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The cucking of Matt Smith edition
>>63739203 has been deleted by the Cybermen
Everything after Series 7 takes place in another universe.
Starting with Asylum of the Daleks, the show takes place in a new reality where the classic series and series 1 to 6 of the new series never happened, at least not the way we saw them. The presence of the Great Intelligence and the multiple splinters of Clara fundamentally alters huge parts of the Doctor's past. So, hats off to Steven Moffat....he's chucked the past out the window; we're essentially watching a different show.
>>63740371
>mods deleting threads
/who/ BTFO?
>>63740389
>copying posts from GB
>"We're already moving," said Moffat of the new season. In fact, he said "We've had meetings today with two writers who've never written 'Doctor Who' before." Moffat wouldn't name names for fear of brain-explosion, saying only that they are "brilliant, prominent and amazing writers."
Peter Jackson confirmed?
>>63740651
Reminder Liam and Olivia are the names of the next companions according to a spoiler hound.
>>63740668
gr8 b8 m8
RUNNIN RUNNIN RUNNIN RUNNIN RUNNIN
>>63740734
stop
Series 7 is my favourite now because after years of being Moffucked for so long before and after it I prefer unambitious mediocricity.
>>63740668
No they're not.
>>63741000
That's a weird opinion anon.
>>63741092
Maybe it's not my favourite favourite now, but it was fairly down to Earth without overwhelming epic crap. Even finale was rather subdued. And even arc happened to mostly make sense.
Im kinda bummed the Christmas episode is going to be so goofy (or at least thats what I get form that godawful preview) after the season end that was so sad.
>>63741140
If not for River Song, I'd be excited for the same reason.
>>63741127
At least it's consistent. Consistently mediocre.
Every other series has at least one amazing episode in.
i feel way better about the new sonic now
get hype
Ugh, when are we getting a new doctor? Getting kinda sick of an old white man -_-
>>63741237
0/10 very lazy m8
>>63741164
Probably the reason I don't like the tone even more, River Song has become to over played I kinda whish they would give me a break and bring back Rose.
>>63741140
whenever I see previews or images it reminds me of voyage of the damned which I think is awful
who knows though, maybe it'll be okay.
>>63741260
>give me a break and bring back rose
Why would you want Rose back? That sounds even worse than River imo.
>>63741289
>>give me a break and bring back rose
>Why would you want Rose back? That sounds even worse than River imo.
Hyperbolic statement to point out that the over use of said character is as bad as the previous over used "special unique tumblr girl".
That said I didn't mind Clara, but I also like how they ended her story. They need to add a few male character to balance out the super special snow flakes, I'd love another Time lord to travel with him.
>>63740668
Lol, the royals crossover!
How many times is /who/ going to have to be deleted before you autistic cunts get the fucking message?
You ruined something that used to be good, well fucking done.
>>63741484
I thought you were leaving?
Hello again.
R.I.P /who/
>you will never have a stick this far up your butt
How the fuck is Robot Of Sherwood a "jump the shark" moment. It's just a mediocre Gattis episode which we get almost every series. You should have quit after Unquiet Dead.
>>63741518
I think you've got me confused with someone else you worthless shitposter.
>>63741518
If anon left there would only be trips, that would be awful.
>>63741547
Ratings have dropped for one simple reason: lack of promotion. The BBC think just because it's Doctor Who people will tune in. You need to still promote it!
Having a trailer have the words "same old, same old; the Doctor and Clara Oswald in the TARDIS" doesn't help. Why should viewers tune in if it's the same old shite?
Just listened to Doom Coalition: The Satanic Mill.
What a load of rubbish. Edward Collier? Is this a psuedonym for Nicholas Briggs? The story certainly felt like one of his runarounds. Superweapon's going to destroy the universe, the Doctor's tied up, Deus Ex Machina saves the day, Time Lords look puzzled.
>>63741634
Ratings are dropping because TV is getting less popular. It's hard to compete with things that don't require you to be glued to one spot at pre-determined time.
Doctor Who has pretty impressive percentage, it's like 20% of people who watch TV at all or something.
>>63741634
To be fair, it does work though: even with lower ratings the bbc is writing off millions in advertising and still getting sustainable millions in viewing figures
>>63741691
I have no idea what happened in this episode because audios that split between many locations easily confuse me.
#BringBackRTD
>>63741735
As soon as stellar manipulators were mentioned, the story became garbage.
>>63741706
If you look at the relative rating for prime time Saturday Dr Who is doing shit. Stop deluding yourself.
>>63741634
Possibly. There's a probably a number of factors that led to a decrease for S9. I think christmas will get better ratings since it airs at 5 and has River. That GB thread is cancer though, full of people equating their personal opinions onto the show as to why the ratings are down. "I thought X was shit so that's why they're down."
>>63741806
6M is pretty good though.
Most shows don't even get close to that.
>>63741634
So is the problem lack of promotion or the fact it's the same old shite?
>>63741831
Lack of promotion and the trailers that they do use don't exactly sell the series in a positive light.
>>63741820
Doctor Who is getting worse viewing figures than the news. Think about that.
>>63741866
Worse viewing figures than Pointless.
>>63741484
Did it get deleted or just expire out of inactivity?
/who/ I think is fine as an eternal general since it's not just a television and every month has a few new things drop (audios, comics, books, etc.). Plus there's 50+ years of the show to still discuss. It's not like /got/ where there was just the show as it ran, and the books.
>>63741866
>>63741896
I think the final figures are better than Pointless.
Haven't heard about the news though. What type of ratings are BBC news getting?
>>63741634
Absolutely agree. They need to sell the show more. I think the show is as good as it's ever been, but you can't just bank on the name, there's soooo much good TV these days that shows will just be drowned out without either a ) good promotion, b) good word of mouth, c) both.
>>63741939
I think for series 10, they need to move it back to before Strictly Come Dancing.
It's too late after Strictly and a lot of children aren't watching it.
Anyone want to discuss Only the Monstrous? Just finished it.
Liked the Innocent a lot.
Disliked The Thousand Worlds quite a bit.
Was meh on The Heart of the Battle, liked it more now I listened to the Behind the Scenes and heard Briggs explain it a bit.
In general I think it was a bit of dud - you have Sir John Hurt, can you not try to rope in Shearman or something? Should have started with a real classic. I know saying "write a classic" is absolutely useless, but wasting John Hurt on drinking juice and saying nonsense about the Null Zone was silly.
The actual ideas behind the volume were pretty good, and the War Doctor and Ollistra gave good performances of course, but yeah bit of a dud in my opinion.
Why did Engines of War, the 50th, and Only the Monstrous all refuse to really make the War Doctor particularly...bad? War-y? The seventh doctor is noticeably more manipulative and 'evil'. Really hoping future volumes give us more details on the War Doctor was shunned by all the other Doctors. Apart from shooting those innocents around the Dalek ships, he didn't do much that bad.
>>63741866
>>63741896
>>63741924
Series 9 was an abomination and I sincerely hope Moffat is blacklisted when he leaves for not having groom a replacement by this point. He really is a shit.
>>63741939
What type of promotion are you suggesting they do instead?
>>63741992
I think they are. Both Moffat and Capaldi said it should air earlier.
>>63742016
lol go to bed davies
>>63741691
I don't get why people harp on briggs like he's big finish's worst writer. I mean, sure he has an occasional hiccup(particularly with his dalek stories); but for the amount of stories he writes a good 85% are good or better.
Not only that but he has the goddamned decency to leave the companions dead. I mean, maybe I have lower standards than others(what do you guys want anyways, a Shearman season? His flaws will come out as well) but a competent producer who doesn't feel the need to fuck around with open endings or leaving people alive just pointlessly undeveloped? I'll take 50 dalek runarounds in a row before I watch another Journey's End.
>>63741992
Totally agree
>>63742025
>What type of promotion are you suggesting they do instead?
I'd literally be happy with just...MORE of it. It's barely promoted.
But in terms of specifics, the trailers should be more newbie-friendly. Also, much as I like lines "same old same old, the Doctor and Clara Oswald in the TARDIS", that is a fucking godawful nightmare of a trailer line. "Same old" excites nobody new.
>>63742033
Briggs is very average a lot of the time but he's hardly a bad writer yeah, some of his stories are tops. But Only the Monstrous was a real dud IMO.
I think you're overstating his skill though. His stories are incredibly repetitive. The same dull war stories, the same particle nonsense. I absolutely adore some of his stories, but he really is frighteningly repetitive.
>>63742025
Can't stawman those ratings anon
>>63742033
My big problem with Briggs is less that he's an average writer, it's just that he writes so much. Half of the FDAs are by him, all of the War Doctor set so far, the beginning of Dark Eyes. It's always almost always the same - a rehash of the Dalek Invasion of Earth with particles.
It's like if Mark Gatiss wrote 50% of all of NuWho. He's not a bad writer, but he's painfully average.
>>63742016
lol season nine was objectivity the worst series
>>63742091
Yeah that was probably a bad line to put in the trailers. Still though, I thought those were good trailers. The cinematography looked nice and they showed some cool scenes. I'm probably the wrong person to ask though since i'm not even close to a casual viewer.
>>63742110
Yeah this is a good way to put it. His voice (like writing voice, not VA voice) isn't bad or anything, but it's a bit overwhelming when it dominates so much of Big Finish's output.
Do BF get new writers in much?
>>63742165
I actually loved the trailers anon, but the trailers shouldn't be for you and me yeah because like you said, we're not casual viewers. We already watch the show. Ratings can't go up by appealing to current fans, they need to grab new people.
I'm expecting good promotion for Series 10 since Moff said he's designing it as a new jumping in point (like Rose or The Eleventh Hour).
>>63742189
>since Moff said he's designing it as a new jumping in point (like Rose or The Eleventh Hour).
Did he actually say that? I remember him saying something similar like but not sure he outright said that.
>>63742161
I don't know about that, as bad as it was it didn't have Danny Pink doing a matrix flip over a killed robot
>>63742221
He did and said thinking back on it he thinks every new companion episode should be like that. I can dig up the quote if you don't believe me, I think it was in a Radio Times interview
>>63742007
I have to disagree, I quite liked the box set. But I think it all comes down to perspective:In day of the doctor, war was characterized as someone who is the doctor, just with the volume nob all the way turned up, for lack of a better analogy. He was far from the time lord victorious idea, and the idea to separate him was that he was the one you could push into a corner and instead of a tardis materializing around something and saving the day, he'd just blow things up.
Psychologically, its a reversal, because while other doctors seem to wander around until they hit a switch that traps the enemy into both getting what they want but blows them up of their own volition, the war doctor gets backed into a corner and ends up blowing someone else because he makes the undoctor-y choice.
Backed into a corner hurt blows up ships containing daleks hiding behind children, he kills the innocent scientists in the mineshaft, he has ptsd not from doing horrible things, but because he has to fight his own nature, getting cynnical and snarky because he is furious to have to fight himself to do what is necessary. He's still a doctor, still elbowing against the constraints of gallifrey and only helping where he feels like it instead of joining at the beginning of every doctor.
And when you take that perspective I feel like the stories were very successful. I just wish part 1 wasn't so disconnected from 2 and 3.
>>63742189
Well, they got Edward Collier in to write the last part of Doom Coalition 1, which is an odd choice. You'd want to give a new writer something simple, rather than tying up an arc.
Who Edward Collier is no-one knows. No interviews done with him on the extras or in the Big Finish magazine. Is it a fake name for another writer?
>>63742255
That's pretty odd.
>>63742248
Good points anon. My problem isn't so much with the self-contained characterisation of the War Doctor, as much as how he fits into the larger characterisation of the Doctor as a whole. It makes no sense to me why the Doctor shuns this one incarnation who is so very clearly - at least from Only the Monstrous, the 50th, and Engines of War - not as 'evil', 'destructive' or 'manipulative' as the Seventh or even Tenth Doctor.
They take the most interesting parts of his characterisation, everything you said, and give it, what, a quarter of the entire volume? Maybe a fifth? The majority is dedicated to...juice. Null Zone. Dalek plotting. It just feels like an enormous waste to me. There is such a great, fantastic story there, so much potential, screaming to be let it out, and it's suffocating under sci-fi nonsense (Null Zone, drills, etc.), Time Lord nonsense (Serratrix and Ollistra the only interesting ones of the six or seven we are subjected to), and just plain filler.
I'm quite excited about Vol 2 as it features 3 different writers so we might get more different takes, but as it stands the War Doctor jsut feels like a WASTE to me if all his stories are going to ignore, or barely focus on, the actual unique parts of his character.
>>63742110
I think thats just based off what he sees as pet projects. I mean,pre-dark eyes everyone seemed to love briggs(you find me someone who pre-dark eyes thought the 8th doctor adventures briggs stories werent good. I'll find you someone who liked Fear Her quicker. Probably on tumblr).but he dips his hands into projects he gets excited about and can't look at them as objectively(Like Bryan Singer's Superman Returns of which he is a huge superman fan vs his x-men movies, of which he'd never read before starting the movie).
But I think when he has someone like Alan Barnes to look over his shoulder like he did during the EDAs, he's really good. But its telling that the FDAs he produces he craps out on his own stories.
>>63740371
>capaldi isn't actually kissing alex
he's so pure, he really does love that wife of his
moffat brought back douglas adams from the dead
hes writing a capaldi episode
>>63741547
is this guy actually for real or is he being ironic? Because this is exactly the kind of post that would be bait on 4chan
rewatching nuwho, finished series 6, should I ki Doctor, Widow and the Wardrobe? It's shit and I seen it maybe twice now, so should I just jump straight into Ass of the Daleks?
>>63742553
Good bait is always meant to look like a real thing.
>>63742574
Just watch the last scene
>>63742574
Watch the last 2 min or so of Wardrobe, cause the moment with the Ponds is nice. Then watch Pond Life. Then Ass of the daleks.
>>63742574
Skip it. It's the worst of the Christmas specials and there's nothing worth it in there.
Probably Moffat's worst story, actually.
>>63742613
>Probably Moffat's worst story, actually.
I hate doing the whole comparing RTD and Moff complaining thing, but I think this story is the perfect example of the difference:
Moff uses sci-fi trickery to bring the dad back to life
RTD would have kept the dad dead and had the Doctor comfort the family
Moff can do great character writing, and is sooo much better at plotting, but RTD just wrote character and family stuff much more realistically.
>>63742613
>It's the worst of the Christmas specials
It's pretty bad and maybe the worst Moffat story but I think End Of Time takes that award imo.
>>63742691
>Moff [...] is sooo much better at plotting
It's hard to choose between bad plotting and no plotting, but I'm partial to RTD's lack of it.
>>63742494
Nothing impure about a cheek kiss, he lands those on Jenna all the time.
>>63742609
>>63742610
Hey the one scene with 11 and the Mom are good.
>>63742691
Eh. I could see RTD bringing the dad back to life imo.
>>63741896
To be fair, Pointless is fucking GOAT and objectively the better show of the two right now.
/who/ here has watched TFA?fuck /tv/ memes, the movie was fun and nowhere near as much of an IV rehash as it's being made out to be
>>63742814
granny pls
>>63742830
>37 seconds
Yeah, fuck off Bradley.
>>63742822
Please keep discussion of that movie to one of the many, many threads on it mate. Please don't bring it here. This is Doctor Who.
>>63742766
>Hey the one scene with 11 and the Mom are good.
True
>Eh. I could see RTD bringing the dad back to life imo.
Agree to disagree matey :)
>>63742613
>Probably Moffat's worst story, actually.
Not Hell Bent
>>63742033
>but for the amount of stories he writes a good 85% are good or better.
That was true until 2011, much less so since the Fourth Doctor adventures started. Since then, he wrote at least two episodes each season, and most of them have been pure, unadulterated boredom, with nothing but the most basic Seventies (or Sixties, in Return to Telos' case) nostalgia to carry them.
Even Gatiss, arguably the most nostalgic and unimaginative writer of the new series, tried to make a different kind of story in Sleep No More.
I just can't understand how someone could write 12 episodes of a series and still manage to say almost nothing of value. And it's not only about the 4DAs, The Defectors in the Main Range was exactly the same kind of shit, and I'm ready to bet that his Early Adventure with the Cybermen coming out in January will be like that too.
>Not only that but he has the goddamned decency to leave the companions dead. I mean, maybe I have lower standards than others(what do you guys want anyways, a Shearman season? His flaws will come out as well) but a competent producer who doesn't feel the need to fuck around with open endings or leaving people alive just pointlessly undeveloped?
Briggs wrote only one final story for a companion, To the Death. And it was great. But it was one story. As for Big Finish never fucking up a companion's departure, I'm guessing you haven't heard the last few Hex stories.
>I'll take 50 dalek runarounds in a row before I watch another Journey's End.
Even if I hated Journey's End and Hell Bent, they still inspired strong reactions in me. They made me think about them. The only reaction I had after Energy of the Daleks or Zygon Hunt was "Well, that's one hour of my life I will never get back".
>>63742613
How would you all rate the specials?
For me probably as follows
>GOAT
A Christmas Carol
>Great
Runaway Bride (Cause Donna, no other reason)
Time of The Doctor (Thought it was a good send-off for Smith, and back when I disliked Smith, this was the episode that made me realize I was gonna miss him)
>Decent
End of Time part 1 (BASED WILF, Shitty Simm Master)
EoT Pt 2 (BASED RASS, Shitty everything else)
Christmas Invasion (Thought it was fun, decent enough intro for Tennant. fite me)
The Snowmen ('s alright. Don't remember it too much though)
>Proper wank
Voyage of the Damned (Just no)
The Next Doctor (Oh no)
The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe (cancer)
>I honestly don't know
Last Christmas (I remember Santa... Headcrabs... and that's it)
>>63742691
I could say that RTD's escapism is more subdued. RTD's vision that Doctor is a guy who will show you the universe and maybe make you special, Moffat's vision is that Doctor will fix everything, starting with Time War. And will make you superspecial.
>>63742406
I think the point is subtle though. The reason he gets shunned isn't because he's more extreme than 7 or 10, but because he ignores his own instincts and his solution isn't to do something more doctor-y or make sure everyone lives. For example, one of my favorite 7 stories is Architects of History, a conundrum of which he solves by erasing an entire timeline. It's a brutal solution, and lots of people are hurt in the process, but everyone lives and people live on better for it.
The war doctor blows up himself to temporarily keep the daleks at bay. No one is living better under the shadow of the time war for it having happened, its a temporary solution that was aimed to sacrifice people as an act of war.
And make no mistake the fact that he killed himself for temporary relief is something very undoctor-y. While other incarnations like 8 or 10 were't above sacrificing themselves, it was for greater solutions or to save lives; it was never strictly as an act of aggression.
And so sipping fruit juice is a necessity for the war doctor, because he's lost sight of sacrificing himself for the universe instead of going to create lasting havens like Keska was at the beginning. He needs time to reconcile that while the time war is inevitable, sacrifices may come, someday something nice can grow again if he works at it, and that he has to look for the best solution instead of the hard one or the temporary one. And he cannot hide himself away like he did before where it is beautiful; there is no haven from the time war.
>>63741547
Series 2 had 'Love and Monsters' and 'Fear Her' BACK TO BACK. In terms of quality, the series has never dipped back down to that level.
>>63742923
Honestly not a fan of Cristmas Specials beside Last Christmas.
Even Carol came out unintentionally creepy to me.
>>63742923
>GOAT
A Christmas Carol
>Great
Last Christmas
Voyage of the Damned
The Snowmen
>Decent
The Christmas Invasion
The Runaway Bride
>Bad
The Next Doctor
The Time of the Doctor
The End of Time
>Santa shitting on your plate tier
The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe
>>63742726
RTD had bad plotting too though.
I rewatched Doomsday recently because I remember thinking it was one of the better finales and the episode makes no sense. Plot holes and inconsistent everywhere. Also the scene where Rose is getting sucked in is unintentionally funny now imo.
>>63742917
Correction: He also wrote another companion departure, Blue Forgotten Planet.
Which was possibly the most fucked up departure story ever, with all the bullshit about Mila.
>>63743002
i'll get round to Last Christmas soon enough, so who nose, might enjoy it this time around
>>63743011
>Voyage that high
>Time of the Doctor that low
I'm curious as to why, but okay
>>63742982
Two bad episodes, everything else ranged from decent to top-tier. That compares pretty favourably to the past few seasons.
>>63742917
Agree with everything you said. Briggs writes some great stuff but most of his stuff is so fucking repetitive.
>>63742923
Same as you except moving End of Time Part 1 to wank, and Last Christmas to Great
>>63742976
All of that sounds intriguing for a story once we've settled in with him, but it was a baffling opening set. And I think we just have to agree to disagree on the merits of the character as it stands mate. Hopefully vol 2 will satisfy us both :)
>>63742923
>Quintessential
A Christmas Carol
>Nice
Last Christmas
>Alright
The Snowmen
TotD
Christmas Invasion
>Er
The Runaway Bride
>No
Voyage of the Damned
The Next Doctor
The Widow and the Wardrobe
>FUCK OFFERINO
TEOT
>>63743059
I was thinking more about overarching arcs. I mean, individual episodes are not going to be without plot.
As far as long-term plotting go, Moffat is awful at this and his plotting keeps smearing all over the show.
>>63743071
>everything else ranged from decent to top-tier.
kek no
>>63742917
>Briggs wrote only one final story for a companion, To the Death. And it was great. But it was one story.
But I'm also talking about production choices made since he took over. Nobody's sat down and brought back Mary Shelley or C'Rizz, Sally Armstrong keeps dying in the timelines and never gets her Doctor adventure, Molly is Dead and it stuck with the ending of Dark Eyes. Even when they brought back Charley to 8 it was in an episode placed before they split up.
I have not seen Hex yet.
>>63743059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76A930pg_E
>>63743089
where'd you find that?
>>63743105
Actually you're right, because I forgot The Idiot's Lantern. The rest is great.
>>63743067
I actually really like Voyage of the Damned. I think it's a fun adventure/disaster story. I wouldn't rank it in my top Doctor Who stories ever, but I think it's a nice story to watch every few years just to sit back and enjoy the campness of it.
Time of the Doctor starts off well enough, but it struggles with Moffat trying to wrap up every single plot point from the Eleventh Doctor's era and just becomes one slog of a story which really slows down around the middle. Especially with Clara being sent away by the Doctor, returning, and being sent away again! We're told about the Doctor's battles on Trenzalore rather than actually seeing them.
It's not insultingly bad, it's just disappointing for me. It could have been so much more.
>>63743156
have you watched S2 recently?
>>63743090
I hope so too, but i'm reminded of Dark eyes 2, which had the GOAT eyes of the Master but nothing else really any good.
Still I ended up appreciating dark eyes 2 after 4 with it's circular plotting, so i dunno.
>>63743212
I literally just finished watching it again a day ago.
>>63743230
If nothing else it's great we're getting stories with these characters. And Big Finish still do a classic every now and again.
>>63743180
I enjoyed reading about RTD writing in in The Writer's Tale but didn't like the episode. It's cool you like it though; I love Time of the Doctor which as you say is very messy.
>>63743244
So you'd rather watch
>New Earth
>Tooth and Claw
>Cybermen 2 Parter
>School Reunion
>Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday
over any of the recent stuff? To me those episodes are a low point for NuWho. Were probably never going to agree though.
>>63743348
Yeah, I liked them all, sorry f.am.
>>63743180
I really don't see why does everyone have a problem with Voyage. Or with The Last of Time Lords for that matter.
>>63743306
Am I a cunt if The Writers Tale annoyed me ? I enjoyed getting a more behind the scenes look at the show but everyone seemed to come across rather pompous and annoying.
What would you give to have a 2-parter with Capaldi and McGann next year? Like if you had to sacrifice something for that episode to be made.
>>63743420
No, that's fair enough, RTD isn't for everyone. I adored the book as a look into his mind and the process of writing TV. Even if I didn't watch Doctor Who I'd have liked the book.
RTD is very self-loathing yet also arrogant; it's a pretty common combination and it's not weird to dislike it anon.
>>63743141
it's from the DWM 2016 yearbook apparently
>>63743391
I can't speak for everyone but I dislike LOTTL because.
>Simms Master
>10 is stuck in a cage and in a wheelchair most of the episode
>that retarded ridiculous ending
>>63743441
I would saw off my hand and mail it to BBC. I would even pay postal fee myself.
>>63743490
Questionable imagery aside, I find this ending to be least retarded of all RTD's endings. Which admittedly doesn't say much.
>>63743441
It wasn't just RTD though.
That Benjamin Cook guy felt like such a kiss ass.
>>63743468
Cool. When's it come out? Anymore photos?
>>63743468
Is that the cover for Twelve and Clara's hot new album?
>>63743604
Out today
https://twitter.com/DWMtweets/status/676725873358303233
>>63743677
fuck that's a sexy capaldi pic
can you purchase DWM digitally online?
>>63743391
Voyage is more drunken hallucination than episode.
>>63743655
I'd buy it.
https://vine.co/v/i7eI1mme6wH
>>63743427
Id be up for ignoring capaldi altogether to get mcgann on screen.
>>63743858
you take that back right now
>>63743901
>>63743858
McGann and Capaldi are both /who/'s favourite Doctors. There's no need to fight.
>>63743090
Last Christmas remains there as I literally remember nothing about it. When I rewatch, it cold co anywhere, but for now it's exactly where it belongs
>>63743348
>tfw all those episodes are better than most all but one episode in s9
>>63743990
but that's wrong
>>63743427
I'd sacrifice Moffar as showrunner
/who/ else here can't stand Toby Whithouse?
>>63744025
but what if gattis takes over?
>>63744011
You're right, I meant to say
>tfw all those episodes are better than all but one episode in s9
S9 was terrible famalam, check the ratings.
I do feel sorry for Capaldi though
>>63744045
I'd be fine with that, as long as he doesn't write too many episodes. I think I'd be fine with Gatiss' vision for the series.
>>63743990
Heaven Sent is literally the only good episode. Even season 8 had at least three good ones.
>>63740389
Just like how Big Bang Two erased the rest of the prior show at the end of Series 5. And they change reality in every episode m8.
>>63744037
>vampires of venice
>god complex
>under the lake/before the flood
yeah nah
>>63744064
brah you're wrong
S2 is way worse
>>63744070
>I'd be fine with that, as long as he doesn't write too many episodes
>I think I'd be fine with Gatiss' vision for the series
>>63743841
Why isn't there a Peter 'n' Jenna's Happy Wholidays Christmas album? Is it because God hates me? Is that it?
>>63744074
Meant for >>63744011
>>63744116
Even if Heaven Sent was the only good episode those other episodes are still better than S2.
>>63744074
>people actually believe this
HS was above and beyond stellar, but S9 as a whole was pretty up there.
People who dislike it just have to admit the two-parter gimmick didn't gel with them.
>>63744201
I love two-parters, S9 was shit.
>>63744100
Not according the ratings, the only objective measure we have of quality.
S9 sucked bruh.
>>63744219
>Not according the ratings, the only objective measure we have of quality.
>>63744219
Wouldn't that be the Appreciation Index?
A picture of the legendary Big Finish lunches.
>>63744146
>>63744201
s9 was awful, people who defend it just have to admit they're defending Capaldi, not the season.
>>63744310
Cool! Where did you get the photo?
>>63744308
No really, a tiny group of hardcore fans will say it's all great but the series will still get cancelled if nobodies watching.
>>63744312
>people who defend it just have to admit they're defending Capaldi, not the season.
>deluding yourself that other people didn't REALLY have fun
>with cartoonishly unrealistic rationalisations
>>63744272
No, the only person who's opinion matters is some anon on 4chan.
>>63744312
I'd agree with this, and I like Capaldi.
>>63744343
Twitter.
I'm not actually Colin Baker shitposting on /who/.
>>63744364
What I'd give to be a fly on the wall during a Big Finish recording session!
>>63744310
>No Doritos
>No chicken and bacon sandwiches with mayonnaise
Some legendary lunch.
>>63744355
I refer you once again to the ratings friend, one of us is definitely deluding themselves though.
>>63744364
Lies Pie Lord
>>63744355
Not that guy, but I absolutely believe that people will pick and choose the best parts and disregard the worst in an effort to defend the most recent work of an actor or writer who's previous work they enjoyed. You'd have to be naive to believe otherwise.
>>63744401
doritos are disgusting m8
>>63744401
Doritos are shit tier, my man.
>>63744310
I fucking hate party lunches like that, I don't know why people bother. Just order a fucking takeaway
>>63744432
>>63744433
They are, but they're still better than fucking Walkers.
>>63744401
pringles and fucking proper nachos and dips man, not doritos jesus
>>63744308
The Appreciation Index was pretty low too. The highest it got was 84 for The Witch's Familiar and The Zygon Inversion, when every episode from Smith and Jones to The Beast Below scored at least an 85. Sleep No More was the lowest rated episode since Love and Monsters.
>S9 KEKS BTFO
>MOFFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>63744418
Maybethe worst really isn't all that bad.S9 a good
>>63744643
this t.bh
>>63744497
>Arguing audience figures or appreciation on a show that sells so much merchandise and media that it funds itself into worldwide movie theaters
Did you like it? Thats the only opinion that matters at this point of the global franchise. The show is an important part, but when something like Doctor Who gets monstrously large like this it basically won't die even if the show does. Oh and series 2 a shit, but if the show can survive season 22, itll survive 2 and 9.
Can't wait for JJ Abrams alternatw universe reboot though.
>>63744651
No, it was shit. I am literally forcing myself to watch because of a decade of tradition.
>>63744692
autism
The show has been falling in ratings for 5 years now, unless you accept that the entire Moffat era is shit then it doesn't make sense to cite it as evidence S9 was shit
>>63744692
You should stop anon
>>63744711
I hold out hope that Moffat will fuck off and it will get good again, and I don't want to have to cath up if that happens. It's an hour out of my week for a small portion of the year, I can manage.
>>63744064
>check the viewing figures of episodes to deem their quality
I am retarded: the post: the experience
>>63744745
*catch
oh no
ohh nooooooo
>>63744414
>implying anyone on /who/ cares about ratings
Lowest Ratings of Classic Who are Mccoy's run and the last two seasons are generally considered to be pretty good. Highest ratings of NuWho is Voyage and it's shit. Nothing really wrong with thinking S9 is shit but its dumb to constantly point out ratings as the reason why.
>>63744745
>Thinking anyone understands the show better than Moff
>>63744789
Chris-chan likes Doctor Who?
Fuuuck.
>>63744789
oh my god
chris chan is watching doctor who now
jesus christ
>>63744789
I can see exactly how the RTD era appeals to Chris-chan, I wonder whatshe will make of S5.
>>63744789
Who/Sonichu crossover when?
>>63744818
by the looks of it he's still in the tennant era
I wonder how he'll handle capaldi, ormissyfor that matter
>>63744847
wait!!! Nobody post that Sonic-Who rap battle
>>63744789
ITS OVER BOYS
EVERYONE STOP WATCHING DOCTOR WHO
GOODBYE FRIENDS
>>63744789
I hope he gets preemptively banned from conventions.
McGann and Capaldi joint episode when?
>>63744869
He'll assault a Doctor Who Experience worker.
What's the next big audio to look forward to?
>>63744789
Damn you, /who/. Just ignore the autism. It's not hard. Were you the kind of children who kept picking at your scabs?
>>63744912
it's a bit more like touching your willy
you know you shouldn't but it's too enjoyable
>>63744908
The Dairy of River Song.
You should see what she does with the udders.
>>63744736
>thinking the bbc gives a fuck about british ratings while bbc americad numbers continue to grow
>Thinking bbc broadcasts even matter when they make substantially more money off advertising from bbc america during doctor who to the concentrated 18-35 audience that advertisers pay millions to reach plus cable subscriptions
>>63744869
>yfw Chris takes Female Soul inspiration from Missy and starts talking about regeneration
>>63744927
>tfw haven't masturbated or looked at porn in a month
feeling pretty good desu senpaitachi
>>63744952
fuck this sounds way too likely for my liking
![The Witch's Familiar- Next Time Trailer - Doctor Who- Series 9 Episode 2 (2015) - BBC One.mp4_snapshot_00.22_[2015.09.20_05.16.11].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9wWaKOa.jpg "The Witch's Familiar- Next Time Trailer - Doctor Who- Series 9 Episode 2 (2015) - BBC One.mp4 snapshot 00.22 [2015.09.20 05.16.11]")
>>63744960
>tfw you have never developed enough of a complex over porn/masturbation to the point where it would actually hinder your social life and make you feel you need to quit for your own well-being
im am back
>>63745044
>>63745039
Well when I started doing it 3 times a day I figured it was time to slow it down a bit.
>>63744665
>AI doesn't matter
>Ratings don't matter
>Only my opinion matters
S9fags believe this
It's the only defence they have for how bad s9 was
>>63745071
depends entirely on whether it gets in the way of real life activities
>>63745059
i am bigtime
big guy for you
>>63745059
But is he Smallfat?
>>63745071
>3 times a day
What a fucking casual. I think I managed 6 a couple of times, but I was very sore after that.
>>63743468
>that look in their eyes
You just KNOW he licked her feet.
it a picture of me in the real life
>>63745102
He'd make a better /who/ alien than most.
>>63745123
great postings
but now you must shop marthas crooked teeth where river mouth is, else not the perfect
>>63745149
please leave
>>63745083
See, but why do ratings matter? Because it makes the channel money that funds doctor who? Except bbc america has posted the highest american viewing figures its ever got for doctor who, and american viewing figures are worth substantially more money than british viewing figures because of advertising rates.
British viewing rates a shit.
>>63745106
i fap all the times a day
when i see the memes i get a boner in my penis and must do ejaculate
the post-ironic era of memeing confuses me
>>63744908
January: River Song Fucks McGann
February: War Doctor Volume 2: Different Writers This Time
March: Doom Coalition 2: River Fucks Paul Again
April: fucking nothing
May: Ten & Donna Adventures, also some UNIT thing
June: Second Doctor Companion Chronicles (the only thing on this list that will actually be good)
July: Classic Doctors, New Monsters, No Carers
Also probably some Torchwood in there somewhere.
>>63744951
>Pulling this whole post out of your ass on one go
Give some evidence to back up what you're saying or just admit you're making it up
>>63745071
Yeah that's overdoing it. I'm surprised if I hit three times a week.
>>63745197
sounds like you don't know where you are ;)
>>63745219
Cheers mate, looks good
>>63745197
im not an post-ironic
i do shitpost because it is the reaction make funny
>>63745185
It's because the opinions of people who didn't actually watch the show are the perfect crutch for my opinion I mean the perfect barometer of its quality, of course.
>>63745185
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Doctor Who along with all BBC programming is made for the license payer, everyone in the USA could be watching Doctor Who on BBCA and it would still get cancelled if nobody was in the UK
>>63745263
It's pretty absurd to read. Seppos will never, EVER, understand the BBC.
>>63745243
fuck cats your picture actually made me laugh
>>63745185
BBC America means nothing.
>lowest audience
>lowest AI
S9 objectively definitively confirmed worst series
hold on folks
we need to talking about me again, this is the cats twelve general so it is time for us to talk about me
>>63745328
>implying those matter
>>63745305
thanks
i am steal it from other anon he make the post with it and i take
>>63745363
>implying they don't
>>63745363
How else do you measure the quality? A fucking Poal.me?
>>63745437
audience count and episode quality are two complately different things that don't correlate with each other
The AI is fairly out of touch, biased and not really reflective of an 'educated' analysis of quality
I would literally trust IMDB more than the AI
>>63745437
http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0436992
>>63745465
According to this, S9 has the highest average rating out of any series
S9 haters BTFO
>>63745437
>>63745397
I guess that means Strictly Come Dancing and Eastenders are objectively the best things on tv.
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO BLOW /WHO/ UP.
LEAVE NOW AND SAVE YOURSELFS.
SOME OF YOU ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
>>63745465
>IMDBers
>representative of anyone
>>63745465
Jesus famalam, what were you thinking?
>>63745516
On the days when Doctor Who aired I guess they were, by a significant margin when you look at DWs pathetic ratings.
>>63745563
that picture makes me want to masturbate
>>63745580
>DWs pathetic ratings
http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/weekly-top-30
>>63745225
http://doctorwhowatch.com/2015/09/22/doctor-who-the-magicians-apprentice-smashes-ratings-record-in-the-us/
>>63745323
>>63745263
>Not understanding how television works
So, first off you need to take a class in marketing, but I'll save you some time and just assume you're too dumb to know this already:
Doctor Who in america isn't a family show, its mainly watched by the most valuable demographic to advertisers, 18-34. With a concentrated figure of 2 million, advertisers will pay up the ass for commercials during it. In america commercials are played during the show instead of at the end and are worth exponentially more because you pay for placement during a program as well. And the best part is, routinely shows that make more money overseas get orders if they're doing well, meaning even if it was doing shit in England, bbc america would probably order more anyways(like amazon did with copper, like cartoon network did with big o, like upn did with star trek). Doesn't even matter, your ratings figures are bullshit.
>>63745563
Good god. Saved.
>>63745628
>not having the first clue what the BBC is and how it works
I won't go so far as to insult your intelligence as I suspect it would go over your head
What are the best death scenes in all of Doctor Who? (Not including regenerations.)
>>63745580
Eastenders has always outperformed Doctor Who since 2005. That doesn't mean it's necessarily a better programme.
>>63745628
The BBC doesn't work like that. Look into the license fee. It serves British license fee payers. It doesn't mean shit if it's popular in America, because none of the money goes back to the BBC. It goes to BBC Worldwide, which does not fund the show. The license fee funds the show.
>>63745628
How can you state bullshit like you know what you're talking about? You do know if you do that off 4chan then you have zero credibility with everyone you know in real life yeah?
>>63745628
You literally don't understand the BBC. Doctor Who is a BBC production. The American rules don't apply here. If the show isn't fulfilling the mandate, it will be axed.
>>63745680
9th Doctor was pretty good.
>>63745580
How can you possibly think that physical ratings correlate to quality? People decide to tune into an episode before they know if it's good or not
>>63745690
You're missing my point by a mile
Bbc worldwide would just order another season of episodes and fund it off bbc america and other bbc worldwide advertising and viewing figures. Even if the regular bbc decides not to make it, it's not like someone else who sees the profit of it won't. It's already happened once and now it's a worldwide phenomenon.
In essence, i'm saying just because bbc won't fund it, who's to say bbc worldwide won't?
>>63745712
not that guy but the show is in no danger of being axed based on series 9's ratings despite the dip
>>63745690
I remember a few years ago there were plans to try and get the show into a co production with worldwide. dunno if that's ever going to happen though.
>>63745748
If the show is consistently bad then people stop watching, it's as good an indicator as any.
>>63745712
But what do you think the mandate is? S9 wasn't enough to cancel the show and moff seems confident there's at least another 5 years secure ahead. The BBC is tax funded anyway, do ratings even matter that much when the show still sells a shit load of merchandise internationally?
>>63745533
>>63745538
Cite me an S9 review from anywhere else that's had as negative a response as here.
It's been praised all around. The fact that the majority of naysayers are using viewing counts as a measurement of how well people think of the show dismisses any grounds for discussion. Popularity =! Quality.
>>63745772
How many people have to tell you you're wrong before your pea brain and inflated ego let the information through?
>>63745777
People 'stopped watching' before the series even started though
the series also wasn't promoted anywhere near as much as in the past
don't you see a link there?
>>63745772
Because they presumably don't have the rights to do that.
>>63745773
>not that guy but look I can pull stuff out my ass too
>>63745773
>>63745780
I think I worded my post weirdly; I wasn't implying Series 9 was bad or that the show will be axed any time soon, just that focusing solely on the BBC America ratings is utterly absurd as that's not what matters to the BBC.
>>63745772
At the end of the day, it's the BBC in London that decides what gets a series and what doesn't. If they want to spend Doctor Who's money on a new series, then they can. BBC Worldwide will just reply "yes master" and prepare that series for syndication worldwide.
>>63745827
Are you actually suggesting the show is in danger of being cancelled at the moment when it's still one of the most watched shows? because that would be an asspull.
>>63745801
>that people are using facts and figures to prove me wrong means I'm right
>>63745811
I see a link between s9 being the worst series yet and Capaldifags just not accepting it no matter what facts are put on front of them
>>63745812
Do they? That's assuming the bbc will give a shit if the british rating go low enough and won't just take a giant check from bbc world wide with a sticky note attached saying "go make more doctor who please"
>>63745802
A bunch of people telling me i'm wrong. That it would never happen? Guess pic related doesn't exist. God i must be stupid for having physical evidence. Good job anon, you sure showed me
>>63745881
>being this deluded
S9 was far from the "worst series yet". I'm questioning how you managed to "like" the show this far in if you think it was outright shit.
>>63745881
prove that ratings figures correlate to episode quality.
>>63745896
The Movie was a co-production between the BBC and FOX. Doctor Who wasn't well regarded at the BBC at the time so they didn't care who took it as long as they got some money out of it.
Things are different now - they'd want to ensure that their brand isn't going to be tainted by just handing it to some random team.
>>63745881
I'm a Tennantfag and I think you're full of shit
>"We've had meetings today with two writers who've never written 'Doctor Who' before." Moffat wouldn't name names for fear of brain-explosion, saying only that they are "brilliant, prominent and amazing writers."
http://www.cnet.com/news/doctor-who-season-10-promises-brain-exploding-new-writers/
>>63745958
Charlie Brooker and Armanda Innunici I'd imagine.
>>63745958
>for fear of brain-explosion
BBC snipers ready to stop another Marcelo Carmargo confirmed.
>>63745958
Peter Jackson and JJ Abrams
>>63745958
>yfw hackson writes an episode
>>63745915
>S9 was far from the "worst series yet"
When you look at the AI and ratings it kinda is
>>63745917
How exacly would you measure it? I've seen polls on here that showed a majority though s9 was terrible
>>63745937
>I'm a Tennantfag
Stopped reading there tbqh
>>63745958
Which one will be the next Frank Cotrell Boyce
>>63745933
But if they were cancelling it anyways they wouldn't give a fuck. They'd just take a check and put on the lights and let someone else pay for it. We're all talking hypotheticals.
Unless you're making the argument that the bbc would cancel a show because of low figures, then not take anyones money to fund it out of spite, which isn't how television works anywhere except north korea or dictatorships.
>>63746011
>How exacly would you measure it? I've seen polls on here that showed a majority though s9 was terrible
nice deflection
prove that ratings figures correlate to episode quality. Until you do, your argument holds no weight.
>>63746011
Tennant series got the best ratings and AI. He is the best Doctor by your measure.
>>63745973
MUH DICK
IT BETTER FUCKING BE MOFFAT I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS
>>63746001
> He keeps trying to write a 7th Doctor story.
>>63746011
AI means jack shit and viewing figures are not related to quality
how long are you going to keep this meme up?
And before you say 'how else would you measure it' how about actual fucking reviews? don't you think that might be a better judgement of quality?
>>63746011
>When you look at the AI and ratings it kinda is
When you look at reviews and the overwhelmingly positive response from critics, it really isn't.
But let's focus on you anon. What is it about Series 9 you didn't like? What made you dislike it more than every other series?
>>63746042
If it was good then people would watch the show and rate it highly? Are you being serious now? You're the one who needs to show that those aren't indicative of the quality or show another measure that's better.
>>63746094
people need to watch the show before they can decide if it's good or not
if people aren't watching it they can't decide if it's good or not
the AI is also not a good reflection of public opinion, that's been well established by this point
>>63746051
His series were best, worst Doctor with so many great episodes
>>63746094
Are you autistic or just dense?
>>63746094
It IS rated highly. Lower figures literally doesn't mean the show is a stinker.
Or are we going to start to pretend Series 7 was better than 8 or 9?
>>63745917
Most of Tom Baker's run had the highest ratings of the classics.
The Eleventh Hour is one of the highest ratings Moffat has ever pulled
Waters of Mars is pretty high too
Christmas Carol was the last GOAT christmas special- also the last one to get above 12 million
Heaven Sent was one of the highest rated of Series 9; as was MOTOE in series 8
Ratings kind of do indicate quality- they're not the only thing but they do kind of show you
>>63746118
He wins all the Doctor popularity polls. Confirmed best Doctor by a wide margin according to your criteria.
>>63746118
10's run had like, 2-4 good episodes a series dude.
>>63746161
No he doesn't.
The DWM Best Doctor poll taken in 2013 had Tom Baker as the best Doctor.
>>63746072
Has someone collated the reviews and shown their positive or are you just pulling something else out of your ass?
We'll settle this with /who/ ranks who 16 in a few weeks.
>>63746111
Not that anon, but on L+7 ratings quality can be correlated because of word of mouth promotion and repeat viewing adding high viewing figures to ratings. But those mean shit all to advertisers.
>>63746136
Are you and imbecile or a moron?
>>63746145
>Heaven Sent was one of the highest rated of Series 9
It got the lowest AI other than Sleep No More and lower ratings than The Magician's Apprentice, The Girl Who Died or Hell Bent.
>>63746145
25/26 got the lowest ratings and are great seasons. Also heaven sent got low AI.
>>63746145
people tune in to watch an episode before they've seen it. how can the number of people who watch an episode equate to the episode itself being good? You can't judge an episode as good or bad until you've watched it, at which point the episode already has the ratings from you watching it (which by the way isn't even true because ratings are determined by a select amount of the population with special data tracker boxes and averaging numbers based on assumptions)
your logic doesn't make any sense, it's like you think people know an episode will be good and therefore tune in to watch the good episode when it first airs before they have actually experienced the 'good' episode
>>63746087
I should have put them in a document so I could post them like pasta just for you. I can't be fucked though, you'll just have to content yourself with the facts and figures of s9, that it was the worst season.
>>63746235
>>63746239
Are we talking about AI or viewers? I was talking about viewers
>>63746220
>and imbecile
I hope you're proud of yourself
>>63746184
>DWM
>popularity poll
kek that's practically a gallifreybase poll
Tennant wins all the general public polls, the same people who watch it on tv and hand out the AI scores.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/showbiz/doctor-who-david-tennant-voted-4187848
>>63746145
Of course it indicates some quality, but an entire Series' run isn't contingent on how many viewers it pulls. You can have the best written story ever conceived pull in 0 count. It would still be top notch.
In this case, ratings=viewing figures by that anon's standards. S9 did pretty good if we're going by how well it was received.
This is nothing more than arguing that quality of a series relies on it's rank in a popularity contest.
>>63746266
There are things called reviews you know? And marketing? They usually can give the audience a good idea about the quality of an episode?
>>63746283
I was talking about viewers too. Heaven Sent got lower viewers than TMA, TGWD and Hell Bent.
>>63746297
>huurr typo
You must be you high achiever you
>>63746306
So if we ask Doctor Who fans who they think is the best Doctor, they vote for Tom Baker.
If we ask the general public, they vote for David Tennant, because that's when the show was massively successful.
>>63746316
Are you actually suggesting that a majority of people - literally millions - read reviews of doctor who episodes ahead of time to decide whether they want to watch it or not?
>>63746325
Ratings generally get lower as a season progresses with the exception of finales.
It's not surprising.
>>63746314
You can have the best written story ever conceived pull in 0 count
How do you measure that though?
If you make the best episode of all time and nobody is there to watch it, is it the best?
stop /who/
you're all being memed on
stop replying to the ratings/AI anon
he's either a troll or so retarded it's not worth your time
>>63746344
Know but they're a good window into what people actually THINK about an episode.
>>63746357
The Girl Who Died is a mid series episode. Heaven Sent is the first part of a finale.
>>63746360
Yes
>>63746379
that's literally an entirely different argument to what you were trying to say one post ago
you're full of shit
>>63746391
Heaven Sent is not the finale - it got lower ratings than The Girl Who Died as the ratings progressively get worse as the series goes on.
>>63746333
Tennant is the best Doctor, because he has the highest number of fans, highest number of viewers and highest AI ratings.
>>63746369
Pic related
>>63746408
>>63746408I'm not the guy you responded to
>>63746271
>muh facts
Your reasoning is shit and I'm sorry you have shit taste.
>>63746325
From wikipedia:
The Magicians Apprentice: 6.54
The Girl Who Lived: 6.56
Heaven Sent: 6.19
Hell Bent: 6.17
I'd say TMA doesn't really count because it's the premier episode- although I will admit that GWD did better than Heaven sent. However if we look at the last 6 episodes, Heaven Sent was the highest rated
>>63746369
I'm sorry the discussion over how exactly we evaluate the quality of episodes and series is above your head anon :(
>>63746430
so is TV just a popularity contest? Does quality of performance not matter at all? Or is your logic 'he had the most fans therefore his performance was obviously the best'?
>>63746405
But if nobody watched how would you know?
>>63746453
It's overnight ratings were lower and it's AI was the lowest of the series besides Sleep No More at 78
Heaven Sent 4.51m (overnight) AI 80
Hell Bent 4.8m (overnight) AI 82
>>63746442
>muh fuzzy wuzzy opinion
face the FACTS s9 was shit
>>63746458
I've got to say although I love Capaldi as an actor and as the Doctor, he still feels 'new' to me. By now with Tennant we were fully comfortable in S4 and with Smith we were in S7- Capaldi still feels like he's not an established Doctor
>>63746503
>people liked Hell Bent more than Heaven Sent
>>63746513
S9 wasokayand no amount of viewing figures can dictate otherwise
>>63746458
I'm not ratings troll anon. I'm saying that according to his measure Tennant is the best Doctor whether he likes it or not.
>>63746517
Really? I was on board once I saw the leaks.
>>63746517
I think it's the Clara problem. I think he'll come into his own when he gets his own companion and not a leftover from the Matt Smith era.
>>63746548
Yeah that's probably it! But it does feel like we've had 2 different Twelfth Doctors- which is good, but what happened to 'No gimmicks 100% rebel time lord"?
>>63746548
THIS
From this point on it should be a rule that a companion stays on for 1 series to introduce us to the new Dr but then has to fuck off.
Could we all just wait until awards season? I mean, clearly if we win a bunch of awards like doctor who does every year under moffat then it's good, right?
>>63746548
Clara was no more a Matt Smith leftover than Sarah Jane was a Pertwee leftover.
>>63746517
By now Tennant would have just finished S3 and been waiting for Voyage of the Damned, and Smith would have been about to drop his own deuce with Doctor, Widow, Wardrobe. Capaldi feels as established in my mind as those two did at that point.
>>63746626
>I mean, clearly if we win a bunch of awards like doctor who does every year under moffat then it's good, right?
Doctor Who always used to win the television awards under RTD...Just sayin;.
>>63746517
>Not realizing you drowned in what you just said since s4 and s7 were Tennant's and Smith's third season respectively, and we've only have 2 seasons with Capaldi
>>63746671
Not nearly as many. They didn't even get nominated to as many awards places under davies
>>63746671
Capaldi has to at least get nominated for a Bafta, if 11 could get a nomination for going "I hate apples, give me beans"
>>63746638
OK moffet. You're wrong but ok.
>>63746638
>mfw Husbands of River Song will be Capaldini's Voyage of the Damned/Doctor Widow Wardrobe
I didn't need this realization
Did /who/ just go for 10 hours without a thread last night?
>>63746739
It's better to be prepared.
>>63746733
But its true.....
>>63746720
Im hoping capaldi gets nominated for heaven sent.
>>63746686
Sorry anon but theirs no way to tell if you're pullitoutmyass anon, you're gonna have to prove it
>>63746733
That's right, I am Moffet.Georgia Moffet. David Tennant is impregating me as I type this.
>>63746744
These are /who/s last days, time to get Roman on this shit and have some orgies
>>63746794
Again?
What is this, like, seventeen?
>>63746823
The more kids they make the higher the chance one of them becomes a Doctor Who descended from two Doctor Whos.
How do you think Series 9 will be remembered /who/?
Congratulations /who/! We went to the bump limit without getting deleted!
>>63746872
Shit
>>63746873
Glad I stopped by to push us through
>>63746872
Good or okay
>>63746872
As a decent series. I remember how much /who/ hated Series 7 at the timenever forget doorgateand now there are people defending it regularly.
>>63746872
Season 24, Mark 2
>>63746872
The worst
>>63746872
Really reallybad
>>63746872
Underrated since it was good but a lot of people hated it... here anyway...
>inb4 bait
>>63746922
I still don't like it much.
>>63746872
solid
it will probably be remembered as the series when Capaldi really established his Doctor like Tennant and McCoy also did in their 2nd series
>>63746872
The one that was ruined by the companion
>>63747085
gr8 b8 m8
also new thread when?
>>63746872
It will be remembered for all the great Capaldi speech/dialogue sequences (w/ Davros in Witch's Familiar, realising where his face came from in Girl, end of Zygon Inv, end of Face the Raven, all of Heaven Sent and some of Bent)
>>63746872
A couple of years from now people here will defend it like they do 5, 6, and 7.
>>63747159
I remember a lot of S8 hate after it ended too.
>>63747159
I wasn't aware 5 ever needed defending.
http://racheltalalay.tumblr.com/post/135339295759/notes-on-heaven-sent-part-1
>>63747240
Some people think it's shit
>>63747240
You must not have been here when it was going out, everyone hated Smith.
>>63747257
some people are subjectively without soul
>>63747257
I think it's good and all but it's far from perfect.
>>63747287
Pretty sure /tv/ loved s5 back then.
>>63747287
I thought /who/ was created around S7
>>63747345
there were doctor who threads long before they became 24/7 generals though
>>63747241
Talalay now deserves to be included on any list of best Who directors.
>>63747404
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>63747404
Oh Golly oh cripes
You people are gonna fuck this up for all of us.
