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>>69163678
>>69163678
>>69168196
>post yfw R+L=J turns out to be wrong
Euron is good.
Is it true then, are we going to see authentic frog nipples?
Who /freefolk/ here?
>>69168196
Rhaegar did nothing wrong
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The King's going to be there
Everybody is going, Father
Take me as well
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Why is Ned going?
This is unfair.
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Hush now, Benjen
Ned is of age.
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But Lyanna isn't
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You can't joust, Ben
You're too little
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Shut it, macumber!
Lyanna just wants to see the prince is all
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Aye, I want to see if he's as dashing as they say
-Thats enough, Lyanna
They say the prince loved singing
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poor robert
-as it would be if i were a fair maiden
-Lya!
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Besides, tourneys bore me
-Lyanna!
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Enough of this!
Wylis, take these to the stables
one more day anons
Was Rhaegar a Mary Sue?
>smartest guy ever
>most handsome guy in the entire realm
>only started training in his late teens and still became one of the best, if not the best, fighter in the entire world
God bless Bobby B for putting an end to this cunt
They said there would be romance between sansa and davos
lol
>>69168299
Is there a pastebin?
>>69168299
It kinda sounds convincing but I don't see the proof
>>69168303
No because he was an emo faggot who was depressed all the time and lived and died for a prophecy that he ended up dying to fulfill.
>>69168299
you mean two more days
>>69168406For you
Who would Stannis support for the throne out of Tommen, Dany and Euron?
so what if R+L=J?
nobody would be able to prove it.
>sure kid, you've seen it in a """""""""vision"""""""""
>>69168406
anon posted same shit last few nights, he meant hell post the whole thing tomorrow
>>69168442
Dany
SHe has the most right out of the three
>>69168262
i died
>>69168447
Howland Reed can testify.
>>69168442
I don't think you "get" Stannis, son.
so from what I've gathered Euron will swim to Dany and try to marry her?
I clicked the flames for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor shows me __________
who to root for?
>>69168447
Rhaegar's will anon.
If LF gets his hands on it, he wouldnt announce it in the enemies' turf like Ned did, he'll make sure everyone hears it
So who's going to be the next ruler of the Iron Islands?
Yara? Euron? Theon? Some homeless person? Can anyone run in this election?
>>69168553
Euron. At the end of the series it might be Theon though.
>>69168518
Jaime
>>69168553
Tommen Baratheon by right of conquest.
>>69168303
he started yard training prepuberty. reminder he started reading at age 3, fell on his family's prophecies around age 9-10. for contrast Bran and his nuncle Benjen started yard training at age 6, the average age of noble's son does it.
>>69168303
>mary stew
>dying over a decade before the books begin
it's acceptible stew
>>69168317
one headless body is Marg, who is the other?
>>69168614
Gay man lover.
>>69168586
>Tommen Baratheon by right of conquest.
>right of conquest
>Iron Islands still have yet to be conquered
>>69168614
its not headless.
Bob Strong smashed Marg and the faggots head together
>>69168614
Jaime?
>>69168632
>im fucking plying Gregor can beat Loras
>>69168634
He's going to conquer them, or rather Tyrells and Lannisters will do it for him.
>>69168317
Is this a screencap of the season finale?
>>69168499
>I only see Snow when I look into the flames
What did R'hllor mean by this?
>>69168649
>Implying show Loras is a warrior instead of just a poof.
>>69168669
winter is coming
>>69168649
Loras would kill alive Mountain.
Undead freak might be indifferent to blows tho
>>69168299
lel
>>69168711
Loras got beat by fucking Brienne
I just wish that its not just LF that saves Jon in the last second, I want it to be the mormonts too
>>69168735
is there anyone that Brienne couldn't beat tho?
>>69168735
so was the hound
Mountain isn't very skilled, he's just a big man with a sword
Loras was a complete faggot at that tournament tho
>only making the mountain a zombie
>not making both the mountain and oberyn zombies
>not putting them in shiny golden armor and giving the mountain a huge hammer
>literally O&S of the westeros universe
>litearlly unstoppable
what a waste
Season 5 concept art
http://karakter.de//#/projects-post/game-of-thrones-5/
>>69168746
>I just wish that its not just LF that saves Jon in the last second, I want it to be the mormonts too
It will be both AND Stannis.
>>69168746
She almost lost to weak hound even with a valyrian sword and I don't think hound can beat the Mountain
>>69168495
Its obvious they're doing a variation of the book story.
>danys ships burned down
>iron born known for their ships and fighting at sea
Put two and two together
>>69168776
>and I don't think hound can beat the Mountain
its the other way around
>>69168762
i've read Euron x Cersei fanfiction more believable than Stannis being alive
THE OFFICIAL (not really) TIER LIST FOR GAME OF THRONES MEN
Tiers not ranked in order
Stannis the Mannis-tier
>Stannis the Mannis
God-tier
>Roose Bolton
>Tywin Lannister
>Littlefinger
>Varys
>Sandor Clegane
High-tier
>Jaime Lannister
>Bronn
>Oberyn Martell
>Ned Stark
>Barristan Selmy
>Davos Seaworth
>Jorah Mormont
>Tormund Giantsbane
>Theon "get Reekd" Greyjoy
Above Average-tier
>Tyrion Lannister
>Robert Baratheon
>Robb Stark
>Walder Frey
>Renly Baratheon
Medium-tier
>Jon Snow
>Brandon Stark
>Podrick
>Samwell Tarly
>Grey Worm
>Gregor Clegane
Meme-tier
>Hodor
>Valar Morghullis Jaqen H'gar
>"Too old"
>Ramsay "LMAO LITERALLY EATING DICKS XD" Bolton
Shit-tier
>Joffrey Lannister
>Tommen Baratheon
>Olly
>Karl Fookin' Tanner
Who would win: Gregor Clegane or Robert Strong. Swords (and shields) of their choice and both wearing plate armor.
> people in this thread think book Loras can beat the mountain
> implying he didn't run for cover after he swindled Greg in the joust
> implying he is a better swordsman than jaime who didn't like his own chances
Who /Garlan/ here anyway?
>>69168824
the mountain would beat the two of them t b h
>>69168750
>>69168801
How do you even get close enough to stab him? Oberyn at least had a spear.
>>69168824
Robert probably
>>69168839
Garlan is a better swordsman but Loras is better with a lance. Loras is superior in a cavalry charge but Garlan on the ground
>>69168822
>Stannis the Mannis-tier
Do you mean meme tier?
>>69168262
top fucking kek
>>69168850
The Hound is one of the most underrated fighters in Westeros, it all comes down to because everyone thinks of him as a thug while every other known 'great' fighters are knights (Hound hates knights)
In Robert's tourney, Mountian had all intention to kill the Hound when they fought while the Hound never actually fought back but instead parried all the Mountain's attack
a charcter even noticed that Hound had all the chances to strike a killing blow but he didnt took it
>>69168876
it sucks that autists love Stannis because without the memes he's actually a very interesting and tragic character
Could Jaime survive the onslaught if he actually stabbed the High Sparrow?
He did not have his other hand but the sparrow were armed with batons
>>69168824
>>69168848
Robert Strong is undead construct, probably immune to pain.
>>69168903
He would die and wouldn't take a single sparrow with him. Clubs are a pretty good weapon, especially against an asshole who forgot his helmet at home
>>69168903
Not with only left hand. Plus it would have been a bad move politically
>>69168801
The Hound is almost as strong as the Mountain and a much better swordsman.
>>69168903
He had fine steel and kingsguard armor, they had iron blunt weapons and rags. Even if Jaime swung like a blind man he'd be able to take most of them down until one hit his head, and if he wore a fucking helmet ever he'd wipe them all out easily
>>69168903
yes. he needed to kill the high sparrow and quickly announce himself as the new high sparrow.
So if the Umbers turn on the Starks who the hell is left in the north? Who's going to rally around Jon? The fucking Manderly's!?
>>69168801
I believe the Mountain's major advantage, besides his brute strength, is the intimidation factor. Sandor, knowing Gregor intimately and growing up with him, is probably immune to his shit already.
>>69168970
Ond guy bashing at him and taking him down would end for jaome
>>69168970
you watch too much anime
>>69168262
there needs to be one with pic related
>>69168892
>Underrated
>Jaime says in his prime the cleganes may beat him
I don't think so, Tim.
>>69168986
Mormonts + Wildlings
>>69168903
killing them isnt the issue, the problem is margery
did he know about Jon, lads?
>>69168986
Reed, Dustin, Mormont... The North is a big place.
>>69168892
You could say the Hound had a ruff childhood.
>>69169027
no reason for him to know.
>>69169032
none of them are in the show im afraid
>>69169027
Almost certainly, about Jon and/or Aegon.
>>69168970
I don't think you understand the purpose of blunt weapons. It's to deform the armor around the body and crush it. Blunt weaponry turns the advantage of plate into a disadvantage.
Is Bad Poosy the greatest fighter in Westeros?
She defeated this guy with a single hit.
>>69169032
>Dustin
Barbrey is still buttmad at the Starks, not to mention a Stark bastard. She also loathes Ramsey, so the question is pretty open.
>>69169048
>Mormont and Reed aren't in the show
Dustin was mentioned at least once by Arya, for what its worth.
>>69169062
>tfw we never got to see him swing his axe
>>69169062
>She defeated this guy with a single hit.
BRAVO D&D
>>69168614
probably loras
Reminder that Robb made the right choice.
>>69169118
ok he's qt but that smile went a bit too far
>>69168903
Competent/Consistent Writer
>Jaime wins, since the sparrows would no draw blood in the fucking sept of all places
D&D
>fuck it
also what was the point of that scene again? why did HS enter the sept other than to threaten and intimidate Jaime?
>>69169017
>jaime says
Of course thats the point isn't? a great fighter who actually saw the cleganes fight would acknowledge their worth, but normal people who only see the Hound as a bodyguard wouldnt appreciate him
>>69169118
>flat
>horse teeth
I'm not so sure about that.
>>69169150
>blonde
andals
>redhead
some of first man
>>69169161
>some of first man
Also Riverlanders
>>69168986
Mormont's, Ryswells, Crannogmen in general, Glovers. There are a few.
>>69169062
> Chekov's Polearm
> Never used
If I was Wolkan, I would either be trying to escape on a horse to Castle Black (is he aware that they have no maester?), or conspiring to kill Ramsay.
Will Wyman Manderly appear this season, or any Manderlys for that matter?
>>69169151
>flat
just baiting people into posting attack attack well done.
>>69168274
Is that a RED DOOR I spy in the tower of joy?
>>69169100
AKSHULY IT'S A POLEAXE..
>>69169212
>so suprising wouldn have expected that? Remember, in our story everyone can die. So witty
>>69169234
yes and yes
So if Jon is proven to be a targaryen, how would that influence Dany's claim to the iron throne. Would she throw her support behind Jon, would they co-rule or would they fight each other. Assuming Jon wants the throne for himself of course.
>>69169062
It was a sneak attack for 20x critical
>>69169263
He's still a bastard, and until someone legitimizes him he will stay that way. Targ succession laws puts ANY male relatives before females. Her claim would be gone.
>>69169263
That would probably depend on whether she sees Jon as MUH JUST AND MERCIFUL RULER
Then again it's possible "breaking the wheel" will mean democracy
>>69169263
>implying they won't fall in love
>>69169263
Dany's prophecy says that she must go backwards to move forwards
it could mean that she should come back as being someone's wife isntead of trying to be a ruler
>>69169263
Jon doesnt care about the iron throne. Plus he is in the nights watch, so he cant be king and all that
>>69169344
>Democracy in a country where 95% of the population is illiterate and has been under the thumb of a landed nobility for thousands of years
Yeah nah. D&D might try it though. They are already pitching 21st century feminism and morals. So why not just go off the deep end.
>>69169118
>le big assed slag face
I'd kill a million babies to cum between her asscheeks
>>69168267
WE ARE NOT KNEELERS!
>>69169381
lol
>>69169381
Night's Watch oaths end at death. He died. He is free from them.
>>69169344
>>69169382
Not democracy, a house of lords sort of deal where power is shared among the great houses in a faux-parliament. It seems to be Baelish's goal as well
>>69169316
Well in this scenario he wouldnt be a bastard anymore. If Jon acts on his claim to the throne, Dany's rights would be forfeit. Im just wondering if she would voluntarily fall in line so to speak.
>>69168242
He looks like a common thug.
>>69169416
what you're talking about is republic senpai
>>69169423
You look like a common thug.
Post headcanons and lets see if any of it could actually make sense
>Jon Aryn with Robert Baratheon visits winterfell to take Ned with them to the vale
>Bobby sees Lyanna and is infatuated
>Bobby sees that Ned, Brandon and Benjen is sparring with wooden swords
>Jon aryn introduces Bobby to them
>Bobby asks to join them
>Brandon asks who he wants to spar with
>"Him" Bobby says while pointing his sword at Wylis
>Wylis is reluctant but is convinced by Lyanna
>Bobby keeps on glancing at Lyanna while sparring
>Wylis starts to overpower him
>Bobby stops holding back and hits Wylis for real and shows off to Lyanna thinking it would impress her
>Bobby hits Wylis too hard in the head
>the Starks overlook the injury since Bobby is Aryn's boy
Since then Lyanna had a negative view about Bobby B
>>69168274
IS THAT A LEMON TREE?
>>69169447
>house of lords
>republic
angry britbongs in 4...3...2...
>>69169353
Well, a little incest does run in the family
>>69169420
What exactly wouldn't make him a bastard now?
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>>69169453
>Implying
Pic related it's me so you better think real carefully before you post your next post.
>>69168242
HE IS THE GOOD
>>69169447
You do realize in the old days they literally had a parliament made up of nobles that answered to the king right?
>>69169420
I dont think dany will just believe Hawland Reed. Now if Jon performs some targ magic shit dany might forfeit
>>69168196
So give it to me straight bookfags...Did Rhaegar really loved Lyanna (and vice versa)? Or did he just kidnap her to stick it to Robert?
Why did Ramsey decide to kidnap and torture Theon in the first place?
Did Ramsey know about his fathers plans to betray the Starks at that point, or was he torturous him because Theon attacked winterfell and the Starks and Boltons were still allies at that point
Is this the best image of Melisandre?
>>69169488
Evidence that he wasnt born out of wedlock (and R + L of course)
>>69169423
He looks like Ewan McGregor.and he also had the high ground
>>69169503
Fuck off. Bookfags don't know anything anymore. It's all OC now. Stop fishing for spoilers you entitled cunt.
>>69169503
According to Dany's vision he uttered a woman's name before dying
>>69169493
Yes but the other anon didn't mention any king. A room full of nobility voting for what is to be done is literally equivalent to the roman republic
>>69169489
you dropped this, bitch.
>>69169457
Bobby was probably such a fat fucking asshole as a kid
>>69169503
It is heavily implied
>>69169503
Rhaegar didn't care about Bobby B at all
>>69169517
Interdasting...
>>69169514
They know shit tons more stuff than us showfags, stay butt sored
>>69168303
>mary sue
>dead
pick one
>>69169457
i does, i like it
no interaction between Hoddor and King Robert tho.
>>69169525
I should have probably mentioned that there was still a monarch involved, I thought it was implied when I brought up the House of Lords which is by appointment
>>69169544
I bet he cared about his mace.
>>69169263
Have there been instances of co-regency in the lore?
>>69169555
oh well in that case not a republic then
>>69169510
How is that not born out of wedlock?
>>69169503
probably for some prophecy
>>69169503
Robert is just a natural born cuck and couldn't handle it
>>69169503
it was literally a retelling of Paris and Helen, so yes.
>>69169534
Bobby was chad incarnate. 6'4, super muscled, super strong, charmed everybody, made his enemies come over to his side... if anybody's a mary sue its young robert. His claim is fucking garbage and yet he convinces the entire north kingdom as well as the riverlands to rally behind him? lol.
Plus his ridiculous hammer. GRRM says that Ned couldn't lift it in one hand. And we're supposed to believe Robert swung it around with one.
>>69169503
No he was a genuine pure at heart white knight in a shining armor. That's what so tragic/ironic about him.
>>69169543
>>69169584
>>69169587
>>69169588
>it was literally a retelling of Paris and Helen, so yes.
Of course! Thanks for replying bros.
>>69169590
>swinging around a warhammer with one hand
bravo gurrm
>>69169457
Bobby B was a whoring asshole. You dont need more reasons to have negative view about him
>>69169590
Such a Chad his waifu fucked a twink kek, and then his second wife fucked her own brother instead. Makes sense why they use a stag for the Baratheon coat of arms
>>69169590
Yeah that's young bobby not kid bobby. Kid bobby I imagine was an obnoxious faggot.
So we can all agree that Rhaegar loved Lyanna long before the Tourney at Harrenhal right?
why else would Rhaegar rigged the Tourney and win the blue rose for Lya? the whole thing was a wink to Lyanna
>>69169590
>And we're supposed to believe Robert swung it around with one.
This is a world where there are people that can crush skulls like it was pheasant eggs.
>>69169590
>mary sue
>miserable fat drunk king-cuck
wat?
>>69169624
It's romantic bullshit about "love at first sight" dude, unless you on the assumption she was the knight of the laughing tree
>>69169624
He might have fallen for her at first sight. It fits the whole prince charming routine.
>>69169621
>Makes sense why they use a stag for the Baratheon coat of arms
That was literally confirmed by GRRM a long time ago.
The point of the first books was being a subversion of the typical medieval ballad tropes.
Rhaegar was a prince charming, a beautiful boy straight out of a maiden's dream, he played the harp, fought valliantly with a sword, was a troubled soul in love with someone he shouldn't love, and then the fabled prince meets the real world, Robert was a man straight out real middle ages, strong, rash, moved by anger and revenge.
To make the point come across nicely, when fables meet the real world reality, they shatter; Rhaegar shattered against Robert's hammer.
But then, a certain writer became soft, he admitted that a lady friend of his "convinced" him to put dragons back in the book world, he started putting more and more of those fable tropes he was trying to shatter in the first place: the princess with her own special uniqueness (the dragons), a family where everyone gets to be super extreme special (a warg/exceptional young general, Azhor Azai reborn himself, a girl getting schooled by the most elite spy in the seven kingdoms, a shapeshifter elite assassin girl, a young boy exploring unknown lands) and, alas, the secret magical bastard trope fits right in.
Anyhow, it doesn't matter if Lyanna loved him back, it doesn't matter if it was a love escape, Rhaegar was a married man with a child, Lyanna was bethroted to a very important and powerful lord. Escaping together was a crime against the kingdom, making it look like a kidnapping was even more irresponsible.
>>69168242
Edge lord Preston liked him
>>69169662
>unMountain
>people
>>69169662
Gregor is like the strongest guy alive though
>>69169607
It would work if its built like a Mace, you know actually designed to be used in battle. But GRRM describes it in this completely implausible way like it's Mjolnir or whatever.
>>69169621
Young Robert. Old Robert I agree is a sad old drunkard.
>>69169623
Kid Bobby was ultra chad compared to Stannis.
>>69169564
>mace
you mean warhammer?
>>69169679
>>69169682
>love at first sight
>already knew she loved blue roses
>meanwhile the tourney had an 'anonymous' sponsor
>>69169621
>The term Stag cuckold differs from the usual use of the term cuckold. According to Sage Vivant, author of the book 'Your Erotic Personality', Stag cuckolds are typically heterosexual men who get off on the idea of their wives or girlfriends being with other men but do not really fit the historical term cuckold. Many such men dislike the term cuckold because society has denigrated its meaning, making it a shameful thing. The term cuckold has not only been misunderstood but also rather disrespected throughout history. They were seen as weak men that in a bizarre tradition from Europe were seen to wear antlers as symbols of this supposed weakness.
kek
>>69169607
>he thinks warhammers are WoW dwarf mauls with heads the size of your human head
>>69169662
This was so fucking satisfying
Fuck that guy
>>69169690
so Love is the death of duty? where do you think maester aemon got that story anon
>>69169662
Gregor has legit giantism and hysterical strength. Not really comparable. People in real life do that shit man.
Tell me, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?
No.
So they will not love.
Love is the death of duty.
If the day should ever come when your lord father was forced to choose between honor on the one hand and those he loves on the other, what would he do?
He He would do whatever was right.
No matter what.
Then Lord Stark is one man in 10,000.
Most of us are not so strong.
What is honor compared to a woman's love?
And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms?
Or a brother's smile?
this whole shit was about both Rhaegar and Lyanna dumping their duties for their own selfish endaevors
>>69169624
Nope, he loved her after she protected Howland Reed's honor and Rhaegar went to find the Laughing Tree Knight. Instead he found Lyanna, and was impressed with her jousting skills. Then they fugged
>>69169725
This is how it looks like
>>69169679
>>69169682
>Falling for Targ propaganda
Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna to because of his delusion of fulfilling some stupid prophecy, There was no love involved.
>>69169690
Yes.
Lyanna was a placeholder.
In fact, the whole per-Rebellion drama was a placeholder. Prophecy, romantic love, all that, it's just labels for motives and the bullshit that people tell themselves. That's gurm's point.
This is why R+L=J is such a shabby resolution for the plot.
>>69169714
Like I said, knight of laughing tree is the only explanation for it besides love at first sight
>>69169725
They are in ASOIAF
>>69169503
C L E A V A G E
>>69169766
Shouldn't the mace break the handle apart with its weight after one swing?
>>69169590
Robert was strong and swole, not perfect.
He had a penchant for whores even when he was officially engaged to Lyanna, was always prone to anger. The fact that he was good looking and strong doesn't put him in the same league as Rhaegar and his poem reading/harp playing ass.
>>69169619
Rich and famous military leader in middle ages fucked whores because he was away from home for months and it was the absolutaly normal thing to do, even wives knew that. It was absolutely normal, if anything it helps putting Robert in context as a real human being instead of a fucking magic albino fableboy,
Why did Ramsey decide to kidnap and torture Theon in the first place?
Did Ramsey know about his fathers plans to betray the Starks at that point, or was he torturous him because Theon attacked winterfell and the Starks and Boltons were still allies at that point?
>>69169798
Not Valyrian Steel it has the tensile strength of nanotubes.
>>69169725
What you posted is a one handed war hammer. What we're talking about is supposed to be a two handed war hammer. Much heavier
>>69169791
Whatever you say Cuck King
>>69169727
Word
sexist pigs all deserve to be killed
>>69169752
people in real life can't crush a skull with their bare hands.
>>69169766
It looks retarded. the head is way too heavy
>>69169762
Technically it wasn't only love but more so it was Rheagar's obsession with the Azor Ahai prophecy. It was thinly disguised Targ narcissism.
>>69169806
Because it made Ramsay's penis happy
>>69169583
well thats going with the theory the were wed in secret
Daily reminder that Rhaegar has a WILL naming his son Jon as the true heir
with Jon being named after Jon cor instead of Aryn
>>69169833
>An 8 foot tall ripped giant of a man can't shove a normal peasants skull with the force to crack it apart against a stone wall
You are fucking dumb and unimaginative and it's a fantasy show
robert strong mordhau when
>>69169833
>plate gauntlets
>can't crush
Ok
>>69169727
>Told the truth about his giant dong
Are you just going to assume he's lying about fucking Cersei?
>>69169806
The last living male heir of Balon Greyjoy was good leverage to have. Roose himself said that he wanted to trade Theon in exchange for occupied northern land. Ramsay torturing him was just Ramsay being Ramsay.
Hope we get a prequel show about roberts rebellion desu
>>69169873
Rhaegar was fucking married already.
>>69168978
so underrated
> I am High Sparrow
>>69169825
Targ shits need to die. Rhaegar was already loosing his mind, few more years and he would have been mad king 2.0
>>69169813
Oh, didn't know the handle was made of valyrian steel. Carry on then.
W-WHAT IF BRAN CONTROLS UNDEAD MOUNTAIN?
>>69169873
He was already married you stupid fuck. He's still a bastard.
Also it's almost certain Jon is a rape baby.
>>69169915
As opposed to cuck king beta?
>>69169882
That's not what is being argued, retard. Try and keep up.
>>69169766
>This triggers rhe Targ fags
>>69169926
What if Doran does?
Preston has a vid about Qyburn being a Dorne agent.
>>69169892
Why would you want that?
The show aged the characters up by what, 10 years? then decided to keep Ned 16-19 during TOJ
I'd agree if we get to see this guy
>>69169873
Like any of that shit matters, the plan was probably just Rhaegar legitimizing him after the war, which didn't happen because he got his shit fucked up. He probably died laughing at what a cuck Bobby B was and not anything as grandiose as getting rubies smashed across the river
>>69169923
It isn't, not sure where that anon got that idea.
Robert's warhammer is regular old steel. It was forged by the smithy of the Night's Watch when he served at Storm's End IIRC
>>69169966
More like 5 years.
>rts players
Did our Lord Stannis in pic related had any chances to defend himself and his army if he could make better formation, stand etc?
posting best house
http://www.gwarchive.com/user/baeratheon
>>69169993
YOU JUST KNOW
>>69169993
>Scrag bites on her heels
Sophie just gets worse every year
>>69169993
>dem legs
HHHHHNNNNNNGHHHHHH
Sophie's look good too.
>>69169931
Fuck you. The kingdom was prosperous during Roberts reign.
Does anyone else hope Yara ends up with Theon?
There is no love more pure than that between brother and sister.
>>69169995
well, not standing out in the open when a cavalry force is approaching is one thing. But he was fucked anyway, enemy force was too numerous
>>69170011
Dead/usurped house
>>69170036
NO COCK
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>>69170035
Yeah, it was a bountiful time for Cersei's womb, shame the seed wasn't strong
>>69170036
The furthest Theon gets is being Euron's salt wife.
>>69170036
Do you think Alfie fucker Lily?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr2Grfi3lFg
Supposedly GRRM has hinted strongly that Stannis isn't going to die in Winds of Winter.
>>69170095
>things I pulled out of my ass this very moment
>>69170110
>>69170095
>King Stannis is still alive in my books
>I have thought of a twist with a dead character on the show thats alive in the books
>>69170066
>the seed wasn't strong
Robert got a fucking couple of dozens of bastards, Cersei aborted every single time she got pregnant with Robert's heirs, using moontea or whatever the fuck they call it in the show.
Every fucking time Cersei is shown as a caring mother, like they want the audience to feel pity for her, they should rember everyone she fucking drowned 20 fucking innocent children just because they were Robert's bastards.
>>69170110
Kill yourself showfag. He has said two characters who have died in the show won't die in books.
>>69170095
>he thinks another book will ever come out.
Look at me. I'm the canon now.
>>69170035
No thanks to Robert. The crown had empty coffers and owed money to every bank and rich family from Last Light to Qohor.
Aerys meanwhile left a full coffer, and besides that shit with Lyanna and him burning the Starks alive, most peasants still prefer Targ rule to the Usurper.
>>69170088
If he didn't then he must be Asexual or something
>>69170095
>not showing where he hinted it
Stannis fags
>>69170088
Wish I had a caring older sister.
>>69170131
>It's OK if you raise you your wife's sons as long as you have some bastards
Jesus Christ Bobby, give it a rest mate
>>69168822
You forgot to rank Brienne
>mfw Stannisfags haven't killed themselves yet
>>69170132
Barristan and Hizdahr zo Loraq dummy.
>>69170179
you better shut your mouth
It's been a while since I read the books. Is Jon Snow a good character? I can only remember him as being moody, sullen, emo, boring and dull. But automatically good at observation, insight, swordfighting, leadership, archery, warging, diplomacy, prophetic dreaming, and friendly to good people, and honourable and dutiful like his father. Which is why I kind of remember him as being a Mary Sue. Just another Harry Potter.
And I also keep hearing about how fans want him to be a legitimised Stark or a secret Targaryen or Azor Ahai or the Prince that was Promised, how they want him to ride a dragon and get a flaming sword, how they want him to save the world and marry Dany and become King.
That just makes him sound even more of a boring character to me.
Can some Jonfan give me an alternative and proper description on Jon Snow on why he's an interesting character you like? He must be complex and interesting in some ways, right?
>>69170184
>Hizdahr zo Loraq
Literally no one cares.
Fuck off femanon. Before the show the ASoIaF fandom was 90% male.
>>69170143
The fucking banks in Braavos didn't give a fuck about Robert's debt and galdly funded him, they liked having some political leverage with him.
That's why Bravosi taxmen only came around after Bobby was dead, you dumbfuck.
The Seven Kingdom were fucking kept in check by Bob, Iron Islanders were put in their place with no chance to fight back, Targ fucking shits were decimated, everyone else was gladly serving the king, something mad kings and pretty boy loyalists couldn't manage.
>>69169590
> Bobby was chad incarnate. 6'4, super muscled, super strong, charmed everybody, made his enemies come over to his side... if anybody's a mary sue its young robert. His claim is fucking garbage and yet he convinces the entire north kingdom as well as the riverlands to rally behind him? lol.
The King was a fucking psychopath who burned the warden of the north and his heir alive.
The rebellion started when Jon Arryn refused to give Ned to Aerys. It's easy to understand why the north and the riverlands rallied behind Bobby B
>>69169995
No
The crime D&D committed with Stannis was that they rendered almost his entire plot-line, his reason for being in the show, to be moot. It was pointless because in the end Stannis winds up having no affect on the world around him. The Boltons roll right over him and scarcely notice.
If it had been done more intelligently they might have done this:
>Season 5
We have that scene were Roose chastises Ramsay for playing some Cerwyns. Telling him they can't rule the North through fear alone.
So let's have a few more scenes like that. Give us something about the Hornwoods, maybe even name drop "that Forrester lord you killed".
Now whatever Stannis does with his family, have him actually put up a fight against the Boltons. He still loses and still dies, but the battle is a bloody one.
>Season 6
So in the aftermath the Boltons have won, but their forces have been gutted. They are much weaker now and have lost Sansa. The other northern lords hate them, and especially Ramsay. Once Ramsay's brother is born Roose (and Ramsay) realizes that to appease his vassals and maintain his grip on the North he'll have to denounce Ramsay's actions, strip him of his inheritance, and hand him over to the other Lords to dispense justice to (execute him).
This at least would show that Stannis and his army, even in total defeat, will have changed the landscape in the North with all the surviving characters forced to adapt this. So his plot-line actually had a point now. It was also give Ramsay a more convincing reason to murder his own father and brother. Maybe even HE knows his regime is doomed, but simply to stay alive he'll do whatever he needs to survive even one more day.
>>69168262
oh my
Which of the kingdoms were the most loyal to the targaryens and which would fully support a restoration?
>>69170207
>automatically good at swordfighting diplomacy, observation, friendly to good people
that wasn't automatic, he was raised in winterfell where they teached him swordfighting and the rest of his shit,
>archery, warging, prophetic dreaming
where the fuck did he do any of this?
Reminder these are Rhaegars actual thoughts
>Oh shit dawg that Northern bitch is making muh dick hard
>I'll kidnap her and throw in my rape dungeon
>Oh boy do I love raping little girls haha I bet that Baratheon faggot won't do a thing
>Oh no my breastplate was crushed in by Robert Baratheon, a man who is more handsome than me and is better than me at everything, especially sex. Also I have a small penis
>>69170262
Probably the Tyrells.
>>69170227
I wish this had happened instead of what we got.
Also it would solve the issue of Show Roose just appearing to be a complete retard. He was a much more interesting villain than Ramsay up until about season 5 where he just became weirdly illogical.
>>69170262
Dorne
The Riverlands
Tyrell are opportunists so they'll jump on the dragon bandwagon in seconds
>>69170207
I don't have you seek but don't compare Jon to Harry potter.
Jon is competent at quite a few things as you've mentioned.
Harry has never done anything for himself and has exactly one skill, sports. He gets carried through the whole story through nothing of his own devices.
>>69170262
Dorne because of martell
>>69170207
He's basically the everyman of ASOIAF. He's serviceable.
>>69170265
He warged into Ghost multiple times, even in the show, you dumbass. Everything else was mostly in the books.
>>69170220
>Be Brandon Stark
>Sister disapears
>Decide to go to Kings Landing
>Declare IN THE MAD KINGS court that I intend to kill his son and heir
>AHHHHHHHHH HELP ME DAD!
Should have asked nicely, to be honest
>>69170285
>Riverlands
What makes you say that
The only RL house that was even somewhat ambivalent during the Rebellion was Frey.
>>69170227
lol moron
>yeah this fanfiction shows that I can make better than awarded writers
>>69170213
>Bobbycucks are this buttblasted
The Targs will rise again and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
And why did he have to borrow money if the old king already left him with a perfectly fine economy? Because he liked to whore and drink and party, and not rule like a fucking adult. He preferred to act like a child all his life, and left actual work to better men.
The Whoredom King. The King with Horns. The Topcuck King. The Drunkard King.
>>69170265
Not that guy, but.
>Archery
Killed loads of wildlings at the battle for castle black, storm of swords. It's swordfighting in the show but in the book he's some kind of master archer despite us never seeing him train with a bow.
>warging
Varamyr Sixskins takes note that the warg-bond between jon and direwolf is exceptionally strong and that Jon is a powerful warg though he doesn't know it yet, books 3 and 5.
>prophetic dreaming
Every single book also he gets these even when awake sometimes, he seems to emotionally sense mormont is in danger in book 1 when the first wights attack.
>>69170299
>stir shit
>get burned
>ask nicely
>get burned
>do anything
>get burned
It's the Mad King we're talking about laddie
>>69170262
Tyrells and Dorne, a few houses in the Riverlands that are extinct now. Mind you after Red Wedding those opportunities have increased a great deal
Why do the later two books AFFC and ADWD feel like they've got no love in them? I've been re-reading the series lately and you could tell Marin was really in love with the idea of ASOIAF from the beginning but it seems to have really simmered and gotten dull after ASOS. I'm guessing this was due to the books getting too big after he originally planned it as a trilogy.
>>69170317
this. GIRL POWER
#destiny #Queen #Princess #Kalheesi
>>69168553
victarion duh
>>69170295
fucking when, citation needed otherwise it's just speculation about when he died.
>>69169590
Bobby is the stereotypical fantasy hero, rescuing the princess from the evil prince. And in the end he overthrows the mad king and becomes king himself. And he ruled wisely ever after... That's were the fairy tale falls apart.
>>69170129
He was talking about Mance
>>69170314
desu it looks far better than
>Oh yeah Stannis is marching here
>I'll just find his camp in a terrible snowstorm and burn all of his supplies somehow
>Looks like Stannis is dead
>No consequences for me
Who's the most alpha character in ASOIAF
>>69170317
>And why did he have to borrow money
He held tournaments, kept his people happy so money spent on feasts and tournaments wouldn't have to be spent sedating FUCKING REBELLIONS like the one the schizophrenic mad king caused.
It's better to spend money in panem et circenses instead of having enemies in every fucking nook and cranny of the fucking seven kingdoms like some highfire drinking retards did.
>>69169884
What's this?
>>69170338
>implying i'm a Danyfag
Aegon is the true King.
>>69170361
... you haven't read the books... lol. Jon wargs into ghost left and fucking right.
>>69170373
Khal Drogo
>>69170327
He didn't burn cunts if they didn't literally talk shit, Brandon should have just asked the Kingsguard what the fuck was going on, hell even Varys was a better person to ask. But he was a fuckwit and did exactly what a fuckwit would do by announcing his murderous intent in the court of an insane monarch like the dumb northern shit he was
>>69170320
All of those are explainable by normal circumstances. Archery: Winterfell training; warging: genetics (his bros/cousins have it too); prophetic dreams: tons of characters have those. In fact having prophetic dreams is strongly implied not to be a result of any internal trait but external intervention - BR sends Bran his dreams, Tyrion receives his from the Shrouded Man, etc.
>>69170373
Robert
Khal Drogo
The Mountain
Thormund
>>69170380
Westeros was pretty peaceful before Aerys time though. The last large scale civil war was the Blackfyre rebellion, and that was over a century before his time.
>>69170373
Walder Frey
>Slams pussy forever
>Gives no shits
>>69170308
Neat little series that talks about the loyalty of the riverlords if you're interested
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xivkvhigUfY
>>69170389
Not even a targ m8
>>69170406
Possibly, but A. Rhaegar was clearly in the wrong, and B. the King was batshit crazy and started fapping to fire and 'splosions already, not to mention utterly paranoid. It might have been the trigger but the potential was most definitely there, war was due.
>>69170418
Tell that to the fucking Greyjoys raiding Lannisport while the Mad Cunt was rambling about dragons, the same Grayjoys that shat their pants as soon as the Robert's Hammer sails appeared on the horizon.
>>69170373
craster
>>69170308
House Darry and Whent backed the Targs, they're all dead now though
>>69170452
>No male Blackfyre lines
>Implying he isn't a Targ through Aegor "Bittersteel" Rivers, who was legitimized, marriage to Calla Blackfyre
Literally more Targ than the actual Aegon VI would be
>>69170469
Why this obession with Aerys? He was one weak link in a chain of strong ones (with the exception of Aegon IV).
>>69170494
>autistic Euron
>>69170406
Areys should have thought about what he was going to do when north, vale, riverlands and stormlands all come knocking at his door before burning Rickard.
>>69169060
I think you vastly overestimate the potential of blunt weapons.
A halberd or Pole Axe? yeah, that would get through armour if you got a good hit in.
A one handed mace wouldn't, though it would stagger the wearer if you hit it right.
The shit tier weapons in the show certainly wouldn't, though granted the armour is just as terrible.
>>69170333
>Why do the later two books AFFC and ADWD feel like they've got no love in them?
'cause AFFC is where GRRM started going against his own original plan for the story and as such he has improvise.
Plus, he had a different editor who refused to reign him in. As such he added all these extra characters and plot-lines, without resolving the old ones, and now the story is even more complex than it was before.
He's starting to panic.
>>69170413
>Robert
Being cucked over and over again is far from alpha
>>69170333
Google "asoiaf time skip".
And let this be a warning to gardener-type writers everywhere.
>>69168267
/Val/
>tfw no qt 3.14 Wildling princess in the show.
>>69170513
>autistic
>not alpha
Who else is hyped as fucked for Sunday?
I don't think there has been a single episode or scene I've wanted to see more then Sunday's due to the ToJ scene (Besides Cleganebowl which we've had no hype/leaks/anything for). The fact we might finally have confirmation on a 20 year old theory (R+L=J) is fucking crazy, especially being that if it's on the show it's 100% going to be in the books (GRRM talked about there being something from the first book that he was going to reveal in the 6th book that people figured out a few months after the first book was released, the only thing I can possible think of is Jon's parentage).
Honestly I know the show won't do justice to how we've all imagined the scene to go in the books (The whole 'Promise me Ned' with her like having / giving him a baby etc.), but please DnD don't fuck this up.
Also if the ToJ scene doesn't fucking confirm Jon's parentage I'm going to be fucking pissed.
>>69170411
So Jon's good at fucking everything and his circumstances hand him the answer to every problem he has? Sounds a bit like Gary Stu syndrome to me.
>>69170380
I think somebody did the math and deduced it was impossible for Robert to be in as much debt as he was if it was just the tournaments.
So either GRRM doesn't know math or Bobby B was getting screwed some other way. Perhaps with Lord Baelish spending a lore more money than he was letting on.
I think it's probably the former though.
>>69170520
He lost in a trial by combat, who knew the fire obsessed king would choose fire as his champion? Maybe the courts was a better option but they had too much pride to possibly do that
>>69170503
>Strong links
Man, the targs were going mad after centuries of incest, it was made pretty fucking clear. Look at that fucking dimwit Viserys.
Those fucking retards couldn't even take care of their dragons, let alone a kingdom.
Meanwhile, thunderclap was majestic as fuck and was an amazing pet, unlike weakwing and targ fucking shits cat sized dragons.
>>69170566
The episode ends with Ned opening doors to the tower after beating the kingsguard :^)
>>69170574
Choosing wildfire as your champion is not fucking fair and you know it
>tfw Qybun cucks Varys out of his crossbow scene
>>69169899
>>69169927
>Church of the Seven monogamist plebes thinking their own self-imposed restrictions apply to their purple-eyed betters
>>69170494
>>69170494
"stand aside for your king fool"
"...i am the king"
"bro? wtf i heard you died"
"...i am death."
"uh...okk im sort of glad you're ok. wanna go inside for a cup of beer by the fire? there is a storm if you havent noticed."
"...i am the storm"
"..."
"valar morghulis"
"thats not what the drowned god says"
"...i am the drowned god."
"ok im done fuck you euron im out of here"
"...i am the one who is out of here."
Do you think Catelyn and Lysa's secret language will ever play a pivotal role again? I can imagine Catelyn teaching it to The Brotherhood Without Banners and that becoming their own sort of code.
>>69170566
I am 90% sure they will not reveal jons parentage this sunday. It will be too anticlimactic. They will do the reveal at a point when it will actually matters
>>69170397
in the show it has yet to happen so it doesn't matter
Only showfags and childish Stark fans think that AFFC and ADWD aren't the greatest books BY FAR in the series.
"no love in them" Fuck off. They are the books that have the most love in them in terms of characters and exploration of the new locations.
Just admit you don't read the books and only saw the show and I'm fine with that, but don't pretend you read all the books and still think that AFFC and ADWD are bad.
>>69170570
Mary Sue/Gary Stew doesn't mean a character is flawless or qualified beyond expectations, it means its qualities are inexplainable by any internal plot elements. Jon's qualities are pretty easy to explain and make sense in their context.
Btw keep in mind that the main points of comparison between Jon and other fighters/archers are mostly people with literally zero proper training (criminals and wildlings), which is also why he seems OP.
>>69170631
Why would anyone assume a guy who was called "the mad king" would play fair in a trial by combat? Should have called a trial of seven but
>MUH OLD GODS
Northerners are fucking spastic when it comes to this shit
>>69170542
I love that.
On a scale of 7-10 how moronic is the "I read on 4chan" leak here:
http://watchersonthewall.com/topic/where-is-episode-3-leak/
>>69170574
>283
>not being fire-resistant
shiggy
>>69170679
The Quiet Isle chapter in AFFC was the thing that convinced me GRRM was actually a genuinely decent writer.
And I love the slow, plodding pace of it, the world-building that comes with that, especially in Brienne's chapters, is great.
Personally I'd fuck Catelyn hard, and suck her toes.
She got great feet and I love mature feet.
>>69170711
Because you are autistic.
Does dany actually pay the second sons or are they following her because of daario 'muh beauty' naharis
>>69170678
I'm almost certain he's done it in the show too I just can't pinpoint you an episode because I don't love the show like I loved the books. You could probably go find it if you looked.
Furthermore this reply chain is about the books so stop acting retarded.
>>69170652
kek
>>69170494
kek looks like jack black
>>69170728
I loved Brienne's chapters too. Though I still think they were a bad idea, ultimately. They weren't efficient for the story, I mean.
I'd have taken the tone and world-building of Brienne's chapters and given them to Jaime instead.
If you trimmed the fat in AFFC and ADWD you could combine what was left into one great book that'd be a worth continuation of the series.
>>69170736
bitch smells like an ashtray, no thanks
>>69170088
I wonder how it feels to be the less talented one now
>>69170745
You mean the Storm Crows? In the books she pays. In the show not sure.
>>69170804
Would be pretty funny if Alfie sang it everytime he saw her
>>69170634
NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU D&D JESUS FUCK WHY
>>69170728
In my opinion, the absolute best part of these books, and what sets them apart, is that the new povs give a completely different look on the actions from the previous books.
It is no longer only the main players and lords and ladies, it is guards and priests and victims that comment on the game of their lords and kings.
And wwe get to see Cersei's pov instead of Tyrions and learn new stuff and realities that Tyrion hid from us or turns out to be a lie or false impression.
And fuck yeah for the Dornish, even if the story only rewards you at the very end and during rereads and fucking hell are the Ironborn interesting.
Tyrion is the only dreadful pov. But we learn so much about Essos in his chapters
>>69170716
God's work/10
But truly id love for Ghost to maul Olly
>>69170872
>>69170872
>>69170872
>>69170872
NEW THREAD
>>69170676
>Bran meets the past
>ToJ scene
>Last week showing Lyanna
The show doesn't have the best writing, this is the perfect set up / reveal for this type of thing. I 100% think they do it even in a very anticlimactic way.
>>69170629
>"Doors open to tower"
>*Fades to black*
>"Promise me Ned" (Still in black)
>Credits
>We are left in the exact same position we are in the books with the promise me Ned shit
I'd kms desu.
>69170872
>69170872
N
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>>69170869
We really should have had a peasant POV since the first book.
Perhaps a household guard in Winterfell or maybe some Lannister man in the West.
I agree that Cersei's POV was an excellent addition. However I don't like one-off characters outside of the prologue/epilogue scenes.
I don't like how the style of the books changes so suddenly this late into the series.
>>69170634
I think this 100% be the case
>>69170862
How would Varys to KL? Fly on a dragon?
>>69170941
>How would Varys to KL? Fly on a dragon?
Don't laugh, he has to get to Dorne somehow already, Tyrion probably gives him a lift. Which dragon would memedwarf choose?
>>69170941
>How would Varys to KL? Fly on a dragon?
>What are boats
>>69170983
>What is last episode
>"Well, we won't be sailing to Westeros anytime soon"
You really think Varys is going to leave fucking Meereen to kill someone when he can just 'hire' someone to do it for him?
Fucking autists man
>>69171028
But he goes to Dorne, how the fuck does he get there with no boats to meet Olenna for presumable reasons?
>>69171028
>What are merchant ships
>>69171070
>>69171090
Again my point being the show memed and said they won't be going to Westeros soon + the fact he can just hire someone to do it for him.
I don't understand your reasoning for him going all the way to KL just to kill Kevan especially since they're probably already wondering where he went since he left the same time Tyrion did + then he shows up and Kevan's dead?
I'm not ruling out the "getting another ship" bullshit, I'm ruling out the fact a smart dickless man like Varys risks everything to kill someone he doesn't need to kill (Obviously talking about show Varys, I understand why it happens in the books)
>>69171183
But which dragon would the memedwarf choose?
>>69169504
In s2 roose tells Robb he will send Ramsay to take back winter fell from theon once he gets the news. He only tortured him after cause he's a torturing dick
>>69171257
Viserion 100%, solely based on the 'gold color' meme.
>>69171310
I think Ramsay got off on it though, Ramsay is more than a little gay
>>69170528
Dumb cuck
I've seen episode 3. Ask me anything.
>>69171502
Can't give my source for obvious reasons, but saw the episode last night.
>>69171593
R+L=J confirmed?
>>69169931
>Cuck king
>Made the sissy bitch cry as he died from a crushed chest
>>69171608
Sort of, we see Lyanna give birth and die. Ned says he'll rasie the child but its not confirmed its Jon (pretty sure it is though)
>>69170373
Mance
