Do you realize that unlike BvS this movie has shown almost nothing in its trailers? BvS gave almost every major scene and set piece in its trailer. Civil War trailers are almost entirely based around two scenes.
>The chase scene with Black Panther and the Winter Soldier.
>The final scene with everyone in the airport
>>67854344
>The final scene with everyone in the airport
Is it a final scene?
Now tell me what I should be deriving from this information.
civil war has given the whole plot away too dude
>>67854501
Final (fight) scene is going to be Cap wrecking Iron Man
>>67854344
So, you're presenting giving away everything in the trailer as a positive?
>>67854516
Ye, it's about people fighting each other.
But we still have no idea how it's going to end. One can assume they will all kiss and make out in the end but who knows.
Yet with BvS it was clear with the showing of Doomsday that Superman and Batman won't actually fight each other to the death but team up with "is she with you?" in the end.
>>67854678
I thought she was with you
>>67854678
they literally show the final fight between ironman and cap
>BvS trailers
>Reveals they fight, as expected
>Also reveals them allying with WW against the big baddy
If they cut everything with Doomsday from trailers they'd be fine.
Just about showed everything but Supes getting nuked.
>>67854826
They dont show how it ends though
>>67854826
How the fuck will it end? Is there more to this particular fight? Will it be the final fight? Where are rest of the folk? Is anyone else going to show up after this? Is someone going to die? Is there going to be a common enemy in the end?
>That parking lot scene
Pure kino
>>67854908
>Just about showed everything but Supes getting nuked
But if a person is aware of the whole Doomsday thing, the reveal basically spoiled even this. It was an obvious ending to this.
Though cutting Doomsday and maybe a little tease of WW instead of Wrestlemania entrance would've worked a lot better for sure.
>>67854967
>>67854979
Buckys arm gets ripped off
Cap dies
Marvel cucks are seriously retarded
>>67854344
that doesn't mean that there will be something unexpected
they fight each other for a bit, then unite against the common enemy, maybe some good guy dies
if you've seen one then you've seen them all
>>67854344
>The final scene
Anon, please. Marvel isn't retarded enough to reveal that. Surely not.
>>67854344
I don't give a shit about the main cast or their problems. I'm just here for Spider-Man.
>>67855187
Teenage Mutant Ninja Spiders!
>>67855124
>Cap dies
a shitty blurry image that is literally a fanart on a screen photographed on someone's phone
It will end with everything exactly the same so they can do more films. One or more characters may die but who gives a fuck.
I hope Peter doesn't die in this universe, and I also hope he gets a love interest that isn't Scarlett Johanssen
>>67854344
they only reveal:
the teams
the reason of why they are fighting
the final battle
the spider-man joining Iron Man
the ant in the arrow
le quipping Hawkeye and Black Widow meaning that none of them will die
>>67855307
So what is Spidey? He's still a high schooler, right?
>>67855343
Fuck Spidey in the poophole.
>>67855408
Deadpool would.
>>67855343
Child soldier
They fucked up revealing Spiderman
Especially being on ironmans team
I'm not gonna watch this shit
>>67855522
You know that's not true.
>>67855439
>This isn't hapening.
Marvel quality.
>>67855552
You're right, I'll Torrent it.
I only have money and time for 2 movies this year, like most of the average audience
>>67855563
I'm sure Ryan Reynolds would love to do a collab with them.
>>67854344
they learn from their mistakes inThor 2 and avengers 2
>>67855615
>money and time for 2 movies this year, like most of the average audience
Holy shit, do you live in Africa or what? Granted I'm only seeing two movies this year too but that's just because I don't care about anything coming out.
>>67855187
Why? we already got a good version and a bad one
Civil War will be good. Cap movies are the most consistent thing about the MCU so far besides Thor movies being shit.
>>67855667
I'm a working guy, I don't have the time to watch quipshit or the money to waste watching it
>>67855734
>I'm a working guy but my job pays so little I don't have money to go to the movies more than twice a year
I feel bad for you. Do your best, anon!
>>67855242
black widow is black cat?
>>67855711
You can never have too much Spiderman.
>>67855720
Thor 1 was alright.
>>67854344
Why is everyone thinking the airport fight is the final one, when everything points at that being their first actual fight?
Seriously, there's a shot with War Machine lying in the ground with Iron Man in front of the airport.
Do you think they just wound him, escape and credits roll?
>>67855848
>Why is everyone thinking the airport fight is the final one
It's a maymay.
>>67855783
Are you retarded? Do you know what a budget is? Of course you don't you're just a fat pathetic NEET
>>67854979
It's a trailer you fucking cancerous shit. It's not supposed to tell you the entirw fucking movie and the ending.
Go watch it to find out, or wait for someone to tell you, jesus.
>>67855124
>>67855066
>>67855208
Not retarded enough to write pic related, Mr. 1.jpg
> Third movie with the central theme of "We have to work together!"
Come on man how is this interesting at this point.
>>67855895
They won't join forces in the end, the Russos said so in one interview.
>>67855872
Are you upset?
>>67855920
Yeah, it's not like they've got a 2 part movie in the Avengers group franchise that's the culmination of all their plot points just around the corner, surely the repercussions of this film will echo through eternity and shape the future of the MCU forever! AVENGERS ARE FINISHED!
Come the fuck on man.
>>67855887
>1.jpg hunter
Cringe
>>67856006
>1.jpg hunter-hunter
Cringe.
>>67855994
>>67855895
>assmad DCucks
How does it feel to know that pic related is the most complex character DC movies will ever have?
>>67855994
>the journey is irrelevant, only the destination matters!
Hello Mr. Climax-Now. You must be a real hit with the ladies!
>>67855969
Just telling you facts, better stop wasting my time with you, I can feel my IQ dropping by the second lmao
>>67855789
you oaf, black widow isnt black cat
black window is black panther
>>67855920
>cap dies
>RDJ goes like "oh man we went too i killed my friend"
>they back the fuck off
>>67856049
But this will be the third time they've used the exact same plot mechanism. Both the journey and the outcome are the same. Only this time instead of being mind controlled to fight, they're choosing to, THUS SHAKING THE MCU TO ITS CORE!
It's just more of the same stuff and even as a fan you have to see how it's not sustainable.
>>67856224
I don't see how it's not, the comics have been around for a long time and they're hardly ever any different. James Bond has been a thing forever and it's literally always the same beats.
>>67855229
It's how the comic saga ends
>>67855066
>>67855124
>>67855208
>you'll watch it anyway because of your waifu
>>67855615
They only do singles night every 6 months at your local as well?
>>67856169
My money is on whoever 'dies' comes back in the Avengers 3 because literally every single main character we've seen die in MCU has come back. Again, the exact same plot points.
>>67856245
Doesn't cost 300 million to print a run of comic books famalam.
>>67856224
Not who you are replying to, but of course it is sustainable. MCU flicks have been running the same formula for nearly a decade now. As soon as kids grow out of it, they are replaced by more kids. The only thing they'll change is doing a soft reboot with new characters after Infinity Wars so they don't lock people out with too much continuity.
>>67856324
>Doesn't cost 300 million to print a run of comic books
James Bond isn't a comic book, please don't ignore valid points.
>>67856372
Straw man arguments are just the best aren't they?
>>67856304
That's the only reason anyone is watching this train wreck
>>67856425
I don't understand. Where is the strawman? Here's two movie franchises that do the same thing over and over again. One has been doing it since 60's and is still popular, the other has been doing it since the 2000's and is still popular. You're saying the latter would die off. Why would it?
You say it costs a lot of money. It also makes a whole lot of money. This is very much sustainable.
>>67856425
>people don't like it when a franchise use the same general plot all the time
>well Bond has been doing it forever now
>durrrr it doesn't count
People go see Marvel movies to hear some jokes, watch some decent action scenes, and go home feeling happy
>>67856476
you're waifu a kill
>>67856348
I think Disney won't be satisfied with what happens when these movies settle and start swapping actors. Not to say they'll disappear, but i doubt they'll be as prevelant as they currently are planned to be. Best laid plans
>>67856372
I don't find Bond comparable so i didn't bother refuting it.
If there was a bond movie literally every year and they used the exact same villains, love interests, actors, themes and directors maybe i'd agree and delve into the point further, but i'd say there is enough variation and most importantly space between the movies to not burn people out.
The tipping point is when they start replacing actors, and then i'd say Bond comparisons are somewhat comparable.
>>67856479
Hes implying i'm strawmanning you famalam.
He traps iron man in the shield at the end
>>67856540
>Randomly selected picture of her screaming
>She's totally dead guys lol
>>67856540
>implying that's not the part where Vision robodicks her
>>67856566
>start replacing actors
But they did that with Rhodey. You just didn't notice because he's black and they all look the same to you.
>>67856613
>falling for such shitty bait
have you no shame?
>>67856613
>that hand gesture
Probably a reflex due to habit.
this movie will be serious and talky and full of politics
there will be a few fights in carparks
it will be praised as 'fun' because of a few "underoos" level one liners.
>>67856649
Also because he was a bit part in like 2 scenes of the first movie before this whole 'Universe' thing was established. But yeah that's totally comparable to an actor in a specific character role, as well as extremely similar to Bond, who is mainly an Archetype rather than a Character.
And if they decide to go the comic book route of a Non-Stark / Rogers, Iron Man / Cap people are going to LOVE new dudes in the same outfits every 2 movies in a supposed progressive 'universe' of movies.
The whole point of the MCU was supposed to be the antithesis of all the shit people were tired of with reboots telling the same story every 4 years. Now we get the same actors doing the same shit every 2 years. BASED MARVEL DKEKS BTFO WEWLADS.
>>67856677
Are you literally 14?
Grow the fuck up
>>67856829
Why are you so angry? Calm down.
>>67856677
SLUT
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>>67855872
>Budget for $20
>>67856829
>Capt 1, 2, and 3 are the same thing
Sure mate
>>67856885
B-but they all have a beginning, a middle and end, and, and there's protagonists and antagonists in them! Wake up sheeple!
>>67856566
It isn't actor swapping. It is phasing out old heroes and replacing them with new ones. Ironman, Capt, and Thor will be replaced with Spiderman, and Dr. Strange and Panther, and maybe F4 (depending on rights). Then once those have had a 10 year run, they'll go back to the originals with new actors.
>>67857005
Can't wait for the inevitable future of Doom and Strange journeying to Hell to save Doom's mom or Black Panther fucking up Sub-Mariner.
>hotpockets
>>67856861
Because idiots praise dreck with one hand while complaining / insulting dreck with the other.
>>67856885
Fair deuce, though i'd chalk that up to one of them being a WW2 movie, and compare Cap 3 to Avengers rather than 1/2, still all the same themes. Even Cap 2 repeats tropes from other MCU movies. Im not saying that all movies in their own smaller segmented franchises are the same, i'm saying the MCU as a whole reuses the majority of their plot points and people are, more likely than not, going to get over it.
Now, that is not to say that the MCU IS DOOMED MARVEL BTFO XDDD, but i find it hard to believe Disney will keep pouring as much money into it and giving it as much support if it stops pulling in huge numbers.
>>67856998
Now whos strawmanning.
>>67857005
>And if they decide to go the comic book route of a Non-Stark / Rogers, Iron Man / Cap people are going to LOVE new dudes in the same outfits every 2 movies in a supposed progressive 'universe' of movies.
a hotpocket used to be a waifufag
what happened?
>>67854344
Chris Evans needs to finish up with Cap already and move on, he's a good enough actor to get better roles.
>>67854344
>this movie has shown almost nothing in its trailers
You mean like Bucky's missing arm?
>>67856677
Absolute retardation.
>>67856613
xDDD lol! ebic
>>67854344
>"only important stuff in these movies are the fights and which characters will be in the fights"
Marvelcucks, ladies and gentlemen.
Meanwhile, BvS is a deeper, richer movie that has more going on than just "Batman punches Superman." It's a smarter movie than anything Marvel has ever put out. If you can't appreciate it, then you're one of the drooling, popcorn munching masses. Enjoy your Civil War.
>videogame thread with SFM porn in it
>>67856003
>intact
>people post pics of an actress
>instantly removed
BRAVO
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>>67857265
Oh look, he has actually heard you and deleted that thread.
>>67857265
you just had to ruin everything
>>67857113
So far the Marvel train does not seem to be stopping. If something like Ant Man or GotG did poorly then I'd maybe agree with you but the fact that even their C-listers are making booku bucks means this shit is here to stay.
Also movies in general will have another with a similar plot. People don't give a shit about the plot as long as it makes sense and isn't too much like the last one if it's a sequel. People go to these Marvel movies for some action and jokes. You're thinking way too hard about this. Will people get bored and some new flavor of the decade come about? Sure but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. Maybe when infinity wars rolls out it'll start dying
You need to stop putting how you feel about this shit onto how others feel because as it stands you are 100% wrong
>>67857220
IM LMAOING AT YOU.
>>67857220
>only important stuff in these movies are the fights and which characters will be in the fights
But thats fucking true.
Only reason i went to see BvS is to see more fights like those awesome ones in Man of Steel.
Appearantly, it didnt have ANY of that.
So FUCK THEM.
>>67854344
>tfw it's the same as the rest of the marvel movies
>>67855667
>capeshitter only watches two movies a year
Why im not surprised
>>67857738
How many movies come out in the theaters that are worth watching every year?
>>67857614
lol DCucks are so butthurt that there universe is utter shit.
>>67854344
I don't think that is the final scene senpai
>>67857756
Several but it's not like you know of any that isn't appealing to your/v/eddit sensibilities.
>>67857756
2 or 3 maybe. I can't tell if this is because movies suck more now or because I don't care about movies as much now. I'm pretty sure they just suck now because I can remember when I was a teenager it seemed like there was a new big movie coming out every month, or a few at a time that were worth watching. Perhaps a clever Anon can provide statistics to back this up.
>>67854523
>Cap wrecking Iron Man
why is Bucky screaming "for Cap" in the trailer when attacking Iron Man?
>>67857797
true
it isnt
its the other one
>>67857793
*they're
>>67857859
No, you're just moronic. No statistics needed
>>67854344
The chase is a bit after the beginning, after crossbones is arrested.
The airport fight scene is at the middle.
The final scene is:
>Baron Zemo has an orchestrated attack flaring up at the Wakandan border which forces BP out of the equation to rush to the country.
>A series of EMP bombings has Stark and several government departments temporarily knocked out of commission. Steve is forced to act, but under heavy scrutiny and regulation.
>The prison is unlocked and several individuals are released, including crossbones, but the entire prison sinks and most of those inside don't escape, none of which are important characters.
>Zemo is tracked down and taken on with an action sequence of a heavy blockade of Zemo's thugs (not Hydra) being plowed through, but only steve and bucky break through to fight Zemo.
Zemo pins Bucky to a wall through his left thigh with a vibranium sword, leaving Steve to take him on one-on-one.
>Spider-man (who is supposed to be keeping an eye on Steve in Tony's stead) And falcon breaks through with the assist, but Falcon's visor/goggles are recording live footage of the event, right up until Cap stops short of killing Zemo, beating him nearly half to death.
>Falcon and Spider-man get between the two and Steve allows himself to be apprehended and arrested for going to far, explaining that he has gone farther than necessary (as other things that zemo is responsible for have driven steve well and far past the point of thinking about the stakes at play) and comments that they're not arresting captain america, but steve rogers.
>Steve goes to a hearing where he is sentenced and leaves, but is shot through the chest by crossbones after leaving.
>Bucky and Sam chases crossbones down and loses him.
>Cap's grave is sat next to peggy carter's and both Sam and Tony corner a grieving Bucky.
>Tony is apologetic and sam is barely hiding anger directed at Stark, but stark tells off Sam.
>2nd End Credits is Bucky in Cap's uniform talking to Ross.
>>67857877
AHH TONY HELP, TONY'S TRYING TO KILL ME
BvS started with most of the characters in a very bad place in their lives and by the end, after hardship, most of the protagonists recieved some kind of redemption, or at least they don't end up exactly the same as they started.
Civil War is most likely to return everyone to default status or killed off by the end.
>>67858015
This is so bloated. Does wanda dies? Im only watching this movie cause of her
>>67858105
>beloved superhero killed off
>in a 12 rated marvel movie for kids
>>67858058
>There will never be a Doom movie in the MCU
The most based character in the entire franchise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Jmy8-N0UQ
>>67858111
No. Wanda gets in Ross's face and damn near makes him look like a certified bitch because he bilks Stark and Vision into "handling the Banner problem". The most she does is walk off near the end, but the rest is unknown since there's material unfinished in that edit.
>>67854523
What about Zemo?
>>67857125
Now that Marvel Studios is no longer under Perlmutter's thumb, and that his own directorial debut "Before We Go" crashed and burned both critically and financially ($3 million budget, $388,904 box office), Chris has been open to the idea of extending his Marvel contract.
>>67858227
Good to know.
Either way, cap is a superhuman that has been thru a plane crash, aliens fucking his shit up, his bff fucking him up and an android blowing him out of the water but he gets killed by a bullet? Like for real
>>67854501
Final battle, most likely. Mouseketeers have convinced themselves otherwise, but that sort of thing doesn't fit in the middle.
>>67857125
Implying anyone will ever be offered a role more complex and iconic than Steve Rogers. It's this generation's James Bond and Luke Skywalker put together.
>>67858228
Zemo is arrested after cap beats him until he's practically black and blue, but imprisoned and locked up.
He orchestrated matters with Hydra targeting Howard Stark and a few more really screwed up things involving the attempt of a orchestrating a worldwide war, but he's not working with Hydra.
Stark blames bucky for it, but finds out it's Zemo sometime after the targeted EMP attacks when Zemo's found responsible for the prison breakout.
Zemo's an absolute bastard and the baiting of BP out of wakanda to attempt tricking him into triggering a third world war is technically (retroactively) alluded to in Age of Ultron through Klaue's vibranium theft.
>>67857859
Nope you let this site brainwash you. Congrats
>>67858363
It's not a bullet. He's shot with a big as fuck (probably vibranium?) rod that pierces through his heart and stakes him to the stairs of the courthouse.
He doesn't even blink when it happens, he just glares in the direction the shot is fired and dies without a word.
>>67858567
Damn, the baron looks stylish as fuck.
>>67858715
He looks closer to this image.
Daniel Brühl fucking kills it. He could act circles around Hiddleston and Zemo's just imprisoned by the end, so there's a chance he could come back.
>>67858892
My man bruhl. He was amazing in Rush too
>>67854344
Because the UN attack, the Airport fight and the mountain lair fight ARE the only 3 major scenes.
>>67858892
We Attack on Titan now?
I'll bet the grapefruit shows his face right at the end with the memes of the galaxy crew flying in and the avengers all kiss and make up to take out galacticus
>>67858667
I thought Crossbones sniped him, then Sharon Carter under mind control came up and finished him off?
>>67858892
Dat ass
>>67859001
>Crossbones apprehension
>UN attack
>Motorcycle Chase sequence
>Bucky Breakout
>Airport sequence
>Series of Zemo attacks
>few characters left behind due to issues surrounding events due to Zemo's crafted calculations
>Assault on Helmut Zemo's stronghold.
There you have it.
Cap's scale armor is boss as fuck, but he's in civilian clothes after Zemo is detained.
I think the timeline will be something like this
>Crossbones assaulting south africa, the attack blows up a building that Panther was in, and since Cap is tracking Bucky to be near there, the gov frames Buck for the attack
>Sokovia Accords happen, Buck infiltrates the building and tries to assassinate IM. This is the chase scene with Panther that leads into Cap being stopped by the cops, but ends up escaping
>Teams are formed, gov-pro teams start a manhunt for Cap and Buck, both framed now
>They find Cap who finally gets a hold of Buck at an aiport, where both teams converge and fight, Buck becomes a good guy
>Warmachine gets shot out of the sky by someone that is unknown (probably Crossbones or someone that is with Zemo)
>This causes the two teams to unite, but IM still hesitant. Buck leads Cap to a warehouse where something is stored. Cloning machine? Red Skull's remain?
>Smething happens and IM fights Cap
>Cap wins but its clear something is behind all of this
>not sure how but somehow they find zemo and fight
>>67859231
Don't know about the comics, but that doesn't happen here. Probably because they used up all their mind-control tokens in AoU.
No new infinity stones. The mind gem is still in vision's head and the only brainwashing is the effects of buck's wearing off.
>>67854344
>Final Scene
Don't be retarded
>>67858464
Literally this. He's what Superman is supposed to be and it's amazing how they managed to turn around Captain America's image of one of the most idiotic concepts for superheroes to one of the most beloved superheroes of all time
It's clear.
>Peggy's funeral.
>Bucky gets framed for bombing the United Nations headquarters and injuring King T'Chaka.
>Cap and the New Avengers track Bucky down to Africa, get intercepted by Crossbones, people are caught in the crossfire and the Accords are approved.
>Stark volunteers to lead the Accords, Cap is unhappy but decides to play ball.
>They track Bucky down to Germany and move in to aprehend him. Cap finds out Ross has put a kill order on Bucky and tries to help him escape. Ends up fighting Black Panther. Bucky is arrested.
>Bucky gets triggered while in custody, goes on a rampage, almost kills Stark.
>Ross decides to send him away for execution. Cap wants him to receive help and he and Falcon fight off Ross' men and rescue Bucky.
>Bucky has some intel on Baron Zemo, the real mastermind behind the bombings.
>Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye and Ant-Man decide to help them.
>War Machine, Black Widow, Black Panther and Vision stand with Iron Man.
>Iron Man recruits Spider-Man.
>Iron Man's team intercepts Cap's team at the airport trying to leave and a big battle ensues.
>War Machine gets fucked up.
>The heroes slowly tap out.
>In the end it's Cap and Bucky raiding Zemo's fortress with Stark in pursuit.
>Cap dies.
>Stark blames himself.
>Bucky becomes the new Cap.
>Zemo gets away.
>>67858372
>>67854344
How
How can anyone believe it's the final scene when everybody is still fully intact and fucking Warmachine is still there
>>67859886
Well you see anon.
>>67854344
>The final scene with everyone in the airport
This is the act 2 climax, not the final scene. War Machine is heavily injured here, truly setting Iron Man against Cap, and the climax fight takes place in some mountains.
>>67859538
The difference between me and you is that I didn't guess. Bucky doesn't infiltrate anything until the end where both he and Steve are going intro Zemo's base.
Bucky breaks out of his arrest early on, which is when he tries to take out Stark. There's a trigger word in his brainwashing that causes him break out and hunt tony, but he snaps out of it after getting bitch-slammed by T'Challa.
>we will never see Secret Wars in MCU
Why bother?
>>67860145
So you've seen a cut?
Can we get a spoiler filled outline if so?
>>67859838
There's no guessing.
The wakandans are pissed because a huge stock of vibranium is being pilfered and they were bitching about it at the UN.
The UN wants NO PART of Wakandan affairs because of how technologically advanced they are, but what's left of the UN has no choice but to Kowtow to to Wakanda and Ross is the First to Kiss T'challa's ass after the UN Attacks because it's practically a declaration of war to do anything but meet his demands in order to sate his country's outrage.
Yes, Peggy's funeral is in the beginning, but it's after the capture of crossbones. Crossbones has nothing to do with the UN attack.
>>67860395
I gave you the ending already.
>>67858015
Zemo single-handedly fucks up all of the earth-based MCU world worse than Hydra did.
His scheme makes the worlds governments look retarded as all hell and incredibly ineffectual because he knows that all it takes to crush the planet isn't some nuclear threat or other kind of superweapon. They sell it straight that all governments are scared shitless of Wakanda.
He works the angle especially well to such a perfect point that he's pretty much the ultimate asshole that gets under Steve's skin. Through the entire movie, steve keeps on overlooking how much he's progressing to do the right thing is escalating things around him far more severity than he thought.
It plays heavy as fuck on the theme of steve just being short-sighted for trying to protect the ones closest to him about while ignoring the rest that aren't staring him in the face, which was alluded to in AoU when BW said "everybody up here versus everybody down there?"
Zemo's escalating of the stakes means a fuckton but steve has been outright ignoring it in favor of clearing bucky. Killing Zemo means no legit evidence of Zemo's plot of using Wakanda as a tool.
i don't read comics, so is there any chance this could lead into IW?
>>67861281
Anon, please don't be a dumb-dumb.
>>67860946
Wait he turns Wakanda against the world?
>>67860946
The plot is tight and simply kept to the theme of this story. Unless the final edit shows a third post-credits that leads to IW, Civil War doesn't even hint at IW in the slightest.
Wakanda is furious, so BP is definitely going to be a huge deal going forward in the MCU.
>>67855307
Falcon literally wasn't a pilot you fucking idiots
There's even a line where someone says "I thought you were a pilot"
And he says
"I never said pilot"
He was a fucking pararescueman.
Big difference
>>67855307
Caps side looks pretty shit but they have Scarletfu
>>67861470
Damn near does. Most of his plan his plan can be summarized as The Dark Knight's plot on a global scale. Steve is so narrow-minded on clearing bucky's name that he's not observing the political matters heating up.
Whether or not it's obvious,THE FUCKING KING OF WAKANDA is against him for his alliance with Bucky. The fact that BP is out of his country's borders effectively means that the full weight of his political power is at play and since he's not exactly in the best mood to be bothered with america's legal bullshittery, he pretty much speaks simple things and people look nearly about to shit themselves at the prospect of starting world war 3 for ignoring him.
Wanda calls Ross out on being a gigantic faggot about the whole affair and Zemo is literally a scene-stealing piece of magnificence. His presence is felt through the whole film even though he doesn't even show up until near the middle of the film, and it's absolutely chilling when he does.
Even when steve beats the shit out of him at the end, he simply does not stop talking shit, trying to get steve to kill him. Every word he breaths makes you WANT him to die as fast as possible, so it's a terrifying scenario to watch play out because this fucker really does need to go.
>>67861978
that sounds awesome. is zemo a reincarnated redskull? Does he have any powers? A suit?
>>67861978
Are you implying you've seen the movie already?
>>67861978
I really fucking hope this is true. I really want Zemo to be the ace up the films sleeve.
It's great if Wakanda/BP is integral to the plot too.
Any references to Dr Strange? Perhaps through Scarlet Witch?
>>67862542
PROTIP: It's not.
Directors already said Zemo doesn't wear his costume and has a minor role, and the movie doesn't end with the main Cap/Iron Man conflict being sidetracked for a battle with an obvious villain pulling the strings.
>>67854501
No that's probably second act midpoint, maybe end of second act.
Rhodey getting fucked up and the airport aftermath will likely be the down point for the characters to start the third act.
Compare that to BVS, where Wonder Woman is heavily marketed in spite of the fact that she's a late third act reveal. Doomsday was spoiled in the trailers. Half of the trailer action shots were from the third act. (although, that's a problem you're going to face when you make a movie with basically zero action sequences in like the first 90 minutes)
>>67862288
No. Zemo is just plain Helmut Zemo. End of discussion. His powers consist of having the being able to make people feel stupid as hell for not seeing things his way, better known as having the best dialogue ever written.
Every time anybody says anything to him, he just retorts with a properly calculated response that either intimidates or pisses people off. He's got master manipulation down to a science and the whole sword/shield dynamic with cap is a thing of beauty, especially during the final fight sequence.
>>67862480
"I'm implying nothing. I'm telling you. There's a distinct difference and you know it. Don't run from the truth."
>>67858372
>Mouseketeers have convinced themselves otherwise, but that sort of thing doesn't fit in the middle.
It explicitly fits in the middle. Both in terms of cinematic story structure and comic arc story structure. Characters meet early or midpoint in the film, get fucked up, recover in early third act and learn from the mistakes they made before the final confrontation.
And it's obviously not the final battle. We see War Machine get fucked up, and we hear dialogue in relation to that. So obviously there are significant dialogue scenes that take place after that sequence, referencing more story elements to come. Not to mention, Marvel has a relatively good track record of not spoiling their shit in the trailers.
>>67862633
Yeah I mean everyone complains about the trailers spoiling stuff, but the rest of the movie was so dull and boring you couldn't really make a trailer out of the other scenes. Though it's just retarded as fuck to make a trailer out of every single good scene in the movie. No wonder people are disappointed. 200 mil in marketing gone to fucking retards
>>67862629
It's true that he doesnt wear a costume, but they never said he had a small role.
>>67862629
Zemo doesn't wear his MASK. The uniform is similar to the one I highlighted.
>>67862775
Antman spoiled almost everything
Ok zemo friend. About how much screen time do antman, spiderman and Lizzie have?
>>67862754
I admire your dedication to this charade.
>>67862629
That'd be a real shame. Bruhle is a fantastic actor and it would be sad for him to be wasted on a bit part when there's no other Cap movies on the slate.
>>67862797
>>67862802
>Backtracking
MNN
>>67862975
He'll be in "Black Panther".
>>67863020
im not the guy who saw the movie, im just referring to interviews they did
>>67854344
Oh God, I can almost see it.
>Bucky is blamed for terrorist attack
>He didn't do it!
>He did it!
>Parking lot brawl
>Quip-punch-repeat
>Spider-Man: Let's be friends guys
>Baron Zemo: it was me all along Cap!
>Secondary character dies, with no emotional weight or real impact
>Roll credits
>Another Thanos post-credit scene
>Audience bursts into applause
>>67863205
The one who gets the blame for Africa's incident with Crossbones is Scarlet Witch.
>>67862629
And they also never mentioned Hydra's involvement with Winter Soldier before it's release unless you saw the episode of shield right before that movie and winter soldier wasn't the primary threat in that film, either.
The Civil war conflict isn't sidetracked at all. Zemo fast-tracked it and Steve escalated it. The mess bleeds over into the Wakandan involvement and Tony's constantly breathing down Steve's neck the entire time about it.
Connect. The. Dots.
Steve is NOT going along with Tony after Zemo shows up. He's merely doing everything he can to clear Bucky at the cost of going against both Tony and BP (and BP gives no fucks at all about Bucky) which is a huge problem for everybody else that has to worry about further Wakandan retaliation.
Stark is feeling massively guilty and wants no parts of being seen as made responsible for further issues as the UN attacks are nothing but a bunch of finger-pointing, so he's doing what he feels must be done.
The entire thing IS a civil war, but it's not something that's decided by a fight at an airport.
>>67863205
i hope you're right, i don't want that they drag the Civil War thing out over to other movies
>>67862819
That's mostly true, but it's not really the same as what the BVS trailers and marketing did, and it didn't really matter because it was Ant-Man.
His villain reveal didn't matter, dude was clearly the badman and we see his suit in the first act. it didn't really spoil the story like the Doomsday reveal. And we see some of the train-set sequence, but the heist on the badman's compound isn't really shown ever in the trailers, other than like the ants in the sewer tunnel.
And with Ant-Man, the draw is that it's a wacky superhero thriller about a comedy actor that becomes small. They're not selling the narrative. They spoiled some plot beats and set-pieces, but that didn't "spoil" the movie.
While with BVS, they spoiled shit in almost every wrong way possible. The trailers heavily featured every scene Diana Prince was in, and made it seem like Wonder Woman was going to be a major character throughout the entire film. They put WW on a pedestal that confused audiences when she was basically a glorified cameo. They spoiled that in a movie about BATMAN VERSUS SUPERMAN, we learn in the trailers that BATMAN AND SUPERMAN TEAM UP to fight a Cave Troll from LOTR. The entire source of dramatic tension for the film was spoiled in the trailer.
And we can all probably assume that the end of Civil War will also probably involve both sides uniting against a common threat and teaming up to win the movie, since that's basically how every Hero v Hero story arc works, but at least it wasn't fucking ruined in the trailer.
>>67863275
>UN attacks
wat?
>>67863605
An attack on the UN in where BP's dad gets fucked up. That much is known already.
>>67863205
your kinda missing a 3rd act in your shit post
>>67863350
Civil war isn't, but Phase 3 is literally set up with all earth-bound films to have the shadow of Wakanda looming over them.
>>67862974
I don't like charades and I hated the fucker in Soul Calibur 2.
>>67854979
Red Hulk shows up
Everyone becomes BFF to defeat him
Zemo gets jailed
Cap sacrifices himself to kill Rulk
Funeral
Tease of Cap resurrecting and Tony assemblin the avengers league
>>67864401
so bvs script but in marvel form..?
>>67864175
>Phase 3 is literally set up with all earth-bound films to have the shadow of Wakanda looming over them.
And then for what?
What's the pay-off
>>67864401
Captain America v Iron Man: Dawn of Constitutionality
>>67862975
Marvel is starting to push the Thunderbolts in comics, games and cartoons like they did with GotG before announcing a movie, Zemo is one of the lead characters of the title.
>>67865537
They'll probably confirm it if Suicide Squad is a success.
>>67862754
If this is true then the bad guys win right?
What if that is what this "controversial ending" is about?
>>67864702
It's. Fucking. Wakanda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30wOzoR4n4s
Even aside that, There's plenty of payoff as-is in civil war.....except for anybody that's expecting much from Crossbones. He's in, has a fight scene in the beginning, gets captured and released later only to assasinate cap. He has limited screen time Just like Batroc did in Winter Soldier, only just the added bonus of getting in the kill shot.
DB's performance as Helmut is something that's close to that bald prick from Whiplash, but almost every word he says cuts painfully deep. The guy makes you WANT cap to be like "fuck it. I gotta kill this faggot."
The most tense scenes aren't the action, but the emotional ones and there's 4 really togh ones, but the last and best one is definitely the look on Steve's face after he gets shot. It's absolutely tragic and the whole thing is pretty much drummed up to be the greatest international disaster so far.
The issue with Wakanda is simply because the matter of the accords went over absolutely terribly and the aftermath left a bad taste in Wakanda's mouth simply because all of it could be chalked up to the stupidity of the world's governments dragging Wakanda into something they never wanted part of to begin with, so now, instead of being a non-interacting force in the rest of the world's matters, they're pretty much actively monitoring things in ways that make it seem like T'challa's going to fuck the first country that ever attempts to do something stupid like how they pushed a shit legislation like the accords ever again or probably just declare war on anything that is just patently too stupid.
BP knows the avengers is best left alone and that no government has any reason to be bothering with matters that are simply just beyond their grasp. The Accords and the drama surrounding is it is pretty much what everybody wants to point at as being responsible for Cap's death because NOBODY in the right mind wants to be held accountable for that.
>>67865673
I almost can't wait for all the whiny stormfront fags to bitch and moan at the representation of wakanda as a technological and military powerhouse.
'but its africa and muh realism'.
Oh the outrage will be so sweet.
Thats the good thing about comic movies. they piss of both SJWs and /pol/ types.
>>67865673
Excuse me for asking, but did you like the movie or not? What would you rate it out of 10 or 100?
>>67854523
That makes no sense. Iron Man's regular armor can take tank shells, Cap shouldn't be able to scratch him.
Somebody seen the movie? yeah sure. unless you're Chris Evans or any other meme guy from the movie.
>>67855208
Holllyyy shittttt
>>67865565
Just like how it was a huge deal that shield fell in winter soldier because hydra was infesting it, Civil war plays up the "war" angle in an ultra-negative light.
Panther is absolutely pissed that he was tricked by Zemo and had a hand in being responsible for the death of captain america, so Wakanda rises as a gigahuge threat. Zemo doesn't win, but it feels like he won because the way the world looks to be in the MCU is going to be an entirely a colder theme.
If I had to compare it to something, watching it felt like walking into that one anime with the cute magical girls only to get blindsided by that brutal out-of-nowhere mood whiplash episode.
This shit plays NO games with your emotions and feelings will be hurt multiple times. The movie's good, but the pain lasts.
Vision in a suit is literally the funniest thing in the movie even though the humor otherwise is incredibly limited.
The most rewarding thing in the entire movie is the fact that you can tell all the heroes fill legit conviction to be better people by Steve's legacy.
>>67858361
I wonder which company made his directorial debut crash so they could keep him in their franchise! Hmmm...
>>67865855
I could tell you I liked it, but there's a chance somebody could say I'm biased. All I can say is that if you walk into the theater with a smile, you'll walk out trying to clean your face up and you'll be feeling miserable for a day or so.
When Zemo speaks, brace for instant bloodthirst. You will NOT want him to live.
>but he will.
>>67856540
AAAHH CHTHON HELP HE'S GOT A MIND GEM INFINITY THING!!!
>>67866372
>implying it's not Chthon the one raping her
>>67866046
Cap will not die, stop this meme
>>67858892
>>67858667
>>67858567
>>67858227
>>67858015
Hey can you ask your uncle when the next pokemon game is coming out? thanks
>>67866474
October 2016
>>67866485
thank you
>>67866046
>The most rewarding thing in the entire movie is the fact that you can tell all the heroes fill legit conviction to be better people by Steve's legacy.
Ok. I need a gauge on how this movie would devastate me.
On a scale of 1-10 how much did the death of Bambi's mom affect you?
>>67866474
My uncle is dead and he never worked at game freak.
But here's a picture of Iron Fisk instead.
>>67855615
You have no time to spend money that you don't have? What the fuck do you do then? Do you not have a job?
>>67856272
Doesn't it end in the CA comic not the Civil War event.
i don't really care, I'm going to take my wife's son to this movie day one. Looks good to me.
>>67866938
Same. My little Jamal is already worried about War Machine's fate.
>>67866592
Bambi's mom is a 3, maybe a 4. It never stuck with me as hard or hit as close to home as Old yeller because I had a german shepard that I needed to put down. Never owned a deer and I certainly thought Bambi's mom being Shot was sad...but that movie never pushed it that far to me simply because the hunters never went and claimed the kill on-screen.
On the other hand, the "Death" in Wolf Children is a solid 7 because that shit made me feel like a monster for dismissing so many roadside animal carcasses so callously.
I have legit issue with spending time with people, getting to know them, then watching them go dead, wide-eyed and not making a sound. I'm sorry, but the last efforts of a person who is so selfless that even when their lights are going out they are just plain determined not to stay down because there are things more important is difficult to watch.
The look he glares back at Crossbones literally gives him pause from through the Sniper's scope. And Steve straight-up does not blink at all or make a sound.
Bucky does all the screaming. (or most of it, camera focuses on him a lot) and it's downright crippling.
>>67854344
But we can tell you most of the movie plot from the trailer
>>67867039
No way audiences keep up with all this political conflict, I can't follow it even now. And I call bullshit that any actor can be so menacing the way you describe it, this is just capeshit for fuck's sake.
>>67867246
>this is just capeshit for fuck's sake.
I need this for posterity
>>67857220
I will thank you. Did you enjoy your Green Lantern, anon?
>>67854344
Assuming this isn't the final scene.
>>67867246
The political conflict is simple. Ross is putting Pressure on Stark because wakanda's wondering how the vibranium got out. The conflict from the avengers films and winter soldier is just carry-over.
The UN summit is bombed while the Wakandan Committe is present and Bucky is officially the world's most wanted.
You can believe whatever you want, but DB is a hell of an actor. While Heath Ledger's Joker is all about Chaos, Daniel Bruhl's Zemo is all about calculations like how Ozymandias was. The difference is that Zemo almost had a complete no-win scenario planned out.
The Civil War's basic story was given away by Marvel already, but the complete plot just never got fully revealed in the trailers. The Cap vs IM thing was never undercut, it's just reinforced because Zemo is exacerbating the circumstances.
If I told you the whole plot of Winter Soldier before it came out, no doubt you'd tell me the same exact thing. No skin off my back.
>>67854344
Everyone forgot about Zemo again.
>>67854344
Having Civil War be a Cap film, with so few characters in the MCU is a mistake. Watching them rush one another at the airport is so underwhelming, it's seriously just 12 dudes running. I've seen fights on World Star that were more massive than that.
>>67854523
no, it's whenCap dies
>>67867807
That's actually the first one.
It's a flashback to the 80's where you see one of Bucky's many missions as Hydra's agent.
Then it jumps to nowadays, with Peggy's funeral.
>>67855307
GREATEST GLADIATOR MATCH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
AI GOD vs ANT MAN
PILOT vs PILOT
CAPTAIN OF AMERICA vs MAN OF IRON
I believe nothing of this bs. I bet the plot is simple and stupid as in BvS. Capekino finally dies!
>>67868217
MAN OF VIBRANIUM vs SLUT OF SOKOVIA
>>67868011
What does Ant Man do in the movie? How large is his role?
>>67868011
It's Bucky killing Howard.
>>67866422
>Meme
At what point did people start thinking this?
Cap has no more titles coming up and it's pretty obvious he'll be resurrected by the gauntlet in Infinity War, so it's a huge joke to think for even a single second that people are pushing shitty memes when Marvel would go for a more obvious move of surprising non-comic readers with the full extent of the gauntlet's power by bringing back the dead.
It ain't exactly rocket science.
>>67868289
She's not a slut
>>67868319
Not much.
The Avengers head to him to ask for help after they go rogue, after Falcon recommends they should get his help.
They find him in some van, and he spergs out when he sees Cap, saying basically how much of a fanboy he is and how he knows they are the true good guys and all that.
He first transforms into Giant Man after the airport fight.
>>67868319
im sure its quite small :^)
>>67868383
Sorry, IN the airport fight.
This one happens after Cap's team breaks Bucky free in Germany, and they try to acquire some transport in the airport to escape, but they get ambushed by Iron Man and the others.
Fight ends after Vision goes head to head with Scarlet Witch, she goes overboard while deflecting one of Vision's beams and fucks up War Machine pretty hard.
>>67868346
>surprising non-comic readers with the full extent of the gauntlet's power by bringing back the dead
I didn't know that until just now, and it didn't surprise me. In fact, I'd guess "character getting resurrected with magic" is close to the most unsurprising thing that could occur in a film.
>>67868458
What's the big dark thing that happens in the final act, m8?
>>67868458
What about this?
>>67857877
>>67868649
Bucky leaves all of a sudden.
Cap wants to find him, but lets the other Avengers stay in hiding to be as ''silent'' as possible.
Bucky goes back to a HYDRA outpost in Siberia, which is where they kept him in cryo for decades during his active time as a HYDRA agent.
It's also the one where you see him in the opening scene in the movie.
Also, the pic and speculation about ''Bucky's clone'' is not true.
The chamber where the ''Bucky clone'' is, it's an empty chair, and if you look close enough, you'll see it.
It does look like there's someone inside looking towards Cap and Iron Man, but it's just the head rest for the chair.
>>67868770
Of course then Iron Man fights against Cap and Bucky and stuff.
Iron Man does rip off Bucky's arm, it leaves him out of the fight, but he doesn't feel any pain since the arm is purely synthetic.
He just can't fight Iron Man in his armor with one regular arm.
>>67868319
Ant-Man is levity. He fanboys out only a tiny bit when he's brought in, but after, he gets into a little ten-second spat with Falcon.
Scott>"Look, bro. I respect you. I like you and all, but Let's not forget I can still kick your ass."
Sam>"Oh, we're going there now?"
Scott>"Only if you want me to."
Sam>*glances at steve*
Steve>*Looks at steve, clearly not understanding the conversation, but looks mildly interested.*
Sam>*looks back at Scott* "I'll be the bigger man and let that slide."
He bros up with Falcon later and does get the drop on Vision by mistake, but plays it cool. He annoys BW at small size, but she bitchslaps him only when he's at regular size.
Spider-man stops him outright when he's shrunk with webbing and Cap gets wrecked by spidey with the dopest move ever.
The movie gets harsher when it nears the end of the second act and Tony is just plain desperate when Spidey comments on the matter. it's obvious pete wants to do the right thing, but the more he sees, the more conflicted he is.
>>67869084
*correction
>Steve>*Looks at Sam, clearly not understanding the conversation, but looks mildly interested.*
>>67868378
Oh boy, you don't know what a horny girl she is.
>>67869254
THANOS NO!
DELETE THIS
>>67869286
never
Why do people think the airport scene is the final scene? In the Cap/Bucky/Stark brawl, Cap has a black eye and a busted lip. Everyone in the airport is scratch-free. The fight between Cap and Stark is more personal too.
>>67868383
>>67868458
here's the problem with being an Anon.
I'm posting and somebody's cross-posting with what I'm saying, so there's mixed signals.
>>67855124
Cap won't die this time. He died in the comics. Iron Man will die this time, killed by Bucky
Why is Baron Zemo not in a single trailer or promotional still
>>67869660
Because they're not trying to spoil the entire movie. Hydra wasn't spoiled in winter soldier, either.
>>67869084
What is our introduction to spidey
Can you tell us some of his story?
>>67869660
Because it's better to keep it in secret?
