machine to bring it all back, what exactly is stopping me from doing so?
>>69904705
We go through time in only one direction, that is what I meant with 'flow'. A closed loop would mean that Wyllis becomes Hodor before that which causes him to become Hodor happens, impossible unless time actually went from future to past. Causality would thus not be a rule. Yet still determinism, all set in stone, ink is dry.
>>69904840
Bran waring into you
>>69904840
PLOT ARMOUR YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
>>69899688
Quality shit
>>69904840
The fact that if you had done it, you wouldn't exist, therefore you are not going to do it. That's how this works.
>>69904829
Bran didn't warg into Aerys. He drove him mad by whispering to him.
>>69904869
>We go through time in only one direction, that is what I meant with 'flow'.
Again, there is no proof of this.
>>69904840
the fact that in block time everthing is already determined and you dont actually have free will you only have the illusion of free will
>>69902669
C'est la vie.
>>69904869
"before" is a meaningless concept when approaching causality from a sense of time as a dimension of space
is left before right? no
is backwards before forwards? no
>>69904942
As I said, you need to throw this out of the window in order to make sense of the scene... which I do not like.
>>69904945
So basically the universe has arbitrarily decided that there can never a man with nukes, a time machine, and the determination to use them because it would cause a paradox
tfw Bran is now stuck in a time loop and he have to witness everyone he loves dead over and over again and even sending Jon and Dany back in time to become Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa to stop the WW menance but still the future persist still until Bran realize to stop the future he must erase everything from existence thus the Doom of Valyria will happen but this time it will be on westeros
>>69905011
That is no longer 'causality' in the way we use the word. In your view time is just a line/cube/block whatever, there is no past, present or future, just the fucking block, which is boring.
>people don't understand that anything Bran does is already part of the timeline since any changes that happen in the timeline will go unnoticed by him since he already made those changes
>>69904721
>Aliens are pretty much confirmed to appear at the end of the show
Dragons come from the Moon (or comets?), so technically they're aliens.
what proof is there that Bran the Build in fact is Bran Stark?
>>69903404
The ink is dry, the past is written. They can just see it unfold.
>>69905130
Dragons are genetic engineering, they are probably part human too.
>>69905047
>It's a Bran usesCHIMepisode
>>69905112
mfw when I warged into you when I typed this and am thus talking to myself in the past, future and present
>>69905105
Someone post this shit on reddit so D&D can implement it when they run out of ideas. Say the old dude retroactively caused the Doom Guy to happen and was training Bran to do the same
>>69904722
>Shaggy dog
Not 100% comfirmed.
>Nymeria
Only survivor.
>>69899688
Waggoo
>>69899688
Ya did it Doc!
>>69905209
>Not 100% comfirmed.
Yes, I'm sure Summer is still alive too.
>>69905018
why? as far as our world goes all of these concepts are hypothetically possible
>>69905029
>arbitrarily
no
>decided
no
>to stop a paradox
no
the entire reason a paradox cannot exist is because the word paradox represents a concept of something that cannot exist
a human brain is a ball of atoms held together by various forces
human thoughts are driven by neurons firing in your brain
now in a hypothetical world were i could know both the position and velocity of all the particles and energy in your brain and had sufficient knowledge to do so I could predict every action you would ever commit for the rest of your life
the idea is that because the world is ruled entirely by either concise laws or randomness (things that have % chances to happen multiple ways) that anything could hypothetically be predicted given sufficient knowledge and so free will cannot exist.
nothing is "deciding" anything other than the laws of physics
>>69905085
I disagree
especially because I believe thats how the real world works
>>69905209
>Not 100% comfirmed.
With the reasoning behind them just killing Summer, that being fucking none. Gimmie a good fucking Reason why DnD CUNTS would keep Shaggy dog alive?
>>69905112
>not understanding the finer points temporal mechanics
None of you would be made Chief Engineer.
>Martin: I do get tired of posing for pictures all the time.
>Me: Well, you’re quite famous now.
>Martin: I wasn’t unknown before.
>Me: True, among us. But you were never a guest on Conan before.
>Martin: True.
>Around the third time we were on the elevator together, he pushed he button for our floor and then asked the others what floors they needed, and then after everyone left, he turned to me.
>Martin: I always wanted to be an elevator operator. If the writing thing hadn’t worked out…
>We both laughed and went on to our rooms.
>The final time we ended up together, the conversation went like this:
>Me: I finally figured out why you have a character named “Hodor.”
>Martin: Oh?
>Me: I was thinking about your comment about wanting to be an elevator operator. It’s clear to me now that “Hodor” is short for “Hold the door.”
>Martin: (laughing) You don’t know how close to the truth you are!
This blog post was from 2014.
Martin was behind it all, stop blaming D&D for Martin being a hack writer.
>>69904293
To eventually be tasked with killing Daenerys obviously.
>>69904176
Still better than that one fag king that Brian kills
>>69899688
oh fuck doc
>>69902792
That's bullshit but I believe it.
>>69903590
I believe once a Commander of the Night's Watch married a female Other (White Walker). And he was a Stark.
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Rhaegar and has sex with Lyanna and fathers Jon episode
>>69903440
Time travel is already pretty much just a way to see the past. Everything that you do while traveling in time has already happened.
>>69905283
And how does any of that justify screaming in the relative future of young hodor being channeled through space-time by a 4th dimensional navigating being having direct responsibility for his becoming a mong who says hodor?
> I could predict every action you would ever commit for the rest of your life
The word predict implies directional flow of time, you are literally too stupid to realize that the terms you use to justify your incorrect application of 'block time' to this shit ass show contradict your argument.
Without Reed on the mountain in the relative future of young hodor yelling 'hold the door' to hodor he never would have been named hodor. That violates block time.
>>69905315
Arya will run away from Braavos.
this was upload 22.5? will doctor know to true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ
>>69905415
Warging into people makes them braindead.
>>69905283
Maybe infinite randomness created the concise laws that rule our existence
>>69904402
I'm hoping GRRM will treat it better in the books. I kinda like the premise but I'm hoping Martin will write it in a way where it's more of a special exception instead of all sorts of time travel bs is possible now.
>>69902808
One of the first men they captured. Initially when the first men sailed across the narrow sea like...a long fucking time ago they waged war against the children of the forest. Then the Andals came and they started splitting off into their houses and lands. Eventually the targaryans came as they decended from Valaryans. They had dragons, won the war and united the 7 kingdoms.
>>69905482
No, he deliberately damaged Hodor's brain. It was done intentionally.
>>69905438
>The word predict implies directional flow of time
no the word predict implies a sense of direcitonal flow of time as humans have
i accept that fact that humans experience time in one direction at a constant speed that doesnt mean that how time exist
im trying to explain a complex thought to someone who seems to have never thought about anything like this before so im keeping it simple
also the only thing needed to explain the hodor thing is a time loop combined with something about his method of warging that made him have a seizure
as far as that "violating block time" it certainly doesnt
just because time isnt linear doesnt mean its impossible for things to effect things over time in a straight line or any other shape for that matter
>>69905448
You think so? I think her whole plot is leading up to her being the one to supposedly kill Dany.
If you want good writing read the king killer chronicles
Hodor being a gigantic autist this entire time literally top kek
>>69905485
not saying your wrong but i prefer to work on what plausible
im not a philosopher
>>69905581
Is there something that explains it better? I want to understand it
>>69905615
We're mostly made up of empty space i.e. we are just the pilot to thus body connected through our brain somewhere back to whatever created all this
>>69902792
How GOT Ends>>69905047
>>69902630
It's no coincidence the primary director of Lost got in on the fun this week
>>69899688
TOP GET
>>69902623
how can Bran's "future" exist in the present?
>>69905304
source faggot. Or are you too scared to be revealed a witless chimp?
>>69905581
You are trying to explain a complex thought with words that have connotations that inherently contradict your notion.
I have already made my point that the theory you are referring to absolutely does preclude a convoluted cause and event chain above, which you ignored.
>>69904632
>predict implies a sense of direcitonal flow of time as humans have
Please don't tell me that the word predict now has a new esoteric new-age meaning because you utilized it incorrectly to serve a point you seem to have a tenuous grasp of yourself. You shouldn't have used predict because you are mixing thought experiments for different theories of time. You have confused yourself.
>>69905612
Well if i like asoiaf do you think ill like kkc?
>>69905708
>cannot into google
https://ventrellaquest.com/tag/game-of-thrones/
>>69905564
Give me one indication that he planned it and wanted him to braindead. One reason it would be more useful for him to be retarded
>>69905715
It's the best book ever written
>>69905283
If you actually think our real world works like this, shouldn't we have to be able to make sense of some events by taking effects as cause and cause as effect? I can't think of any such event.
>>69905165
A la Claymore.
>>69905713
i dont understand how i havent adressed that
cause and effect dont have to happen in any particular direction and can be any shape
a circle can exist in 4th dimensional space
if im missing your point completely maybe i misread somewhere
>>69905789
no we shouldn't
>>69905708
Is there even a door near Bran? And would it be a Bran/Hodor pov or a frogfu pov? I don't see any of this playing out in the books. I'm not saying the hold the door part is off just on when and why it happens will be different.
Where were you when ASOIAF sunk below books like KKC on the shit scale?
>>69905705
this
how does Bran going back in time ever happen in the first place? Shouldn't Hordor have never said Hordor if Bran went back in time that day and fucked his head forever? It's such a blaring paradox and doesn't make any sense.
When bran wars into hodor does he know how big of a cock he's packin
>All these people getting mad like it's their first time travel movie.
>All these people getting mad because a dog died that was literally never used
>All these people mad because Bran's plotline is the only thing actually giving lore from the last 3 fucking seasons
What you should be mad about is Arias bullshit plotline that literally never goes anywhere. Just let her in and have her do shit or kick her out, at least she has a job now instead of just sitting around now
>>69905816
Well in Hodor's case we do. Bran warged him in 'future', than Wyllis got Hodord in the 'past'
>>69905736
From the general;
>Bran does effect the past, once he does it though the changes become what always has been in the present.
>For example Hodor was never with them on the trip north and was never retarded. He grew up to be a great fighter Ser Wylis the Strong and was happily married. He died during the seige of Winterfell.
>Much later Bran was trying to escape from the zombies in the cave and he realized that him and Meera were both going to die because they were not strong enough to open the door at the end of the tunnel and then hold it closed against the undead.
>Then Bran remembered his brave friend Ser Wylis the Strong who his father knighted the year Bran was born in recognition of his defense of the North. If Ser Wylis was here he would be able to force open this door then hold the door closed against the zombies while Bran and Meera fled. So Bran travelled back in time and deliberately damaged Ser Wylis's brain, partially lobotomizing him, leaving him retarded but still strong and useful. Turning him into Hodor.
>To everyone else Hodor was always Hodor, always had been. The present immediately snapped into place to reflect the change in the past, the past that now always had been this way. When Bran grew up he rode around on the back of Hodor and sometimes possessed him and used him to murder people. And when the time came he mind controlled Hodor to hold that door shut while he was stabbed and bitten and torn to pieces by zombies. Bran had created a reality where he lived by changing the past which changed the present and all he had to do was permanently damage the brain of one man.
>As for Hodor, perhaps deep inside he remembered the good man he had been, the hero. And as he died screaming he screamed not only at the pain of the zombies teeth tearing into his flesh, but for the loss of Ser Wylis the Strong, the man whose entire life was not only ruined, but erased from existence.
>>69905847
Like you read kkc bud
>>69905896
That's not what happened, that's just retarded
>>69905872
that isnt a reversal of cause and effect
and just because a universe exist in a state of block time doesnt mean that anything is capable of moving through time in any direction or speed other than the one we experience and so we would never see "reverse" cause and effect
the reason im speaking as if time travel is real 100% is because im discussing this about a show in which time travel was just demonstrated to be real
>>69905866
Her plot line is stolen from the night angel trilogy. Interesting nonetheless. She's basically going to become a ninja god
>>69905723
>its a blogpost
wow way to go ahead and be a faggot. Why even bother wasting your time posting that shit you useless putrid pile of unfiltered molasses. Fuck you.
>>69905872
Yeah m8 but he can just tell you that it is in fact circular but your fault human subjective consciousness cannot perceive that.
This guy's an idiot and doesn't understand what he's talking about. Probably one of the writers for this idiotic show.
>>69905977
>and just because a universe exist in a state of block time doesnt mean that anything is capable of moving through time in any direction or speed other than the one we experience and so we would never see "reverse" cause and effect
except the character in this show who is responsible for this cause and effect
>the reason im speaking as if time travel is real 100% is because im discussing this about a show in which time travel was just demonstrated to be real
Except for your very previous sentence I guess?
just give up m8
>>69905858
Okay what you faggots need to understand is theres two kinds of time travel.
BttF time travel your decisions matter and if you go back you can change the past despite the fact that there will be glaring paradoxes.
Terminator time travel whatever you do caused what already happened and caused you to do what you did. Its an infinite loop that you can only understand after you've already done both parts.
This is obviously terminator style
>>69905843
>implying it wouldn't be a 3 eyed raven pov
You do know GRRM is heavily invested in using him in flashback pov chapters like in the show, right?
>>69905612
>Liking the Self-Insert Chronicles
kek
>>69905896
That's a plot element in the Phillip K. Dick story Ubik, a person who can alter reality by reflecting on the past and deciding to change certain details. Of course though, PKD is so fucking crazy that this wasn't even the focus of the story.
>>69905988
It is indeed a blogpost.
From two years ago.
>>69906055
yes exactly except for my very previous sentence
i was asked if in the real world we should be seeing reverse cause and effect
its like you people dont even read what i type
>>69905872
This makes no sense. If Bran had just went back in time to fuck Willis' head up with his future worged self being chased and hunted and killed, then him ever being in that situation with Horder is completely negated and should have logically never happened.
>>69906082
I haven't read them but I'd rather read about a shallow badass than the crap that was AFFC and ADWD
>>69906082
At least someone's getting paid to post
>>69905896
>Literally no source or backing despite wild fanfiction
>>69906117
not if you're working off of the steins;gate style timeline thing
although i think thats unlikely
https://ventrellaquest.com/2014/04/20/got-got/
>>69906152
We can all agree it's not going to be explained and makes no sense. They are going to pull a lost at the end and just jizz all over our faces
>>69905801
That dragon is too sexy.
>>69906117
Hodor wasn't even with them at all until the moment Bloodraven had Bran travel back to the courtyard the second time and damage his mind.
see;
>>69905896
>>69906117
I agree it makes little sense, unless you let go of some basic notions of causality and time.
>>69906196
it doesnt need to be explained to make sense
its just very likely that at the end we will have 2-3 ways in which it could be working
>>69906095
By an author who knows GRRM.
>>69906213
>basic notions
what you think are basic notions might not even be true in the real world so why do you seem so attached to them
>>69906115
You started this whole pointless conversation by claiming the obvious time paradox in this show as not a paradox if the GoT universe conforms to what you believe is the 'irl' nature of block time.
Now you are saying the show violates block time, or actually, that there is a thing in the show which violates a principle of block time you just fucking stipulated in your last post, and you never meant to apply the concept to the show to begin with?
Fuckin eck m8
inb4 you change your position yet again
>>69906229
Like?
>it's a Bran wargs into himself and him an hero episode
>>69906237
>by an author who """"""""""knows"""""""""" GRRM
>>69906329
>who do you think gave us the fappening
>>69905896
If Bran needed Hodor to get out of the cave, how did he even get to the cave in the timeline without him? Did the girl drag him? What did he do before the girl and her brother showed up? Was he just dragging himself along escaping Winterfell and shit?
>>69904890
fucking KEK
>>69906277
you arent understanding what im saying
i said that just because block time exist doesnt mean that things HAVE TO be capable of traveling through time in multiple directions or speeds but they dont HAVE TO not be either
now regardless of wither or not our universe exist in block time i can say with certainty that what we see in the show is easily explained away as block time and in fact can also be explained away with multiple other views on time and is no way a paradox
i bet you thought the end of interstellar was a paradox too
>>69906377
You realize that entire post can be boiled down to "ret-conning is now a world feature' right?
>>69906285
block time
timelines
only two i can think of but both of them work
>>69906269
They also might be true, and they make the world understandable and I've never experienced anything that contradicts it or points towards this block theory. Empiricism is potentially flawed or doesn't cover everything, but it seems the best way to go about making sense of reality and effectively living your life by.
>>69906390
Your persistence honestly has me believing you're a fucking shill m8.
Here's the bottom line: either Bran can literally influence the past or it is a paradox. Causal loops do not fucking work.
>>69906377
That timeline was erased and is now completely unknown and unknowable. We can only guess at what happened in the timeline that preceded this one that let Bran get to that cave.
Such is the power of CHIM.
>>69906423
No how would the show explain it.
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into Kurt Cobain and forces him to kill himself, thus ensuring that Nirvana's 4th, and greatest album is never released
I hate you Bran.
>>69906495
I just saw it as Bran heard the girl tell him to warg into Hodor, but he was also in the past so when he took him over to help in the future he took pastHodors mind into the future and basically mindraped him.
And inadvertently caused a time loop
>>69906666
The time loop was already there though, it was either caused by events in a different timeline (which then defaulted to the current) or we throw causality out the window.
>>69906575
>Implying he wouldn't warg into Courtney Love , turning her into an abusive addict, driving Kurt slowly mad until he--on a whim--ends his life.
Seriously fuck you Bran
>>69906521
i didnt say it would
>>69906459
your experiences wouldnt vary in any way from your view to block time as someone who cannot view time objectively you have no way to rule out other theories like that
>>69906485
i dont understand
why dont you read my post
i havent contradicted myself once and you keep claiming i have
you keep tacking on extra meanings to shit i say
heres the bottom line: casual loops do fucking work
http://backtothefuture.wikia.com/wiki/Predestination_paradox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loop#Quantum_computation_with_negative_delay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox
also please don't pretend that your opinion is fact
>>69906829
Oh youre just retarded lol
>>69906829
>....paradox
>....paradox
namaste
>>69906883
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_paradox
epic reading comprehension
>>69906748
I like fixed timeline time travel. The whole paradox idea isn't really impossible if you look at time travel as a 5th dimension. I like the idea that by going back you cause whatever happened in your own present
>>69906883
the fermi paradox is a factual observation of our own universe
paradox doesnt mean what you think it does
>>69906829
>your experiences wouldnt vary in any way from your view to block time as someone who cannot view time objectively you have no way to rule out other theories like that
unfalsifiable religous-tier hocus pocus. If you're gonna go full fantasy at least don't turn it into a deterministic world void of free will making the stories and progression of characters feel less meaningfull
Notice how it literally made no sense from our perspective for Bloodraven to take Bran back to the Winterfell courtyard to stand around a listen to some meaningless unimportant chatter while the Nights King was literally marching on them to attack them with his army, which they knew.
It only makes sense for Bloodraven to take Bran back there so he can damage Hodor's mind and make him retarded, so that the timeline described in
>>69905896
Can come into existence.
Otherwise why even take Bran back there, to that exact time, while they were under the greatest threat and running out of time. There is literally no other reason to go back to that time/place, watch the episode its just meaningless chatter. The only reason he took him there was to fry Hodor's brain.
>>69906824
Goddamn, he's worse than I thought.
>>69906900
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_paradox
>>69906938
>implying
I already know what the grandfather paradox is. Its exactly the kind of paradox you have been desperately trying to insist Game of Thrones has not fallen into.
Trying to throw in concepts using the word paradox to describe something completely different is pretty desperate btw.
>here's an example of a causal loop that works: the grandfather paradox
Your definition of 'work' is different from mine at this point.
>>69906943
why does that make anything less meaningful?
thats just how you feel not a factual observation.
>unfalsifiable religous-tier hocus pocus.
can you do some research before you throw around bullshit like this
there are plenty of reasons to believe different points of view on how time works and your view is just as "unfalisifiable" as mine yours just happens to be more comfortable to you
>>69906954
Just because he knew that was the moment that Bran had to go back and mindfuck him doesn't mean that the timeline isn't fixed. BR could have just been watching all of time and knew what had to be done in order to keep shit going, he is borderline omnipotent after all
>It's a Bran travels back in time and wargs into GRRM and has him stop writing Winds of Winter and just eat pizza, go to cons and hit on underage girls, eat lemoncakes, and blog about the Jets all while continually giving us slight hope that the book actually might ever be finished when it never, ever, will
I hate you Bran, I hate you so much I wish I could hate you to death.
>>69907085
>why does that make anything less meaningful?
thats just how you feel not a factual observation.
Yes this is my point, it´s a fantasy story which I´m not watching/reading in order to think about time / reality but to be entertained, which involves my feelings.
>an you do some research before you throw around bullshit like this
Research on timetravel? suuuuuuuuure. All I know is a bunch of different hypotheses on the subject which as good as it gets for me or anyone else
>there are plenty of reasons to believe different points of view on how time works and your view is just as "unfalisifiable" as mine yours just happens to be more comfortable to you.
Every event ever recorded follows causality (not sure about weird QM stuff I'm not schooled in that), it could be falsified quite easily by finding Hodor-Bran type situations irl or other kind of violations.
>>69907038
are you honestly trying to say that there are no rules in which the current happenings of game of thrones could be logically explained?
in a world with magic
in a world with possibly actual gods interacting with the world
as far as casual loops not working
they dont work in practice because the creation of the loop would never happen
but in a world with possible outside intervention theres no reason for it to be impossible
>>69907316
>Every event ever recorded follows causality
its like you havent read any of my previous post
jesus fucking christ im not saying hodor could actually happen in real life im saying that there is a set of laws when combined with FUCKING MAGIC could logically create a time loop
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about in regards to different views on time and I have no idea why im wasting time talking to a brick wall
>M-MUH CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
>M-MUH LINEAR EXPERIENCE OF TIME
im willing to bet that even if we had observed possible reverse causality you wouldnt know about it because you dont read fucking scientific literature.
>>69907446
>muh in a world of magic and fantasy shitlords cant accept ______ plot contrivance in YOOL 2016
lel you're a fucking shill fag fuck off
>>69907446
>im willing to bet that even if we had observed possible reverse causality
So that's a no then
>>69907515
you can accept plant people throwing magic fire bombs at frozen zombies but you cant accept this
jesus christ you're an autist
