Worst final lightsaber battle in a Star Wars movie ever?
It was good
That would be a new hope, you dumbfuck aspie.
that was like the only good part of the movie though
>>63994593
Luke is the only jedi in the fucking galaxy. Ren and rei were two untrained desperate kids trying to kill each other. I thought it was a realistic grounded fight. Better than the swinging on ropes spinning twirl shit from the prequels by a mile
It was one of the best actually
>that lighting from the glow of the lightsabers
>semi-realistic choreography that's gritty and actually looks like people trying to kill each other, not sterile and safe dance numbers
>characters actually have a relationship and the fight serves the overall story rather than just a fight for its own sake
you're just a faggot
>peoples only defense of this is that it's supposes to be shitty because Rey is untrained
Oh okay.
theres always obi wan vs vader
>>63994593
It's actually the complete opposite
>>63994593
it was good until Rey had that fucking epiphany next to the chasm and then started going all goddamn Neo on everything
the lightsaber fights were one of the things I enjoyed about this movie
I'm very glad they didn't do the spinny light saboeira shit from the prequels
>>63994593
Yes.
Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul is superior.
It has more weight and memes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-L2K2f2YWM
3:15
I thought it was great.
Lots of heavy swinging and umph behind hits instead of silly crouching saber hidden jedi shit.
Didn't really care for the way Rey suddenly learns force shit and how to fight though.
>>63994612
There wasn't a final lightsabre battle in A New Hope you dribbling dicksnigger
>>63994695
Yea, it would have made sense if she was like "The force... force push!" but no she just...got stronger. that didn't make sense.
They got it spot on with Kylo Ren. I loved that he was this medieval knight hacking his way through anything that pissed him off and marched around with clenched fists, rather than the ninja ballet dancers of the prequels. Adam Driver pulled it off great. Shame the rest of the movie was shit 2bh.
Memeing aside, I thought it was the second best.
>>63994718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
>>63994695
intimidated by strong women?
>>63994830
Don't care, it's like bitching Bloodsport doesn't accurately depict a hand-to-hand deathmatch.
>>63994834
Look at how angry/aggressive her face is. Clearly going to fall to the Dark Side.
>>63994593
It was actually really solid when it was finn and kylo, but it got really disjointed when rey got involved. Something tells me boyega put more effort into learning choreography and they had to stitch together something vaguely coherent for rey.
I like how much weight Ren put behind his strikes. He would swing that thing around like it had a real density, as if it wasn't just a light little saber.
>>63994834
No I was rooting for her until the force shenanigans.
It just seemed too quick to achieve.
And Ren literally just lets her zone out for a moment to no consequence.
I really wanted her to end the little edgelord, but not in that way.
>>63994834
FOR THE MATRIARCHY!
>>63994593
Nope. That would be Ani vs Obi Wan on Mustafar. Take off your videogame goggles, you hobbyless faggots.
>>63994718
>more weight and memes
And more Liam Neeson tßh
>>63994593
Maul vs Obi Wan and Qui Gon ballet shitfest exists
Anakin vs Obi Wan flying around like retards and spinning their lightsabers behind their backs on the lava level exists
so, no. it's not the worst
Dooku vs Obi Wan and Anakin was alright and this one (TFA) was actually better than that, too
>>63994718
I hope Rey gets a saber like Maul's.
>>63994593
Force user that destroys Luke Skywalkers new Jedi council; trained by Master Jedi Luke Skywalker; shown the secrets of the dark side by Snoke (although his training isn't complete).... Defeated by a scavenger that has recently discovered her force powers.... How does this happen?
>>63994593
>doesn't sense that he is about to get shot, literally one of the only skills you do not need to get trained in
This its "designed to be bad" nonsense is the same shit they use with the lightsaber and the 'exhaust ports' yes..the exhaust ports that never studder in their emissions at all, a completely consistent length that never goes beyond a crossguard length and dissipates perfectly despite the fact we know bent plasma is the only way to make the blade..so what is stopping the exhaust ends?
Shitty shit. I could handle Rey doing as well as she did if Finn didn't hit him and yes I know Jacen wasn't a master lightsaber artist but this is really fucking shitty.
A non-force user managed to hit him.
>>63994645
Based post
>>63994593
That isn't obi and anakin vs Dooku in EP2
>>63994593
That's not a picture of Yoda and Dooku
>>63995324
The film is vague, so no one really knows what happens. However given that the visual directory and the novelization both states that Ren is very powerful, its probably easy to believe that he killed Jedi.
>>63995348
how could you possibly think that was worse than the Maul or Mustafar fights?
>>63994736
Vader v. Obi Wan, you knuckle dragging butt pirate.
>>63995324
>new Jedi council
In the flashback they're just padawans who havent even made a lightsaber yet.
but yeah rey being good at everything is bullshit
Did Ren have teleporting abilities?
>>63995324
he got shot by a fuckin bowcaster that han had just spent the whole movie telling us how insanely powerful it was
>>63995457
What? No nigger.
>>63994695
>we're told repeatedly that embracing the dark side makes you more powerful (at least short term)
>character embraces the dark side and becomes more powerful
>people on /tv/ get mad for some reason
>>63994593
It was literally second to luke in VI
>>63995625
So by embracing the dark side she defeats a user of the force that has been trained under a Master Jedi and Snoke, that has converted over to the dark side. Luke did use his anger to strike Vader down, but that was after he to trained under a master Jedi and learned the ways of the force.
>>63994718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
lol
>>63995013
You have to remember Kylo might not have been trying to kill her, snoke told him to bring her to him
>>63995682
>that has been trained under a Master Jedi and Snoke
In the process of being trained. Snoke tells kylo to come to him and finish his training
>>63995324
No idea how it happened
It's one of the best swordfights I've seen in a very long time. It felt like two barely trained people desperately swinging around trying to kill each other.
I > V > VI = VII > III >>>>>>>>> II > IV
>>63994695
I thought that was stupid too.
I would of preferred kylo beating her like he did with finn. Then when they had that moment with their sabers locked, the chasm appears under them and she force pushes kylo.
>>63995768
JJ turned Force users into Twilight vampires
The newer they are, the stronger they are
>>63995793
>I
>best lightsaber fight
>when you're praising VII for how genuine it was
explain yourself
>>63994834
post the part where she does that awesome looking hand spin with the saber.
>>63995396
>wasted oppurtunity to use double lightsaber fighting
>the wierd edits
>the stupid cutting back to the faces of anakin and Dooku and the flashing lights if their lightsabers
At least the others qualify as fights, this was more of a spasm
>>63994896
That is the expression of focus and determination. I realize, though, that people with aspergers have difficulty realizing that the human face can express more than happy, sad, and angry.
>>63995863
I thought Phantom Menace gets away with it because of how ridiculously flashy it was. It didn't do some sort of half assed hybrid of flashy combat with some realism thrown in like typical Hollywood movies, it went all out.
Then again, I haven't watched it in a while so maybe it's not as great as I remember. And no, those videos picking apart specific moves don't mean a thing to me.
>>63995768
That post makes sense and it's obvious what they were trying to do, but I don't think they got the balance right. They tried to set this whole thing up by having Han suddenly take an interest in Chewie's bowcaster so we knew how OP it was, which just seemed stupid considering they've known each other 50 years. Then they just fucked it up making Rey suddenly train herself to be a Jedi, she was fucking with Kylo's shit during the interrogation long before he got shot. Despite all the irritating references and fanservice I was pretty much on board until the final 30 minutes or so and it just well full retard.
>>63994593
I fucking love the sabers
They look hot. Like if you put your face in front of it you'd burn yourself.
Fuck Finns shoulder must hurt
>>63994645
>>that lighting from the glow of the lightsabers
Antithesis to the best shot scene in the franchise.
Absolutely disgusting.
Reminder that they establish Rey as competent at fighting with a stick all the way back on Jakku
it's not like the lightsaber duel at the end is the first time she's ever fought
>>63994695
>it was good until Rey had that fucking epiphany next to the chasm and then started going all goddamn Neo on everything
Yeah, throughout this whole movie the look on Rey's face and the way she acted about her new powers made me constantly think that I could quite easily imagine her being an autist who spent her life browsing Internet forums and reading about what Jedi can do, and now she's going out and doing it for herself at random times.
Whenever she does a new Jedi trick in the movie it felt like watching Chris-chan do his Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha, except in her case there's the big joke that it actually worked.
>>63995768
I agree with what you're saying, but my first reaction to the movie after Kylo gets beat down is that Kylo is no longer a threat, wounded or not, and is not a very powerful force user, or Rey is going to be Jedi Jesus of the trilogy. Which then made me think that this movie could of adapted perfectly for Episode I if they were going to base a movie on Anakin being the Force Jesus of the galaxy.
Autism is getting to me.
>>63995738
Nigger he's fucking 30 years old. The excuse of lack of experience or training doesn't fly when he gets his ass easily beaten by someone with literally ZERO training or experience. It's fucking retarded.
phantom menaces was shit. Its only somewhat well liked because duel of the fates is godly and the other 3 concurrent battle sequences are unspeakably awful.
>>63996187
>Jacen at 30 was basically taking on the entire Jedi Order by himself and running the galaxy.
Oh no, it didn't have a bunch of passionless assholes doing choreographed ninja shit! My ADD prevents me from paying attention to a scene with actual emotion that looks like a real fight.
Why do you people literally hate the best things about this movie? Being contrarian doesn't mean shit when you're objectively wrong.
>>63996187
>he's fucking 30 years old.
according to what?
>>63996189
Careful friend, /tv/ defends the prequels now because expressing hatred for them is popular.
>>63996230
>implying "its designed to be bad" is a good defense for eating soupy shit by walmart knockoff corporation
Keep defending soulless cash grabs anon, it'll work some day
>>63995768
>most powerful force pushing ever seen in the films
Obi-Wan casually flicks Grievous fifty feet into the air, and General Coughsalot is certainly heavier than Rey.
Also, since EU is finally in the garbage, can we stop calling it force push and just say telekinesis?
>>63994593
>thinking this is superior to an actual fight
>>63996187
>he gets his ass easily beaten by someone with literally ZERO training or experience
Rey was already proficient in stick combat, you see her fight people on jakku trying to steal BB8. It's not too dissimilar to using a lightsaber
Kylo had been wounded by a gun which one shot kills stormtroopers and he was an emotionally unstable wreck by that point, he wasn't exactly at peak fighting condition
There are also no people for him to have lightsaber duelled with
>>63996307
It WASN'T bad. It was great. It looked like a real fight and had a lot of emotion. Nothing like the dumb, drawn out shit from the prequels.
In this movie we had one really good lightsaber duel, versus the prequels where lightsabers show up in pretty much every single fucking scene.
>>63996187
The actor is 32, but I think the character is meant to be a bit younger than that.
I assumed he was meant to be similar in age to Rey and Finn but perhaps a few years older (mid-twenties?).
It's not explicitly stated in the film though, does any of the tie-ins mention it?
>>63994834
>women
>strong
In this moment I am euphoric. Not because of some phony patriarchal blessing but from the enlightenment of a diversity laden science fiction fantasy film.
>>63994896
That's her being a stronk wymyn. Wymyn can't be dark side force users because they can do no wrong.
>>63996307
'Bad' in this case is not that the execution of the fight was bad, but you can see the imperfections in their fighting techniques because they are inexperienced
stop memeing
Yes, Rey is the most retarded fighter I have ever seen. When she put her lightsaber over her head and behind her she could've been killed a billion times. Shit movie, shit ending
>>63996187
Kylo loses because he loses focus due to his extensive injury. In case you're a moron, the movie repeatedly showed us as an audience how powerful Chewie's bowcaster is, and Kylo Ren took a blast right in the gut, which would have killed anyone else.
It is very clearly explained, visually, why Kylo Ren lost to two inexperienced individuals. If you couldn't pick up the very obvious hints being dropped during the film you may have ADHD.
Why did Ren turn to the darkside, it makes zero fucking sense?
>>63996417
>slowly helicopters away from your bad memery
I liked it but it needed to be a bit longer.
Not necessarily in actual clashes but maybe one initial confrontation inside the Starkiller structure and then one outside.
These movies need stronger iconic scenes and that winter forest location is just a bit too bland.
>>63994612
>Implying the lightsaber batter between Ben and Vader is about the swordsmanship.
Child detected.
>>63996351
Oh, lawd....did they actually choreograph that or do you think they just said, "Hold the sticks and spazz out. We'll add everything in post"
>>63996351
Jesus fuck I could never be an actor in the modern day, I'd fell like a complete tool having to do this shit with a serious look on my face. No wonder Sir Ian McKellen nearly had a nervous breakdown on the set of Hobbit.
>>63995987
>denying Darth Rey
>>63996463
The obvious hints weren't enough to excuse it.
Even with his injuries he made short work of Finn as soon as it got real and Finn nicked him.
Then he was dominating Rey up to the point where she had a meditative moment and leveled up her lightsaber skill and kicked his ass.
Not to mention that a woman that's probably half his weight managed to wrestle him to the ground.
That's a bit crap considering that Kylo has apparently been training in the dark side for about 10 years.
In fact his entire age thing is weird since he's about 30 yet acts like he's 17.
>>63994834
Sheev's body was destroyed, but not his spirit.
Rey was a padawan of Luke, but Sheev went into her body.
He sensed her evil, but couldn't bring himself to kill her. So he send her to Jakku in oder to keep her away from the First Order.
That's why she can so easily tap into Force stuff. She can channel Sheev's knowledge.
Did people not understand that the entire reason we see Rei with the staff is to establish she knows how to fight with a melee weapon? Is /tv/'s collective memory that fucking poor?
>>63996534
if I can remember right most of what they're doing there is reflecting laser shots
that's too many people to realistically choreograph and the shot is so dense it doesn't matter so they probably did just tell them 'swing your lightsaber around as if you're defending yourself and we'll make it work in post
>>63996351
>Okay guys I just need you to pretend that there's an army shooting at you
>Hershlag shoot in the air at random and pretend the blue screen is robots
>>63996572
In that time, Finn injured Kylo even further though. On his dominant side to boot.
>>63996586
wrong, that was to establish she likes long brown phalluses
>>63996586
>Is /tv/'s collective memory that fucking poor?
not just that but they also want to actively search for reasons to criticise the movie
>>63996354
He still gets overpowered in the Force by a totally untrained girl he's supposed to interrogating, he hadn't been shot then. They had clearly already made Rey a massive Mary Sue, him getting shot was just thrown in to help explain him losing the big fight at the end, all that shit with Han and the bowcaster seemed so out of place it didn't help for me, it just highlighted how retarded the whole thing was.
But that's not Dooku v Yoda
One of the best parts of the movie was the contrast between Kylo and Vader.
>Something goes wrong for Vader
>"You have failed me for the last time"
>Then proceeds to either get more capable hands on board, or does the job himself
>Something goes wrong for Ren
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NIGGER GIVE ME MY PRISONER BACK GOD FUCKING DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN"
It's a mockery of every edgy teen who wants to be/idolizes villains while possessing none of the ice-cold fortitude to do so.
>>63996601
>>63996351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYrwFylaY8
>he keeps trying to post it
>>63996632
I don't know. It was a legitimately good movie. I guess /tv/ hates it for the same reason /v/ hates any massively popular game: it's popular and 'normies' like it so it must be bad. This is also why so many people here defend the prequels: because they're so massively despised.
>>63996463
He loses to Rey before he gets shot when he tries to fuck with her mind. Explain that to me.
>>63994593
That title goes to Obi Wan vs Admiral Bonetopick
>>63996598
Imagine taking a leisurely hike through the woods and coming across this.
>>63996652
>He still gets overpowered in the Force by a totally untrained girl he's supposed to interrogating,
Because he wasn't expecting it. She surprised him and got into his head because it didn't even occur to him that she would be Force sensitive.
Again, very clear explanation here. It's not bad writing, it's you being obtuse.
>>63996688
- edited by Kylo Ren
>>63996691
It's a 6.5/10, possibly a 7/10. It's nothing special and doesn't deserve praise just because it's Star Wars.
>>63996652
When kylo interrogates rey he learns that she has strong force powers, but more importantly he learns that she's bonded with his father in a way that he never did. The way he delivers those lines shows that he's legitimately upset when he learns that last part. At his core kylo is insecure and vulnerable and that fact hit him hard psychologically
aka pay fucking attention
>>63995402
As memeish as it would be, it would also kinda make sense and be pretty cool if Rey got a maul saber.
>>63996691
>soulless cash grab that is found to be the exact copy of something else
>why dont they like it guise? Comeon!
I think that what the people making the movie were trying to get across is that Ren had been greatly wounded before the fight, but they fucked up the execution, especially with the last part of the fight where she suddenly gets some sort of epiphany and is immediately better after losing and being pushed back the entire time before that.
>>63996696
he is an insecure angstmaster is why
>>63996696
Explained here:
>>63996716
>>63996735
>exact copy
Shitty meme, there are similarities but there are also plenty of differences
>>63996586
>>63996632
Is your memory so poor you forget how Kylo Ren gets owned in the interrogation room? Explain that one you JJ shill.
>>63996519
Fucking this. Vader vs Obi is a lot more interesting than the god-awful Mustafar duel which had some initial weight but then continued for 30 minutes too long.
>>63994834
I just noticed she never changed out of that desert outfit for the whole movie. It must smell like and be soaked in sweat
>>63996723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daE1AQC0wKM
>>63996735
Being a cash grab doesn't mean it's a bad film. The entire purpose of this movie was to wash away the taint of the prequels and reestablish the Star Wars universe. The next one will probably be completely original.
>>63996771
read the fucking thread
>>63996716
>>63996729
Or better yet, pay attention to the actual film when you watch it
>>63996729
>>63996716
Yeah that explains it, a guy who's been trained for years get owned in the Force by an untrained girl because "he didn't expect it"
Jesus Christ you fanboys will defend anything.
>>63996781
I mean to be fair I'm pretty sure the movie takes place within the span of like, a day.
I said that jokingly, but now I don't know.
>>63995995
The duel in phantom menace looks like a complex dance routine more than a fight. Also there's very little emotional involvement (til quigon dies partway thru) since Darth Maul has like 2 lines in the whole film, he's just kind of a generic bad guy. In VII Rey and Kylo hAve a major beef with eachother for a number of reasons and their fight makes sense on a character level
>>63996830
... Yeah. That's kind of like, a classic story telling element. An expert being spurned or beaten by a beginner because their hubris got the best of them.
Do you even like stories? What's your fucking deal?
>>63996830
Did you miss the part where Kylo's an insecure, vulnerable emotional child who hides behind a mask to intimidate people, and when he took off the mask his vulnerabilities were revealed
>>63996798
So he wasn't expecting that some random girl would suddenly train herself to be a Jedi out of nowhere, and be able to use techniques he had clearly been trained to use? Yeah I can understand that I suppose, but this is still part of the same shitty writing you're trying to defend.
The problem with this fight is that there's no tension when she fights Kylo again. He'd have to decidedly thrash her to be regain even a shred of the menace he had at the start of the movie but we all know that's not going to happen especially now she's getting proper training.
Knights of Renn more like team rocket
>>63996904
It's not. It makes perfect sense. You just want to make excuses to hate this movie. There is nothing wrong with that scene.
>>63996868
>>63996888
>warrior with training goes up against untrained opponent
>opponent suddenly displays skills they shouldn't even know
>trained warrior gets owned because he didn't expect it
>this is considered good writing to JJ shills
>>63996928
How do you know she's getting training? Luke might have better things to do.
>>63994593
No. That would be Yoda vs Dooku.
>>63996935
Yup, makes perfect sense if you need to wrap up the story so come up with this fucking unbelievable drivel.
>>63996904
>I understand but it's still shit because I say so
what?
>>63996928
The whole point of kylo and rey is that they're to an extent relative equals who are both inexperienced and young, over the course of the movies both of them will improve their skills and it's effectively a race for them to become better than the other
VIII will likely have kylo win to show how he's improved his skills and become more of a real threat, then IX will have rey win because good triumps evil
>>63996960
>untrained opponent
She is trained with melee combat, she fights and beats other scavengers back on jakku at the very start of the movie
or did you not watch the movie?
>>63996963
The distance won't stare into itself
>>63994593
That's a weird way of spelling best.
>>63996904
It's called talent, some people are better than others at some things. It's clear that Rey has much more potential than Ren even after he got trained. It's what they did in the prequels with Anakin, but without that retarded midchlorian bullshit.
>>63996960
How dishonest can you be? There are explanations for each situation. In the duel, Ren is injured and crazed, clearly not in prime fighting condition. When he raids Rei's mind, he's surprised by her ability with the Force is is caught with his pants down.
Easy explanations that are easily understood by any normal, thinking person.
>>63997029
It isn't the worst but if you honestly think it's the best you're retarded.I know this is bait
>>63996391
he!
>>63997051
Why must you finish off your posts with silly insults? It just makes you sound childish, insecure and totally undermines your entire argument.
>>63997094
May not be the best, but it's a great scene. Definitely better than literally any scene in the prequels.
>>63997140
Can't argue with that.
>>63997122
No it doesn't. You deserve to be insulted for being so dishonest in representing the truth of the situation. You present half truths to make your argument look stronger, when in reality there is a clear explanation that nullifies your stance.
>>63994633
>ren
>untrained
he has at least 25 years and can fucking stop sniper bl;aster fire in fucking mid air, not even Vader could do that
get the fuck outta here
>>63997175
>not even Vader could do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH6YVHGh90
Confirmed for little child.
>>63997031
Why must Rey have much more potential? If they are both grandchildren of Vader what is it exactly that makes Rey superior? Plot armour?
It still comes down to the fact that you had a trained Force user against one that didn't even know for sure if the Force existed until Han Solo told her hours before. They can throw in the fact that Kylo Ren being shot by the Wookie superblaster explains why he lost the lightsabre fight, but he was getting overpowered before that anyway. I don't care how insecure he is, a trained person does not get outmatched by a complete novice with zero experience.
>>63997239
especially considering they should have similar potential and the fact he has training
>>63997140
It's second only to the battle between Luke and Vader in ROTJ imo
>>63997239
>Why must Rey have much more potential?
Rey isn't trying to be dark and edgy like Kylo so she isn't conflicted
>>63997239
His purpose was not to kill Rey. He needed her alive to get in her mind and retrieve the map, since BB-8 was gone. He even tries to seduce her to the dark side.
>>63997229
To be fair, Vader just took it in his hand. He didn't stop the damn thing.
>>63997239
What about when that trained person is incredibly insecure and prone to unrestrained fits of rage?
>>63997292
Vader doesn't give a fuck about showing off though
God, is /tv/ retarded or just pretending?
>kylo was severe injured
>Finn had been trained for combat is entire life, ofc he can survive one minute againts a jedi/sith who is about to pass out
>Rey didnt have an epyphany or shit. She concentrated and felt the Force. That's the shit you need to actually fight with a lightsaber
>Again, Kylo was about to die from his blaster shoot
>>63997172
You've chosen to embrace terrible, lazy storytelling and have swallowed whatever explanation these hacks have thrown at you. That just makes you a gullible fool, and pretending I'm being "dishonest" or have some kind of agenda, when I'm just expressing my personal perspective, makes shows you up as the immature brat you are.
Enjoy the rest of your shitty trilogy, faggot.
>>63997292
Yes, which makes it even more badass. You literally deflect blaster shots with your hands instead of stopping a shot momentarily that will proceed when you walk away.
>>63997229
>stopping in mid air
>hitting his hand
go be a nigger someplace else
>CHEWIE YOUR BOWCASTER SHURE IS POWERFUL, I'VE ONLY JUST NOTICED AFTER 50 YEARS FOR SOME REASON
>HEY STORMTROOPER IOM GONNA TRY A MIND TRICK ON YOU EVEN THO I DONT KNOW WHAT A MIND TRICK IS, I THOUGHT THE FORCE WAS A MYTH UNTIL ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO YOU SEE
Bravo Ibrahim
>>63997329
Your "personal perspective" is based off ignoring the clear hints that were dropped throughout the film that clearly explain the "issues" you have totally invented with the film. I'm sorry you can't allow yourself to enjoy anything simply because it's a blockbuster. Shit, the original trilogy was hardly fucking cerebral.
What a fucking ponce.
>>63997351
>Falling for Kylo's showboating
>>63997351
Hold on to moronic technicalities all you want, you've proven that you're autistic and that you don't know shit about Star Wars.
>>63994593
No it was good.
Better than all of the prequel fights.
Better than new hope even.
>>63997390
Movie sucks, fuck my life when now I like the prequels over this steamy pile of elephant shit
>>63995625
>>character embraces the dark side and becomes more powerful
But she was closing her eyes and finding serenity. She was not specifically embracing the dark side.
>>63997327
It's legit. This shit has been going on since the fucking movie came out.
>>63997411
That is why I wrote in mid air you nigglet, I could have just said with his hands, you HPD imbecilic fuck
>>63994834
>>63995013
Why does everybody always forget that the guy she's fighting just got shot in the chest with an exploding crossbow bolt? Also he got cut in the arms and legs by Finn. He's all kinds of fucked up. A 3 year old child could probably beat him iin that scenes by lightly pushing him over
>>63996187
>ZERO training or experience
it's fucking obvious she was trained by her dad. Ben went berserk, killed younglings, Luke hid Rey and exiled himself so no one would find out that his daughter is alive.
>>63997520
They don't forget. They just choose to ignore it so they can justify their misplaced angst.
>>63997544
>Ben went berserk, killed younglings
Except he and Rey are close in age. I don't think Kylo was killing kiddos at age ten.
>>63994593
the lightsaber battles are finally good. they take the style from the OT (past a new hope) but add a lot of impact to the attacks via sound and effects.
>>63996230
Except its fucking retarded to swing your lightsaber like a fucking drunken retard when you can augment your body with Force and do the ninja shit. Ren could have killed them both in seconds that way. Anyway, you're watching a space fantasy with samurai wizards and you want realistic fighting?
Miss me yet?
>>63997618
He did not want to kill Rey. Stop conveniently ignoring arguments that prove you're wrong.
>>63997641
no, you were stylish but had 0 personalility
>>63997520
They did allude the crossbow bolt stuff right? I think 3 times in the movie of how powerful it is?
He might have a whole in his stomach, to which he was punching himself as well thinking that pain makes him more powerful.
Her overpowering Ren at the end made sense.
>>63997390
But Rey clearly knows what a jedi mind trick is, that's why she tried to use it.
>>63997670
>They did allude the crossbow bolt stuff right? I think 3 times in the movie of how powerful it is?
this. the movie specifically showed multiple times how strong it is AND reminded the audience that he is hurt by him beating himself and blood coming out.
at one point I thought they were overdoing it to show he's heavily wounded, but so many people stil don't seem to get it, they souldve made him shout "THE ONLY REASON YOU STROKE ME DOWN WAS BECAUSE I WAS WOUNDED"
>>63997390
>I THOUGHT THE FORCE WAS A MYTH UNTIL ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO YOU SEE
if she obviously knew about the force, even thikning it's a myth, it's anything but a strech to assume she's heard of jedi mind tricks aswell
>>63996519
>>63996780
>it's not about the fight! it's muh emotion!
This is what OTfags actually delude themselves into thinking.
>>63997641
Literally an object designed to look cool and use a unique weapon. Darth Maul isn't a character. I'd say he's a robot but the robots in Star Wars have far more character than Maul did.
Why did the interplanetary weapon become a dorf star?
Considering every time it shoots, it consumes a star, wouldn't it be a single time use weapon unless you could move the whole thing?
Why was it still light when the star went poof?
How do two whites result in a curry?
Why couldn't they just go to destination, considering they already had the system and planet where Luke was?
Weren't storm troopers clones?
That scottsman gang leader was pretty good, though.
>>63994830
It's a good thing you don't watch movies at 1 fps.
>>63997390
Rey knew about the force and she knew about luke skywalker, it's not a stretch of any imagination to suggest she's heard of jedi mind tricks. Even that jew elephant thing had heard of them, they're not exactly a secret
>>63996571
I wonder if there has been a woman sith?
>>63997641
I wish he could have been in more movies.
>>63997789
You don't understand movies. Go watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, there's plenty of flying ninjas there.
>>63997789
It isn't about the fight. That's plainly obvious if you watch the fucking movie.
>>63997802
Considering the role he played as slave assassin, I think his character is perfect.
He's the ultimate slave of Sidious and fills the role of silent assassin. Him not talking much, especially the people he is fighting, adds to his intimidation factor.
>>63997641
How can I miss what isn't dead
>>63997814
not in the movies so far but if Darth Bane does remain canon, his apprentice is a woman.
>>63997802
>>63997882
If you consider only the theatrical release movies, who is more of a shitty almost-silent background character thats meant to be badass but doesn't quite manage it:
Boba Fett or Darth Maul?
I wanted to throw this idea around with you guys as this is what I saw from the movie.
I think Disney changed large parts of the movie mid-production, that is the only reason the glaring continuity flaws make sense to me.
The beginning of the movie was set up for Finn to become a Jedi and Rey to become the next version of Han Solo.
Both characters had excellent build up: Kylo sensed Finn's connection to the Force at the very first scene of the film and continued from there on out, Rey obviously wanted to leave her planet and find her parents.
Suddenly Rey is a force-user for no reason and Kylo shifts all attention to her, even though everyone on his ship was talking about capturing Finn for the first quarter of the film. Then Rey's motivation suddenly changes with one line of cheap, shitty dialogue about wanting to go back to Jakku and wait for her parents, despite being shown in two consecutive scenes that she wants to fucking leave Jakku for good.
What's really bugging me is that I'm not sure if it was Disney who did it or JJ.
>>63997955
Fair point, I'll give it to you.
>>63995857
>The newer they are, the stronger they are
Isn't that kind of how life really works?
Athletes today would mop the floor with ones in the past. People are always finding ways to do something better, or more efficient.
Imagine the first decade of hockey players in their prime, against the new decade of hockey players in their prime.
The first ones wouldn't stand a fucking chance.
Students are meant to overcome their masters. Thats the one job of a teacher.
It's really not if you recognize that even though the odds were evened out by Kylo being wounded, AND that Kylo was on the offense most of the time, with Finn and Rey frantically trying to block his swings.
But Rey's 30 second call to the force was retarded.
>>63997955
Maul is worse
Boba speaks a small amount, enough to get a basic gauge of his personality. And he also gets shit done that negatively impacts our main characters
When maul is revealed they're straight into a lightsaber duel where he dies straight away, I don't think he even speaks once
>>63997726
/tv/ is retarded
>>63997395
It's kind of hard to ignore the hints, son. Han Solo suddenly creaming himself over a weapon he's seen being used for half a century stuck out so much I wondered why the fuck he was going on about it. There are no other hints other than that. There are no hints that explain why a girl suddenly starts out mindfucking a trained Force user or using Obi Wan's mind tricks out of nowhere.
>>63994593
Star wars the force awakens was trash
>mary sue protagonist
>awkward chemistry between han solo and leia that was merely for nostalgia fags
leia should have been killed off. No one wants to see some ugly old woman hug han solo
>too much cgi(like always in these kinds of films)
it looked like a fucking video game in some scenes. people whine about the revenge of sith looking like a video game. This movie was no different.
>ugly cgi alien characters
>the uninteresting villains (like that kylo ren emo-faggot (who is just like anakin skywalker in the prequels) and his master who looks like he came out of the movie prometheus)
>luke skywalker continues to train jedi and such even though jedi can possibly become siths and cause suffering and death(this makes luke skywalker a fucking reckless moron in my opinion)
>kylo ren likes darth vader as if he died a sith lord at the end of return of the jedi
how did he get darth vader's mask btw? i am pretty sure luke burned that shit.
>directed by jj abrams who ruined star trek
>>63997955
Boba fett. Darth maul actually killed Quii Gon. Darth maul is sadly underused. But I understand why he had to die. He ultimately was an inferior second in command than Dooku. Dooku was more cunning, wise, knowledgeable with the force. Sidious basically had to direct Maul as his hand, with Dooku, sidious had someone who he could trust to act on his own.
>>63997804Please respond.
>>63997955
Boba Fett wasn't a shitty character. A lot of his character building was done by showing how he interacted with Vader and how he was actually capable.
>>63998058
I like boba fett better awell, but maul got the cooler death, such a pty how they killed fett off like a bitch
>>63998039
>how did he get darth vader's mask btw? i am pretty sure luke burned that shit.
Yeah... if you look at the picture you posted, you'd see his helmet is melted and charred. Probably because metal doesn't really, you know, burn.
>>63998022
You just havent seen the movie in a while I take it. Maul is first revealed through hologram speaking to the Neumodians. Then later he arrives on tatooine, sends out scooting droids and jumps on his speeder. He fights Quii Gon in the desert. Later on coruscant, he speaks with Sidious. Here, we hear Maul's oddly british and noble accent. Then he fights Quii Gon and Obi wan and is killed.
>>63998022
I agree with you but just for the record:
>Darth Maul: Tatooine is sparsely populated. If the homing trace is correct, I will find them quickly, Master.
>Darth Sideous: Move against the Jedi first. You will then have no difficulty in taking the Queen back to Naboo to sign the treaty.
>Darth Maul: At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.
>Darth Sideous: You have been well trained my young apprentice. They will be no match for you.
Another point though, if we ignore EU shittery, what was the point of Vader summoning all the highly distinct bounty hunters in Ep V? I understand they're trying to show how desperate Vader is, but immediately after that scene they show Boba Fett following the Falcon. Why didn't Vader just hire Boba straight off on his own? I watched it again recently and I remembered that scene but had forgotten how quickly the other Bounty Hunters became irrelevant.
Or was it all just to sell toys?
>>63998092
It looked more like it was calcified as if it were made of bones.
>>63998033
>Obi Wan's mind tricks
Luke and Quigon both use/attempt to use mind tricks, and the civillians they use it on are aware that they exist. They're not obi-wan's secret weapon that nobody knows about, it's straight out logical that they're part of the legend that's developed regarding jedis and the force
>>63998117
Han Solo is a smuggler and a lowlife, like the bounty hunters hired by Vader. He probably thought they'd better at thinking like a smuggler than the Empire, and harder to see coming.
>>63997804
>Why did the interplanetary weapon become a dorf star?
Because it absorbed a star and they destroyed its macguffin that kept the energy stable, thus the energy got out and was a star.
>Considering every time it shoots, it consumes a star, wouldn't it be a single time use weapon unless you could move the whole thing?
They probably move the whole thing, then.
>Why was it still light when the star went poof?
So you could see what was happening in the film.
>How do two whites result in a curry?
Leia cucked Han.
>Why couldn't they just go to destination, considering they already had the system and planet where Luke was?
They explicitly mentioned BB-8's map being unexplored space - they didn't know where the system fit in the galaxy.
>Weren't storm troopers clones?
No. No Star Wars canon has ever said stormtroopers were all clones.
>>63998089
Yeah his father had a cooler death sequence. We basically got Lucas' giving us what Boba should have been with Jango's fight scenes:
-obi wan vs jango- get to see missle launcher from his backpack, flying and shooting at obi wan, his forearm blades, grappling hook
-dogfight- awesome seens of the modified Slave I and a jedi starfighter going at it
-jango vs windu- flame thrower deployed, gunslinger tier gun spinning, taking down an alien bull
>>63998080
The problem is that the feel we get from him is far less than what we actually see him accomplish on screen.
The entire tone about him is super special bounty hunter that even Vader trusts to get the hard jobs done, but all he does well on camera when we see him is track the Falcon. Then he just hangs around Jabbas palace and gets eaten.
There's a disconnect between what he's intended to be and what we see him do, and the only way to get around that would be to have shown him do some epic bounty hunt on camera, but that would in turn have been stupid because he's a background character and that would have detracted from the movies.
And if they had gone for adding a line of "Boba Fett! The galaxy's most feared bounty hunter with over 1000 confirmed kills!" that would have been even worse.
>>63998133
I know karate exists, doesn't mean I can chop through wood and flying kick people in the head
>>63998108
fair point, although ultimately the point I made about boba fett negatively impacting the heroes more still stands. And boba's limited lines of dialogue do a better job of establishing his personality than >>63998117 does with maul
>>63998092
if it were metal, it wouldn't be damaged as it is. it looks like it is made out of plastic
>>63998188
>They probably move the whole thing, then.
But it shot. Twice.
From the same place.
>They explicitly mentioned BB-8's map being unexplored space - they didn't know where the system fit in the galaxy.
Han only mentioned that it was part of the map before going on about how jedi and the force are real.
>>63998159
I understand that all; but the bounty hunters aside from Boba became immediately irrelevant after that scene.
I suppose its one of those things thats meant to show what a big galaxy it is with all these varied people, but I guess it just fucks with my autism. They look so distinct and do nothing.
>>63998218
The only problem with Boba Fett was his shitty death for a few giggles. Fuck you Lucas
>>63998218
Boba Fett was just a minor character, Lucas has said he had no idea he would be so popular, that's why he is barley seen and gets a shitty death.
>>63998219
if karate was a power inside of you that gave you super strength when you make chopping movements, and you discovered you had that power inside of you, you would be able to to karate damage when you made chopping movements
>>63998219
no but you could attempt it, and after a few tries you might do an okay job, besides a regular stormtrooper is one of the easier targets for a mind trick, so you might not be able to chop through wood but through cardboard
>>63996960
I don't think Ren actually had any combat training. He swings his glow stick wildly with haymaker-esque attacks. He has been getting by with force intuition and maybe force enhanced reflexes. Those advantages were leveled once Rey had her awakening; those attuned to the force can utilize those aspects of it even without training (little boy anakin, Ezra from rebels). Also, Finn was likely the first person Ren ever faced in a lightsaber duel.
>>63998229
>>63998092
maybe its neither.
>>63998300
i think that's rather unlikely since he was in luke's academy but who knows he might not have trained them lightsabers at young age, which could have been one reason for kylo to revolt
>>63996519
What's sad is that I watched the pinklett review of the prequel trilogy yesterday night after seeing it referenced so many times and not only was it shit, but I can now see how everyone just regurgitates what they heard from him. Why do people watch red letter media? Are the other videos much better?
>>63998243
>But it shot. Twice.
>From the same place.
I guess it was already charged? Dunno, they don't explain that explicitly.
>Han only mentioned that it was part of the map before going on about how jedi and the force are real.
I think C-3PO also talked about it in the base.
>>63996000
This anon knows it.You can clearly see what are JJ and Kasdan trying to do in the movie (i mean, it's a fucking star wars movie) and it makes sense but the execution is just wrong. Specially the final act. Also no one can explain why Kylo didn't use force push on Finn like he did on Rey. Kylo just went full retard for the sake of plot and started doing fancy moves while losing blood and then Rey beat his ass.
In fact, he was winning the duel against Rey while losing blood until Rey went Naruto out of nowhere.
>>63998243
>Han only mentioned that it was part of the map before going on about how jedi and the force are real.
Not the guy you are responding too, but they clearly said that the map was in uncharted territory. This was at the resistance base.
>>63998343
>Kylo gets mad that he isn't allowed to train with lightsabers so he makes his own edgesaber and kills all the students
Makes sense
>>63998343
My guess is that kylo was the best student there, and snoke seduced him with a 'you're better than all of them, why are you stooping to their level, I can make you greater' trick
>>63998293
Not to mention she failed quite a few times on that partciular storm trooper
>You will untie my restrains and leave the door unlocked
>what....
>you will untie my restrains and leave the door unlocks
>I will tighten your restraints, scavenger scum
>you will untie my restrains and leave the door unlocks
>finally worksThat stormtrooper was Daniel Craig
>>63998366
>>63998243
maybe the thing operates like this:
the starkiller base is a planet thus orbiting a sun, but after charging, the sun is gone thus no longer orbiting but freely floating, then it canbe manuvered into another sun's orbit.
to be charged again and attack from else where
>>63998355
Don't be silly people were criticising the prequels for a full decade before Plinkett came along
>>63998389
was that sarcastic? it kinda does make sense, especially given his temper
Nah, Doodu vs. Anakin and Obi Wan and Yoda will always be the worst.
>>63994718
Why didn't this whole fucking army just shoot him dead?
But yeah, prequels so far are still a million times better than this 7 nostalgia cash grab.
>>63998396
I always figured he was the worst and Snoke offered him a way to be better
>>63998446
100% serious. I just wanted to say edgesaber
>>63998463
>prequels so far are still a million times better than this 7 nostalgia cash grab.
When will this meme die.
>>63998355
>not only was it shit
Prequel apologist detected.
>>63994718
>that Geralt mediating
>>63998480
Once the b8 stops workingIt wont
>>63994834
Can't put in words how retarded it is that Rey is already this good with the force and the sword after a few minutes.
Those movies are already shit. Please tell me it has less than a 7 on IMDB. Please.
>>63998463
The prequels are better than nothing.
>>63998427
Doesn't really matter desu because it's just a generic "evil doomsday weapon" and the point is that it's menacing, not that you understand every technical aspect of its operation. As long as there's nothing conspicuously immersion-breaking about how it works, the film has done its job.
>>63996519
>Implying the lightsaber batter between Ben and Vader is about the swordsmanship.
Actually it is. Actually it is the only fight in 7 movies that features some actual swordsmanship. And actually it is probably the single least emotional fight in all 7 movies too.
>>63998355
>Why do people watch red letter media?
I personally dont mind them but I was surpirised to see why tv would care. they liked hunger games.
>>63998531
>/pol/tier image
Thanks for letting me know to ignore you
>>63998537
>And actually it is probably the single least emotional fight in all 7 movies
There is no emotion in any of the prequel fights.
>>63998531
Didn't you read this thread?
Didn't you see everything posted that showed how Ren was completely fucked up before the fight, hindering his ability.
Haven't you thought about maybe she let the darkside in, giving her immense power?
I know you didn't see the movie, because you wouldn't be hung up on this part, but you could at least read the thread you are shitposting in.
>>63997520
anger, fear and pain fuel the darkside. he should have been fighting better if anything.
>>63997347
He has robotic hands
>>63994695
I love how all the apologists just blatantly ignore that obvious shonen manga asspull power-up.
>>63996688
I'll miss the time where we had Star Wars actors that weren't physically retarded and actually looked charismatic and hat chemistry.
Darth Potato, fetal alcohol girl and the nigger who is ugly for nigger standards are such a pain to look at.
>>63998531
>Ben puts the helmet on Luke and tells him to block the training drone's shots
>misses the first one
>immediately gets three in a row right after
>Ben dies
>Luke can immediately hear his voice
>Ben's voice tells Luke to "use the force" and "let go"
>in the span of a minute he somehow makes a perfect shot without a targeting computer that a much more experienced pilot with a targeting computer missed
>>63997813
>that jew elephant thing
lolololol
>>63998589
>Replying to /pol/tards
Stop it
>>63998589
I watched it and she shouldn't be this good, especially with the force without any fucking training at all anyway. Have you actually watched the original trilogie where Luke, the son of Anakin, had to train with /Yoda/ for days to lift a stone?
God, I wish J.J. Abrams fags would just drop dead.
>>63998590
>anger, fear and pain fuel the darkside
lead to the dark side, no one knows if you are in pain, it'll actually increase your powers. Seems kind of stupid, if you think about it.
You are forgetting the fact that he was horribly conflicted, and had just killed his own father. Kid wasn't thinking straight.
>>63998603
Rey doesn't look bad and Kylo isn't too ugly with his ears hidden.
Finn and Darth Potato are an eye sore though.
>>63998603
>looked charismatic
I would prefer they acted charismatic tbqh
And there was plenty of chemistry between finn and rey and finn and poe
>>63998343
That is exactly it. I don't think Luke taught any combat skills. Kylo clearly did not learn how to build a lightsaber from Luke because it is a messy piece of shit. Once he got ahold of his junksaber, he was able to easily kill all the other unsuspecting, and unarmed, students while Luke was somewhere else.
>>63998615
>Ben dies
>Luke can immediately hear his voice
That's Kenobi's power, not his.
And nothing about this is as impressive as the shit Rey did.
>>63997967
I'd say Disney. isn't JJ not directing anymore of the films or something?
>>63998640
If you think Rey hasn't received any training, you are fucking stupid.
Her backstory keeps being alluded too, its fairly obvious she had some prior training, or was dumped there because of how powerful in the force she is.
Just because you can't grasp that simple concept, doesn't mean the movie was shit.
>>63998640
>>63998690
A mind trick and some above-average sword swinging is not that fucking impressive.
>>63994645
the relationship between rey and han solo was pretty rushed. I get they were trying to portray rey as desperate for family and clinging to the first father figure she finds, but its still hard to be fully convinced by her anger at kylo ren for killing han solo, especially when both the audience and kylo ren have a much more intimate relationship with han. I think the fight between luke and vader in RotJ was better, but this was a close second.
>>63998623
It's funny, because you're posting an image from one of those unemotional fights.
>>63998671
>le Finn
No, the token comedy black guy is not charismatic, J.J.
Neither is that fucking retarded Spanish guy who is acting awkwardly gay the whole time. The only thing missing was him saying "you have some very mscular arms, Finn."
>>63994612
Its a fight between an old actor and an actor in a heavy suit in a 1977 movie
>>63998591
Robots with robot everything get their shit wrecked by blasters
>>63998735
you seem very insecure, desu
>you have some very mscular arms, Finn."
that's what you ere thinking, huh?
>>63998725
Her force powers were literally better than Ren's in general seeing how she could pull up her sword when Ren was trying the same thing standing right in front of it.
Have you retards actually watched the movie? How can you defend this stinker?
Is everyone on /tv/ 14 years old suddenly?
>>63998641
killing his father was an act to purge the last thing that conflicted him, and anger, fear and pain fuel the dark side. this is why Darth Maul was beating Obi-Wan in episode I until he calmed himself and Maul had nothing to draw strength from. and I know what is and isn't canon is kinda up in the air still but Darth Sion was a charred and broken body fuel by anger and pain.
>>63998765
Not liking awkwardly gay acting and writing that makes no sense at all doesn't make me insecure. I would be even OK with him being gay but this shit just made no sense at all and was way overacted.
>>63994718
As bad as episode 1 is, this fight is easily one of the best in the series.
>>63998779
>calling a movie a 'stinker'
>accusing others of being 14
lol
>>63998779
>suddenly
kek
>>63998779
>how she could pull up her sword when Ren was trying the same thing standing right in front of it.
might have something to do with it being luke's lightsaber and her being lukes daughter. that's at least what I was thinking. generaly his use of the force is far stronger regardless
>>63998374
>In fact, he was winning the duel against Rey while losing blood until Rey went Naruto out of nowhere.
This right here. Despite everyone talking up how worn down he was by this point, he was completely beating her back and had her up against the wall, but she shuts her eyes and all of a sudden he's getting his shit fucked up. Then deus ex geology splits them apart and it's over I guess. What giant fucking cop-outs. The movie completely lost me by this point. You can't tell me it delivered on the climax and that it couldn't have been done any better.
>>63998790
He was still incredibly conflicted about killing his father. You can clearly see he wasn't okay with it, he was still fucked up over that shit.
And if pain fueled the dark side, Vader should have been able to walk around without that suit.
Following that logic, and body wounds done to a sith would be useless, just making them stronger.
Also, official canon list.
Star wars 1-7, Clone wars CGI series, and the new books they just recently started publishing.
>>63998805
Nothing about finn and poe came off as gay
Have you never had a friend who patted you on the back or hugged you before anon?
>>63998742
Of course he used the force, but obviously he is not as sensitive to taking hits.
What Kylo did looked more impressive than catching the shots.
He fucking held them midair while taking his sweet time.
>>63998805
>Men being friendly and affectionate with each other is "awkwardly gay"
Seriously fuck off.
>>63998779
>Her force powers were literally better than Ren's in general seeing how she could pull up her sword when Ren was trying the same thing standing right in front of it.
and thats why she's a mary sue. less than a day after learning that the force is real she uses the force better than Luke after training with Yoda and beats a guy with years of experience in both fighting and the force.
And this is combined with the fact that shes a super techy ace pilot. that stuff was fine but the suddenly using force powers like that with no training or understanding of the force? not to mention, how did she know that the mind trick was a thing? it wasn't Ren because he was just mentally torturing people to break down their mental faculties in order to read their minds.
>>63998809
No, it's not. It's an emotionless dance session with no drama or tension.
>>63998848
>being mad about this
Its happened countless times in star wars.
Fuck, it even happens in ROTJ. Luke was getting his shit pushed in by vader, and he let the force inside him, (just like rey did), and he was able to fuck up vader.
Incidently, its argued that she let the dark side in her, making her more powerful, like it did with Luke.
Please stop being retarded.
>>63994834
She left herself so open when she lifted the saber above her head, why didn't he just slice her ala-Maul like Obi Wan did!?!
>>63998870
You forgot Rebels, which was launched as a Disney property
>>63995324
He got blasted in the chest by a fucking laser cannon that killed everyone else
He's lucky he could beat Finn AT ALL.
He should be fucking wasted
>>63998921
Didn't forget, I just didn't know it existed. New series to watch I guess.Is it shit?
>>63998870
really? I thought I heard that Kotor 1 ,2 and I think Swotor were all canon.
>>63994593
The choreography was good, but the editing/cinematography was dull.
>>63998948
>I thought I heard that Kotor 1 ,2 and I think Swotor were all canon.
nope.
Only the movies, and anything being published by disney is being considered canon.
The only reason Clone wars is still canon, is Disney felt it was such an important thing to star wars.
>>63998946
its alright. much like Episode VII they took a bunch of EU characters and changed them around. also space Aladdin.
>>63998883
The real truth of the matter is Vader does not do that because Lucas or whoever did not think of it at the time. If George was still in charge, there would be a decent chance that is what would happen in ESB: SUPER DUPER SPECIAL EDERPTION [sic]
>>63998615
>>Ben dies
>>Luke can immediately hear his voice
>>Ben's voice tells Luke to "use the force" and "let go"
>>in the span of a minute he somehow makes a perfect shot without a targeting computer that a much more experienced pilot with a targeting computer missed
That was really all Obi-wans work. And its really not as impressive as being able to do a mind trick out of the blue
>>63998740
Any one that has the Duel of the Fates playing.
>>63998987
>being able to use the force to shoot a projectile perfectly into an impossibly small opening where computers couldn't even calculate that shit, while having his eyes closed and saving the galaxy is more impressive than convincing a dump stormtrooper to do something after 3 failed attempts
Nah.
>>63997967
No. Kylo sensed that Finn had a conflict going on inside him, which is why he recognized him after he committedtreason.. His defiance to kill and general disgust at what just happened basically lit up like a bonfire to Kylo since he's force sensetive.
>>63998912
>its argued that she let the dark side in her
And this is why they fucked up. There was no argument about Luke getting angry because it was fucking obvious after he was being provoked, he was beating on Vader's sword, the Emperor fucking pointed it out, and the film makers pointed it out by drawing attention to the robotic hand similarity. Here you get Rey shutting her eyes and Ren giving up for some reason. There's even plot advancement in the OT. Here they just fight for no reason, Rey wins for no reason but Ren isn't killed for no reason. It's just bad execution and overall disappointing. I liked the movie up until the point it failed to deliver anything meaningful.
>>63998911
It does have amazing music
>>63998813
It's such an immature word only le babbies use, right, lol? ;D
>>63998841
Which would make it even worse. And if his use of the force would be much stronger he could just swing her around and end the fight within 10 seconds like he did it before. He didn't, though. So, the writing is actually bad either way.
>>63998879
>Nothing about finn and poe came off as gay
Yeah, making Finn some retarded compliments like "y-you, are so great man, wow, you are so great" and hugging him while just looking into his eyes for several seconds wasn't gay or terribly written at all. Not at all.
And no, I don't have gay, attention-whoring friends.
>>63999044
I grant you that.
>>63999035
So, you are abandoning your previous reason for hating that fight scene, and now coming back with a completely new argument? You are just looking for thins to hate.Don't let the anger flow through you, anon. I yet sense light within you.
>>63998735
>no hips
Are we looking at the same picture?
Also
>bromance is gay
You need some friends homie
>>63998735
>Spanish guy who is acting awkwardly gay the whole time
If Poe turns out to be gay I will literally cum in my pants
>>63999025
The point is that it was Ben who guided Luke. While Rey did it all by herself
>>63999054
>being a homophobe in 2015
>>63999111
What are the chances of Jew Jew including a gay romance between Poe and Finn?
>>63999054
>"y-you, are so great man, wow, you are so great" and hugging him while just looking into his eyes for several seconds wasn't gay or terribly written at all. Not at all.
I don't think we watched the same movie.
Or I think you are repressing your incredibly gay tendencies, and its coming out through how you perceived media.
>>63999111
The Ace Rimmer of Star Wars. What a cool guy
>>63999105
She does have tiny hips
>>63999054
>Yeah, making Finn some retarded compliments like "y-you, are so great man, wow, you are so great" and hugging him while just looking into his eyes for several seconds wasn't gay or terribly written at all. Not at all.
it LITERALLY isn't
Have you never had a friend before anon? Never been praised after doing something right? This is exactly how people act in real life
>>63999128
>The point is that it was Ben who guided Luke
Ben didn't do shit, ben just told him to trust the force, which is exactly what Rey did.
>>63999054
You're either a closet homosexual or have never had a single friend, ever.
>>63999153
You do realise that JJ has nothing to do with 8 or 9 right?
Disney just hired him to restart the franchise and get people excited again
>>63998912
The difference being that Luke was trained at this point and had been using the force for years in and out of combat. He had also become so intimate with lightsabers that he had built his own. In addition Luke had previously lost to Vader, and was witnessing the impending death of all of his friends and family while in the presence of the Emperor. Yet, Luke only embraced the darkside when pushed to the edge by Vader threatening to turn his newly discovered sister. Then, when Luke lets go he wrecks shit in a frenzy.
Rey gets powerful because it's convenient. She's losing bad, until she feels the force and instantly becomes better at everything forever always. She very clearly doesnt go darkside. That's just the same fantheory bullshit that cropped up in the first few weeks following the release of Ep 1 to explain Lucas' shit writing/directing.
>>63999105
>Are we looking at the same picture?
This isn't even the Rey actor, I literally posted some disgusting transgender, i.e. man with a wig and fake tits. And he literally has no hips at all.
Thanks for proving that Episode 7 retards defend fucking everything, no matter how wrong they are.
>>63999105
>>bromance is gay
If it's terribly written with gay vibes, it's bad, yes.
>>63999161
>hips
Maybe but she is a tiny person and she hardly has nothing there
>>63999156
I don't think you watched the movie, too.
>>63999179
>This is exactly how people act in real life
Lol, no you fucking retard, it's not. You should make some friends. I even have many degenerate dudebro and bodybuilding friends who hug each other but they would never stare each other in the eyes and make compliments for half a minute.
>>63999218
>arguing luke was more trained
Realistically, the difference between Luke and Vaders training, is similiar to Ben Ren and Rey at that point.
And it isn't some theory that she lets in the dark side, its pretty fucking apparent. The only difference is we don't have some lizard wizard to tell the dumb audience that she was using the dark side.
>>63999226
Fuck off back to /pol/.
>>63999201
So who will do 8 and 9?
>>63999262
Fuck off back to NeoGAF, heard they love this J.J. Abrams shit.
>>63999094
What? I hate it because it was completely pointless and ineffectual. It's the big clash at the end of the movie, and after the fighting itself proved to be stupid and devoid of any emotion or meaning, the fucking ground opens up and they can't resolve anything, even after Han's death. What was the point? We don't even know if Rey is wavering like Ren was.
>>63999282
>confusing liking a movie, with being in love with the director who will no longer have any impact on the rest of the series
Thats some /pol/ logic there.
>>63999111
What I hated the most about the movie was how he disappeared after the tie fighter crash only to appear inexplicably later in the movie back with the ressistance.
Wouldve been way better if he stuck around with Finn. Him piloting the Falcon through the crashed Star destroyer would make more sense
>>63999111
>If Poe turns out to be gay I will literally cum in my pants
This is the kind of people that like this movie, right?
Wow. He would be the most terribly written character ever in a movie, specifically IF he was gay.
>"he is gay, so let us make him compliment this other man and hug him and stare him into his eyes because, well, he is gay."
Like all gay men would try to fuck all other men simply because they are gay.
>>63999277
Rian Johnson
>>63999300
>What was the point?
I'm going to guess to show that Ben wasn't as far along in his training as he thought, and give him more motive to join Snoke to finish his training. To also establish that Rey might have had prior training, and to build up for the fight in the near future.
>>63999300
Good thing there are two more movies to resolve this! God forbid we have a trilogy with a consistent rivalry between characters.
>>63999255
>stare each other in the eyes and make compliments for half a minute.
That's not what happened in the movie
>>63999301
You should already stay on NeoGAF for just liking this movie, though.
>>63999337
Eat shit, bigot.
>>63999226
>I said it was Rey but I tricked you
Okay dude
I didn't even say it was her
And don't even give a shit about Daisy Ridley
>>63999300
>the fighting itself proved to be stupid and devoid of any emotion or meaning
Are you autistic? Do you need the characters to physically state 'I am angry with you right now' since you don't understand body language?
>>63999317
They do have like a 5 second dialogue where Poe explains that he was knocked unconscious and woke up in the night far away from Finn and the ship. Also remember how far away from the crash Finn landed with a parachute.
>>63994593
Yes, OT had emotion but not technique. PT was all about "more civilized time" with different styles of fencing, and may has been short on emotion side, though i disagree with this plinkettmeme. That one lacks both.
>>63999345
>>63999360
To add to what I've already said, this is one of the reasons why Plinkett and others didn't like the fights in the prequels, because they were too showy and had too little at stake with too little emotional struggle or payoff. The Darth Maul fight gets shit for what it was when it actually had someone die and helped to set up another character, but here it's fine apparently because they're rivals and they have plot armor and the following movies can deal with its shortcomings. Good stuff guys.
>>63999337
Stop acting like a triggered faggot
So, is Snoke actually Darth Plagueis?
>>63999429
>and helped to set up another character
Yeah Obi Wan is so changed after Qui Gon dies, it really shines through in his totally memorable performance in Attack of the Clones.
>>63999429
You didn't forget that Rey just watched him kill Han Solo, a man who was just coming into her life, filling the obvious hole of a father figure.
You think that would give the fight enough emotion, after she had already seen Ben fuck up Finn's back.
How about the fact that Ben was in a complete state of shock, suffering mentally from killing his own father moments ago, and standing on a base where we worked at being completely destroyed.
Nah, not enough for you I guess.
>>63999456
we obviously don't know, but that would be pretty fucking cool. It would be pretty hard to explain how he would have just been hiding all these years from his apprentice. I don't see it happening.
>>63999489
Seriously people are in denial about this scene. It's pretty much perfect.
>>63999429
Mr Plinkett himself Mike Stoklasa said that he liked the lightsaber fight because there was emotional weight to the conflict and their fighting conveyed well the emotions they were feeling at the time
you're just dense and/or weren't paying attention
>>63999525
>It's pretty much perfect.
I wouldn't go that far, but it is a great scene in the movie, and people are too jaded to accept the fact that a new star wars isn't going to turn into the prequels.
>>63994728
Yes, because a lightsaber is as heavy as a medieval longsword. Fuck you, the prequels did the thing flawlessly..
>>63999538
I would go so far as to say it's second to Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi in the rankings of lightsaber duels
>>63999538
Perfect to me means it's free of mistakes, and that nothing could be done to improve the scene.
>>63994834
>leaving herself open constantly
>>63994728
She didn't suddenly learn how to fight, she already knew how to fight. You see her fight people on Jakku, she carries her own weight and defeats two people at once who were trying to steal BB8
Unlike Luke who has to learn it, they straight out establish her as a competent fighter from the getgo. She didn't magically learn how to fight when she realises she has force powers
>>63999111
Who cares, Poe is a badass. Finally a rebel grunt who has a personality. We got TR-8R and Poe.
>>63999560
I'd probably agree. Not many of light saber fights in star wars actually have emotion in them. Anakin vs Obi wan should have been on par with ROTJ, but the fucking ninja moves, and being super humans kind of pulled me out of it. Entertaining to watch, but not really emotionally engaging.
>>63999489
Yeah I should be thankful I got to see people uneventfully bash lightsabers together with absolutely no words about it or anything. Rey feels some responsibility and Ren feels some guilt, both about prior events. I guess I expected too much character development, I don't know what I was thinking.
>>63999258
Vader was conflicted and tired. In Empire Strikes Back he convinces the Emperor to let him convert Luke rather than kill his son. Later, he attempts to convince Luke to help him defeat the Emperor. Vader has no loyalty to the Emperor, and is only fighting Luke because he was told to. He still doesn't want to kill his son. In fact, he can't as evidenced by his turning on Palpatine and sacrificing his own life. Luke never fought Vader seriously. He couldn't, that was the point of Anakins redemption.
Kylo Ren, on the other hand, was presented as an unhinged edgelord who had literally just murdered his father. Mentally, he would fall victim to the in too deep fallacy(like Anakin with the younglings). He would plunge intothe darkside to make the cost with it. Ren fought for real with no hesitation. Rey was simply presented as being that much better than him, that much stronger.
>>63999602
>Not many of light saber fights in star wars actually have emotion in them.
Are we watching the same fucking movies?
>>63994834
>using slow-motion in Star Wars
What the fuck, JJ?
>>63996351
>Why didnt they build an actual arena and breed actual aliens?! Geez, this movie is like so OMG, i am sooooo nerd XD
>>63999612
>I guess I expected too much character development
Nigger
Fucking
What
Out of all the star wars films, the characters in this one go under the most character development in a single film. Holy fuck, you are too stupid to even talk to.
>>63999669
Please go ahead and explain the development then. This is going to be good.
>>63999663
autism
>>63999613
I'm not sure if you are too jaded to see the similarities between the chanters during their fights. Let me point them out.
Keep in mind, I'm comparing them to all the things you just said about vader yourself.
>Vader was conflicted and tired
So was Ben Ren, he had just killed his father, and took a fucking bowcaster to the gut, and had already fought a nigger chimping out. Dude was mentally and physically exhausted.
Han had also just told him that one snoke is done with him, hes going to kill him.
>Later, he attempts to convince luke to help him defeat the emperor
Ben ren does the exact same thing, he tried to get Rey to join him
Go be gay elsewhere now, please.
>>63999668
More like, why didn't they rewrite the entire scene, and also the entire movie, so it could be shot on locations and sets?
>>63999717
They never used it before, and here it looks like something out of a Peter Jackson movie. When Boromir dies or something, only Williams didn't bother to come up with a decent tune do accompany it.
>>63999698
I'm going to give you a very TL;DR version, because fuck sitting here typing out a thesis just for you to brush it off.
>Rey
She was abandonded on a planet as a kid, by who knows the fuck who, and she has been waiting ever since.
She continiously tried to get back to jakku, because she was afraid of leaving her family.
She also was afraid of this new found force, and was scared as fuck to even accept it.
later on she finally lets go of the fact that she was abandoned, and accepts it. She also stops running from the force, and allows it inside her.
>Finn
He was black.
But seriously, he was trainning his whole life to fight for the First Order, and the first battle he goes into, he finally realizes that he was on the wrong side the entire time. At first you think hes some morally just person, but we find out hes a fucking pussy and is lieing every step of the way just so he can get the fuck out of dodge, because he is ungodly terrified of the first order.
He overcomes being a fucking bitch, and directly confronts the scariest motherfucker in the first order to a lightsaber battle. That shit took balls.
>Ben Ren
We seem him first as a vader like character, cool, composed, and in charge.
We slowly start to see hes just a kid who got turned like a faggot
He spends the entire movie trying to convince others, and himself, that he is just like vader, if not better, and he kills his own father to prove it. Hes still terribly conflicted, and majorly gay afterwards.
I look forward to your response.
>>63999669
Yeah....problem is Niggatrooper goes from ptsd to killing his childhood friends in 5 min. Then becomes bffs with SuperCoolNotHanSolo Poe immediately after meeting him.
Rey Skywalker undergoes no growth because she's already awesome at everything: better than a trained soldier at melee, a better pilot that Han fucking Solo, a better mechanic than Chewbacca, and better force user than Not Vader.
Han Solo is completely static.
Chewy is a big dog.
And Not Vader remains completely undeveloped right to the end, despite all the internal conflict monologue/dialogue clumsily attempts to reveal.
Just where is all of that emotional growth and character development?
>>63999757
>not muh prookteekool iffiktz!!!
Kill yourself you bitter cuck.
>>63999864
you mean better mechanic than R2
BB-8 is an astromech he doesn't even get a chance to do any fixing
>>63999698
Kylo becomes progressively less confident and becomes more emotionally unstable and vulnerable, the turning point being when he confronts rey, learns she has force powers, and learns she has met his father, sees him as a father figure and bonded with him in a way that kylo never did (note how this is the point where he takes off his mask, it's symbolism for how he becomes more emotionally vulnerable). On top of this he's feeling conflicted and not entirely committed to the dark side even though he wants to be. He kills his father because he thinks it will make him stronger in the dark side, but all it does is keep him emotionally unstable. On top of the physical wound that chewy gives him from a gun that kills stormtroopers in one shot, this makes him possible to be defeated by rey
Rey started off as lonely from what they later reveal is being abandoned, she's independent and can fend for herself but she's holding out for her parents to come back despite knowing they never will. After leaving jakku she just wants to go back there because she's clinging onto that hope. Maz tries to get her to let go of her past and fight with the resistance, but she 'wants no part in it' and just wants to go home. It's not until she's captured, discovers her force abilities and sees han killed that she actually has an interest in fighting.
hugging leia at the end was a sign of how she had found a new home
1/2
>>63999864
Literally everything you said is wrong.
>>63999942
2/2
Finn starts off as a scared stormtrooper who lacks confidence, and he just wants to run away. When he first escapes he gains some confidence in himself, but he still doesn't want to fight. half way through, he still wants to escape to the outer rim instead of fight back. It's not until rey gets captured that he cares about fighting back. By the time they're on the starkiller, Finn's developed his confidence enough to the point where he's willing to charge at Kylo out of a duty to defeat evil even though he's not capable of defeating him.
Compare how he's ordered by phasma at the start to how he orders phasma around at the end. Poetry.
>>63999864
>a better pilot that Han fucking Solo
This meme is dumb
Rey was more familiar with the changes that had happened to the falcon since han had last saw it, but every time rey starts saying something smart han finishes her sentence since he already knows it too
The only time rey did something han didn't think of was when she ripped the compressor straight off
>>63999860
>Ben Ren
Ren is a title, not a surname
Kylo Ren is his dark side name, his birth name is Ben Solo
>>64000084
Ben Solo
>>64000052
they could have just added a little backstory that rey already worked on and repaired those ships for alien guy so she already knew everything about them
>>64000084
The joke is that Ben and Ren rhyme, and it sounds silly. Most people also refer to him as ren when talking about the movies, or ben. So, ben ren.
I don't actually think his name is Ben Ren.
>>63999732
>Ben ren does the exact same thing, he tried to get Rey to join him
Well, he tries to convince her to join the Knights of Ren, which according to that flashback aren't really an elite +1 group like the Sith were.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't planning a coup.
>>64000125
Doesn't take away from the similarities.
>>64000102
They literally did have a little backstory about her being familiar with the ships there
>>64000159
yeah, that she thinks the falcon is garbage then 5 minutes later she's doing loopty loops in it..
>>63997618
>Anyway, you're watching a space fantasy with samurai wizards and you want realistic fighting
This is exactly why OT fanboys are fucking pathetic. It's wrong to flesh out the universe because it "ruins the mysticism", but having cool frippy ninja fights is "too unbelievable and unrealistic" like make up your fucking mind you waste of skin.
did anyone think in that fight like 2-3 times rey dismembered and killed kylo just to see nope, he's still in one piece
i swear lightsaber blows were as weak and pathetic as the force unleashed
>>64000112
I've seen more people refer to him as Kylo
We don't know much about the Knights of Ren yet, whether they all have a 'Ren' name in the same style as Darth or whether they're 'knights' that come under the command of Kylo Ren
Kylo is also suspsiciously sKYwalker soLO which may or may not be intentional
>>64000198
She called herself a pilot which naturally means she's flown before, she knew enough about the ships in there to consider that one garbage, she knows enough about how ships work to understand why having a compressor on the falcon was a bad idea
Isn't that enough?
>>64000052
Yeah no. These blind fanboy excuses are just fucking dumb.
>well yeah that shit writing is shit but it's not really because in my head there's way more to the story than what's in the movie
Same shit happened with Ep1, Spiderman 3, and Man of Steel.
>>64000241
I didn't coin the term ben ren, its already been pointed out on here, and was used quite heavily on the second day of release.
Guess I'm the only one gay enough to still find it funny.
>>64000238
I thought it was actually good how they showed lightsabers making wounds that weren't just instant dismemberments
>>64000274
no
even the falcon ITSELF was fucking marysued
EVEN in perfect working order there's no way you'll get me to believe you can cold start a starship thats been parked for years *instantly*
>>63999860
Are you fucking serious man? This is like the Plinkett test of character development and you just failed it. All you did was list things that were established about them. I'm asking which established things changed, not which things were revealed sequentially throughout the movie you dumb fuck.
Both Finn and Rey are completely settled with how they're going to live their lives all the way up to and after meeting Maz. Finn wants out and Rey refuses the lightsaber to go home. Then they fight for their lives and people die inconsequentially around them. There is no change of heart in them that leads them to fight or do anything, they only feel a little loyalty to each other and stick together because it's in their mutual interests, all the way to the end. They don't fight Ren to avenge Han or any shit like that, they're fucking trying to escape and they run into him. The ONLY development you could argue would be Rey going to see Luke or Ren feeling guilt about his father, and that's not even a significant leap for him. So you have Rey leaving Jakku and there's not even any personal impetus. Big fucking whoop.
>>64000141
It does when Vader's motivation was to defeat the big bad and set things right, while Benny just wanted a pet/prize.
>>64000331
look at >>63999942 >>63999993 then
>>64000331
The plinkett test is describing characters without using their occupation or appearance, not about character development
>>64000367
Don't bother niglet, hes way too contrarian for his own good. Hes looking for something to hate.
Star Wars 7 is /tv/s version of ToR. They just want it to sink.
>>64000331
>Plinkett test
what kind of bulshit leftist shit is this now?
all i can google is forum posts .. you SJWs should have the decency of making a wikipedia page before you start spewing your new bullshit of the month...
