>>64478964
We must keep the meme alive!
Why do liberals think this is a valid argument
>2016
>using the shitty John Oliver version
ISHYGDDT
>>64479041
Because they think their ideas are modern or something
>>64478964
I nice, I needed yet another reason to hate Xavier Dolan.
>>64479061
>1437
>not using the Islamic calendar
I MEAN COME ON
You're not some sort of Islamophobic refugee-hating Neo-Nazi are you?
>>64479041
They think their opinion automatically correct, so they use the idea that since we live in a modern society, we should follow their ideas.
>>64479150
>1863
>still not emancipating your human property
I BESEECH THEE
Give it a month or two and it should go away.
We're still in that period where people accidentally put the wrong year.
IT'S YOU WHO'S OUT XAVIER!
OUT OF YOUR MIND!!!
>>64479117
Why do you talk as if you are more intelligent than them. Nice meme "them darn liberals are stoopid!"
This place is hive mind, never change /pol/.
>>64479182
Is she licking butt or tuppy?
>>64479182
this is such a great piece of cinema
>>64479182
Because real threads with links and greentext get ignored.
>>64479182
That is one huge duck.
>>64479182
Names?
>>64479150
>1395
>not using the superior solar persian version
Lizard eaters when will they learn
>>64479210
>implying the right wing smugness isn't just a response to the left wing smugness.
You leftards brought it on yourselves, when you feigned intelligence by repeating privileged college professor talking points.
>>64479182
GOAT cinematography
>2015 IS OVER
>>64479152
Just like how you think your opinion is automatically correct that liberals are stupid. Its such a laughable insult coming from the right side who is on average less educated more religious and an ugly motherfucker.
This place is so contrarian that the only reason this place turned into a conservative klan rally is because more people are leaning towards liberal now and the only people who want to vote republican are literally mouth breathing retards who think they are better off by not being helped by the government and continue living in their piece of shit trailer
>>64479337
BANE AND CIA
>>64479364
When will the childish ignorant meme "dem dere collage proffeser dont know a damn ting! They are just going to indoctrinate you!" Die?
Its so pathetic, i live in a conservative state and its hilarious seeing all these kids that actually live in trailer parks where meth labs are talk about how all we need to dp for them to be saved and get out of the trailer park is "OBAMA RUINING THIS COUNTRY!" STUPID LIBERAL! ME AND MY TRAILER PARK THINK DEM LIBERALS RUINING THIS COUNTRY"
Is their anything more pathetic then a middle to lower class conservative voter? Atleast the rich conservatives know how to vote for their best interest to fuck the middle class.
>>64479463
>automatically
No i actually discovered that liberals cant think outside the spectrum of the modern world, they think inside conceptual boxes of "rights" and "equality" when no such things exist in reality.
They are less EDUCATED, do you even know what educated means? The initial purpose of education was to indoctrinate students into obedience to the state, not for some abstract sense of learning and discovery.
At least the less educated individual is more modest and honest about himself instead of being a self righteous prick who only feigns compassion for the purpose of social credibility.
Its contrarian because were tired of the same regurgitated shit we are forced to hear from the institutions we have to attend if we wish to earn any standard of living and adapt to this shallow modern world your people helped create.
>>64478964
>faggots make it a point to "come out" and make their liking fudge-packing to be publicly know because they want everyone to care
>faggots lobby corporate America into publicly endorsing their bullshit while trying to destroy ones like Chick-Fil-A that refuse
>faggots even went as far as having people fired from their jobs for refusing to support gay marriage
>faggots make it a point to shove faggots into every last thing on TV to where reality shows and TV competition shows have to have that mandatory faggot in every last one of them, and more and more shows gotta have that token faggot in them while of course always depicting them as good guys
>"WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS? SURE WE COLLUDED AND WORKED TO SHOVE THESE PEOPLE DOWN YOUR THROATS AND SPENT THE PAST THREE YEARS MAKING CATERING TO FAGGOTS TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ENDING AFRICAN GENOCIDE OR GLOBAL FAMINE WHILE WE DEPICT TWO FAGS NOT BEING ABLE TO MARRY IN A CHRISTIAN CHURCH AS THE SAME THING AS 400 YEARS OF BLACK SLAVERY, BUT LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT IT ANY MORE BECAUSE IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR US TO HAVE ALL THIS SHIT POINTED OUT TO US! THIS IS 2015!"
I am sick of it. I can't wait for the Muslims and Africans Obama's bringing in to bring them their just karma
>>64479540
Please senpai, I need them.
>>64479702
>The initial purpose of education was to indoctrinate students into obedience to the state,
lol. Where did you hear this tripe? Most schools (in America) before the advent of compulsory education were community/religious institutions, the 'state' as in the state or federal governments had NOTHING to do with them.
State governments in the south actually voted down compulsory education because they thought it was a waste of money.
>>64479337
Phoenix Marie Piper Perri
>>64479633
>Childish
>Yeah man, those college professors have all your best interests in mind, they have no selfish reasons to be teaching in the first place.
Want to know whats childish? Thinking that anything tied to a paycheck is not subject to an institution which requires its workers to obey certain presuppositions which they are never allowed to question and oppose.
I havent seen a university professor argue against equality and rights and i highly doubt its because they're just the right values to hold.
>>64478964
I support this fully.
C'mon, it's 2015
>>64479041
Because they believe in totalitarianism
>Dolan
>>64479041
because their arguments are based on emotions so they shout and throw fits when they don't get their way. then they say things like "its 2015" as if it means something
>>64479843
You're a wonderful person, anon. Thanks!
>>64479981
Like you aren't going to watch his first English film starring Bella, Chastain and Jon Snow.
>>64480097
Yeah probably
They're nicely shot soap operas that make for a nice afternoon flick
>>64480126
Dolan pls
>>64479830
The US adopted the old Prussian model of "education" which was primarily designed for reinforcing obedience towards the state.
Even before then, schools would still fulfill a similar purpose.
My point is, that education is not some gold standard of intelligence, and even if it was, intelligence alone without the courage to think outside cultural institutional paradigms is meaningless.
Funny how you can discriminate intelligence on the basis of what educational institutions someone has attended but when you use Race and IQ suddenly this is forbidden and disregarded.
>>64479995
Conservatives argue and act out of fear. Fear of literally everything. Is their any group of people that are bigger pussies than conservatives?
Conservatives are literally a meme and are not actually taken seriously anywhere.they literally want to make laws based on a fairy god in the sky and want to pray 50 times a day to their lord and savior jeebus chribst. They are so blessed to have yellow teeth and live in a trailer with bobby joe. Their much more educated at their trailer homeschool reading the bible and watching fox news learning who to hate and fear next. Conservememes are the best meme of 2015. If you see a conservative post just type he he nice memes. Thats what they are
>>64480335
He he nice meme
>>64479995
He he nice memes
>>64480438
he's right though
compulsory schooling's primary purpose in the lower and middle class is to enforce obedience
>>64480335
HE HE HE NICE MAYMAY YOU GOT THERE BILLY JOE
>>64480337
Fear is a survival mechanism you retard, liberals can gloat and laugh all they want because they are sheltered from the consequences of their actions.
Fear is to be understood and controlled, not denied or "overcome".
>>64480337
>Is their any group of people
Opinion discarded.
>>64480552
Hehe nice meme. No proof meme. Le tin foil hat wearer
>>64479041
I just can't even
like really
it's 2016 now come on guys
>>64480606
just go to college m8
>>64480175
>>64480591
Ahahahahah this retard right here. You are so stupid you are a walking meme. Omg i though we were shitposting in here but right here is an actually retard.
>I fear muslims in america even though Im 100 times more likely to be murdered by someone in my own race
Yea real plausible fears that should be taken into account you go there.
republicans make up their enemies and once again when they are proven to be wrong they curl up amd find a new boogeyman.
You are so stupid im not even going to argue the most fedora tipping part of your post about how fear is a good thing and not to be overcome.
You seriously cant be this stupid
>>64480438
>>64480563
So liberals aren't really against discrimination as they claim they are, they discriminate just as much for rural whites or what they consider "white trash".
Im actually Hispanic but i feel the need to defend and perhaps identify with these whites because they are good honest people in my eyes despite their relative ignorance. I value their courage and strength more than their intelligence.
Ironic that most of the rural white hatred comes from northern or more privileged whites.
>>64480643
I have my MBA you fuckboy. Go to highschool kiddo.
Chronological snobbery is the erroneous argument (usually considered[by whom?] an outright fallacy) that the thinking, art, or science of an earlier time is inherently inferior to that of the present, simply by virtue of its temporal priority. The term was coined by C. S. Lewis and Owen Barfield.
Barfield never made me an Anthroposophist, but his counterattacks destroyed forever two elements in my own thought. In the first place he made short work of what I have called my "chronological snobbery," the uncritical acceptance of the intellectual climate common to our own age and the assumption that whatever has gone out of date is on that account discredited. You must find why it went out of date. Was it ever refuted (and if so by whom, where, and how conclusively) or did it merely die away as fashions do? If the latter, this tells us nothing about its truth or falsehood. From seeing this, one passes to the realization that our own age is also "a period," and certainly has, like all periods, its own characteristic illusions. They are likeliest to lurk in those widespread assumptions which are so ingrained in the age that no one dares to attack or feels it necessary to defend them.
>>64480764
>Haha look at me take one statistic out of context and look so smart.
And you call me the fedora tipper?
>>64480820
i have nigger
>>64480776
stop being a culturewhore
>>64480764
>>64480337
Colton Haynes didn't even say he was gay. He only confirmed he did photoshoots for a gay magazine and that he never tried to hide it
>people ITT are literally defending the "IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR" argument
is /tv/ truly fucked?
>>64478964
nice manboob tbhfam
Le cannes face
>>64480918
>something something found out this guy had a secret gay past omg! something something
>Secret?
He's a poof.
>>64480821
There are so many problems with what you typed out that i dont even know where to begin. Ill just say you are talking about automatically discrediting yet you are automatically crediting things to be right merely on the principle that they were here before us. You just posted a pseudo intellectual quote that you think "gets em" but its childish reading and merely wrong. Not to mention commits fallacy.
When will conservatives come up with their own ideas and not rehash old ones?
>>64480929
Nah, all the college kids just got out early since they dont work for a living.
>>64480980
>What I typed out
I pasted something.
>Ill just say you are talking about automatically discrediting yet you are automatically crediting things to be right merely on the principle that they were here before us
Where?
>>64480335
Funny how you can discriminate intelligence when it comes to race and IQ, but when the far more meaningful correlations between stupidity and religiosity show up, you start screaming about fedoras like a tantruming baby.
>>64480980
>yet you are automatically crediting things to be right merely on the principle that they were here before us.
He never claimed this, stop putting words in his mouth shlomo.
>>64480962
Those are called pecs, bro
Damn fine ones
>>64479041
they have been doing this shit since the early 90s
>>64481068
>meaningful correlations between stupidity and religiosity show up
Catholic grammar schools do wonders for education, honestly.
>>64481183
Any worthwhile education garnered in a Catholic school is completely negated by indoctrination into using fundamentally flawed methods of "reasoning." I can tell that someone is religious regardless of what they're talking about, because their foundational understanding of logic is so impaired. Teaching children to be religious is literally child abuse and would be regarded as such in a sane world.
>>64481183
I went to a Catholic school and I'm retarded
>>64481068
>Durr hurr religiun iz dum
Who the fuck cares about religion anyways?
Most of the time, those obsessed over pointing out the intelligence of religion tend to have the intelligence to justify their bullshit modern ideas which have no reference to reality when looked upon with a philosophical lens.
Intelligence is meaningless without the courage to refer your ideas back to a world outside modern society.
>>64481323
This is why people fedora you, because you're fedora as fuck.
>>64481332
Exception that proves the rule.
find out how retarded you are about your beliefs, if at all
http://www.philosophyexperiments.com/god/
>>64479734
I would love to believe once being gay isn't such a negative stigma, it won't be such a topic of concern.
I mean, you still have people being overtly proud of their black skin or who their ancestors were so that shit ain't going away, but hopefully the dramatic effect with it will go away.
School is like, jail and shit, man. If I could, I would ollie all over my teachers and their dumbasses -- with their homework and shit.
It's like, man, it's like they're trying to indoctrinate you, dude, and I'm too smart for that, bro.
>>64481370
>This is why people fedora you, because you're fedora as fuck
Do you think that matters to a person who accurately sees fedora spam as the modern, impotent version of "heretic"? Religious people are psychologically impaired nutcases who have always needed a demonizing buzzword to silence those who see their bullshit for what it is. The only difference now is that you can't nail people up on crosses, so instead you scream like whiny babies on the internet. The fact that religious schizos actually turned [hats] into their main form of argumentation is a great representation of the negative qualities of religiosity and the retards who embrace it. it's almost too ridiculous to be true, and that fits right in with genuine belief in stone tablets carved by universe creators concerned with your masturbation habits. Religious people are fucking idiots. Stay mad.
>>64481501
Sup reddit
>>64481501
lol, I love your video, man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xe6nLVXEC0
>>64481397
>God
>She
>>64481596
>Christians crucify people
Intradesting. Tell me more.
You haven't made an argument to refute. You just went "waah religion is dumb and so are you if you believe it!" with no evidence to support it.
>Stay mad
I don't think I'm the mad one here.
>>64481596
>Religious people are psychologically impaired nutcases
Well hopefully Trump wins the election so we can keep the Muslim ones out at least
>>64478964
I thought he was bi.
>>64481704
>>God
>>She
I laughed at this one, how brave to challenge the social construct of God as He
Made it to the end just fine though
>>64479981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyEHXLPvDAE
>>64479463
The reason 4chan has become conservative is because it isn't a hivemind where sounding nice is they key to getting karma goodies like you enjoy on Reddit.
Conservatism is coming back big time because it makes sense. Anybody with healthy scepticism must be a conservative in light of a contemporary political discourse drenched in conspiracy theories about white power and patriarchy and mindless faith in the power of incompetent petty bureaucrats dignified with the lofty title of 'government'.
>>64480335
Pretty much this.
>>64480821
This is correct. I pity these Current Year memesters. Those who look to the past as a wasteland we are priviledge to have overcome are like those philistines who go abroad and notice nothing but the filth and bad plumbing.
>>64479041
It's literally Marxism. No, seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_historiography
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/12037540/Is-this-a-circle-test-reveals-a-lot-about-your-personality.html
Daily reminder that liberals literally cannot even identify basic shapes properly.
>Xavier Dolan
as a Quebeccer I apologize from the bottom of my heart, at least Villeneuve will redeem us
can't handle that fucking pretentious Oedipus-complex faggot
>>64482195
No, it's just a shorthand way for people to say "our civilization should be past that by now." There's no deeper meaning in nearly all cases.
It's funny how /pol/ nutjobs extrapolate every triviality to be evidence of some grand agenda. Except those relating to their own beliefs, of course.
>>64482360
it's not an argument
that it has become acceptable to present it as such is unacceptable
>>64482360
>our civilization should be past that by now
that's still not an argument on it's own, it needs supporting evidence.
Feelings aren't evidence
>>64482360
Contemporary liberal thought is largely based on the works of Hegel and Marx, friendo. The idea that a society can be past certain behaviors simply by virtue of it existing long enough is historical determinism. In this context it's based on Marxian Histriography. This is true whether or not individual leftists are aware of it (they're usually not.)
Memetics does not require a working knowledge of the origins of an idea on the part of a participant in order to perpetuate that idea. Do some research next time, faggot.
Both the "imaginary golden age it used to be better" argument of reactionaries and "muh progressive enlightenment" argument of liberals are crappy and invalid
Don't pretend conservatives don't use the former all the time
>>64479633
>this entire post
>using the word "ignorant"
>college professors are perfectly legitimate
>anyone who is a right wing is a republican
Tumblr crossposter pls go.
>>64479633
damn /tv/ is filled with liberal scum
>>64482510
>reactionaries
Oh yeah people are totally going to take your post seriously now.
>>64482673
It's just tumblr and /r/SRS from reddit "raiding".
They do this every so often, get triggered, then go away.
>>64479041
being on the right side of history, progres being linear and a one way street with enforced speed
>>64480337
Tell that to Kanjiklub.
>>64482502
>The idea that a society can be past certain behaviors simply by virtue of it existing long enough
This is derived from simple logic, not a "school of thought." Human civilization has progressed over time, both technologically and culturally. That's not to say that everyone's idea of what progress is is correct or morally sound, but you have living examples in the modern world of what human society looks like when it's stuck in the past. See: Every Muslim country, Africa, North Korea, India. Even China, despite being modern in many ways, shows what happens when cultural progress doesn't keep up with technological progress, and the government's concern over pollution is in line with that of an edgy, mentally retarded /pol/ teen kiddie.
>>64482502
>Contemporary liberal thought is largely based on the works of Hegel and Marx,
I was gonna ignore this topic until I saw your shitpost and couldn't just let such a retarded claim go by unchallenged
There is a major difference between classical liberal thought heavily based on Locke and the basis behind the french revolution, and modern liberal thought heavily brought to the forefront by rawls
Hegel and Marx advocated a form of socialism and communism which is economically liberal on the spectrum but is not the basis behind social liberal thought you retard
Stop believing every piece of bullshit /pol/ feeds to you and read a fucking book
>>64482874
>Hegel and Marx advocated a form of socialism and communism which is economically liberal on the spectrum
Those two things are polar opposites.
>>64478964
>sticking your cock into an anus
Fucking hell, it's 2016.
>>64481596
>Religious people are psychologically impaired nutcases who have always needed a demonizing buzzword to silence those who see their bullshit for what it is.
Kind of like liberals with ''racist'', ''nazi'', ''fascist'', etc.
>>64482802
Homosexuality has been almost universally derided for all of history.
Who's on the right side of the future is impossible to say.
>>64482977
Yes, all intelligent people have already come to understand that SJWs and /pol/ are identical.
>>64478964
>Colton Haynes
Literally who?
>>64483002
that's the dumbest thing people say
>>64482932
Oh I see, you literally have an extra chromosome. I apologise for wasting your time.
wikipedia.org/wiki/socialism
>By the 1920s, social democracy and Communism became the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.
>>64482510
Conservative arguments for undesigned traditional practices are based on the paradigm of Darwinian evolutionary theory that liberals pretend to love when it suits them. Liberal progressivism, based on the restructuring of society to achieve conformity to arbitrarily chosen abstract principles, is the political equivalent of young earth creationism.
It's so funny watching liberals argue. They always go for personal attacks.
>>64483109
You're confusing "dumb" with "insightful" because you're a simpleton who analyzes things at the surface level.
Whether it's "Jews, Reddit, SJWs" or "racist, patriarchy, cis male," both groups are the same oversensitive, whiny, pathologically deluded babies who get triggered by certain skin colors or genders appearing on their TV screens. Both groups have an extremely narrow view of how the world SHOULD be, and tend to throw buzzword-laden temper tantrums whenever anything deviates from it.
It's the horseshoe theory exemplified in the most obvious way possible. Both groups are fundamentally identical and want to turn the world into a dystopia free of triggers.
This is the year of reddit:
>>64444444
>>64482861
>See: Every Muslim country, Africa, North Korea, India. Even China
>every civilization progresses to contemporary western morality
>except no one but the west
>>64482874
Lockean liberalism is not the basis for the French revolution. The Second Treatise on government was widely understood to be a counter-revolutionary text until Laslett's research discovered its early authorship 170 years after the French revolution.
>>64483174
>be a literal fucking retard
>continue to post not knowing you have severe brain damage and deserve to be shot in the head
How the fuck is marxism a liberal ideology? It's the most restrictive thing there is.
Learn these two concepts you gigantic faggot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
>>64483268
it's not insightful, it's simplistic, lacks nuance in interpretation and understanding of both camps
recognising that, your poetry and bullshit is wasted
>>64483268
Progressives are the aggressors who manipulate mass media to subvert widely held traditional values. The whinging of the SJW and the whinging of /pol/ are directed towards diametrically opposed ends and /pol/ is acting justly.
>>64483356
What you mean to say is that "/pol/ is different because it's right!" and we both know that. SJWs think they're right, too. The fact is that both of you are trash which, in an ideal society, would be expelled from it. No worthwhile human being watches a movie and afterwards makes a list of all the actors and dialogue which triggered them before going to blog about it on the internet. /pol/ and SJWs do this. They are whiny, pathetic mantoddlers and in all likelihood their parents are to blame.
>>64483451
you've got a very skewed view of /pol/ - maybe instead of creating caricatures of it, you should go there more often
>>64483451
Being angry at normality and being angry at calculated and destructive subversion are not comprable, you spastic.
>>64479981
What a masterful director.
Only a genius could come up with a shot like this.
>>64483427
Many traditional values should be subverted. Traditionalists are pretty much the worst people in the world and the cause of most undue suffering. Your beliefs do not carry weight simply because someone who died 100 years ago had the same beliefs.
>>64483451
>The fact is that both of you are trash which, in an ideal society, would be expelled from it
That's an awfully /pol/ thing to say.
>>64483559
>the people's who beliefs created the foundation of the successful society we live in today were wrong
>>64483451
Oh look, it's the /pol/ and SJWs are the same meme /r/SRS and tumblr keep pushing.
>>64483519
If anything I'm understating it. My honest assessment of /pol/ after browsing it far too many teams is that the only people with an IQ > 50 there are only there to make fun of /pol/. Literally every single thread is an impossibly unintelligent circle jerk where fallacious arguments and lies are not only accepted, but lauded.
>>64483520
You represent /pol/ very well. "Normality" has no inherent value, and both groups perceive the opposing one to be subverting and destructive.
>>64479041
Progressivism is based on the absurd idea that human history exists on a straight line where each new year brings further "progress" and ideas which are better than those of the past.
>>64483674
>literally everything I don't like is part of a conspiracy
mental illness
>>64483796
Traditionalism is equally absurd. You're so hilariously retarded if you don't see that. It's the same fucking thing, just in the opposite direction.
>>64483322
His ideology was one of the strongest grounds behind the thought that lead to the American Revolution. He actively advocated citizens' rights to revolt. It's pretty much impossible to misread that.
Considering the French revolution was heavily inspired by similar ideas to the american revolution, most people credit Locke-ian thought as being highly influential there too
>>64483347
what the fuck are you talking about? did you misquote me or something?
For the record, marxism is extreme left-wing, which mainly refers to economic liberalism. I assume you're not the person I was talking to before, but like him read a fucking book and learn what the terms you use mean
Also, see my first post>>64482874
there are two types of liberalism in political thought dipshit
>>64483835
>conspiracy
kek, you admit it and everyone here knows it, it's out in the open
>>64483002
>SJWs and /pol/ are identical.
Nope.
>>64483860
>if something is wrong, its polar opposite must be wrong too
Great logical principles you're working from there, bud.
>>64483860
Conservatism =/= Traditionalism.
Progressivism= Different is always better!
Traditionalism= Old shit is always better!
Conservatism= (ideally) carefully considering consequences before jumping headlong into new shit, and moving towards older traditions when necessary.
>>64483927
Smart people just realized that if you remove a few key nouns from stormfront/SJW rants, you can't tell which group made them. Anyone who "disagrees" with the fact that /pol/ and SJWs are the same is too stupid to understand how to actually gauge meaningful similarities between people.
What would America be like if it was Catholic from the beginning?
>>64483876
I strongly recommend reading Michael Sonenscher's book Before the Deluge. Locke was not a major influence on the French revolution. I'd also strongly recommend you reconsider your conflation of the American revolution - which was a conservative revolt against the innovations of George III to reclaim rights secured by a British tradition of common law - and the French revolution which was a wholesale overturning of long established order.
This is why Burke had such different views of the two events.
>>64479150
>You're not some sort of Islamophobic refugee-hating Neo-Nazi are you?
Well I'm not a neo nazi.
>>64484112
yes and the people who talk about that use it to make fun of SJWs primarily.
>>64479041
Because you can't have an opinion anymore; leftism has replaced religion as absolute morality.
WHAT YEAR IS IT?
HELP
>>64484091
That wasn't what was said, but I'm happy your brain serves as a filter, transforming all information into something that affirms your agenda.
>Older is better because I said so
>New is better because I said so
Both beliefs are ridiculous and completely ignore the actual value of a thing. Traditionalism might be slightly more retarded just because the notion that illiterates who lived 2,000 years old had it all figured out is just mind-blowing in how outrageous it is. At least progressivism sort of relies on the idea that more time = more education and information = more informed decisions and beliefs, which at least makes logical sense on paper.
>>64483322
Voltaire idolized locke and it would be ridiculous to say that voltaire had no influence on the french rev.
Locke's ideas were just one among many that created "modern progressive values" we identify with the enlightenment and the french rev.
>>64484364
You've got it exactly the wrong way around you moron. Traditionalists support tradition, ie practices and institutions that have survived and developed over *more time*. Progressives believe in creating institutions and customs from their pea-sized brains.
You are totally illiterate in political philosophy. Kill yourself.
>>64484364
Archeofuturism master race.
Best of both sides.
>>64484572
By that logic the French revolution was triggered by the Bible because Locke was a Christian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk2aSBrR6U
Do people, especially political figures, really think through the implications of saying "It's the current year" to justify stuff?
Imagine if we were reading through history now and saw shit like:
>John Adams, on being questioned on why it was a necessity to break away from the British crown, retorted that "COME ON BRO, IT'S 1776, GET WITH THE PROGRAM"
They're just going to look like retards in 50 years' time
>>64484616
Locke stood for certain tenets such as tolerance and thinking for oneself that voltaire preached and were adopted by revolutionaries under the label of philosophy.
>>64484353
TWO THOUSAND NIGGERTEEN
>>64484689
>Hitler, when asked by The Berlin Express exactly why it was necessary to send Jews to concentration camps reportedly replied "Because it's 1938, that's why"
>>64482360
>our civilization should be past that by now
Hitler basically said "our civlization should be past jews by now, jesus christ, it's like already 1938"
>>64484575
Why are traditionalists all but dead in every educated circle? Why do I have to scrounge around trailer parks in the midwest to find a significant concentration of traditionalists? The average school child today knows more about the world than the most highly educated intellectuals a century ago. A tradition surviving through history is typically meaningless as a judgment of its value or validity, even if you ignore the fact that many of them were simply forced into the public consciousness through violence, like all mainstream religions were.
>that have survived and developed over *more time*
No, you are demonizing development, not encouraging it. When something develops in a way that violates your delusional, outdated traditions, you call it [buzzword] and refer to its backers as being pea-brained, even though you're just an idiot with an insidious agenda.
>>64478964
2015 CONFIRMED ETERNAL
ISHIGGYDIGGY 2015 *BRITISH TEETHS EXTERNALLY*
>>64482861
>Human civilization has progressed over time, both technologically and culturally.
Yes.
A core principle was that women were given no rights and gays were shunned.
That was the progress we made from the caveman times.
It's cold, hard logic.
Now liberals on the other hand argue irrationally and regressive in their ways.
Before there was civilization there used to be rampant homosexuality and polysexual women.
Beating women back into the caves and killing all fags made civilization strong.
>>64484859
And Hitler was a pathological liar, a power-hungry pyschopath, an egomaniac, a manipulator, and ultimately genocided a bunch of farmers for being part of a hivemind conspiracy. What's your point? I wasn't defending the statement, I was just clarifying what people mean when they say it.
>>64484990
hello reddit
>>64484988
this
women voting is the undoing of the developed world
>>64482861
The fuck is cultural progress? Do you mean moral progress? Do you mean morality is objective?
>>64484990
>And Hitler was a pathological liar, a power-hungry pyschopath, an egomaniac, a manipulator,
Jesus christ, it's 2016, could you PLEASE NOT, ugh, talk about people you never met?
It's not like you ever had a tea with him, that's like SO e-bullying.
>>64484988
Civilization today is stronger than it has ever been by all objective measures. The problem with people like you is that "stronger" is defined according to your own, deluded value system rather than things like life expectancy, opportunity, standard of living, and peace. Giving gays and women rights definitely seems like a bad thing in the eyes of an authoritarian sheep who doesn't believe in individualism (because he's a loser with no individual accomplishments or worth in nearly every case), but fortunately we've moved past caring about what meathead droolers believe in the west. What's funny as fuck is that we still have countries where women and gays are oppressed and they're literal fucking dystopias. There's objective proof in the world that your ideology leads to poor outcomes and poor quality of life and you still deny it. Amazing.
>>64479463
I wish I could save this post and show it to you when you graduate school to show you what a retard you were
>not sitting on the fence in every way
>being unbalanced one way or the other
>>64485172
the key difference is race
>>64484990
If I asked a random german citizien about why jews have to be removed they would answer:
>because jews are pathological liars, power hungry psychopaths, egomaniacs and manipulators, they killed jesus, genocided the egyptians AND babylonians and countless other and they sacrifice goyim children to their blood moons, it's like 1937, duh everyone knows this shit, get with the times you pro-semite
I can even explain why. Because people like you are extremely lazy. They just don't fucking like thinking and can barely function as a human. They repeat whatever they think is the most popular point of view, but they can never form a coherent thought on their own.
That's why binary politics are doing so well these days.
>>64485172
>Civilization today is stronger than it has ever been by all objective measures
And by that you mean subjective.
>>64485172
>Civilization today is stronger than it has ever been by all objective measures.
Civilization is on the collapse and I'm loving every second of it.
New Years eve in germany had a rape gang of 1000 muslims systematically rape german women they found on the streets.
This is exactly the law of the jungle you liberal lunatics will cause globally with your pussyfoot bullshit politics.
>quoting wikipedia
>>64485265
Describing Jews as such is an inherently absurd claim though. People who are uneducated and stupid don't understand that attributing characteristics like that to broad groups of people is the equivalent of babbling about purple unicorns that breathe fire. If you want to make an outrageous claim like that, outrageous proof is required. And no, circumstantial, biased evidence where you conveniently interpret history to your own liking is not proof of anything apart from your own brainwashing.
On the other hand, describing a single individual as a pathological liar, power hungry psychopath, egomaniac, or manipulator is not inherently ridiculous, because those terms can actually be appropriate when applied to a single individual.
>>64485419
Who are you quoting?
>>64485172
>by all objective measures
Just stop reddit
>>64485172
>an authoritarian sheep who doesn't believe in individualism (because he's a loser with no individual accomplishments or worth in nearly every case), but fortunately we've moved past caring about what meathead droolers believe in the west.
Wew lad, dial back that ego.
>>64485419
>>Being a faggot teacher who won't accept wikipedia as a source because it can be edited.
>>64485465
I'm not quoting anyone. Doesn't change the argument.
>>64485172
>Civilization today is stronger than it has ever been by all objective measures
>>64485494
F-
enjoy summer school kid
>>64485428
>People who are uneducated and stupid don't understand that attributing characteristics like that to broad groups of people is the equivalent of babbling about purple unicorns that breathe fire.
you're just embarrassing yourself with this reddit shit, we all get your point but we stopped believing it when we graduated college and moved into the real world
>>64485172
>fortunately we've moved past caring about what meathead droolers believe in the west
So you're just as authoritarian as /pol/ when it's your ideology being pushed.
>Civilization today is stronger than it has ever been by all objective measures.
>>64485172
What new rights have been given to women in the past 3 decades?
>>64485428
Are you in high school?
>>64485560
I'm 27. Most shit has citations that lead to actual sources anyway. Always bullshit that you couldn't use it as a source itself.
>>64485750
Your 27 and refer to professors as "teachers"...
Wow. I can see why you use wikipedia as a source.
>>64485718
>>64485562
These posts sum up why /pol/ drones are literally too stupid to be allowed to exist. If you find yourself having pride in your objectively false, logically contradictory beliefs, it's time to kill yourself. You bring less to the table than a handful of dirt.
>>64485827
>You bring less to the table than a handful of dirt.
Pot
Kettle
>>64485428
>such is an inherently absurd claim though. People who are uneducated and stupid don't understand that attributing characteristics like that to broad groups of people is the equivalent of babbling about purple unicorns
Either this is bait or you are completely incapable of applying your own logic to yourself.
>>64485652
>>64485551
>When your only argument relies on cringeworthy attributions of value to primitive Christian beliefs, just repeat what was said with a reaction face next to it
Civilization is stronger now. The parts of civilization that are the weakest are the most conservative and the most traditional. Fat retarded losers.
>>64485901
Awesome sources as always liberal.
>>64485796
It's "you're" retard. Enjoy spending hours in "your" library looking through shitty books instead of spending 5 minutes on wiki getting the same information.
>>64478964
I wish people understood that politics is a very fluid thing
The problems of today aren't necessarily the problems of tomorrow
I used to call myself a democrat and I literally cringe when I see this CURRENT YEAR stuff
All the liberal boogymen are gone. Redneck jesus freaks are a tiny minority now, they have no political power anymore.
Liberals have become the raving lunatics fighting for issues that are outdated by decades
>>64479633
>i live in a conservative state
>therefore i hate conservatives
good for you m8
i live in a highly liberal left wing country in Europe, and i hate leftists because of it.
Perhaps we're both just edgy faggots in our own contexts
>>64485986
>taking the bait
Enjoy being laughed at by anyone with a real education.
>using wikipedia as a source
top kek
>>64479041
Whiggism is stupid, but no less valid than "muh tradition"
Generally, conservatives see the past as something good and wish to preserve it.
Progressives see the past as something bad and wish to escape it.
All politics is based on the perception of history.
>>64482673
they aren't native
since star wars came out all manner of braindead tumblr/reddit/facebook plebs have come wandering in and posting regurgitated inane leftist bullshit they read on some blog
>>64485901
>Civilization is stronger now.
Not by the definition of civilization.
We are already experiencing the first nations to crumble under their progressive ideals, like germany who had muslim rape gangs roam the streets at new years eve and rape and rob every german woman they found.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=1
Civilization is man conquering nature by overcomming his primal urges.
It's taming a river to spin a wheel.
Liberals are undoing what amounts to 10.000s of years of baby steps towards a bright future because they just "feel" like it's the right thing to do (because if has been endlessly suggested to them via the media they consume and their equally brainwashed peers).
It's 2016 after all
>>64481178
Not at all.
It goes back to the early 18th century, at least
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history#The_Whig_historians_within_a_tradition
>>64483002
/pol/ is a motley bunch of memeposting autists on 4chan, whilst SJWs hold high positions in many governments, have multiple massive websites and networks (gawker, tumblr etc) and have literal legions of attack drones and power in most journalistic publications in the west now.
But sure, theyre just the same, because some /pol/tar posted a picture of a funny jew on /tv/. thats identical to the sjw infiltration of the entirety of western academia and media, kek
It's just an updated version of "It's the 90s!"
Don't know why similar phrases had died down until now. Probably because "The Zeroes" or "Two thousand whatever" weren't catchy enough.
>Read Chesterton
>notice that he's poking fun at a lot of "modern" ideas that Progressives champion
>realize that he wrote that one-hundred and thirten years ago
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. [..] Thus we have two great types — the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins." - 1924
"We have passed the age of the demagogue, the man who has little to say and says it loud. We have come to the age of the mystagogue or don, the man who has nothing to say, but says it softly and impressively in an indistinct whisper." - 1909
"For my friend said that he opened his intellect as the sun opens the fans of a palm tree, opening for opening's sake, opening infinitely for ever. But I said that I opened my intellect as I opened my mouth, in order to shut it again on something solid." - 1909
"Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously." -1910s
"There are two ways of dealing with nonsense in this world. One way is to put nonsense in the right place; as when people put nonsense into nursery rhymes. The other is to put nonsense in the wrong place; as when they put it into educational addresses, psychological criticisms, and complaints against nursery rhymes or other normal amusements of mankind." - 1921
"These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." - 1928
"The modern world seems to have no notion of preserving different things side by side, of allowing its proper and proportionate place to each, of saving the whole varied heritage of culture. It has no notion except that of simplifying something by destroying nearly everything." - 1931
>>64479041
Conservatives want to take us back to the 20s where everybody's a materialistic sociopathic prick
Liberals want to take us to 6969 where everybody's a dyke tranny that eats a dick
Moderates are dead now
>>64486117
>http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=1
these were false reports by german zionist islamaphobes. literally nothing to see here.
>>64486173
They're the same in terms of their character, value, and underlying logic you fucking moron. How much power each group has is another matter entirely. /pol/ types don't have power because they literally can't in a western society. /pol/ having power = North Korea.
>>64486222
>"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. [..] Thus we have two great types — the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins." -
Holy shit.
>>64485827
I'm gonna take a chance and respond seriously to this bait
Your problem is that you don't understand our beliefs, and you make no effort
We completely understand why you believe what you believe, we all probably used to think like you. We just evolved our thinking
We've heard all your arguments before a thousand times, we know your arguments better than you do
So when you post the shit you're posting about your superior IQ and all that, you really are just embarrassing yourself
You're a parody of a serious philosophy
>>64486173
The problem is that you're defining "SJWs" incredibly broadly, but limit /pol/ to be legitimate Neo-Nazis.
Aren't Trump and his supporters /pol/ as fuck, minus the Jew-hating?
>>64486252
>Conservatives want to take us back to the 20s where everybody's a materialistic sociopathic prick
Depends on where you were living in the 20s.
Germany just got over a full scale civil war, started by the jews, at that point and went into it's most "progressive" phase, full of dykes, lesbians and trannies, when the jews tried to subvert them.
Then the pendulum swung back and hitler got rid of the jews.
>>64479041
dialectical materialism
>>64486222
>tfw you realize the 1910's and the 2010's are the same
>>64479041
>>64486291
I'm pretty sure you couldn't even entertain a thought that /pol/ has brought up without getting massive cognitive dissonance, while /pol/ could basically not only perfectly imitate your entire shit ideology but also perfectly explain why you are so brainwashed.
>>64485402
You can hate illegal muslims without being some entitled SS fag
why is the western world filled with people who are liberal fascists?
>>64486320
Understanding the beliefs of a person is totally unnecessary for purposes of judging them if you've seen what they consider to be sound reasoning and logic, though I do understand your beliefs insofar as a person understands a sheep. For example, if a person demonstrates that they don't understand how to add two numbers, looking over their Calculus homework is a redundant exercise. Sound beliefs are built on a foundation of sound logical thinking, and /pol/ is the most illogical group of inbred morons I've ever personally witnessed, including creationists. Visiting /pol/ is visiting the inner circle of hell when it comes to human intelligence. Every single person on /pol/ is a subhuman in comparison to a person of even average intellect.
>>64486291
>pol / north korea
holy shit, you are completely out of your depth
>>64481596
Religious nutcases BTFO
>>64486497
2015 NEVER ENDS.
>>64486387
I wish.
>>64486520
Equivalent in terms of quality of life. The prioritization of tradition and strict control over individual freedoms, the enforcement of isolation from globalization, the enforcement of respect for an authority figure regardless of their actual merits as an authority figure, the vilification of "political crimes" that harm no one but are argued to harm vague concepts like "the country" or "the race"... that is what North Korea is all about. When you mix all that hellish bullshit together, you get NK.
>>64486480
But it's 2016, anon. You don't judge an entire group of people, because of their race, gender or criminal record.
>>64486497
>Understanding the beliefs of a person is totally unnecessary for purposes of judging them if you've seen what they consider to be sound reasoning and logic
>>64486497
/pol/ was pretty rational during the Zimmerman trial and back when they knew what actual white guilt was and their rational solutions againist illegal immigration and gangs.
Now they're just a bunch of bowlcut edgy whiny fags that blame they're lives on the jew boogyman while willing to start a race war over star wars or some autistic shit.
>>64486497
this sounds exactly like something I would say when I was literally 17
The irony is amazing
>>64486291
>/pol/ having power = North Korea.
North korea is literally the endgame that ""liberals"" have in mind for the western world.
Just with a bunch of rich, fatcat internationalists sitting in the palaces, fucking children, instead of some chubby gook.
>>64485172
this is what irks me the most, who are libs to tell people what they should and shouldn't do, i mean in the context of freedom, everyone is judging muslims for beating their women and beheading their people or whatever, but it's their customs, who are you to have a saying in changing their traditions? and even if you had a say in it, if you acted you'd act on behalf of christianity (even if you were an atheist that hated religion) because muslims get what a lot of people in the west forgot, either us or them win, the peace has always been fragile for the last thousand years and more
>>64486387
>tfw traditionalists like pic related argued that history is cyclical and that the west is entering it's civilization's end-period nearly a hundred years ago
>tfw Greek and Persian philosophers considerd history cyclical 2000 years ago and Vishnu Hinduists held it in their creation mythology 1700 years ago
>>64486648
/pol/ is still rational, you're just not growing up as fast as they do.
>>64479041
Why do conservatives think illogical arguments are a trait liberals have a monopoly on?Oh wait, they don't, you're just a special kind of retard who is eager for another chance to paint people you disagree with as idiots.
>>64482802
How do they explain when something illegal becomes legal and then many years later becomes illegal again? Like beastiality in Sweden.
There's nothing worse than these retard hellholes where everything is based on dichotomies, I too love arguing about the end of civilization on an anime imageboard.
>>64486743
You only think it's rational because you heavily agree with it.
Dykes think SJWs are rational, Conservatives think republicans are rational, liberals thinks democrats are rational, etc
You act like bias doesn't exist
>>64486222
>"Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously." -1910s
What did he mean by this?
>>64486743
You can say basically anything negative about Jews on /pol/ and the majority of the user base will accept it as fact with no questions asked. Maybe 400 posts into the thread you'll get a person who interjects with some logic before being spewed with a torrent of buzzwords like reddit, JIDF, and Jew. The defining characteristic of a /pol/ poster is having a significant amount of hard drive space dedicated to literal neo-nazi propaganda. That's not the fundamental problem with /pol/, but it's a symptom of their disease, which is being irrational, bitter, whiny, stupid, impressionable babies.
If you think that's what growing up means or what rationality means, then you certainly are from /pol/. /pol/ is objectively near to being the dumbest group of shitheads on the planet. Their beliefs are entirely dictated by feelings.
>>64486794
>this lack of self-awareness
i hope you get beat up in high school
>>64486977
Smart people can be very wrong, and you can only know they're wrong if you're also smart
>>64486988
I'm starting to think you're an actual jew who just can't handle the bantz
Did we hit a little to close to home Shlomo?
Dolan is simply the Hipster King, I am sorry Quebec produced such a huge faggot who makes the worst garbage.
>>64486977
>What did he mean by this?
More or less the old adage that familiarity breeds contempt.
I.e. no one whose actually been in a college environment for 3+ years will give all that much credence to someone college-educated merely because they're college-educated.
>>64487120
you just proved his point
>>64486977
If you spend a lot of time around "educated" people you realize they're a lot more full of shit than popular belief let you in on.
http://www.theonion.com/article/report-stating-current-year-still-leading-argument-35288
>>64486948
>conservatives think republicans are rational
no
>>64487013
i hope you got raped by your gym coach
>>64487153
he's about to prove my point
>>64487153
>referring to yourself in third person
them heeb schizoid tendencies kicking in
>>64479633
You do realize that it is a verifiable fact that professors are majority left leaning, right you stupid fucking faggot? Are you really so dense that you think their personal biases do not bleed into their lectures and grading?
Unless this is bait. If so, 10/10
>>64487200
anon you can't know if he is a jew, the fact that you mention jews proves him right
>>64487222
look at the poster count retard
>>64486988
This
Let's say you one of the many jews that aren't making millions of dollars a day in the secret jew club and after dealing with your miserable jew wageslave life you come home and go on the internet to fat neets who were blessed with pretty pretty happy go lucky blue eyes bitching about your entire race and how you should be sent to meat grinders, etc and so you make one comment going "There's nothing wrong with being jewish" only to get a 1000 reaction faces and goy memes.
>>64487277
that's not how it is on /pol/, you're just too sensitive
>>64479184
many lulz were had.
>>64479463
>HURRR WANTING PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY ELABORATE ON TALKING POINTS INSTEAD OF PARROTING "IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR" MEANS YOU'RE A KLAN MEMBER I'M SO LE ENLIGHTENED I'M GONNA GO POST THIS SCREENCAP ON REDDIT FOR MAXIMUM UPBOATS
Gas yourself faggot
