Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
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The updated Modern Metagame is below.
The overall and paper Modern Metagame.
Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml
Modern deck primers link:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern
This baby is gonna make Esper T2. I can feel it.
hey /tg/, is there a halfway decent Spider-themed Modern deck?
>>48064920
Nope.
>>48064920
Never
The tribe would even be hard pressed on casual
![099[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZLfK60U.jpg "099[1].jpg")
I've seen this card floating around Mardu meme lists. It actually seems like it might be worth a try considering a lot of your deck is instant speed.
>>48064999
>>48065079
I suppose I should clarify, I'm not talking about pure tribe as I know the only three tribe decks that anyone plays are Goblins, Merfolk, and Elves and they can't be beaten, but I was curious if any decks make use of any cards like that spider-token creator one from Innistrad, or anything like that.
Ah well. it's probably just a fool's dream that I'll ever get any use out of these Swarmyards I own...
>>48065180
I think the only spider that sees play is recluse something. And it's just a fatty reanimated in living end.
I think out of all of those, rats would be most viable
>>48065090
After putting a bit of thought into it, I think this card is actually legit in the right deck. Burn for example is a deck that's half instants. You're getting a 3 power beater and quite possibly triple the draw power of your opponent for 2 mana. This is a potentially dumb topdeck. Also gives you game against Liliana. Hold onto it just to play it with the +1.
>>48057033
We justify it cause it's fun and our hobby. It's like how someone will drop a couple hundred on golf clubs or a ski pass. Just we do it with cardboard. Cardboard that is collectable and has increasing value. Don't get into the format by dropping a grand on a tier one deck. Buy burn or some sort of tribal or something and if you don't like them, resell them. If this hobby is for you, then upgrade to better decks over time. Research the hobby before bitching about being a poorfag
>>48061201
That combo is only good in commander you dumb fuck
>>48065090
I wouldn't put this in mardu. This might be good for 8rack, but besides that it's bad. Maybe if it was a 3/2 for 3cmc and 2 madness cost it'd be played
>>48065180
Jeskai Bugs
Its a spell slinging deck that uses Delver and Mantis Rider as beatsticks
make it happen anon
>>48065662
Mardu colours get hellbent pretty fast and run lots of instants. It seems like a perfect fit, especially with being above the curve. Probably better than Bob in the deck. There are lists on mtgtop8 running it and it's a junk rare so I think I'll give it a whirl.
>>48065180
4x Thrumming Stone and like 30x Relentless Rats.
You know you want to.
>>48065180
>few dare to trespass
>Squirrels
>>48065716
Have fun losing
Also
>bether than Bobs
Top kek
Anyone have dank flowcharts?
I made a couple.
Tron player here. Do any of the spoilers look tron worthy? Newmrakul looks promising. On par with newlamog.
>>48066279
Well it actually can be better than Bob.
>Higher power
>Can draw more cards
>Pays less life
Honestly in a lot of situations it's going to put in just as much if not more work than Bob. You could easily poke holes in Bob as a card, and in fact Bob wasn't run anywhere for like 2 years so hailing it as almighty is just dumb.
>>48066315
Nothing looks that good honestly. Emerge is just begging to be broken though what with delve creatures being a thing in Modern. Elder Deep-Fried Chicken basically says UU: Time Walk while making your Angler/Mandrills larger.
>>48066392
It's much less consistent than Bob and the types of decks that want that kind of effect also want consistency.
>>48066315
>On par with newlamog.
I wouldn't say so. Newlamog gives Tron an out to things that go infinite life like Abzan CoCo. Newmrakul does not. Only thing you can do is kill their field provided that they're dumb enough to not sac the Viscera Seer in response.
>>48066392
Maybe if you're running Lilies and a playset of inquisition and thoughtseize. But at that point why even bother playing mardu?
>>48066517
>But at that point why even bother playing mardu?
You're likely to be running far more instants than Jund or Abzan, so making your opponent hellbent can result in value from it. And being able to run Lingering Souls, Bolt, Path, and Thoughtseize in the same deck is just filthy. It's basically all the best non-creature parts of Jund and Abzan mixed into one big stew. There's also Soulfire Grand Master which the others can't run due to RW.
This thread is nothing but standard jank.
>>48066860
Since when is Prognitous standard jank?
>>48066712
Fair point, but I still don't like the card. I will say if you run nahemrikul and lootings it might be better just because you can discard and pay the madness cost. But I'd also jam lillies into the deck if I were to try her out
>>48066987
>mill progenitus
>lose
And to answer your question, ever since they printed griselbrand
>>48067088
>mill progenitus
>lose
Are you retarded?
>>48067088
>mill progenitus
that's like actually impossible retard
>griselbrand
Dies to just about every bit of removal there is, drawing cards is cool but if you have nothing to do with them its worthless.
>>48067129
>>48067226
No it is you. You are retarded.
All the work to get tombstalker out is wasted when you just shuffle it back in
>>48067088
Is there like an excess of lead ink in boosters and intro packs that's making you idiots even more widespread these days?
Why does this place not understand bait?
>>48066987
Eldritch Evolution seems like it would be better applied to like, Myr Enforcer or Tangle Golem than Delve creatures.
>>48064419
serious question anon, how does this help shore up espers bad matchups?
>>48064349
This website is literally months out of date. It garbage.
>>48064349
This site is so old it ranks zooicide as tier 3 LOL.
MTGgoldfish is much more up to date.
>>48067344
>5/1/16 - 5/31/16
Do you like it /tg/?
4x Progenitus
4x tombstalker
4x Shambling Attendants
4x birds of Paradise
4x simian sprit guide
4x tome scour
4x thought scour
4x thoughtsieze/inquisition
4x Eldritch evolution
4x dispell/your counterspell of choice
1x Overgrown tomb, watery grave, breeding pool
1x swamp, island, forest
2x dakmor salvage
4x Verdant catacombs
4x Polluted delta
4x bloodstaind mire
>>48067430
no, go away
>>48067430
why on earth would you need all 4 progenitus? too many 4-ofs, see me after class.
Why should I play this instead of Pauper?
Who the hell can afford these decks?
Every excuse I've seen is "HOBBIES ARE EXPENSIVR LIKE COLLECTING WINE AND DIAMONDS YOU KNOW NORMAL HOBBIES" or "I CAN BUY WHATEVER I WANT I MAKE MONEY I HAVE LOTS OF DISPOSABLE INCOME!!!".
>>48067480
I guess I could cut it down to 2, and run 2 more dredge spells, or something to let me discard him if I end up drawing him by accident.
>>48067583
No one actually plays Pauper outside of MTGO
>>48067249
I knew /tg/ was bad at magic but this is pathetic.
>>48067583
You're an assmad poorfag. Neck yourself
>>48067583
>Why should I play this instead of Pauper?
who says you should? play whatever you can afford.
>Who the hell can afford these decks?
plenty of people as modern is the most active format after standard.
>>48067602
There are multiple pauper nights at local stores where I live.
>>48067647
Good argument.
>>48067658
So you agree Jund should cost 2k USD?
>>48067755
Can you just start a pauper thread & not try to derail this one? I like both formats
>>48067755
>There are multiple pauper nights at local stores where I live.
You a very lucky man.
Where I live the only formats that are played are competitive EDH, legacy and modern
>>48067755
>So you agree Jund should cost 2k USD?
Fuck off. Nobody said this. Just because you can't afford something or have some self righteous high ground doesn't mean others can't buy expensive cards.
Are you on your way to a legacy thread all caps sperg at them too or was that your previous stop?
>>48067755
>So you agree Jund should cost 2k USD?
The free market obviously does.
I run red white token burn in modern. The goal of the deck is to play a ton of tokens, use purphoros and/or impact tremors to deal lots of damage, then use odric, lunarch marshal to give everyone haste and flying and win. Or use Elspeth, Sun's Champion to create loads of tokens and buff them. Or just swing with everything and use an instant speed buff. Does that work very well, and any tips you guys can give me for the deck? Budget preferred, I'm a poorfag
>>48067827
yeah, go BWr instead.
I made a pauper box (5 mono color decks) with two playmats and supplies and put it up with the boardgames. Good to get people into magic.
Then I started saving up for a Modern deck. Not there yet but I love both formats. Aether Vial so expensive hngggg
>>48067857
Eh. I was considering it, then I realized I have no Mardu staples, and I wanted to do my own thing instead of what everyone else does... Wait, what tier is Mardu token burn?
Just started playing modern and I built elves seeing as I had most of the money cards already (CoCo, Chord) it seems like I can sneak in a few wins in an event but usually do pretty bad (Anger of the Gods = gg). Any tips? Should I buy Caverns? Should I ditch the deck?
>Bought a box of EM for 225
>Gonna sell it eventually
>Give in and Crack that bad boy
>Opening packs
>Not getting shot
>Balance
>Get to last pack
>Foils and Rares and sh1t up to this point add up to about 170 dollars
>Ass hole is blown out, literally in tears, I deserve this
>Last pack
>Foil Karakas
Lmao, I can only imagine if that was a foil worldgorger, god I'm so fucking cool.
>>48067974
God damn it why can't I have pulls like that?
>>48067963
Same as BW tokens (T2.5/T3), maybe a bit better but I've haven't played with it enough. Tokens in general is inconsistent as fuck.When it comes together it genuinely feels like a T1 deck, when it doesn't you're just embarrassed that you've ever though this was a viable deck.
>>48068047
Hey, I've had this deck come together amazingly. Only when I get land starved is when shit hits the fan. Sadly, I don't have any fetch or shock lands, or any of those plains mountains lands. Those would be nice
>>48068115
mind posting your list?
>>48068046
Feel free to bask in my glory, friend
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Verdant catacombs
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Temple Garden
1x Pendelhaven
6x Forest
4x Llanowar Elves
4x Elvish Mystic
4x Nettle Sentinel
4 Heritage Druid
4x Dwynen's Elite
3x Elvish Visionary
4x Elvish Archdruid
4x Shaman of the Pack
2x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1x Reclamation Sage
4x Collected Company
2x Eldritch Evolution
2x Lead the Stampede
SB
2x Fracturing Gust
2x Chord of Calling
3x Beast Within
2x Kitchen Finks
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Spellskite
1x Kataki, War's Wage
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Mirror Entity
Proxied out Eldritch Evolution for Elves. The card is insane. Now you get consistent turn 2 Archdruids no problem, and in the late game it can be any creature you want, from Ezuri to that last Shaman of the Pack burn
Feels especially disgusting with Kitchen Finks as well, you can do Kitchen Finks -> EE -> Kitchen Finks on Burn if you catch them off guard and other disgusting things. The card is easily the best thing out of the Eldritch Moon so far.
>>48068141
Sadly, I do not have it on me, and I'm on mobile, on the way to a weekend camping trip. If you guys are around when I'll get back, I'll post it on Sunday. Just open a new thread, I'll show up.
>>48067974
I had the same thing with my EMA box.
>Decent pulls but nothing too valuable
>Sneak Attack is the only good mythic I open
>Need something big in the last pack to break even
>Wasteland
>Foil Brainstorm
>>48067821
Is this the same (((free market))) that defends the reserved list?
>>48068356
Lol it's free market! Jk don't ever reprint these cards again so I don't feel like a fucking dumbass who invested in cardboard.
>>48068356
The only thing that makes the secondary market anything remotely like the free market is the fact that the Chinese are printing "substitutes".
The fucking fact that there are counterfeits are the only signs that it's a free market. That's fucked up.
So I'm testing this Esper control deck, nothing special just tries to win with Sorin + Lingering souls, if it's not good I'm planning on making dredgevine. How relevant is dredge? And how does it get past graveyard hate?
>>48068776
>get past gravehate
Artifact/enchantment destruction
Esper seems pretty sweet at the moment though
>>48067301
It's maindeckable and strong against Infect, Burn, Zoo, and Bogles all at once.
>>48068776
>How relevant is dredge
its really popular right now actually. The last big event I went to (just over 100 players I think) had at least 12 people playing dredge.
>>48068776
Depends which variant. There's the Squeeflagerate version and the Prized Amalgam version. The latter is more popular as it has more explosive draws and ridiculous synergy. The former is niche but its more flexible and offers better outs vs hate.
I'm a new player and I'm looking for something that won't break my bank. I like big green creatures and I want to have Loxodon Smiter in there, but I struggle to find a deck that I like with that in mind. Any suggestions?
>>48068877
I would post my list but it's pretty trash
>>48069122
Mono Green Stompy. Most honest competitive deck thats only around $90. Good for FNM level events, dont expect to go far in big events.
No Smiters in that list though, but you're still casting super-efficient creatures that can end the game in 1-2 swings.
>>48069167
I appreciate the recommendation! I like how straightforward it is, cause I haven't really wrapped my head around how some of the weirder mechanics in this game work.
>>48069327
You can also try 8whack goblins, its around $100 but is a lot faster and has ridiculous draws that end the game by the 4th turn. It does suffer the same problems as Mono Green Stompy though, because your entire gameplan relies on you getting a good hand rather than planning things out. There's no middle ground in those 2 decks, its either you get a nut hand or you lose.
>>48069034
But everyone says Dredge dies to one card.
>>48069659
Manaless dredge dies to one card. just plain ole dredge can sideboard in enchantment/artifact hate, heck some even mainboard it.
>>48069659
>>48069778
RIP/Relic hate is very maindeckable in dredge.
>people doubting Asylum Visitor
If you have even a little bit of discard it's gonna draw you tons more cards than Confidant for a fraction of the life
I know new things are scary but do try them before you judge them
>>48070079
Fuck off you stupid same fag. The card is not that good
>>48070176
Have you tried it?
3/1 at GP São Paulo today with Esper Rally. I am becoming the meme.
>>48070584
Post your list queer
>>48070629
Creature (28)
3x Blood Artist
2x Bloodthrone Vampire
2x Cartel Aristocrat
4x Hedron Crab
2x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
4x Magus of the Bazaar
3x Pack Rat
2x Tidehollow Sculler
2x Viscera Seer
4x Zulaport Cutthroat
Sorcery (7)
3x Ideas Unbound
1x Immortal Servitude
3x Lingering Souls
Land (21)
1x Breeding Pool
4x Flooded Strand
2x Godless Shrine
2x Hallowed Fountain
1x Island
3x Marsh Flats
2x Plains
3x Polluted Delta
1x Temple Garden
2x Watery Grave
Instant (4)
4x Rally the Ancestors
Sideboard (15)
2x Gnaw to the Bone
1x Immortal Servitude
1x Kataki, War's Wage
2x Meddling Mage
2x Phyrexian Revoker
3x Qasali Pridemage
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Tidehollow Sculler
2x Zealous Persecution
Hope you enjoy it fampai. Just remember to tell everyone you shit on with this deck that you got the idea from a retarded brazilian kid who couldn't decide between the grindy abzan version and the quick combo esper one.
>>48068170
EE saccing kitchen finks to get a Thragtusk is going to make a lot of burn players cry
>>48070801
All those 2 and 3 of's are triggering my tiny burn player mind.
any terminate fans out there? is this the second best dedicated creature removal after path?
>>48065090
probably the biggest advantages visitor has over confidant is madness and that it lets you run gurmag angler and delve stuff without fear of killing yourself
Fuck I love watching channel fireball YouTube videos but pascale Maynard is so fucking retarded it's unwatchable
How is this chucklefuck a pro?
>>48071343
Magic isn't a hard game
>>48071422
I guess so
>>48071422
Then why is /tg/ so bad at it?
>>48071143
Terminate is great, can't really compare it to path or bolt because it's two color but I love it
>>48070801
1 less rat 1 more blood artist?
>>48072763
How do i make this combo into a thing in tron. maybe a different deck would be more suitable. help me build a deck around this. i got the combo out a few times at a local tourney and made some neckbeards perspire. very satisfying.
>>48072796
>>48072763
U-Tron with Reshape maybe?
Its probably worse than the standard build, but I could see it doing some neat stuff. Sac maps or talismans you don't need lategame when you have a ton of mana to tutor a wurmcoil or something, nice value with solemn simulacrum, and it lets you run only 1 or 2 painter's servant because its not a card you want to be clogging you deck with despite the nice interaction with ugin.
Modern dredge.
subbing in the new haunted dead for stitchwing skaab, provides an additional body for instant speed blocking and a stronger rally. rest in peace, leyline of the void, and grafdigger's cage own me.
creatures:
4x prized amalgam
4x bloodghast
4x narcomoeba
2x haunted dead
4x insolent neonate
4x street wraith
4x stinkweed imp
4x golgari grave-troll
sorceries/instants:
4x faithless looting
3x burning inquiry
2x darkblast
2x life from the loam
2x conflagrate
1x rally the peasants
lands:
1x copperline gorge
1x mountain
4x mana confluence
4x gemstone mine
3x city of brass
3x dakmor salvage
SB:
1x darkblast
1x conflagrate
4x lightning axe
2x gnaw to the bone
3x invasive surgery
4x natural slate
rate my build /tg/
>>48067827
Cut purph, tokens and jam bolts tribal, boros charm and helix
>>48072796
That would exile all your lands
>>48070801
Nice, Im gonna test it. Good job man
testingsss
>>48071143
Terminate is great, most efficient unconditional removal spell for its cost.
>>48067249
This guy's actually right, if you mill Progenitus off the Tome Scour, you esentially did nothing but discard a card and lose your only way to realistically cast Tombstalker early.
You better fucking hope you have multiples in hand but, at that point you're already behind a whole turn on the combo and it will fuck you severely.
>>48073091
Read Progenitus again. It only puts itself back into the library, not the rest of your graveyard like the original Eldrazi titans.
>>48065662
Not that good in 8rack. Getting a card in your hand on your opponents upkeep would let 1-power critters attack over your bridge. You only want to have 1 card in hand with bridge on play when you are beating opponent with Bitterblossom-tokens, and after combat you get rid of that card.
>>48072864
There's a difference here though.
You have an active Ugin, your opponent does not.
After Armageddon, you can literally ride that mother fucker all the way to victory, especially if you only -0 him turn one and can ultimate him three turns later.
>>48073134
>8rack
>bitterblossom
??????
I'm thinking about buying a Modern deck that I can gradually "upgrade" into a legacy deck by acquiring the expensive cards one at a time. Besides burn, what options are there? I was thinking about esper thopters into Tezzerator.
>>48073316
Misthollow Griffin is legal in Modern. I'm just saying.
>>48073104
And? You better have cracked a fetch, because if Progenitus hits the yard, you'll only have 5 card in the grave if you kept a hand with without them.
Look, this combo is cute and all, but it's really not going to work. It'll be kind of.like Amulet Bloom. Scary sometimes, really fast sometimes, but durdles around if it didn't have a seriously good hand. You need 4 very specific cards, U t1>BB t2>GG t3 (that shits painful), and no disruption (god forbid you get Thoughtseized.)
You can test it all you want, but I'll eat my Snapcasters if it turns out more than FNM jank.
Casting Eldritch Evolution after turn 2 is suicide in Modern right now since Grixis and Jeskai are so big. This isn't even considering Jund and its mountain of disruption.
>>48073361
And that's why Coco decks are bad
>>48073436
Collected Company does not require you to sacrifice a creature to cast it or to all-in with bad cards at the deckbuilding stage.
I've been playing a really fun Tezzerator list, with the finishers being beats with a 5/5 Citadel, Exsanguinating with Tezz2 or tutoring Thopter combo with TezzPrime, I'm at work now but I'll post my list later, it's got a ton of sweet 1 of artifacts that I can get with Trinket Mages and even more in the SB. Again I can't post my list right now, but anyone else playing a Tezzerator deck?
>>48073464
Sacrificing Finks or Voice is hardly a tragedy, and the people thinking that Allosaurus Rider combo is going anywhere are idiots anyway
>>48073503
You're risking your value to play a card that's a bad Birthing Pod. Nigger just play Chord.
>>48073464
Dude, EE goes into Melira podless/ Abzan CoCo/Kiki Chord. Sacing Finks for Cap or tutoring for some utility or hate is pretty good.
>>48073511
We'll have to wait and see
>>48073535
>Sac Finks to EE to go get Melira
>Oh fuck I just turned off my combo
>>48073535
>>48073556
Hey hey, we've already got a EE, back off with that shit
>>48073560
EEEE EEEEEEE
>>48073556
Uh, don't misplay like that? Sac a mana dork? It's fine card, and slots into existing decks as like, a 2 of. Play it for value, not for misplaying like an idiot.
>>48073560
How about EldE? Does that curb your autism?
>>48073608
I'm not calling it Elde
Hey guys, can you please give some suggestions for this casual modern deck idea I've got here? I playtested it on Untap once so far and went 1 - 1 versus a G/R deck. Maybe I need some kind of board wipe.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/akroan-forge-masters/
>>48074089
I think you need to chose between a token deck and whatever else your doing with pump spells, alternativley you need 2-3 Zada, Hedron Grinder to spread the love.
How about
-4 Coordinated Assault
-4 Crowd's Favor
-2 Dictate of the Twin Gods
+4 Brute Force
+3 Zada, Hedron Grinder
+1 Pyromancer
+1 Purph, God
+1 ??
>>48073316
Elves
>>48066442
>newmrakul can't counter abzan infinite life
>a deck with a unconditional sac engine
>>48067583
Most people trade their cards for modern staples. For example I just got a playset of goyfs with trade in credit. It's not hard, you're just lazy and want instant gratification.
>>48075407
This is sort of bad reasoning though. What cards is a new player supposed to trade for modern staples? Unless you live in miracle land where everyone will trade their modern decks for your worthless commons from the newest set, you need to buy the cards for money to get into magic.
What do you guys think of this card in the ad nauseam sideboard?
>>48075780
Why would any AN list run this ever?
>>48075971
Alternate win condition against infect, affinity, and other decks that rely on small creatures. It serves as a one card combo against these decks as even if they have answers in the mainboard, they are very likely to sideboard them out game 2.
>>48075988
Gimmicky as shit. I love it.
>>48075780
not good unless you have a reliable easy tutor (which you dont)
>>48076019
The thing that interests me the most about it is that the decks it helps against are all really bad matchups; affinity, hatebears, and infect range from unfavorable to unwinnable and this card might be a way to change that.
>>48076057
play pyroclasm instead
or hurkyll's recall
>>48075988
You can't beat Infect ever, much less before having 7 mana and vs Affinity you bring in Hurkyls and Slaughter Pact, usually just Negationing a business spell like Plating or Master is enough. Elves isn't a thing and no other deck cares too much.
>>48076074
Pyroclasm seems difficult to cast in ad nauseam as it relies on you having a gemstone mine out or wasting a simian or pentad prism counter and seems a bit too narrow to be worth using as it doesn't really help matchups that are bad aside maybe hatebears.
Hurkll's recall usually see's play in ad nauseam sideboards outside of metas with few affinity players: but it doesn't solve the problem of the other matchups.
>>48076079
The main draw is being able to effectively one card combo with it and consequently being able to dedicate more sideboard slots to hate without disrupting the combo. I suppose the best thing to do is test it and see how it does in the relevant matchups to determine whether or not it works or if it is just a meme card.
>>48064349
I feel like Affinity is on it's way to tier 2. It's only a matter of time. Someone hold me.
>>48072763
That's a good looking card.
>>48067430
>4x tome scour
>>48072796
sphinx's tutelage?
>>48076496
>affinity
>going to teir 2
>when we get dank shit like this
>>48076701
I feel like that's useless for affinity
It basically means gambling everything on one creature
>>48076761
No it means vomiting your hand onto the table which Affinity does anyway. Nigger it's a 5/5 for 2 mana with no downside in the deck.
>>48076778
What do you cut to make space for it?
>>48076801
The cocaine.
>>48075629
I don't think modern is a good place for beginners in the first place. I'd suggest drafting then playing standard to get a good grasp of the game and mechanics. Imagine explain ad nauseum to a newer player. You can build a decent collection doing this, hence the goyfs.
What are some situations where Wheel of Sun and Moon will screw you but RiP will save you?
I've been running RiP but now I'm wondering if Wheel is better because it's one sided and can protect me from weird shit like Mill and Lantern.
When is full spoiler for EMN? I thought it was today
>>48076987
>You play maybe a heirarch or whatever
>Opponent goes Faithless pitching Big G and Borby
>Play Wheel
>They Goryo's Griselbrand and kill you
What is the biggest meme deck you can think of? I would say ad nauseam tron.
>>48077044
No spoilers on weekends.
So Monday
>>48076778
Shitter detected
Affinity does not always play hellbent
>>48076778
The problem with the card is that it doesn't solve affinity's bad matchups.
So in Autumn, we're going to Kaladesh and get a lot of thopter cards. Should I invest in an Affinity deck, or a Sword of the Meek deck?
>>48077623
Neither.
>>48076373
>Pyroclasm seems difficult to cast in ad nauseam as it relies on you having a gemstone mine out or wasting a simian or pentad prism counter
ok now imagine trying to get the same immediate board impact but for 7 mana.
>as it doesn't really help matchups that are bad aside maybe hatebears.
? look at the decklists for the decks that you are talking about, you hit so much with 2 dmg global
>>48077623
Affinity is sort of on a downward trend right now. And SotM was never a thing. Just invest in something you want to play bro.
>>48073316
Elves and Merfolk.
>>48073316
Bant Eldrazi into Eldrazy Stompy.
Jund into... Jund.
Infect into... Infect.
>>48077646
>ok now imagine trying to get the same immediate board impact but for 7 mana.
>in response I use any of my pump spells to negate this effect
>ill just use my inkmoth and attach cranial plating to it
You just 1 for 1 there. The Elesh Norn effect is permanent and wins the game on the spot against infect and any other deck that its relevant against as they will board out their removal. Think of it as ad nauseam 5-7 in these matchups. While it is effective against hatebears.
>look at the decklists for the decks that you are talking about, you hit so much with 2 dmg global
The keyword is bad matchup. I don't see this doing much to help either infect or affinity, and we have good matchups against other aggro decks. Again the only deck this is good against is hatebears and that assumes we can even reliably get red mana against stony silence and ghost quarters.
Guys I've been gone two weeks. How did suicide zoo get so big all of a sudden?
>>48077090
this guy has the truth
wheel isnt a terrible card but a lot of the time you need your gy hate to save you after the gy's been filled, having preventative gy hate is not going to be enough in many cases
>>48077957
using a pump spell to 1 for 1 is consistently going to help you a lot more than having elesh norn in your deck, imo. i also fail to see how using inkmoth and then attaching plating to it for BB does anything but make the pyroclasm better for you...
>>48078942
ah you mean like, on an empty board. i got you
maybe you might be right about teching a norn. but i still don't really think you're going to be able to reliably cast it that often
have you tried dismember?
>>48078942
>>48078980
Infect usually has a surplus of pump spells meaning that they could still win even if they have to 1 for 1. Considering that ad nauseam already uses darkness in the sideboard and it both 1 for 1s a pump spell and buys you an extra turn, I don't think pyroclasm is very good in comparison. Same applies to affinity and most other aggro matchups. Dismember seems bad in ad nauseam; we usually don't care about interacting with the opponent, so dismember would be far too narrow of a card to justify a sideboard slot for.
I was thinking of more going the grave titan route and adding multiple norns into the sideboard as odd as it sounds due to it effectively being both ad nauseam and angel's grace in one card in those matchups; which means we could more safely keep hands that have hate cards in them.
>>48077623
burn
>>48078980
What about Sudden Death for the infect matchup? You can cast it off Land+Pentad and they can't pump in response.
>>48079247
sudden shock seems so much better
>>48079283
You're probably right, I forgot Ad Nauseam can play pretty much any colored spells they want.
>>48079247
>>48079283
The problem is those cards are very narrow and really don't have any uses outside of the infect matchup. Its arguable that boarding exclusively for infect will hurt other matchups more than it will help your infect matchup. Its also why darkness/ethereal haze is considered a good sideboard card as its useful against all aggro matchups outside of burn.
>>48076496
But the next block is artifact themed dude.
>>48079345
sudden shock is good in more than just infect
it shuts down ravager pretty nicely, it stops podless combo, kills kiki
>>48079439
Think we will finally get an upgrade for ad nauseam combo? Maybe a new ramp artifact? Maybe if we are lucky, an upgrade to spoils of the vault.
>>48079439
So? They won't print good ones. They're scarred by the original affinity fiasco
>>48079582
Podless/Kiki are both good matchups already though; ad nauseam doesn't care about infinite life and can just grace/haze the damage combo.
Ad nauseam already brings in dedicated hate to affinity so it seems redundant considering its not that unfavored of a matchup.
>>48079637
How does ad nauseam not care about infinite life?
Otherwise, I do agree with you. I'm not saying it's an all star against those decks, but it can be relevant in those games.
>>48079598
Some kind of Reshape on a stick could be cool, or just Reshape. Turning empty Pentads into Blooms.
>>48079661
Laboratory maniac as an alternate win condition, something many ad nauseam players main board.
>>48079695
oh right
Did anyone see Ad Nauseum in round 1 of the last GP against some casual UB mill brew that was half standard cards? The commentators realizing they have to pretend like the mill player knows what is going on was hilarious
>>48079635
They don't know what a good card is as evidenced by Siege Rhino, Collected Company and Thalia's Lieutenant.
>>48079750
I don't think anyone said those were bad cards
>>48079635
Scars of mirrodin was an artifact based block that wasn't broken. I think they have a grasp of what's up.
>>48079836
In multiple articles the design team has mentioned that they never expected Rhino or CoCo to see play because of "better alternatives."
>>48079916
>inkmoth is fine
>>48079942
the design team is actually terrible though
they thought pic related was going to be the dominant card in standard and were worried about it
>>48079732
Mill is actually a surprisingly poor matchup for ad nauseam, as if they mill any of ad nauseams win conditions, the ad nauseam player just loses on the spot.
>>48080014
nigga you don't understand
the dude had Alms of the Vein in his sideboard
>>48079942
>>48079994
Didn't they also expect this card to be dominated as well?He is also the best commander in the modern format.
>>48080027
That's actually a good card though
>>48080082
is this one of those le pretending to be retarded things
>>48080097
You tell me retard. What are you Implying?
Helix is bad?
>>48080147
are you saying a 3 mana helix that only hits face is a good card? when your main wincon is mill?
>>48080172
It's 1 mana
>>48080214
he had no discard outlets
>>48080224
Opponent might
>>48080240
once again
is this one of those le pretending to be retarded things
>>48080250
>I have no argument so I'll meme it up
>>48080172
Stop feeding the fucking troll.
Fuck.
>>48080279
but I'm bored
>>48080279
Just because you can't properly evaluate cards doesn't make me a troll
>>48079994
>how did we fuck up this bad?
>well first we had bitterblossom
>but then we removed Lilly of the Veil and check lands from M15
>still not satisfied, we reworked seige rhino and anefanza so they could deal with the card
>people actually thought the 4cmc enchantment version was this busted
>it would actually be fine at 2cmc
>>48080309
they mentioned painlands + first response as the powerful synergy that takes over the format
they are almost never correct on predicting standard
>>48080331
They changed the "end of turn" part to "beginning of upkeep" and that's all they needed to change. Make it 3cmc if they're scared it would warp standard, but 4cmc?
Would you take a sideboard like this to a modern GP?
Think there'll be anything in kadlesh that will make eggs good?
>>48080491
Honestly I'm not that other guy but I would not shit on Alms so hard
There aren't that many viable options in B for life gain, my favorite is Syphon Life though
>>48080491
We're not all try hard fucks.
>>48080560
yes we are
>>48080580
Oh yea, shit my bad.
>>48080491
Swap out the vessals for Mahamoti Djinns and I'm game.
>>48080491
>Broken Concentration
What the fuck?
Why?
>>48080669
standard trash player
>>48080669
Straight upgrade to Cancel
>>48080669
When would you ever use the madness cost for this card? If you are going to use Jace, you might as well just cast it normally. It seems pointless for this card to have madness.
>>48080836
When would you cast Reckless Bushwhacker for its casting cost?
>>48080981
That's not even close to the same. Get out
>>48080836
Because if you have an untapped looter or something when someone casts a spell you want to counter, you can effectively pay 4 mana to get +1 card advantage
Technically better than cancel, still a terrible card. Could have been Dissolve or something and still been bad, but less ridiculous.
Does anyone have the full decklist? I'm kind of curious
>>48080836
I mean it's a cancel with slight upside.
As far as cards go, it's acceptable in the sense that it's not completely unplayable.
I'm a fan of the ravnica Cancel variants, as far as monoblue cancels goes you can always get a free scry.
This cancel variant seems like the best in a mill list.
This card is pretty good.
>any creature or land, not just the one you milled
I'm definitely going to test this in my temur goldbloom deck.
>>48081449
I thought so too
Seems like it's good on turn 2 with empty yards to get something to play turn 3 or to rebuy the creature that just died
green is the new blue
>>48081449
>temur goldbloom
RUG Delver? That's pretty funny
>>48081169
It's probably that MTGO memelist that nobody has bothered to tune.
4 Visions from Beyond, 3 Ensnaring Bridge and 4 Jace's Phatasm are all very strong but horrible in tandem. 3 maindeck Crypt incursion also bothers me, I'd almost rather a Surgical in place of one.
The deck is strong tho but has a lot of variance in the strength of its draws. I think Bridges could be replaced by something, it seems like a cheese card (see simian + ritual + bloodmoon decks) that's either hit or miss. I can see Jund btfoing a bridge or Affinity going over it.
>>48081449
It's a grisly salvage w/o black that can return anything from your yard, not just the top X cards. Really well designed for a satyr variant.
>>48081809
And it's common. That's surprising to me
>>48081856
Because it doesn't do anything in limited
>>48081923
draws you a creature almost guaranteed if you have like 15+ creatures in your deck
lategame it gets you your best creature that died so far
>>48081943
I love losing less
>>48082005
and since this set will be drafted with SOI, it enables delirium
why are you so against it?
>>48082017
I don't play limited
>>48082041
then why would you claim it does nothing in limited
fuck am I arguing with a troll again
>>48082050
Doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about
You're not talking to a troll, you're talking to a Magic Master buddy
>>48081856
It's how commons should be, variants of mechanics that have some use. Idk mbc in an eternal witness cryptic vial shell, maybe to power up goyfs and return snaps/witness or something.
>>48082093
But it does do things in limited
It's probably even good enough for standard
>>48082093
You're an idiot lol
>>48082206
Am I? Or am I...a god?
If a card like this were in the next set, would it see any use?
>>48082526
If your mother had aborted you would the world truly be any different
>>48082526
Ad naus tier 1, turn 3 wins all day
>>48082526
I would play it inEggs
>>48082526
>2 mana colorless lotus bloom fetcher
its fucking broken
>>48064349
What is shotgun?
>>48083200
Kilnfiend.dec
How long is the players meeting for a Star City Open, want to plan my day out for all those side events if I drop out of the main.
>>48083200
Elemental Shotgun, Nivmagus Elemental and Phyrexian spells combo with Ground Rift as a finisher.
>>48064419
I'm gonna play it in Abzan Midrange. Decent 2 mana removal spell with utility and late game upside. Also will most likely prove to be good against infect.
what do you guys think of my tooth and nail list? would it be strictly better if i splashed red?
>>48084203
aaand im retarded for not posting the list
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/439292#paper
>>48079942
>they never expected Rhino or CoCo to see play because of "better alternatives."
Oh great, this game is literally being designed by /tg/ then.
>>48078078
SCG Memeium had some articles about it.
>sell jeskai harbinger for store credit
>buy legacy d&t with store credit
>sell rest of modern cards for cash
>buy $3800 mtn bike
>>48084311
They thought of making the tricolored cards more powerful because of manafixing. Apparently the painlands were the fix to this (and not fetch+duals)
It was a weird set, and one of my favorites. The power levels vary quite a bit from card to card.
Think of how many modern decks contain ktk-dtk cards. Become Immense, Swiftspear, Tasigur, Anafanza and so many others.
