Who wins?
>>64596885
they're pointing at us..
>screen goes black
>gunshot is heard
>credits start rolling
>>64596885
That US marshal was operator as fuck. He made every shot count.
>>64596885
that the fed from Blackhat up top? that guy was so fucking good and he had probably six lines. perfect casting.
>>64597866
Him and Amanda waller were the best characters
>>64597938
I liked the neckbeard's Eastern bloc lieutenant too.
>>64596885
I want to see a movie about this guy.
>>64597114
In that case the guy above wins because his weapon isn't suppressed
>>64597971
Yeah it's weird, he barely had any lines too but he conveyed so much. His expression when he realized one of his men wasn't gonna make it got to me, and this isn't the kind of movie you're supposed to sympathize with the villain.
>>64598055
That particular scene was very well done. And also emphasized that they were mercenaries and didn't really care about the guy's pissing contest.
>>64598111
The two firefights in Blackhat was better than the entirety of Sicario
>>64596885
What the hell was that?
>you gave me the nod
A hit him in the face nod, not a throw him off the roof nod.
>I though that's what you wanted
AT MOS, at most that was a break his fingers nod. Jesus Wade, the man was a scientific genius. Granted his weight signaled certain impulse control issues but... that's no reason to throw his fat ass off 57 floors.
>Sorry.
Wade (guy on top) goes a little over board some times. I think that gives him an edge.
>>64596927
damn...
>>64598197
>two
There were 3 to my recollection but I agree with you.
>>64598325
Oh yeah I forgot about the final act, probably because it was so stabby.
>A majority of /tv/ like Sicario more than Blackhat
It's as if everyone here is under 25.
>>64598820
are you 25?
>>but kate, he is wearing FLIP FLOPS! something's going on with him, can't you see?
>wait a minute... you're a spook! right? the audience hasn't understood that yet, so let me say it again! you are cia, right?
>this illegal massacre witnessed by hundreds of civilians will be all over the newspapers tomorrow! wait no it won't be because we are cynical veterans and know this is always gets buried!
>be careful Kate, cops are the ones you can't trust! don't be surprised if in the next act you get betrayed by one, even if he comes out of nowhere
>by the way, they killed his wife and daughter, he is DAMAGED, in case you didn't notice by the way he acts
>by the way I'm an alpha wolf, I'm staring you down, like a wolf, get it?
>mfw Sicariofags genuinely believe that even the writing was better, with all it's hamfisted expository dialogues
Blackhat's screenplay might be cliché but fuck if it isn't refreshing to see a filmmaker SHOWING rather than telling, and having its characters reveal themselves and develop through visual actions, focusing on small gestures or looks without needing to explicitly state what is happening, and highlighting the film's themes through the way it's shot, the digital texture, the lighting, the music, etc.
Just compare the use of establishing shots; when Villeneuve shoots the Mexican desert from a helicopter, it's just because it looks nice, when Mann shoots an imposing neon-lit skyscraper in the night, it carries all the existential depth of his characters.
>>64599698
Amen brother. Blackhat was all about visualization.
>>64599698
Very well written.
>>64598820
>>64599698
>>64599762
>>64599902
>le Blackhat is good meme xD
Fuck off, hipsters.
>>64599698
Sicario had a powerful message, Blackhat didn't.
>>64600000
I saw your quints and heard your insults, but where are your arguments?
>>64600000
Quints speak truth.
>>64600000
>le ebin review aggregators xDDD
>>>/reddit/
>>64600000
>>64600007
Mann's subjects are much more fundamental and timelessly relevant. Sicario is "important" and relevant only to the extent that its subjects, the Drug War and the US involvement in it, are relevant, which is obviously only over the course of a few decades.
The struggles of Mann's characters are applicable to a far greater time scale than a few decades.
It's just another thriller, competently done, with an "important" subject. Many other filmmakers could've made just as good a movie about the same thing, because it's not that hard.
>>64600057
>can't refute the facts
>better tell him to go back to reddit xD
>>64600007
Blackhat was literally about the issues of the modern world, transcending mere borders which are so important in Sicario's narrative. The criminality in Blackhat would make the dealers in Sicario blush.
>>64600000
Sicario is more of a meme than anything. That movie isn't even good.
>>64600007
>Powerful message
No it didn't. It was a topical movie that's a easy fucking topic to make a dumb action movie out of, which is what it turns into during the final act.
>>64600090
What facts? You haven't given any arguments, you only posted some scores from ebin review sites as if that's an argument to whether a movie is good or not. Fuck off you fedoracore pleblord.
>mfw Jessup goes from chubby middle-aged cop to fearless hero in 1.3 seconds
>>64600007
>movies need DEEP MESSAGES LMAO XD
Tropa de Elite was a much better ""topical"" movie on the drug war than Sicario, with a similar message but without holding the viewers hands. That's why it got called fascist by so may clueless reviewers.
>>64600168
You're not familiar with the actor if you didn't already know he was gonna turn out that way.
>>64600090
Remember when Brolin was whistling that american song when Del Toro was about to waterboard that guy?
THAT WAS SO DEEP AND COMPLEX. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DIRECTOR MEANT BY THAT? SO MANY LAYERS IN ONE SCENE MY GOD.
>>64600205
I am actually going to look up this actors films now. He was my favorite for the movie.
>>64596885
Was Del Toro supposed to be CIA in the film?
I didn't see the flick but that doesn't make much sense at all. He's not even a big guy.
>>64596885
The white guy.
>>64600250
Lights Out was a TV show but he's great in it.
>>64600168
Nearly every time he fired his gun he hit someone. Fucking based.
>>64598055
That's common in Mann's films--showing the similarities between "good" guys and "bad" guys, obscuring the line between "good" and "bad."
>>64600290
Holy shit, I've been giving you edgelords the benefit of the doubt, but please tell me you're memeing right now. I'm actually experiencing second-hand embarrassment.
>>64600168
When Jessup leaned out the car window and started shooting I fucking lost it. Are all of Mann's films like this?
>>64600256
>I didn't see the flick
obiously
>>64600334
Hey honestly if you're gonna trash Blackhat and praise Sicario which is basically Blackhat: Exposition Inbound, then you don't have any business being a cunt.
>>64600334
Actually Mann does, but it's not subtle at all or warranted, like in Heat.
>>64600377
Most of them. Heat, Miami Vice, Collateral, and Thief are essential. Manhunter too but I'm not too into that one. Last of the Mohicans and The Insider are amazing but they are departures from his other stuff. Only watch Ali and Public Enemies if you're a diehard fan of the others. Stay away from The Keep.
>>64598820
>>64599698
Sicario just has a more traditional, safer narrative style and more traditional safer dialogue and characterization. This pretty much alone means most people will prefer it to more abstract films. /tv/ is way to pleb to deviate from this trend. It's just a more traditional movie than Blackhat that ticks most viewers' superficial requirements, with the elements I already mentioned, plus superficially good-looking photography, solid acting, and an interesting subject.
>Mann shows, doesn't need to tell; Just compare the use of establishing shots; when Villeneuve shoots the Mexican desert from a helicopter, it's just because it looks nice, when Mann shoots an imposing neon-lit skyscraper in the night, it carries all the existential depth of his characters.
This is why Villenueve is just a competent director, following in Nolan's and Fincher's paths. There's little meaning in the aesthetically pleasing photography, as in Nolan and Fincher's movies (although Nolan's often don't even look good superficially). It looks pretty, but doesn't feed the characterization or themes. There are 10s of 1000s of people who can arrange pretty shots, so it's almost completely unremarkable.
>>64600168
>I'm going to ask you a question, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. Who did you lose on 9-11
>My husband
And then they just sit there in silence while the camera stays on them. If a scene like that was in Sicario one of the characters would be talking in retarded action movie metaphors.
>Hurr your not a wolf and I am etc
>Hurr keep your head in the game and watch the time and blah blah fucking blah
>>64600506
>Sicario just has a more traditional, safer narrative style and more traditional safer dialogue and characterization.
You Mann fanboys are delusional.
>>64600553
He's 100% right though. Sicario is basically Traffic with more shooting. It's Tropa de Elite with a chick.
>>64599698
ARE YOU JOKING
>HEY INEXPLICABLE CHINESE LOVE INTEREST WITH NO CHEMISTRY HAMFISTED INTO THE STORY FOR THE CHINESE AUDIENCE WHO WONT WATCH THIS SHITFLICK ANYWAY
>HEY WAVE TO YOUR BROTHER IN THE CAR, ITS NOT LIKE THE CAR IS GOING TO EXPLODE IN THE NEXT FRAME BECAUSE WE JUST TELEGRAPHED IT IN SUCH A LAUGHABLE HACKNEYED WAY
>WHATS THE PLOT ABOUT AGAIN? MELTING DOWN A NUCLEAR REACTOR TO COVER UP WHAT
>CHECK OUT THESE COOL CGI SCENES OF A CIRCUIT BOARD WE'RE HACKING THE PLANET NOW!
BLACKHAT WAS CHOCK FULL OF HILARIOUS GARBAGE, YOUR DEDICATED MEMEING THAT ITS ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHIT IS ADMIRABLE THOUGH
>>64600587
>HEY WAVE TO YOUR BROTHER IN THE CAR, ITS NOT LIKE THE CAR IS GOING TO EXPLODE IN THE NEXT FRAME BECAUSE WE JUST TELEGRAPHED IT IN SUCH A LAUGHABLE HACKNEYED WAY
You didn't know that was going to happen. Admit it.
>>64600581
>Sicario is basically Traffic with more shooting. It's Tropa de Elite with a chick.
>he couldn't understand traffic
>he couldn't understand tropa de elite
>he couldn't even understand sicario
>>64600676
it's not Brakhage; I can understand drug war tapestries pretty easily.
>Sicario had an ugly white woman (quite manly-looking, must be at least 40), sex scene is anything but arousing, she's even wearing male shoes
>Blackhat had a superior Asian qt, sex scene is basically the pinnacle of sensuality, pure bliss and euphoria
Just another reason why Blackhat > Sicario
>>64600587
WOW SPLINTER CELL DEL TORO KILLED THAT GUYS FAMILY BECAUSE HE KILLED HIS FAMILY. SO POWERFUL, I WONDER WHY DIDN'T BRING IT UP THE ENTIRE MOVIE THAT HIS FAMILY WAS DEAD
Oh wait..
Oh.
Ooohhhhhhhhh-
>>64600756
that sex scene in Blackhat was classy stuff.
>>64600789
Agreed, and I usually think sex scenes make anything tacky.
>>64600740
Why don't you explain how Tropa de Elite, Traffic and Sicario are so fundamentally similar?
>>64600756
nobody cares what you think weeaboo
>>64600824
All of them are about compromising one's morality in the face of an all-consuming international problem.
>>64600824
yellow filters DUDE MEXICO LMAO
>>64600774
probably because he didn't want an FBI agent to know he was working for a columbian drug cartel, just a guess
>>64600832
go back to your disgusting white whores
>>64600916
Literally every character in Sicario knew Del Toro's punisher origin.
>>64600856
>compromising one's morality in the face of an all-consuming international problem.
It's almost like you didn't understand Traffic and Tropa de Elite. No wait, you didn't understand Traffic and Tropa de Elite.
>>64600553
cool insult. I especially liked how your post contains no actual content pertaining to any film, especially the ones being discussed in the thread.
But sure--filmmaking is nothing more than telling a relatively traditional story with expositional dialogue and pretty pictures. That's really all there is to it!!!
![Sicario.2015.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS.mkv_snapshot_01.50.07_[2015.12.24_18.51.08].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VH00a4J.jpg "Sicario.2015.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS.mkv_snapshot_01.50.07_[2015.12.24_18.51.08].jpg")
>>64600774
>M-MUH SHOW DONT TELL
ALL INFORMATION IS WITHHELD TO THE POINT OF THEM ASKING WHY THEY'RE IN THE DARK
WHY DISCLOSE THE CHARACTER MOTIVATIONS EARLY, LET ALONE COMPROMISE THE MISSION
BENICIO'S PERFORMANCE ALONE IS MILES AHEAD OF ALL THE BLACKHAT ACTING COMBINED, THOR AINT GOT SHIT ON HIM
>>64600970
No, pretty sure I did and it's you who is being deliberately nebulous as a defense mechanism.
>>64600991
How does Sicario have a traditional story?
>>64600756
Blackhat is a superior cinëma, but Blunt kicks the shit out of that yellow broad, Senpai.
>>64600998
I'm referring to everyone besides the completely irrelevant main character. What exactly did Del Toro do besides shoot people?
>>64601064
You are fucking gay
Imagine Mann shooting Sicario
and Villeneuve shooting Blackhat
Which would you rather see?
>>64601148
Any director could make Sicario look good its a easy fucking topic to make a movie about.
Even THE KEEP shits all over any of Villeneuve's flicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itOJqduauUM
>Mann will never use Tangerine Dream's music again
Imagine Blackhat scored with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epOf2RLqLdw
>>64598022
"When getting ready to ice a car full of cartel thugs, make sure to look away for a moment to make them think you've lost focus. Then you can quickly take them out and claim self defense when they make a move on you."
>>64601013
Tropa de Elite wasn't about compromising one's morality in the face of an all-consuming international problem. The problems in Tropa de Elite were not even national, mostly regional. Additionally, it was about not compromising your morality in the face of adversity, about standing up for your ideals and not be afraid of the consequences.
>>64596885
Jews
>>64601328
Real edgy there m8
>>64601438
>>64597114
BWEEEEE BWEEEEE
>>64601297
"We can violate every law except this one law that requires your signature, which we're going to extort out of you at gunpoint."
What was the point of this movie? Because drug war?
>>64601297
>you read that in Michael Westen's voice
>>64601504
>The drugtrade is an extremely lucrative and illegal business, which makes it interesting for criminal organizations. The only reason why drugs are so lucrative is that people are using them. If they would stop, so would the drug business and so would this violent problem, but as people aren't going to do that, we have to control it to minimize undesirable consequences.
Because people.
>>64598051
>implying a silencer makes a gunshot completely silent
Lol ho boy
>>64601649
or you could just legalize them and cartels would instantly have 0 power
blaze it bitch
>>64601683
>or you could just legalize them
You could, and many drugs are but with prescriptions.
>>64599698
>goes to mexico to operate with delta force
>sees headless bodies
>grab one of the people responsible for this
>get into firefight on the way back
>utilize terrorism laws to make it happen
>SIR, what they are doing is illegal!!
>bitch, shut the fuck up, congress and the president allowed this to happen
>... ok
>ONE ACT LATER
>IM GONNA GO PUBLIC, IM GONNA TELL EVERYONE WHAT I SEE HERE, IM GONNA TELL ERRONE, IM GONNA GET MY KEK BF TO HELP ME DO IT, YOULL SEE
>IM A LOW RENT FBI AGENT BUT IM GONNA TATTLE ON YOU HIGH-LEVEL OPERATORS AND CIA SPOOKS, EVEN THOUGH I SHOULD KNOW BETTER
le strongest womyn ruining anything she touches meme
>>64601812
Would a spook/SAD operator really treat a FBI agent like this in real life? Seems kind of unbelievable given the training that FBI agents receive.
>>64601812
Why was she so cartoonishly naive? She had the characterization of a fucking anime protagonist. Idealist are fucking stupid and make horrible protagonists.
>>64596885
/k/ fag reporting
Neither of these guys has the gun lined up with his eyes correctly.
So the guy with the suppressor, because the other dude is going to blow his hearing out the way his head is turned towards the gun like that.
>>64601918
>would a person with authority undermine his subordinates
yes
>>64602014
An FBI agent doesn't work for the CIA so the CIA would have no authority.
>>64601993
Woah good eye. Thanks for pointing that out.
>>64602049
She volunteered for an inter-agency task force, at which point she was a subordinate of Brolin. As she was there voluntarily, she could just have left, and only then would Brolin lose his authority over her. She even used this threat a few times as leverage to get some things done.
>>64602049
FBI is DOJ.
But I have a feeling that DHS has authority over them behind closed doors.
>>64601178
MANN HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING WITH BLACKHAT HACKING
WATCH HIS CHARLIE ROSE INTERVIEW ABOUT THIS FLICK HE DEMONSTRATES HOW CLUELESS HE IS, JUST DO A MOVIE ABOUT RUSSIANS CARDING AND CUT THE CONVOLUTED JAMES BOND SHIT
THE NUCLEAR REACTOR COMMODITY MARKET PLOT IS RETARDED AS FUCK. WHY IS THERE A LOVE STORY IN THIS MOVIE AT ALL, WHY IS IT SO INSTANT, FORCED AND INORGANIC, WHY IS THERE NO CHEMISTRY, WHY IS THE ACTING ALL SHIT, WHY IS THERE SO MUCH CGI, WHY ARE THERE ALL THESE USELESS CHARACTERS, WHY IS LITERALLY THE NSA RETARDED ENOUGH TO GET SOCIALLY ENGINEERED, WHY DO THEYNEED A BLACKHAT HACKER NAMED HATHAWAY :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CXNC_rCLEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH4VZqkI6Qk
THIS AINT NO KINÓ BUDDY
>>64602581
The love story felt natural to me: He'd been in prison for years and this woman was throwing herself at him practically.
>>64602581
holy shit that looks like generic mindless shit
>miami vice is good
>s-so is blackhat
fucking contrarians
>>64602581
How can a love story be forced in a two hour movie? How many more scenes do you need to establish two people are attracted to each other?
>>64602581
The. marketing for this movie was H O R R E N D O U S. The actual movie isn't like this.
>>64602698
>prison sentence commuted to save the world
>have to globe trot to stop terrorist hackers
>but theres enough time to find some slut and fall in love
thats how a love story can be forced in a two hour movie. totally unnecessary
>>64602947
He didn't "find some slut" were you even paying attention?
>>64602679
>i haven't seen it
>>64602985
Yeah. It was forced.
>>64601282
>mfw I get to see Thief in a theater tomorrow
so psyched.
>>64603089
Yes, you've said that, but are you going to actually articulate why or...?
>>64603036
>squats over your open mouth
>begins to strain and grunt
>your friend walks in
>"dude what are you doing? don't eat shit"
>"how do you know its shit, bro?"
>>64603121
I did articulate. He's supposed to be stopping the leet hacker mercenaries, yet he finds the time to get laid and fall in love. How is that not forced, in your opinion?
>>64603154
Cute greentext witty as ever but if you haven't seen the film we're discussing please leave.
>>64597114
>mandatory sequel released
>revealed that the shooter just fired a warning shot
>>64603188
Because the characters gradually got to know each other, and hathaway didn't just "find time", he was with the woman, whom he was clearly attracted to, for some time in close proximity. People hook up in way less time than what you're suggesting, which is the two of them being instantly in love. He IS stopping the mercenaries, but the pacing of the movie isn't one shootout after the next, so of course there are quiet moments. Everything I just said will go over your head and I'm sure you have your next hip insult ready, but please try to have a counter argument this time.
>>64603366
Damn dude he's only shitposting don't bully him like that.
>>64603104
THIEF IS A GOOD MANN MOVIE, LIKE MANHUNTER AND HEAT
>>64603121
IT WAS FORCED AS FUCK, NOT ORGANIC, INSTANT FROM THE CHARACTERS MEETING AND FLAT OUT CONTRIVED
ITS DONE TO TRY TO PULL WOMEN IN THE SEATS
HACKING IS NOT SEXY, THOR IS SEXY, THOR BETTER GET WITH A GIRL OR YOURE WASTING HIS CASTING
ASIA WILL SEE MOVIES WITH ASIANS IN THEM(EXCEPT THIS MOVIE CUS NOBODY SAW IT NOWHERE LEL)
FORCED. PLUS BOTH CHINESE ACTORS COULDN'T ACT FOR SHIT, THE GIRL WORSE THAN THE GUY
>>64603484
just admit you liked the movie
>>64603366
The love story is tacked on because it has no relevance to the themes or the message of the movie. It's just there to fill time and provide some cliche characterization and drama.
>>64603609
I DID FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS, AND POSTED ABOUT IT WHEN IT RELEASED
BUT THERES TONS TO SHIT ON WITH BLACKHAT, MORE THAN WITH SICARIO
SICARIO IS THE BETTER MOVIE, AND THE BEST WIDE RELEASE OF 2015
GET MAD VILLENEUVE HATERS :^)
>>64603827
What's with the caps? You trying to be the new Koz? Stop trying so hard buddy
>>64601683
We're on the verge of legalizing marijuana.
Don't compare heroin, cocaine and other self-destructive drugs to pot. There's not a single politician who's going to advocate the position you just proposed. It's political suicide because it's simply wrong.
>>64603890
>Stop trying so hard buddy
BRO ITS SO EASY
PS KOZ IS "A" NEWFAG
>>64604070
>PS KOZ IS "A" NEWFAG
Lel. That was good, I'll give you that.
Barret and Jenson should've started shooting when they were behind the mercenaries instead of driving into their line of fire, and Jenson should've taken cover.
>>64596927
damn...
>>64604455
benicio del toro looks like that?...
>>64597114
DON'T STOP
>>64600377
Lost it in a good or bad way?
>>64600168
>that accelerator noise as he starts firing
God damn my heart started fucking pounding.
>>64604624
It was legit the only action sequence I enjoyed in like 5 years.
>>64600168
>this shot
>Viola Davis staring up at it
Wew, I felt a teardrop in my heart.
>>64600168
>The camera starting to dim
>That sound effect that echoes as soon as she hits the ground
>Jessup's last stand
>>64604933
>Jessup's last stand
I MADE THAT WEBM IN MAY
>>64604850
SHE GIT GOT OUTTA NOWHERE
>>64605451
Fucking beautiful. Marksmanship at it's finest. He really should've took cover though.
This guy
>>64605576
>should've took
*taken
>>64601812
why the fuck does she need so many mag pouches for a raid on one house
>>64605451
It took way too long for someone to post this.
I like both films but Sicario is way better. Except for the writing.
And it's getting guild nominations left and right kek
>>64606045
>but Sicario is way better.
not really.
Why the fuck did a hacker look like that? And why did they keep bringing him to everything like gunfights and nuclear reactors?
>>64601504
>>64601649
>>64601683
The last scene implies that the CIA's aggressive actions didn't have any serious effect on curbing cartel violence.
>>64606111
If it gets a dga nod, Based Mann will agree with me
whoever wins
we lose
>>64607221
Mann's not an asshole intent on ruining his career. All of Mann's movies are flops but they still give him funding for a reason.
>>64607244
>>64599698
I agree that the dumbing down for the audience sucks desu
TRAFFIC (2000) IS THE PREQUEL TO SICARIO WHY WONT ANYONE REPLY TO ME ABOUT THIS
I DONT FUCKING CARE DONT REPLY IT WONT CHANGE MY MIND
We all know who really wins.
>>64607897
My nigga
>>64607728
YOU'RE SO RIGHT MANG, IT'S THE PREQUEL, THE PREQUEL THE PREQUEL I TELL YOU!
feel better anon. to be honest i feel as you do because both movies felt exactly the same.
>>64607897
yes it's always tom cruise. but who else would have had the dedication to learn gun control this good?
johnny depp looked like a fucking weasel and as they instructed him to the tommy gunn for public enemy.
cruise actually see's the character driven aspect to learn this particular skillset.
>>64607897
Sheeeet. Don't forget he can race formula 1 like a champion
>>64601669
>Trying to look smart then calling a suppressor a "silencer"
Lol ho boy
>>64598258
>
Underrated movie
>>64609357
http://www.google.com/patents/US1482805
>>64607897
>doesn't blink when shooting
is there anything based Tom can't do?
>>64601669
it does when its a subsonic round like a .45
>>64609188
because tom cruise is a looney bin. if he wasn't he'd be fine acting like all the other slobs. being crazy is a secret power that makes great actors timeless.
tl;dr, you can't bruise the Cruise, son.
>>64601993
Or he's left eye dominant.
>>64609621
>tfw mann had tom go out and stalk the other actors like he was planning a hit for real before filming began to help get into character
>>64605631
Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. Frontline ammo is ten mags for military
>>64601297
NONONONONONONO
CON PAZ, CON PAZ
SUELTE LA PISTOLA, TIRELA
PREGUNTA PAISANOS
QUIERE MORIR?
>>64609767
and you will never see such preparation ever used in such a way to inspire awe in we the plebeians or will ever again bask in such creativity that brought all of these elements together to begin with or be partnered to, albeit a growing excitement that takes root when announcements are made that such awesomeness will be taken to the screen; what a time though, what an obvious patrician film, made by a patrician director and starring a patrician made scientist all of which happened at a time when being patrician was acceptable and expected. we will never see their kind again.
>>64609412
Hahhaha alright m8 you told me, I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about
>>64598820
>tfw you're 25 and loved them both
Toro was fucking badass
He didn't even torture the guy, I mean sure he killed the wife and kids, but he didn't let the guy linger on and have it sink in for him that he just killed his family
He literally just shot him a few seconds after, showing he wasn't a beta revenge-wanting guy, he was a total badass alpha, that just killed him while he was in a state of shock
The last thing the guy feels in his life is shock and confusion
