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Happily ever after Edition
Previously:>>64089491
Just finished being Murrican and watching The Husbands of River Song
well fuck that was sad and funny at the same time
how was that then
what have we checked off the bingo thing
the alterations to the title sequence were well placed, definitely an improvement on Last Christmas
music was based as always thanks to Marigold
the new screwdriver barely showed up at all which is disappointing - good to see the sunglasses are still here
we're not getting Series 10 next year are we
So lads, is the frozen Tardis GOAT or what?
>>64098840
Nothing's been written yet
>Happily Edition
Fixed.
>>64098706
I never got the LITTLE WHITE meme, 100% British and own a 7 incher, more than enough for local slags.
Did not like how Moffat retconned Last Night and made River's final years with 12 instead of 11. 11 was her doctor.
>>64098872
Moffat said Jamie already came in with a great idea and that he has two new writers writing for the show that will "make your brain explode" if he told you. Stuff is happening. Were just not getting it next year most likely. I think they want to get it on earlier like the episode today was.
>>64098921
they mentioned Last Night near the end don't you remember River mentioned the two Doctors
Matt pls go
>>64098921
>matt on suicide watch
>>64098921
Before watching I would have maybe agreed, but 12 is a more mature and melancholy Doctor and I think it kind of fits. Same man anyway, unlike 10 it's still a Doctor who knows her properly.
>>64098785
isn't river death? what? she died like a million years ago.
how can they be forever happy when forever and time doesn't exist to them, why does river still shows up, i need a tv to watch doctor, last time i watch him was the 2013 event.
>>64098962
>not understanding that both doctors were 11
>>64098866
Amy and Rory need to be there as well or I'd probably die.
>>64098840
I just finished it, I really liked it. I mean the trailer looked like it would be an abomination but it really was very enjoyable.
>good to see the sunglasses are still here
Agreed. I think the only reason they were used in this episode was for the convenience of not blowing the Doctor's cover too early because the screwdriver would kind of give it away. I hope they can find a reason to keep using them next series though.
>>64099013
>>64099013
They don't actually live happily "ever after", in fact the episode makes a point of stressing that they don't have forever.
River has shown up again because she and the Doctor always meet out of order, but this time Moffat tried to provide some closure on the whole thing.
on a scale of The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe to A Christmas Carol, how do we rank this
also it was nice to see they didn't waste Matt Lucas although they literally wasted Greg Davies' head
>>64099019
I don't think you understand what that anon was saying. In Last Night there were two 11's, in this episode River mentions that encounter and saying he canceled at the last minute. Last Night wasn't retconned.
>>64099092
it was pretty good
>>64098785
>unironically watching le wacky british man show
>>>/tumblr/
>>64099117
>Last Night wasn't retconned.
Well, it wasn't retconned AWAY. But adding a footnote on the end of "btw he cancelled" is still retroactive continuity.
Please tell my why Amy cant be back..... Please... She was the BEST and hottest companion BAR NONE. Ugly ass Chimp looking bitch Rose aint shit, and the new bitch has ruined it for me, can't even watch the new ones. I can't take it anymore. Steven you've ruined it u fgt.
>>64099175
2wacky
>>64099031
>Rory looking exasperated despite not even being the focus of the scene
Arthur Darvill is quite a good actor y'know, lads.
>>64099092
I was about to get pissed off when it looked like they were going to kill off Matt Lucas 10 minutes in, but turning him into the head was a fun move. I don't know if I'd say it was a thoroughly used guest star appearance but it wasn't a Bill Bailey level washout.
>>64099092
>ACC
>HoRS
>TotD
>LC
>The rest are all pretty unmemorable enough to rank in any order
Then way below everything else
>TDtWatW
>>64099200
I could give a shit less about the man who waited 2k years for Amy, I'd wait 4 billion. And seriously, who casted the albino chimp to be 10s companion srs
>>64099187
>hottest
>literally just a spooky skeleton with paper mache skin, no tits or arse and white Muslim hair
OFFICIAL CHRISTMAS SPECIAL RANKINGS
God Tier
A Christmas Carol
Good Tier
Husbands Of River Song
Last Christmas
Okay Tier
Time Of The Doctor
Christmas Invasion
Bad Tier
The Runaway Bride
Voyage Of The Damned
The Next Doctor
End Of Time
The Snowmen
The Doctor The Widow And The Wardrobe
>>64099187
>being this priapic
>>64099242
>A Christmas Carol
>unmemorable
>>64099200
Why would he stop acting at any point while directly in front of the camera
>>64099295
No u
>>64099248
Look into your heart, you know it to be true.
>>64099233
plus it makes another complete comedy duo who appeared on the show what with David Walliams in S6
>>64099143
I'm not arguing that, I just felt like I needed to chime in and add some context for one anon who didn't quite understand another anon's post.
>>64099313
>ACC
>being this retarded
>>64099313
uhm
>>64099315
Ask Matt Smith.
>>64099313
Read it again, it's literally the first one on my list.
>>64099247
4 billion years worth of saved up semen, ready to be pumped into Amy.
>>64099318
You need a mature with meat on her that you can pound for hours, not these snap in half ones, lad.
>>64099367
kek
We share our fandom with such plebs:
https://twitter.com/WeSoNerdy/status/680588431462907905
>>64099351
>>64099364
>>64099367
I read it wrong my bad anons
>>64099422
Absolute Bar pick-up tier
>>64099367
kek
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>>64099461
> Moffat always shoves this "epic" romance down our throats
>He has a Rose/RTD love story inferiority complex
>Being this retarded
![1451100421552.gif_snapshot_00.00_[2015.12.26_14.12.01].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ubj30c2.jpg "1451100421552 snapshot 00.00 [2015.12.26 14.12.01]")
>>64099031
>>64099200
tfw ur gonna be getting a tinge of the ginge this christmas
>>64099461
I mean, are they even watching the same show?
https://twitter.com/JokerXtreme78/status/680588401825976320
>>64099466
Hello friendly neighborhoods anon
>>64099644
Well I did apologize.
>>64099466
We've all done it, especially when abbreviations are used. Simple mistakes shouldn't be made into a big deal, especially when it's an obvious mistake.
shit we were so close
>>64099801
Was river used well? I liked how moff immensely downlplayed the significance of them being married
YFW SONIC SUNGLASSES ARE STAYING AROUND
>>64099801
river was used well though
>>64099801
>embarrassingly bad CGI
What the FUCK?! That head ripping scene was GOAT, the head tennis wasn't too abysmal either.
>>64098785
I haven't watched Doctor Who the legitimate way in ages. Does BBC America still edit pieces of the episode out for commercials even though they are in complete control of how the episode is presented?
>>64099801
Didn't the trowel technically save them once?
>>64099906
GOOOOOOOOOAT
>>64099906
The only good thing from series 9.
>>64099945
Does letting them run away count as saving the day?
>>64099915
The episode was full of shitty special effects up to and including when the doctor drops the head in the tardis and it doesn't react or bounce in any way when hitting the ground and a digital skewing of footage of the deadlocked sealed doors
>>64099980
>implying guitar was bad
pleb
>>64099801
There was an implied kiss between capaldi and river at the end, they just cut to 'happily ever after' before it happened
does that count?
>>64098840
Not until he eats dinner for 24 years
>>64100010
Alright fair enough
>>64099801
I think River was used well, her scene talking about the Doctor was so great it was the first time I actually felt like there was a real connection with them instead of just a forced love interest like she had been with 11.
Also I kind of hoped they had some kind of flashback to the Library, instead we just have River explain it. Also, she now knows it was the last thing they will do apparently, which is the one thing I thought was handled poorly in this episode. She got that epiphany at the end of the Library episodes, her just realizing it at the very end despite their conversation on that date doesn't make much sense.
>>64099980
What about his hobo costume variants and velvet?
>>64100106
Also her saying 'use the red setting' in Library is a bit odd considering he's never used it in front of her before
>>64099980
heaven sent was the best episode of nuwho though
>>64099801
I would cross off "trowel used well" and "kiss" myself.
Just do it, it's Christmas for Christ's sake.
>>64100151
Trowel used well isn't what that square says
That was pretty comfy desu, when is Series 10 airing?
>>64100174
nobody knows
>A kiss between River and Capaldi
implied at the end, does that count?
>Sonic trowel saves the day
it got them out of a pinch, does that count?
4 different almost bingos, holy shit
>>64100130
>hobo costume variants
Do not get me started on that bullshit. He looked awful all season up until the velvet.
>>64099930
I don't think they cut anything on first airings, but reruns are often edited for time yes. It still sucks.
Three words, Shona
Is Dave forgiven?
>>64099187
>Please tell my why Amy cant be back.....
Because she's fucking dead.
>>64099318
That hair alone is giving me a boner though. Dammit Gillan.
>>64100242
literal pleb taste
>>64100242
fuk u
>>64100280
Too bad she's bald now
>>64100294
>>64100308
Get your hipster trash taste out of my face and back on tumblr faggots.
>>64100352
wut
>>64099915
Look at this shit
this actually aired
what the fuck were they thinking
Why didn't they just angle the camera differently when they filmed the shot
![doctor_who_2005.2015_christmas_special.the_husbands_of_river_song.720p_hdtv_x264-fov.mkv_snapshot_40.17_[2015.12.26_04.13.03].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1IW6gKH.jpg "doctor who 2005.2015 christmas special.the husbands of river song.720p hdtv x264-fov.mkv snapshot 40.17 [2015.12.26 04.13.03]")
What was the comfiest bit of the whole thing?
I think it was when the Doctor revealed himself with just that warm look that no-one will ever look at you with.
>>64100352
but tumblr are the ones who dislike the whoodie
>>64099187
She was a total cunt to perfect Rory and actively tried cheating on him in series 5, up until Rroy thought he was getting cucked through 6 until they had a "I only love you!: moment, which wouldnt have been necessary if she wasnt a cunt. Clara in a ginger skin.
That being said would def bang
>>64100377
>Crying over a production error
>>64100387
>What was the comfiest bit of the whole thing?
When The Doctor did that genuine smile after River revealed herself at the start.
>>64100242
While I disagree I can understand it. I know some people that don't like the lack of consistent style. Pertwee had a good number of variants but they all had a common them, Capaldi 's variants switch between very rugged and fancy or formal.
>I've never asked you to jimmy up with hologramatic antlers!
what did he mean by this?
>>64100377
Am I blind or is there literally nothing wrong here? What am I meant to be angry at?
L A D
"Between the marriages, I shagged my way round television studios like a mechanical digger. Sue and I got together at the Edinburgh TV Festival and she likes to tell the story of how I was en route to another date the night we met. Conveniently she's blanked from her memory the fact that she did the same. She was just as dreadful as me."
>>64100447
>to cheer me up
>>64100377
I thought it looked a bit funny but not enough to dwell on it. A bit comic-book, not massively out of line with the tone
So general consensus is COMFY?
I guess that's the best we can expect from an x-mas episode.
>>64100427
That's not a production error, it's embarrassingly bad CGI
>>64100455
The shot that zooms in on the doors digitally skews making the round door handles look completely flat, it's absolute amateur hour work
The least they could have done was projection map it on a cube with two spheres, it would have taken 5 minutes
>>64100510
My definition of comfy is a little more precise, a little too much running around and too many different locations for that
It was definitely a fun romp though
>>64100529
>Crying over a split second scene
That's barely noticeable
>>64100468
I believe it too. Women love that brillo pad hair. Just ask Norman Osborn.
>River has a wine compartment in a roundel that hasn't existed in the tardis console room until series 9 with capaldi
>but she's never met capaldi
>>64100648
>I spend Christmas day over analysing Doctor who
>>64100648
>getting mad at comfy
the tardis looked really good this episode
this isn't how physics works
>>64100731
It was COMFY and /who/ LIKES it
We are a hive mind get fucking used to it
>recommendation: chill
lol what a funny robot!
>>64099141
>unironically using the same bait for 2 months straight
>>>/trash/
I can't remember, has river been presented as bisexual before this episode where she said she's had at least two wives?
>>64100800
how will the trigger be pulled?
>>64100648
She probably put it in some hole in 11's TARDIS and the TARDIS just shuffled it around to that exact same spatial location
>>64100804
They did the same shit with Clara. Moffat really digs bisexuality for one reason or another.
>>64100648
River said she's stolen the tardis and popped it back in the right place before
maybe she's done that with capaldi without knowing it was him
>>64100898
>>64100804
Blame Tumblr
>>64100863
>put it in some hole in 11's TARDIS
oh my
>>64100804
I think Moffat confirmed it on Twitter absolute yonks ago. But this is the first time it's been said on screen
Fuck why are there no torrents
>>64101128
Look harder, it's called '2015 christmas special' and not an episode code attached with S9
I got a 720 version from TPB
>>64101128
It's on BBC America again in like 10 minutes if you're in the states.
>>64101214
Shit I'm dumb. Thanks, man!
>>64101260
Thanks, but I'm not in the states. If I were I'd buy the season off Amazon :(
>>64100316
Shaved again for GOTG2?
It's okay, she's still a total cutie.
>>64101303
iPlayer + hola is your friend
>>64100804
I took it to mean she has previously been a man.
>>64101433
I believe we've seen all of rivers regenerations
unless there was a male regeneration between the little girl in america and mels where she was married
>>64101386
>Wearing Ginger shirt.
>Bald, no ginger hair showing
River's a confirmed slut.
Also this episode couldn't go 5 minutes before River mentioned being a lesbian. Thanks BBC.
Guys, leaving Doctor Who has really hit Jenna hard.
Pic related is from only a week ago. How do we save her?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVaalKOnrzk
>maisie didn't know about the term whovians
>>64101460
Jesus christ do you remember the shitstorm when the little girl regenerated?
>>64101598
Holy shit lost
>>64101673
>Implying that its not a good thing
>>64101598
gr8 b8 m8
>>64101750
I'm merely stating a fact, any implications are your own
>>64100010
>black people in medieval Europe
Subtle
I hate River but this was a pretty comfy episode, and it gives me much satisfaction that right after this she gets stuck in a library where her boyfriend doesn't remember her. Then she dies and gets uploaded into a computer with four random expendable peons she didn't care about
Has anyone mentioned that the robot body is Baymax yet?
>>64099543
There once was a man named Ken
Who was loved by both women and men
Then Moffat wrote more
Subverting the lore
Killing him using his pen
>>64101913
wat
>>64098785
>says the Doctor doesn't love her
>he fucking told her his real name
Wot?
>>64101848
The brown people are perhaps more hilarious from a historical perspective.
At least RTD for all his faults was willing to confront the issue of "how will Martha be treated as a black woman in the 1600s" in that Shakespeare episode rather than just putting them for brownie points.
Cause I'm sure that's what minorities expect to see in Medieval Europe when they watch Doctor Who. People who aren't white.
>>64101978
>was willing to confront the issue of "how will Martha be treated as a black woman in the 1600s" in that Shakespeare episode
But he didn't...
>>64101978
>>64101996
If by address you mean make one line about how someone thinks she's a servant girl then I guess.
>>64101996
>MARTHA: Oh, but hold on. Am I all right? I'm not going to get carted off as a slave, am I?
>DOCTOR: Why would they do that?
>MARTHA: Not exactly white, in case you haven't noticed.
>DOCTOR: I'm not even human. Just walk about like you own the place. Works for me. Besides, you'd be surprised. Elizabethan England, not so different from your time. Look over there. They've got recycling.
Why did Moffat have River learn (through looking themselves up in history and shit) that this would be her and the Doctor's last time in this episode and that that meant she was gonna die, when she only later realized it in the Library two-parter?
>>64102112
but that's not confronting the issue
that's a cop-out
>>64099801
I'm brain-farting here
when were the sonic sunglasses used?
>>64101996
>>64102060
It's a lot fucking better than just putting them there.
I'm not saying it's good, but I'd rather take some half-hearted explanation that I can maybe get behind than "Indians in the 1200's." For a split second it makes it seem like the show actually cares about its historical episodes.
>>64102112
>>64101996
>>64102060
you don't want to make every historical story about race, so just the casual line here and there is the better way to handle it.
besides people knew about the moors and stuff, a black person wouldn't have been completely unheard of.
>>64102160
then* that is
Would a Holocaust episode work in Doctor Who or a Big Finish audio?
>>64102219
tennant plays a nazi in a bf audio
>>64102166
>>64102112
>>64102160
Just once I want them to go the 1700s america and just get shit on by slavers and never change anyones mind throughout the entire episode
>>64102281
Think you got the wrong show buddy
>>64101913
bravo
God, that's everything I've ever wanted in a episode together. 12th and River fit so well together.
>>64102112
I could maybe buy that onlookers assumed Martha was the Doctor's slave/melanin-enriched concubine which is probably why she didn't immediately get shit thrown at her.
I get that they don't wanna make episodes explaining stuff about race cause it "might" huwt feewings of perfectly reasonable minorities watching at home that I'm sure understand England was much whiter back then, but just don't put them there if you really don't wanna confront the issue.
I just refuse to believe there's a black or Indian person somewhere watching a historical Doctor Who episode and complaining about the lack of Chinese people walking by in the background in 900's Anglo-Saxon England.
>>64101884
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
Was it seriously the VA for baymaxand clay puppington?
Reminder that we still have not seen Jim the Fish
Moffet saving one last River story for a rainy day
>>64102153
When river shows him the hologram of king bad guy's head near the start
>>64102127
>The Doctor lies
>>64101996
yeah he did, just a bit more generally lighthearted. bill shakespeare keeps calling her 'delicious blackamoor lady', 'Ethiop girl', 'swarth', 'Queen of Afric'. There's also the scene at the start where she voices the fear that she'll be carted off as a slave. The Doctor points out there was actually an African population present in London at the time (though small), and this is historically accurate (mostly the families of resident members of West African merchants and traders, though around 1599 loads of black slaves had been freed from Spanish ships so there was a higher than average number of them in London). It's for show-not-tell convenience that two of those Africans happen to be walking in front of them, but I don't really mind because it's not like every 3rd character is black. They missed a trick by not referencing Othello, however.
The episode where Martha's race is best handled in a historical context without it being A) cringeworthy or B) unnecessarily on-the-nose are in Human Nature. Because Paul is such a good writer (and Davies a good script editor) the issue of Martha's race is used to both show how isolated she is in this time and place and also show how biased certain characters are (also work as character-establishment moments for the bullies). There's when pre-alien Baines asks her how she can tell if anything's clean 'With hands like those', there's when Nurse Redfern claims that she can't be training to be a doctor, not just because she's a skivvy and a woman, but also because of her colour, and there's the moment where Martha is trying to alert John Smith of danger and turn him back into the Doctor but the watch is missing and Smith assumes the reason she's acting as though the whole situation is imminently real is because of 'cultural differences' leading her to misunderstand the fictional nature of his diary. That episode did a good job of it, I think.
Just saw Husbandos.
Is it ok that I cried?
>>64102294
I know but wouldn't you just love to see a quick scene with Martha or Mickey where they show up to some random spot and slowly realize they're in the middle of the 1910s deep south and get run the fuck out of town?
>This is Martha, she's my companion
>WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN BOY
Queue shenanigans
>>64102219
fuck no, they've done Nazis but that would be too dark for who.
perhaps if they visited a survivor, years later but You couldn't have them materialise in aushwitz.
>>64102319
No, not really. Design wise though, they're a lot alike.
>>64102320
Jim the Fish is the Noodle Incident of NuWho. Never show the Noodle Incident
>>64102387
paterson joseph for next doctor, and he always gets slightly nervy when he's anywhere in europe or the colonies between 1500 and 1950, but whenever someone tries to confront him about being black and antagonises him for it he talks his way out of it and immediately knows that this is not the supporting character he wants on his team for the rest of the episode
>>64102473
You've pranked me for the last time
>>64102473
so was having a lover with interchangeable heads
Moffet will find a way
Assuming that Christmas is at approximately Darillium's Winter Solstice (as I believe we can from the Doctor's monologue in A Christmas Carol), and assuming the Singing Towers are at a longitude similar to London's (as I'm sure Moffat did), a day on Darillium lasts 36 earth years. So if the next reservation was on Christmas 4 Darillium years later, 52560 earth years passed until the Doctor's regeneration. And the same hostess was working without aging a day. Bravo Moffat.
Alternatively, the non-autistic explanation that they just use standard earth-years everywhere. This does however conflict with the Christmas Carol monologue about how humans always celebrate Christmas in the deep of winter.
>>64102509
could be a descendant who looks like her
she did have different hairstyle and fashion
>>64102509
>And the same hostess was working without aging a day. Bravo Moffat.
she was an android or a clone, problem solved
>>64102509
they must do the bookings in earth time, otherwise it would be rare to stay for 24 years at once.
So I guess if I never see any more Doctor Who, or die soon, I'd be happy with this as an ending.
Quite satisfied.
>christianity exists in the 54th century
>>64102616
Did they even say "Christmas" once in the special?
>>64102557
Or a hard light hologram receptionist interface
>>64102509
Why wouldn't it just be a planet like mercury that has a day longer than the year?
>>64102644
Did you listen to the words of the christmas carol they were singing at the start of the episode?
>>64102338
What does that have to do with River looking up history? Doctor even discusses mortality with her and she talks about how he'd save her and this and that and he says he wouldn't. Add that with the history thing, the sonic screwdriver gift, him finally taking you to the Towers, River already knows she's about to die
>>64102676
They say specifically Christmas Day four years later. Were the days longer than the years than every day would have to be Christmas for this to be feasible.
I think the explanation is humans just took Earth years with them throughout the universe.
>>64102644
I don't think so, the only actual christmas that happened was the carolers sign in the beginning and the town was sort of christmassy but that could just be alien fashion or some shit
>>64102685
Wasn't that just ambient?
>>64102754
Given the fact that 12 had put up a 'carolers will be criticised' note on the tardis, I think it's safe to assume it was in-world singing
>>64099422
11/10 would bang Rose's mom.
>>64102732
Stupid humans with their stupid imperial measurements. When will they learn
>expecting doctor who to not reuse sets
>getting butthurt over a sitcom tier joke
>>64102806
>there is no excuse for misandry
there will be as long as misogyny exists
>>64102806
Misandry is one of those words that might lose meaning in a short while but I did roll my eyes at the 'men don't think' joke. although it was fair, they did show how River is quite the manipulator so you could take that the same way.
>>64102806
>>64102827
Gender politics plz go I just want to talk about wacky british man show
AUTISM
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>>64102827
men and women generally think different and sometimes we misunderstand and frustrate each other. Moffat did write a gender based sitcom beforehand.
Thought it started off pretty ropey, but that ended in a surprisingly nice way. Like the inverse of your normal big Moffat episode.
>yfw we get big finish audios with capaldi and kingston set during the 24 years
how can someone be this autistic?
>hasn't enjoyed anything since 2008...
just stop fucking watching
I get that they replaced this part of the console with a more warped and bent one so that Greg Davies didn't have to sit uncomfortably angled, but did they really think it wasn't obvious? Couldn't they have done a gag about his head being so heavy it bent the console?
WE'RE BEING THREATENED BY A BAG
>He's the Doctor, he doesn't go around falling in love with people. And if you think he's anything that small or that ordinary, then you haven't the first idea of what you're dealing with.
Does River not know about 10 and Rose and the whole meta 10 thing?
>>64103244
10 isn't the doctor river is in love with
he's been royally shat on by 12 calling him out on regeneration being a big deal
>>64102387
>>WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN BOY
FUCK MY SIDES!
>>64103244
It was a 2 year fling for the Doctor. In the grand scheme of things it didn't matter.
>>64103244
He was saying that RTD hadn't the first idea of what he was dealing with.
>>64103244
That and technically 8th, since she's going to join with him in a audio book.
>>64103033
>>64103281
Martha please, you're married, stop being jealous of Rose already
>>64103272
>he's been royally shat on by 12 calling him out on regeneration being a big deal
>implying he wasn't lying to Clara
What else was he gonna say, that he viciously murdered a man but it's okay cause someone with his memories will take his place?
>knows he has no regenerations left
>never takes River to Darillium before ToTD where Clara mary sues more of them
Why is 11 a little bitch?
>>64103524
>doctor finaly finds female of his species
>Darillium means no more reliable sex
>>64103524
11 assumed he would have more time than he got before Trenzalore. Hell, even during Trenzalore he probably assumed he would find a way out, which he kind of did. After the Wedding of River Song it's really not that far-fetched that 11 would think he was pretty much immortal.
Loved the bit where the Doctor finally got to play the idiot seeing the box is bigger on the inside for the first time.
>>64103612
That scene was golden.
>>64103524
>mary sues
You don't even know what that word means
>>64101386
>those thigh bruises
oh my
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>>64103772
How she got them is probably a lot less exciting than your imagination .
It was easily one of the better Christmas episodes. Even if you aren't a particular fan of River the chemistry between 12 and River was much more enjoyable than between 11 and River and the Doc in general was just a fun sight to see the entire episode.
I take it everyone enjoyed tonights episode?
>>64103853
river was written better too imo
>>64103866
yes it was comfy and good
>>64103866
Really the only negative (and its a tiny one at that) I could say about the episode is the episode requires you to know who River is and the history between the two of em
>>64103910
Yeah, it was a bit of a pain to explain it to the people in the room who weren't fans.
>>64103835
This. Mild iron deficiency plus slight bumps equals bruises. My ex girlfriend once had got a long obvious bruise across her leg from leaning on the edge of a sharp table for too long
>>64103910
Well I would hope you knew this by now.
first half was shit, last half was decent
>>64103699
>kills a sun with a leaf where the Doctor's own memories and experiences weren't enough
>time stream jump shenanigans
>conveniently gets internet powers that let her do that the doctor couldn't
>convinces Mars warrior to not reduce Earth to slag
>convinces Doctors to retcon last day of Time War
>convinces Time Lords to give more regenerations
>inspires child Doctor
>haunts child Doctor's dreams
>is controlling but serves to make her seem competent at handling the Doctor, teaching kids and even leading soldiers
>has other flaw of trying to be like the Doctor, flaw first works brilliantly in episode against two dimensional creatures, only "consequence" just leads to her becoming immortal and having her own Tardis, loses the Doctor but her death one heartbeat away would've lost him anyway
>pretty much no one in-universe hates her or doesn't like her besides the enemy
So did the doctor and river spend 24 years on darylium or is it going to be a get out of jail card for river to still have an excuse to show up again while she's still meant to be on darylium?
>>64104395
yes they spent 24 years
but since they have a time machine, they can just time travel in between those 24 years forever
>>64104308
>pretty much no one in-universe hates her or doesn't like her besides the enemy
Isn't that every companion?
>>64098785
Feels good man, no more River.
Forest of the Dead
>RIVER: Funny thing is, this means you've always known how I was going to die. All the time we've been together, you knew I was coming here. The last time I saw you, the real you, the future you, I mean, you turned up on my doorstep, with a new haircut and a suit. You took me to Darillium to see the Singing Towers. What a night that was. The Towers sang, and you cried.
>RIVER: You wouldn't tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time. My time. Time to come to the library. You even gave me your screwdriver. That should have been a clue.
>That should have been a clue.
Husbands of River Song
>River: Some of them suggest that... the very last night we spend together is at the Singing Towers of Darillium. That wouldn't be true, would it?
>The Doctor: Spoilers.
>River: ( gasps ) Well, that would explain why you kept cancelling coming here. Do you remember that time...
>River: .. because I want you to know that if this is the last night, I expect you to find a way round it.
>River: So... assuming tonight is all we have left...
>The Doctor: I didn't say that.
>River: .. how long... is a night on Darillium?
Confirmed, Moffat's a fucking hack
>>64099422
I hoped but was saddened when Rose's father did not look like John Goodman.
>>64104395
basically get out of jail card just in case.
I think this is the only river episode I liked. she was really grating in the beginning and they had to make the guys look like homos to make her seem tough and shovanistic, but I guess thats why I never liked her. shes a cunt. and she only mellows out when a real boss like the Doctor shows up.
loved it when he said he hadn't laughed in a long time. makes me feel better about the brain wipe thing in the last episode.
>>64104630
>loved it when he said he hadn't laughed in a long time. makes me feel better about the brain wipe thing in the last episode.
how are they relevant to each other?
>>64104456
Nope
Rose had Mickey for her skipping out, always choosing the Doctor, and for that year where Mickey kept getting brought in cause cops thought she was dead and he'd killed her. And Rose's own mum cause she was changing into something different and gallivanting around going who knows where with the Doctor.
Martha had Human Nature, "with hands like those..." and Hutchinson wasn't even an enemy, even got to survive the war
Donna had her own mother who kept shitting on her
Amy I don't even remember anymore cause I myself just hate the bitch
>>64104308
>>64104456
Actually I'm pretty sure Clara is the only companion the TARDIS itself has ever openly disliked.
>>64104653
because he just went through a whole fucking ordeal for billions of years that he remembers but he just doesn't remember Clara.
why do you think he's a humbug at the start of this episode?
>>64104695
Only disliked her cause her Timey wimey nature.
Tardis really hated Jack though
>>64104711
can we stop this honestly
he didn't live for a billion years in the confession, he lived enough to find the diamond-type wall before dying and going to make a clone of himself again
>>64104744
He's a bit timey wimey too though.
>>64104559
for real though
also
>my diary is almost finished, which means I'm going to die soon
>lol jk 24 years maybe I'll just write real tiny
>>64104784
Jack is a fact of the universe and the Tardis and even Doctor disliked him so much that he's not only "wrong" in the Doctor's eyes, the Doctor tried to leave before he got to the Tardis and the Tardis tried to fly to the end of the universe to get him off.
He's not just timey wimey.
>>64104820
I think that meant as in adventures, also I think writing
>had sex for 24 years
would be small enough
>>64104820
>my diary is almost finished, which means I'm going to die soon
To be fair that was just something River worried might be true. And it was wrong, the Doctor actually didn't know how long she would live when he gave her the diary, it's not like he asked her in Silence of the Library how long she had had it.
>>64104866
With Clara and Ashildehshahddfahdasad hiding in a closet giggling and watching all of the 24 years.
>>64104886
wasn't the diary full in River's first episode? I honestly can't remember
capaldi again proves he is one of the best actors of all nuwho
>>64104755
>implying that isn't fucked up scenario
>>64105002
Not that anon but pretty sure the only way to know that would've been for the Doctor to read it or at least look at the last page, which I don't remember the Doctor doing
>>64105095
look at it this way, the doctor clone who got out never experienced dying and killing himself
he had no memory
I'm tempted to rewatch all the River episodes in order from her point of view now but on the other hand it would be mostly shit.
>>64104630
>basically get out of jail card just in case.
At this point I just figure its BBC mandate unless the actor themselves die.
>Rose, her mum, and the 12 DonnaDoctor in alternate dimension
>Captain Jack doing whatever the fuck he wants
>Martha and Mickey freelance alien fighters
>Donna with her memory of her adventuring
>Wilfred kicked back watching his daughter be a cunt to Donna and waiting for the Doctor to come pick him up again
>Amy and Rory being timelocked into the past
>Clara and Me traveling around in their own tardis
>River being another time traveler
Having said that It really does feel at times like Moffat wants fuck all to do with any of the previous companions
>>64105147
He states specifically in the story that he remembers it all.
>>64105147
and he was still fucked up about it. the whole end of the episode is him trying to piece together the events.
and him appreciating a laugh was heart warming. shit dude way to miss the point.
>>64105312
if he remembered it all the clones would have done different things
>>64105207
you'd have to watch The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon and A Good Man Goes to War twice
>>64105312
When?
>>64105349
how do you think he's able to tell the story from his point of view. he remembers when he tells the story to Clara. only thing he doesn't remember is Clara herself.
>>64105371
I think it's just as he's punching the wall for the final time
>>64105349
From the way I gathered it, living inside the shit was basically a vidya game.
He had unlimited lives and could keep chipping away at the bosses hp but everytime he died he couldn't remember the path back to the boss so would have to start over to chip off a few more hp.
When he finally completed the level he got a summary of all his statistics of the level
>>64105283
Not really considering Sarah Jane's Ending
>>64105396
I'm not seeing it fampai.
http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/35-11.html
>>64105391
All the Doctors went through almost the same thing. Only difference was the punch before they got their shit wrecked. Each one got to see the progress of the previous, its how the last one knew there were others.
>>64105391
He is able to deduce what is happening in the last few seconds of each life. On the last life he only remembers that one life, but can tell that he's used up a great many because of the star positions and the wall being almost done.
>>64105432
Actor dies so they killed off the character offscreen.
Won't even be surprised if her adopted son from the Sarah Jane Adventures is brought back to Doctor Who sooner or later.
>>64105339
Don't see how you can be fucked up about an event that never happened to you
not my fault moffat is a hack
>>64105349
He has an epiphany about what happened once he gets to the wall each time, at that point he realises what has happened and 'remembers' what all of his teleport clones have done
he doesn't have 4.5 billion years worth of punching a wall in his memory
>>64105509
>Implying anybody cares about Luke.
Probably get the talking computer before him again.
>>64105450
My bad, it was when the Doctor is in his headspace.
> But I can remember, Clara.You don't understand, I can remember it all. Every time. And you'll still be gone. Whatever I do, you still won't be there.
>>64105522
it was just nice that he was finally able to laugh. wtf anon
>>64105559
>Make Luke a villain mad that the Doctor didn't do something to save Sarah Jane
>the computer is either his partner in crime or a slave
it could have potential
>>64105483
I'm pretty sure that during Heaven Sent, when the Doctor sees the harder-than-diamond wall with 'Home' engraved in it, he scans it with the sonic glasses. It's quite possible that said scan revealed the indentations from the prior Doctor's punches (possibly DNA as well, as it looks to be the only room that doesn't get reset after every shifting of the castle) and let him realize what he needed to do.
But the cloning machine could only revive him from the last saved copy, which was shortly after he got stuck in the confessional dial in the first place, which explains why it doesn't give him the memories of the prior Doctors that did all the punching.
But finding out it took you literal billions of years to punch through a not!diamond wall with probably trillions of copies of you, and it was set up by the Time Lords on Gallifrey, I'd be pretty pissed too.
>>64105564
Well shit.
>>64099422
I actually still have love and monsters saved solely to jack off to jackie tyler.
I just realized the name of Adam from series 1 could be a Biblical reference. He gets banished from the TARDIS for seeking forbidden knowledge of the future, just like Adam gets banished from the Garden of Eden for seeking forbidden knowledge of good and evil. I think it might be kind of a stretch but it also seems like the kind of thing RTD would do.
Is the whole Christmas Special about the Doctor getting cucked? Seems a bit weird.
Has anyone listened to The Diary of River Song yet?
Thoughts?
>>64106287
No, it's about him being far more alpha than her other spouses.
>new sonic screwdriver in the poster
>not even in the episode for more than a minute
why must they tease us
this is the first Christmas special after the departure of a companion where the companion isn't even mentioned or alluded to
he must've gotten over not knowing who Clara was real fucking quick then
>>64107025
Was Martha mentioned in Voyage of the Damned?
>>64107053
>ASTRID: You're not with anyone?
>DOCTOR: No, no, just me. Just, er, used to be but, er, no.
there's always a passing reference to the old companion in these things following the departure
>>64107025
>clara's gone and no longer being mentioned
I'm so happy.
>>64107025
He was pretty grumpy in the beginning, I assumed he was still buttmad about losing clara
Got over it real fucking quick when he saw river though
>>64107139
he was grumpy about Christmas
>>64107025
better than referencing rose for the first 4 or 5 episodes of S3
>10 staring at the people dancing and then it switches to show 10 and rose dancing
that was awful imo
WAITWAITWAITWAITWAIT
HOW DID WE FORGET
Can river regenerate again? I can't remember...
Also, I don't really get the 'this is our last night together' shit. Why would they never meet again when they both care for each other. I'm glad to be rid of her, but in universe it makes no sense.
>>64107767
huh?
>>64107767
WE DID IT
WE GOT FUCKING BINGO
MERRY CHRISTMAS /WHO/
>>64099602
Christmissy
I enjoyed it, I like River Song. Alex Kingston is a 10/10 milf
>>64107780
Because that's not how time travel works. They ran into each other on complete accident.
>>64107025
he's already moped
besides the TARDIS was trying to cheer him up at the beginning, with the antlers and all, probably with taking him to see River too
wasn't expecting to enjoy that episode but I enjoyed that episode
nice to see /who/ enjoyed it too
>>64100804
Yes. In Silence, she says the reason one astronaut keeps his helmet on is "I don't fancy you (unlike the others)." One of the others is a woman. Also, doesn't she seduce Cleopatra before impersonating her?
>>64107780
>Can river regenerate again? I can't remember...
nope, used up all her juice, gave it to the doc to heal him that one time
>>64107926
Cleopatra had been dead for a hundred years by the time that episode took place.
So do we assume River goes to the library once these 24 years are up?
>>64107953
Just did a search, remembered something about her saying Cleopatra was a pushover
and yup
>Hallucinogenic lipstick. Works wonders on President Kennedy. And Cleopatra was a real pushover.
This is from Wedding of River Song though
>>64107984
Once she's filled up her diary. Though 24 years should probably do that.
Probably a bit more archaeology too, then the library just happens.
>>64099602
I find Missy both ugly and attractive.
>>64101860
And then follows 11 around as a hologram while he goes to Trenzalore and ignores her.
>>64108048
I want her and River to fight over the Doctor. Would be amusing television.
Ausfag here just finished the episode, thought it was pretty good for a Christmas special
what did /who/ think of the episode?
>>64108106
The problem being is how Master/Missy has tried to kill the Dr and humans for a very long time.
>>64098785
Well that was fucking awful aside from a few scenes and a massively stupid retcon. It pretty much completely diminishes whatever the fuck 11 had with River to being pointless and makes no sense with River's comments in several key episodes. Not to mention the Doctor nearly fucking DIED on his final regeneration before giving her the screwdriver which means he almost allowed his own personal history to be rewritten and his own first meeting with her wouldn't have happened.
And the entire episode until the last 15 minutes is spent with River not knowing he's the Doctor despite it being painfully clear who he is which makes River look like the biggest fucking moron around. Bravo Moffat.
>>64108130
>what did /who/ think of the episode?
This anon >>64108149 is in the minority.
>>64108130
/who/ actually enjoyed it, which is really saying something because most people expected it to be shit because river
>>64108175
Low expectations probably helped.
overnight ratings 5.77 million
lowest ratings for a Xmas special ever
>>64108184
True, I went into it expecting shite and for the first minutes it was that but then it had hilarious moments like 12 pretending to be surprised by the TARDIS and Kingston looking surprisingly hot (for once).
I wouldn't say I loved it but taken at face value it was probably more enjoyable than the ashildr episodes from S9
>>64108243
Are you memeing or is there a source?
That's disappointing
>>64108147
River tried to kill the doctor once.
>>64108175
entirely possible, however I find that that for some people if you're going into something cynical and expecting it to be shit then you'll find a way to maintain that stance(see TFA)
>>64108243
Ratings for everything are getting lower every year. That's about the same ratings the X Factor gets on average these days, and that's one of the most watched shows in the country.
>>64108243
to be fair all the christmas stuff was low this year
>>64108266
http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2015/12/husbands-of-river-song-overnight.html?m=1
>>64108243
>overnights
this meme is getting old
>>64108309
>>64108302
It was the second lowest rates BBCOne programme of the Night though, and it had virtually no competition in it's time slot.
>>64108350
yeah but all the christmas stuff was low this year
>>64108338
it's the lowest overnight rating for a Xmas special
for comparison last Christmas got 6.34 million overnight
>>64108350
It's Christmas man, people might not want to sit around the TV all bloody day
>>64108330
>>64108309
What has happened to TV ratings in the UK in general? Has there been such an immense cultural shift that just about nobody cares about live TV viewing anymore?
I'm not a brit but the most viewed program on christmas day only getting 6.9M viewers seems a little unprecedented
I'm a little surprised the queen's message isn't in the top 20, does nobody care about her there either?
>>64108350
>making Doctor Who the 7th most watched programme of the day, just above EastEnders.
It beat EastEnders m8
also ratings always go up when they're finalised
especially at christmas
look at this
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-8-ratings-accumulator-66394.htm
>Last Christmas 6.34m (overnight) 8.28m (final) 9.62m (L+7) AI 82
>>64108382
yeah and this was still one of the lowest among a low bunch
>>64108407
>What has happened to TV ratings in the UK in general? Has there been such an immense cultural shift that just about nobody cares about live TV viewing anymore?
This is basically it. It's Netflix and iPlayer and all that. Technological shift as well as cultural.
And no. No one cares about the Queen's speech.
>>64108407
Streaming services have gotten really popular this year.
>>64108413
EastEnders actually had competition in its timeslot
this shows that an earlier time slot is not going to gain back the lost viewers
I hope the next episode has Vasta, Jenny, and Strax.
>>64108435
>No one cares about the Queen's speech.
ausfag here, my mum always makes us watch the queen's message every christmas day
I like to humour her
>>64108464
>Vastra
>>64108475
Well, no one in the UK cares about the Queen's speech, at least.
Anyone listened to Big Finish's newly released River audios? Considering buying them now, but not sure how much a mess they'll make of her.
>>64108490
she was brought up by a fanatical royalist mother, she's more casual about it but even her siblings make fun of it
It's certainly not common in australia for people to watch it
>>64104559
The first line is about her death. The other is about seeing the Doctor.
>>64108510
I can't even fathom why one would want to listen to River for 2 hours
>happily ever after is when death is delayed
>>64108460
so?
>>64108604
so the anon wants to complain about nothing
Who was River's second wife? Cleopatra? Bernice Summerfield?The Doctor?
>>64104559
Devil's advocate here
>you turned up on my doorstep
could be considered a figure of speech
>with a new haircut
quip about his new regeneration much the same as kate did
>You wouldn't tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time. My time. Time to come to the library
This still works. Knowing it's the last time they'll see each other and knowing she's about to die aren't inherently the same thing. And the doctor didn't tell her why, she had a theory which he wouldn't confirm or deny
>You even gave me your screwdriver
>your screwdriver
oops moffat
>That should have been a clue.
Even if river knew they wouldn't see each other again, that doesn't mean she knew she was about to die
What I'd really be questioning is why river wasn't surprised to see the doctor after their last farewell. Perhaps she thought the doctor found a way around it
>>64108647
Missy
OOOOOOHHH EEEHHHHHH OOOOOHHHHH
>>64108685
I am pleased with this answer.
>>64108677
>>You even gave me your screwdriver
>>your screwdriver
>oops moffat
Well she could be referring to the Tenth Doctor there with the second "your"? She'd seen Ten's screwdriver in the episode before that point.
>they're still out there in this episode traveling through time and space in their TARDIS
>>64108752
Nice. I like it.
>>64102320
>Moffet saving one last River story for a rainy day
She met Jim the Fish with 11.
>>64108752
River's sonic is a derivative of 10's design-wise and that was probably the intentional implication alongside the 'your' at the time, but 10's sonic was destroyed in Eleventh Hour. Maybe headcanon lore could be he kept the remains of that one and rebuilt/modified it
Also is it just me or did they just use one of the toys of her sonic in this episode, repainted to look new? It looked pretty plastic-y although it's been years since I've seen the original prop in Library
>>64108841
>implying Moffat won't clumsily retcon that too
>>64108904
This one was hardly a clumsy retcon
>>64108930
It was incredibly clumsy. >>64108149
>>64108930
worst one since the retcon of the crack being in the doctor's room in the god complex
>>64108965
You can't just link your outlier opinion as the statement of a fact
>>64108965
your post is just autistic ramblings of 'that's not how I imagined it in my head'
quote specific dialogue moments with 11 that contradict what we was
>>64109077
So refute my points.
>your outlier opinion
Anon pls
>>64109145
11 was certain he was going to die on Trenzalore with no more regenerations. Without giving River the screwdriver that 10 used to save her to the Library. Having it be 12 instead is a shit retcon that makes no sense. There is no reason he wouldn't have done it as 11 if he believed he was going to die. It's a huge fucking paradox.
