obliteraters are overrated edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
>FAQ’s and Errata (outdated but official)
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
> The Black Library(Stay the fuck away from the clowns)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb
> Space 0Din's glorious work
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20[Space%20Odin](2016).pdf?dl=0
How are basilisks and predator tanks?
>>48167498
Basilisks are alright, would be better if you play on larger tables than 6'x4'
Predators do their jobs, I don't like their low side and rear armor personally, but their weapons are solid, and frontal armor good for the cost
>>48167189
draigo might, purely on 2+ invulns and 4 wounds to soak shit on, if we're talking striaght 1v1. force is useless but titansword lets him strike with S9 AP2 at init (assuming sanctuary and hammerhand are in effect, which they likely are)
being decent in challenges like that is about all draigo has got left for him besides being a taxi service, which librarians do for cheaper.
>>48167262
Man, you really are dumb.
>>48167488
You should add this to it anon. It was the same anon, I believe.
>>48167498
I personally love Earthshaker Cannon emplacements over Basilisks. Predator Tanks are neat. Blood Angels get speshul anti-infantry ones as well. Plus SONIC FAST.
>>48167488
Oh shit I forgot about 'I aint covering shit', 'Im 7" flaccid' guy. He was spinning gold that thread, there were a few more hilarious quotes but I forget them.
>>48167541
looking deeper into the math: draigo hits on 3s thanks to higher ws, can reroll one failed attack. strength 9 means 2s to wound even on t5, then scorcia needs 3s to save and still gets FNP unless force is active (assuming not since draigo reaches maximum powers he can manifest at 2) result is draigo has about a 16% chance to wound. loss of FnP only changes it to 18.5%
scorcia hits back with 3 attacks, assuming maximum results of 3 from each hit on 4s, he still only has a 13% chance to wound, and draigo will likely win the exchange over time purely on the superior invuln, but since both have excellent saves and eternal warrior it will take a long time to resolve.
>>48167677
Wait, was that thread in /tg/? What the hell. What was even the subject of that discussion hahaha.
You know who beats Scoria? Jain Zar, removes his weapon with disarming strike and then just buttfucks the nerd.
>>48167498
they both suffer from being old units, meaning that better options exist. Things like the Wyvern will do you more good than a Basilisk, and predators need to go to forgeworld to get good loadouts on them, and even then a spartan tank is better.
>but predators are cheap
so are leman russ
>>48167700
Scorcia hits 3 times, 1,5 of these will hit. Then they multiple, on average 2 per hit so 3. Draigo has 3++ so he will eat 1 wound per round of combat.
Every other round scorcia has 33% and ~91% chance to get wounds back.
I think there might be something wrong with your math.
>>48167700
>3 attacks
Give him the xanathite abeyant. Literally no one runs him without it. Also, don't forget the additional attacks from his machinator array.
>>48167792
Ah yeah I forgot about those, too.
Yeah scorcia wins. No doubt about that.
I know it is a hard fight against Necrons with SoB.
So I'm tailoring something to counter the Wraith Spam, the objective is not to win but humiliate the cheese player.
Why Salamanders because honestly I had no idea, Feel no Pain sounded good.
The general Plan is to saturate the table with targets and force the Necrons to save a lot.
Repentians wait then hope inside the crusader with Jacob and the Librarian.
+++ Fuck Necrons (1500pts) +++
++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1045pts) ++
+ HQ (100pts) +
Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (100pts)
+ Elites (155pts) +
Repentia Squad (155pts) [Mistress of Repentance, 9x Sister Repentia]
+ Troops (310pts) +
Battle Sister Squad (155pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer, Battle Sister with Meltagun]
··Immolator [Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer]
Battle Sister Squad (155pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer, Battle Sister with Meltagun]
··Immolator [Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer]
+ Heavy Support (480pts) +
Penitent Engine Squadron (160pts) [Penitent Engine, Penitent Engine]
Penitent Engine Squadron (160pts) [Penitent Engine, Penitent Engine]
Penitent Engine Squadron (160pts) [Penitent Engine, Penitent Engine]
++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Allied Detachment) (455pts) ++
+ (No Category) +
Chapter Tactics [Salamanders]
+ HQ (90pts) +
Librarian (90pts) [Mastery Level 2]
··Power Armour [Bolt Pistol, Force Sword]
+ Troops (105pts) +
Tactical Squad (105pts) [Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, 4x Space Marines]
··Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
+ Heavy Support (260pts) +
Land Raider Crusader (260pts) [Multi-melta]
So, i almost finished my army, and soon i will be stuck with nothing to paint/build
i was wondering how difficult are the Ork boyz to customize in therms of pose? I want to use them for a silly diorama of mine.
>>48167745
It was a few weeks ago. Someone mentioned bringing their little girl into a public mens room when there wasnt a female parent/sibling present.
Then this guy starts losing his shit over it. Making dozens of posts, including the claim that (sic) 'guys walk around the mens room with their dicks out all the time' - which was obviously met with laughs, confusion, accusations of trolling, etc. But this guy was adamant about defending the accuracy of this statement, and several other idiotic claims. He derailed the thread and sent it to auto-sage prematurely, but it was solid gold /tg/.
>>48167777
I was doing math with sanctuary activated, but double checking the entry I forgot it wasn't one of his fixed powers, since its been about 6 months since I last ran him with my GK list (he just isn't worth it)
so you are correct. if we account for external buffs both draigo and smash with some librarian assistance would feed scorcia his axe.
>>48167700
You forgot that scorcia gets 4 attacks and it will not die, in addition to two more strikes at str 8, ap2, shred, armourbane at i1 and has a second source of healing from his ld. Which since is 10, will pass almost every turn.
>>48167761
I'll put Kurze or Mortarion up vs. Scoria anytime.
What's the netlist for a War Convocation (aware that this too is basically a netlist)?
>>48167845
My dad used to do this when I was a kid and I never saw any dicks
>>48167864
He beats every primarch except Horus statistically.
It takes them six round for a mutual kill.
>>48167761
Jain zar beats ever combat monster that lacks a second ap2 weapon and smash.
>>48167761
Eh, maybe not. Jain disarms him but has trouble wounding him on 5s with rerolls then Scoria pistol whips her back. It'll take a few turns but Jain suffers against tough foes
>>48167894
Oh hey Kurzefag. Yeah, in my long lifetime, I have never seen anyone walking around a public restroom with their dick out. I did once see an old man washing his dick in the sink of a Costco mens room though.
>>48167677
>>48167745
>>48167845
See >>48167610 there are several more posts of his. It's not nice.
>>48167761
Wait, why is he good again? I can't remember his rules. Jain Zar's ability just makes me think of the old WoW skill for Rogues which was Riposte, meaning you removed the guys weapon. Was good fun doing it on big guys.
>>48167761
>>48167912
Good thing Scoria still has a machinator array to nuke her with.
It's not like the elf is going to wound him anyway.
>>48167761
Can't do enough damage fast enough to kill him. Also, he has a second melee weapon.
>>48167968
>PvP Rogue
That's the WoW equivalent of a suit spamming Taufag.
>>48167864
>>48167953
IT'S SPELLED CURZE YOU SHITS
HOW DO YOU GET IT WRONG MY NAME IS RIGHT THERE
![c217f4e17a85fc7fd279342a34180aea[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gJBgeFI.jpg "c217f4e17a85fc7fd279342a34180aea[1].jpg")
Does anyone know any badass sword wielding minis that are similar in size to Centurions ? I'm considering them over Honour Guard to accompany an Emperor's Champion and the only reason not to take them is that I hate how the model looks.
>>48167993
Conrad Kurze you mean.
>>48167992
I last played WoW in 2007 or so anon. I PvE'd as a Warlock (I bought from a friend, it probably got hacked) and used my Rogue as PvP. I had all classes at Lv.60+ on like 3 different accounts. I had a twink Shaman which was so OP people would disconnect if I went into battle. I also managed to get the 15k Battle Standard with my twink warrior (which turns out was shit compared to my GOAT shaman).
Anyway, that's /v/.
>>48167995
Don't Warmahordes have some similar stuff?
>>48167976
>>48167912
Why is he so good? Help me, my brain can't remember his stats...
>>48168075
>>48168025
You're trying to troll me aren't you
>>48168075
>Why is he so good? Help me, my brain can't remember his stats...
His stats are decent, pretty much fives across the board except toughness being six.
He also has pretty much every toughness related special rule. Eternal warrior, feel no pain, the works.
His entropic destroyer melee is where it's at. It does d3 auto wounds for each hit. No rolling strength against toughness. These wounds ignore armor and feel no pain, and it will not dies cannot be taken against wounds cause by this weapon. Plus his machinator array giving 2 extra attacks at S:8 shred AP2, he is a rape machine of character killing goodness.
>>48168119
>3++
New player here, what does the ++ mean?
Are FW Knights valid in an Oathsworn Detachment?
>>48168119
So, do you put him in a Xanathite Abeyant? So he's difficult because he cannot be instant killed, he's 2+/3++/5+++ with 5 wounds and I assume Vodian Sceptre does something sexy? Also, does he get +1A due to Machinator Array and Pistol if he uses the Array's melee profile in combat? If so would give him 5A.
>>48168205
3++ means 3 up invulnerable save.
Don't take that battlescribe pic at face value though, there are a ton of bonuses from the wargear he has that aren't being factored in.
>>48168075
>Don't Warmahordes have some similar stuff?
You mean Warjacks ? I don't find them very appealing plus I'm looking for something more like a heavy armored Marine (say a bigger terminator) and less like a mech - sorry for not being more specific.
Now I wonder - could Cataphractii pass for Centurion-alternatives ?
>>48168205
invuln save. It's not negated by AP.
>>48168205
+ = Armour
++ = Invulnerable
+++ = Cover
++++ = Feel No Pain.
The last 2 aren't always used though by everybody.
>>48168217
Scepter is melee weapon that autowounds, does d3 wounds per hit, ignores armour saves, fnp, IWND and other wound-saving mechanics other than invul saves.
>>48168159
He has T6? Do you put him in the Abeyant? If you did that's W5.
As for the Machinator Array, how does it give him 2 extra attacks at S8 AP2? He's S5, with +1 from the array it becomes S6. Don't you have to use all the melee attacks on his Vodian Sceptre?
>>48168228
>>48168235
>>48168237
I got confused because they use both invuln save and the ++ in the same sentence, implying the ++ did something special. Thank you for clarifying.
>>48168237
Nobody uses four pluses for FnP, like ever. Three pluses is sometimes used to describe FnP or cover. Usually cover is just called "X+ cover" or "X++ cover" and FnP is usually just "FnP" or if not a 5+ then "X+ FnP'.
Fine me one online publishment such as an article or tournament battle report that uses a ++++ save, from any year.
>>48168207
yes, currently
>>48167995
use the sigmarines with the giant 2h swords. they're nearly centurion size and would look pretty good as a close assault replacement.
>>48168268
The machinator array has a ton of bullshit on it. It gives him +1 toughness and a it gives him a techpriest servo array attack. In addition to his normal attacks.
That's what does the 2 S:8 attacks.
>>48168328
>yes, currently
Rad, I want to grab a Lancer
I have two questions about the Endless Grimoire.
First off, I just checked in the Daemon codex and it says that Daemons can only generate half rounded up on their respective Chaos god's table. Does this mean I'd have to use a Mastery Level 1 Herald of Tzeentch as my Warlord to utilize this or did I miss something?
Second, the way it's worded, does it necessarily mean you have to make the Herald of Tzeentch your Warlord? (Example: I make my Warlord a Tzeentch Daemon Prince but I give the Endless Grimoire to a Herald of Tzeentch. Does my Prince get all of the Change powers?)
>>48168435
It just says that if your warlord has this item and only generates his powers from Discipline of Change, he knows all of the powers on the table. So, the two requirements are Warlord and Psyker who generates on Discipline of change only.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/blog/blog.jsp
Horurs heresy kits are going to hit the shelves, at last.
your impressions, tg?
>>48168503
Plastic or resin?
>>48167993
Yeah for some reason I get that mixed up.
>Konrad Curze
>Conrad Kurze
>>48168503
boredom, i don't play marines
>>48168485
>has this item
It doesn't say this
>only generates his powers from Discipline of Change, he knows all of the powers on the table
Does say this.
>>48168543
Plastic. The models shown are from Betrayal at Calath. GW will continue to only produce Plastic models and is slowly moving away from finecast.
Forgeworld however will be sticking with their resin mixture.
>>48168543
plastic. Basically, they are the marines in betrayal at calth,
>>48168556
neither do i. It could be worse. You could play Tau with suit spam.
Hey there /tg/. My friend is bugging me to run an imperial knights RP because... Actually I don't really know why, he doesn't even play them.
Either way, I've never actually run one of the 40k RPGs before. Would it be possible to run an imperial knight campaign with one, and if so which one?
>>48168592
Where is this listed under? I have a hard time believing this isnt a relic that you can purchase. Also, what's the point of buying a separate model an item that someone else can use.
>>48168620
>Also, what's the point of buying a separate model an item that someone else can use.
That's not the point. I think it's silly, but by RAW, that's valid.
I dunno though. I didn't post the initial query. Maybe the asker has left off something in his cap.
>>48168595
>>48168601
>Plastic
This is mildly adequate.
>>48168547
Isn't there some online dyslexia test you can take somewhere?
>>48168617
Yes, there is a way to run an imperial knight RP with the 40k rpg system. If you would like more information, check out the thread here >>48168691
>>48168503
But will the prices be as good as Betrayal at Calth?
>>48168665
Probably more that Conrad and curse are both meant to be spelled with a C, so it's hard to remember which is the edgy one with the K.
>>48168701
Thank you very much.
>>48168709
Of course not, buying B@C is $100 cheaper.
>>48168617
go check the 40krpg thread, look for the "The Fringe is Yours" fan-created supplement, it includes rules for both use of knights and cybernetica. it has been playtested and is of good quality. (all of shas' books are decent, new one coming sometime this year with rules for deathwatch adapted to the great crusade apparently)
>>48168413
if you check the readily available PDFs on the forgeworld site it tells you how they can be used.
>oathsworn is fine, as is use as LoW in other lists, but for household detachments you can't have more lancers than other knight types
>>48168709
No idea.
But probably will follow the trend of other boxed sets and cost more but with a lot more bits to build them with different weapon and details.
quoting from NZ blog:
>This week White Dwarf revisits the Horus Heresy Space Marines from Betrayal at Calth, now available as individual kits. They show them in a variety of different colours, Night Lords and Imperial Fists among them.
>>48168237
>+++ = Cover
>++++ = Feel No Pain
No
>>48168237
I'm pretty sure that people just say +(#) cover and that +++ is fnp
>Purity seals are awarded before battle by Chaplains.
>You now realize a Chaplain with purity seals is honoring himself.
>>48167995
puppets war has some similar stuff under the federation tab
>>48168757
>Night Lords
>>48168665
Hi Curzefag. What do you think of my 1st claw Kill Team so far; who else would you include? Also, do you happen to have any ideas on where to look for models I can use to build Septimus and Octavia?
>>48168908
It could have been awarded by the head chaplain. The head chaplain with purity seals would be weird though. Maybe really old ones or from before he was promoted.
Even if you're a high rank, you would still have your subordinates put on your armor and shit. I can see a chapter master or head chaplain being given purity seals by lower ranked chaplains as a pre-battle ritual.
>>48168753
Thanks, looking at it now.
>>48168709
No. Not at all.
Like, $65 just for the Contemptor.
>>48168709
>>48168757
You dumb niggers the prices were already released in photos of WD days ago.
>>48168948
Disgusting
I got a weird boy with the power Da Jump. It allows him and his unit to "teleport" aka deepstriking anywhere on the table if it is successfully cast.
Let's say the weird boy is in a battlewagon with a mob of boys and he successful cast it.
Does a) the weird boy and boys deepstriking
B) the weird boy boys and battlewagon deepstriking
OR c) none because I can't because I don't know the rules
>>48168993
How come
>>48168948
what's the bolter/heavy bolter weapon from?
>>48169048
BaC
>>48169024
Can't you only cast witchfires from inside a vehicle?
>>48169024
If it was a dedicated transport for that model and he was part of the squad, then yes, it is able to teleport.
>>48169024
C, you don't know the rules
you can only do witchfires in transports
>>48168908
There was art around the time 4th edition of Chapter serfs running around in the middle of a battle affixing purity seals to random marines.
>>48169036
Because I touch myself at night.
Also, Cruze isn't even that great. I think I actually like 7" flaccid anon more.
>>48168948
Not bad
>>48168993
Fuck off, fake Curzefag
>>48169024
>>48167888
At most point levels, the War Convocation itself is pretty much the entire list. Dante's Used Empodium used to be the go-to addition, but now it's probably just bulking out the Skitarii and adding a Librarius Conclave.
>>48168948
Needs moar paint.
>>48169123
Oh, shit. That was me who I replied to myself with. Maybe if I followed some instructions to be more sure of myself that I am the real me.... What was it again....A secure tripcode can be generated by placing two hash marks in the [Name] field, as opposed to one as with a normal tripcode (ex. "User##password"). Secure tripcodes use a secret key file on the server to help obscure their password. The previous example would display "User !!rEkSWzi2+mz" after being posted.
>>48168665
>If you don't properly spell the names of namefag shitposters then you have dyslexia
lel
>>48169239
Yeah that pic is from last week. Been cleaning them up and finishing the bases this week while I wrapped up some Plague Drones. Gonna build two more guys then prime them saturday night. I'll start painting Sunday unless something else is going on.
>>48167980
Three weapons, he has a pistol.
>>48169258
i think it's time you take a break from the internet, go outside and do something productive today
>>48168435
Strict RaW, you're totally correct. The Grimoire can literally only be used by some character to grant a Level 1 Warlord Tzeentch Herald all of the Tzeentch spells. Which does some wonky things, like enable you to pair Paradox with knowing every Tzeentch power, but you're limited to only casting one of them per turn.
A more reasonable, RaI interpretation would be that the "only up to half" clause is no longer applicable since it's no longer a D3 table and that it makes that artifact next to worthless. It's also likely that the Grimoire is intended to grant the bearer the spells and not the warlord, as the fluff bit states that it's the bearer that gains the knowledge.
>>48168908
source?
Movie has them being applied by servitors.
>>48167835
Run battle conclaves with priests and use celestine for AoE war hymns buff. The only thing better than a 3++ invuln is a rerollable 3++ invuln
Hey /tg/! Just picked up Betrayal at Calth, only problem is I'm not sure which Legion to paint it as. So which Loyalist Legion is best/coolest/ most worthy of painting? White Scars are a the only no, I can't paint White well.
>>48169340
Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors are my favorite.
Are you interested in playing 30k?
How often do you think the Imperium finds worlds with Titan sized wildlife? I want to make a world with the love child of a spider and a T-Rex the size of a Warlord.
>>48169340
Paint the one you like the most.
So, after playing some Dawn of War today I realized my deep desire for Steel Rehn. Basic tactics and whatnot? Is it as easy as loading the correct units into drop pods (some of which are empty so as to get everything on table turn 1), dropping them where needed and hoping for the best? Or is there something I'm missing?
>>48169355
Doing 30k is the only reason I ask. I play Blood Ravens in 40k, but I wasn't going to paint it as them so I could play 30k games.
>>48167993
Comrade Curse?
>>48169362
>love child of a spider and a T-Rex
...i wanna know, but i also don't wanna know. it's not likely since creatures that size have to exist in water, in an environment that is harmful to human life, daemonic, or something else
>>48169408
Just paint them as Thousand Sons and use them as founding Blood Ravens. Or paint them as Blood Ravens and just use them as Thousand Sons.
>>48169363
I really like all the color schemes, the question is really more about in the fluff which one is the coolest (not the "best" spiritual lieges tho)
>>48169340
DA? Just paint them black with some red.
>>48169405
>that halo and crozius
Chaos still doesn't have drop pods.
>>48169450
I've never played CSM and don't know much (anything) about 30k, so what special things do Thousand Sons do? Love the color scheme for them, by the way.
>>48169496
>originaljoke.jpg
>>48169473
Isn't DA Dark Angels? And aren't they green?
>>48168435
Your worries about needing to be mastery 1 and many generating only half of the powers from Change can easily be negated if you use the Warzone Fenris psychic powers instead of the regular Daemon codex ones (there are 6 powers in Fenris as opposed to 3 in Daemons).
>>48169521
>aren't they green
Not in M31 they weren't.
>>48169307
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Purity_seal
>the movie
I hope you're not referring to Ultramarine.
>>48169540
Yeah, and the Fenris psychic powers are much better. They have a deck too.
>>48169507
They have a shitload of psykers. In 40k they've been dicked over by Tzeentch and all of the non-psykers in their army were turned into ghosts that are trapped inside of their armor.
>>48169521
My mistake.
Does anyone know if as IG can you replace the sergeant of a veteran squad with sergeant Harker and then add a heavy weapons team to the squad effectively giving the squad to heavy weapons and relentless?
I am not sure if this is a good idea or not, I just wanted to know if it is possible.
>>48169566
I know the 40k side, and they're pretty cool their, but do they have any special 30k rules, or still the slow and purposeful from 40k?
>>48169605
Thousands sons and Space Wolves are still waiting on their 30k rules.
We won't see those for a few months.
>>48169605
Their 30k Legion rules haven't been released yet. I think the Burning of Prospero is set to come out sometime in the early fall (?) where they will get their 30k rules.
>>48169603
relentless isn't a shared USR like slow/purposeful
>>48169024
C. You can only cast witchfire powers while embarked in a vehicle.
>>48169340
Mate, ask the essential questions to yourself.
Which legion do YOU think is the coolest?
Which legion do you think has the best color scheme?
Which legion do you think has the best lore?
Keep in mind that you might not end up playig loyalists once you answer these questions.
>>48169633
oh damn I thought it was shared, sorry for my retardation
>>48169602
That's a cool color scheme, and I already have a small 40k army from Dark Vengeance.
>>48169566
I really like both, I'll split it half between Dark Angels and Thousand sons, that way I have stuff for 30k and 40k for both. Thanks a million anons.
>>48169540
RaW there's nothing releasing the Fenris powers from the limitation to only generate up to half from the God disciplines.
>>48169669
Shoot man, you should just answer the questions >>48169652 asked, as then you'll find your answers. Remember that unlike 40k, both Loyalists and Traitors have access to the same gear, excluding their respective LA rules and special units.
Though, if you're dead set on DA then you can play them in 40k as Consecrators, since they have the same color scheme as 30k DA, I guess.
>>48169274
If you intentionally misspell lol you are a shitposter.
>>48169548
From the 5th ed codex:
>Purity Seal
>The Purity Seal is not so much an honour as a blessing. Before a campaign the Chapter's Chaplains pass through the ranks chanting litanies and invocations. Honoured individuals are marked by the Chaplains for special blessings recorded on the parchment streamers and affixed to their armour with the great wax seal
It says nothing about who actually attaches them, only that the chaplains are the ones who write on the streamer, assuming template ones don't exist.
>lexicanum cites the IG codex, Grey Knights material, and FFG productions
>>48169429
Why don't you want to know and do want to know?
> it's not likely since creatures that size have to exist in water, in an environment that is harmful to human life, daemonic, or something else
That's so unfair. Well what if it's semi-Aquatic?
>>48169217
I see.
I'm not really sure what to put in it (outside of the requisites).
How do Kastelans fare as part of it?
Is a War Convocation better than the Cohort Mechanicus? I'd assume so for all the free shit.
>>48169663
do a morale check and all is forgiven
>>48169815
because it sounds like a nightmare. as for giant insects or spiders their bodies can't support that size, a spider the size of a human would suffocate. the ones we have in the fossil record are only possible due to high concentrations of oxygen. if they were sea monsters on the hand then the water could support their weight or biology easier.
made this for scratching my itch for "gotta go fast" while avoiding any use of the D, sole exception is a lynx at 2250+
no scatter lasers anywhere in list,
currenltly have one prism and windrider host, and 15 shadow spectres + Irillyth
guiding principles of the list design are "no wraiths, nothing that doesn't move 12" or more"
recommendations for things to adjust? I know its not going to be easy for some lists to take, but efforts have been made so far to make it fun to play without being impossible to play against.
>>48169865
>because it sounds like a nightmare
>take T-Rex head and add more spidery bits to it
>take Spider bottom and connect it to T-Rex torso
>make to give it the dancing leg
Done.
>as for giant insects or spiders their bodies can't support that size, a spider the size of a human would suffocate. the ones we have in the fossil record are only possible due to high concentrations of oxygen.
What if the planet had a ludicrously high oxygen concentration?
> if they were sea monsters on the hand then the water could support their weight or biology easier.
So just go with underwater spider T-Rex Godzilla?
>>48169988
double dubs confirms this is horrifying... i'm half tempted to break out photoshop
>>48170051
Please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8zlUUrFK-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEsOok-mJZg
What are your guy's experiences using and being on the receiving end of a manticore?
>>48170136
Forgot my picture. The High Priest demands it.
Sorta off-topic, but is DesuStorage down for anybody else?
>>48170162
I own 2, every single guard list I make has at least 1. they are disgustingly good, with or without IA1 alternate missiles, and cheese good with the artillery formation
>>48170322
Last time I checked yes.
>>48170162
I have 1 and it performs overwhelmingly good when prescienced through a Psyker.
>>48169711
Is this something worth FAQing?
>>48170419
Seeing how questions like "Are Tau Plasma weapons considered to be plasma" and "Can I use an hq from a different codex as my hq in my primary scion cad" have been on the faqs.... yes...
>>48170482
Why don't people read?
>>48170482
Yikes, I didn't even see that one. I went ahead and sent the one about Daemon Psykers in so we'll see what they say.
>>48170710
>>48170511
>>48170802
>his security team if you will.
>>48170802
Jesus what kind of Mong was so retarded he had to ask this
>>48170802
>>48170802
Bring on the rest of the dumb questions.
>>48170839
>>48170965
Oh, find the one that asks if it's possible to scout fortifications next.
>>48170839
This board is filled with these types of people. Then when you tell them to read the rulebook instead of being a faglord they start arguing with you and calling you an autist.
>>48170994
No way somebody did that. There's just no way someone can be that dumb, even if they're trying douchebag RaW stuff
More coupons, signed up for hobby lobby news letter, anyone else i should monitor for coupons
>>48169646
>>48169657
>>48170994
Please no. I think I'll just continue to goof around in DF and see what can kill my undead giant elephant with some iron armor on. So far a giant elk/hyena/leach/mandrill/moose/Mountian goat can't slay my champion.
>>48171069
Pretty sure that coupon is available each week to everyone. Same with the hobby lobby coupon. Good coupon though, shame I don't need any paint brushes.
>>48170802
I'm convinced no one bothered to ask questions about the spec ops so they made up a dumb question.
>>48170838
>While you were outdoors, having fun with friends, I was at home [redtext]masturbating to anime.[/redtext]
>>48171095
One giant octopus, ostrich, and polar bear later my undying champion is still king. The polar bear put up a fight far better. Should I test the giant sponge out?
>>48171162
Never mind. The sponge got one shoted.
>>48170802
I don't know my way around either of these armies, what the hell is this guy asking exactly?
>>48171147
>Now that you've developed disgusting fetishes that sicken your girlfriend you have the audacity to come to me for porn?
>>48170994
>>48170965
Switched from my computer to my phone. Here is the combined pdf.
>>48171222
He's asking if you can take a named character HQ from one army in the other.
>>48171222
The fact that they're two different armies are all you need to fucking know.
>>48167427
Alright /40kg/ you can replace the tau army with any of the other existing 40k factions that doesn't have an army, wich one would you chose?
>>48171346
Just embrace the Tau overlords already impericuck
>>48171346
What other somewhat important factions are there that don't have armies?
>>48167770
>and even then a spartan tank is better.
do you mean Sicaran? a spartan is like a super-sized land raider, I wouldn't really compare it to a predator. Sicaran is the FW tank that's what all main tanks should aspire to be
>>48171401
Sorry but a future where a bunch of weebs bringing down Mecha Shas'Obama on the Galaxy isn't a future I welcome.
>>48171346
dark mechanicus, because chaos needs something good.
alternately, Codex: deathworld fauna. purely monsters and gribblies for campaigns/lower points games. model range possibilities are pretty much whatever you can think of, because there are thousands of planets that want to kill you.
>>48171346
Rouge Traders.
>>48171346
Ah shoot, I can't remember their name but they're brought up on here every so often, it's that one race that has a crude mahinery look going on and they bind themselves to their tech or something like that.
>>48171428
The remaining slab clans that inhabit several planets across the galaxy(aka lizardmen with lasers), the hyper violent bargeshi(purple giants with cloning technology), the hrud, the shape shifting vampires (I don't recall the name), the squads, the enslavers and other races.
>>48171346
Old Ones. With Psyker levels over 9000 and infinite hp. Can only be killed by Necrons, Tau, and Culexus.
>>48171428
Exodites, Arbites, Adeptus Administratum, Imperial Navy, Hive Gangs, a couple Assassin Orders.
>>48171428
Traitor Guard, I suppose. Taking guard as allies with CSM really isn't the same thing when you've got no way to get Heretek gear into their ranks, nor other tech heresy modifications to vehicles.
That, and what happens to Guard psykers who join their regiment falling to chaos?
>>48171520
>slab
I meant slann
>>48171346
Rak'gol. Might be adding too many pirate factions at this point but it's still better than Tau who add nothing of value to the setting other than anime mecha aesthetics and OP giant robot cash grabs.
>>48171537
That's already a fucking army you dipshit.
>>48171553
>replacing a GW faction by promoting a FW faction
Not the same thing.
>>48171346
Dark Mechanicum or Traitor Guard. Then again, I'd be okay with just removing Tau period. Grimdark is no place for weeaboos
>>48171525
So, no armies at all.
>>48171511
The joakero?
>>48171346
Combine Tau.
>>48171587
>he didn't play in the golden age of 3rd ed with Arbites
loser
>>48171128
seems like most all the coupons i post are fully open to anyone on the mailing list, but this way its there for anyone including those not on the mailing list, or those who the email goes straight to their spam and they never see it
>>48171346
I think the Imperium needs to collapse already and be divided into many Imperial worlds.
>>48171346
Punished Tau: A Fallen Empire
Remove the mechs, make the other species prominent. That's what made them special: they're the only faction not genocidal, and GW got their gundam lust going too hard and destroyed that.
>>48170802
That gave me a sensible chuckle.
>>48171587
Imperial Navy is pretty important.
>>48171607
that's a good point, i guess i've been working in retail so long that i instinctively look for coupons online
>>48171569
>>48171586
>hur dur traitor guard don't have an army
I guess Eldar Corsairs don't have an army either.
>>48171525
No more Imperium crap, please.
>>48171650
I doubt people would appreciate a flyer only army.
How long before the Sisters get squatted?
>>48171664
Why are you taking disagreeing statements as a personal attack on your being?
>>48170994
I remember this happening in battle reports and some vague commotion over it.
>>48171346
>Tau replaced with dark mechanicus
It would be glorious...
>>48170994
Could Pathfinders do it with the Tidewall?
>>48171032
Not only did people do it, but they did it in several ITC tournaments before it got addressed in the ITC FAQ. Basically, fortifications are taken as part of the detachment, and the Skitarii detachment gives everything in the detachment scout. He takes the one with the automated fire cannons and used the detachment bonus to scout them forward.
RAW it does actually make sense in a perverted kind of way, and it's it's a Mechanicus thing you could come up with some kind of lore explanation like a shifting forge world surface or pre-fab fortifications that can be forward deployed before battle.
>>48171346
Pelagers and felinids
>>48171346
Felinids
>>48171346
One that gives GW the same of money.
>>48171695
they're not gonna get squatted, not even a sister's fag
>>48171731
Technically, yes, since the tidewall can move. But GW put an end to it after people were trying to Scout Fortresses of Redeption and the Well-Endowed Eagle of Disapproval.
>>48171346
Adeptus Titanicus: Plastic GW titans.
>>48171664
Well, Traitor Guard still doesn't have an army, so....
>>48171703
Because you're too fucking stupid to realize how retarded you are for answering the question "what army should we add that doesn't have an army" with "HERE, THIS THING THAT'S ALREADY AN ARMY"
>>48167427
So whats the consensus on the Terminator captian with Cataphractii terminator armour taking a bike?
I tried talking about it at the LFGS and they were like dude cmon no
but the rules are so specifically mis-written if it was just supposed to act as termniator armour for all pusposes
plz whats the call?
cause I see it as yes, he can take the cataphractii armour and a bike/jump pack
>>48171703
Lol. Gee I wonder why >>48171770
Retards.
>>48171731
Scout only confers to dedicated transports.
>>48171782
>So whats the consensus on the Terminator captian with Cataphractii terminator armour taking a bike?
Dude.
C'mon.
No.
>>48171770
Neither does your brain.
>>48171757
I got u f@m
>>48171782
>he's asking this seriously
>>48167498
Use a predator executioner
>>48171782
>but the rules are so specifically mis-written
It wasn't done on purpose you fucking moron.
>>48171346
Add the aliens from Independence Day with their massive ships (bigger than Imperium's battleships) and give them one of the xenos empires in the background that only exist in name.
>>48171782
The Cataphractii rules don't even allow the model the rules were written for to be legal if you try to abuse the RAW.
>>48171796
>>48171825
Sorry I'm just saying RAW explicitly doesn't include restrictions to wargear
I mean honestly the chapter master is better in some respects
I expect it to get FAQ'ed out but like, why would they specifically leave it out in the rules?
why not just say its the same as terminator in all respects but it re rolls 1 for invulns?
they went out of their way to exclude wargear restrictions
>>48171782
CATAPHRACTII TERMINATOR ARMOUR
TERMINATOUR ARMOUR, SOMETHING THAT DOESNT ALLOW YOU TO TAKE A BIKE/JUMP PACK
IT HAS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS REGULAR TERMINATOR ARMOUR IN 30K, BUT YOU, YOU RULES LAWYERING MOTHERFUCKER, YOU DICKLESS LITTLE SHIT, ARE TRYING TO BREAK THE GAME BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY SUCK SO FUCKING MUCH AT THIS GAME THAT THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WIN IS BY NETLISTING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THE IDEA OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND RAI
SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FACE, THANKS
>>48171861
>why would they specifically leave it out in the rules?
Why do FW books have a lot of mistakes on them? Is it because they intentionally mean it, or could it be simply that they commit a lot of mistakes?
>Nobody cared what I could take until I conferred Shlow & Purposheful
>>48171833
Incopetence isn't an excuse
the words are the words
>>48171844
can you please rephrase that
I assume you're calling me an idiot but I can't understand what yo're saying
>>48171864
This nigga gets it.
>>48171864
dude relax, I'm just reading what they wrote
If it was meant to just be the same as terminator armour, why not just say that in the RAW?
wouldn't it be easier?
but why wouldn't they just say its the same?
>>48171915
It's kinda the same but slower.
But Slow & Purposeful gives pseudo-Relentless to the rest of the unit, as if he carried them upon his shoulders or whatever.
He could do so if he wanted to, however...
Also, mistakes are mistakes.
>>48171892
The rules that allow Cataphractii to take bikes also disallow it from taking the Cataphractii-specific wargear, thus rendering the original model impossible to field. This is a sure sign that the rules are not intended to allow it to take a bike. If you took this case to court, you'd be thrown out laughing. Assuming courts of law bothered with dumb game rules to begin with.
>>48171892
>the words are the words
Nowhere does the rulebook say I can't murder you or take a giant shit on your army.
>>48171915
Probably because they figured it should be clear that something called TERMINATOR ARMOR would follow the rules for normal Terminator armor. And it makes no fucking sense for a dude in a giant metal suit to be able to sit on a bike.
There's precedent for this, actually. In the FAQ, Tau "plasma rifles" do count as plasma weapons for the Ulumeathi Plasma Siphon even though they aren't listed in the BRB under Plasma weapons.
>>48171915
Are you fucking retarded? "If they didn't mean to make this typo why didn't they just not make this typo". That's what you're saying. This is one of the most fucking obvious cases where it's obvious what they wrote is wrong.
>>48171915
Just no dude. Cataphractii plate is heavier than standard Terminator suits, why would they let you just ignore the slow and purposeful vibe by letting you strap him to a bike or jump pack?
Remember always just because the rules allow it doesn't mean you should.
>>48171937
I understand mistakes are mistakes
and thats why I kinda asked what my FLGS thought
I'm not gonna really be that guy when the normal smashfucker is already gay enough
I'm just saying, RAW wise is it legal?
not, would you rage if someone tried to bring it
>>48171974
Doesn't matter how legal it is if it's due to an obvious typo and literally everyone you've met so far has told you they wouldn't allow it. That should tell you enough but apparently you're too retarded to figure that out.
>>48170839
>mfw the last few minutes of this thread
Gee I wonder.
>>48171946
why does it dissallow Cataphractii specific wargear?
honestly asking, not trying to be dick
are you saying since it says the captian can take terminator weapons, but also doesnt have to abide by terminator restrictions so RAW it could both take and not take terminator weapons etc?
I hope that makes sense
>>48172007
Here's an explanation for why bike-termie smashfucker isn't legal Rules As Written:
You need to INTERPRET the rules to allow it. If it was RAW legal, the rules would explicitly say "cataphract captain can take items from the list that has bikes." But it isn't explicit. You need to interpret it one way or the other.
On a scale of "Yes" to "Anon, you dumb shit" how well could a Space Marine/Assassin Independent Character army work?
How are Wulfen? Obviously they can bring the hurt, but despite having 2 wounds they look pretty fragile to me. Are they worth taking?
>>48171965
When they could have written "Cataphractii Terminator Armor counts as Terminator Armor for all purposes" and left it at that, but instead choose to append a phrase specifically calling out Formations and Transports, it makes sense that Wargear might have been intentionally excluded. Was it intentional? I couldn't say, and neither could you unless you work for GW. All we know is what's written. And it's pretty obvious from the Dreadnought FAQ/Errata that GW doesn't actually particularly care about RAW and certainly not about RAI, but instead favor GAP and player agreement.
>>48172060
they can take thunderhammer and shields, sure it's expensive but fuck man this unit can beat the fuck out of wraithknights easily
>>48172028
but
coulddn't you interpret it the other way?
isn't that the discussion?
again I'm perfectly cool/ like normal smashfucker better
but I'm just asking about the consenseus of the playing community
so far all I've heard is no
so I'm just trying to make completely sure,
I mean if someone was going to try and field it against me, I'd want o know the correct reasons why or why not it is or isn't allowed
I just would say, Its not explicitly written that he can't.
regardless of lore or intention
>>48172029
It wouldn't. Assassins are made of tissue paper.
>>48172007
If he qualifies to ride a bike, then he cannot buy the chainfist.
>>48172069
If you honestly believe this and aren't just playing devil's advocate you are legitimately retarded.
