Rwby/RT General #81 fear not, for you are in Elysium Edition:
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RWBY Chibi - Latest Episode:
>http://roosterteeth.com/episode/rwby-chibi-season-1-episode-2
RvB Season 14 - Latest Episode:
>http://roosterteeth.com/episode/red-vs-blue-season-14-episode-1-room-zero
Shane's Letter about why he left RT:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view
https://sunwukxng.tumblr.com/post/144412826974/if-adam-taurus-was-so-hell-bent-on-ruining-blakes
I think this is a pretty good description of why the Adam-Blake fight was so shit.
Yet another example of why the Faunus are the worst written part of this series-by far
Neon Katt!
reese is only allowed to use the computer for an hour a day
Anyone got the mu link for the new chibi episode?
>>2875024
Every single part of what that retard said was wrong.
>>2875080
> defending Shane's Montyboner drivel
You might be more at home in the YouTube comments
what if roman told you to put neo to bed while he went out but she didn't want to and was running around being silly?
>>2874991
I watched the finale. That wasn't a fight.
>>2875002
>I only remember her getting knocked out once
Mercury literally kicked her in the face and deactivated her semblance. But sure, keep going with your "Blake is the worst fighter on RWBY" meme.
>>2875037
>sunwukxng.tumblr.com
>Obviously upset over Adam coming back into the picture because MUH ECLIPSE.
>Unfriendly Black Slytherin Hottie #2
>Adam | Age: ??? | April 21st | (Male) | Cis (He/Him/His, They/Them/Theirs) | Hella gay | Literal Prince | Canadian | Taurus | INFP |
Opinion disregarded.
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>>2875037
> He was JUST trying to kill her. He JUST attempted to decapitate her with literally zero hesitation. And now that she’s easy pickings, he, what, let’s her leave and turns and slowly and calmly walks away?
Its a sign that hes fucking crazy if you ask me
>>2875137
>Mercury literally kicked her in the face and deactivated her semblance.
He didn't knock her out you fucking dumbass. He just kicked her and she immediately took out her scroll to contract someone
>>2875157
I am going to ask you- and I like your answer.
If that last encounter made anything clear, it's that Adam Taurus is not an emotionally healthy man.
>>2875137
>"Blake is the worst fighter on RWBY" meme.
>Saying the rogue/thief character is the worst fighter on the team is a meme
>>2875134
Crack open her skull and gorge myself on the decadent candy encased within.
>>2875118
>slurping on Burnie's nuts while he assfucks any employee that didn't readily open their mouths in invitation
I don't doubt for a second that Shane was biased and RT didn't actually have any malicious intent with what they were doing. But every single thing he talked about was probably completely true in how it happened.
>>2875197
You couldn't beat Neo. Few can...
>>2875204
Kathleen said it was. So, make of that what you will.
>>2875213
>She can
>>2875134
I'd let her have her way until you got tired then snuggle in bed with her.
>>2875213
My ilk have the strongest mandibles in the land, there's no skull we can't crack.
wait so were Blake and Adam like a thing before she left or what
>>2875204
I can accept that, I think, but you have to keep in mind it's coming through such a heavily biased lense that it all has to be taken with a grain of salt. He's not giving us the full context, just his take on events.
I think a good example of this is the Sheena thing. Shane saw it as a major affront how RT "wouldn't work with her". But, last thread, a volunteer on the RT website made a journal pointing out she was never affiliated with or employed by RT to begin with. Shane doesn't see it like that at all, since he has a very particular view of things.
>>2875216
I'll take of it that we'll probably get a better show in the long run but it'll always have the tainted aftertaste of bullshit that's impossible to shake from the back of your mind.
When that anon said ignorance was bliss, he was right.
>>2875377
yeah don't you remember that scene where adam said he missed the taste of blake's asshole
Anybody have the new RvB episode yet?
>>2875216
Kathleen, as much as I love her, hasn't worked at RT since 2013, she has no means of knowing if what Shane said was true.
I think there was a very homosexual component to Shane's feelings for Monty, that level of reverence simply isn't likely to be platonic. Further evidence of this is how strongly he latched on to Sheena after Monty passed. Classic transference.
>>2875384
>Ignorance is bliss
For fuck sake we've been talking about how it was obvious the show was gonna change and that Monty wasn't some all powerful God, how has confirmation changed that?
Great choreographer and world builder. Weird person. Shitty writer.
>>2875379
That "volunteer" was a complete idiot.
As for Sheena, I can see exactly why she was cut out. Having her work on the show off the books doesn't work from a business standpoint, but they also just didn't want - Or couldn't, for whatever reason - Give her an official job.
As for "cutting her off", that's just them being dense assholes. Everyone in the moment says things like "If you ever need anything just call" to a widow, but nobody ever reaches out on their own. Sheena wasn't a real friend to most of the company, she was Monty's wife, so there's just no bond or forced connection, and they drifted apart almost right away.
It's still kind of shitty of them, but I doubt it was a situation like "Fuck this bitch she's gone ASAP".
What if Yang kept saying that she wants you fuck her sweet 17 year old teen pussy out loud in public
>>2875510
I agree, but I think the "ignorance = bliss" sentiment still rings true. We didn't really need this uncertainty and conflict over RWBY's stability and RT's morality.
Regardless, I think the letter hasn't had much of an impact anyway. A lot of level-heads came forward to cast doubt on what he was saying.
S-So, uh. No /co/ threads anymore? I haven't visted in a bit, just returned 'cause chibi happened.
Arkos is best ship! Keep Jaune pure for Pyrrha!
>>2875536
They couldn't give her an official job because she has literally no experience in it. She's not written, directed, produced or even animated a show in a "proper" setting.
Gray has various experience with animation studios. Matt has experience with animation studios. Burnie spent a decade making one of the most succesful web shows ever. M&K have been groomed by RT for years for roles like this.
Sheena is a cosplayer.
>>2874995
>Posting Atlesian Knights-200 the literal nigger droids of Atlas that turned against civilians, huntresses and fellow military leaving Vale a ruined shit hole.
>Not posting the based bro tier Atlesian Knights-130 that gave their lives trying to stop Edgelord Adam and Worst Cat from slaughtering the innocent passengers on the train from the RWBY black trailer.
DELETE THIS THREAD NOW OP!
>>2875510
It breaks the illusion of Rooster Teeth as just a bunch of friends and shows that they're just a corporation like any other.
The show might be better, but I'd gladly have it worse if it was legitimately made with passion by people that love their jobs and inject their all into it.
>>2875536
Why is he an idiot? He's pretty much been saying what RWBYg has been saying. Things about how Shane couldn't adapt to more practical animation methods, and how he was holding up (what he viewed as) "Monty's vision" as infallible.
>>2875589
Yeah, Reporters kept reporting and shitposting about it and other people just kept writing greentexts to "Rebel" or kept taking the bait. So instead of just flatout saying that Greentexts aren't or are allowed and ending the conflict the mods just nuked the general until fall
>>2875636
Ah, alright. Makes sense, I guess. Thank you.
>>2875565
"Level heads" isn't what I'd go with. Rather than people trying to look at both sides and accept that there was a lot of wrong done, people are generally just dismissing anything Shane had to say.
>>2875565
There isn't any stability issues though.
RT made it clear that Montys plan and ways weren't 100% written in stone. Shane cried and dragged his feet so he was cut loose.
If anything, RWBY will be more secure going forward.
Minute Made is still the better ship name for based time lord and her love machine
>>2875050
Don't scare Neon with Neon.
>>2875612
Arkos will rise!
>>2875621
She actually DID help Monty with animation, he worked from home constantly.
Hell, just make her a "creative consultant". She could easily relay some shit about the universe and design new outfits or something.
Best crack ship.
>>2875711
>>2875628
RT stopped being a "group of friends" when they moved out of Congress.
Anyone who thought otherwise is dumb. It also shows how good RT is at PR though to be fair.
>>2875671
I like Ciel. Considering cosplaying her for RTX but I dunno if I wanna spend the time in a costume, considering how casual it is.
>>2875678
What if Neon saw RWBYg and the posts of her M E M E D R E A M E R fans?
Would she approve or simply be disturbed?
>>2875629
Shane has his flaws for sure, but from what I've seen most are focusing entirely on that. It's practically an unspoken assumption than anything and everything RT did was for the best, or even that they're completely innocent.
>>2875701
Helping your husband at home isn't experience, especially when that man is Monty Oum, workaholic and absolute madman.
>>2875731
are you a cute brown girl
>>2875670
But that's just the thing, how can you say that what Monty wanted could be changed, dismissed or ignored with no problem, but ALSO take no issue with RT holding him up as a martyr with them carrying his wishes into the future?
>>2875671
That's a horrible name.
Could Commander Shepard save Remnant?
>He is all classes combined
>>2872790
You know you've got it made when you've been labeled in a greentext
>>2873216
>Skin changing
>tumblr
Nigga wat the fuck have you been readin, I listed why I do the skin changes here>>2871989, which, is not for any tumblr tier "muh representation" bullshit, but because tanned rwby girls look sexy/ might be someone's fetish
I might as well do it whilst we're on /trash/
>>2875787
>>2875768
Cute is objective, but I am brown and I am a certified George Foreman grill.
>>2875543
I'd drown out her shouts with my own.
>IMMA DEFILE THAT PUSSY. AND THAT ASS. ESPECIALLY THAT ASS. GRAB YOUR ANKLES AND BITE THE PILLOW XIAO LONG, 'CAUSE I'M GOING IN DRYYYYYY...
It's the only logical solution.
>>2875679
I think a lot of the people who directly work on the show are happy to be there, but the people who are actually in control don't really care. It's been a long running joke that RT's upper staff have no idea why RWBY is popular or what it's supposed to be.
>>2875797
> tfw you waifu a girl who is already brown
Haha, I am immune to your evils, skin darkener anon!
>>2875730
Exactly. It was nice to still believe that the old RT was still kind of their, their entire public face tries to convey that.
It's not nice to know too much.
>>2875543
Press down on her windpipe with my mighty jaws, while my kin tear her limbs with their fangs.
>>2875799
Tits? Post tits.
>>2875612
Pyrrha lied to Jaune's face for month about how she respected and trusted him.
>>2875780
Because RT never said stuff couldn't be changed, dismissed or ignored.
When someone dies you're close to, especially in such a bullshit way, you're always gonna focus on the positives.
>>2875818
Well, the higher-ups are still pumping lots of resources into RWBY. A game and a spin-off series are no small things.
Although the merch department is still weirdly out of sync on that, last I heard.
>>2875797
>already brown
>evils
No John, you are the demons
>They think browning is Tumblr
>>>/e/1919924
Lurk more.
>>2875764
It seems like helping Monty would give the most experience.
But even if she can't animate for shit, it wouldn't be difficult to get her in with something else.
>>2875855
BURN IT BURN IT BURN IT BURN IT
SPIDERS REEEEEE
>>2875874
It's okay when we do it, because it's for fapping purposes.
>>2875900
Spiders eat other buges tho. They a cute.
>>2875876
Which was all off site and done off book as well. What's to stop Kerry going "oh yeah my gf totes helped write with me gib job".
A lot of the letter showed that Shane, and possibly quite a lot of the "monty crew" or whatever he called it, are really stubborn to how the real world of making a show works. I think the sheer level of creative freedom Monty was given gave them a twisted perspective of what it's like.
>>2875918
This. Through dick, unity.
>>2875865
Naw.
>>2875958
to be fair there probably gonna try there best to do what Monty wanted but if it means something that gonna tank the show then nah
>>2875874
On my way to deliver Delicious brown cheer
be back in a jiffy
>>2876007
Them how do we know you're a real grill? Those rules exist for good reason.
>>2875787
It's a fantastic name. But thanks for the real laifu waifu
>>2875733
I don't think Best Cat Neon would be surprised if she discovered she has a loyal and loving M E M E T E A M fan base.
>>2876026
My grates are embarassed, senpai! They get all hot when they're embarassed...
>>2875711
>Emerald always sexually dominated by other girls
Also fuck the "Select street signs" captcha. Sometimes it wants you to just select the actual sign, other times it wants you to select to pole too.
So, we universally agree that RWBY Chibi is shit, yeah?
>>2875958
You talk like Monty's final words before getting coma'd by the allergy shot were "But please, I want Sheena to always forever be in the dev team, and for Raven to kick the everliving shit out of JNPR; nothing else matters in this world."
Ultimately, he would've wanted for the show to be good. He was not the sole mastermind behind everything, so it's stupid to think that the things he came up with were somehow infallible and of objective quality. What Shane sees as "ruining his vision" isn't necessarily bad for the show.
>>2875958
>But also his last wishes for the show he created? We're just sorta gonna go our own way with that.
His last wishes? Lol, he had no "last wishes" He randomly fell into a coma getting an allergy shot.
Also, the show has changed so much every volume. Velvet. Neo. Roman. Ren. Nora. All given bigger roles. The fucking Maiden concept. A prom arc added juat because he wantes a dance sequence.
The guy changed his mind all the time, yet RT still clearly are going in a lot of the direction Monty planned. Boo fricken hoo if the Ruby vs Neo/Roman fight wasn't meant to be on an airship.
>>2876014
>if it means something that gonna tank the show then nah
The why did they kill Pyrrha?
>>2876084
Cardboard doesn't sink, anon.
>>2876084
>Implying that's a bad thing
>>2876064
I agree. It tries way to hard to be goofy and cute. I cringe at it honestly.
>>2876084
She didn't matter.
>>2875969
>are really stubborn to how the real world of making a show works.
That's the POINT. Monty didn't make RWBY just to get a crazy successful show, and that's not why Shane was working there either. They were doing it because that's what they loved, it was some make anime real bullshit. And making things more corporate, for a better show at the expense of the creativity and freedom that brought it into existence, is some sad as fuck Salem "I will extinguish that flame" bullshit.
>What's to stop Kerry going "oh yeah my gf totes helped write with me gib job".
Are you fucking kidding me.
>>2876064
RWBY is shit.
If Chibi allows M&K to throw out all their shit gags that can't be put in the actual show afterwards, I'm happy.
>>2876084
Pyrrha was dead before episode 1 IIRC. That wouldn't change even if Monty was alive
>>2876064
No, we do not.
I think it's good for what it is. A cute, fun little show that tries to do something different but simple with the characters. I've laughed at every one so far, so I'm happy with it.
>>2875711
Would this make Emerald an sort of stepmother to Nadir, Bolin and Reese?
Would Emerald be able to keep up her nice persona when Reese kept telling Emerald to watch her do a hoverboard trick, but fell over every time?
>>2876014
I really doubt anything that was cut or changed could have "tanked the show", it could have even been great if done well. The point is they didn't try.
>>2876080
You know, if I wasn't too lazy to go find a pen, I would go to my room and take a picture of one of my posters with a time stamp to fuck with you.
Instead, be mildly entertained by the idea.
>>2876146
>And making things more corporate, for a better show at the expense of the creativity and freedom that brought it into existence, is some sad as fuck Salem "I will extinguish that flame" bullshit.
And?
Remember these brave Knights protected us from the White Fang scum, we must never forget their sacrifice.
>>2876191
>The point is they didn't try.
How do you "try" not cutting certain scenes? Do you include like half a scene? Or leave everything in but then change it if it doesn't match the plot/tone well? The fuck are you even talking about?
>>2876191
>Didn't try
Pyrrha got disintegrated by Cinder. Penny ripped apart. Yang lost her arm. Silver eyes.
When "Yang and Merc weren't meant to fight on a raised platform, also only my friend JJ can voice Mercury not this random Yuri guy >:(" is one of your main points on them changing his vision, it's clear they are following it a lot.
>>2876223
You are correct, I am mildly entertained
There's always the tried and true "take a picture of the thread" method, it worked for the chobani yogurt guy
>>2876068
>>2876076
It's not like it was his last words literally, but goddamn. Changing scenes and plot elements or fights he'd been excited for for years, moving IMMEDIATELY away from the development atmosphere that he loved, all the while talking him up, that's some cold shit.
Maybe it would've been worse. Maybe it would've been better. Neither is relevant to the fact that if Monty was alive, he would have objected at every step. It's just wrong to say that you're doing everything as he would have wanted, and carry on like that.
>>2876064
Nah we can't
Fuck you I found this and Blake be nimble thing funny
>>2876146
You're being melodramatic as fuck about this.
Monty knew he needed RT to have a chance of making RWBY. That means he also knew what he was going to lose.
The guy is dead. Things could never be the same as they were before. Literally impossible. It sucks, but it isn't "oh woe is the world, we are but pawns in the game of chess RT is playing" sucks.
>>2876225
AND, that's wrong. Maybe the show will be better, maybe it was 100% the correct thing to do, but it's still not right.
>>2876332
>Fairly Odd Parents
>>2876353
>but it's still not right.
And?
>>2876048
Emerald will rise up anon.
Yeah it can be pretty shit especially when it sometimes wants you to select the center of the signs only and other times it wants you to also get the little ends as well.
>>2876146
They weren't doing it at the expense of creativity and freedom. They were doing it so that the animators of the fucking fight scenes wouldn't be a bunch of fuckwits off doing their own thing.
>>2876303
>moving IMMEDIATELY away from the development atmosphere that he loved
"He". That's the point.
Monty was a very respected animator, that's why they let him get away with using Poser or throwing fights together on the fly with no storyboarding. That doesn't mean same respect goes for Shane as well (despite him also being good at his work), nor does it mean other animators on the team like this kind of development process. If everybody was okay with it, they wouldn't have decided to change it.
>>2876238
"Try" as in, "Shit was cut wholeheartedly with no trace left in the show whatsoever".
>>2876265
>minor fight details were the main point
>not stuff like completely cutting Raven's presence from the volume
>not stuff like removing Jaune from the final confrontation entirely
>not stuff like removing fights that Monty had wanted for years and had already done extensive work on, which will never see the light of day again because of the program change
>>2876303
>>2876353
You're acting like as soon as the plug was pulled, Burnie turned around and went "And now we can pull the plug on using Poser, AMIRITE FELLAS!". It shows that Shane only referring to them as "producer" and "ceo" in the letter worked in your case to make RT sound as robotic as possible.
I'd wager RT and Monty clashed on things from the very beginning, but always found a middle ground. Sadly, with Monty gone, the old way wouldn't work purely because only Monty could do it well enough.
Burnie cried on a hilltop as he watched his kids playing in the snow, because he missed his friend. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but one that had to be done in order to even slightly keep his dream alive.
>>2876452
>not stuff like completely cutting Raven's presence from the volume
>not stuff like removing Jaune from the final confrontation entirely
>not stuff like removing fights that Monty had wanted for years and had already done extensive work on, which will never see the light of day again because of the program change
You mean shit that in the past has proven to fuck with the pacing of the show?
>>2876303
Monty is dead. Gone. He kicked the bucket and bought a farm.
He is not around anymore. That means that Miles, Kerry and co. can't consult him anymore.
Does that mean that literally everything he ever said, implied or mentioned should be followed to the T? Of course not, that's fucking retarded. He wasn't perfect while alive, and he sure isn't while dead. It's idiotic to think that he would have just dismissed every concern and criticism from other people because their ideas weren't his—nobody is that self-absorbed.
Same goes for his workflow: why keep it? Glorifying his maverick ways just because he's dead doesn't make sense.
If you have dozens of people working on a single project you need a unified system and not a jury-rigged Poser setup only two people know their way around.
>>2876452
>"Try" as in, "Shit was cut wholeheartedly with no trace left in the show whatsoever".
Because they decided that shit didn't work with the plot. And from what I've seen, it doesn't.
Raven's fight with JNPR sounds to me exactly like Penny's reveal. As in, Monty wanted to do a kewl fighting scene but didn't think how it would fit in with the rest of the volume. Blake vs Adam and Yang vs Adam scenes were talked about extensively before. Basically, Adam OHKO Yang has more impact that Yang exchanging blows with him and then getting her arm cut off.
what if you were laying in bed one night and ruby got into your bed and got in between your arms and snuggled close to you and not in some kind of fantasy where you live in remnant she just got into your bed tonight
>>2876285
I went out in the rain for this. I better get a (You).
>>2876441
Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this would be entertaining... But I'd like Emerald to outlive Cinder, and have an arc about her mourning but eventually coming out of Cinder's shadow and becoming her own villain.
She's probably not important enough to get that sort of treatment, but an anon can imagine.
>>2876303
Here's the thing though. We can't be sure how the production season would have gone had monty lived. On the previous commentaries, which include Monty, him and M&K talk all the time about how things are cut, added or pushed. That guy had a very key point in that journal post about "kill your darlings". Shane's an animator, he's very focused on the animation and retaining what animation moments Monty wanted. But, editing is something that does and should happen. It's entirely possible that in the writing some of those events would have been altered, pushed or cut entirely anyway. The world literally will never know.
And personally, I don't think it's cold so much as just RT got handed a big burden in a lot of ways. Lots of people in the company were close to Monty, RWBY was a big success with a lot of fans, that's a lot of irons they had to keep in the fire. I guess from a certain definition its "cold", in that it's a calculated measure so that RT could handle RWBY and continue working on it as best they could without having its creative guru or whatever. Saying it's "cold" makes it sound like they're being emotionally harsh for its own sake, instead of what seems more likely as them being like "shit, the fuck do we do now?".
>>2876561
Ask her to take me to Remnant
>>2876593
A (You) for you, fine grill.
>>2876591
>You shouldn't be happy about it though.
Why not? It makes for a better show. I respect Monty as a designer and animator but he needs to stay the fuck away from writing shit.
Ultimately, all I care about is the quality of the show. Woulda-shoulda-coulda and opinions of dead people do not matter.
>>2876561
Neat. She's underage though so no. Also she'd look spooky in real life since she's you know, an animated girl.
I imagine she'd look like one of those bad "80's/90's cartoon in the real world" movies we get these days.
>>2876591
>You shouldn't be happy about it though.
I'm extremely happy about it.
I don't give a shit about what Monty wanted. The only of value he contributed during the course of production were the fight scenes and by all accounts the worst bits of the series were brought about because of his whims.
>>2876593
Allright, you've convinced us.
I thought it was literally just dudes here, too.
Remember the Breach
>>2876552
>Blake vs Adam and Yang vs Adam scenes were talked about extensively before. Basically, Adam OHKO Yang has more impact that Yang exchanging blows with him and then getting her arm cut off.
Yeah,but comes with the trade off of her beating him later feeling like a copout.
>>2876591
I want my waifu to stay on for as long as she can if it means that they don't follow monty's will then so be it
>>2876593
cute grill 8/10 would insert meat into
>>2876593
Call me George Foreman, 'cause that's a nice grill
Did your t-shirt get wet though?
>>2876591
You shouldn't be happy about it though. If Monty was alive he'd hate it, and it would defeat the entire reason he wanted to do the show to start with.
Says who? His protégé who worshipped the ground he walked on? Or you since you are acting like you know the guy?
If anything, Monty would be pissed that Shane wrecked his marriage to "carry his torch". I doubt that's what Monty wanted when he said "keep moving forward".
>>2876498
>Burnie cried on a hilltop as he watched his kids playing in the snow, because he missed his friend.
Two questions.
First, is this something that was actually said to have happened?
Second, if this IS something that was said to have happened, are you really so fucking gullible that you believe this?
"Burnie cried on a hilltop while watching his kids play in the snow because he missed Monty"
No. That never happened even he or anyone else claimed it did. That imagery is some Hollywood drama movie tier shlock.
Believing that this happened is just as gullible as taking Shane's letter with anything but a grain of salt.
So please, tell me you're just trying to spout some kind of analogy that doesn't make any sense.
>>2876505
>>2876552
You have no idea how it would have gone, for either the plot or the pacing. What, they couldn't cut one of the shitty tournament episodes early on for a scene that could have way bigger ramifications down the line? There is NO writing that makes Jaune's involvement in the end good? Some of the last animation that Monty ever did, which can't ever be used again, there was just no time for that?
>>2876694
>beating him later feeling like a copout.
How?
You got beat because you acted like an idiot and now that you're not and you've trained more you're winning.
>>2876452
>not stuff like completely cutting Raven's presence from the volume
Maybe it didn't make sense. Maybe it didn't fit the plot, maybe they ran out of time, maybe they wanted to keep her as a surprise, maybe they're planning on making her attack RNJR instead.
If Monty got everything he wanted the episodes would be feature-length movies, so pointing at a single cut scene and screaming incoherently about RT RUINING EVERYTHING is stupid.
Same goes for Jaune butting into the final confrontation and Yang fighting Adam. It's not like Kerry just started randomly cutting up the script the moment Monty was six feet under, you have no idea just how much thought they put into whether to keep, change or remove any of those scenes.
Hell, the scene where Yang loses her arm was great. Instead of a drawn-out fight we get a very surprising scene where Yang's recklessness is instantly punished and Adam is cemented as a highly dangerous enemy.
Would it have been better the way Monty originally wanted it to be? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the original version was utter shit.
>>2876728
>You have no idea how it would have gone, for either the plot or the pacing.
Except we've already seen what Monty's ideas do to the pacing of the show. And how little of a shit he gave about the writing.
>>2876735
Because he was set up as too far above the protagonists. And then there's the whole not chasing them down and finishing them because the script says he can't.
>>2876597
I would prefer Emerald to turn good. All Cinder really did was take her off the street. The whole thing about her repaying Cinder is going to quickly stop once reality kicks in and she realizes she is going to destroy the entire world just because somebody gave her a home.
>Cinder is fighting the heroes
>In a power struggle against the heroes
>Yells for Emerald to help her tip the struggle in her favor to win
>Emerald decides its her way out of the whole mess without punishment
>She betrays Cinder and gets her killed
>>2876724
Burnie is cheesy as fuck. It wasn't how I said it happened. It wasn't "Hey kids go throw a snowba-OH GOD I MISS MONTY WAAAAH WAAAAAH".
>>2876728
>What, they couldn't cut one of the shitty tournament episodes early on for a scene that could have way bigger ramifications down the line?
Explain to me how involving Raven in the plot this early would've been good. You obviously think it could've been done without fucking up the pacing.
So, I'm all ears. Give me your scenarios.
>Some of the last animation that Monty ever did, which can't ever be used again, there was just no time for that?
No. Because that's exactly what proper communication is for, to avoid doing stuff you will later discard.
But Monty didn't animate those fights for the show. He did it because he wanted to do it, and here's the problem — what he wants to do and what works best for the show aren't always the same thing. See: dance night arc.
>>2876830
>wet shoulders
>wet hair
>>2876757
>Because he was set up as too far above the protagonists.
They can make the final showdown with him long, gruesome and not rewarding for characters at all, with a lot of risk-taking and putting lives on the line.
It won't be fun and flashy but I think it could be done in a way that doesn't scream "FAKE" or "He lost because the script says so".
YET ANOTHER DAILY REMINDER
>You don't know anyone at Rooster Teeth on a personal level.
>You didn't know Monty Oum.
>You have no idea how everyone there felt about Monty's death or not.
>You can not say everyone there loved Monty. Statistically speaking, there was bound to be a few people there who didn't care for him. Nobody has even been that well loved. Even Jesus wasn't loved by everyone.
>The only thing you know about RT and their staff are the things they want you to know about them. You think what they want you to think about them, and we've already seen that occasionally one of these people who everyone thought was cool slips, and it turns out they were dicks the entire time.
>Stop being a faggot and defending a bunch of fucking Texan dude-bros who have no idea you even exist.
>Stop shilling so hard for a bunch of fucking Texan dude-bros who have no idea you even exist.
Anyone who feels the need to jump to the side of a COMPANY and defend the fuckers that work there when you have absolutely no idea what truly goes on behind the scenes is just as much of a gullible fucking child as the dumbfucks who jump to Shane's defense and take everything in that letter as 100% fact.
These people aren't your friends and they probably never will be. Seriously, some of you faggots take it way too personally when someone speaks ill of Rooster Teeth.
What if Reese got really lost one day, and hoverboarded into Salem's lair?
>>2876917
>posts blake
opinion discarded not even going to read the whole post
>>2876917
>loved
Respected. Different things.
>>2876642
>>2876657
>>2876696
So what you're saying is, you're just assholes. Nothing except the pure quality of the show matters. What the creators might have wanted for the last season they ever worked on, it can be forgotten if it'll just improve the show a little bit in the short term. Shortchanging people because they're fucked up over the death of a friend and can't help being a squeaky wheel, that's fine, that's just business, the wrongdoing was entirely on the guy and the company has no issues whatsoever. For a series in which one of the main themes is individuality, creativity, and freedom, these things can all be sacrificed easily to make the show itself.
Man, I'm not half as incensed as this writing is making me sound, but damn guys. That's harsh.
>>2876705
It's no secret how religious Monty was about his work.
>>2876935
Reese would teach Salem some radical tricks and it would fix everything!
>>2876901
>They can make the final showdown with him long, gruesome and not rewarding for characters at all, with a lot of risk-taking and putting lives on the line.
He's not an endgame villain and we're supposed to be limited to Harry Potter and Star Wars levels of violence though.
I just started reading that comment from that community volunteer and man
even if every word he says is right
what a cucked little shill
>>2876949
>Nothing except the pure quality of the show matters
Yup.
>>2876949
>quality of the show
I'm new to this "discussion"
but are we arguing RWBY is non-shit to a degree where its exact quality matters?
>>2876949
>Nothing except the pure quality of the show matters
Yes.
>What the creators might have wanted for the last season they ever worked on, it can be forgotten if it'll just improve the show a little bit
Yes.
>in the short term
No.
>Shortchanging people because they're fucked up over the death of a friend ... that's fine
No.
>can't help being a squeaky wheel
Shane went far and beyond being a squeaky wheel, if his idolization of Monty's ways in the letter is even somewhat close to real life.
>For a series in which one of the main themes is individuality, creativity, and freedom, these things can all be sacrificed easily to make the show itself.
They aren't sacrificed. Having people move to a newer software and setting up a system that will allow proper communication does not destroy individuality, creativity or freedom.
>>2876994
I mean yeah, if they did everything Monty wanted we probably wouldn't be here discussing this
>>2877017
It has a potential to be non-shit if handled right, and we shouldn't discard this potential because "Monty would've hated this".
>>2876949
>For a series in which one of the main themes is individuality, creativity, and freedom, these things can all be sacrificed easily to make the show itself.
Those themes of individuality, creativity and freedom have repeatedly backfired in the show proper.
>>2876935
i'd probably have to save her as usual because reese can't take care of herself
>>2877023
Where would we be?
Are you implying we would still be on /co/? Is that where we would be?
Blake needs love too!
>>2875686
And it will be glorious.
>>2875866
Yeah.
She basically lied to his face to build up his confidence and in the moment where she actually should have listen to him she fucked him over and destroyed him.
I hope he ends up with a woman Pyrrha hates.
>>2877065
>And it will be glorious.
I have no doubt in my mind now that it will rise.
However, I also have no doubt in my mind that it will be forced, hackneyed, shlock.
It will be one of those things that makes pretty much everyone roll their eyes, and cause a few youtube rant videos over why it was a bad decision.
And then two volumes later everyone will remember Pyrrha's return as—
>"That thing they just needed to get out of the way quickly, instead of torturing everyone by taking their time with it and drawing it out for too long. Like ripping off a band-aid."
>>2877061
She needs a punch to the face
>>2876744
Nigga they ain't "ruining everything". It could be better, it could be WAY better. It's still an unfortunate change.
>>2876754
Doesn't change the fact that you can't know how it would have gone.
>>2876814
Maybe whatever Raven wanted was tied to whoever Jaune really is, or it was connected to Pyrrha's Maiden candidacy and she wanted to prep swaying her away from Ozpin. In the long run it could have suspicions one might have about the other, for Pyrrha it could lead to doubt about Jaune's reliability, and for Jaune it could lead to guilt about not stopping Pyrrha before things got way too out of hand, possibly both. Alternatively it could set up conflict between JNR and RWBY further down the line when Raven really comes into play directly - If Jaune were to call Raven's loyalties and motivations into question, and Ruby wasn't present for such an event, she might be inclined to side more with her sister, depending how things went.
There are countless routes they could take. By not having done it, or the Jaune scene for that matter, those possibilities are closed.
>>2877207
>those possibilities are closed
And new are opened.
what if after their fight reese asked ruby out and she told reese she wasn't a dyke and told her she should read the bible and reese cried and flew away
>>2877061
I know just the guy to give it to her.......
>>2877191
How could a character return not be forced? Is every character revival forced?
I think Pyrrha's return can be done well honestly. Like if it was a life changing journey that causes growth in the characters.
>>2877263
I don't know, man... It would be an awkward situation, for sure.
>>2877263
>Everybody stares in shock
>May starts clapping, tears and snot running down her face
>>2877281
>I think Pyrrha's return can be done well honestly. Like if it was a life changing journey that causes growth in the characters.
That's my point.
It CAN be this.
But it won't be.
It'll be shit.
Like, her revival being solved over the course of a single episode tier shit.
>>2877205
At least Blake bothered to take Yang with her to safety it was Yang's fuck up for charging straight at Adam to begin with.
>Reese is addicted to receiving oral
>People are aware that she isn't exactly the cleanest person so they always refuse, along with the fact that she never gives the person anything back
>She makes plans or traps to try and force people to do it
>>2877426
What do you think of Grimm Pyrrha for a few volumes, ending in redemption?
>>2877489
That's utterly retarded.
>>2877438
At least Yang bothered to go save Blake, Adam probably would have literally fucked her or just killed her if Yang didn't show up.
>>2877489
Arkos will never happen.
>>2877496
What would be your ideal Pyrrha return?
>>2877529
Never killing her in the first place and keeping the character around for another six volumes or so, allowing her to have more impact on the characters and world around her, build up Arkos a bit, have her deal with the consequences of her actions at the tournament and failure to stop Cinder...And THEN kill her.
>>2877529
That she stays dead and she eventually fades away to be that idiot who died early on in the show and didn't matter.
>>2877513
Reminder
>Jaune will forgive Pyrrha for what she did
>She will however never in her life get D'Arc and Jaune will marry a girl completely opposite to her.
When did you grew of your bluepilled, normie safe spaces and realized that Adam Taurus literally did nothing wrong
It takes a real leader to know that non violence gets you nowhere, people don't listen to a sheep, they listen to a Lion, an Army of Lions led by a sheep will not get as far as an army of Lion led by a Bull
You call it genocide, I call it reparations, you call it terrorism, I call it spreading a message, all you bleeding heart Equalists know nothing of Adam's real plan, you say stabbing the worst girl in her abdomen, I call it giving the Traitor what they deserve, Muhammad Gandhi had a dream, a homeland for the Faunus people, look where he is now, an unmarked grave in SDC restricted area
People don't listen to peace, they listen to force, to violence, to fear, he is only doing what's best for his people, the Wizard's Chosen people
>>2877509
Blake never wanted Yang to risk her own skin for her sake and she probably feels guilty for it.
>>2877581
>didn't matter.
While I agree that she should stay dead, you know full fucking well her phantom is going to be hanging over Jaune and Ruby's heads for several more volumes. Jaune's especially.
>>2877637
>Jaune especially
>WWPD
>She'd do that.
>Now lets do the complete opposite.
>>2876994
That's fucked up.
>>2877020
It seemed pretty basic. He didn't like some of the technical and creative changes, spoke against them, cut it close in terms of delivery a few times, basically he was an out of sync cog.
>They aren't sacrificed.
I mean, forcing an animator to go through an entirely different department just to get assets, not allowing them even the slightest few frames (literally) of deviation from the exact mandate, that's sort of messing with freedom and creativity.
Like, the raptor thing right? Monty and Shane just did that to fuck around a little. It was well received enough to be continued, but do you think something similar could happen again? They would probably say to cut it out because they couldn't afford to render it.
>>2877038
If the shows plot is secretly about sacrificing individuality to win a war, it would be kind of ironic and appropriate, but still a bit sad.
>>2877017
That's the worst thing. It's just sort of okay. I don't know if it'll ever be good or great or anything.
Look at it this way: RWBY under Monty was an amateur porn star filming on their camcorder with their boyfriend. Her tits could be better, the guy is a little hairy, but man they're really fucking going at it. Without him it's a AAA shoot, the chick is in Brazzers top ten, and you could do shots out of the dimples on her silicone ass.
But when her dead eyes start to show as she discreetly spits out a few drops of that light facial, and the amateur is blowing out the mic as she squeezes her legs around him for a deep internal cumshot, your dick will understand what it really wants.
>>2877651
And that's why hopefully you don't write.
what are you doing right now
>>2877622
Please stop
>>2877651
>Pyrrha's actions made Jaune a prime target for corruption
>Jaune gets turned Grimm
>Pyrrha comes back
>Has to face the reality that she did this to Jaune
>Has a nervous breakdown every time they have to fight when Jaune is involved
>Eventually Jaune is freed
I dig it.
>>2877690
Eating ice cream.
>>2877603
>Pyrrha comes back
>Jaune is happily married.
>Doesn't even notice Pyrrha comes back.
>>2877678
Something Something Greyjoy something something something Killjoy something something something oh well.
>>2877725
that's nice.
what flavor.
>>2877746
I wouldn't know. Never watched it.
>>2877626
Remove Blake
>>2877731
>What does she have that I don't?
>Working ears.
Why is Blake worst girl when she is objectively best looking RWBY
Second best only behind Coco
>>2877690
Re-watching Tumblristas
>>2877724
>Eventually Jaune is freed
not
>RWBY and NPR are forced to kill him.
Do you even suffering?
>>2877821
What can I say, I'm a sucker for happy endings.
Bonus if "I know you're in there!" moment.
>>2877622
Indeed Adam isn't trying to be the peaceful protester who will only get cucked in the end, instead he's fighting for a true revolution to make things right by his people.
Also dubs confirms Adam is a miss understood hero.
>>2877791
>She can't do for you what I can Jaune.
>Yeah. It's pretty hard for her to shove me in a locker and go off and kill herself.
I love Yang!
>RvB 14 Episode 2
C A P P Y
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>>2877890
>Jaune is passive aggressive as fuck against Pyrrha after she comes back.
>Keeps pointing out that she shoves him in a locker and went off to killer herself.
>>2877821
>RWBY and NPR are forced to kill him
>Not just NPR, and eventually just P when NR are incapacitated halfway through the fight
Do YOU even suffering?
>>2877928
>I've got big plans for our little privates
>Originally, Jaune witnessed and caused Pyrrha's death
Pros:
>these threads wouldn't be filled with whining about Pyrrha
Cons:
>these threads would be filled with whining about Jaune
>>2877949
>He has to put something away in a drawer or cupboard
>Makes sure Pyrrha is looking at him while he does it
>Stares her right in the eyes as he slowly closes it
>>2877987
At least Jaune would be able to redeem himself with the viewers to reverse the bitching.
The only way Pyrrha gets to redeem herself in the eyes of the audience is if they revive her.
>>2877998
>"Pyrrha, go collect some firewood while the rest of us set up camp."
>"Sure thing Ruby."
>"TRY NOT TO SHOVE ANYONE IN A LOCKER WHILE YOU'RE AT IT"
Geoff talking about his daughter shiting on him makes me feel bad for him.
>>2877724
More like:
>Jaune dies in some fucking fight.
>Jaune comes back as Grimm, enslaved to baddies to combat the new hunters because he knows how they tick + overall psychological fuckery.
>Jaune "does well" under his new role, and is able to convince the powers that be (directly or just by example) to bring back Pyrrha.
>Pyrrha now subordinate to Jaune, this time for real because the nature of being soul-less Aka Grimm makes them unable to resist commands.
>Jaune is cold as ice and treats her like a pawn, no attempt at reconciliation or recognition as someone he knows/cares about.
>All part of a master plan because keepmovingforward.jpg.
>Jaune plots and outsmarts his superiors and gives RWBY a chance to take down the bads.
From there its either Arkos has the biggest comeback in Remnant history as they steal back their souls, or they both pass on in peace, free from being Grimm 4 lyfe.
Yes, I am aware this is shit. Life isn't fair.
>>2878075
What happened?
>>2877998
>While drafting strategies for battles Jaune exaggeratedly looks around for open spaces where Pyrrha could possibly shove him.
>Jaune always drafts two battle plans. One plan is the one he wants. The other plan is labeled "When Pyrrha acts like a stupid bitch."
>When asked about his team Jaune says NPR and sometimes if it's not serious Jaune.
>>2878081
Fuck that shit.
Jaune goes evil. Ends up marrying Cinder. They fuck off together before the end of the series.
>>2877690
dumping ass
>>2878130
>Jaune ends up marrying worst girl/villain
>>2878156
>Jaune ends up marrying worst girl/villain
>Jaune ends up with Emerald.
>>2878088
His daughter shat on him
>>2877812
>Use to be a terrorist
>Is friends with thief's
>Abandons her friends [spoiler]twice[/spoiler]
>Meh faunus rights
And your only argument is preferred A E S T H E T I C S.
>>2878115
>H-hey Jaune?
>Yes Pyrrha?
>What do you think about this plan?
>Looking through it I especially like the part where I get shoved in a locker.
>T-that's not part of the plan Jaune.
>THAT'S ALWAYS PART OF THE PLAN.
What if you weren't the answer to Yang's problems
>>2878130
Why do people give a shit about Cinder?
Can somebody please tell me why she's a good villian? Or even a good character?
Please tell me, but do so without mentioning anything about her physical appearance. Because it seems like "Evil sexpot who wants more power for reasons" is about as far as she goes in terms of character depth.
>>2878156
>Jaune ends up marrying worst girl/villain
>Jaune ends up with Blake
>>2878206
>Why do people give a shit about Cinder?
I don't but it's funnier than that Arkos fantasy.
>>2878170
>Emerald
>a smug thug
>The One
>one of the most well written characters in the show
>worst villain and/or girl
>>2878170
>Hey Emerald?
>Yeah loser?
>You want to be happy?
>That's what I'm trying to do.
>And is it working?
>>2878206
>Can somebody please tell me why she's a good villian? Or even a good character?
Shes not.
>>2878217
It is indeed
>>2878206
>Why do people give a shit about Cinder?
She's purty
>>2878215
>Jaune ending up with Blake is somehow a bad thing
He'll offset how shit she is.
>>2877812
>Blake
>Best looking character in RWBY
>Not Oobleck
What are you, a faggot?
>>2878130
>2 of the worst characters get together and both fuck off from the show
Sounds good to me
>>2878206
I like her voice and I don't mind a character who's motivation is "I want power"
>>2878248
Good taste
>>2878243
But Jaune is shit as well
>>2878248
>Not Roman
One job.
>>2878243
>Miles writing his self insert to get with Blake in the hopes of getting Arryn back
>Kerry with his need of Neptune x Weiss for Kara
Suddenly Monty wanting Sheena for Winter makes sense, especially since he was originally gonna be Qrow. All three literally wanted to get their self-inserts with their real laifu waifus.
>>2875071
bump
>>2878296
>Monty legitimately had Sheena until his death
>Miles was with Arryn for a fair amount of time
>Kerry has no chance with Kara
top kek
This thread needs more greentext
What should I write about?
It can be humor or smut or anything else as long as it's interesting, and ideas involving characters I like will get preferential treatment.
>>2878295
Roman's great, but come on, being a ginger only works for girls, and his haircut and mascara looks like he never grew out of the phase where he had animated emo/scene stickers on his deviantart profile.
>>2878326
there is literally some form of "fuck off Pyrrha you locker shoving bitch - from Jaune" greentext going on right now
