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OT: >>48175473
Do you guys have that one friend who always pushes a broken custom card idea and asks you about it?
Currently he keeps sending me this 1cmc Planeswalker with "+1 Add G to your mana pool", and despite how much I disagree, he keeps arguing how it isn't that bad. It's been going on for a while now, and this post is partly to rant, but how do I get him to either make it in quiet or leave me alone about it? I've tried dismissing it like a normal human being but he keeps sending me it.
>>48207068
Get him to post it here, or do it yourself. Then show him the responses it gets. Oh, and point to Tibalt and the original Nissa for why CMC < 3 planeswalkers are not a good idea.
>>48207351
He sent me it in text this time around, so here is what he left me:
G
Planeswalker
+1 Add G to your mana pool.
-3 Return target card from your graveyard to your hand,
-5 Search your library for a creature card reveal it and put it in your hand. Shuffle your library.
>>48207376
Yeah, this is why low-cast planeswalkers don't work, because this doesn't even feel like a planeswalker. It might as well be an artifact. Come on, the most powerful ability it has is on a 2-CMC card. A good card, mind you, but still. It needs to be CMC 3 or greater, first off, and we can go from there. Seriously, this could be a creature.
How OP is Youmu here, /ccg/ ?
She's got protection, spontaneous growth, and heals you.
Keep in mind, the powerlevel I'm going for is 'something comparable to Spiritmonger, but a bit better'
The Wibbly Lever!
>>48207820
Not bad.
>>48207820
I'd ditch vigilance to be on the safe side. Looks fine, otherwise.
>>48207903
Repeating the process of choosing targets is so rules-fucky that I don't think that's the right way to word it.
>Otherwise, copy Fist Logic and you may choose new targets for the copy.
Bird tribal, yay
>>48207732
http://magiccards.info/query?q=not+e%3Asoi+t%3Aequi+mana%3D0&v=card&s=cname
4RR for a 5/14 with vigilance and reach (that leaves equipment everywhere on death). Doesn't actually seem that strong, given the requirement that you stick a bunch of shitty artifacts in your deck, but still...
>>48207939
I'll just make the wording more amusing, silver-border it, and call it a day.
>>48208157
Ugh... yeah, the 0-cost Equipment are annoying. Um... any ideas? Maybe the cards need to have different CMCs?
>>48208157
Why does your Bird tribal include Black?
>>48207820
have her start off smaller you that you have to pump her to survive combat.
>>48208157
Kinda weird that you NEED the blue mana (or other birds in your deck) to do the +X/+X or -X/-X, which are very black and... well, actually, +X/+X based on X mana is actually pretty dang green, but I guess you can pretend it's an easy to cast shade ability that needs a sac.
On the whole this card seems cool and good, is a nightmare with squadron hawk, and could probably still benefit from a little bit of tweaking and twiddling.
>>48208948
Not Mythic. MAYBE rare. If it cost 1 more, or was a 3/3, I could see the argument for uncommon even.
>>48208948
>BG creature
>not a hyper-efficient powerhouse
How's this, /ccg/ ?
She can't buff herself, can feed her vampire mistress.
>>48207820
>not entering with a 1/1 flying spirit
you've failed me
Are we posting 2hus now?
>>48210224
Why does she have lifelink? She's not a vampire. Doesn't need to be legendary either. I'd even drop the white and cost her at 2B since first strike is tertiary in black and buffing your demonic overlords is pretty black.
>>48210524
I figured giving her the classic Shade pump ability would be enough.
But speaking of ETB effects, how's Reimu here?
>Better Serra Angel, in WU
Might bump her up to mythic. And better Serra Angel ain't nothing new, see flippy-Avacyn.Though giving Reimu Aetherling's flicker ability is kinda bonkers, especially with an ETB.
>>48210621
Always post 2hus, anon.
As for lifelink, I was thinking "she bleeds them dry to feed to Remi" or something, thus collecting life from the blood she spills. But that's already kinda covered by the +1/+1 counter.
Yeah, I forgot FS was tertiary black, too.
I like that Parsee, by the way. Cool way to play up the 'jealousy' part.
A recent card published by roborosewater, pretty neat imo
Here's my take on Youmu. Boring but functional.
>>48207820
Hexproof and shade is pretty good, but then again it is 5 CMC. Though I don't see the connection to the actual character. Care to enlighten me?
>>48210706
Serra Angel has vigilance. That said I'd like it better in mono-white and flickering for WW. Still no reason to be legendary other than the name.
So how long do you guys usually take to find 2hu art you like? I keep searching through 10+ pages on gelbooru and the like with appropriate tags but I rarely find anything satisfactory.
>>48210778
>Infinite Blaze
Not sure this works as you splice while casting, so when this is on the stack it's already too late to splice other stuff onto it. Maybe "You may splice red instant and sorcery cards onto ~ as though those cards had splice onto arcane."
Which one do you like best?
>>48210945
>Hexproof and shade is pretty good, but then again it is 5 CMC. Though I don't see the connection to the actual character. Care to enlighten me?
Hexproof more because she's kinda ascetic (Hi trolls) and such.
Shade because half-ghost.
Lifegain because she feeds them to Yuyuko.
>Serra Angel has vigilance. That said I'd like it better in mono-white and flickering for WW. Still no reason to be legendary other than the name
Reimu has pseudo vigi by flickering herself on yorur second main, since she'll come back untapped.
I guess she could go mono W, too.
As for images, I use danbooru, and typically search pools with the character name. So my search would be:
>Hakurei_Reimu pool:badass
or something.
>>48211120
1 and 4 seem pretty balanced to me.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad would it be to try and make a colorshifted set themed after a few planeswalkers, sort of like Magic Origins?
>>48211215
My tip is to avoid Planeswalkers if you're new to designing custom Magic cards.
>>48211082
Thanks a bunch anon-kun, that works a lot better now that I think about it. Anything that avoids mentioning the stack is good in my books.
>>48211265
pretty sure that can create a hard lock if imprinted onto ischron scepter
>>48211265
Give it "except for the first card drawn per turn" or "except for the top card of the library" and it's a lot more balanced for 2 mana, probably.
>>48207209
Ok, where to begin?
4 abilities, none of which synergize with the rest.
Poor wording on the plus 2.
Repeatable wrath (compare Elspeth, Sun's Champion at 1 more mana)
Emblem layering issues with her own animation effect.
Is a Fallen Angel, but isn't black.
>>48208948
Fine card power-wise, I like the throwback to dark heart of the woods, but agree it isn't a mythic level card.
>>48211215
As a set concept I love it, colorshifted cards are some of my favorite to see.
>>48211289
Wouln't break modern.
>>48211330
If you're casting it on someone's upkeep, it's generally not going to be very good anyway.
>>48211244
I've worked on a few sets before. The planeswalkers wouldn't be as much of a focus mechanically. It's more just a cycle shifted into other colors, and then designing the rest of the set off of cards related to them and the planes they're from.
>>48211370
Yeah, colorshifting is an interesting concept, though I'm not sure how far I'll end up going with it. I might try and simply reference other cards and tweak them to fit a new color, rather than just transferring wholesale Planar Chaos style.
I have no idea if the wording on this is correct.
>>48211164
>Hexproof more because she's kinda ascetic (Hi trolls) and such.
I'll admit I haven't read most of the official manga but I don't think that's true.
>Shade because half-ghost.
It makes sense creature-type wise but ehh. I guess you could justify it with her concentration gimmick.
>Lifegain because she feeds them to Yuyuko.
If you associate eating with lifegain then shouldn't that ability be on Yuyuko?
>Reimu
I also meant to say that personality-wise I'd put Reimu firmly in RW and nowhere near U. And vigilance you have to pay for =/= vigilance. Plus the new Avacyn is a thing.
>Yuuka
Abilities generally go continuous first, triggered second, activated third. You can also combine (current) lines 3 and 4 to make it a bit less wordy.
>Lands with awakening counters on them are creatures with base power and toughness 3/3 and have hexproof. They're still lands.
Solid design overall.
>>48211455
I have about 5 years and 1.5k posts on another forum designing custom Magic cards, and I still only get Planeswalkers right very rarely (when compared to other card types.)
If that Lilliana is any indication, you probably couldn't pull off a redo of the big 5. No offense meant - it's just frankly out of your league.
Last one for tonight. I know the 0 is strong but she doesn't have a "comeback" ability like Elspeth SC so I think it's fine.
>>48212063
>each turn, generate a fuckhueg swarm of plants that are actually capable of dealing damage
>can also Bramblecrush repeatedly
I love it, much more powerful than the Yuuka I made
>>48211523
Just out of curiosity, what would you say the biggest problems with it are?
This is now /2hu-cg/
>>48207903
Doesn't work. A creature dealt damage in the fight won't die until state-based actions are checked after the spell is done resolving.
>>48212317
Doesn't feel like Lilliana OR Chandra. More like a Tibalt. Also the ultimate isn't red. Most numbers could really use some tweaking as well.
>>48212317
Also think about how one-dimensional playing with her must feel.
Look at Garruk Wildspeaker. Think at why ALL of his numbers are exactly that. Consider how the abilities synergize. Think what his abilities tell about his character. Think of how the games where you've caster Garruk have played out. How they've felt. Now how the games where you've played against Garruk have played out. How THEY'VE felt.
I want to make scry matters cards.
Would this wording actually work?
>>48214508
I think you can just make cards that trigger whenever you scry. Didn't Theros have some?
Good? Bad? Pushed out of the spotlight due to the whims of hubristic, arrogant editors who have more regard for their childhoods than their audience?
>>48214508
This + Sphinx of the Jwar Isle = Fun Times
>>48214508
Finally! A card that makes Lens of Clarity playable!
What are some tips on doing a Tribal focused set well? Is Lorwyn a good example to go by?
>>48216340
It's tricky, because you want to reward people for building tribal but not force them into doing it. Not every card has to support a tribal archetype, and tribes should be allowed to overlap occasionally when it comes to color.
I say as I post an awful lord for a shitty tribe. But hey, if Ishkana can make print, so can this sucker!
inb4
>not actually a God creature
>>48216395
Yeah. I've read that it's important to have Tribes that cross colors and interact with eachother, so you don't just have 1 color tribes as the only options.
I'll also have to resist the temptation to make every card tribal support, since it sounds like those sorts of more generic effects are key.
I had it in mind to do mostly 2 color tribes, though I might need more than just 5 allied color pairs.
>>48216507
Lorwyn was really good about how it did tribal by incorporating the Changelings, as well as a bunch of cards that would care about more than one tribe at once by being in the color the tribes shared.
Got a Remilia card now
Despite her CHARISMA, she's more of just a limited/casual rare.
Alright, /ccg/, what do you think of this one?
>>48218215
Seemed fun.
Rolled 101 (1d123)
Rollan.
Rolled 69 (1d123)
>>48218958
sure why not
Rolled 68 (1d123)
>>48218988
Allied colored swords!
Doing another.
Rolled 115 (1d123)
>>48219057
One more.
>>48218215
I'm really liking doing 2hu cards. Good idea, anon.
>>48219122
>>48219122
>>48219201
I don't see Sakuya as red at all. White, blue, and black would be her colors. And blue mainly because her ability, rather than any personality.
>>48219222
I wanted her to have Haste to work with her psuedo-timewalk. I suppose Black gets access to Haste, but meh. It's one of those cases where the ability I thought fit doesn't necessarily grok with the flavor of the character 100%.
>card
Yes, I know it's not the name of her pocketwatch. Could probably be cheaper since it's symmetrical.
The sure-kill, scarlet spear. Changed the name because ZUN can't into English names.
The sound of it from 12.3 will haunt me forever. That SCHWIINNNNNG...
>>48218958
A result of an off-4chan random number generator and a reroll but whatever. Technically not a white/black land but what is? Coming up with another comes-into-play-untapped clause for a dual seemed boring.
>>48218958
Am I missing something, or is there nothing for the new symbol for colorless mana yet?
Last go for now. Spiral is hard. Trying to emphasize magic now.
>>48219712
No, it's there. Try using [C] If that doesn't work, update MSE.
>>48209971
>>48210071
>>48211370
Haha, I'll see about making them a 5/5. They're probably worse enough than Thrun to merit it. I mostly like the mind games of whether or not you're crazy enough to sac tapped lands for the hexproof.
>>48212302
sexy af
I'd make it a little bit more expensive and squeeze an okay activated ability onto it.
>>48218546
This silver bordered card I've had saved for awhile now sums up what I think of that one.
>>48218546
What's the difference between Youkai and Spirits of the Kamigawan variety?
>>48219712
Reinstall the templates.
Rolled 77 (1d123)
>>48219939
>>48219777
Ah, I had just updated MSE, but didn't check templates themselves. That fixed it.
Also rollan again.
>>48219892
I was thinking something along the lines of a bigger Darkest Hour effect, and then taking advantage of it.
Was thinking of adding in an Urborg effect, too, but decided against it.
Has wotc stated whether or not cards that start in the command zone is off-limits design for normal magic?
>>48220078
The zone doesn't even exist in normal formats.
>>48220175
It does, it's where emblems go.
>>48220078
I believe so. I'm pretty sure that when they were developing Innistrad, the mechanic that became Miracle was originally going to be something that allowed a card to start off in exile or something, and you could retrieve it later. They eventually axed this idea because they didn't like the absolute certainty it gave players. Think about it, all you need is for one of the cards to be good to see it dominate every format in Magic before getting banned so hard people give you stink eye for even suggesting you might use it.
>>48220241
I would need to know more about what their designs looked like to know exactly what needs to be avoided. I can't even visualize how miracle was connected to a command zone mechanic.
>>48220343
You don't get it. It is the absolute certainty that makes the entire concept impossible to ever see the light of day. Think about it. Currently, the only constructed formats that have this same sort of guarantee are Vanguard and Commander, formats built around those very cards. Having an absolute guarantee of a card is a Pandora's Box that Wizards was very smart not to open.
>>48220388
There are ways to make it so it's not certain, and I would expect that they experimented with those ways, but I can't know if I don't have any info.
>>48220415
>cards that start in the command zone
>There are ways to make it so it's not certain
Well, you've pretty much convinced me that you have no clue what you're talking about.
/ccg/ SUCKS! So many people put effort into making interesting cards yet NO ONE has the time to rate or critique eachother. There are only about 20 cards posted that have had meaningful replies.
And yet, you guys make the same thread every single day.
>>48220442
I'd say you have no imagination, but you imagined reading something about command zone cards in innistrad development, because if they would have abandoned a mechanic for such an obvious reason, it would have never made it to testing in the first place. You have provided no evidence to prove that you didn't just make that up.
>>48220516
You know, I really don't like being accused of lying
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/topical-blend-did-you-hear-one-about-2015-12-07-0
Now, I want to preface this by stating that I read this article a while ago, so my memory was a bit fuzzy before, which is why I didn't state for certain in my earlier post that the mechanic was related to Miracle. This article is about a few different mechanics, the first being the one I was talking about, cards that would allow you to start the game with them in your opening hand (not the command zone, but it still fits in being a guarantee of a card). Now, I'm not entirely certain why I thought this mechanic was related to Miracle, but it might be because the one after it does talk about development they were doing in Innistrad, an unused keyword called Forbidden that they eventually replaced with Miracle.
>>48220496
How about you get off your high horse and do some feedback?
>>48220869
That's a pretty big detail to let slip, because you made it sound like something that was seriously considered.
Just because a card is open, doesn't mean you can use it. The simplest example is something that costs more mana than you can produce. Card variance still exists because, even if you are guaranteed the card, you aren't guaranteed the conditions needed to use it. And card variance can always be increased in one place to offset it in another.
>>48221117
Well, yes, but it's still a guarantee that you will HAVE the card, which is the most important part. The conditions for casting it come afterwards. Like with commanders or vanguards. You might not be able to use them every turn, but you will always have the opportunity to use them.
And I did tell you that I read the article a while ago and I was fuzzy on the details.
>>48221199
But the conditions can be much more extreme, because this something that is ONLY used this way. The first thing I have to do is think up an implementation that works at the common level.
>>48221442
If the guarantee of a card doesn't have an effect on the power level, then why are there banned commanders?
Someone having their Kokusho every game is something they don't want to happen.
>>48221523
How does that relate to my post? Those cards weren't created with the intention of working that way, while these would.
One thing that will need to be done regardless of the implementation is that there needs to be a downside to having them in your deck. Every one would need to incur some kind of penalty from the very start of the game. Does that outright disqualify the mechanic though?
>>48219595
flavorwise there's no difference between token creatures and creature cards. I'd change the cost reduction to "CARDNAME costs G less for each Elemental creature you control." for the same basic functionality.
My Remi is pushed, but I could definitely see Wizards printing something like this for a lore-relevant legend.
>>48218654
This could cantrip.
>>48219222
>White control magic
I don't like it. I'd rather she have some sort of pump as she's canonically a muscle wizard.
>>48219307
>Dial
Shouldn't an ability based on time stop give extra steps rather than take them away?
>>48219547
>Gungnir being anything other than a Lightning Bolt reprint
You've never played Touhouvania 2?
>>48220496
While I feel like you have a point in that we have problems with people posting a card and not at least reviewing one in exchange, this is likely for a few reasons:
>fear of being wrong on a critique
People simply don't want to be called out for a bad critique with their "name" attached to it. While this is kinda unfortunate, it's a product of the community. Some people have thicker skin than others.
>nobody reviewed my last few cards even though i posted critiques of others' cards so i'm done trying
A vicious cycle. Once it starts, it doesn't usually stop easily.
Now, while being as confrontational as you are being about it, >>48220869 has a point. The best way to break the cycle is to be the better poster. If nobody gives you feedback, that's okay. If it becomes a problem (several posts of your card being ignored and people only responding your critiques if at all) then take a break. Don't bother getting mad about it. This thread and these people are not worth it, honestly. Card design is supposed to be fun, and if you aren't enjoying yourself, then why bother? Now, of course if you're just making troll cards or being annoying on purpose, that's another can of worms, but we'll assume that honestly made cards will, with any luck, interest people, and elicit honest feedback. That's how the threads get better. If they aren't good, don't participate if you've made an honest effort to improve them. If you haven't, then don't bother opening your mouth, honestly. It doesn't help anyway.
Would it be possible to have a creature cost 1 to less to cast for each -1/-1 counter you choose to have it enter with? Either global or on the creature itself. I can't think of a way to word that isn't really awkward.
>>48222255
Heartless Summoning is the easiest way; you do a static reduction for the static number of counters. Making it variable is where the wordiness gets out of control (possibly; maybe there's a way to do it I'm not considering or thinking of).
>>48222287
Yeah variants of heartless were what I was thinking of.
>>48220496
ALRIGHT FUCKBOY YOU FUCKING ASKED FOR IT
>>48214543
The +3/+3 is too powerful in addition to the flash and lifelink. I'd remove some part of it or tone something down so you dont flash it in and kill three things and gain 12 life for five mana.
>>48219203
Islandwalk is pretty phased out. The design could work with flying though.
>>48219228
Too efficient. Increase the cost by a lot or get way lower on the p/t. Another option is to tweak with the abilities though. Personally I don't like red doing toughness based damage.
>>48219362
Not common. Also better than a basic (ignoring the bonus of the Basic type) which is a no no for land design.
>>48219636
Sweet. This is what sphinxes should be. I would want the ability to be on combat damage to a player though. It shouldn't be so easy as to just require attacking.
>>48221862
This is incredibly boring. Flying also isn't really that red anymore. Like, it goes on dragons because it absolutely needs to, but besides that it is pretty heavily no longer red.
>>48221947
Have the threads been really bad recently? Haven't checked in for awhile.
>>48212794
the 8 trigrams have as much to do with flame as they do with the other four elements. the artifact makes absolutely no sense mechanic(mtg) or religion wise.
>>48222322
haste/flying
olivia from innistrad
>>48222322
>This is incredibly boring. Flying also isn't really that red anymore.
I figured vampires get flying, but it seems that's only for black. And yeah, it's boring, but I couldn't think of anything else that's really fitting. I'll see what I can do. Here's one based on one of her spells.
>Card
Sweet. Could possibly see this as 1G/U and unearth for B/G in a multicolor heavy set.
>>48212302
yes
by god yes
this is a fucking 10/10 custom here. why can't wizards give us shit like this
>>48220003
Another double-faced.
Not sure if the wording really works or is as concise as it should be. Basically I just want to give them whatever landwalk they put counters on.
I would just make them unblockable as long as opponent controlled a land with a counter on it, but I would really prefer landwalking (for flavor reasons).
>>48222636
Remove the you may. As is refusing to trafo would just result in the trigger being put on the stack again until you accept.
For the flipside,
>~ has forestwalk as long as a Forest has a travel counter on it. The same is true for islandwalk and Islands, etc.
might work.
Flavorful card, but I'm not a fan of the mechanics. Why not make it a land enchant that gives a counter on ETB and then trafos for a cost, say 1W each? Against 3+color decks you'll only ever need one counter to be unblockable so the difference is negligible.
Mono-white seems kind of strange to me, but then I couldn't tell you a better color either.
>>48223272
>pretty much immortal planeswalker
That feels.... a bit good.
Hard to transform, though. Dinky little 1/1 with no abilities. Shit, Kenzo the Hardhearted is easier to flip than that, since at least white gets more equipment.
...I could see her working with something like Fire Whip, though.
>>48216340
I'd say "keep the parasitism low, keep the synergy high."
An example I'll use is my dwarves: their Leadership, Phalanx, and Vanguard abilities all work extremely well together, but none of them require the other abilities to function. The result is that dwarves work best with other dwarves, but are still useful in the context of any red or white deck.
>>48206995
Found this pinned up in the managers office at werk, r8/h8/appreci8
>>48223448
So a Dwarven Commander can choose to Lead a Shield Bearer in order to protect another attacking creature from being harmed by blockers. Phalanx is still a useful ability when blocking, and Leadership still has uses without this synergy, but together the two abilities work best.
>>48223491
Add Vanguard into the mix and you have even more tactical options available. The opponent HAS to block your creatures with vanguard if they want to block your other creatures, so your Leader can package creatures you WANT to be blocked alongside your vanguard to set up a catch-22... but even without Leadership, the ability is still perfectly functional.
>>48222255
>>48222287
>>48222307
Yes, static is easiest. Making it variable leads to things like
>As ~ enters the battlefield, you may pay X.
>~ enters the battlefield with [static number] minus X -1/-1 counters on it.
Which, as you can see, isn't very elegant.
>>48222322
>MJ
OK, probably going to get rid of Flash. Oh, and I just realized that the pump ability doesn't work as I was thinking. It's supposed to get +3/+3 for each creature it's blocking beyond the first.
>card
Interesting. Yeah, Unearth seems to be more Jund then Grixis to me. Though Blue is always the redheaded stepchild when it comes to Magic mechanics. Damage? Nope. Destruction? Rarely. +1/+1 counters? Good luck.
>>48222636
Shroud and Landwalk aren't being used anymore. Also, the ability on the other side seems so broad as to nearly make it unblockable. Why is this White?
>>48223452
>Creature - Dirtbag
>24/7
Pfft. Eh, I can roll with it. Though I can see the only reason it's White is because it makes the text stand out.
>>48223448
Pseudo-Banding? This won't end well.
Anybody else having any problems getting the M15 frames to work in MSE?
>>48223903
Nope. They work fine for me, my only problem is that there doesn't seem to be a full art or borderless version of them available yet.
Have you tried updating everything? If all else fails, just download them manually from the template index.
>>48223903
Broken as fuck.
Combo with effect like "When you draw a card, deal 1 damage" and odds are you'll kill your opponent before "Decking" yourself. This + Cavern Skulker + Goblin bombardment is a win, plenty of ways to cheese this into a win.
Hell, doesn't Hivemind force your opponents to resolve theirs first?
>>48223942
If you have less than 100 cards in your deck you lose before any of those 1 damage triggers can go on the stack
>>48223903
You'd probably want something like a 200 card deck to actually use this. It would be awkward as fuck to painstakingly count out exactly 100 cards. If you build your deck right, you instantly win. Otherwise, you instantly lose. Doesn't seem like good design to me. It's a cool, daring concept though.
>>48224483
Well, Battle of Wits exists, so having a 200 card library that wins you the game isn't unprecedented.
How do you feel about this 'walker?
>>48224557
Underwhelming. I'd make the +1 scry 3 or scry 2 but +2. Otherwise you have to just scry 1 for 5 turns just to get an underwhelming ult? Not worth the effort.
>>48224557
I think you could make the -2 a -3 and make it work like Unexpected Results, but without the land thing.
Trying this cycle of "The War of the Three Siblings" again. When I posted them originally, they only interacted with each other. Most feedback said that was really bad and I agreed. Switched it to work with legendaries, but I think it's still bad... input?
>>48223448
>>48223491
>>48223526
I see what you're saying. I'm not sure I can justify 3 keywords per tribe, by having a keyword associated with each to give a synergy that isn't strictly tribal bonuses would help a lot.
>>48224738
Getting colder. This is the opposite of what I was suggesting before. What I said before was that they should have some effect that is always active, but gets boosted when one or more of the others are on the battlefield. Oh, and I repeat this when I say that Flash and protection don't go on the same line. Also, maybe they should have activated abilities or something?
>>48224774
That guy means well, but I don't think his advice is the greatest. Just stick to Lorwyn for now.
>>48219595
"Reveal ~ from your hand until end of turn"
Else it's impossible to know if you're using a second copy of it to make another token.
Anyone have a link to the Hires New Frames?
Have I mentioned before that Doctor Strange is hard? Because he is.
>>48225176
good catch. Also taking the advice of >>48221708 and fixed the comma splice.
>>48224808
Fair points. These guys are a bit wordy, but I like them a lot better. Putting Flash in the right spot made Amuraa's textbox too clunky, so I just gave her hexproof instead. Let's hope 3rd time's the charm for these 3.
>>48225572
Gotta reveal what you tutor.
>>48224483
What is the p/t on this guy?
With both those activated abilities, I feel like they should be 2G and 2U each.
I appreciate them being hybrid with the strictly colored abilities.
>>48225982
Might as well just use similar wording for Forecast now.
>G, Reveal ~ from your hand: Put a 1/1 green Elemental creature token onto the battlefield. Activate this ability only during any upkeep step and only once each turn.
By making it only once each turn, we can just tie it to upkeep and not bother with playing with the card revealed. Though if you're curious, this card has some wording that might help with that.
>>48226293
Right, crap.
>>48212302
Love it but the problem is that if you play it you wanna get it consistently but they don't stack so I suggest to up the cost for a small buff.
Maybe something like this:
Popular Demand RW
Enchantment
Legendary creature spells you cast have convoke.
Legendary creatures you control have haste and "Whenever this creature attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn."
Or make it cost 2R or 1RR for only +1/+0 while attacking.
>>48226514
Wow, people really like that card. And I think that's the difference between me and a lot of other people, I just complicate everything.
This may have been a mistake.
>>48226834
First, wording doesn't work because Overload was designed for the nonpermanent spells. Abilities on those cards work differently from abilities on permanent cards. Second, does this deal 5 damage to each player for each creature that player controls? If so, holy fucking shit, what are you doing?
>>48226834
First off, casting it as mono-blur is a color pie break. You could probably ditch the blue entirely.
Secondly, there's little reason for this to be a creature at all. I'd suggest pumping up the power and toughness to around 3, and making the damage 3 as well. That means you can get either a Bolt on a 3/3, or a 3 damage boardwipe. Much easier to manage costs of.
>>48226868
Did you not read the part where I said that this may have been a mistake?
>>48226882
Should I get rid of Overload while I'm at it?
>>48226905
It might be a mistake, but it's fixable.
Consider making it a sorcery that creates a weird token, and then only deals damage to target creature.
>>48226918
Overload is fine, although I'm not sure how it works on permanents. >>48226868 seems to have decent advice on that, but I think creature+burn that turns into a pure boardwipe is a neat idea.
>>48226868
>400.7a Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities that change the characteristics of a permanent spell on the stack continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes.
Overload works as written.
>>48227189
Yeah. The only place it would be a major issue is if you wanted to give it an activated ability, since that could have memory issues as to whether it wqa overloaded or not. For ETB effects though, it works fine.
>>48197675
I didn't know of a Lotus Eater Story, I just wanted to make a Lotus clone with a drawback.
Also here's a concept I thought up of, It probably isn't rare but I placed it there just in case I make Tri-Lands that enter tapped with resource.
How the heck do I update magic set editor with new mechanics and mana symbols and other shit?
>>48227546
File > Check Updates
>>48227470
You don't know the story of the lotus eaters? OK, it was in The Odyssey, I believe. Basically, there were these people who ate lotuses to put them into a sort of ecstatic dream state. Some of Odysseus's crew started eating the lotuses too, and he had to drag them back to the ship, kicking and screaming the whole time. Ever see Inception? Remember those people who became addicted to the deep-sleep drug? Those are lotus eaters.
>>48227719
It tells me it's up to date, but I don't have the most recent stuff like <> mana, devoid mechanic and this kind of stuff
I read I needed to download templates and such and I don't know which ones or how?
>>48227940
Okay, the additional downloads section in the MSE site, linked in the OP has the templates you need. Just scroll down to the second post and use the Newest in Magic link. That should work for you.
>>48227940
http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/ -> Additional Downloads
>>48227993
>>48227996
ok, im downloading it, where do i put the files once its downloaded?
>>48228074
Doesn't really matter. You'll just run the file you download, and it will open up a box that shows you what it wants to add to MSE. You can refuse to download certain things by unchecking the box next to it.
>>48228074
You shouldn't have to put the file you download anywhere in particular. Just run it and then install the things you want from the installer. If you get stuck doing that there's stuff on that same thread about what to do if something isn't installing properly.
>>48228109
>>48228115
okay, new problem, it wont create some of the files, does that happen when I already have those files or is it some other problem i cannot fathom
>>48227904
Interesting,
Also here's this horrible thing I made.
>>48228394
Oh, goddamnit. You have MSE installed in one of your Program Files folders, don't you? Ugh, I thought this might happen. If that's the case, uninstall MSE completely, then reinstall it SOMEWHERE ELSE, then run the templates file again.
>>48228447
gonna do that, gonna report back soon
>>48228447
question: why does installing in Program Files is a bad idea?
also i installed MSE on my desktop now, is that better?
>>48228705
Program Files is read-only, so you can't update.
>>48228412
Holy shit... Sit down, and take notes.
Landfall doesn't have any real rules meaning, it's just a flag to show players mechanics with similar triggers. Landfall is "Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control" in most cases.
You don't "place" lands, you "play" lands. Though make note that you can also "play" other cards, "play" simply being a catchall term for both playing a land AND casting a spell.
You don't capitalize types, like land, or supertypes, like basic. Only subtypes are capitalized.
Counter names are not capitalized, neither are they "placed" they are "put" onto permanents.
Counters are also not "transferred" they are "moved" from permanent to permanent.
Wizards really dislikes "their" and "they" and instead prefer "he or she" or "his or her" or other variants.
You shouldn't use the X variable on a card to refer to two different things unless each one is mutually exclusive. For example, this card.
So, for this card, better wording is
>Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put a charge counter on ~.
Oh, and ~ refers to the name of the card. Just to make sure you know.
>XC: Move X charge counters from ~ onto another artifact you control.
>T, Remove any number of charge counters from ~: Target opponent reveals a card from his or her hand for each charge counter removed this way.
>>48228705
Yeah, Windows doesn't like it when programs try to edit stuff in the Program Files folders.
>>48228820
Thank you for your Assistance
Whelp, this is what I came up with. It's suppose to be a double faced card but I didn't feel like hunting down the template.
>>48229094
There's a needless blank line at the bottom. And you should use the artifact frame, not the colorless frame. Also, I said that types are not capitalized. Figure out what I'm talking about.
As for the mechanics, sure doesn't feel like mythic. I mean... it doesn't actually DO anything, you know? It needs support for anything to really matter. Also, remember that revealing cards isn't a huge advantage. There's a 1-drop enchantment that has all your opponents play with their hands revealed (oh, there's a good use of "their") just for reference.
>>48229139
It's not hard to get! Link in OP, click, ctrl+F, click, click, save, open, run, wait, done. That's it.
>>48229183
I felt like the main draw of it was the fact it can manipulate charge counters on things.
>>48229266
OK, I think this is something we need to go back to the drawing board for. The mana cost and P/T both feel off, I see no reason for it to be legendary or a faerie, and I don't see much reason for it to use C costs and Landfall. If you want to keep them, you can, I'm just saying that I wouldn't. They just seem a bit random.
Are there any cards in particular you want this to combo well with?
>>48229488
> I see no reason for it to be legendary or a faerie.
Only did that for possibly planning ahead for a faerie tribal.
>Are there any cards in particular you want this to combo well with?
Aether Vial and other stuff with charge counters.
I'll probably scrap it or something, I just really liked the art a good amount that I'll probably use it somewhere else.
Thinking about It, I kinda knew that most of the cards in here are pretty bad.At least that card wasn't the planes-walker I halted work on once I realized that was out of my league.
>>48223726
>Pseudo-Banding? This won't end well.
You got me there. I'm an oldfag, and banding was one of my favorite abilities, so "fixing" banding to try and make it printable is something that motivates me. Leadership fixes most of the problems with banding. I think it's a straight-up better mechanic while keeping banding's flavor and tactical interest.
I understand the "eew, banding" reaction though.
>>48229627
You literally could've found better wording with two seconds of searching.
Two seconds.
"You may play cards from your graveyard.
If a card would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead."
Do your fucking research.
>>48229627
This card seems really poor. It encourages dumping things in your grave, but Delve and all the exiling means your grave will vanish within a couple turns of casting it. Even if you do, playing a few spells from your grave isn't going to help much.
Green creature removal that isn't bigger creatures.
>>48229912
Green creature removal that's red, you mean? I get that "you" are fighting the guy, but the card is a red card, even with the drawback.
It is like Char.
I know it is frustrating that some colors don't get to do stuff others do, but that's the point. Green's removal should be creature based, because it is the creature color.
>>48229266
>>48229627
Yeah, as others have said these cards are pretty bad. A good thing to bear in mind when designing cards is what impact will they have on the game once I've cast them?
In the case of Candledrone you need to jump through hoops to cast it, then once you have it basically just sits there and moves charge counters onto things. It's fine designing a card that is support other cards, but normally these are small cheap cards, not something really expensive you have to build your deck around in order for you to last long enough to cast it. In short it'll probably sit on the battlefield for several turns before it even actually does anything productive, as such it's a bad card. I would honestly play Hexplate Golem over this in like every conceivable deck I could think of.
For Slient (Silent?) Mourning it's a cool concept, Yawgmoth's Agenda with Delve, but the "Exile 10 cards from your graveyard or you lose the game" means you'll probably only get like one turn (upkeep) out of it before it kills you. In this instance this card is sort of the opposite of Candledrone, it does more but you have less time to do it in. This thing should have a drawback, but that is way too steep. If it milled the top 10 cards of your library every turn instead that would seem better. To be honest though I'd just make it straight up Yawgmoth's Agenda with Delve and have done with it.
>>48230080
>>48229762
>>48229675
I removed the lose condition and made the additional exile cost just one card, but I don't really want to one-up Yawgmoth's Agenda.
>>48229912
That's red nigga
I hate it when a character's powerset is basically "Can do anything."
>>48229266
>>48229627
Keep it simple. The more lines of text, the worse your card is. The best cards we come up with have the least rules text.
Awesome example here: >>48212302
Seven words, flavorful as fuck, would be fun to play. Your cards do too much. Does Candledrone really need BOTH the ability to move charge counters AND the look at the other guy's hand ability? Does Silent Mourning really need the "end of turn exile 10 cards or lose the game" ability?
>>48211244
That one's actually really well designed though. Aside from the last ability which is black. Could fly though due to the nature of the card
>>48230215
I'm surprised nobody hit me with a comment like this yet.
>>48230230
Guy who made that card. I picked out the last ability because I recalled it usually being more colorless, so I figured it wouldn't be too egregious.
I'm glad you like it though. I'll probably change the ult to spit out a bunch of devils or imps instead.
Mono-red (flying) fish.
>>48230159
You already have, not having the one spell per turn limit puts this in yawgmoth's will territory.
>>48230215
So something like this?
>>48230988
wat
>>48230988
Still messy.
As an Aura it should have "Enchant creature" as the first line and then something like "Whenever enchanted creature doesn't untap during your untap phase, put a +1/+1 counter on it."
You use counters to track +1/+1 unless it goes away at end of turn. Auras only enchant one permanent.
>>48231038
>>48231024
Whoops, forgot to remove the aura.
Is there any potential here? Besides Super Frogmite Voltron I mean.
Does this work? It's meant so that if one would search their deck for a specific land card, you may get any land card you need instead.
>>48231302
It should probably read like this
"If you would search your library for a specific type of land, you may search your library for any land instead."
Requesting a power check
>>48231302
No? As is it does literally nothing
Also I don't think that this is blue (Likely green) and also I don't even think there are any applications for it''s intended use at all since how many cards make you search for a specific land?
>>48231361
seems fine
>>48231334
True, replaced it but would specific also include things like Bant panorama?
>>48231362
It's probably green, I'll give you that, I was thinking about cards that only search basic land types and whatnot
>>48231378
That's a Instant, this is meant to be a general passive effect.
>>48231302
Okay, please read the OP's Google docs and some actual Magic cards before continuing
>>48231440
The guy who posted >>48231444 should've used this as his image
>>48231527
>>48230214
How are you planning on choosing a card at random from a graveyard?
>>48232511
The same way Charmbreaker Devils, Haunted Fengraf, and a handful of other cards do it. Lay them out, number them, and roll a die is typical.
>>48232574
Or just shuffle as long as you're not in a format that cares about graveyard order
>>48232511
What >>48232574 said. Though I was basing it mostly on Deadbridge Chant. Though I'm wondering if it should only look at your graveyard. Though on the other hand, it's a first draft and I might just ditch the concept entirely, so who knows. Again, it's hard to design a character so ill-defined.
>"I'll put my science in you! I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!!! (I have no idea what I'm saying.)"
Sometimes I feel like I use the UR combination too much.
>>48233682
opt isn't black and scry is a keyword
>>48233783
You can use it on opponents.
>>48207068
G for a ramp permanent that can be attacked isn't that bad at all, that sounds totally balanced and probably wouldn't see heavy play in most formats. What other abilities does it have? That's kind of important to knowing whether or not it's ridiculous or reasonable.
>>48233823
It's scry/fateseal.
>>48233867
You should use the Shift+Enter trick on the bottom of the front so the words don't bleed over the numbers, which is what I did here. Also, I think it should be uncommon.
>>48233944
I didn't know that was a feature. Neat.
>>48233867
I think the flipside of this would work better as a 1/3. More likely to actually use the effect multiple times.
>>48234038
Yeah, it's handy. It also helps for doing the bullet points list for modal spells.
>>48234093
It permanently locks down a creature, it doesn't need multiple uses.
>>48233867
Just noticed this, the backside needs to specify "controller's" next untap step.
>>48234130
Ah, I read it as 'next untap step' rather than just tapping something down forever.
As it stands though, it's either effectively deathtouch, which is dumb, or it's supposed to be next, in which case the only thing it's locking down is things with 1 power and 2+ toughness that are attacking. It can't even stall a bear.
>>48234150
Fixed.
>>48234093
Good point.
>>48234115
Thanks, I'll test it at common as a 1/3 and upgrade if it's too good.
>>48234242
It should be next untap step. Bad type on my part.
>>48234259
Other anons pointed out that the creature side of Frigid makes the creature stay tapped forever. Just add "next" to it.
>>48234326
Oh cool, it's a reversed version of Quillspike.
>>48234326
Well helloooooo
>>48234406
That is totally the wrong art for this.
Rolled 78 (1d123)
>>48218958
rollan for posterior
Quick, make a trash common
I bet you haven't made one in a long long time
>>48235173
I've never done this before, so be brutal. These cards will fit into a set with a universal "-1/-1 counters matter" theme with minor subthemes that I haven't thought up yet and an artifact thing that involves artifacts (creature and noncreature) splitting into tokens when they die. So basically, are these really bad/good in a vaccuum? Do they seem like a cycle (even loosely connected)? Do they break the color pie or do anything absolutely stupid? I know about the wordiness and I'll try to avoid it in the future.
>>48235742
Mourning Scarab and Tidepool Tender look ok.
Infectious Mold is too small to get much out of its effect.
Shifting Blaze looks out of place in the cycle as it doesn't interact with counters.
Arboreal Weaver is infinite mana unless I'm missing something.
>>48235812
Oh shit. I forgot to limit the weaver.
>>48235742
For the first, White doesn't typically get effects that care about creatures dying, though that can vary on the set. Insects aren't a White tribe, but that's more minor. As for power, it seems okay. It can tap down multiple things if you have a way to keep counters on it, and 3/3 is okay for 3 in white.
Lizards don't show up often in Blue if I recall, though this is rather solid. 2/3 for 3 is fine in blue, and drawing an extra card every couple turns is rather neat.
3/4 is strong for 3 in black, though starting with counters counteracts that a lot. It'll be really tricky to get it started though, as being a 1/2 means it'll only be able to take on things with 1 power.
4/3 with haste is very nice, even with the -1/-1 for attacking. That's still a 3/2 with haste, and prowess is a nice boost on top of that. This doesn't play into the -1/-1 counter theme at all though.
3/4 for 3 is strong in green, and I think you've set up those abilities wrong. The first puts a counter, taps a land, and adds G. The second removes the counter, and untaps the land. You can do this any number of times.
Overall, I'd say Tidepool Tender is the best of the lot.
>>48235812
>>48235863
These look better? I meant for weaver to be a mana battery using -1/-1 counters. Still not sure about the blaze, though.
>>48235900
I'd leave infectious mold at 3 power.
>>48235933
Alright. I may also tone the blaze down to 4/4 and put the weaver at 3/3. Does that sound good?
>>48235900
Shifting Blaze seems rather strong, although I think it would actually end up being okay. I think the biggest worry is prowess. Maybe lower it to 5/3 so you'll only get a couple swings off without boosting it in some way.
Infectious mold didn't need extra power. The biggest thing was extra toughness. 3/5 would suit it fine
Arboreal weaver could easily be 3/3, and the new setup works a bit better. It does allow for a quick burst of mana, although oddly enough I'd say that 2/4 might work better to allow for 3 counters total rather than 2.
How about this thing? The "Shard x" keyword just means that it creates x 1/1 crystal tokens when it dies. It'll be found on artifacts and artifact creatures to give them some extra value.
>>48236063
Thanks for your input. The weaver's now a 2/4, but I'm keeping the blaze as is for now, though it'll probably change in the future.
>>48236145
I think you could just say three Crystals rather than saying the toughness. The toughness is gonna be 3 in the grave anyway, so unless you're gonna have some weird way to modify it, it might save you some room.
>>48236186
I was under the impression that anthem effects also modified values in the graveyard. Am I wrong there? I changed it anyways but I want to make sure.
>>48236218
No, I'm pretty sure that stuff like that only applies to things on the battlefield. Either way, it'd be a bit annoying if your random +1/+1 to all crystals effect meant that the Mass took more crystals to reassemble.
>>48236218
>Am I wrong there?
You are so far beyond wrong it's fucking hilarious. Now I want to see a silver-bordered card that reads "Creature cards in your graveyard get +1/+1."
>>48236263
Why would that need to be silver bordered?
>>48236263
I was actually hoping they'd print something like that in RTR block for scavenge.
>>48236263
I think I was mixing it up with instances in which the card's toughness is derived in the card text from some factor (like goyf). Oh well.
>>48236336
Those are called Characteristic Defining Abilities, or CDAs. And yes, they do work in all zones, although they sometimes read odd values in non-battlefield zones due to their interaction with another ability, like Nyxathid.
>>48236461
Nyxathid's ability doesn't work when it's not on the battlefield. In any other zone, it's always going to be a 7/7. Just like how Death's Shadow is a 13/13 when it's not on the battlefield.
>>48222636
>>48223272
>>48223726
Revised.
The design for the card became rather fluid once the flavor started to kick in. Initially I just wanted an enchant land card that turned into a creature. Could activate very quickly with some creative sac lands, but not sure if that balances out with it flipping back and forth.
