What Lightsaber form is your favourite, /tv/?
>>62773874
I'm partial to Ataru while dual wielding a lightwhip and a lightpike.
>>62773914
Now that would be a sight to behold
>>62773874
A guide for those who have no idea what any of them mean
Shi-Cho: The basic lightsaber form which focuses on broad strikes against limbs and basic blaster deflection. Ideal for fighting multiple enemies, but not single targets.
Makashi: The only Lightsaber form devoted exclusively to Lightsaber against Lightsaber combat. It's basically just fencing, focusing on quick footwork and parrying an opponents attacks to wear them down and leave them open to attack. Excellent against Lightsaber wielding opponents but weak against ranged attacks.
Soresu: The only Lightsaber form which focuses exclusively on defence. It requires very little physical strain, so you can wear opponents out while still being in good shape. A master of Soresu is only really able to be defeated by a master of Juyo.
Ataru: This form focuses heavily on acrobatic moves and incorporating the whole body as a weapon. It's obviously the most physically demanding form so it's best to use sparingly. It focuses on delivering an overwhelming assault.
Djem So/Shien: Created by Jedi who thought Soresus was too passive, form V focuses on adopting a defensive stance but incorporating incredibly strong and aggressive counter moves. Shien focuses on blaster deflection while Djem So focuses on Lightsaber duels and benefits from a well-built user.
Niman: Niman is not really a unique form. It's based on incorporating the skill sets of several other forms the user may know and chaining them together. Niman also focuses on incorporating force attacks more than any other form.
Juyo/Vaapad: The most demanding Lightsaber form, both physically and mentally. It's a purely aggressive form with little defensive options. It combines the speed and acrobatics of Ataru with the overwhelming strength and aggression of Djem So. Only Sith utilise Juyo as it requires the user to channel the dark side in order to function properly, whereas Vaapad can be used by Jedi.
Star Wars fans are fucking terrible.
>>62774135
The flying fuck am I reading? This is what happens when you let nerds write 30 years of EU
>>62774135
Lightsaber forms exemplify everything that has gone wrong with Star Wars.
>>62774135
Who fights with what?
I reckon Yoda is the kind of guy that does the Juyo/Vaapad.
>>62773874
>EU shit
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>62774718
don't get him started.
I'm a level 81 master at Fu g'Mushitup using a gatling lightsaber
>>62774734
I'm curious.
whatever one cyborg vader uses
sage and shoot your brain out
>>62774718
Yoda is a master of all forms, but his preferred form is Ataru. It's really the only way to compensate for being 2 feet tall when you fight with swords
What the hell stops anyone from mastering all of them? I don't supposed a jedi or a lightsaber wielder would just settle for one stance.
>>62774135
Form IX: The way of Non-Canon Butthurt. Focuses of sperging over removed shitty lore, using fallacies to argue that poorly written fan fiction is still important to them.
Like OP, I a master of this form.
>>62774718
He uses Ataru. Just like Qui-Gon.
That's right, in EU, Qui-Gon and Yoda use the same fighting style.
Nice job, EU writers.
>>62774796
Qui-Gon was a lot more acrobatic in his youth
>>62774825
Fuck off with you EU faggotry.
>>62774690
They're now officially canon thanks to the Rebels CGI show.
Enjoy.
>>62774718
Mace Windu uses Vaapad.
It may also be related to his apprentices falling to dark side. Vaapad users are said to tread the line between light and dark.
>>62774870
Fukken saved
ITT: We discuss non-canon fan fiction
>>62774135
Star wars has some of the worst lore ever created
>>62774870
The Mortis arc has done more damage to the Star Wars universe than even Kevin J Anderson.
Thanks for making that shit canon Disney.
>>62774767
>What the hell stops anyone from mastering all of them?
The same thing that stops anyone from mastering every sport, I guess.
>>62774135
this shit made me into a normie
>>62773874
That shit from that video game where you hold your lightsaber behind your back.
you just know there's some autist out there practicing this stuff for real
>>62774920
It's the same damn sport
that'd be like Bruce Jenner saying he can run but he can't pole vault
>>62774879
>>62774796
>>62774754
Is all this EU stuff just made up or does Lucas approve of this?
>>62774963
It's all canon nigger
Was this taken from wookiepedia? I don't remember this shit from the movies.
>>62774920
There are several Jedi and Sith who have mastered all forms
Yoda, Sheev, Mace Windu, Revan, Luke
It just requires a lot of time and effort.
>>62774980
But how is it decided whether it's cannon or not? Does Lucas invent all this EU shit? Or do fans?
>>62774993
Does mastering a form takes skill, dedication and all that, or is it basically just something you acquire through the force?
>>62774993
I dont think Yoda knows vaapad? Only windu and his apprentice knew it, right?
>manchild fanfiction
>>62775011
Fans and writers do, but it's in the novels, and novels -> approved canon.
>>62775016
No, it's like a martial art that you have to study. It's not a force power that you just magically attain.
>>62775017
Yoda studied Juyo for the purpose of rounding out his knowledge, but never applied it in combat
>>62774963
It's all EU, Lucas doesn't even know Lightsaber forms "exist."
There was some convention, where an autist asked Nick Gillard, the guy who did the prequels choreography, about lightsaber forms, and he laughed it off as he had no idea wtf he was talking about.
But then EU writers comes up with this bullshit, kids read it, and you get people like >>62774980 and OP who actually think that this shit is part of Star Wars, despite the fact the people making the movies never heard of it.
>>62774952 see >>62773914
>>62775041
So basically normies can be pretty good lightsaber fighters as well? Why isn't this weapon used outside of force user circles?
>>62775060
Because anyone who didn't have the enhanced physical abilities, senses and precision of a Force user would fuck themselves over if they tried it.
>>62774993
How the fuck could Luke master this shit? He's the last fucking Jedi.
>>62775046
> kotor 2 isn't a star wars game
get out of here with this bullshit
>>62775060
well, a lot of the techniques, like deflecting ranged attacks in the defensive forms require the force to work. Also mostly jedis use lightsabers so you're always going to lose if you can't use the force.
>>62775060
>why isn't shitty EU used in other EU
EU tends to be self-enclosed, since most of it was made to market the movies, rather than create a single continuous universe. Which is why EU contradicts itself every 5 seconds.
>>62775090
>ghost of Yoda and Obi-Wan to teach him
>>62775097
>> kotor 2 isn't a star wars game
Wtf are you talking about? It's a game in the Star Wars EU, that's not exactly a secret.
>>62775090
He doesn't, lightsaber forms don't exist in the movies, only in the expanded universe.
Applying forms to different movie characters is just EU retconning.
Wait, why exactly are lightsaber forms such a terrible part of the EU?
Are thousands of jedi all going to use the same techniques?
>>62775164
>thousands of jedi
This. This is the problem.
>>62775164
>why is turning lightsaber combat into rpg mechanics bad?
I don't know, you got me.
>>62775199
rpg mechanics?
there are different sword fighting styles in real life
>Real life groups of historical sword fighters have developed many different actual forms and techniques to deal with different situations.
ITT
>Retards think that Jedi, who have existed for 25,000 years, won't have developed their own forms to deal with different situations.
A combination of Makashi and Soresu
>>62775215
>rpg mechanics?
Ye, lightsaber forms were created in the D20 Star Wars rpg as a game mechanic.
They exist so people playing the rpg can have variety and customization, but ER writers being retarded had to pull this shit out of the rpg and apply it to everything, like the fucking idiots they are.
>>62775196
>abloobloobloo they changed something in those other movies
>why can't everything always stay the same and never change
>wah wah wah
>>62775280
please explain how it is more realistic for jedi to use all the same exact techniques for thousands of years
or give a real reason why creating something for the rpg makes it bad for anything else
This thread:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU
>>62775313
I remember that kid back in 2002. He was probably a glimpse of what we would see when Youtube and Facebook allowed the greater world to see idiocy caught on film.
>>62775286
No, the problem is that it changed for the worse. Transforming the Jedi Order from something esoteric and mystical into a popular and established institution like the boy scouts was a huge mistake.
I don't even care about the sword techniques btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIzMjFkZVA8
>they're making fun of the wiki i maintain
>again
>>62775311
Please explain why it's necessary to come up lightsaber forms?
Please explain why it's necessary to come up with imaginary names for combat techniques that emulates real life combat?
There was no need to come up with a bunch of stupid names and then equate them with different historical weapons. A saber is one weapon, the forms split it into different ones for the sake of vidya game logic. Form 2 pretends it's a fucking rapier while form 5 pretends its a claymore, that shit is retarded.
There is no longsword "Tiger style" or "crusader style" that match up against each other differently. There is just combat with a longsword that utilities various techniques. And an estoc vs longsword, for example, is not a good comparison, it's 2 different weapons, unlike the saber.
Also, form 4 isn't even a style, it's just fucking acrobatics and dodging, which would be part of normal core shit every Jedi should learn. The saber forms make no sense, and literally exist so that you can get to roll different dice in a rpg.
Thanks for making me sperg, I fucking hate you EU faggots so much.
>>62775486
Good job. I'm not even a SW fan but I can appreciate the effort. It's a big ass website after all.
>>62775513
You seem to have alot of hate
>>62775513
> Thanks for making me sperg, I fucking hate you EU faggots so much.
Sounds like you just hate it so much you'll come up with any argument you can.
Have fun being mad I guess :^)
>>62775513
you're just as obnoxious as the EU fags senpai
>>62774718
>Who fights with what?
Obi-Wan - Soresu
Anakin/Vader - Djem So
Luke - Djem So (by mirroring Vader)
Dooku - Makashi
Mace - Vapaad
Maul - Juyo
Qui-Gon and TPM Obi-Wan - Ataru
Yoda and Sheev are masters of all forms.
>>62773874
Yellow has best balance. Not too weak, not too slow.
>mfw people used red in multiplayer
Scrubs.
>>62775548
It's true, I can't stand kids reading some retard fan fiction bullshit, that exists solely as supplemental income to Lucasarts, then trying to retroactively apply it to movies.
I'll pop a blood vessel the next time someone tries to tell me Mace beat Sheev because he used "Vaapad."
>>62775576
Don't bother, I'm already mad.
Soresu or Ataru are the best
>>62775594
>Yoda and Sheev are masters of all forms.
Yoda loses to Mace though in lightsaber combat.
>>62775230
This.
It makes sense when you consider that.
>>62775620
Mace beat Sheev because he used Vaapad, the perfect counter for dark side users like Sheev
>>62775486
I think this is the first time I've believed someone on the internet claiming to be someone on the internet
>>62775630
Mace is overrated as fuck, in the EU, he can't even beat Dooku, much less take on Yoda.
>>62775620
Obi-Wan was able to defeat Anakin by using Soresu.
What technique can Jedi use against something like a Shotgun that has spread pellets?
>>62775620
> I'll pop a blood vessel the next time someone tries to tell me Mace beat Sheev because he used "Vaapad."
t.bh sheev was way underpowered in the movie, but that's basically what happened
>>62775656
>>62775671
I deserve this.
>>62775620
Luke beat Vader mirroring Vader's Djem So and using it against him
>>62775630
Nah, Yoda would crush Mace.
>>62775684
run fast in the opposite direction
>>62775684
Force Speed of course, to get the fuck out of the way.
>>62775684
Force repel them back
>>62775655
Don't say that to the purists. Everything outside of the movies is considered cancer to them, even the parts that makes sense.
There's a lot of dumb fucking shit in the EU and ultimately it's a good thing it got scrapped, but there is some good things among that huge pile of shit.
>>62773874
Those are like the least descriptive illustrations possible.
>>62775684
A simple take shield like Vader does in ESB is enough.
>>62774958
>that'd be like Bruce Jenner saying he can run but he can't pole vault
Are you implying that everyone who can run fast is also a master pole vaulter?
>>62775684
That running shit from tpm
The deflection thing from ESB.
Take your pick
>>62775671
Are high ground techniques a part of Soresu?
Would a Jedi be able to stop bullets midair matrix style?
>>62775737
I don't think there are many SW fans that are really purists. There are the fans who like everything (or most stuff anyway including the novels) and the casuals who saw the films and like them but think the EU is silly.
>>62775737
>but there is some good things among that huge pile of shit.
And light saber forms are not among the good things.
>>62775812
There's a force ability called Tutaminis which allows the user to deflect energy.
I don't think they'd be able to stop bullets, but they could likely redirect them.
>>62775684
>What technique can Jedi use against something like a Shotgun that has spread pellets?
Not much, other than anticipating and avoiding it to begin with.
But that's ok, since Jedi are not elite indestructible soldiers. They are monks, basically, who INCIDENTALLY are also dangerous warriors as a result of their abilities. The light saber is just a prop for their meditation and shit.
>>62775773
>The deflection thing from ESB.
Not ever Jedi has Vader's lightsaber resistant armor though.
>>62775853
There's a scene in the first clone was cartoon where a Bounty Hunter fires hundreds of small, bullet like objects at Obi Wan, but he redirects them.
Force forms are even dumber. If the EU latched on to those also I'll laugh until the sun goes down.
>>62775737
I dont care for the vast majority of the EU. I have a fondness for Bounty Hunter, Battlefront 2, and The Force Unleashed.and the Lego games
But when you consider how fucking long the Jedi Order has been around, it makes sense. Fuck the purists, they're whiny faggots.
>>62775812
Its reasonable to assume so. They'd just have to be much faster than the person firing the gun.
>>62775877
I always assumed that was some badass Force shit that Vader could do, because fuck you he's Vader.
>>62775881
>many different actual forms and techniques
Please provide an example of these forms. Not techniques, those are understandable.
>>62774728
>I'm a normiefaggot fuck off nerds star wars vii ftw
ftfy
>>62775097
But the light saber isn't a weapon. It's a tool. (They say it in the film, fuck you EU)
So normies can use it as a tool aswell! (No normie would get into a fight anyway because he wouldn't be a normie then, duh)
>>62775913
>I always assumed that was some badass Force shit that Vader could do, because fuck you he's Vader.
It is. See >>62775853
>>62774135
You forgot
Moji-Recto: A form focused exclusively on positioning oneself behind the opponent and inserting the lightsaber into their rectum. A fight between two Moji-Recto masters can last for days as they circle each other trying to get to the other's butt.
This form has +2 attack versus Ataru and -3 special versus Soresu.
>>62775913
>I always assumed that was some badass Force shit that Vader could do, because fuck you he's Vader.
Maybe, but it seemed that it was the armor. Vader never bothered to dodge blaster bolts in the movies, and when the bolt hit him in ESB it just sparked and left some smoke, which is the same shit that happens when it hits anything. Also, his armor block a lightsaber strike to his shoulder.
Seems to me that it was the badass armor more than anything.
>>62775943
Well look at that.
Sweet.
>>62775913
>I like video games
>>62775965
No, the real life varying forms. Pick a real weapon, and tell me about its forms.
Soresu bros ww@
Soresu is the only correct answer. Free proficiency in High Ground at tenth level? Don't mind if I do.
>>62776000
Oh fuck you, Bounty Hunter was fucking sweet.
>>62776002
go look them up if you want it so badly desu
>>62776081
Oh no, please do tell em about the various forms of the dagger, or perhaps the forms of the axe.
I mean, they do exist, don't they?
>>62776125
not him but why wouldn't they exist
>>62775609
>not using blue, then insta-switch to red
dat forward stab followed by leaping overhead heavy strike tho
>>62776157
He claims lightsaber forms have an equivalent in real "forms" of real historical weapons.
I'm just curious for an example. Not, techniques, no doubt those exist.
>>62776239
Tbqh I only used blue when dealing with storm troopers. Only used red if I wanted a saber fight to look "epic". The end game goes best with yellow tho
>>62773874
Why did someone make that graph? It barely gives people any information.
>>62776307
>>62776239
>>62776307
Well fuck you too. Now I have to reinstall that game.
>>62775609
yellow is for true plebs
>dfa mastah race
Look at all you fuckers. This is the worst fandom. Bar none.
>>62775413
>THOUSANDS of jedi in a galaxy of trillions of life forms
>big deal and a change for the worse
This is what babbys actually think
>>62776015
the only form worth learning in the sw universe.
Hmmm I wonder if Jedi have a special diet, too. You think they wear a certain type of underwear? I'm fascinated by this stuff.
>>62776710
I think some sources say that they're vegetarians. (sanctity of life, and all that). This obviously wouldn't apply to species that purely evolved as carnivores, though
>>62774135
What was the lightsaber form that was extremely weak and everyone who used it died at Geonosis?
>>62776257
Jedi are largely based on samurai, I'm not expert but I'll wager they'd have different kinds of techniques in their fighting style.
>>62773874
does anyone know how all those jedipedia pages dealt with 99% of their content being declared non-canon?
>>62776821
>techniques
No one is denying the fact that techniques exist. I'm asking for these forms.
Also, OT Jedi were based on Samurai, PT combat is based on the rule of cool.
Are we sure that the Rebels show is canon?
>>62776762
Omg that's so fascinating. I wonder if Jedi do Tai chi? Do they work out? What kind of haircuts are they allowed to have? Do they shave their body hair?
>>62776844
By shifting the old articles to legend. And starting new canon articles, patiently awaiting for Disney to tell the new canon.
Honestly, nothing changed for them.
>>62776815
niiman
it's good only if you can use force abilities
>>62773874
>>62774135
So I assume this lightsaber techniques were made to explain why the lightsaber battles in the prequels were so different from the ones in the OT
I guess everybody on the prequels used Ataru or Vaapad, right? All of them used acrobatics and spinning except maybe Dooku.
And all of the OT battles were Djem So as well?
>>62776851
What is the difference between a form and a technique? I've always just thought of it as the Star Wars way of saying it.
Whichever one will prevent my hand from being cut off by a beam of light
>>62776866
All the Jedi in all the movies were in pretty good shape, so it's very possible.
>>62776821
According to the philosophy of the Samurai the fighting style is nothing more than the extension of the psyche/mentality. Just like the sword is just an extention of your arm.
With much practice and hard training this style shows more and more.
Samurai don't learn fighting techniques which have fancy names and special powers. They learn a lot of moves and it also involves a good portion of chivalry/philosophy.
So Star Wars can suck a bag of dicks.
what form would Willem Dafoe use?
>>62773874
When did Star Wars turn into fucking anime?
>>62776844
They divided the content in "Legends" (EU) and "Canon". It's funny that when you enter a wookieepedia article they send you to the Legends version of the article instead of the Canon one. They know nobody would look at the Legends one otherwise
>>62776897
mostly yes, but luke used some spinning and jumbing in episodes 5+6 (ataru)
also obi wan used soresu(defence) in 2+3
>>62776986
The autism is real
>>62776938
Is there any way I can read a 100 page diary of Obi WANs life??? It must be in the EU somewhere.
>>62774135
Wait, so having the Higher Ground is not a technique? Was Obi-Wan a madman?
I'd buy this if the styles only applied to certain lightsaber designs. Jedi build their own lightsabers, are you telling me I'm going to build a big laser sword and then pretend it's a rapier? No, I'd build a smaller easier to use weapon if I wanted a fencing style, and so on.
>>62776946
juyo, the crazy bastard
>>62777006
i was really bored during highschool
>>62775468
>starkiller clone
wtf am I watching?
>>62775666
He fucking whoops ass on Sheev though. Sheev would have been dead if it weren't for anakin being a fuccboi.
>>62775666
>, in the EU
doesn't matter
>>62774135
>No Sheev-Kune-Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh3PNe9cNYA
>>62775913
>I always assumed that was some badass Force shit that Vader could do, because fuck you he's Vader.
If you're skilled enough with the Force you can do anything. Yoda stopped Force lightning with his bare hands like he didn't give a fuck. Same with Obi-Wan and Mace Dindu blocking it with their lightsabers.
Blocking a normal blaster bolt should be pretty easy in comparison.
>>62777073
Sheev let him win. He wanted Jake Lloyd to find him at Dindu Windu's mercy.
>>62776363
Nope. Supernatural is worse.
>>62777176
>Sheev let him win
best meme
>>62776938
What he said
>>62773874
I'm a master of Soresu'Vapaad'Shi Djem So Ataru Makashi Niman Cho. I can dual wield saber staffs in perfect defensive/offensive harmony while channeling force attacks from my feet. My master was Luuuke (look it up scrubs).
>>62773874
Spinaru
>>62777176
I once stated this and was told that george lucas himself said that mace would have won without ontervention by anakin, don't remember if I was given source though
Lord Vader says
>Fuck your form
FOR LUCASSSSSS
>>62777268
That's weird. During their fight Sheev literally has his lightsaber pointed at Dindu's chest while Dindu's arms are spread. Looks to me like he deliberately didn't stab him
https://youtu.be/4ESOrF_u1hg?t=63
>>62777434
skip to 1:05
>>62777459
Elaine is such a qt
>>62777465
I see. well as I said I share that opinion too and if george lucas really had a differnt intent, then he executed the scene badly
>>62776909
>technique
Half-swording, or hitting with the pommel. These individual maneuvers that can be used in the combat, but they do not constitute entire "forms." You don't have a "pommel form" or "half-swording" because that's asking to get killed and limiting what you can do. You are not using a sword just so you can hit someone with the pommel over and over and ignoring the blade.
Star Wars forms basically make 0 sense in that context, it only sounds good on paper but has no basis in practicality, in real life or film. Form 2 is "pretend you are a fencer," form 5 pretend you sword is heavy, and form 4 is "pretend you are an acrobat." It just makes lightsabers combat sound idiotic.
>>62776897
>So I assume this lightsaber techniques were made to explain why the lightsaber battles in the prequels were so different from the ones in the OT
No. George never even bothered to explain it. In the OT, sabers were heavy, in the PT they were weight less. Which, you can easily tell if you watch the movies. There is explanation other that "weightless lazer sword allows for cool choreography."
if jedi's were real i'd prob go soresu with godtier defense no one can touch you
>>62777459
>George with such a minor role
Yeah fuck you too senpai
>>62773874
>>62774135
>>62773914
>>62774718
>>62774754
>>62774796
>>62778851
upvoted :^)
