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Terror of the Zygons edition.
Is this story as GOAT as its reputation suggests?
Also reminder that Banks Stewart died just a few months ago.
Last season: >>68721316
Terror of the Zygonspigshit
>>68761975
I imagine Hartnell was probably a bit bigoted, but in the way you'd expect of a man of his class and generation, not having a weird aversion to ever acting alongside black people. I think AW has 'built her part' rather. This was previously claimed as the reason he didn't appear in scenes with Jewish, gay Max Adrian in The Myth Makers, but 1. Sidney Newman, Verity Lambert and William Russell were/are all Jewish, and 2. he wouldn't have lasted five minutes in showbusiness if he could really never stand working with gay people.
What do you think terry nation's kids would actually do if the BBC decided not to use the daleks one year? Would they throw a shitfit and do nothing only to realise nobody cares about the daleks as a standalone IP outside of doctor who, or will they make a shitty dalek movie like they're doing with K9 and Omega only to realise that nobody cares about the daleks as a standalone IP outside of doctor who?
>>68762137
Calling someone bigoted is inherently bigoted because you are considering your moral opinions to be superior to those of another person
don't be a hypocrite
>>68762243
No, this sort of relativism won't do.
Its pretty good. Even the Zygon look pretty decent. The new ones are better though.
>>68762204
Couldn't they sue BBC for being in breach of contract? Or is it probably something like if they don't use them they lose the license?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAPnONl7gzY
>>68762283
So you judge foreign cultures by our standards?
>>68762406
stop making me watch mrtardisautism
"Doctor Who is garbage."
How far do you agree with this statement?
>>68762724
Doctor Who is a shit show and I say this as a true fan.
>>68762406
his 'idea' for a new companion is ridiculously autistic
>>68762627
Stop accepting bad storytelling.
>>68762800
it might have been interesting as a one off companion like 10 years ago. the time war hasn't been relevant in ages.
>>68762406
>wacky jontron font in the thumbnail
>>68762724
It's garbage. But it's fun, amusing garbage.
>>68762406
What is he even complaining about? He starts off by saying that he has no issues with pearl or asbill and complains about the timing of the announcement as if it was a huge blunder
>>68762724
Pretty far. As in, yeah absolutely 100% it's true the show is shit
>>68762406
Why does he blame Moffat for literally everything? I mean yeah he makes a lot of decisions but I doubt Moffat was the one that said "hey guys lets do it during football". Seems realistically more of a BBC thing.
>>68761882
It has a great score, Baker really confident as the Doctor after being relatively tentative in season twelve, UNIT feeling completely different as an organisation after the more Pertweeish Robot, where if memory serves despite the cold look of seventies OB video a lot of the cosiness of late Pert is still in place. John Woodnutt and the other human-guise Zygon actors get a really eerie hostility going rather than the kind of thing you usually get with bodysnatcher performances, and once revealed the Zygons and their technology are beautifully designed. The Loch Ness Monster visit to London is fairly badly done, complete with crowd screams from fifties sound effects records, though not as badly done as it would have been with Barry Letts' insistence on using yellow, the most reflective colour, for CSO. I wonder why I like it so much, faintly disliking as I do most of this era, and realise that it's one of the few Hinchcliffe era stories that's not just a direct steal from an old movie they assumed the kids hadn't seen yet (though that doesn't help the next season's opener, which is a bit of a trope shuffle to me, despite the potential of the setting and culture.)
Downside - the phone conversation with 'Madame' Prime Minister isn't just a futuristic detail that subsequently came true, as Thatcher was already Tory leader by then - putting that in could be seen as a rejoinder to Letts' equally partisan reference to the Prime Minister as 'Jeremy' in The Green Death. That was harmless enough - even in 1973, the Liberal Party (whose leader was Jeremy Thorpe) had a very slim chance of winning. This reference is less endearing.
>>68762497
Yes, of course. So does everyone, really.
>>68762406
>that companion idea
>>68762406
I can't watch Youtube now, and what is this?
>>68763290
MrTurdisReviews complaining about the new companion and presenting his "better idea" which is utterly pigshit and contrived.
>>68762389
I think the contract is probably for a defined period. I honestly think the next producer should take the risk of not renewing it. The Daleks don't work as a focal point in their own right, as Nation discovered in the sixties, shopping them around US producers, and the design, I believe, is copyright of the BBC, so to use them recognisably anywhere else they'd still have to pay the Beeb. (Same situation is why K9, in that independently produced thing his owners set up, morphed into something so different as to defeat the object of using him.)
>>68763319
What's his idea?
Given the choice, would you rather watch:
a) The Ark with Philip Sandifer beside you explaining in detail why it's an evil piece of colonialist propaganda
b) The Deadly Assassin with Lawrence Miles beside you explaining in detail why it's a rubbish story and it ruined the Time Lords
c) Attack of the Cybermen with Ian Levine beside you explaining in detail why that story is a work of genius for which he is solely responsible and Eric Saward is a phucking bastard
d) Human Nature/The Family of Blood with Jack Graham beside you explaining in detail why it's disgusting pro-war indoctrination
e) The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion with Gareth Roberts beside you explaining in detail why it's pro-ISIS bullshit and we should close our borders now
Well, /who/?
>>68762406
I listened to the whole thing and I'm still not really sure what he's so angry about. It's like he wants to says he's upset that there was an ugly black person cast as the new companion instead of his terrible le epic soldier green girl OC dream waifu but he can't say that so he beats around the bush and complains about the timing of the announcement (who the fuck cares about this seriously) and the clip itself (which I agree feels pretty rushed and lame but whatever give her a chance Christ)
>>68763447
d).
>>68763447That's Gareth!
>>68763447
e. I could argue with his that it's actually heteronormative propaganda.
>>68763447
Do you even need to ask senpaiBung bung bung bung
>>68763447
Ian Levine's argument is better than that, he acknowledges it's shit, but it is *his* shit, his and Eric's, and he wants recognition.
>>68763575
Pardon me, I stand corrected.
>>68763447
>c) Attack of the Cybermen with Ian Levine beside you explaining in detail why that story is a pile of pigshit for which he is solely responsible and Eric Saward is a phucking bastard
>>68763661
Well I don't want to quibble, but he does acknowledge Eric's involvement, the bit that annoys him is 'Paula Moore', a penname for someone who wasn't even a writer, getting the credit. I'm only being picky because all the other options in the list are completely accurate.
>>68763943
It's my fault for being lazy, I went back to reread Graham's list of worst stories for that post but I didn't bother to check the facts of the Attack controversy, which I'd only heard about.
>>68764184
Well you're a big man to admit it anon, kudos!
Interesting fact: Attack of the Cyberman is the only Doctor Who story to feature an actress who allegedly fucked an entire rugby team.
>>68761882
Okay, so why was it called Terror of the Zygons
>>68763447
I'm gonna go with b.
>>68764272
The Zygons are terrifying!
http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/quick-fire-questions-gareth-roberts/
http://doctorwho.org.nz/archive/tsv38/garethroberts.html
I'm a bit behind. what was /who/'s reaction to the companion?
>>68764623
She seems annoying so far. Her mouth is too big too. She's written by Steven Moffat. What could possibly go right?
>>68764623
Pretty positive, generally, apart from a few /pol/friends.
>>68764582
>I prefer Season 24 to 26,
>>68763264
How he gets flummoxed about the "children's show" argument is my favourite bit of the whole thing.
>>68764623
But at least she's not Clara.
>>68762406
What a load of BS he spewed. AND he's turned off the like/dislike function, because he was getting so many dislkes he thought he was being spammed.
First, the 'ratings' fall. Series 8: "In terms of L+7 ratings the series was the highest rated Doctor Who series since its revival in 2005." (Wikipedia). Yes, ratings fell in 2015, but that has been the case for ALL televised drama. FFS THE BBC BROADCAST THE 1ST 2 EPS AT THE SAME AS THE RUBY FINALS ON ANOTHER CHANNEL. (And even then, it was STILL the BBCs 4th top rated show).
"Doctor Who's ninth series received critical acclaim, and was hailed by many critics as the show's best season to date. Series 9 holds a perfect 100% score on online review aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes with an average score of 8.1. It has also won the Rotten Tomatoes' Golden Tomato Award for best-reviewed TV sci-fi/fantasy/horror show of 2015. The site's consensus reads "Peter Capaldi and the writers have settled into an emotionally engaging tone, allowing the show to raise the stakes for the Twelfth Doctor"...........
In reviews for various episodes across the series, many critics highlighted series 9 as the show's greatest yet. In their review for "Hell Bent", IGN called series 9 "a very strong season of Doctor Who – possibly the best season of the modern run of the show", while New York Magazine stated "It’s been a largely brilliant season... possibly even the best since the new series began" in their review for the same episode. Discussing the series as a whole, The A.V. Club stated "Doctor Who is great again, and this season represents maybe the best mixture yet of the show’s head and its heart". Of the twelve episodes in the season, they awarded five a perfect 'A' grade (the most for any season of the show), while awarding a further five episodes either an A- or a B+. Furthermore, TVEquals.com called series 9 "one of the strongest seasons of the show in years"." (Wikipedia again).
GRRRRRRR
>>68764927
Gareth Roberts is Melanon confirmed.
Comfiest tardis team
>I miss Adric. I REALLY miss Adric.
the fuck?
>>68765363
I didn't see much of Adric, but I don't get the hate meme.
>>68765395
What did you see? He was ok but forgettable with Baker. It's during the Davison years where he gets pretty shit imo.
>>68765453
I mostly saw Baker's last season, yes. Also Earthshock.
>>68765395
It's just a meme, Adric did nothing wrong and is a qt.
https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/724916497252945920
>>68761882
it's pretty GOAT
I was surprised that 70's Doctor Who was that good and that similar to nuWho.
>>68763447
c) all the way, just for the kekerinos
>>68763080
The new BBC controller probably did it, she's the one who pushed back Moffat's final series to 2017 to make it a "huge event"
If we get a GOAT series though it'll maybe have been worth it
Reminder Series 10 is shaping to literally be Series 4 all over again and it's gonna be GOAT
>>68767014
> woman I don't want to fuck cast
> Series 10 is Series 4
>>68767206
This isn't a porn fuck off.
Let's take stock. Pearl Mackie I would fuck looking her in the eye. Jenna Coleman I would want rimming from after bathroom use. Karen Gillan I would fuck in all three holes, tie up, whip, get whipped by, get pegged by, take stilettos on the genitals from, snort coke off her ass. So what does this tell us?
>>68762204
Tbh I would love to see the BBC lose the rights to the Daleks. A standalone film might go some way to making them seem less pathetic than they are in dr who.
>>68767527
I want them to go back in time and make the The Chase movie with Peter Cushing
Let's take stock. Noel Clarke I would fuck looking him in the eye. Arthur Darvill I would want rimming from after bathroom use. Samuel Anderson I would fuck in all two holes, tie up, whip, get whipped by, get pegged by, take sneakers on the genitals from, snort coke off his ass. So what does this tell us?
>>68767559
Hell yes. And follow it up with Masterplan.
>>68767595
>So what does this tell us?
That you are a raving faggot.
>>68767559
That would be cool but what I meant was a movie or a series without the dr or any dr who connection except the Daleks.
Some Daleks came round York last week to harass students near the film and TV department. They were talking through the voice changer and everything, it was funny as fuck.
>>68768388
Neato.
>>68768388
I always thought nuwho Daleks were bigger than classic series Daleks on account of the larger fender. These two appear roughly the same size.
WHERE ARE THE TENNANT AUDIOS FOR FUCK'S SAKE I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER
>>68768768
I'm hoping BF can do with David what they did with Colin. Taking a shit Dr and making him GOAT.
>>68763447
Miles seems like a nice guy, and Deadly Assassin is a nice story. i'm going with b)
>>68768824
The trouble with that is that the problems with Colin's Doctor were so blatant as to be pretty unanimously agreed upon by the fan community.
Popular fan consciousness does not acknowledge any of the problems with Ten or his era. It is extremely unlikely that the writers of the 10/Donna audios were even aware of anything that needed fixing.
>>68768824
Is David Tennant really making the trek to Dignitas HQ?
>>68764500
Cool man :) thanks for the help
>>68768928
>slowpoke
David has done audios with Big Finish at various points over the past decade and a half. Popping in to record another three is nothing.
>>68768978
Oh, I forgot they had a sideline in stuff people wanted to buy for a minute.
>>68768978
I forget the characters name but he was great as the arsehole in charge of UNIT in sympathy for the devil.
So I just started watching this show and what the fuck is up with this guy? He asks that Mickey guys girlfriend if she wants to go with him and then straight up says that Mickey isn't invited. Is he the ultimate cuckmaster? Does the doctor hate nigs?
>>68768768
p sure i read somewhere they're out on may 16th
>>68769016
>Oh, I forgot they had a sideline in stuff people wanted to buy
>wanted to buy
>buy
kek
>>68769106
I haven't seen this meme in ages.
>>68769106
This makes me nostalgic..
>>68769060
He is very picky about his travelling companions. In fact, there is a lot of judgment in that first run of episodes regarding people who are 'unworthy' to travel because they express fear or do something silly.
>>68769060
Yep. There's an episode a couple of series later where The Doctor allows his black companion to be strung up in a tree. He laughs about it too, whilst advocating a nuclear war in the middle east. It's probably Gareth Robert's best episode.
>>68769145
Damn I think i'm gonna like this show.
>>68769145
That never happened though.
>>68769239
Yeah, it's awesome. I can't wait till Gareth takes over as showrunner. It will be the golden age to end all golden ages.
>>68769060
Is it in episode 1x05? Because if I remember correctly, Mickey tells him that he doesn't want to come and the Doctor says that he isn't invited when Rose arrives so that he doesn't look like a pussy in front of her.
>>68769060
>Don't. He's an alien. He's a thing.
Rude desu. I wouldn't invite Mickey either.
>>68769251
>>68769288
>>68769330
>he's back
I've missed you tbqh
>>68769403
Nah I think he's talking about episode 1.
DOCTOR: Yes, I would. Thank you. Right then, I'll be off, unless, er, I don't know, you could come with me. This box isn't just a London hopper, you know. It goes anywhere in the universe free of charge.
MICKEY: Don't. He's an alien. He's a thing.
DOCTOR: He's not invited.
>>68769360
Krillitane yourself
>>68769239
You'll love it. Gareth's episodes are full of sharp and witty political messages. Like the one where the Doctor is a school janitor and he yells "SHUT UP NIGGER!" at Danny Pink just after saying "Shouldn't you be called Danny Black?". He's a great writer and definitely not racist.
This show sucks
Hope you all know that you're all spending too much time discussing and watching a shitty dead British children's show that hasn't been good for years.
You're worse than the fucking tumblr chicks that obsess over the Harry Potter fandom.
One time at BF Colin Baker comes back from the bathroom nude, flops onto the couch and falls into the earth's magma.
>>68769780
No thanks, enjoy your Tumblr show
>>68769776
Tennant pls
>>68769776
I hope you know that you are spending far too much time worrying about people liking something you don't.
You're worse than an autist. A proper autistic autist, not a meme one.
>>68768962
PWHAHAHA look at that bellend!
>>68769999
>>68769968
>>68769946
FUCKING REPORT HIM
>>68769999
>quad Hurts
Check'd
>>68769999
Nice quads spamanon
>>68769999
Pls mod rangeban this moron
>>68770263
What is YIFY?
>>68770874
>asbill posting
>>68770355
A: 10
V: 10
thanks YIFI
>>68770874
I love the way she pops up from nowhere.
>>68770997
That explains everything. Many thanks, anon.
>>68763473
>>68763506
>>68763511
>>68764456
>>68766853
>>68768891
>tfw nobody wants to cuddle with you
>>68771784
rekt
Heaven Sent has been nominated for a Hugo award
>>68764927
That's Young Gareth!
>>68772028
I should fucking well hope so.
>>68770977
Well, that'll teach me to NOT follow my 15 yr old son's advice. Admission: I'm in my 50s and a bit naive about social media etc. A LOOOONG time fan of Doctor Who however. Please be gentle with me.
>>68772028
source?
>>68772028
So has my little pony
>>68772109
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeSkaro/status/725017044131835906
>>68772042
Fuck! A rareThat's Gareth!image!
>>68772131
>the list
Just a suspicion but I think Heaven Sent might win it guys
>>68772028
Nice. Are all the noms out?
>>68772131
I can't believe Supernatural is still airing.
It hasn't been good in like 5 or 6 years.
>>68772124
You're thinking of the daytime emmy
>>68772228
Some people(plebs)say that about dr who
>>68772274
Nope. >>68772131
>>68772206
>implying it won't lose to horsefuckers voting en masse
>>68772131
I think I'm gonna have to vote for My Little Pony on this one
That episode was all about how communism doesn't work
>>68772028
>>68772131
Hope it wins, Heaven Sent is BOATer than BOAT. Has Doctor Who won any Hugos before?
>>68772124That was a pretty good episode too though.
Heaven Sent
>dude punching a wall for 4 billion years lmao
The Cutie Map
>You can't have a nightmare if you never dream
I know what I'm voting for
Fucking christ, they've changed the name of Coal Hill School for Class
>https://twitter.com/Class_Updates/status/725019204219473920
>>68772131
>>68772206
The fact it made it to finals: HAPPY. Hoping for a win.
So do you think Michelle will win the Bafta? What's her competition like? I've never seen these other shows.
>>68772312
I don't think public can vote on Hugos? Idunno how it works though.
>>68772316
Its won for
Empty Child/Doctor Dances
Girl In The Fireplace
Blink
Waters Of Mars
Pandorica Opens/Big Bang
Doctor's Wife
>>68772379
Timely what with the tories nearly trying to academise every school in the countr
>>68772379
>sponsored by EverUpwardReach Ltd
Coal Hill got an upgrade because 'ever upward' is secretly an alien company that's piping in money to help keep that disguised alien teacher hidden
>>68772415
The fact Michelle Gomez is up for a BAFTA for her quite frankly laughable 'performance' in the sacrilegious opener of Series 9 is a complete joke. Why wasn't Capaldi or Coleman nominated?
She's only been nominated to push an agenda. Notice how none of the male Masters never won any BAFTAs.
Sick of it.
>>68772358
>You can't have a nightmare if you never dream
This sounds pretty awesome desu senpai. Where can I watch it?
Quite frankly i feel SICK TO MY STOMACH that Michelle Gomez has been nominated for a BAFTA. This is typical of the BBC - pushing the trans agenda.
>>68772379
FOOKIN TORIES INNIT
>>68772475
>sacrilegious
What?
>>68772500
yp1.yayponies.no/episodes.php
Season 5 episodes 1 and 2
knock yourself outit's probably not as good as you're expecting, that line was in the middle of a song
>>68772500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioDuLqK_LuY
>>68772533
lmaoing at your life right now, fellow gentlesir. Get a dictionary. Get a thesaurus. Or even better - get a more advanced lexicon.
>>68772358
I don't know about MLP, but Heaven Sent is a gimmicky episode that was grossly overrated. I mean, sure, it was one of higher points of rather lackluster series, but it's just a lousy gimmicky story.
>>68772522
Those trans PHUCKERS!!!
>>68772595
t. pleb
>>68772595
If 'capaldi carrying a 50 minute episode by himself' is a gimmick I want more gimmicky episodes
So I skipped the last season after watching the Davros episode and getting pissed off that they made his Davros did nothing wrong speech into a le ruse.
Is it worth getting back into the show after that episode, or will I just get more antagonist development killed off in the last 8 minutes?
>>68772324
The last win was Pandorica Opens/Big Bang, although has been nominated since.
>>68772636
Doctor's Wife won.
>>68772632
Skip to Kill The Raven
>>68772558
Which ones have Dr. Hooves in them?
>>68772632
No.
There is NO Gareth Roberts episode in Series 9, so it is a totally redundant series.
A series is only canon if it has a Gareth Roberts episode.
Notice how all of the best series' have had Gareth Roberts episodes? Not a coincidence. Gareth is the backbone of this fucking show.
>>68772666
S05E09 is the only one where he has an actual scripted role with dialog (100th episode shenanigans), every other episode he appears in is just a background cameo
>>68772663
>>68772632
>skipping
man the fuck up and watch fucking everything you huge pussies
>>68772595
Erm....series 9 had very good critics' reviews. A Hugo for Heaven Sent is possible.
>>68772663
>skippingActually I skip episodes all the time.Don't tell anybody.
>>68769531
Lel, this post made me choke on my peas
>a TV show where 'cutie mark' is a valid and often used term is in the same category as doctor kino and will probably beat it
>>68772735
y tho
>>68772735
What episodes have you skipped?
>>68772756
>>68772757Shh!No one is supposed to know.
>>68772753
WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY LMAO
>>68772801
TELL ME RIGHT NOW OR I'LL DELETE THE WIKI
>>68772654
Oops...yes it did!
>>68772663
>>68772689
Honestly I had hopes with the last series, sure it wasn't great television, but Capaldi basically carried it. Hell, I even had hopes with the Davros episode, up until he pulls the "lel, I troll u xD" and the Daleks die to sewage.
>>68772718
I'll go back and watch it if the series isn't as fucking badly written as the first episode, but if it stays trash like that I might just stop watching Dr Who entirely, and this is coming from someone who's watched it his whole life. The show's been run into the ground under the pretense of
>"oh these aren't plot wholes, everything links together when I have enough plot wholes in the series to write an episode or two explaining them away"
or Moffat's autistic obsession with le twists that kill what would have otherwise been a great episode.
>the time travel horse episode isn't nominated
>>68772818Most of the Tennant era and around half of Smith and Capaldi.It's not that I never intend to watch them.It's just that I've not had chance or never felt like it.
>>68772316
>>68772358
There will never be an episode of MLP nor indeed any animated cartoon within the next decade that even approaches Heaven Sent. There will be very well done episodes, but nothing on that level. The animation industry is trapped in a hell where that kind of ambition and conceptual fearlessness no longer exists, if it ever did. Watching other forms of manchild media always makes me feel incredibly grateful that we have Doctor Who (at least until Chinballs ruins it).
>>68772595
Heaven Sent is a powerful story about the Doctor overcoming existential horror, grief and mortality in order to perform an unimaginably huge task. It's written, designed, shot and scored in a very beautiful way. The puzzle box structure of the episode serves to make the final reveal, in an overwhelming fury of sound and images, as transcendent as possible. Capaldi gives a gripping and hugely ranged performance. Nothing not to like, really
>>68772911
>>"oh these aren't plot wholes, everything links together when I have enough plot wholes in the series to write an episode or two explaining them away"
do NOT watch under the lake/before the flood
>>68772955
what plot holes in that episode?
>>68772916
>muh grimdark alternate timelines
>another villain gets insta-redeemed
I agree with one of the above poster's sentiments. A series is NOT canon unless it has at least one Gareth Roberts episode/idea woven into the plot.
For example, Day of the Doctor is canon as a standalone episode, because the Queen sub-plot was first mentioned in The Shakespeare Code, which was one of Gareth's genius episodes.
Series 9 = No Gareth Roberts involvement = Not canon.
>>68772955
>>68772973
Yeah, what goes on in that episode that makes it skippable?
>>68773054
Bootstrap
>>68772973
The episode is a bootstrap paradox (I think that's the one) and openly admits it, it isn't a plot hole though.
>>68773026
Glimglam is a good character and her friendship issues are the best part of S6 so far
>>68772911
Well. I'm probably not the best person to answer since I enjoyed the first two episodes but I enjoyed the rest of the episodes with the exception of Sleep No More which was shit and Woman Who Lived which as boring as hell. Whatever you do, at least watch Heaven Sent. That's the best episode of NuWho and only has Capaldi in it.
>>68772522
I'm kinda pleased Gomez got a BAFTA nod. Just annoyed that Capaldi didn't.
Idris Elba SHOULD have been nominated for the BAFTA for Luther season 2, and BAFTA know it. Instead, they nominated him for the last Luther episodes which were, to put it bluntly, pants.
>>68773097
She still would have worked better as a recurring antagonist imo.
>>68772938
I dunno, there are some pretty good cartoons out there m8. Some Adventure Time episodes are pretty fascinating and memorable. For instance, the episode "Puhoy" is an excellent, highly conceptual little self-contained fantasy story (even if it's a little silly to compare a 10-minute cartoon to an hour-long live-action adventure).
>>68772955
>Acting commander Cass, a deaf woman that speaks through her translator Lunn
Ok, what the fuck. Why does this show have to be so full of SJW crap. Is this why the writing sucks, because they have to shoehorn in minority representation? I don't care how good of a character she is, it makes no fucking sense for anyone in the military to be deaf and require an interpreter.
>>68773138
>and only has Capaldi in it
Honestly he fucking carried his whole first series and that's why I was hopefully. Even Davros' episode and their dynamic was fucking top tier, until the shit writing and pacing kicked in.
I refuse to believe that episode, or at least its ending is canon.
>>68769060
>'If I did forget about some nig called Mickey - '
>'He's not a nig!'
>'It's because I'm too busy trying to end the lives of every stupid ape blundering about the surface of this planet, alright??'
Reminder that Davros just chose to keep his eyes shut all this time!
>>68773041
That'snot Gareth!
>>68773237
>it makes no fucking sense for anyone in the military to be deaf and require an interpreter.
Come on it's not like she's in combat. Deaf people have jobs.
>>68769060
>'The government has known about aliens for years, they've just been keeping us in the dark'
>'Mickey, you were born in the dark, you dirty stupid fucking coon!'
>'Leave him alone!'
Jesus, series 1 was a lot less PC than I remember
>>68773282
Yeah, but not in the military as a commander. if she was a contracted scientific expert, then maybe I could see it, but not a fucking military operational commander, or in a position to be an acting commander. The military is supposed to he efficient, having a deaf commander is something that would slow an operation down, especially if only one person serves as their interpreter.
>>68773097
oh my god, take your fucking brony shit to /mlp/ please
>>68772632
>they made his Davros did nothing wrong speech into a le ruse.
>antagonist development killed off in the last 8 minutes?
Stop being dumb senpai.
Davros has known the Doctor long enough to know that he wouldn't fall for crocodile tears. And he is enough of an old and sad git that he would, on some level, seriously have all of those doubts and melancholies at this stage of his life.
The only way to appeal to the Doctor's compassion was to put himself into a state where his dignity was no longer in question, and his very much sincere inner feelings would be exposed, in a most brutal piece of performance art.
Because Davros is a twisted genius, he was able to do this while simultaneously holding within his mind the safety net of his true, greedy motives. It's fascinating and shows a new, extreme side of Davros without selling out the core of his character.
The Doctor is like the wise angel of the story. The Doctor doesn't truly ruse Davros - what happens is that he offers something sincere to Davros, and Davros takes too much of it, more than he can handle. The Doctor is intelligent enough to know what could happen, and sets it up like in some kind of ancient fable or myth, where it's the protagonist's own greediness that ruins what could have been a kindness to them. I love the whole use of their relationship in this story, I think it's marvelous.
>>68773503
that's cats!
>>68773503
This, fuck off and go jerk to horses elsewhere
>>68772911
Oh, and the Daleks dying from their own cruelty to the old Daleks is brilliant. The whole concept of Daleks degrading to waste matter is a wonderfully appropriate karmic fate for them, and the idea that the Doctor could actually make them rise up, drowning their replacements in the waste matter they themselves tried to bury, is flat out GOAT.
>>68773272
I never read it as him actually wanting to do it, but rather that his eyes were so faulty and damaged that it was just practical to upgrade even though he could still see light through them.
>>68773752
Well. According to the wikia it's said in a BF audio that he doesn't open his eyes because it causes severe pain. S4 though I guess it doesn't look like he has any eyes though but oh well.Tennant era isn't canon anwyays
>>68773522
>anyone who doesn't agree with my subjective interpretation of a story is being dumb
That's not how it works, senpai.
>>68773272
Lalalalala not canon
What would happen if Davros accepted 10's over and went into the Tardis with him at the end of Journeys End? What was 10 gonna do with him?
>>68773882
>he doesn't open his eyes because it causes severe pain.
I like that idea, actually it improves the scene where he opens them. I wonder if Moff was going to acknowledge it but felt it would be too much script clutter.
>>68773928
I don't think 10 really had a plan in that instance. But he would probably have tried to do some humilating pussy shit like turn him in to the galactic authorities or put him in a galactic care home.
Or, what if
>Davros companion
>>68773522
>>68773636
I see the point you're trying to make, but honestly I would have preferred they just give Davros a dignified final death. The writers obviously don't care to do much with him, leaving him in limbo for 7-8 years.
I get that the Doctor saw this as a way to destroy the city, but the immediate turn around of the character's attitudes is fucking shit. Both of these men have fought each other many times before and seen some hardcore shit. Their meeting under these circumstances is fitting. Two powerful rivals get together as one is dying and they decide to part ways amicably, not fighting. Davros is a fucking super genius, he would have known the Doctor would beat him yet again, and being on his deathbed, why bother with another failed plan? His goals had been accomplished, the Daleks have been autonomous for a while, Skaro is back. I know he's supposed to be a megalomaniac and all that, but even still he had to know his time would come eventually, why not go out knowing he was more or less successful and with your rival there to see you pass?
>>68774122
>Davros companion
That sounds GOAT.
>>68773928
>>68774122
>Davros become's the TARDIS engineer
>spends most of his time dicking around on the ship working on science stuff
>witty banter between him and 10 every so often
>of course they'd go on adventures and Davros would get mad that he can't just kill everyone and be done with it
>give him a redemption arc
Honestly that would have made for an interesting season. Especially if they took Caan with them too.
>>68774374
>Caan babbling about prophecies every episode
that would be funny desu
Reminder that she's an honest slut. I approve.
Glad Heaven Sent got nominated but s9 overall was dreadful.
>>68774773
Face the Raven was the only good episode.
>>68774844
No. I'm being serious here. Aside from being retroactively ruined by Moffat, it was the only properly good episode.
>>68774921
>what is Heaven Sent
>>68774955
A lousy gimmick episode.
>>68774991
lolok
>>68774149
Sure, but not every Doctor Who fan remembers the entire history of the show. (It's been going for awhile now). From my own POV, it was just damn good gripping sci fi drama.
>>68774773
So are they ever going to have Gallifrey be anything more than a series finale plot device? Like they seriously have a bunch of shit going on on that planet that needs resolving, but they keep popping up for 5 minutes and running off for another series.
>>68761882
Part 1 of this has one of the worst "environmentalist" scenes in Who imo. The Doctor shows complete disinterest in a series of disasters that are killing innocent workers just because they happen to be on oil rigs. I mean there's being eco-friendly and then there's just being an edgelord. In fact, the Doctor's attitude of looking down on humans for still using oil is kind of shitty in itself. It's easy for him to judge, being from a more advanced society that already has viable alternatives to fossil fuel, but it would be like one of us going back in time 200 years and chastising people for riding horses when they should obviously just invent automobiles and airplanes.
>>68775234
>long recurring characters shouldn't have fitting development because casual scrubs like me prefer stand alone drama
>>68774805
gr8 b8 but....WFT??
>>68773914
I'd suggest anyone who is content to ignore nuance, and commit to a boring misreading of the story, is not being as intelligent as they could be tbqh.
If you want evidence that we can read real meaning into Davros during this episode, the clincher is his reaction to learning that Gallfirey is back. He couldn't possibly have learnt about that beforehand by other means, otherwise the Daleks would already have run off and started Time War 2 (the premise the whole of TotD hinged on). And his tearful reaction to hearing it is rooted very interestingly in his Nazi-esque beliefs.
For someone so committed to the idea of racial supremacy and fighting for your people, the idea that his old and eternal rival might no longer be the last of his kind - having actually reclaimed his race from the hell Davros witnessed in the Time War - would naturally be moving, no pretend necessary. And the fact he is capable of showing that to the Doctor is proof of what he is really doing, which is no disposable pantomime. It is his last desperate gambit and it requires 110%.
The tragic irony is that he can draw all these confessions from within himself but still throw it all away at the last hurdle, such is the compulsive power of his evil. It's not sweet and satisfying, but god damn it beats a weepy Davros redeemed over the course of one long conversation. Frankly it would take a lot more than being on death's door to truly make him see the light.
>>68774921
Boo hoo. The Doctor saved Clara for some wiggle room. She's still going to die by phucking raven
>>68775272
Gallifrey was over hyped anyway. If you're interested in all that, read old Doctor Who books or listen to War Doctor audios. Personally, I think the rest of the space and time is a helluva lot more interesting..
>>68774650
Slut Sarah a best Sarah
Flip is back
https://twitter.com/Lisagreenwood20/status/724859050589065216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWMTXUeSu-8
>>68775829
I'd agree with you if they didn't set up the planet for a civil war between Rassilon and the Council.
>tfw /who/ is a complete laughing stock
>>68776036
So what are /who/'s favorite theme tune renditions (including fanmade ones)? Here are mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yuB7hNCYnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcTl9cczMSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFKAKe1-Xo0
>>68774921
The good bit of Face the Raven is the scene inside the room when they are trying to cope with what's about to happen. It's a GOAT scene and nothing about it is changed by what happens later.
The episode loses some of its 'specialness' retroactively, sure, due to not actually being the final end of a character's journey, but if that meta 'specialness' was all there was to a good death scene then we'd be singing the praises of Adric's. And we aren't because Adric's death was PHUCKING shite and he's not even real.
>>68776217
Let non-/who/res have their silly little opinions. Although I think it's a deep mischaracterisation of /who/ to imply it would be welcoming of radical change in any way.
>implying a doctor with robot arms wouldn't be GOAT though
>>68776217
>one anon makes fun of /who/
Who cares? Why would you consider that worth linking?
>>68776289
Adric's death was good pleb.
>>68776404
Not that anon, but relax. You're embarrassing yourself.
>>68776289
>Adric's death was PHUCKING shite
>>68776467
No, he's being perfectly reasonable.
That post has zero point.
>>68775971
qt-est companion?
>>68776528
>big finish
>canon
pick one.
>>68776669
>forgetting the part of "The Night of the Doctor" where Eight mentions all his Big Finish companions
>>68762137
>Sidney Newman, Verity Lambert and William Russell were/are all Jewish
Don't forget Carole Ann Ford.
>>68776669
being cute or not has fnarg with being canon or not
>>68776759
>webisodes
>canon
>>68776793
>anything else then season 9 and 10
>canon
>>68776793
It's an official BBC production that features Eight's regeneration. It's canon.
>>68776457
No it really wasn't.
>We're going to kill off a character to prove that we are cutting edge.
>By the way it's the one everyone hates because we did a shit job writing him. Real commitment here on our part
>Let's have him die from doing a (just barely in-character) fuckstupid thing and then failing to notice the random Cyberman staggering up the stairs.
>The other characters are going to have one mincing conversation about this at the start of next episode and then pretty much not acknowledge it again
There is a certain school of thought, exclusively among Classic Who fans, that thinks Adric's death is a pinnacle of drama. Fair enough it's a sad scene to watch. But as a story it is not much of an achievement.
>>68776891
No it isn't. There wasn't any reference to a Gareth Roberts story in it, and it wasn't part of a series which featured a Gareth Roberts episode.
See:
>>68773041
>>68776016
Rassilon was doomed from the minute the Doctor arrived, but am sure he'll be back someday.
What amazes me is WTF anyone thought Clala WOULDN'T be back for the finale.
>>68772415
>Moffat
>Moffat
>Moffat
>Not Moffat
>Moffat/Moffat
>Not Moffat
Damn
>>68777046
>Rassilon was doomed from the minute the Doctor arrived
See, that's what I don't like about it. Rassilon was always this godlike figure who invented time travel, TARDISes, regeneration etc. He pulled the Gallifreyans up from a bunch of soup-slurping peasants, punched a Vortex through reality, and banished the witches to Karn. And now... he's just a cranky old guy who the Doctor tells to go away, and he does.
>>68762204
We'll see if this year's xmas special, the only episode airing in the entire year of 2016, has Daleks in it.I bet it does even for .5 seconds
DAILY IAN LEVINE AUTISM:
>https://twitter.com/IanLevine/status/10466541994
>https://twitter.com/IanLevine/status/125867862664552448
>https://twitter.com/IanLevine/status/119057231303020544
>>68776918
Adric's death was a pretty good moment, but choosing to go with silent credits was absolutely haunting.
kek
https://twitter.com/ryxnf/status/520551084356804608
>>68777155
He was laughable in BFA too
>>68777132
Based moff
>2005
Dalek, Bad Wolf, The Parting of the Ways
>2006
Army of Ghosts, Doomsday
>2007
Daleks in Manhattan, Evolution of the Daleks
>2008
The Stolen Earth, Journey's End
>2009
The Waters of Mars (cameo), The End of Time (cameo)
>2010
Victory of the Daleks, The Pandorica Opens (cameo), The Big Bang
>2011
The Wedding of River Song (cameo)
>2012
Asylum of the Daleks
>2013
The Day of the Doctor, The Time of the Doctor
>2014
Into the Dalek, Death in Heaven (cameo)
>2015
The Magician's Apprentice, The Witch's Familiar
Jesus Christ, they really do appear every year.
>>68777286
Might not be necessary. My favourite conspiracy theory is that the reason the BBC are pretending the Bill short is from an actual episode is so they can exploit a loophole in the contract, and avoid being in trouble for not having Daleks in the Xmas special
>>68777325
>He actually says "phuck"
>Tells Spilsbury to show him "solidarity"
At least he stopped yelling at Porn Ian Levine.
>>68777325
Oh wow. I'd never actually read Levine use "phuck" before, it's so different when it's really him. It just reads to me like a /who/re posting as him now
>>68777544
Didn't we used to have a Levine parody account? Or was that someone else?
>>68777425
>Death in Heaven (cameo)
Where was that?
>>68777363
I remember thinking the silent credits were silly.
>>68777425
>2005
GOAT Villians
>2006
Credible threat, getting a bit ridiculous
>2007
Gimmicky, shit episode, human dalek was a mistake
>2008
Introduction of Davros and the big red one lets them coast through for a while longer even if the plot was overblown and melodramatic
>2009
Tfw no Daleks, keeping them on the backburner makes them more effective when they come back
>2010
Camo slave daleks are cool, Power Ranger Daleks had potential but they looked too silly/were canned. Panned by audiences. Low point for the Daleks.
>2011
Whatever
>2012
I liked it
>2013
Back to being a credible threat
>2014
Very nice
>2016
Also good
>>68777155
The Doctor had the military on his side, as he expected.
>>68773522
>>68775440
That anon has a perfectly legitimate complaint, he's not being dumb.
The ending might make sense for you from a characterization stanpoint, but if we're talking about the plot, there's a damn good reason to complain. The final twists between the Doctor and Davros come with too little build-up, they change the entire motivation of the two main characters within a few seconds. That's not honest storytelling. When the Doctor touches the wires, the story becomes, to all intents and purposes, something different, thus cheapening everything that came before.
I might have appreciated what the story was doing if there had been a little subtle build-up, but as it stands, the story makes a clumsy U-turn a few minutes before the end.
You say that you don't want a "weepy Davros redeemed over the course of a conversation", and I don't want it either. But a meaningful emotional exchange between the Doctor and Davros is what the episode itself leads towards - until sudenly it doesn't.
The ending doesn't render what came before meaningles by denying it. Rather, it renders it meaningless by abandoning it and going in a completely different direction, by denying an emotional resolution of any kind (redemption, no redemption, I don't care) to it.
Maybe if the twist had been better executed I might agree with you. But as it stands, I think that ending was fucking atrocious.
>>68777596
When the Doctor flashes back to every time in series 8 where he questions himself as a "good man", we see Rusty when he said
>You are a good Dalek.
>>68777365
Catty little queer.
>>68778059
You forgot the "s" on the end
Guys, why is Doctor Who at its worst more entertaining than the latest season of Game of Thrones? Even Fear Her is a modicum more interesting than Dorne.
>>68778471
I literally do not understand the hype for game of thrones. Its so fucking dull
>>68778471
Even when it's shit, it's wildly varied shit. GoT, although usually well made/acted, is always the same mix of politics/sex/battles.
>>68777908
>"weepy Davros redeemed over the course of a conversation
I didn't see that at all, I saw a man on his death bed justifying his actions to himself, I doubt the Doctor or the audience was meant to forgive him for all the shit he'd done in the past. I saw an emotional exchange between two long time adversaries, with Davros realizing he was at the end of his life and wanting to go out seeing his home world again, with his creation continuing on.
But nope, fuck that, can't have real character depth and development, Davros only has two emotions, scheming and angry!
>>68778385
I'm not saying that he wasn't sincere, I'm saying that the question of whether he is sincere or not is eventually made pointless in the context of the episode.
I'm sure that your reasons for thinking that he was sincere are very solid. My point is that, at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
>>68776918
>>Let's have him die from doing a (just barely in-character) fuckstupid thing and then failing to notice the random Cyberman staggering up the stairs.
It was completely in character, Adric was a fuckstupid kid. Also the Adric hate in general is bs.
/who/ is dead and we have killed it.
>>68782000
Fuck off
>>68782246
>>68782000
Fuck off
>>68782246
*PHUCK OPH.
Wake up phaggots
>>68782000
Trips confirms, /who/ is kill
>>68782650
Quiet I'm reading! Managra of course. It's pretty great thus far.Lord Byroncalling Sarah Jane anhonest slutafter her skintinglesunder hisgaze.
>>68772028
I came here to post may the best episode winand the best one is the one with the horses, fuck you /who/ series 9 was shit.
>>68783219
fuck you too anon
>>68782915
Sarah Jane Smith; Friend, Mother, Honest Slut
>>68761882
It's Hinchcliffe, almost every story in his era is GOAT. This was a great sendoff to UNIT and the Brig.
Moffat's not even trying at this point is he? It's his last series, you'd think he'd want to go out on a high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaLficIRInM
>>68783308
>implying Chris Chibnall isn't just Moffat in a rubber mask
Have you ever seen Moffat and Chibnall photographed together? No? Me neither.
I'll make the next thread, laddies.
>>68783219
I'm going to make a wild, possibly incorrect guess and say that was one of the ones put on the ballot by the autist-fascist mob? I thought Doctor Who's competition seemed surreally weak this year, now I remember why.
>>68783346
better not be shit or i'll delete the fucking wiki
>>68783346
but its not bump limit yet
>>68783361
I'll try to do you proud, anon.
>>68783361
>tfw I was the original "delete the wiki" poster
Feels … idk, man
>>68783437
It almost is.
>>68763447
b) for sure. It's a good serial but he's right and I want to hear about it in more detail.
>>68783361
Sorry anon I fucked up and forgot to put the subject, at least it says Doctor Who in the post though. Why can people not delete their own OPs?
>>68783563
>>68783563
>>68783563
>>68783615
PHUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
dont reply.
just let it 404.
WE'RE REGENERATING!
>>68783857
>>68783897
>not putting /who/ in the subject
m8.
>>68783950
Still better than nothing, at least they got 'Doctor Who' in there.
>>68783897
phucking hell that's shit too
>>68783982
It doesn't really make a difference between that and the first attempt as far as searching in the catalog is concerned.
>>68784052
ExPHUCKINGscuse me? What kind of fuckwit doesn't search for "Doctor Who"?
LET THAT ONE PHUCKING 404 TOO!!!
>>68784087
Yeah but the other one also had "Doctor Who" in the OP, just not in the subject. So if you search for "Doctor Who" in the catalog they both come up.
Let's just use it though, we can't make another /who/ thread, there's already too many on the board.
>>68778647
I love the fact that this was a way to get something out of the doctor. I just liked the idea of Davros being manipulative. No doubt he did spill his guts in order to get there, and I believe his suprise in gallifrey being back, was genuine.
>>68783897
>10 fag
>can't make a thread for shit
>probably a newfag
Why am i not fucking surprised.
>>68784052
Yeah, you can't find either of them.
Actual thread
>>68785189
>>68785189
>>68785189
>>68785210
No it's not, fuck off.
