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>>48333028
By being less of an asshole memegoblin.
Didn't this channel used to have something to do with Pathfinder instead of touhou fagging and bestiality?
>>48333137
>channel
>>48333137
hahahahahahahaha
nope
>>48333137
What bestiality?
Alright, /pfg/, youlovely people, how about youtell me how your weekend went?
>>48333137
It's been so long I can't remember.
What's the best psion archetype?
>>48333275
MyPTUgame went well, and I'm reading about some other unlucky person reading the Sword of Truth series, so that's amusing too.
Okay, take two.
I've thrown together an Armorist archetype that draws from Henshin Hero.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pzq--m5LWaD_WuotPdiK6HNxN3z-L4vK2M1bKyeqBXk/edit?usp=sharing
Any thoughts? With Armorists being a little unimpressive, I don't mind giving them at least a little.
But really, when will we have Akashic Mysteries? I want to see just how much I have to min-max a vizier to make one good.
>>48333382
Does it MATTER? We all know you'll mixmax it to the farthest possible extent.
>>48333275
Shitty Saturday turned into a great Sunday filled with drowslightly lewdpolitical RP in the morning, went to the gym with my brother in the afternoon, and then had homemade grilled burgers with all my favorite trimmings.
7.5/10
>>48333305
In my opinion, the dual disciple is the most powerful and flexible of the psion archetypes. It grants a psion the ability to cherry-pick from two lists of discipline-specific powers at no cost, thanks to the Practiced Manifester trait. The only downside here is an anemic class skill list; being a dual disciple eliminates discipline class skills, and Practiced Manifester takes up a trait slot that could have been used to gain a new class skill.
Speaking of disciplines, you should have a look at Psionics Augmented: Psion Focused Disciplines. While many of the new discipline abilities there are rubbish, just as many are so poorly-written that they allow for ludicrous RAW scenarios.
Take Telepathy (Mystique), for instance.
>Recall Another’s (Su): Starting at 2nd level, you can grab ahold of other people’s memories. As a standard action while you’re psionically focused, you may make a Sense Motive check. One intelligent creature within 30 feet of your choice must then make a Will save. If they succeed, they may not be affected by this ability for the next 24 hours. If they fail, you gain all of their memories from the past 5 hours, plus one hour for every point by which they fail the Will save. This is a mind-affecting effect.
>Implant Memory (Su): Starting at 8th level, you can lie to your foes through their very minds. As a standard action while you’re psionically focused, one intelligence creature within 30 feet of your choice must then make a Will save with a DC of 10 + half your psion level + your Intelligence modifier. If they succeed, they may not be affected by this ability for the next 24 hours. If they fail, you convince them that they experienced something that they didn’t actually experience. They may use your Bluff modifier instead of their own when convincing people of this. This is a mind-affecting effect.
(Su) abilities are not spells, and these are instantaneous effects. They are undetectable. Also, why the Sense Motive check?
>>48333275
My Saturday WotR campaign involved my PC finding the mangled and dismembered corpse of her eldest son being played with by a couple of demons as if it was a puppet. After what felt like a small demon-centered holocaust, we had a much more violent demon-centered holocaust after destroying a once powerful relic, insulting a bitch ass cowardly demon that showed up and going nuclear with weird holy buffs.
After that I made a homemade curry and stuffed myself with a pig while watching the newest season of The Americans.
It was a vengeance filled day. No demon or grain of rice were spared.
How much experience should be rewarded for a group that uses Diplomacy to convince the guards dragging them beyond a great wall into a frozen wasteland to give them extra gear beyond a bronze knife? Equal to defeating the guards in combat? Half that? An arbitrary number like 1000 (to be divided 4 ways)?
>>48333626
Depends on how much gear they're able to convince and what level they are.
>>48333137
No. It used to have something to do with Dreamscarred Press, Spherecasting. And shitting on Paizo.
So what is up with this Starfinder?
So anyone got a game with open spots? I'm desperate.
>>48333746
>>48333746
is that game with 2hu still recruiting? kek
>>48333724
Paizo decided they hadn't ripped off enough yet and are going for Spelljammer.
>>48333513
Touhou, please take a vacation.
>>48333784
>autism
>taking a vacation
>>48333825
He's autistic, not retarded. There's been enough drama lately that the last thing we need is more of him and the tripfags.
>>48333849
Speak for yourself, I want Forrestx QANONback!
>>48334208
Fuck off.
>>48333513
>>48333305
Dual disciple is good. You shouldn't bother with Focused Disciplines, the book is useless nonsense.
>>48333765
Nope, the GM followed a first come first served policy.
I was the third one to apply.
Closest I was to a game this month.
>>48334208
I do too, but we need a break from them. Too much shit has happened lately.
>>48334264
I was second. Such is life.
>>48334270
>they need a break from us
>>48334280
They are the ones at fault by a wide margin. The entire debacle has lowered by already poor opinion of DSP as a company.
>>48334355
>already poor opinion
Then why should they give a shit? You're not buying their books.
>>48334355
What happened? All I heard was that 2hu was being an asshole toward Forrest.
>>48334363
I have purchased some of their books. However I likely will stop if their quality continues to drop, both in content and general professionalism.
>>48334373
Several individuals wanted to be the specialist of snowflakes, spoilers they made threats to the community and handed power over to shitposters.
>>48334355
> Anon being autistic salt nuggets
> Somehow not our fault
Sure buddy
>>48334355
What'd they even do?
All I recall is one of them talking casually about things they thought ought to be toned down, and Anon went on about it like the end of fucking days.
>>48334399
What drop in professionalism? Are you still on about TG not being better than full attacks? They can't fix the base system, you fuck.
>>48334416
Yes because when an anonymous community is annoying the professional thing to do is throw tantrums. While DSP are merely unprofessional (especially Gareth), Q threw a tantrum. That's why I want her gone separate from my dislike from DSP's lack of professionalism.
And as I said they have begun releasing blatant cash grabs and seem to not care about their slip in quality.
>>48334437
Qanon took away the trove because shitposters wouldn't stop harassing 2hu
When we told her to go fuck herself, she gave it back and ran away crying like a little girl
>>48334450
I'm not around often enough to see a lot of this, but I believe at one point Gareth told Buildposter to fuck off.
>>48334450
I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>48334437
Yes and they handled it extremely poorly.
>>48334469
Gareth went into a frothing rage over a time build poster's math checked out. DSP uses their trips to talk about non-DSP content because they know the community is at their backs. It's obvious power tripping.
>>48334460
> Blatant cash grabs
Like fucking what? Examples.
>>48334464
Does talking like that make you feel like a big man, anon?
>>48334513
>a big man
For (You).
>>48334510
The monster classes. The books were poorly edited, poorly thought out, had terrible formatting, and weren't even internally balanced. Some people will say "oh but the book says they're not SUPPOSED to be balanced". I have extreme doubts that wasn't added later.
>>48334533
Not only that, but they took away layout time that could have been given to a mountain of other projects DSP had backburned and wasted.
>>48334571
There's a bunch of things DSP put on hold indefinitelylike the Ethumions and Eiremians
>>48334699
To be fair, those races are pandering as FUCK and pretty much 100% waifubait.
All of these skill checks in place of attack rolls of Path of War confuses me. Can you use Power Attack with Rising Zenith Strike?
>>48334953
Nope.
>>48334959
Well shit, back to dealing no damage for me.
>>48334953
Last I heard was that you can, but not sure if you can crit with them.
>>48334953
I know that stuff like Scarlet Eyes perception do not benefit from Power Attck since they are touch attacks.
I also remember Chris telling me once that the Zenith Strike Line doesn't multiply power attack, but I can't remember why.
>>48333570
>punishes player for giving a character a family member by killing said family member for cheap drama
That GM detected.
>>48333724
It's still a year away, and considering the current state of Paizo there's no way it won't be Full Retard
>>48335011
Bets on it being nonbinary aliens and adventurers fighting against the white man's colonial imperialism?
>>48334995
Is a sufficiently powerful villain knows you have family, and takes you seriously. There is no reason he shouldn't target them. That's why you keep your family in a safe place. Spend some of that wbl on that instead of a new +3 dildo.
>>48335046
I mean no binary aliens would make sense. 3+ sexes would be interesting, or concepts related to gender that are different to how humans function for it.
>>48335061
>You see, the V chromosomed parent injects their eggs into the Z chromosomed parent, and then the W chromosomed parent fertilizes them. There's also some fuck with no chromosomes at all. He gets off on watching. We don't really know why we evolved him.
>>48334995
Well, the character is a mother with four kids, including the recently deceased eldest son. She came to the city the campaign starts in looking for her kid that ran off with his father's old shitty armor and warped sword to do what he thought was right and get away from his mother who had become increasingly overprotective and overbearing after the death of her youngest.
So, it's not like it was unexpected. The character knew that her son was in danger from the moment she left for the city; after shit went down and the city was in ruins every corpse they pulled out of the rubble could have been him. I'm actually quite glad we found him in a room with a comrade surrounded by lesser demon corpses.
Even if he was a mangled meat puppet, he went out fighting, and she still has a kids back home she needs to protect. We're going full Murmley Sans Frontiers in this campaign, and this was just the kick the character needed to start rallying people to stuff their swords down disgusting redskin necks.
>>48334722
>To be fair, those races are pandering as FUCK and pretty much 100% waifubait.
When you look Blinklings, Alicorns and playable Succubi, its pretty much waifu-bait all around.
Then again, what fucking race ISN'T Pandering Waifu-Bait?
>>48335114
>what fucking race ISN'T Pandering Waifu-Bait?Humansanyone who waifus a human is a dirty degenerate who probably likes handholding and missionary sex with the lights off
>>48335130
What about eldritch abominations that pretend to be humans?
>>48335052
>>48335110
This is why almost everyone plays childless, only-child orphans.
>>48335153
Purest Waifu
>>48335153
>What about eldritch abominations that pretend to be humans?
Best Girls
>>48334699
We don't need any more races of "I'm a special snowflake because my ancestor fucked an Outsider".
>>48335175
I thought most Ethus and Eires were born the same way as Fetchlings?
"I was exposed to weird planar energies while I was in the womb"
>>48334460
Are you going to take over the trove? I know I'm sure as hell not. Maybe don't chase away the person pouring time and money into giving us books for literally no reward.
Hey, /pfg/, I've got a session tomorrow where we're facing a whole bunch of lava construct undead things. We only really got the teaser shot, so to speak, so I'm not sure what they are mechanically.
I'm playing a Sphere Arcanist who has already used Alteration go gain full immunity to fire. So, that being said, what sort of talents would be best to deal with this situation? Destruction with Cold Type and lengthened cone? Any other suggestions?
>>48335161
Actually, my last two characters have had families. It's been really interesting.
Paladin character in Ptolus had a rogue sister. As you can imagine, things were rather heated. Utlimately, that player had to drop because of schedule conflicts and we had her die from OD, but it was certainly great fun.
As for the other character, she's a noblewoman with a king for a brother that were estranged until he pardoned her for their parents murder last session. (Long story short; BBEG possessed her to get to daddy.) And her niece turns out to be her sister by her father raping some servant girl. So there's been a lot of family drama revolving around the throne and how much of a bastard dad turned out to be.
>>48335153
walking bags of xp
>>48335163
>>48335173
>>48335130
>anyone who waifus a human is a dirty degenerate who probably likes handholding and missionary sex with the lights off
Anyone who likes Monstergirls is a furry. checkmate, faggot.
>>48335200
>variant ifrit born when the mother burns to death, leaving the baby somehow alive
>>48335259
jokes on you, my waifu doesn't have fur
>>48335114
>Then again, what fucking race ISN'T Pandering Waifu-Bait?
Drow. Who the fuck wants a psychotic woman as a wife?
They're husbando bait for women who want battered husbands.
>>48335299
And then let's be real. Most people who want Drow waifus really just mean they want generic chocolate brown elf waifus.
>>48335299inb4 somebody posts THAT drow image again
>>48335318
Look if you don't like Chocolate Elves, just say so. We also serve Vanilla and Blueberry. We have some Orange and Lime Elves somewhere at the back too.
>>48335352
Didn't say I didn't enjoy them, it's just we should be honest when discussing this stuff.
>>48335352
Vanilla is a plain elf
Chocolate is a drow
Lime, I guess is the wood elf
Where did orange and blue elves come from anyway? Night Elves and High Elves from Warcraft?
>>48335318>Not wanting to marry a proper drow
>>48335299
>Who the fuck wants a psychotic woman as a wife?
Anon, come on where you think you are m8?
>>48335414
>Where did orange and blue elves come from anyway?
Orange would actually be the Sun Elf from the D&D Forgotten Realms lore.
>>48335352
I always just put the brown elves in the tropics, gave them green, photosynthetic hair, and a vague shark fetish.
A buddy stole them for a setting where a type of magicians gathered power from their surroundings to cast, and wearing as little as possible lets you take in more sunlight.
>>48335469
Sounds like Sea-Elves, which as per some renditions of their lore, were the result of elves and mermaids boning each other. They wore loose clothing because they've got gills that need adequate space so they can breath freely.
>>48335493
>which as per some renditions of their lore, were the result of elves and mermaids boning each other
>Elves and Humans
>Elves and Mermaids
>Elves and Unicorns
>Elves and Drows
>Elves and Orcs
Forget about humans, its the elves that are fantasy's biggest slut race.
>tfw we are going to adventure into underdark soon
>probably gonna meet some drows in the way
>probably gonna have to kill then because our DM rarely let us use Diplomacy to get the fuck outNo drow waifus allowed for us
>>48335531
>not secretly assigning 'Lolth' as your deity
>not hanging out with the party in order to sacrifice them for a spider waifu
>>48335562
I really like my current party mates, maybe if I get in a shitter group, not a bad idea to get rid of then.
Also as a Inquisitor not willing to step into Heretic grounds.
>>48335531
>not capturing and mindraping one into being your loving waifu using psychological torture
>Let's face it, that's probably 99% of how drow romance works anyway, so it's not like she won't be used to it
>>48335562
Drows being forcefully changed into Driders is SUPPOSED to be Lolth's punishment. Its not a reward! Fucking Normies! RRREEEEEEE!
>>48335605
Drow is already a plural, normie. One drow, two drow, dead drow, one drow.
Was it 3e that changed drider-ing into a reward?
>>48335624
4E to make for big monstrous mixed encounters so it wasn't party versus party like the old days.
I think the xen'drik drow had blessed drorpion people, though, so I could be wrong.
Would it be too crazy to make Orcs large creatures, as to make them horrifying, and having half-orcs be medium so that they can be the token playable savage monster-esque race? Or should there be a subspecies of large orcs? Pic related made me start thinking about it.
Speaking of which what items are a must in a underdark adventure? Besides motherfucking darkvision of course.
>>48335605
It would be hilarious if some PC Drow worshipped Lolth just to spite her and become Drider'd
I mean, have you seen a Drider's stats and racial abilities? Its a step up better than Drow
>>48335658
those are called ogres, anon
>>48335658
Replace orcs in setting with ogres. Call them whatever the fuck.
Give half orcs powerful build and call it a day.
>>48335671
Second from the right, I want heradorable dress, oh my gosh
>>48335658
Reinstate Orogs and Ogrillons (ogre-orc hybrids).
>>48335658
There's an Ogre/Orc crossbred race in Warcraft, called the Mok'Nathal.
>>48335679
>>48335673
>>48335658Besides, we know this is about your size difference fetish
>>48335697
There's an Ogre/Orc crossbred race in Pathfinder, called the Oggr.Bloodforge, because of course it is.
>>48335717
Just near elves fucking horses, don't miss it!
>>48335725
*unicorns, centaurs
>>48335729
Unicorns are literally horny horses.
>>48335740
Now that's a corny joke.
>Elves are horsefags
>Drows are spiderfags
>>48335740
Unicorns are sapient. Horses are not. Xenophilia is not bestiality.
>>48335748
t. Alex Augunas
>>48335748
Tbqh, I'd say even some pathfinder beastfolk are bestiality.
Aaaaand we've hit dead center of every /tg/ thread.
>>48335777
You may say whatever strikes your fancy, anon, but words have meanings, and that is not what bestiality means. If a creature is sapient, it is not an animal. If it is not an animal, engaging in sexual intercourse with it is not bestiality.
>>48335799
If it looks like an animal and sounds like an animal, it is an animal.
Simple stuff.
>Way too strong and solves almost zero problems
Could you explain why it's too strong and solves zero problems?
>>48335807
What are you even talking about?
>>48335804
>Languages: Common, Sylvan
You may be surprised, then, to discover that Unicorns do not in fact sound like animals, but like people, and thereby do not qualify.
>>48335825
Eh, whatever floats your boat, furanon, I'm in no mood to argue with you now.
>>48335789
>no spider
>>48335834
Did you honestly just get made a fool of by a furfag?
Dude
Weak
>>48335845
Nobody is into that. I know somebody is going to make some ironic post about how much they'd want to fuck a spider if they could, but nobody is genuinely into that. Of course, the same could be said for a lot of fetish posts, but seriously. Spiders.
>>48335854
I'd prove you wrong by posting an image of a guy masturbating with a tarantula hanging on his dick, but I don't wanna get banned.
>>48335895
>masturbating with a tarantula hanging on his dick
>>48335818
Sorry
For barbarian, fighter, monk and rogue archetypes that replace the same class feature, up to three such archetypes can be taken together at once.
Basically you just ignore the fact the archetype is replacing the same class feature and take the archetype benefit regardless.
On a phone atm.
So how about that Dungeon World?
>>48336145
It's a shit.
>>48336145
>>48334373
>>48334464
What happened was 2hu drove away Forrest, QANON didn't believe it, and Q threw a tantrum over everyone rightfully accusing 2hu.
Get the story straight.
I need help. I've just hit 3rd level, I have ~2700 gold and I'm playing a wilder. I have no idea what magic items to buy, or if I should just hold on to my gold.
My stats are as follows str 5, 16 dex, 17 con, 13 int, 11 wis, 18 cha. I've got 28 hp from 2 max HP rolls.
I've also got one feat to burn, previously I took extended blast. we eventually plan on going into mythic ranks, and I'm planning on picking up the mythic crafter stuff there, so I'm avoiding crafting feats currently as I don't want to have to retrain out of them.
halp. plz.
>>48336415
>rightfully accusing 2hu
The 'proof' being that 2hu had taken part in the public conversation that prompted the whole clustershit. Anons with agendas saw an opportunity to shit on 2hu and took it.
>>48336469
No, 2hu publically confessed later.
>anons with agendas
You mean anons who want shitposters out of the thread?
>>48336517
>2hu publically confessed
Where? It wasn't in these threads, so it must have been in the IRC. Post logs, please.
>>48336416
>5 str
Jesus Christ your own clothing will cause encumbrance .
As for gear
http://www.geekindustrialcomplex.com/articles/good-cheap-core-equipment-everyone-should-have
http://www.geekindustrialcomplex.com/articles/good-cheap-ii-what-awaits-in-the-adventurer-s-armory
The rest is up to you faggy
>>48336625
He said he did it.
Are there any Variant/Optional rules that aren't actually optional and just make the game better as a whole?
>>48336641
>Jesus Christ your own clothing will cause encumbrance .
Naw, James Jacobs said clothing doesn't count for carrying capacity, just like in 3.5.
Go get Muleback Cords, use a Corset of Resistance for saves.
>>48335825
I imagine they all sound like Mr Ed.
>>48332035
>Only problem is that for PCs, it's going to take a bit of work and leadership bullshit to get followers fanatical enough to catch spears for you by dressing up as the manbat.
Maybe include a compulsion or suggestion effect while they wear the mask? The only problem is that it's starting to veer dangerously close to the Cult Master Mesmerist.
>>48336682
Ultimate Psionics.
Making a high dex/wisdow crossbow roguelike inquisitor.
Is it worth it taking a level as a fighter for the proficiency so I can use a rapier and grab a free combat feat with the goal of getting my dex bonus on rapier damage/attack?
>>48336685
[Citation needed]
Has /pfg/ become the laughing stock of even this wretched hive?
ZootopiaAnon, you should've made your PCs look like pic related.
/pfg/ is shit, except for when material is getting dumped.
>>48334264
>>48334277
When are you guys looking for time-wise and game-wise? I matchmaked before on here, I can do it again.
>>48335161
Oh bugger off, the greatest characters I've ever made were family-men or deeply connected with their kin.
You want to see your DM sweat? Give your character a spouse and children in their backstory, see how they react to it. Every time I've done this the DM makes them an important part of the campaign to the betterment of all's enjoyment.
>>48335352
I've only got three types of elves.
Vicious imperialist hyper-blondes from the Arctic, melting pot mixture of vaguely French Elves in the continents, and ghostly tough bulky elves from the moon.
>>48335922
Post examples you dirty pos
>>48335658
Going by some of Tolkien's descriptions, hobgoblins were much larger, more savage orcs, capable of biting off a dwarf's head. Remember that in the LotR stuff, 'orc' was just the elf word for goblin, as opposed to d20 having them as different groups.
>>48336682
Background skills
>>48335922
It doesn't really provide them utility, just makes them more punchy. They're already punchy enough. Also easily makes them TOO punchy.
>>48337431
no? Orcs were corrupted elves.
>>48336682
Background Skills
Weaboo Fightan Magic
>>48337457
But anon, the fighter should spend one of his two skill points on Craft (Calligraphy) to show off his mastery of the brush stroke reflecting his mastery of the sword stroke!
What the fuck happened to /pfg/?
Most of the fighter archetypes are terrible however, though combinations may yield more utility. The fucker should post examples though.
>>48337470
>>48337530
What if they also got access to the skills inherent to the archetypes?
>>48337509
We caught the rabbit just to discover it was not only mechanical, but filled with cotton stuffing.
>>48335161
I just have my characters' parents disown them for being irredeemable weebs.
>>48333028
Why is Ran staring at that thing? Why is she dribbling water?
>>48337540
I thought this was the case? You fucking need to make it clearer.
>>48337482
Yes, elves called their corrupted kin orcs, while humans called them goblins.
>>48336669
Proof or fuck off, shithead.
>>48337881
Don't need proof, we have pitchforks.
>>48335318
>Drow
>chocolate
Spend less time on the interwebs. Proper drop have sexy charcoal/onyx skin
Now that the dust has well and truly settled, was there any boss, concept or even location or theme that you took from Dark Souls 3?
>>48338093
The whole theme of DS in general is really hard to perform in PF.
>>48338121
Lost glories and faded legends coming back to life just so some upstarts can chew on their moldy remains for fragments of power? That sounds pretty damn MYTHIC to me.
>>48338154
But mechanically, it is very hard to create the same "feel" of DS without just resorting to "ok everyone just pretend like this is DS".
DS has a great atmosphere because both the visuals/fluff and the mechanics of the game push you towards the same feel.
PF mechanics really doesn't have the "you are at all times super vulnerable to even low level enemies if you get careless" thing going.
>>48337561
Isn't this fried tofu? The food kitsune are supposed to like?
>>48337509
I wasn't here but from the posts it seems it's boiled in its own drama.
>>48338299
That's fried tofu? Huh, was just a little hard to see it that way.
>>48338093
Personally, while not 3 specifically, I've always wanted to play a character based off of Lautrec. Or perhaps Oswald.
Really, everyone from Carim was pretty cool.
That, or maybe the Dancer. To be honest though, I liked Bloodborne slightly more than DS3
Jesus christ dragons are terrifying.
In related news...It's interesting how all three of these cr12 monsters deal the exact same DPR assuming they all hit with all attakcs of a full attack.
>That glorious feel when you end an encounter with 1 spell
Group stands by as the enemies rush torwards us. I Cast control winds using a bead of karma and the GM has us using Wild magic and I managed to roll +3 to my cl. Manage to pick up most of the entire field of enemies save for a Lich and a Gargantuan Spider that we needed to fucking kill. Both flee having managed to brace themselves against the winds as the spider hides on the other side of the chapel.
The rest are floating in the air when on the second turn I change the winds into a burst and slam them into the wall behind us at 300 miles per hour.
I finally had my True wizard moment. I'm an archivist but same thing really. If i hadn't done this the group would of been fighting a bunch of spiders with the vorpal ability.
>>48338366
>Carim
One of the character concepts I've been itching to play is the knight-protector of another character, devoting his career to watching over a single priestess.
Lautrec is a fantastic one too, they're simple yet solid stories that can be expanded into fleshy PF characters.
>>48338387
>+1 CR
>+150% damage
Is this for real senpai?
Because that shit is bananas.
>>48338429
>dragons
>reasonable cr
Pick one.
>>48338387
That's kind of the point. Dragons are supposed to be a "oh shit" moment for the part whenever one shows up. Though did you account for the purple worm's swallow whole?
>>48338406
Vorpal spiders sounds nasty.
>>48338451
Nope. This is just a "they deliver a full attack with an unmodified stat block", so it's not exactly accurate to a real battle experience.
Just some theory-crafting to see how valuable AC is on players.
It appears I was wrong, and that AC is a "all or nothing" deal.
>>48338411
To be fair though, Morne and his Maiden are essentially an inverse of Garl Vinland and Astrea
>>48338459
They are low hp but they do vorpal on a nat 20. I'm assuming their matriarch who got away gets to vorpal on a 19. We have to kill that fucking spider anyway because it will allow us to use a teleport rune.
>>48338429
Very Old Red Dragons are CR 18. I don't know why he has it listed as CR 13.
Is it just me or do most players take "muh agency" to far. It seems as if when any power tries to exert control over the players (example being the count didn't want them just going around delivering vigilante justice) players throw a tantrum. It's not as if they didn't have the choice to refuse, just refusing made their lives much more dangerous and complicated.
>>48338466
It's a fantastic concept nonetheless that I would adore to develop with a like-minded player, however the biggest issue I can see with it is Golarion seriously lacks any sort of religious organization quite like Carim. The closest could be argued as Iomedae or Sarenrae but those don't seem to have the maiden/knight associations.Could always be a cloudy-eyed Oracle that is being delivered to a temple by a foul-mouthed, hard-skinned Paladin that is quite fond of the girl.
>>48338554
>caster level =/= CR
I'm very stupid.
Here is the new data. A bit more reasonable now.
Still almost double damage unless you are AC mc.tanky tank.
>Last battle we had my Cohort gets fucked up and loses his right arm
>Master surgeon Cleric reattaches his arm
>Issue: The Arm is a Troll arm he is a human he is a master of many forms and when he lost his arm he went unconcious and severed limbs do not return to normal
>Cleric nat'd his check
Now when he transforms into any form his right arm is 1 size larger than normal and he gets +2 strength.
This is hilarious.
>>48338575
Deaf/clouded vision. Get a familiar with telepathy.
>>48338568
Can't say that's been my experience, but my group leans more towards Lawful. We tend not to get into as many dickwaving contests with authorities than some other groups.
>>48338575
I think there's a weird sect of the Church of Pharasma that is kinda similar. Also, that one torn up Empyreal Lord could work. Also, maybe a Goodnight from the Order of Godclaw or Scar could work
But yeah, Golarion is pretty boring and lacking in regards to Religion and churches
>>48338604
ANYWAYS: CONCLUSIONS:
If the enemy is charging you or only making one attack, your AC doesn't matter much. High AC, in the 30+ range for level 12, does reduce the damage you take from full attacks significantly.
>>48338575
>Clouded vision Oracle with her tough gargoyle-faced protector
I don't know how practical the combination is, but it's extremelycute.
>>48338619
Would her name happen to be Helen Keller?
>>48338638
It's just odd when players seem to not understand there might be people stronger than them.
>>48338568
That's because those players don't know what agency means. Agency implies being a ke to take actions with meaningful consequences, both good and bad.
What they want is a power fantasy that leaves them exempt from consequences, which is not agency and can be seen as the sign of an immature player
>>48337398
Every time I've done it, the GM has them get murdered or raped.
I'm the GM now. He's kicked.
>>48338686
Sometimes real life is shitty enough that I don't want to also have a asshole boss and no power in my fantasy games too.: (
>>48338694
Why do so many DMs think the rational response to a character having an adorable wife is for them to get raped by orcs, or a character with a loving husband needs that guy stuck on the end of a pile by the BBEG?
>>48338575
>>48338619
>not Wasting/Lame cursed oracle
This is our grave, but you may share it if you wish
>>48338655
It's all about presentation.
People tend to get miffed when their quest has them fighting in a crusade, only to watch as a better crusader just rides on the scene and wins the day.
Sure the level 18 badasses should exist, but they don't need to be around during a Grand Tournament populated by level 9s, or if they do show up its as a chance for the PCs to get on their good graces.
>>48338734
If a villian knows you have family and knows he can use it against you then a competent villian should (if able). If you wanted the family untouchable then actually invest in making them so.
>>48338777
See, the issues come when players poke the sleeping dragon (sometimes literally), and don't expect consequences.
>>48338734
>Daughter gets kidnapped by BBEG
>BBEG lieutenant is the honorable sort.
>Daughter is not only unharmed, but got to command the forces of evil for a day.
We occasionally still run into demons with bows on their horns.
So sad that we had to kill that lieutenant.
Was worried like fuck though when the GM said that my village had been raided. Luckily (mostly) everyone was safe.
>>48338788
>If a DM knows you aren't a murder hobo or like to roleplay and knows he can use it against you then a competent DM should (if able). If you wanted to not be a murder hobo or to roleplay then go fuck yourself.
>>48338802
There is no logical correlation between apparent power and actual CR.
A street urchin could have 15 levels of wizard and barbarian for not reason at all. When the players pick a fight with a guard and the DM is all "BUT HE WAS A LEVEL 18 FIGHTER" well how the fuck were they supposed to know?
Every NPC is Schrodinger's epic level wizard.
>>48338788
Not every villain will bother targeting your family when they really have an issue with you.
>>48338747
Oracles with the Lame curse are for older silver-haired gentlemen who walk with a cane.
>>48338747
Lorian and Lothric were too bishie for Dark Souls.
>>48338844
>>48338854
Not every villian will, but many won't have a problem with it. If the villian takes you seriously and knows about your family why shouldn't he target them? They're likely less dangerous than you. Because it hurts the players feelings? That's a meta reason, not an actual one.
>>48338844
>Every NPC is Schrodinger's epic level wizard.
I mean yeah, if your GM is a retard. If a GM doesn't signal that NPCs are strong in some manner then it is on him.
>>48338907
Villains typically do not target families because the family is either out of their sphere of influence or too costly to target.
If I piss off a crime lord in Tokyo they aren't likely to target my family in Wisconsin, especially when I'm still in Japan.
>>48338907
>each villain somehow knows you have a family, knows where they are, and can teleport a rape/pillage/burn strike force into their home without any real problems or opportunity costs.
>he doesn't use this to just kill you for reasons.
The metagame is YOU mr. shitdm. Do tell how the BBEG found out that random enemy fighter #15 has a daughter and wife in a village over there?
>>48338946
Yeah, which is what I said "if able". If targeting your family is less likely and more viable than targeting your character then why shouldn't he? That's why I said actually defend the family instead of just leaving them while you rack up enemies. There is a reason super heroes have secret identities.
>>48338963
Literally the spell "next of kin" tells them. Or a commune. Or any of a myriad of divinations. Or (crazy I know) asking around with gather information.
When did I ever say teleport or rape you triggered retard? You're jumping at shadows.
>>48338991
Spell in question:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/discern-next-of-kin
>>48338875
DILF Oracle is best oracle.
>>48338970
We hate it because shitDMs will use it as a reason to punish any player who isn't a family-less murder-hobo and now half of my players have "family: dead, Friends: none" on their sheet because they are tired of having shitDMs murder and rape everyone they get invested in.
Fuck your "but its realizims" bullshit, and stop making it harder and harder to have a fun roleplay experience.
>>48338991
>60ft range
>Will save negates
Well if they actually casts that on a player then sure, but I doubt anyone could do that and survive long enough for that information to be usable.
Roll up to your game and the DM says this
"The game we're playing is gonna be low magic, high intrigue, humans only"
what do
>>48339029
You don't actually want to role play. You want untouchable set pieces in your backstory you don't actually have to defend or to think about longer than it takes to write them names.
>>48339058
>i'm ever a player
>you aren't a shitdm with a power fetish
>"if the pcs don't play "guess how I think they should defend their family right" well enough then I get to murder and rape every attempt they make to interact with the world!"
>"why are all my players murderhobos?"
Get fucked shitdm. We would be better if you just didn't play pathfinder.
>>48339009
>>48338875
>>48339116
God damn you sound like a shit player.
>>48339030
If you want to actually play in line with the campaign, take a vigilante.
Otherwise, take an unchained monk. You're not magical, you're a superhuman martial artist.
>>48339139
bait/8
>>48333028
sup /pfg/
My party's got some downtime, so I want to work on enchanting my gunslinger's guns. Got any suggestions for fun gun enchantments?
>>48339030
Probably play an alchemist. Even if I'm not allowed to use SCIENCE magic, there's still some fun stuff I can do.
Like play with bombs.
>>48339177
+1 is always fun.
>>48336685
>just like in 3.5
That wasn't a rule though. Clothing didn't count for starting WBL, it counted for encumbrance.
>>48339192
Your starting set of clothing didn't count for encumbrance.
>>48339130
Shame that campaign never went far, he was a surgeon from Ustalav that lost his family and friends to a vicious plague that went through the area, but in the process was granted life-giving powers at the cost of his leg.
Pleasant character, very open to talking with whoever about whatever in that meticulous accent of his.What is the best backstory for the oracle to get maximum DILF?
>>48339235
Wife and kids back home in some little foresty village.
>>48339222
Can you site a page? I just looked through the Encumbrance rules in my PHB and didn't find it.
It's probably a good idea to not worry about the weight of clothing even if it isn't a rule, though. Otherwise you're just mechanically encouraging people to run around naked.
>>48339058
>"I mean, OF COURSE orcs would travel in groups of ten or fifteen, that's how squads work, I shouldn't go easy on you just because you're level one. You'll just have to use stealth to evade them despite 3/4 of the party wearing heavy armor."
>"I mean, of COURSE the orcs would cut your character's hands and tongue off for having a spell component pouch, that's just good sense. You'll just have to tough it out thirteen more levels until someone gets Regenerate."
>"I mean, OF COURSE the BBEG is just gonna teleport when you break down his door, leaving the lair to explode, he's not going toe to toe with four shitheads until he has ultimate power, obviously. By the way, since all of his minions are dominated to kill themselves rather than give you any information, he just assembled the Scepter of Al'alirask and ushered in a ten-thousand year reign of demonic terror. Good luck!"
>>48339361
Clothing, page 131
>A beginning character is assumed to have an artisan's, entertainer's, explorer's, monk's, peasant's, scholar's, or traveler's outfit. This first outfit is free and does not count against the amount of weight a character can carry.
>>48336685
>>48337111
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l9u4?Worn-clothes-count-towards-carrying-capacity#12
>>48339461
There is what is considered reasonable and then there is being a shitter. As I have said if a villain knows you have family, has the ability to get to them, doesn't have qualms with using your family against you, you have done nothing to defend them, and using them has hostages is much safer than fighting you, then why should he not?
Going "LEL HE TELEPORTED INTO YOUR HOUSE" is different. It's like no one on /pfg/ or /tg/ for that matter understands there are degrees between the two absolute extremes.
>>48339502
Does it make for interesting game play that your players are interested in? If so then go for it, if not then no. Especially since it's impossible for most martials to adequately defend their families from a distance.
>>48339521
The best way is to purchase a Sequester Thoughts and have it be "my family's location and identity", then keep the crystal in a bag of holding.
Or take the Nameless One feat, then take off the mask and deal with negative levels when home (atone later to put back on the eschewed identity).
Or spend some WBL on it, give your family members some kind of defense mechanism, like a set of boots of teleportation.
>>48339502
I've seen far too much of the being a shitter angle, I gotta say.
There's also the consideration that it's probably best to do something DIRECTLY about the guy bending your minions over a table instead of setting a lengthy plan to hold hostages against them, because the first actually does something about your minions being bent over tables.
And even with the hostage bit, it works up UNTIL you kill them.
I've seen far too many DMs pull the "Cultists killed your family FOR REVENGE while you were on the john" not to understand the sentiment of playing a loner to avoid either cheap, canned, screaming big no in the rain drama, or looking like a shitlord for not giving a fuck on something they THOUGHT was a minor fucking point of their character and a source of letters back and forth for plot hooks.
>>48339558
Forgetting everything about your family and home village seems far beyond what Sequester Thoughts is able to do. You'd have to cast it multiple times, for multiple gems. Even then there will still be trails back to your family
If all your characters are wearing masks you should be playing mutants and masterminds instead.
>Spend 49k per family member to make them kind of sort of safe, maybe. WBL that is expected to be used on the player character so they can keep up with the enemies.
>>48339584
>because the first actually does something about your minions being bent over tables.
See, if he is bending your minions over a table likely he is dangerous to deal with, more dangerous than his family. Tell him you have his family and if he makes another move you'll kill a family member. Paralyze that player. Hell tell him if his friends don't stop you'll STILL do it, so he has to stop them best he can.
The villain should only do it if taking the family looks like it has a higher chance of success. That is if the villain isn't a bitter asshole or just a psychopath. If he is then he may not care, or me may just kill them for shits and giggles. Actual psychopaths however are much less able to be big name villains because lack of organization makes long term planning difficult.
But yeah, before teleport/scry become a thing spend 1-3k gp on family defenses. That's what I do for every character. When teleport comes online spend a bit more.
>>48339604
Sequester Thoughts should be able to do it in 2. One for "family's identity" and one for "family's location". Those are subjects that sequester thoughts can cover.
You tell your family before hand "here is some money, settle down here so no one really knows me. Don't tell anyone."
that's if you have REALLY dangerous enemies who might do it. Otherwise? Give them other stuff that could keep them safe. Move them into a big city with defenses (big cities SHOULD have defenses against scry and die for the general citizenry who are willing to pay).
Move them into a magical gated community.
I mean come to fuck on, you have thousands of GP. Are you not willing to spend a copper on your family's safety. Guess they weren't actually that important.
>>48339604
If you've got that much money, why don't you just have them move to your stronghold, where they can be protected by the defenses you'd normally use anyway to keep the BBEG from teleporting in and stabbing you?
>>48339681
It's a problem that comes from D&D 3.x and Pathfinder allowing gold economy goods to indefinitely convert into personal power. You are actively punished and kept behind the curve (where you're more likely to fail or die) if you want to do things like that.
It's not the player's fault that you have to fight the system to do cool things that make sense, it's the system's.
>>48339731
I mean yes, you should. That's why I suggested magical gated community as well. Living in a teleport trapped/magically defended area is actually not THAT expensive on an adventurer's salary (unless you want a lawn). I've done calculations for what apartment buildings like that would cost.
>>48339757
See, as a GM I both give players a little more money and expect them to act like human beings (or elf beings). If they face a villain with the means and the want to hurt their loved ones, and they don't care enough to spend the extra then he does.
People without anyone? Well, there is always someone. If a player comes to me and says "I have literally no connection" I veto the character. That dedicated of a misanthrope would not join a party.
>>48339681
>Sequester Thoughts should be able to do it in 2. One for "family's identity" and one for "family's location". Those are subjects that sequester thoughts can cover.
You do that you're going to forget a very large chunk of your life. It's pretty much the same thing as not having a family in your backstory.
>>48338406
Just last session, we skipped an encounter in a dead-end room of a dungeon by throwing down a Wall of Iron spell flush with the doorway. As far as we know, it will be impossible for the creatures within the room to break their way out of it.
>>48339836
You do have a family, you just don't know where they currently are or who they are. You can go back to them later when you finish the adventure (much wealthier) and just redo sequester thoughts.
My character has a huge family:
>Andes Harparr, Father
>Brione Harparr, Mother
>Gyles Harparr, Older Brother
>Thurey Harparr, Older Brother
>Elell Harparr, Older Sister
>Rarder Harparr, Younger Brother
>Sane Harparr, Younger Sister
>Abet Harparr, Grandmother
>Joycie Payne, Grandmother
>Rasmundus Payne, Great Great Uncle
>Nieles Payne Sr, Great Grandfather
>Nieles Payne Jr, Grandfather
>Nieles Payne II, Uncle
>Alel Payne, Cousin
>Annel Payne, Aunt
>Joane Payne, Cousin
>Mera Payne, Cousin
>Rewilh Harparr, Uncle
>Hony Harparr, Uncle
>Yellis Harparr, Aunt
>Mickel Harparr, Cousin
>Alice Belmont, Great Aunt
>Rickard Belmont, Great Uncle
>Hepmon Belmont, First Cousin Once Removed
>Ullis Belmont, First Cousin Once Removed
>Ivar Belmont, Second Cousin
>Eilen Belmont, Second Cousin
>Mickey Belmont, Second Cousin Once Removed
>Tyran Belmont, Second Cousin
>Fillman Belmont, Second Cousin
>Helga Milleen, First Cousin Once Removed
>Omar Milleen, First Cousin Once Removed
>Copor Mileen, Second Cousin Once Removed
>Capre Mileen, Second Cousin Once Removed
This is just those I have listed out. I add to the list occasionally. Everyone has a short blurb about them in my notes (one sentence generally).
I played Nieles Payne in a previous campaign. He's a wizard.
>>48338970
>There is a reason super heroes have secret identities.
...and why 90% of all PCs are murderhoboes with no family or meaningful ties of any kind.
>>48339969
I also veto those characters them I GM. If someone is that hardcore of a misanthrope he wouldn't join an adventuring party.
>trying to build AoE lockdown crusader in 3.5
>level 3
>28 point buy
>Have to go with 14/13/14/13/8/12
Life is suffering. Game looks cool though, unfortunately I'm a couple of feats short of where I really want to be.
>>48340070
> If someone is that hardcore of a misanthrope he wouldn't join an adventuring party.
Some people are left without friends and family for reasons beyond their control. maybe some players are more interested in making connections during the game then just hashing out 2-3 they don't give a fuck about because it's a gateway TO play.
