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>>62744663
>>62750780Does it for free
So are we ever going to find that image on amazon? The guy who claimed to find it gave "75fjve408" as a hint. And no it wasn't that fake image someone here made.
The Doctor, Pond, Willams. All must die!
>>62750859
What?
>>62750838
It's Clara as a weeping angel and it's on amazon. Not a dvd, but its an unannounced behind the scenes book
Apparently the autistic guy was rude to Moffat, Whithouse and Mathieson
>ywn get to see clara doing taekwondo
why live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGAs4GSJCGI&feature=youtu.be
Dunno if it was already posted, but complete DW Festival panel.
>"Ladies and gentlemen please welcome your host, Mr. Taby Hoedoke"
>>62750780
Do you think he ever tongue flicked her bean?
>>62750870
gr8 b8 m8
>>62750870
SHOW US
>>62750439
>The Time Robbers
Fairy tales tell of winged beings that whisks children away from their mundane or abusive/dreary homes and take them to paradise. When in Clara's neighborhood, mysterious lights begin to glow in children's rooms and the children disappearing, the Doctor must get to the bottom of it and learn the truth behind the myth
Sammi's grown a beard. He looks like the master
SLEEP NO MORE WAS A PHUCKING SHAMBLES !!!
THE WORST EPISODE OF DOCTOR WHO IN ITS FIFTY-TWO YEAR HISTORY !!!
DIS-GRACE !!!!!
MARK GATISS SHOULD BE SACKED ON THE PHUCKING SPOT FOR THIS ABOMINATION OF A STORY !!
SYDNEY NEWMAN DID NOT DIE FOR THIS SHIT !!!
>>62750896
At least once a day, Doctor's orders.
>>62750912
nah its more fun for you to find it
>page 6
How is /who/ this dead after a shit episode? It gives more to talk about, complain about, question and explain.
https://twitter.com/prchambers/status/665942047115911168
you just know they're gonna fuck tonight
>>62751630
The episode was GOAT. So GOAT that we're speechless.
>it's a "sleep crust from your eye becomes a monster and also floats in the air like dust filming everything and at the end it was all a ruse to get you infected too" episode
>>62751630
This episode was the perfect hybrid of boring shit and forgettable shit that spawns barely any discussion
Bravo Gatiss, what a pile of shit
>>62752130
hes a big fan of the show but he cant write good episodes
>>62752143
Which is basically how most fans would fare, if given the opportunity to write for the show.
>>62752168
The amount of times i watch a crap episode, try and write my own and it coming out even shitter than the episode i didn't like
>>62751971
>It's a /who/ overreacts to a ok episode
Shitty episode aside, we can discuss the return of BBC.
He was cool in Flatline but he's what, another fucking black boyfriend?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3PEijdZhDc
ReTARDIS reviews liked it
>>62752168
I'm no food technologist or electric engineer, but I still can expect to avoid food poisoning or electrocution. Those are professionals. On payroll.
Sleep No More wasn't the worst, but it tried way too hard to do something grand and impressive, then proceeded to utterly fail at it. The story leading up to the twist was vapid and rushed, and the whole thing about 474 was totally unnecessary. It literally went nowhere and didn't affect the story at all. It started off giving us all this information, but did nothing with everything it gave us. How did this script get past editing? How were they able to look at this and think "yes what a good episode let's film this right away"?
What a garbage episode.
>>62752340
Ashildr's black boyfriend hopefully.
Would help explain how he got involved in more alien shit besides just Ashildr finding him, framing him and using him as a lure for the Doctor
>>62752316
Everything was good aside from the eye boogers. There are just so many better ways to play the "natural sleep is essential and taking shortcuts to avoid it has dire consequences" thing than what they actually did.
>>62752168
And yet teenage fan fiction that became a novel that became a NuWho two-parter is still one of the best Doctor Who stories of its entire run.
>>62752351
that guy has the worst taste and absolute shit reviews
I remember that video from last year where he got butthurt over the "don't cremate me" thing in dark water and hated Missy. what a pleb.
>>62751971
>>62752368
>sleep crust
>eye boogers
When I was a kid we called it "duck meat".
What if the monsters were ducks?
>>62752416
>When I was a kid we called it "duck meat".
Why? I don't get it.
>>62752351
>19 minutes
fuck no
>>62752439
Dunno, but I found proof that it's not just me:
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081029212532AA80mzb
Maybe it was supposed to be "duct meat", as in tear ducts, but children misheard it? Kind of like "duck tape".
Just finished watching the 1996 movie. Has there ever been a solid explanation as to how the Master came back in NuWho after what happened in the movie?
>used up all his regenerations
>lost his original body to some type of cremation process
>possessed a human body that immediately started decaying
>was sucked into the TARDIS in this decaying human body
So, uh... how did he not only get out but also recover his original Gallifreyan body in order to exist and regenerate in Utopia?
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1BdGYBmwvmgJX
>>62752518
He used the same teleport shenanigans Missy used. Moffat planned this all along.
The sandmen being made from sleep was fucking disgusting more than it was scary, and them becoming alive or taking over the body or whatever seemed too supernatural for Doctor Who if you ask me.
>>62752518
he was resurrected for the time war, which he fled from, using the chameleon arch to turn himself into professor yana to hide from the war
>>62752412
A lot of people got butthurt over that, Britain has a very powerful, very loud PC crowd.
>>62752365
I fell like we're missing half of the episode. The signal thing was left uncountered too, Doctor just fucking flies away with that Asian chick on board. I bet we won't even hear what happened to her afterwards.
The Zygon Invasion was kinda like that, but it had the second episode to redeem itself.
>>62752518
>master in a human body
sort of like ahybrid
WELL PLAYED MOFFAT
>>62752597
We are getting a sequel. Think of this as just part 1.
>>62752526
So this was actually just Stewart Lee doing a bit, right?
>>62752575
There are some things that are a bit unnecessary in a kids show. On every saturday in Britain, there are children who have just attended a funeral. Their parents may have just sat them down and explained to them factually what has happened - no BS, just saying that Granny has died and they'll cremate her now.
If a child saw this after experiencing that, it'd fuck them up.
>>62752672
You don't belong on /who/.
>>62752672
Then Who needs to drop the "kids show" meme. It deserves to grow and not be held back because little Timmy MIGHT POTENTIALLY see something that upsets him. The PC crowd is insane.
>>62752626
not anymore that everyone hates it
>>62752642
>So this was actually just Stewart Lee doing a bit, right?
Nah, because the guy says the audience was laughing.
>>62752672
They can't exactly change the show because of a handful of children. I'm still annoyed about the beheading thing, I'm almost surprised they didn't pull this last episode because of the Paris attacks (no connection, but people died).
Death is a weird one because it's always been in British children's television. People have always died in Doctor Who. Yet decades later, American cartoons still can't talk about characters being killed unless it's under very specific circumstances.
>>62752672
It was revealed to be a hoax.
>>62752695
>>62752708
Hey, I would be all for them making who for the ageing beardies. But they've gone for the PG audience. If they are going to push the boundaries on that, I would much rather they did it with slight horror, rather than emo wallowing which isn't even entertaining when handled well.
>>62752526
>people actually care enough about this to make make a video about it
>>62752784
How was that "emo wallowing". It was pretty creepy.
>>62752748
No reason to pull this episode. 15 years ago they would have pulled the Zygon Inversion because of the rocket launcher on the airplane THE EXACT SAME WEEK as the Russian plane was brought down over Egypt, though.
>>62752744
go watch dell boy falling through the bar again you cunt
>>62752784
I'm not saying it should become "ow the edge: the TV exerience", but one of the reasons Dark Water was so good is because it was different and experimental in its handling of darker themes, including death. If people are offended and loud about it, the beeb won't allow experimentation like that again for a long while. My point is that it can move to PG-13, and still be acceptable for most kids over the age of, well, 13.
>>62752766
My issue is not with the actual episode. It's the way the content could have disturbed a child who was already messed up by death. You can't reverse that and tell them "You can stop thinking about your nanna screaming for mercy now - they revealed it was just a trick!" It doesn't work like that.
On the whole, I don't think they should remove stuff for sensitivity sake. But I found that one unnecessary. Maybe because my young cousins had just lost a relative, and I was glad they didn't see it.
>>62752559
But... how did they resurrect him? He was basically obliterated in every possible way.
>>62752803
I found it emo wallowing.
>>62752877
Timelord magic probably
>>62752708
>>62752784
I'd argue the opposite:
All the "adult" stuff is stupid. The innuendo and borderline swearing and sexuality and even the so-called drama are the worst parts of the new Doctor Who. It always feels so tacked-on.
And yet now they rarely show people dying. In the 70s it was normal for someone to fire a laser beam, you see the laser beam hit a guy, the guy screams and drops down dead. Now there are stupid special effects to hide a human death (they disintegrate into dust a lot), or they avoid death altogether because it turns out they just teleported (this also happens a lot), or really the character is invincible (regeneration, multiple parallel versions, or time travel undoes it).
Waris Hussein made a good point on that one BBC Radio show about how stupid the sexuality is. Clara kissed the Doctor in the first episode she was properly introduced. Why? Not everyone fancies or kisses everyone they meet, even the impressive people.
>>62752897
>good
>for
>you
>>62752877
The exact mechanics have never been depicted. I think Big Finish will cover it eventually.
>>62752672
Just how common is cremation in England? I'm in the US and I've never known a single person who was cremated or who has ever had someone they know cremated.
>>62752925
Well then that's not really the opposite at all then - I also said the horror bits are the best way to push the boundaries. I don't like the social commentary stuff one bit.
>>62752925
I think you misunderstand what I mean by "adult". Yeah I agree with most of the points you've made. I'm talking about exploring some weird, darker stuff. Torchwood attmepted to do this and failed miserably IMO because of all the stuff you mentioned. If Who could somehow balance its whimsy with darker, complex themes sprinkled throughout, I think it could improve dramatically.
>>62752995
Oh right, I thought you meant PG as lowering it (since now a lot of the DVDs are 12A for some reason).
Children's television can be scary. It's not like Doctor Who's version of scary has ever broken the boundaries of children's television. The BBFC used to rate films higher if they had women screaming. Doctor Who has had women screaming in almost every episode since the beginning.
>>62752989
Very common. I've never been to a burial and 8 cremations. That covers Catholics, Anglicans and atheists.
Remember the land surface area. Most church yards were filled by he end of the 19th century. UK is a tiny island; USA is a mostly wild continent.
>>62752925
>Clara kissed the Doctor in the first episode she was properly introduced. Why?
Because Moffat. This is the same man who thought the most appropriate thing for a woman to do after meeting her childhood hero-slash-imaginary-friend was to try to ride his dick, as if that's just what happens. If anything, meeting the Doctor when she was so young should have stripped sexuality from the equation later in her life.
>>62752672
Fuck you. Leave and never come back you pathetic cunt.
>>62753066
Burials are always so disappointing. You walk past all these fancy tombstones and statues before you get to the little grave marker on the edge of the churchyard set aside for your dad.
>>62753115
>Poster Most Likely to be Living with Cryptorchidism, 2015
>>62753066
Its like 99% burials in Australia too, I always thought that line was weird, guess not if you cunts got too many dead people.
>>62752412
>hated Missy. what a pleb.
I don't think he hated Missy, just didn't care for the twist that the person behind everything was Missy. Something about how it being the Master/Missy doesn't really mean or change much of what we saw throughout the series with the promised land, or put a real twist in anything
>>62753066
I just find it interesting because I'd never thought about it. It threw me for a loop when that episode seemed to just expect me to expect that everyone gets cremated, like that's just what happens to everyone.
According to one guy who was watching the "Face the Raven" trailer with captions, Ashildr is the mayor of that weird alien street and still goes by "Me", can anyone verify?
>>62753208
Confirmed
>>62753208
who cares?
>>62753208
We'll find out when we watch the episode. Why do you want to know all the details now?
So /who/, do we know anything about Gallifrey/the Time Lords besides they're appearance in the finale? Like, how they're involved and such?
>>62753154
What a curious little word you've made me look up
>>62752672
Fuck off liberal faggot
>>62753292
nope
>>62752672
Mm yes I agree and also we need to stop accepting bad storytelling *tips shovel*
>>62753292
It's an in depth examination of the sexual crimes that were carried out during the time war, the time lords repeatedly raped daleks and this is an investigation into what events can bring people to start systematically raping their enemies.
>>62753415
>>62753415
hence all the dalek/timelordhybrids
you cracked it boys!
Will Mcgann return? Or Eccleston ?
>>62753099
nice armchair psychology
>>62753496
no and no
>>62752809
Rocket launcher happened in Invasion on 31st. There was no reason to pull it once it already happened.
The plane crashed on 31st too, no idea what happened earlier, but there wasn't enough time to pull it anyway.
Also it's Russia we're talking about. This episode would be removed for all eternity if there was anything remotely French in it.
>>62753530
It was shown again in the opening scene of Inversion.
>>62753530
I want the beheading returned to its' proper place in Robot of Sherwood.
That's all.
>>62753496
Yeah, my dad's a janitor at the BBC and he saw some men in suits dragging McGann out of the basement for ''another webisode''.
Dunno about Ecclescakes, but rumor has it he took the coke and ran.
>>62753583
Yes, but what can you do? It was already fired and you already have a cliffhanger with Doctor seemingly dead. There was no way to remove all mentions of it and keep the story intact.
>>62750780
that episode was awful
>>62753496
Why would they?
If anything, it'll be Smith, Hurt or even Tennant.
So, regarding the Mire episode with the testosterone obsessed viking alien. They never showed us his face, what was the point of that? And he said he would return?
>>62750780
Has any nerdy tosser with a lot of time in their hands made a timeline of humanity's progression in the Who Universe? To check for inconsistencies?
Like, whatever century they got timetravel, what other century had this, etc...
>>62753928
I assumed he looked like the other baddies.
>>62753998
I don't know about an online timeline, but somebody wrote a whole book about it.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/AHistory
Well, guess we know for sure now.
>>62753998
I remember being pissed off at maybe a Tom Baker story way back. Because up until that point it had been ragtag Earth colonies on nearby planets many centuries into the future, then all of a sudden there was one episode set in the 21st or 22nd century and they had this bag spaceship and they were just casually whizzing around the universe.
I think the story in question was a little controversial for this, so hopefully someone can refresh my memory.
>>62754060
Yeah, so did I.
I just thought it was a bit weird that they did all this suspension with him and then they didn't care about it when they took the helmet off one of the Mire.
Thought he would be special or something.
>>62754112
we already did know
the exif said it was created 55 mintues ago when it was posted
>>62754112
trainyard confirmed
>>62753928
They'll probably be new Judoon.
What other bodily secretions would make good monsters?
>>62754279
semen
>>62754279
Tears
>>62754279
>other
None of them have made good monsters yet.
>>62754279
>sentient splooge devouring people
>Doctor gives some speech about how mankind's sexual greed is responsible for this
>Later, Clara encounters a splooge monster made of the Doctor's seed
>TO BE CONTINUED
>>62754279
Blood is the obvious one, sweat is the most interesting.
>>62754279
breast milk
they can make a really kinky fanservice episode :)
>>62754279
Earwax.
Some Madame Tussauds analogue in the far future. The Doctor and Clara walk past a group of wax dummies, who slightly tilt their heads. Some maintenance staff share spooky stories about how the attractions are alive and can hear things, then one of them is actually murdered. Clara gets covered in earwax. Towards the end, the Doctor figures it out and talks about the important of earwax. Clara gets covered in earwax. I think Toby Whithouse could pull it off.
>>62754112
Did I just get spoilt again?
Fuck.
>>62754618
It's fake bro
>>62754618
>reading comprehension
What was Sleep No More ripping off (mainly the condensing sleep part)? I thought of it at the start but I can't seem to remember now.
Next weeks seems to be ripping off parts of Harry Potter.
>>62754664
Russian sleep experiment
>>62754279
That stuff that builds up around your teeth and the sides of your mouth while you're sleeping.
Normally it'd feed on food shit left in your mouth, but mutated, it's now hungry for all of you
>>62754695
I mean it felt like another franchise/film.
>>62754847
Not quite the same but X-Files had an episode about soldiers who had their "sleep" taken away so they didn't need it anymore but still needed the same kinda of drugs and chemicals they'd get from sleep
>>62754847
Alien?
Because of the sleeping pods.
Sandmen?
I watched last night's episode live on stream, then rewatched it with my girlfriend this afternoon. She was seeing it for the first time; I fucked her during the second half. Does this mean she isn't infected with dust? Or is she gonna turn into a sandman the next time she yawns?
>>62754995
Yeah this is the closest I can think of now, but at the start I just had this really clear "woah this is totally ripping off x" moment and now Alien isn't giving me that same feeling.
Fuck watching the episode again to try and jog my memory.
>>62752672
>tfw my grandmother died a week before Dark Water aired
>tfw the worst part of the day wasn't her death, but the massive dick in the ass that was ITFOTN
>>62755094No one gives a fuck, fuck off.
>>62755094
Russel T Davies
>>62755094
>my girlfriend
>I fucked her during the second half.
I'm sure you do and I'm sure you did anon, sure
>>62755129
>>62755125
>tfw I've become that one anon
>>62752714
That sucks, actually was curious as to what the monsters really were.
>shitty spot-type flashlights illuminate monsters
>hold my hand
>I'm alright
>I'm not
>two monsters being illuminated are briefly seen holding hands like Doctor and Clara
So they're supposedly made of "evolved" eye snot, yet somehow there's already some sort of psychic link involved despite Doctor and Clara supposedly only having just arrived and the Doctor never interfacing with Morpheus throughout the narrative.
>>62754847
Seriously, this: http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Russian_Sleep_Experiment
>>62755568
The hybrid is real and you know what it is?
>>62755352
idgi. it was nicely written, yet at the same time, rubbish.
Gatiss writing a sequel to yesterday's episode
and wants to write another about fracking
dear lord
>>62755728
You've got to be joking about the fracking. The last thing I want is another leftist propaganda episode after TZI/TZI. Does the UK even frack? I know it's big over here in the US, but I had no idea it was a thig in the UK.
>>62755728
>fracking
Didn't we already have that with the Silurian episodes a few seasons ago?
>>62755805
Yeah it's in the news occasionally over here.
So how is Clara gonna be kill
>>62755805
Not joking
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/08/frack-the-frack-in-or-frack-the-frack-out-capaldi-wants-doctor-who-to-tackle-fracking-5486963/
>>62755890
She'll sacrifice herself by taking Rigsy's punishment in his place
>>62755933
And I'm assuming this'll lead directly into Heaven Sent/Hell Bent
>>62755709
The creepypasta quickly falls apart with obvious scientific BS and even facts like the experiment being held by KGB in 40s when KGB was formed in 1954.
It can't get away with timely-wimely magic like DW.
>>62755862
No, that was simply a "let's see how far down we can drill!" thing, no oil involved.
>>62755899
Well, shit. I know the West is teeming with lefties, but it'd be nice to see them NOT force a politicla agenda into something for once.
>>62754847
>>62754664
Dead Space/Alien in terms of visuals
>>62755933
I don't get it though, in the trailer the Doctor has a fond smile on his face when Clara's saying goodbye, almost like he knows a way out of this
Shouldn't he be devastated like pic related and start pleading and begging and shit
Or is it all just a ruse
>>62755805
Afraid so
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a773800/doctor-who-fans-mark-gatiss-is-already-planning-a-sequel-to-sleep-no-more/
>>62756036
Or perhaps he has known it was coming, and can't quite believe it's finally here.
>>62756036
>the Doctor has a fond smile on his face
no he doesnt
>>62756036
>the Doctor
>fond smile
How long until we get an actor who actually knows how to play the Doctor, instead of another David Tennant sequel?
>>62756202
What the hell are you on about lad?
>>62756202
que
are you saying the Doctor shouldn't smile or something
>>62756202
what are you talking about m8
>>62756202
Can you describe how you'd like the Doctor to be played?
>>62752507
Maybe you're a fucking idiot. Who is also fucking retarded. Youre a fucking retarded idiot.
>>62756296
Jazzily
>>62756296
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pD0inuVLUs
>>62756296
from the looks of it, anon wants him to be dull and emotionless probably otherwise OH WHOOPS IT'S DAVID TENNANT AGAIN LEL
>>62750780
>getting passed my spam filter by using caps in /WHO/
just go back to reddit aleady
>>62756386
you seem upset
>>62756386
reddit a shit m8 they're filled with autism
then again we're also filled with autism
tolerable autism mind you
hell this whole site is autism isn't it
>>62752507
Duck tape was actually the original name for it, not something misheard or misspelled. It was called that because the material they originally used was "cotton duck" which is a type of canvas. So it literally was duck tape, and became called duct tape later on because someone advertised it for home repairs (i.e., repairing ductwork and other things, hence "duct tape").
CLARA MY CLARA MY CLARA MY CLARA CLARA OSWALD MY CLARA MY CLARA CLARA MY CLARA CLARA MY CLARA CLARA OSWALD MY CLARA MY CLARA CLARA CLARA CLARA MY CLARA CLARA CLARA MY CLARA MY CLARA WIDE FACE THREE MIRRORS HANDLES NO WAIT MY CLARA CLARA MY CLARA CLARA CLARA NO
>>62756521
8/10
>yfw the Doctor tries some crazy shit to save Clara anyway but she refuses to go with him
>as he gets dragged away, screaming Clara's name
>she says, with tears in her eyes, "run you clever boy, and remember"
>>62756739
Seriously, when is Capaldick gonna kill Moffat? I'm sick of that pubeheaded cunt.
>>62752672
>Zygon
OH IT'S CRUEL IS IT? WELL WHO CARES, I HAVE A TARDIS THAT DOESN'T WORK
>>62756752
>cue the Snowmen-style moping before oh whoops time for another adventure
I really want Series 10 to be the Doctor traveling alone and only teaming up with characters for one story before leaving them.
you know what here's a better idea for a first person episode that's not found footage shit
have an episode entirely from the eyes of the Doctor or the companionor even the baddie
Let's make the world an inflatable playpen with the Doctor jumping around in it with us. Yay!
>>62756887
what?
>>62756859
That was already tried in the Tennant specials and it was bad.
>>62756929
>implying The Waters of Mars wasn't Tennants best story.
>>62756859
That'd be shit.
Most of the writers can't even write people in two parters well enough for us to give a shit about them. Having to get introduced to a new "episode companion" and care enough or know enough about them to be useful in the episode and as our insight into the Doctor, would be crap. And half of them would have to be pretty or near ridiculously intuitive and smart on their own to be useful instead of growing into that as companions often do.
>>62753415
like when romana regenerated into a man to rape compassion and get her pregnant with more tardises
>>62756950
it was
only extreme plebs think otherwise
>>62752518
the "decaying" is actually just transforming into his original Keeper of Traken body because magic
where the fuck did Courtneythe Nightmare Child go
>>62757119
A tear in time/space transported her back to the Time War where she fell into the jaws of the real Nightmare Child, a splinter of Clara
>implying a Clara splinter didn't become the Nightmare Child so she could save the Doctor from Davros
>>62756929
I thought it was good. Waters of Mars was excellent. Midnight wasn't a special, but showed that Doctor Who can have stories without the regular companion and still be great.
>>62756970
It's easy to make a one-off companion useful. Just give them some knowledge, skill, or personality trait that lets them assist the Doctor or act as a catalyst for furthering the story. That doesn't require making them "ridiculously intuitive," it just requires making them competent with at least one thing.
I actually kind of hate that the Doctor is forced to be the smartest character in the entire universe who's never allowed to be out of his element ever. Maybe sometimes when there's a subject matter expert among the characters they could use that to inform the Doctor. In the last episode one of the characters told the Doctor no one had helmet cams and STILL COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE FOOTAGE, purely because no one is ever allowed to know or figure out anything any more unless the Doctor tells them.
As for getting insight into the Doctor... why does every story have to do that now? Why can't we sometimes just have an adventure or see the Doctor solve a problem? The need to constantly "reveal" things about the Doctor is why we keep getting retreads of the same fucking character revelations every series.
>>62757326
Original British Drama, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7HDdqoL2Vk
>>62757326
>It's easy to make a one-off companion useful. Just give them some knowledge, skill, or personality trait that lets them assist the Doctor or act as a catalyst for furthering the story
Cause then they are just the latest plot device for the episode and as companion and the focus being on them like that, it'd be pretty blatant plot device characters. We already often have the people in whatever place the Doctor is in giving us details and background about stuff and often being the ones who can expand on stuff and that the Doctor can send with the companion to go do something. Just having that as the companion but different people for each episode would be the same thing over and over again but in a different "skin". Would be like Clara series 7b
>why does every story have to do that now? Why can't we sometimes just have an adventure or see the Doctor solve a problem?
Don't have to, but it is often necessary as part of character development (which adds weight to the series and the adventures) and it's much easier to do with the constant companion than to have some one-off suddenly going psychologist and knowing enough about the Doctor to say what his problem is or how much he's changed, been affected by stuff or just how to reach him properly and talk to him. A companion would've been with him a while and have at least some straight timeline for him and what he's gone through and what he's like, a one-off has no idea which Doctor this is at which point or where/when he just came from or went through.
>>62757675
What I'm saying is we should just have a series of episodes that involve just going on adventures without trying to develop the Doctor yet again, because it's always the same old thing anyway. We don't need someone being an armchair psychologist to the Doctor every other episode.
>>62757795
And I'm saying a whole/majority series being nothing but one-off companions wouldn't work
>>62757862
Your argument hinges on the entire series being the same as they are now, though. Though there are examples of one-off characters challenging the Doctor, like the astronaut from Waters of Mars. And not every story needs a "companion," either, the Doctor could do something on his own or get mixed up in some events without actually attaching to one specific companion stand-in. There's really a lot that could be done in a series without a companion and it would certainly be refreshing and change the pace of things.
is rigsy the new companion?
>>62758049
A lot of things could be interesting and well done, but the show doesn't have the kinda writers that function outside of the standard formula.
>>62758049
And your argument hinges on singular episodes and you wanna expand that into an entire series.
>>62758060
If only because of the people it would trigger on /who/ I hope so.
>>62758060
why do people ask this about nearly every guest character
>>62758152
I guess we need some new writers, then.
Am I the only one who thinks Capaldi would work well with a few different companions each appearing in different episodes of the series, say 3-4 companions in total.
They could be unaware of each other and instead of a series arc for a change have them each in standalone stories with the finale being them having to find each other in order to save the Doctor who's got himself in some serious trouble.
>>62758304
isn't that the S4 finale
>>62758304
sounds weird
>>62758363
I suppose it's similar but most of those guys knew each other.
>>62758369
Fair enough, I thought the two one off companions from Time Heist were wasted in just one episode though.
>>62753163
We have too many living ones, too.
>>62752365
>wasn't the worst
>a garbage episode
pick one
anyway, i think it's my favorite episode of the series so far, it had it's faults i'll grant you, but i found it genuinely creepy especially when the sandmen where coming through the fire or disintegrating, and it not being a doctor-centric, doctor saves the day episode was refreshing
Was that Maisie's voice in the preview?
>>62758742
you bet your fine ass it was
>>62758599
The kid didn't have autism, it was my little brother and part of my plan to get Moffat fired.
Mission accomplished.
Watching the episode now, do you think grunts are really good at sex?
>>62758833
the actor's a transgender m8, you tell me
>>62758833
so long as you don't get too physical with them
With the ratings dipping this series, and Moffat possibly splitting the next series up, which certainly can't be good for ratings, does anyone else think that BBC might unfortunately push to get a new Doctor, or fortunately get rid of Moffat?
>>62758880
All new writers
>>62758874
I'd say you're into it
>>62758880
He's shouting at autistic children m8, they're already pushing him out.
>>62758923
>being this triggered
>>62758880
We need new writers and a new showrunner, but definitely still Capaldi as the Doctor.
>>62758880
Capaldi and Moffat have said there's not going to be a split next year so there's that
Moffat might go so he can focus on Sherlock
They wouldn't sack Capaldi
>>62758880
i thought the ratings were dipping because of the awful time slots
even that lady on good morning britian or something mentioned they had to record the show and watch it later
still though, moffat will probably leave after s10, i can't see him going beyond that, he already considered leaving this year.
>>62759030
>i thought the ratings were dipping because of the awful time slots
I actually have no idea. Anons at first were saying that the Rugby matches were the reason but that's over with now and the ratings still haven't gone up to how they were last series.
Isn't the show on at "primetime" or whatever anyway?
>>62759178
It's on at 9pm. The target audience is getting ready for bed at that time. Regardless, less and less people are watching TV shows live. Everyone DVRs, streams, or torrents.
>>62759178
I don't know. I'm not from UK. I read something from the cast and crew saying the show should air earlier or something.
>>62759233
Did it air at 9 last year?
>>62759233
It's on at 8
>>62756950
agreed
>“Well I suppose if I'm completely honest - and it's all my fault, no one else's fault - I don't think that was a great idea,” he told an audience at London’s Doctor Who Festival. “When I looked at them in person I thought 'my god, the new Daleks are awesome. they're so huge and powerful, they're brilliant.'”
>“But I learned a grave lesson: which is that when you put them on screen, of course, they don't look bigger, they just make all the other Daleks look smaller.”
>“So I revised my plans and I now consider them an officer class of Dalek,” he explained. >“You do seem them about from time-to-time. It just became a little bit mad in The Magician's Apprentice because there were so many different Daleks in there that I didn't want to confuse the eye.”
>“They haven't gone away. We still have them. But that's the answer. The answer to most questions I find is that I've made a mistake.”
Am I the only one left that likes them? They looked fine in Asylum with the new paint job.
>>62759439
GO GO DALEK RANGERS!
>>62759439
superior to eyebooger monsters, yes.
>>62759537
They weren't eye boogers, everything that happened was on a stage created and controlled by Rassmussen. Everything we saw was a set up by him to keep people watching and spread whatever had infected him in the first place. As the Doctor kept saying, none of this makes sense, because it didn't.
Rassmussen created a set and a story and the Doctor just happened to blunder into the middle of it not fully understanding what was going on.
All we really know is that there's an shape shifting alien that infects and consumes it's host.
>>62759728
they were real
>>62759763
it was aerosol lsd projecting sleep deprivation
the deep willies
space MadNess
>>62759728
No, it's definitely eye boogers. The Doctor scanned the sand and determined the makeup of it, which was "sleep dust." The only thing that was a lie was how the transformation took place. He went on about spores and whatever to keep everyone from figuring out the real plan, which was to transmit the Morpheus process via those "glitches" in the video. In addition, it created a compelling story that would keep people watching so people would get the full process performed on them by the end of the video.
The only thing that didn't make sense to the Doctor was the villain's motivations and all the stories about spores, but that's because he didn't realize that the villain was himself an eye booger monster or that the video was the real plan. Everything else that happened was very clearly real.
Who the fuck green lit eye booger monsters when there is 1001 better sleep related monsters they could have thought up
>>62759935
that scientist/eyebooger clone is gonna be pissed in the afterlife if it turns out he didn't run enough tests to make sure the signal through the video could actually mutate and change shit.
>>62760023
Moffat, cause him and Gatiss are besties
>>62760023
gatiss
Until recently I was new to Who and now has watched pretty much all the season other than the brand new one (no source).
But did people actually like Day of the Doctor? Don't get me wrong, I really like Hurt as the "pre-doctor doctor" but I always felt that "I killed them all and I have to live with that" Was SUCH a big part of the Doctor for me gave some credit to the whole "oncoming storm" thing.
Why did they have to "solve" that? It absolutely didn't need redeeming at all. I feel like due to the fact that now he didn't kill them he not only doesn't have this weight on his shoulder that meant so much, He also lost the inherit tragedy of being the last of his kind, (which, granted, they fucked with in the past). He went from "Most tragic hero" to "Alien Jesus". In my opinion, the Timelords should have stayed as the one thing he couldn't save. The big Sacrifice to save the rest of the universe.
oh and don't get me started on: "when the planet suddenly disappears, all the daleks will take each other out at once because they'd be caught in their own crossfire." That is beyond retarded. first: space around a planet is huge, the chance of actually hitting something in a crossfire that way are quite small. And even if we ignore that fact, there is just NO WAY this would take out more than say, half the fleet. This was supposed as a big wiping out of Daleks.
>>62760191
Quiet over there with your logic. We're trying to hate on Booger monsters over here.
>>62760191
>always felt that "I killed them all and I have to live with that" Was SUCH a big part of the Doctor for me gave some credit to the whole "oncoming storm" thing.
>feel like due to the fact that now he didn't kill them he not only doesn't have this weight on his shoulder that meant so much
>He went from "Most tragic hero" to "Alien Jesus"
Felt the same way anon
>>62759935
>The Doctor scanned the sand and determined the makeup of it, which was "sleep dust."
He scanned it using the stations technology, part of the set Rassmussen created.
>>62760191
But he was already alien jesus throughout 1-4. That was a big theme used back then.
>>62760191
Welcome to Who's fandom, where the fans themselves are the show's harshest critics. I agree with everything you said, and wish Eccleston had co-stared rather than have to introduce Hurt.
As Tennant said: "To say no to doing the 50th would just be churlish".
>>62760331
But Ecclescakes is getting play a wife raping priest who willingly wanders naked into stocks in The Leftovers now.
>>62760439
Sounds like something good for the kiddies.
>>62760262
I just mentioned the logic for the fuck of it. I know Who is not supposed to be enjoyed with logic or the whole thing falls apart. I don't mind it much but it was specially stupid. you could hear the writers go: "Wait, if we save them, how do the daleks die?" to come up with such a bullshit excuse.
>>62760267
I went with them fucking up the Angels (my favourite in new who) and I went with some other bullshit.. but for me, his "dark" past, the decision he had to make, that was what MADE him. I'm sad that this truth is lost.
>>62760331
I liked Eccleston as the doctor. But I don't mind hurt. I think he was quite good actually.
But yeah, I'm really not happy that I watched that.
>>62760191
>all the daleks will take each other out at once because they'd be caught in their own crossfire.
I hated this because it turned the Last Great Time War from a massive battle between a bunch of races and armies where people are using time as a weapon (as well as all the shit the Doctor described) and just turned it into Time Lords vs Daleks.
And yeah, I agree with you. They ruined the Time War with that episode. What I wanted to see was what happened during the Time War and what the Doctor did, how he did it, and just how desperate the situation was to justify it. Instead they just made it feel insignificant and like you said, they removed that entire aspect of the Doctor's character for no good reason.
If what they wanted to do was bring back Gallifrey, I'm sure they could have found a way to do that without also nullifying everything the Doctor did. Make it so the War Doctor still ends the Time War and burns everything like before, then make 10 and 11 get together and do something to somehow rescue Gallifrey. That way the Doctor's timeline is still intact AND Gallifrey can return.
>>62760611
>>62760191
I didn't feel that way about the Time War at all due to the 50th. Keep in mind all we saw was the last day; the actual events are somewhat chronicled in Eight and War's new audio adventures, as well as the NSA novel Engines of War.
>>62760611
>If what they wanted to do was bring back Gallifrey, I'm sure they could have found a way to do that without also nullifying everything the Doctor did.
But Moffets dr would never kill the keeeeds
>>62760611
I thought End Of Time already ruined most of the mystery of the Time War imo. I was glad they ended with the 50th.
>>62760716
Remember 10's description of the last days of the Time War, though? He basically said that was the time when the shit really hit the fan and everything was hitting a boiling point. Not that it was winding down and remained only between the Time Lords and Daleks. The only thing that made it the last day was that was the day the Doctor happened to end it. What we're told before that is that when the Doctor ended it by destroying everything it was because the war was escalating infinitely with no sign of slowing down and it would eventually destroy everything else in the crossfire.
What we saw in the 50th was "Time Lords and Daleks fighting a pretty standard war except the Time Lords are losing." I didn't get the sense of desperation, stakes, and scale that I got from previous descriptions of the war from the Doctor in the show.
>>62752518
>>62752944
Basically, listen to mastermind.
http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/mastermind-752
>>62760927
Ahhhh fair point, fair point.
I have always gotten the gist that the Moff doesn't/didn't really like the idea of the Time War, thus his retcon of the genocidal ending. What you've said fits my theory.
>>62760861
The problem isn't that they ended it. It's that they ended it in a way that retconned the Doctor's entire character. After the 50th, all of 9 and 10's speeches about how he watched Gallifrey and the Daleks and everything else burn because he made it happen would no longer be true. It fucks with the Doctor's established timeline and story in a very bad way.
They should have shown the war becoming so desperate that you might sympathize with the Doctor nuking everyone, then have all the Doctors meet each other, then have a way for the later Doctors to save Gallifrey after the fact somehow, without War Doctor knowing. That way 9 and 10 still have the memories of Gallifrey burning and they don't realize Gallifrey is out there in another dimension yet, so they still carry with them the guilt of killing everyone, yet 11 still would know Gallifrey is out there somewhere and would get a regeneration boost from them.
The way they handled it all was really careless and just disrespected everything established in New Who up to that point. That's why I dislike it so much.
>>62760927
Honestly I don't think the show has enough budget to truly show that. Just wait for the audios. It'll probably be better.
>>62761176
But it didn't retcon anything. They don't remember the events of the 50th.
>>62761176
To the doctor this all happened, he killed countless Daleks and did terrible things as the War Doctor, then he saved gallifrey, which he didn't remember, all he knows is that he was going to do it and poof, gallifrey was gone
>>62753099
V I r g I n
>>62761244
Yeah, they just remember something that never happened instead.
>>62761178
You're probably right that they wouldn't have been able to truly show it, but they could have shown some extra races in there, maybe some shots of all the different fleets involved. Just something to show why a nuke might be seen as necessary. The depiction in the 50th basically just looked like, "The Daleks found Gallifrey and now the Time Lords are about to lose the planet." Like it was just a regular war between the two rather than being The Last Great Time War that threatened the whole of the universe with its continued escalations.
>>62761347
Oh. I guess I see what you mean.
>>62761278
>all he knows is that he was going to do it and poof, gallifrey was gone
That's so much different than the "I watched it burn! I made it happen!" that we got from Eccleston. So I guess he got implanted with false memories then? Ones where he saw everyone die rather than just everyone vanish?
They couldn't have depicted the time war but they could have shown some people trapped in a time loop dying over and over again in different ways. Could be pretty harrowing if done right.
>>62761464
I don't know. I assumed he forgot everything shortly during the regeneration to 9. If Eccleston ever does audios. What if they made a psychological spooky audio showing what The Doctor did right after regenerating into 9?
>>62761554
he probably did barley anything, in S1E1 he was shown looking at himself in a mirror, examining himself, possibly for the first time, but there's nothing to say that he just found his ears silly
>>62761554
He went back a blew up Gallifrey.
>>62761622
RTD said that scene doesn't necessarily mean he was just regenerated. he said he put that stuff from clyde to show that the doctor had some other adventures.
>>62760611
I'm not even sure there could be any plot that would justify "saving" Gallifrey. Death loses quite a lot of its meaning when it is not permanent. And I had such high hopes when I started watching the 50th. I was thinking "oh boy, Are they gonna show the moment? Are they going to show the events that lead up to the greatest and at the same time most tragic event in the doctors life? It's gonna be hard to do it justice but I'm stoked" but then they went, "NAH LOL! Doc saves the day, the whole fucking thing is a cop out!". The whole thing was basically just so they can go "he didn't really kill them" and like I said I always felt like "But killing them to save basically all of existence is what MADE the doctor," "Hiding them all to save existence" doesn't quite have the same dramatic ring to it.
And of course the fact that it changed the heroic deed of wiping out the daleks in on swift motion to "they accidentally shot each other like some fucking cartoon". That was fine for the Angels in their first episode (have them look at each other by making the tardis disappear) but that is NOT fine for what is supposed to be the entire Dalek Empire.
>>62760716
Well yeah I agree that it is only the last day and a lot of shit probably happened before that but it still changed the most important part of the war to a shitty "and everyone went home and was happy" happy end. When they showed not only the Daleks fighting but the family's on Gallifrey running for their lives, I almost felt the weight he had to bear. "my god, he kills all those people. every single one of them innocent or not and he has to live with that" LOL NEVER HAPPENED. THEY FINE SENPAI DON'T WORRY KEK.
Oh and the fucking "you won't remember because.. basically timey wimey stuff" yeah, no. Fuck you.
>>62761244
>>62761329
I guess technically he now remembers "Gallifrey vanished and the daleks exploded"? It's still a retconn. they just tried to make it fit their continuity.he didn't "watch it burn"
>>62761648
>He went back a blew up Gallifrey.
This, desu senpai.
>>62761622
>there's nothing to say that he just found his ears silly
If I remember right, when he looks in the mirror at Rose's place he's smiling, then he tugs on and flicks his ears while looking a bit disappointed. He might have muttered something about them, too, but I don't remember.
>>62761760
I remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt6dz-dGaVc
>>62761708
>>62761708
>"But killing them to save basically all of existence is what MADE the doctor,"
What do you mean?
>>62761852
Well his argument was always that he had to blow it all up to stop the time war, because it was so terrible and showed no sign of stopping that it eventually would have consumed everyone, expanding into all universes and in the end likely ending all life in the 'verse.
He killed them all to end it and stop that from happening. Now he saved one planet, the others shot themselves by accident and everything is fine.
>>62761708
Don't forget that according to Moffat, the Time Lock is no longer in effect in regards to the Time War.
so literally nothing is keeping anything in there from spilling out, except Moffat and his writers choosing to ignore it
What if the reason Eccleton didn't come back for the 50th is because he thought Moffats script shit all over his Doctors motivation?
>>62762031
No. Eccleston has moved on from DW and didn't want to do it.
>>62762031
Eccleston has been sour on Doctor Who for years. It's sad, really. He's still my favorite Doctor.
>>62762019
Did he say that? I thought it was just the "one off" chance from "The Moment" weapon that pulled them in.
also:
>making it look like rose tyler
Bitch move. You can't just throw shit like that and make us go "ooooh it's rose!" Make something decent with her or fuck off.
>>62762031
I think he just didn't want to do it. I think I still like him best of all the new who doctors.
Eccleston>Smith>Tennant.
(tennant always somewhat remind me of Richard Hammond from top gear) Haven't seen the new series yet. But I think I would like to see some more of the War Doctor. He didn't get to do much besides a few lines.
>>62762229
John Hurt is doing War Doctor audios for Big Finish that comes out in December. Also Capaldi is pretty GOAT so you should watch.
>>62762304
I only have Netflix, so i guess I'll have to wait. I don't mind much since I like to binge anyway. (watched all of New Who in a few weeks)
>>62762019
>Time War starts
>Time warfare
>Whole area becomes locked off
>Can still get through at extreme personal risk
>Dalek Caan saves davros and goes insane
>The moment lets all the doctors through to move gallifrey
>Time lock disappears as its not needed anymore
>>62762229
>Did he say that? I thought it was just the "one off" chance from "The Moment" weapon that pulled them in.
He said
>DANIEL PITTS asks: Was the barn Clara visits in Listen on Gallifrey, or a different planet? If it's Gallifrey, is it not time-locked? The sky didn't look burnt orange when we saw the outside of the barn in The Day of the Doctor, so does this mean it's another planet?
>In my head, he's in the Wastelands of Gallifrey (where the burnt orange dims to a lovely blue). Originally the script specified this, but I cut that, to give myself some wiggle room, should I ever need it. I wonder if this is a Time Lock question? Gallifrey and the events of the Time War are supposed to be held in a Time Lock, preventing the Doctor's return. However, in The Day of the Doctor, the Moment not only unlocked those events, she allowed them to change. The Doctor doesn't realise it yet, but, as demonstrated in Listen, the Time Lock no longer holds...
>the Time Lock no longer holds
>>62762329
S8 is on Netflix. Did you not watch that?
>>62761708
>Oh and the fucking "you won't remember because.. basically timey wimey stuff" yeah, no. Fuck you.
What's wrong with this?
This has been a thing since the 3 doctors you mong
>>62762435
WellGallifreyis in the last two episodes of S9 so it might be brought up.
>>62762435
So... what's stopping the Doctor from visiting pre-war Gallifrey or pre-war Time Lords from leaving and crossing paths with the Doctor? They have time machines.
>>62762441
Oh so it is, must have been some error because last time it just ended. Guess I'll have something to watch then.
>>62762454
It is the most shitty of "Yeah so we're saying this happened all along, but doctors in the past said something different so in order to at least make some fucking sense we're going with AMNESIA!" It is lazy and it is shitty.
>>62762527
Its better than "you know how youve met yourself in the past several times but never remember it until the most recent incarnation does it? Yeah fuck all of that, you were just retarded, you can in fact rememebr this event involving all of you. Thats how it works now"
>>62762517
Literally nothing.
Horde of Travesties, Nightmare Child, Could've Been King and Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres, when?
>>62762435
I forgot about them going there in listen.
So are they suggesting that Gallifreys past is still somewhere in the doctors universe and open for travel. Or all of Gallifrey is in the pocket universe and the tardis managed to get there using Claras psychic link
>>62750780
went to piss after the dude that never got in the machines took off and never saw him again.
Did he get eaten while I was pissing or something or is he another of these wild plot lines from the episode still running loose
>>62762579
>Gallifreys past is still somewhere in the doctors universe and open for travel
Guessing this, but you'd have to ask Moffat
>>62762565
You know what is the preferable alternative? NOT DOING THE FUCKING THING.
All this shit is not even worth the effort. For the story of the Doctor saving Gallfirey is a bad thing. That's like fucking saving Batmans Parents.
Glad to see no one bashing Sleep No More tonight.
Carry on folks.
>>62762672
Im not saying its a good story, Im just saying you are retarded for getting upset over something that has happened many times before. It they just pulled it out of nowhere, then fine, but It has been a thing for nearly 42 years
>>62762672
No, the "destruction" of gallifrey was not what made the doctor
>>62762726
Destroying Gallifrey and genociding everyone was a pretty huge part of his NewWho character as well as other characters' perceptions of him.
>everyone's face when Gallifrey turns out to be in Pete's Universe and meta 10 became Lord President
>>62762798
yeah, and to him and the universe, he did it, sure he didn't actually do it, but he had to carry that guilt with him until the 50th
As far as I understand it or at least my head-canon. The time war was the only thing time locked.
I read somewhere once about there being some kind of other force on Gallifrey that meant time lords could only travel to Gallifrey in its relative present to themselves. So the doctor can't usually just go back to Gallifreys past, meaning it is still there but they can't really get to it and only the relative present time war was locked away.
So in Listen, the doctor took the shields down and the TARDIS ends up at the end of the universe where its not supposed to be, then with the shields still down, and with Clara steering it in a different way to usual, they accidently ended up in a time of Gallifrey they shouldn't have been able to get too.
Or i'm talking shit and Moffat a hack
>>62762861
meant for >>62762579
>>62762861
I never understood the Time Lock. I don't remember them ever actually explaining it in the show.
>>62762893
The most explanation ever given was "The entire Time War was time locked so nothing could ever get in or out." RTD really liked leaving things vague like that.
>>62762726
The weight he had to bear in killing all these people was a BIG part of new who. It added a lot of tragedy to his character and gave credibility to his title of "the oncoming storm". Many enemies would fear the doctor for they knew he brings destruction and death.
now they removed that.
I always loved the inherit sadness behind this. No matter how many friends he found, he was still alone, the last. No matter how many people he saved, the ones he killed that day would forever look over his shoulder, It was the hardest decision the doctor ever had to make and at the same time it was the most tragic one. A lot of NewWho revolved around this decision of his and how he has to live with himself. Now it all never happened and all those scenes of him staring at empty space with sad eyes and heavy heart, remembering the ones he couldn't save are completely meaningless because it never happened.
Look at this clip from fucking Family Guy of all things:
https://youtu.be/N9wHbr29FMI?t=32
(it is shit tier quality, but I couldn't find the clip in a decent one, here's the transcript:)Brian: So, what you're saying is that what you experienced in the simulation didn't really happen, or even matter?
Stewie: Yes, that's correct.
Brian: So, it was sorta like a dream?
Stewie: No, it was a simulation.
Brian: Yes, but, theoretically, if someone watched the events of that simulation from start to finish, only to find out that none of it really happened, I mean... you don't think, that would, j-- be just like a giant middle finger to them?
Stewie: Well, hopefully, they would have enjoyed the ride.
Brian: I don't know, man. I think you'd piss a lot of people off that way.
>>62762893
It was pretty much to keep the war confined to one linear timeline between the Daleks and Timelords, otherwise both sides would have did so much time travel alterations to make each other the winner that it'd have ultimately destroyed the universe.
Fuck if you can even begin to understand how it works though since their was still alien races that were running from it years and years after it was shat on by the Doctor
>>62762893
Closest we got was Journey's End I think where Torchwood had something that "froze" a Dalek in time but since that's human or at the very least lesser than Time Lord alien technology, it wouldn't be or necessarily act the same
>>62762805
That would be great if Handy was the Valeyard instead.
>>62763073
Handles was shit and I'm glad he's dead
>>62763007
>>62762893
Yeah It was basically "no one can get in and out" Not much further explanation because not much more was needed.
Since it was a war between races with time travel technology it automatically raises the question "why did no one time travel to win/stop?" and they answered that with "Because they couldn't" which I take as -eh, fair enough-.
To be honest I much prefer the "it happened in a zone nothing can get in and out off" to some convoluted reasoning that tries to explain why exactly nobody could get out or in.
>>62763104
M8 there's a big difference between handy and handles
>>62763104
>Handles was shit and I'm glad he's dead
>>62763104
Handy isn't Handles. Handy is a nickname for the meta-crisis Doctor.
fat chance but, is the anon who helped me with the christmas card from last year here?
>>62763135
>>62763167
Oh, didn't know all the meme names for Meta 10
>>62763139
Handles was in fact shit. Skipping hundreds of years and thinking that matters to the audience into how deep the Doctor's relationship is with Handles is shit
>>62763202
You don't have a heart anon. Handles and river spin off show coming soon.
>>62753928
Why does a species with space flight, hologram, and teleportation tech not know how to synthesize testosterone?
WE know how to.
>>62763202
pls go. Handles is objectively the best companion.
Does anyone have the Radio Times poster for Sleep No More?
>>62763202
>Skipping hundreds of years
In which he didn't even do anything significant. He basically "took a gap year" from being the doctor to ponder over some shit and then come back and do his thing, Literally worthless montage of zero-impact shit.
from a story telling viewpoint there was absolutely zero difference between him taking that time or him doing it right away.
>>62763253
Their race's test levels don't decline with age and they don't do bodybuilding so no one ever bothered to figure it out.
>>62763271
>not Wilf
>not even based Donna or Jack
That's some shit taste you got anon
>>62763299
>In which he didn't even do anything significant. He basically "took a gap year" from being the doctor to ponder over some shit and then come back and do his thing,
Wut? He fought and saved the Christmas Town while he got older.
>>62763306
>Wilf, Donna and Jack
>better than Handles
no
>>62763202
>Oh, didn't know all the meme names for Meta 10
I wouldn't really consider nicknames a meme. Sure the idea spreads out, but it isn't spread with the intent of being replicated and altered. The name "Handy" is the generally accepted name across the Who fanbase that is used in the absence of a real name.
>>62763417
stay pleb
>>62763496
Stay baiting
>>62763588
the only one baiting is you m8
So lads. When the fuck is the Valeyard coming back?
>>62763357
>Wilf
>good
No
>>62763607
S9 Ep. 12 "Hell Bent"
>>62763644
k thnx m8. cu l8r
>>62763644
gr8 b8
>>62763607
Never
Ashildr kills Clara, thinking that with her out of the way the Doctor will make Ashildr his new companion
>>62763698
Ashildr has her forever-boyfriend now. She should be stable.
>yfw Ashildr's actually been looking after the people the Doctor leaves behind and stalking Clara so that she can learn, practice and take on their traits so she can be the perfect companion to the Doctor
>>62763865
The Doctor said outright that he didn't know if the thief guy would be unaging like her. On the one hand he had the device put in him, but on the other that power was used to close the rift. Could still be unaging, could have an extended lifespan but still age and die, could have nothing at all.
>>62764051
Nah
>>62764036
Why a new one already?
>>62752518
There is no *official* explaination. Which is just as well.
Doctor Who villains tend to do that. I can't count on one hand the number of times the Daleks or the Cybermen got destroyed by the Doctor never to be seen again, only to show up next season because fuck it
>>62764450
We were on page 8, thread was already dying down, thought might as well do it now while there are still at least some people posting that'll move onto the new thread instead of at page 9 or 10 where people might've already left
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