The Wrath Of Hot Pockets IV: A New Mircowave Edition
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No summary of the last thread. I'd really rather not. >>48234777
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Alright, assuming I wanted to be as fluff friendly as possible, are there any GW vehicles for the Legions I could get? Or are the Deimos pattern ones the versions to be used in 30k? Just wondering.
>>48251763
Rhinos, Land Raiders, Land Speeders, bikes, etc.
Can I just say fuck Rhino-pattern vehicles? I hate assembling that plastic chassis, it's an ancient kit and it's fucking garbage. It's even more of a pain in the ass to paint than it is to assemble, and that's saying something. Even with the Deimos siding it's still fucking god-awful. I can't wait for the kit to be redesigned, hopefully with optional Deimos and Mars plates to slap onto it for 30k/40k.
>>48251831
yeah i fucking hate them too. the aesthetic is good but the actual models themselves are trash. they need to bring them up to scale.
I have one question. Are you DAfags going to make your Pyrix Extasis look like the Ark of the Covenant like you should or not?
Which Legion has the most opportunity for bullshit WAAC?
>>48252011
Why do you ask?
>>48251917
then they would be the size of land raiders
And land raiders would be the size of fucking mastodons
>>48252027
sounds good to me.
>>48252011
world eaters, go nuts.
>>48251831
Man, I was about to buy some, but apparently it's garbage?
>>48252057
sounds pretty retarded honestly. 40k doesnt exactly have consistent or realistic scale anyway
>>48252101
the rhino would still be smaller than the current LR.
>>48252011
>>48252020
>>48252057
>>48252172
New to the hobby, already have a direction, I'm looking for what I should steer clear of and want to know what mechanics are abusable. Mostly for homeruling purposes, I'll be playing primarily with my best friend, building narrative campaigns and the like.
>>48252246
No legion is legitimately WAAC in any tangible sense. There are WAAC builds but just due to the fact that this hobby is so expensive they are untenable, and also I doubt your friend will let you get away with it.
>>48252246
I'm going to trust that you won't be a cancerous spot but behold. Blood Angels megadakka can be very abusable. The megadakka is cheap and can be very hilarious. Unless your friend doesn't mind staring down the barrels of more assault cannons than bolters go for it. Just tell him he'll face the wrath of Zardoz if he does though. Just take a few assault cannons.
>getting 5 guys into HH at the local GW
>Local redshirt is getting irritable and considering banning FW since they are all buying FW now
>>48252331
>tfw everyone forgets Imperial Fists can take them too.
Gud.
>>48252354
Tell him that GW stores are going to start selling FW in-store soon.
Also that he can't ban FW.
>>48252246
legions arent the problem. army lists are the problem. typhons, thudd guns with phsophex, medusa spam, spartan spam, knights, terminator spam, lightning strike fighters all have potential to be abused, among many other things. the new RoW where you just take a whole army of tanks would be easily abused.
alpha legion with alpharius giving everything preferred enemy (everything) would be pretty disgusting if you abused it by fielding like 40 plasmaguns.
>>48252331
the worst part about that cancer is that hed have to roll every single assault cannon 1 at a time
>>48252358
only on a terminator squad instead of a heavy weapon.
>>48252372
he said a higher up said they would never sell fw in shop because they would have to give discounts on it to independent shops and it would create a secondary market like how gw products have
>>48252410
Anon, he's either lying or misinformed, as the in-store only Tartaros guy was made as a promotion for FW to soon be sold in-store.
>>48252433
any sauce on that?
Why are Rotor Cannons and HBolters so bad? I can understand Rotor Cannons, but not really with HBolters.
Also, the fact that were I to buy a pack of HBolters for Veteran Tacs, I'd most likely only end up using four of them, annoyingly enough, as to use all ten from two packs of them would mean to field five full sized Vet squads.
Hmmm
>>48252803
Use the spare one to give one of your vehicles a hull mounted heavy bolter. As an IF player I love that veterans make HB actually useful and not just weak shit.
>>48252294
That makes alot of sense. Thank's anon.
>>48252803
Rotor cannons aren't that bad, really.
>>48252884
I think rotor cannons are good on tarantulas compared to heavy bolters.
>>48252803
Thats why so many legions get buffs for hb, and also suspensor webs exist
personally i think it would be neat if ALL hb got suspensor webs in 30k
What are you guys working on? I got a couple contemptors and my legion champion on my desk.
I took the advice that I was given last time I posted and have tried to highlight my legion champ. I use zenith highlighting with my airbrush and the edges of the armour plates are weathered so I didn't do edge highlighting on the armour plates but I tried highlighting the gold especially. It's not noticeable from this angle with this light really.
Also I love Contemptors, especially cortus. What about you guys?
>>48253048
Still working on this guy
>>48252859
Yeah, that could work, actually. Dunno how it'd look like though.
>>48252884
Rotor cannons look pretty bad on paper. But their model looks amazing.
>>48253040
Aye, I like that IW gets to make them Pinning.
>>48252858
It's out at the FW Weekender isn't it?
That said it's Thorpe, so it's not going to be anything more than mediocre.
>>48253104
Like I said before. Nice work.
>>48252094
It's not that terrible, but the design is a bit dodgy in places. Have some rubber bands ready to help keep it together and it'll be fine.
Hmmm...
I'm not sure what I want to do more, an Ironfire list, or a Pride of the Legion list. Both seem pretty good, but I don't know what I want to do more.I'm new and don't own anything other than a couple pdfs I got from here.
>>48253509
most newbies start off with a POTL list as you can use expensive low model count units to fill mandatory slots
When you get more vehicles and infantry then you can get into ironfire
>>48253529
That's true, I think I'll write up a list in a bit to see what I can come up with.
>>48252858
I think thats a good rendition of his face
>>48253247
I think the case could be made for Rotor cannons if your weapons don't penetrate the enemies armor save, Rotor cannons force saves over bolters due to number of rounds fired. If the upgrade is inexpensive then the number of shots fired may be beneficial.
Why do Iron Hands get their own MkIII squad that comes with a nuncio-vox, auspex, and bolters?
I want my own MkIII legion squad with nuncio-vox, auspex, and bolters!
>>48254182
because the armor mark is named after them
>>48254235
Source? Would love to read how it was written.
>>48254297
i dont have any... but the alternative would be that they named it after the iron warriors... and we all know that wouldnt happen.
>>48254333
Homestly I'd love to have some MkIII IW squads like the IH have. You can't forget that the IW loved to build things, and an impenetrable defence was somethingn they liked.
Also because all they have right now is Perturabo and the Beep-Boops. Just hoping that the Iron Havocs don't cost more than regular marines with heavy weapon do, like how the Medusan Immortals cost more than Breachers, yet their models are nearly the same with the only difference being the IH iconography.
>>48254386
I have two questions regarding the Maru Skara rite of war, or at least the tactical side of it.
1. Do you ever have units arrive later than turn 2?
2. What kind of stuff do you place in reserves?
Is there any reason to choose a Thunder Hammer over a Paragon Blade on Praetors, other than for fluffyness?
>>48254910
Concussive. It can be effective on Salamander Praetors who can't be insta-gibbed.
>>48254910
Instant death most marines and drag anything else down to I 1 the following turn. Salamanders have little reason not to take them since they get a 3++ and EW anyway.
I just realized that there are no left-handed Thunder Hammers.
>>48255073
No, wait there is one in the MkIV power weapons set.
A shame it's more expensive than the other sets, as I only wanted the hammer to give my Praetor. Also, why does it come with two MkIII torsos?
>>48255209
They're MKIV torsos with extra armour. They look the same from the front but the sides and back is different.
>>48255286
Huh. Weird. Still mad about the Praetor arms though. Ah well, guess it can't be helped.
>>48255073
You could convert one without too much trouble. The death company thunder hammer might be a candidate, it's two handed, but you could cut the top part off and add it to the left arm. Rotate it at the shoulder a little. It's a bionic arm, so probably fairly compatible with most marks of armour.
>>48255456
I did this before I bought the MKIV power weapon kit, worked out alright.
>>48255456
True enough, though I suppose I'll just have him keep the Paragon Blade.
There are also no left handed Cataphractii Thunder Hammers. FW plz.
>>48255584
I guess you mean right handed. There's only left handed ones.
>>48255611
Anon, do you need your eyes checked?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Cataphractii-Special-Weapons-Set
Also, why are the Cataphractii Power Axes chainaxes?
>>48255625
Click your own link and go to picture 2.
>>48255639
Anon, that's his right hand.
Oh.
Wait. That's his left hand.
Y'know, I meant right handed the entire time.How do I keep forgetting which hand is which?
>>48251763
All the "current" patterns of vehicles were also in use during the Heresy, just in not enough numbers.
There are some SM vehicles/suits used in M41 that weren't around in the Heresy though. The Stalker, Hunter, Stormtalon, Stormhawk, and Centurion Suits.
Give me the motivation to finish my 12 Terminators! Here's my converted BaC praetor.
>>48251763
Land speeders.
>>48255658
In that case each Thunder Hammer in the Mk2, 3 and 4 packs are right handed.
>>48255770
Anon, forgive me, for I am stupid.
The Lord of Iron frowns upon me now.
Now I just need to buy the MkIII Techmarine and then I can give my Praetor the Servo-arm backpack and make him into a nice and fluffy Warsmith w/Hammer and Archaeotech Pistol.
No Termi-Servo-Arm, but that's not really a problem though.
>>48255803
Go in peace Anon, and swing your hammer with both hands.
>>48255837
Thank you, anon. I will go and either die or be decimated, 'tis the only way. But I will swing my hammer one handed like the Primarch, with my pistol in the other hand because it looks cool.
>>48255729
Looking good anon. As for motivation, surely your next plot requires 12 painted, tabletop quality miniatures to succeed?
>>48253048
Making a little progress on my Atrapos, the Trident of Kiavahr.
Iron Hands have everything I want for my legion.
>MkIII Squad
>Their Praetor upgrade has a model.
I'd love for every legion to have that stuff, honestly.
>>48256050
Needs more on.the base
A really small church, maybe?
>>48256072
Where does this meme originate from? Without fail that is the first response when I post any progress pics of the knight
>>48256097
There was a pic of a knight an anon posted a while back in the /wip/ thread with a tiny epic scale church on the base of his knight, and when someone commented on it he went full retard.
Then a while ago someone posted this. We now know how much church is enough.
Never mind, I must've accidently deleted it.
>>48256097
A (fairly skilled) anon posted pictures of his knight, which had some snow-covered ruins on its base which somewhat resembled a church. When people pointed this out to him, rather than taking it in good humour and making adjustments, he sperged out about how it clearly wasn't a church, it was the wrong scale for a church, and idiot could see that it couldn't be a church, and everybody should shut the fuck up and stop calling it a church. He was baited back and forth across a good two or three WIP threads, good times were had by all (except church anon, who was saltier than a very salty thing), and now whenever someone asks what to put on a base or shows a picture of a large model, some witty anon will say that it needs more church.
>>48256127
>>48256179
That actually sounds pretty funny, if anyone has screenshots of this feel free to post them please.
Ok, so we've got an idea of what's likely to be at the Open Day (Vultarax, Mastodon, Russ preview, etc) but what are some of the other things things you guys would love to get previews of? I'm pretty keen to see a finished Stormbird 2bh
>>48256210
Custodians and/or Sisters, either Concept Art, Digital Renders or completed prototypes.
>>48256210Genevieve Rocha
>>48256210
I want to see more of the Ultramarine boarding shields because I'm the most boring person ever. Maybe some hint towards a confirmation of a new plastic boxset but I'm not sure how likely that would be.
>>48252621
Contemptors and Cataphractii also didn't exist in 40k until B@C, pretty sure. Didn't stop them. Also, they pull shit out of nowhere all the time, like Centurions and grav weapons. "Nah guys, we've always had this stuff."
>>48255729
mass termies are best termies, DO IT ANON!
>>48256289
>Contemptors didn't exist in 40k
They were a relic so you could have one.
>>48256369
Didn't that come out with the Angels of Death supplement, which was not long ago? Or was it in an IA before that?
>>48256385
IA2 I think.
After even more trial and error, I've ended up with a version of the SA/IM&C/QK red book that is "good enough".
The page size is proper now but the font is slightly too big and looks a bit off when it's inside boxes, but it's still very much legible.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/284x5hw3eonm72l/Crusade+Imperialis+Army+Lists.pdf
>>48252858
He looks like he's doing well. Also there's a 1k Son behind him.
>>48256072
>>48256097
Here's one.
You guys think the Khan plays a Morin Khur in his spare time?
>>48251763
Mars pattern Rhinos were a thing during the Heresy and one would argue Mars pattern predators, whirlwinds and vindicators would also be in use.
MkIII (plastic GW) Phobos Land Raiders can be seen in some of the HH books. Same with MkV (plastic GW) castaferrum dreadnoughts. Attack bikes and land speeders don't have FW models, so GW ones are your only option anyway. GW style bikes can be found in plenty of old HH art.
>>48257459
I don't understand how marines fit into their metal boxes.
>>48257459
I don't know if I would consider the background images in the HH books as a reliable source anymore, unless pic related is supposed to be a hint to a future dreadnought buff
>>48257737
If it's a BA dread, there's nothing wrong with it.
>>48257737
>>48257768
That's FW's RG dread.
>>48257621
DAoT/Clown car tech
>>48257834
I figured it was clown car logic. Is it strange that the actual clown faction doesn't have clown cars but the Imperium does?
>>48257737
Then what is a reliable source? Where do we draw the line? What do we trust and what don't we trust?
>>48257859
be like the inquisition, trust nothing until you grip it by the throat and spank it until it fesses up about Cypher
So I'm trying to get into 30k, whats the standard build like? I want something to work towards. I figure 2 20man legionary squads a contemptor and a praetor and master of signal? Or is Pride of the Legion worth it? Which rites are really shit and which are decent? I get theres a lot of variety and choice but I just want to lay out a plan for what to buy.
>>48258077
Decide what Legion you're interested in first as different units are buffed by different Legion rules. Just a heads up that waacfagging is frowned upon in /hhg/ so questions such as 'what is the best thing' with either get ignored or abused.
>>48258077
>>48258230
Some anon asked the same thing yesterday and everyone assumed it was WAACing. All he did was ask for a basic build.
Honestly for middle-of-the-road 30k lists just buy two BaC boxes and run all the contents. See if you can convert one of the dreads to mortis with 2 ACs
>>48258230
How is /HHG/ still so fucking toxic to new players? You didn't even answer his question.
>>48258349
>How is /HHG/ still so fucking toxic to new players?
We don't want it turning into 40k, plus I wasn't toxic at all. I I tend to help but I need a bit more info.
>You didn't even answer his question.
His question was vague so I asked a clarifying question back, what units or RoWs to recommend vary greatly depending on what Legion you want to play.
You should chill out a bit, not every question is "being toxic".
>>48258314
>just buy two BaC boxes and run all the contents. See if you can convert one of the dreads to mortis with 2 ACs
See this is bad advice, what if they guy wants to play ravenwing or a tank company or something. The calth box is good but blindly recommending new players straight up buy two calth boxes is unhelpful and lazy.
>>48258077
Pride can be worth it in a legion whose marines get some special benefit, that have some fantastic piece of wargear, or who can field special termies
So IF run god tier pride because of bs5 sniper vets and TH/SS termies that can sweep
I don't know if any rights are straight shit other then maybe that one breacher focused one, which is probably really good in ZM games
Praetors work as either a work a day beat stick to mulch other guys not particularly combat oriented characters or chewing through blobs with the help of their body guards/deathstar. Its almost always safer to just shoot an enemy deathstar apart then engage it in CC if your a legion that doesn't have some mad powerful melee lawn mower of its own
if your legion has access to some special way of getting MoTL, or a character that provides neat buffs probably use them (like running Rask, who provides an AoE shooting buff, in a reaping army, which is based around heavy weapon shooting)
two 20 mans is a fine starting point, but have some other scoring units, especially ones who can effectively move into the enemies deployment zone and cause havok/take points
mostly just try to run whats cool and fluffy, and even though the best kinds of games are the ones where both players aren't pulling any punches, try not to be too overboard with optimization
>>48258472
Because he asked for a "standard build". Theres nothing more standard to work towards than legion squads termies and dreads.
Once you have those basics you can move into whatever RoW or organisation you want, with the exception of the more specialised RoWs, like ravenwing or tank companies, as you say, but he didnt ask for those, he asked for a standard build.
>>48258555
Thanks, that's pretty much all I wanted. What about any of the support squads? Im not sure if a squad of plasmaguns or meltas is worth it at 5man sizes are they?
Honestly Im not looking at much more than the basic crusade list, I play SW and they don't have any special rules yet, but I was considering using the blackshield rules.
>>48258608
SW will most likely get CC advantages so going with BaC isn't that bad an idea as you get boltguns, pistols and ccw for everyone.
Support squads will in most cases get dead as soon as possible, so increasing squad size is usually a must.
Anyone know where I could get some luna wolves etched brass? I really hope to convert horus and wanted to cover up the eyes.
>>48258608
IMO, if I wanted to run a support squad it would basically only be for backfield objective camping with volkite guns, in general I have a bad history with plasma guns and avoid them like the plague unless its on a 2+ platform or a vehicle
if you think you will very desperately need anti 2+ save units you could take a vindicator or medusa, or if you want to absolutely nope one very expensive unit with your own very expensive unit, seekers with combi-plasmas in a LR (to gain scout) with PE against whatever you want to nope will probably do the job, and afterwards they can run around with bs5 and special ammo capping backfield points (since new FAQ gave them implacable advance)
Regimental Standard did a 30k thing. SoHfags, hold onto your topknots. https://regimental-standard.com/2016/07/13/common-myths-about-the-horus-heresy/
>https://regimental-standard.com/2016/07/13/common-myths-about-the-horus-heresy/
Traitor shits just give up and die already.
>>48259086
>While some Traitor Legions and their Primarchs did side with Horus, these were, without fail, the weaker Legions, jealous of the success of noble and uncorrupted warriors such as those of the Imperial Fists, Ultramarines and Blood Angels.
If they'd just accepted their inferiority and strove to master the wisdom of the Codex Astartes, none of this would have happened.
>>48259131
>>48259086
>While some Traitor Legions and their Primarchs did side with Horus, these were, without fail, the weaker Legions, jealous of the success of noble and uncorrupted warriors such as those of the Imperial Fists, Ultramarines and Blood Angels.
#rekt
Traitors pls
>>48259244
"None of this would have happened if Horus was an Ultramarine. Let's be honest here."
-The God-Emperor of Mankind to Malcador
>>48259086
>>48259131
Trying so hard it isn't even funny.
>>48259305
>>48258349
>How is /HHG/ still so fucking toxic to new players?
Because they're all 40kids coming to ruin the pure hobby of 30k. Or so I've heard.
>>48259305
>>48259305
I don't think they can ever top
>We have also received dubious reports of Valkyries being shot down. Be assured, no Valkyries have been lost in any recent war zone. If you believe you have witnessed such an occurrence, you have likely just seen one of these fine pilots make an expert landing under enemy fire, and any explosions were most assuredly the enemy, or perhaps fireworks to celebrate another successful landing. If you find these explanations unsatisfying, please report to your Regimental Commissar for further details.
>>48258349
new players are cancer
>>48259293
>Had Horus been a ____ he would have ___
Had Horus been a Salamander, he would have succeeding at burning the galaxy.
>>48259407
You think that's the best? The one where they said any guardsman caught in a pile of his own guts would be executed is the best.
>>48259435
Had Horus been a Salamander, he would have jobbed to a spoon.
>>48259407
I find that over-the-top sarcasm unfunny.
>>48256210
Not actual previews, but enough hints regarding the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons that would allow people to start buying shit.
A Thanar Cynis, because it's a fucking sweet machine.
Since Russ will be finished and probably on pre-order, maybe a preview of an upcoming character, e.g. Ahriman.
I imagine that the Red Scorpions will be taking a lot of space though since they are the poster chapter for bringing 30k shit into 40k, but fuck em.
As for a surprise, I'd like to see a Heavy Support automata that is not a fucking Thanatar. That Legio Cybernetic rule that locks HS and FA choices untik you've bought a relevant robot is annoying as shit with only one valid choice.
>>48259466
>sarcasm
Report to your Regimental Commissar.
>>48258472
2 bacs is a great starting point. You get
>2 20 man tac squads
>2 5 man support/h support squads
>a 10 man veteran squad
>Contemptor talon
>10 man terminator squad
>a handful of characters to convert
Its a solid base to any army
>>48259584
There should be some good nerdrage if Ahriman's model is wearing the wrong hat for the heresy.
>>48259672
who actually runs 20 man tac squads?
>>48259780
attractive, intelligent and successful people
>>48259780
People that aren't WAACfags
>>48259793
>intelligent to spend 500+ points on 2 units that will die instantly
>>48259809
>being a power gamer
>>48259840
>waste your time buying and painting 40 marines wholl just die instantly otherwise you are a power gamer
>>48259809
>spend 800+ pts. on 4 units that die instantly
>>48259852
>if you play with units that aren't spartans or legion-specific terminators you're wasting your time
>>48259885
>taking more than 20 tac marines total
>>48259912
30 are required as a minimum for AL.
>>48259852
Blobs look glorious on the tabletop. That's all that counts.
>>48259922
>taking that shitty row
>not just running orbital assault or potl with alpharius and 40 plasmaguns
Everyone knows what's shit, but nobody can agree on what's good.
>>48259975
I happen to rather like Coils of the Hydra and the Headhunter Leviathal, so I use them.
>>48259809
I play EC so my blobs actually get into combat :^)
>>48260015
CC terminators in a spartan are good
If youre really a waacfag you wouldnt be playing marines at all, youd be running mechanicum
r8 my 3k IH list. Pride of the legion.
Autuk more with cyber familiar
seiegrbreaker in terminator armor, cyber familiar and TH
10x gorgon terminators with spartan, fully kitted spartan. 5x chain fists in the unit.
10x gorgon terminators with spartan, fully kitted spartan. 5x chain fists in the unit.
6x Phosphex thudd guns
3x meduas
typhon
>>48260065
oh i forgot. it has a dorito too.
>>48256050
Woah, how'd you do that texture?
>>48260065
0/10 would not play against
>>48259708
But we already got a preview of Ahriman in one of the artist's sketch book that was on display, and also a WIP shot of the model??
>>48260122
I imagine it's an airbrush template of some kind?
>make a strong list
>"waaacfaaag!"
>make a weak list
>"neeewfaaag!"
>make an intermediate list
>"fag doesn't know how to make a list!"
>ask help making a list
>"git gud, fag!"
>>48258077
It really depends on the legion, since they get different buffs. It helps if you narrow it down to a few legions you're actually interested in and then asking about them - the 1d4chan article is pretty helpful for starters. You generally want two 10-20 man tactical squads and a contemptor or two, but the rest (and how big your squads should be) is legion-dependent.
I'm not a fan of 2 BaC-box builds. Too much infantry and not enough heavy weapons for the number of points it gives you. Two boxes worth of teminators and two contemptors can work fine, but 60 tacs is often too much.
>>48260124
ok you can play my other 3k list then
6x knight atrapos
r8 my fluffy list, I will be using it to introduce some people at my local shop to 30k
Delegatus
Siege Breaker
9 Rapiers with phosphex cannisters
10 Vets in rhino
10 Vets in rhino
10 Vets in rhino
Lightning with 4 krakens
Lightning with 4 krakens
3 laser vindicators
3 laser vindicators
Deredeo
The other players get to make an army of 1k points each and they team up against me. For the sake of not overwhelming them, I will use the generic LA: Stubborn rule.
>>48260192
Youre missing the point entirely
The only acceptable list type is "fluffy"
>>48260233
And before anyone goes wah wah wah phosphex is soooooo haaaaaaard to manage
I already anticipated that and have tons of these printed out. So it won't be an issue at all and everyone can continue playing at a good pace and enjoy the game without getting bogged down.
Can a Terminator Forgelord take a dedicated Rhino even though he can't embark it?
>>48260192
Make a list full of WAAC units/options and people will point out the WAAC.
Make a list full of garbage units/options and people will point out the garbage.
Make a list full of decent units and you will get no responses, which is the true mark of a good list.
>>48260233
6/10 WAAC 10/10 fluff. needs more typhon
>>48260233
>9 rapiers
>6 laser vindicators
>>48260199
Two boxes gives you 8 missile launchers, 8 heavy bolters, 8 plasma guns, 8 meltaguns and 8 flamers. You should be able to make support squads with those.
Nothing stops you from turning them into other than tacticals.
>>48260277
no it gives you 6 of them, not 8. you can mke small support squads but if you actually want a 10 man squad youd still have to buy more
>>48260271
That would be rather unfair. I did say that this is to be played as an introductory list for people who have never played 30k before.
How do Domitar-Ferrum automata fare up against a contemptor dread? Both options are pretty cool, but I'm not sure which to choose for my SoH/Iron Warriors list. Gotta love the design of the beep boops though.
>>48260252
Except when the fluffy list is too strong or not the right kind of fluff.
I'm back in the hobby after a 15 year absence and what I see in 40k scares me, but HH looks fantastic. Only thing is... I'm confused by how the books are structured.
Suppose I want to play an Alpha Legion army. Do I still need book 3 for rules, or is it just for fluff now? And what's the difference between the two red books on the FW site?
>THE HORUS HERESY - LEGIONES ASTARTES: AGE OF DARKNESS ARMY LIST
>THE HORUS HERESY LEGIONES ASTARTES: AGE OF DARKNESS LEGIONS
It's like they got Alpharius to do their marketing.
>>48260301
Yeah, you're right. Still, enough to get you started. It's easier to buy weapons and upgrade bits to those minis than whole units.
>>48260322
theres nothing fluffy about 6 thudd guns, 12 rapiers and 6 vindicators paired with a typhon
>>48260361
That sounds like the fluffiest of Iron Warrior lists
Also about as much fun to play against as decimation.
>>48260335
one is the rules for generic legion units hat all legions can take. Age of darkness legions is only the special units and rules unique to each legion
>>48260361
Neither in 20 strong tacticals, it seems.
>>48260252
k heres my fluffy 3k IW list. ironfire.
kyr vanhalen
siegebreaker
10x tac shitters with vox in rhino
10x tac shitters with vox in rhino
9x phosphex thudd guns
3x medusa
10x tyrant terminators (siegebreak and van halen go here)
2x typhons
>>48260378
a fluffy IW list should have no less than 60 tacticals and 10 terminators footslogging with medusas and thudd guns for support
They are literally the "throw bodies at them until their guns are clogged with our entrails" legion
>>48260335
what >>48260388 said.
the Age of Darkness Army List book is the generic Space Marine Legion armylist that all legions draw from.
The Age of Darkness Legions book has all the currently available Legion unique rules and units.
(well, most of them, it's missing a pile of Rites of War from book 6 of the HH, but they'll be added to a later Red Book I imagine)
>>48260394
have fun spending $2000 on your army
>>48260449
only costs like $200 from china
>>48260361
Ok senpai say no more, I got choo
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20x Tac...hrng 10x Vets in rhino
tyrants
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>>48260457
then $20,000 in chemotherapy
>>48260460
The Hotpockets will return.
>>48260471
>chinese resin gives you cancer
sure thing, FW sales team.
>>48260335
What you're gonna wanna get is the age of darkness army list (currently on pre order on FW rn) and the Legiones Astartes army list which is already for sale.
Age of darkness is all the generic units that are availible to all units
Legiones Astartes details all the rules for the legions that matter to you (ie: alphas)
If you want fluff then get book III
>>48260422
I thought Fists were the ones banging their heads against enemy walls.
>>48260388
>>48260444
Ah, thanks!
>>48260505
Sorry Anon, but that would give him v1.0 and v2.0 of the same book.
The Age of Darkness Army List book is the replacement of the original Legiones Astartes Army List book.
The Age of Darkness Legions book has the Legion special rules.
r8 my fluffy 3k SoH list. orbital ass salt
horus
praetor terminator armor. paragon blade whatever
12x justaerin all with combi-plasma, 5x chainfists. teleport
12x justaerin all with combi-plasma, 5x chainfists. teleport
12x justaerin all with combi-plasma, 5x chainfists. teleport
leviathin sege drednut in drop pod with seiegewrecker and grav bungbord
its fulffy because horus has justaerin
>>48260587
>NO abbadon
0/10 not fluffy at all would not piss on if on fire
>>48260552
I didn't know the new book was also going to include the legion rules
>>48260587
No wonder why that Ullanor Megaboss got wrecked.
Still, should Justaerin really be 2W? Especially when IH and DG were the resilient ones, and the Gorgons only good thing is relentless grav guns.
Feels like Justaerin are 2W simply because they were extremely expensive in HH1
>>48260628
Taking Abaddon right now would be unfluffy, considering he sucks so much.
>>48260664
It doesn't.
THE HORUS HERESY - LEGIONES ASTARTES: AGE OF DARKNESS ARMY LIST
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/The-Horus-heresy-legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Army-List
replaces the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List book (and is currently on pre-order).
THE HORUS HERESY LEGIONES ASTARTES: AGE OF DARKNESS LEGIONS
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Legions
has the currently available Legion special rules (and has been out for a while now).
HH Book 6 contains additional Rites of War and the initial rules for the White Scars, Blood Angels and Dark Angels, a later Red Book (a follow-up to the Age of Darkness Legions book probably) will roll them into the rest of the set.
My apologies for the all caps titles, but FW decided that those needed to be in caps for some reason.
>>48260667
I agree with you on 2W thing, but Gorgons will walk through any small arms fire like nothing. Still, they should get more tech.
>>48260667
all 2W does is make plasma ineffective against them. all of the other decent anti TEQ options will still just ID them. they were supposed to be the premier terminator unit after all
its the 24x BS5 rapidfire plasmashots per unit combined with it that makes them insane
>>48260667
>Especially when IH and DG were the resilient ones
you forgot salamanders
Honestly though, legion unique terminators being extra tough isn't something I mind that much. I'd be fine with everyone getting that 2W TEQ pie.
I'm thinking about starting Word Bearers. If I take 3 20 man tac squads with dark channeling and apothecaries to run screaming across the board would that be a solid base for the army?
>>48260783
They are almost-entirely cyberyzed marines. You'd think the IH terminator-replacement unit would be more resilient than a run if the mill Cataphractii, right?
At least give them a 4++ and FnP for Empra's sake
>>48260846
I didn't. Those 2W do make sense, but their resilience was more about tenacity and "against all odds" thing, and their LA rules deliver.
>>48260850
Why not get daemons to run screaming into the enemy's guns for you?
>>48260850
I wouldn't take more than two blobs. Grab a dreadnought talon or some support squads to run alongside them.
>>48260233
>9 Rapiers with phosphex cannisters
>>48260192
I always try to offer help with list makers when I can. Post your list, I will review the fuck out of it.
>>48261223
Meh, people have already ripped it to shreds left and right. Plenty of shit units I just like for some stupid reason and if I complain about them being shit, I'm a waacfag. Just don't give a shit anymore.
>>48256210
I'd like to see Tyrant Soege Termis, and Iron Havoc Support Squads.
>>48261223
Legio Cybernetica, 1250/1250 points
== HQ ==
Anacharis Scoria (315)
+ Xanathite Abeyant
== TROOPS ==
Tech Thralls x15 (80)
Ritual of Pure Thought, Carapace
Tech Thralls x15 (80)
Ritual of Pure Thought, Carapace
Castellax x2 (260)
Targeters, Flamers, Frags
Castellax x2 (290)
Targeters, Darkfire Cannons, Frags
== FAST ATTACK ==
Vorax x3 (225)
Frags
PArt of an escalation league, so "bring what you intend to always field".
>>48261276
Complaining about units being bad won't fix them. If you enjoy playing your list that's all that matters, if nothing else just say
>I know this list is crap but I like (insert what you like about it) about it. Any tips to tweak it a bit would be appreciated.
Whenever I look at a list I tend to avoid suggesting outright replacements for units unless they are very similar.
>>48261335
I have some ork players I'd like you to talk to.
>>48261379
They can talk to my 9x3 thudd guns
>>48261335
>Complaining about units being bad won't fix them
Some units are worth complaining for. I remember the SoH's rants back on HH1, and they were completely justaeified.
>>48261329
Jesus Christ anon.
>Anacharis Scoria (315)
At 1250 points I think most people can agree this is pretty absurd, you are effectively bringing a primarch to what's barely a 1000 point game. Couldn't you start with a less expensive warlord and drop them down to second in command replacing them with Scoria at higher point levels?
>Tech Thralls
Honestly doubt your ability to successfully hold any objectives. They will instantly collapse in an assault and die very easily to even mundane bolter shooting.
>Castellax with Darkfire Cannons
Is this your attempt at anti-tank? I mean you shouldn't need much at such a low point level but Darkfire cannons only pen AV 12+ on a 6 IIRC which is hardly reliable if you are only taking two. I would suggest something like thallax with meltabombs and possibly tank hunters. Also can hold objectives better than the thralls thanks to T 5, 3 wounds, and FnP 6+.
Honestly I'm not sure whether to look at this as a poor attempt to be OP or just a weird obsession with Scoria to the point where you spend 20% of your points on him at low point levels. My honest suggestion is to drop Scoria and add him in at higher point levels if that is possible (don't play escalation) if not I would probably drop the castellax for some thallax with meltabombs. Any more saved points can be reinvested into the thalls to give them FnP or just add bodies.
>>48260488
Any fine particulate is a carcinogen if you inhale it. What makes FW resin bad, is the way in which it breaks off the piece when you sand it, its very sharp. Using a resin from an unknown supplier like chinaman is fucking retarded. Take precautions if you do, clean and sand it outside then douse the fucker until theres no exposed resin and make sure you wash your hands thoroughly after using it.
>>48261465
>being scared of plastic army men
i just dont snort piles of resin dust
>>48260233
nobody in the universe is going to sit there and wait as you fire 36 fucking small blasts
>>48261497
Unfortunately it takes a lot less than that to cause damage. Airborne particulates are still a problem.
>>48261465
Christ, I dread to think the hysteria if models were still made out of lead.
>>48261538
honestly most of the shit you get from china comes off sprue anyway.
once you paint it and varnish it a few times you wont even be touching resin ever again. theres no reason not to use chinese resin.
id still rather fw just made everything in plastic though
>Not doing all clipping, sanding, shaving and drilling underwater in a plastic tub far away from your house
>Not wearing a mask and having proper ventilation and fans at all times
>not changing your clothes and showering directly after working with resin every time
Enjoy your cancer and brain damage
>>48261527
Fuck you I paid for those units, now you suffer in silence with me.
And those 36 blasts stay on the board. And the next turn they start moving around while I put down another 36.
What is the best armor mark and why is it MkV?
>>48260877
Stock gorgons are actually more survivable than stock Cataphracts.
5++/5+FNP > 4++
And because of inviolate armour they're more likely to get that FNP too
>>48261601
I would literally alpha strike all your rapiers off the board turn 1 just so i dont have to sit through all that shit
>>48261618
DECIMATION
>>48261538
>>48261497
>>48261465
I just wear a dust mask whenever I'm working with resin and vacuum afterwards
>>48261601
>play DG
>they get a free 4+++ fnp and move through cover
mmmm phosphex tastes GOOD
>>48261609
My battle brother
>>48261465
>>48261497
>>48261538
>>48261574
>>48261576
It's true, resin dust will cause you problems. Doesn't matter whose resin it is, you should avoid dry sanding unless you use a mask (a good one).
Chinaman stuff off-gasses some interesting chemicals before you prime it, but you can let it air out before assembly and you'll be mostly fine.
>>48261609
>Traitors in MkV
REEEEEEEE
>>48261465
>Pick a legion, wading through memes and dubs
>Make a list fluffy yet not shitty...but don't waacfag either
>Fluff your dudes, but don't turn them into edgy snowflakes
>Be aware of the exchange rate to your currency
>Either find chinaman or begin selling kidneys
>Be gud at painting, filling and posing
>Hobby with care and on a ventilated area, lest you die from the dumbest case of cancer possible
>I hope don't have shitty weather over there, it could make hobbying more difficult
>You live near a LGS, right? :^)
>Whoops, seems they're going to ban FW stuff. But Taudar is all the rage nowadays, eh?
It's already difficult to play this game to worry about inhaled cáncer
>>48261679
is that why his stuff smells funny? it's kind of a neat smell i liek it uqit a lote iz nieceee
r8 my 1400k loyalist Shattered Legions list
++HQ++
Legion Praetor (160)
- Paragon Blade, Artificer Armour, Volkite Charger, Sons of Horus
++TROOPS++
Legion Tactical Marines x20 (275)
- Vexilia, Melta Bombs, Combi Weapon, Iron Warriors
Legion Veterans x10 (280)
- Outflank, Rhino /w Combi Bolter, 2x Melta Guns, Vexilla, Volkite Serpenta, Sons of Horus
Legion Veterans x10 (280)
- Outflank, Rhino /w Combi Bolter, 2x Melta Guns, Vexilla, Volkite Serpenta, Sons of Horus
++ELITES++
Domitar-Ferrum Battle-Automata x1 (205)
++HEAVY SUPPORT++
Sicaran Battle Tank (175)
- Lascannons, Iron Warriors
Please bear in mind this list is made to do fairly decently against both 30k and 40k.
>>48261695
>>48261679
Its mostly dark resin like Z
>Tfw found a chinaman with god tier quality that casts in non-toxic resin
>mfw world eaters friend wont play me because he thinks im waac
>has smashed me the last three times weve played
>>48261679
Yeah, my one and only China order I got I had to air out for like 2 hours before I even felt safe touching it. Really brittle too.
>>48261758
>>48261601
Perturabo, why?!
>>48261781
Because I fucked up
>>48260233
>36 blasts
>the floor is now lava
>>48261800
This is probably how he felt when he learned the Iron Circle couldn't deep strike. Maybe he could just stuff them into a Spartan and toss it where he wants them.
>>48260233
>only 9 rapiers
>not 12
>not bringing a Medusa battery with phosphex shells
Your army is lacking.
>>48261880
>Not putting down AT LEAST 50 phosphex templates per turn
Its like you dont even ironfire
>>48261612
I completely forgot they had FnP. Then again, combined with 4++ would be awesome.>>48261673
>>they get a free 4+++ fnp and move through cover
At the expense of -1 to Sweep
...pffft DG rules are awesome, and Cataphractii termies couldnt care less about them. What other legions besides the DG and FnP WEs can approach to safe footslogging? IH?
>>48261834
DG can bring even lots of templ8s too, m8. Typhon has an orbital fart too, how cool is that.
>>48262016
>What other legions besides the DG and FnP WEs can approach to safe footslogging?
Night Lords
>>48262016
>FnP WEs can approach to safe footslogging?
FnP WEs arent safe footslogging since they only get the +1FNP in the enemies deployment zone, which they wont live long enough to get to.
IH can do it but they have to pass tests just to run.
>>48262027
yeah the cover save is big
>>48262016
>>48262027
AL and RG for infiltrate, makes footslogging much safer as you need take less enemy fire before getting in close combat or firing your bolters.
>>48261758
Did this guy happen to spray paint cleaning fluid into a kids eyes?
>>48261699
Usually cancer is something I concern myself with before worrying about fluff or finding a game.
>>48261933
>12x4+3=51
What are you on about?
>>48262059
the guy in the photo or the WE player
>>48262110
>tfw i smoke a pack of unfiltered lucky strikes every day
yeah im worried about dangerous resin too
>>48262168
Dont bother saving for retirement.
>>48260518
We Imperial Fists are sitting within the walls sipping margaritas and oiling our abs, thank you very much.
>>48262183
i dont, i spend it on things i can enjoy
>>48262253
>>48262309
>memes
>>48262261
I actually cant believe theres someone saying "okay be careful about this and this it could be bad for your health" and this guys like NAH MAN I SMOKE A PACK A DAY FUCK THIS GUY EARLY DEATH HOOOAH
