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>>48045334
Ludevic confirmed for best person on all of Innistrad.
Is there anything he cannot or will not make?
>>48045334
>Is there anything he cannot or will not make?
I'm not really sure.
>>48044876 #
>>48044949 #
No no no no. I loved that card so much. I am so sad. This is worse than Brisela. It is just a little girl!
>>48045369
Something really simple and "boring" like a hammer.
>>48045334
Flavor text
>I never asked for this
>>48045427
What does Emrakul even want with a stuffed bear, anyway?
>>48045487
That Eldrazi is the girl.
>>48045369
And yet we'll never get a badass Ludevic Planeswalker.
>>48045487
i thought it was showing the girl was mutated by emrakul in a way to help her retrieve the bear
>>48045518
>>48045529
Ah, I missed that implication. I feel dumb now.
>>48045427
Really enjoying this spoiler season so far. It's odd that the Eldrazi feature so heavily but still manage to be more interesting here than on the Plane they were introduced with. Maybe it's because Innistrad really lets them explore the body horror.
>>48045446
>I never asked for this
Ri rever rasked ror ris.
>>48045518
The flavor text is saying Emrakul's desires are being willed into her brood.
So either Big Emma wants the bear or the girl Eldrazi is just still holding the bear.
Either way, I'm still gonna draw Eldrazi making a big pile stuffed animals for Emakul.
>>48045369
He hasn't made THAT much. Here's a tally of what he's made so far:
>some skaabs (Scrapskin Drake, Seagraf Skaab, Makeshift Mauler, the flying horse-thing from Grounded)
>Godzilla (Ludevic's Abomination)
>a robot (Narstad Scrapper)
>A robot with a wolf's head (this guy)
But my favorite has got to be pic related. It's nothing special, but the flavor text makes it.
>>48045334
Does the drawback imply that Ludevic was out of ideas when he made robopup?
>>48045427
Little girls are expendable. I am really afraid that harm will come to that mutant kitten, though.
>>48045334
>Wolf construct
>Some random creature in power armor
>Fucking Geralf and Ludevic hijinks
>Red Donate
We Urza Saga now!
>>48045628
It just means he had a dream of making something that only works when someone's out of ideas.
>>48045602
Necro-Alchemists, no sense of right or wrong.
>>48045571
If this is Scoob, which cards are the rest of the gang on Innistrad
>>48045662
Remember during Avacyn Restored when Ludevic was having such a hard time that he had to resort to doing things that were technically not illegal? Guy's been on a journey.
>>48045602
He also apparently turned a human's skeleton into dust. I don't know why.
>>48045777
To see if he could, duh.
>>48045693
Jace is Shaggy, Tamiyo is Velma.
I guess you could have Chandra and Gideon as Daphne and Fred.
>>48045762
he's done it, he's moved into the realm of robotics.
>>48045777
>A mad scientist did something incredible
>I don't know why
That's why you're not a scientist anon.
>>48045796
>>48045782
It does draw a card, so that's some knowledge right there. After all, that card could be the next great idea.
I'M A PIG, FUCK YOUR SHIT I'M A PIG, A PIIIIIG!
>>48045792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edj9Qhr22dE
I really hope WotC continues the trend of making D&D5 supplements for Magic settings. Ever since they released the Zendikar packet, I've been hoping for an Innistrad supplement. That desire has only grown now.
>>48045823
>Green Emerge + Overrun
Are you ready kids?
>>48045829
>Ludevic goes on to attract the Phyrexians for the sole purpose of capturing and experimenting on them
>>48045789
Thalia is Daphne, Sorin is Fred.
>>48045878
You can bet your behind the madman will succeed too.
>Lidevic finds a way to planeswalk
>But only if you're a zombie/scaab/robot
> still no new twisted gitrog
He had his own story article, come on wizards don't let me down.
>>48045823
hmm...
>>48045952
what's that pic from?
>>48045858
But all they released for Zendikar was playable races. The only playable race in Innistrad is humans.
>Turn 2 Lupine Horror
>Turn 3 cast pic related
GG no re my other 3 Lupine Horrors are perma enabled now.
>>48046005
>>48046005
Boku no picoPrincess Mononoke
>>48046035
>it gets countered and you've 2 for 1'd yourself
whats the next step of your master plan?
>>48046087
i assume we're talking about standard here, and you generally know if you should be concerned about counters from your opponent if youre curving into this
>>48046087
>counters
>in standard
>when everyone and their mums play 2-3drop good stuff decks
>>48046087
Reanimate, one with nothing.
>>48046114
>>48046127
have fun with your inferior format
>>48045334
JAEGERS CONFIRMED
EMRAKAIJU VS WEREJAEGERS HERE WE COME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_6iFYiryY
>>48045858
While I like Innistrad, Ravenloft shares most of its themes already. I'd rather see setting books for Ravnica or Mirrodin.Or a block set in Dark Sun.
>>48046087
T1 duress. Clear up counter spell
T2 lupine
T3 wreck their hand
Unless they are packing 4+ counterspells. The chances of them drawing it are extremely slim. Even worse if you are on the play.
>>48045334
stop sperging over the lore, the kikes just shifted Murder up to uncommon
>muh limited environment can't handle removal
>>48045912
>Ludevic finds a way to planeswalk
>By building a giant ship out of robots and body parts
>Geralf, Gisa and Him then go in a grand transplanar adventure, causing havoc in the name of SCIENCE! wherever they go
>>48046183
3 mana unconditional removal at commonl? yeah, most limited formats really can't. Who in the ever loving fuck is scrambling to have murders so bad that moving it up to uncommon is Jewery on a massive scale?
>>48046184
Now THAT'S a weatherlight I'd love to take part in.
>>48045334
I'm sorry what? No!
NO!
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT!
>>48046184
>inviting Gisa and not Delverman
>>48046184
Don't forget Delver and his army of bugwizards.
>>48045629
don't worry, it doesn't mutate any further and finds a loving owner that teaches it not to bite
r-right?
>>48046184
I would much more like to see/read it than the current Jacetice league.
>>48046243
>"Fuck you I do what I want."
>-Ludevic.
>>48046271
Delver doesn't need a ship to move between planes because it's an eldrazi now.
>>48046271
Now that's just conflict of interest, anon!
>>48046280
Yes, the Gloom Patrol is going to be great.
>>48046291
Yes and?
>>48046306
Planeswalkers can planeswalk because they have a microscopic speck of the Blind Eternities in their brains. Eldrazi are made entirely out of the Blind Eternities. They stronk.
>>48046316
So why aren't planewalkers eldrazis?
>tfw we will never get eldrazi!tibalt
WE CHAOS NOW
>>48046174
I would feel like an ass for dropping my hand turn one as affinity if this was my opponents main strategy.
>>48046316
You say that like this is going to stop him from hanging out with them.
Man watching them SCIENCE across the multiverse is going to be fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09m0B8RRiEE
WHO HERE READY FOR SOME DICE ROLLING
>>48046184
i want this 100 thousand times more then the shitwaffle that is the current story, holy fuck this would be amazing, hell you could have jaces faggy superfriends along for the ride once in a while to clean up the messes these assholes make.
>>48046329
what if they are?
>>48046362
Hym'rakul now. Not quite as strong since you'll rarely get Delirium on turn 2, but easily done by turn 4, or even 3 in a really tooled deck.
>>48046316
>Eldrazi are made entirely out of the Blind Eternities
Now that isn't quite it.
The Eldrazi are a species native to the Blind Eternities. They live there and not in planar space.
The "Titans" and "drones" are just basically Eldrazi hands reaching into planar space, scooping out handfuls, and gobbling them down.
>>48046360
Also from left to right the order for crazy-necromancer-headbobbing to Haddaway goes:
>Geralt
>Gisa
>Ludevic
>>48046370
Than it demonstrates that eldrazified creatures can retain their free will, intelligence and sapience.
Delver and his delvermen would totally journey with Ludevic in his crazy frankstein ship across the multiverse.
>>48046362
>your will is no longer your own
>>48046403
>"K is for Kaladesh and Kaladesh is for me."
And now I'm picturing Ulamog as the Cookie Monster, dammit.
>>48045527
>this is why Ludevic hasn't been spoiled yet
>>48046420
I swear to god, when is fucking blizzard gonna introduce hand disruption, also, the meta is the shittiest it has ever been and their "balancing" is a fucking joke
>>48046329
Checkmate, atheists.
>>48046420
>"Aaahhh!"
>"Aahhhh!"
>"AAAAHHH!"
>"NOW GET THIS STRAIGHT! I'm just a mean green mother from outer space and I'm bad! (mean green bad!) I'm a mean green mother a real disgrace and it looks like you've been had!"
>>48046438
proactive hand disruption at 2 or 3 would probably make priest playable while not making zoo tier 0
>>48045334
>>48045762
I really hope the story has the natives of Innistrad defeating Emmy with SCIENCE! instead of the Jacetice league.
That would be so cool.
>>48045334
>The designs and schematics came to him in a dream
>fusing living flesh to artifice
>fusing spirits to artifice
>invented soul extractors
>experimented on both the living and the dead to create monstrosities
Guys Ludevic is a phyrexian.
>>48046499
Guess what
>>48046518
Imagine if we had New Phyrexia come to Innistrad instead of Lamerakul.
>>48046419
I can guarantee you that we'll get some more kooks from other planes like Grixis and Esper as well as members of the once-Sultai and other planes that seem appealing.
>>48046529
No, I mean I know they are there, but I want them to be thwarted, and for all the mad scientists to take over. Walkers should stick to other walkers, SCIENCE! can take care of the rest.
>>48046518
I want a side-set in a year where Phyrexia and the Eldrazi are having giant monster smackdown cagematches against each other and four of the worst planeswalkers are just dicking around throughout the process.
>>48046529
Surely WoTC will hear the backlash this is getting
>>48046560
This is what the Duel Decks should be; fanfic-tier all-star throwdowns. Ugin vs Bolas. Eldrazi vs Phyrexia. WORLDS COLLIDE
Instead we have... Nissa vs Ob Nixilis.
>>48046560
You mean a dual deck set? Maybe.
We're most likely going to get a Sorin vs Nihiri duel deck set between Innistrad and Kaladesh.
>>48046546
The Aether Revolt could be Phyrexia.
>>48046546
Imagine both came, but had conflicts of interest. Zombies/Science vs Neo-Phyrexia vs Eldrazi vs Jacetice League + Werewolfs vs Saint Taft/Thalia rebels/humans/spirits vs Vampires+Sorin in all out brawl.
>>48046562
Not that it will change anything, even if Wizard wanted. All blocks are planned and designed several months in advance
>>48046601
>The Phyrexian Negator has big ol' tiddies
This changes everything
>>48045334
>Cyborg werewolves
Radical. Might be difficult to get going, but 2 mana for a 5/5 is pretty sweet.
>>48046603
There's potential there
>plane based on artifact technology
>scientists hear of planeswalkers and other planes
>create some sort of dimensional portal
the theme of the second part of the block is REVOLT though so I'm expecting some sort of underground force to rise up or something like that.
>>48046184
Shit, I'd settle for them becoming the designated Team Rocket of the setting - more or less ridiculous, recurring villains that constantly stir shit up for the heroes to fix whenever there isn't a bigger plotline to follow and who occasionally help out a more threatening villain or help the heroes thwart one out of necessity. I want to see Geralf Snidely Whiplashing it up on Ravnica or something, only for Gisa to fuck it up for him for no raisin.
>>48046609
That would be such a huge clusterfucker, I love it.
Also, Sorin's fucking up. I have a feeling he's going to die.
>>48046619
They're venom sacs.
>>48046687
Those are some perky venom sacs.
>>48046687
Hey man you can tell yourself that if that's what gets you off.
>>48046499
I want Ludevic to accidentally a geist fuelled Sylex blast
>>48046666
>designated Team Rocket
>the ding and flash of light when they fly off into the distance isn't then actually flying off, it's them warping into their interplanar frankenship.
What would happen if ludevic tried designing a sex bot?
>>48046666
>6666
Confirmed for happening!
Actually, speaking of Ravnica... why doesn't Jace use the guilds nor their resources, being guildpact and all, when he's trying to do stuff on Zendikar and now Innistrad?
>>48046795
Pick one:
>A skaab sucks you off
>Some random screaming head inside a weird robotic abomination sucks you off
>Ghost blowjob, WOO WOO
>A wolf head inside a robot bites it off
>>48046795
You'd get a wailing monstrosity of metal and enslaved souls with fifty different hoses, tubes, fondling extremities, and penis-tipped tendrils, designed to make you cum fifteen times in ten minutes. And restrain you if necessary.
>>48046795
You didn't see the new card? It is in the OP, man.
>>48045334
>>48046316
Its not located in their brains retard, its attached to their soul. Jin gitaxis' master plan to become the lord of new phyrexia was foiled by this exact thing.
>>48046795
You get an artifact creature with Phasing, next question.
Though to be honest if you wanted Ludevic to make a ground to air missile, you could request an ornamental fountain and still get what you were after.
>>48046795
What do you think OP is?
so we can safely assume that wish girl adopts harmless kitten and they both live happily ever blgoghklghlglhglhghl. right?
>>48046687
It can drain my venom sac any day.
How did the teddy bear get in the well in the first place?
>>48046847
Also I have the perfect idea for how orders are sent across the frankenship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeidYPV0Zog
I present...the skelephone!
>>48046562
>backlash
You don't understand. They want money.
Planeswalker cards get big money.
So, like, Hanweir. I've been thinking about that for a few days now and that's kind of fucked up.
>>48046875
A tentacle slipped
>>48046829
So what you're saying is, I've got a 100% chance of finishing. Sign me up!
>>48045823
>a mutated pig is almost as strong as Emrakul now
Nice job wizards
>>48046983
It's a metaphor for the MRA movement.
>>48046990
Everything's metaphor for the MRA movement with you, even coconuts.
>>48046936
Well, yeah, I mean that's the point of having jellyfish cthulhu fuse a town and its inhabitants into a big gluey monster, right?
>Murder reprint
>because we don't want any 3 mana instant removal spells for planeswalkers cause muh planeswalkers
Thanks wotc I really enjoy playing GW tokens in standard forever
>>48046936
A writhing township would probably be interesting to talk to
>>48045427
>"Ted...dy..." - It That Fetches Bear
>>48045872
I do like how it's colorless so I can Ancient stirrings for it and abuse all the wonderful colorless mana lands to make it cost fucking nothing, gonna meme hard with it in meme dragon highlander too.
>>48047011
And especially Phyrexian Negator's epic venom sacs.
>>48047092
>It's a green gets better card advantage and card selection then blue does episode
STOP
>>48047092
I don't get what's happening in this card
>>48046855
wish girl is a 3/2
>>48047013
True, but it just makes me wonder about the people who have to be on the bottom.
>>48047058
According to the Hanweir Chronicles people in the ooze could individually address others, at least in the beginning. I'm not so sure now, though.
>>48045572
The pact has been struck.
>>48047119
Girl wishes for her teddy bear back, which fell into a well
Wish gets granted
>>48045629
The best part of this is the guy's thumb bandage.
>>48046204
People who look for any excuse to call Wizards or Rosewater "kikes", despite the fact that they don't get any more or less money from making minor Limited decisions like that.
>>48045823
Meh. Easy viscerals.
>>48047134
It's basically something like a localized instrumentality for these folks or that one shadow monster from Nier that was made up of xenophobic villagers.
>>48047138
DEEPEST
LOOOOOORE
>>48047138
That's sweet.
Is she trying to ally with the girl or is it a
>"I didn't want to get you this teddy bear or anything... our goals just aline ba-ba-baka"
>>48045572
I thought it was implying the turned still had some leftover sentience.
>>48047138
she was holding the bear in the first card
>>48047138
>>48047178
>>48047187
Look at the wish card, she's holding the bear.
>>48045572
It's noting that Innistrad is having an effect on Emrakul, and it's not just Emrakul trying to eat all of Innistrad. She's being assimilated into the plane, instead of the way Zendikar just rejected Ulamog and Kozilek, presumably because there's something about Eldrazi horrors that belong there in a certain way.
>>48046619
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed.
Why are there so few actual spoilers posted in this thread? I just see the art.
>>48047261
This is the best headcanon.
>>48047261
Or maybe the Soul of Innstrad just really, REALLY, wants to get laid.
So is this a strictly better or worse birthing pod?
>>48047187
The eldrazi is the girl
>>48047278
Because Mythicspoilers.com is a thing.
>>48047315
Birthing Pod is repeatable without needing more copies. This is not.
It's an alternative, since it skips 2 costs ahead instead of just the one from Birthing Pod, while having the downside of being a Sorcery instead of an Artifact.
>>48047315
Strictly more legal in modern
>>48047261
>Zendikar physically fought the Eldrazi influence
>Innistrad isn't fighting back
>It's accepting the horrors instead
>>48047310
This is like one of the Soul of Innistrad's chinese porn cartoon
>>48047368
>Innistrad is lying down and taking it
What a slut.
>>48047315
Worse. Way worse.
>Not repeatable
>Doesn't curve nicely from dork-dude-finks-rhino
>Exiles itself, so can't eternal witness or loop it.
>Sorcery, so no instant activation
It's lame
>>48047390
What if it's a trap and Innistrad hasvagina dentataon a planar scale?
>>48047315
>Sorcery instead of a permanent
>"Better or worse"
>>48047350
You're also not strictly limited to chaining upwards. You can Eldritch Evolution a 3 mana creature and get a three mana creature.
>>48047333
But I'm lazy.
>>48047405
pod was sorcery speed too, turn down your nostalgia vision.
>>48047423
I thought you meant what if the SoI was a trap and I gotta say I'm upset you didn't finish it that way.
>>48047437
OH shit, you're right. Well 3/4 ain't bad.
>>48047423
I wouldn't matter because Emrakul is a girl.
>>48045527
Please let the non liliana planeswalker be Ludevic please.
>>48047315
I'd say it's worse but it's legal in modern so it doesn't really matter
The ability to grab any creature under X is pretty great though. Sacc'ing a kitchen fink with this lets you get pretty much fuck every creature in your deck in Abzan company for 3 mana.
but it's not >MUH POD so obviously it's a trash tier rare that will never play ever in any format
>>48047520
Wouldn't Ludevic will be blue though, maybe BU if wizards push it.
New Tibalt card spoiler when?
>>48047405
And the upsides
>cheaper overall
>three options as compared to one
>birthing pod isn't instant speed either
Another downside
>you have to splash for G, birthing pod can go anywhere if you pay the life
>>48047523
>that will never play ever in any format
>EDH
>>48047532
Ludevic is definitely black and blue.
>>48047582
He's only been on one black card. Every other is monoblue.
>>48047532
What if he's more of a red artificer? Slap on some black to represent amorality and madness, finally a RB character that isn't all "FITE ME FGT I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK LOL"
>>48047520
No. Bunnygirl or bust.
>>48047557
Three options?
>>48047591
You think a hero like him cares about ethics? He's like a Mengele with a sense of humour.
>>48047601
>What if the character from the Blue/Black faction who's primarily been on monoblue cards was a Red/Black character?
Anon, is part of your brain literally broken?
>>48047601
Because Ludvic has always been established using blue cards.
>>48047603
Tamiyo hasn't changed since her original appearance.
>>48047603
Oops, I'm retarded. It's less than or equal to X + 2. Much more flexible.
>>48047625
I know it doesn't make sense from all the cards and people he's involved with, but come on, a self taught mad genius who does what he wants has got to be a bit red
>>48047644
>implying she won't get a card after being instramental in the story of SoI
>>48047644
Different cards of the same person aren't because they've changed, it's just the same person at different points in time
Like, Niv-Mizzet probably didn't change that much between OG Ravnica and Return
>>48047557
Okay, so maybe it's closer to a lateral movement? Slightly more options at the cost of a card?
The more I think about a lot of cards in this set, the more I really like most of them.
>>48045334
Here's an idea for a deck.
>4 Simian Spirit Guide
>4 Burning-Tree Emissary
>4 Nest Invader
>4 Priest of Urabrask
>4 Lupine Prototype
>4 Myr Superion
>2-3 Geosurge
>2-3 Avaricious Dragon
The objective is to dump your entire hand onto the field ASAP and just alpha strike with everything, using Avaricious Dragon to refill your hand back up.
>>48047711
In some scenarios, mainly EDH, it's more useful to have a low CMC tech creature instead of a big dumb creature. This thing is a combo machine, honestly it needs the exile clause. Otherwise it'd be really easy to loop.
>>48047315
Neither, and stop abusing strictly better/worse like that.
>>48047567
However, EDH has Birthing Pod, Natural Order, and Yisan. It works as an extra copy if you need one, though.
>>48047677
Jace didn't get a card after being instrumental to the story of BfZ.
>>48047783
He got a card in SoI, though, where he was arguably a bigger part of the story.
>>48047734
Just stick it in a Dredge/Zombie Infestation deck.
>>48047795
If I wanted to play Dredge/Zombie Infestation then I'd play Dredge/Zombie Infestation.
>>48047644
That's not how it works. Also, she's clearly been through a shitload.
>>48047779
Can't have too many creature tutors.
>>48047783
That's because he'd just gotten two cards and was about to get another in SOI.
>>48047845
If we are getting a blue Planeswalker I prefer Ludevic to Tamiyo.
>>48047133
Oh... Oh shit. Dat throwback
>>48045334
>giant wolf robot that can tank a lightning bolt
This is Metal as fuck
>>48047879
What gives you asny indication Ludevic is a planeswalker? With the amount of dangerous shit that;s happening on Innistrad noq and the shit going on in the original Innisatrad block, there was enough shit to ignite 30 sparks. Ludevic hasn't he's survived some of Innistrad's most traumatic events. I think it's fairly unlikely he'd be a planeswalker.
>>48047970
>dozens of people and a few assorted monsters have rocketed across the multiverse
Sounds like Innistrad pulled the total planeswalker count a little higher after Garruk savaged his way through them.
>>48047970
At this point, he won't even need to become a Planeswalker in order to achieve the same level of powers planeswalkers wield, all he needs to do is fine alternative scientific means.
>>48045334
Hehe. Wolfenstein.
>>48047779
>stop abusing strictly better/worse like that
Fuck you faggot
>>48047970
He may well not have personally be in harm's way at any point until recently, just from pure luck. Or hell, considering how not very sane he seems to be, the various things he's encountered may well have just not been traumatic enough to trigger it until Emrakul showed up. Or perhaps he was a planeswalker already and happens to like Innistrad, and just decided to pack his bags and get out while the going's good, now that Emrakul's in town. Lots of possible reasons.
Nissa lived on Zendikar, another plane where literally everything is trying to kill you constantly, and it wasn't until her vision of the Eldrazi that she ignited.But knowing Wizards, he's going to either be dead or an Eldrazi Horror
>>48048065
>The SCIENCE! crew build the Weatherlight 2.0 and go around messing with shit on other planes.
I'm down for it.
I know "muh playable in edh" is a meme here now, but seriously, more tutors in white is a nice addition to EDH.
>>48048106
Why does the black lady have a stupid afro-centric hair? This is some Martin Lawrence levels of black knight depiction.
>>48048065
Could he make an artificial spark?
>>48048158
Yawgmoth did, but that was before the Mending.
>>48048072
kek
>>48048174
No, Yawgmoth never did.
>>48048158
>mfw Ludevic uses the Soul Seperator to steal Nahiri's Spark after the Jacewatch deals with her
>>48048174
Yawgmoth tried but couldn't manage it.
Doesn't help that he vivisected the first planeswalker he was left alone with.
>>48048241
i like how we went from eldrazi/mutant people
to just flat snake people
>>48048241
>48048241
>Gisa's crazy eyes filled with inspiration
>Geralf's half-caring attitude
>Sneks
I like this
I like this alot
Eldrazi-zombie hybrid army with Ludvic's Weatherlight 2.0 express is all but confirmed.
>>48048123
You realize that without hair products, all black people grow afros right?
>>48045334
>not running this in vampires
They piss away their hand like madmen so this should fit right in.
>>48048283
It does make me wonder if there's a Zombie Eldrazi (note what order I put that in) card out there.
>>48048241
>Geralf just looking vaguely disgusted by the snake people
Probably thinking something along the lines of "man, Emrakul sucks at making servants, I could do so much better."
>>48048241
Gisa looks like snake people might just be her fetish. Or maybe killing them is.
In fact, if I were Emrakul I would be very fucking worried about trying to suck up Innistrad after what happened to Kozilek and Ulamog when they got chained down to Zendikar. If there is a plane that could eat an Eldrazi whole and survive, it's the black-hearted death plane.
>>48048241
I bet Gisa fucks like a tiger.
>>48048295
Doesn't change my question one bit. Also fuck this captcha.
>>48048359
What *kind* of tiger?
>>48046795
Try imagining the dwarves from Oglaf and pic related combined
>>48048308
Who cares about standard? I wanna be a madman and play this fucker in modern affinity. Or better yetplay it as super spicy sideboard tech in burn
>>48045792
>ludevic makes an giant mech to fight the eldrazi
>>48048379
Zombie tiger, obviously.
>>48048370
Okay I'll answer your question
Wotc made her black to be inclusive, spread blacks people throughout random cards in the set
And some of these people aren't going to have buzz cuts or cornrows
The result is "Afrocentric Martin Lawrence-tier" hair
>>48048379
Anundead tiger.
>>48048241
I love Gisa's shovel. I like to think that its her equivalent of a Magic wand that she can also uses as an axe because she's a fucking 3/4.
>>48048206
>>48048244
Wait, you're right. He figured out how to travel between planes, but didn't recreate the spark wholesale.
>>48046983
>an extension of Emrakul is almost as strong as Emrakul
>>48046983
And Worldspine Wurm could clobber Emmy to death at this point and that thing is basically a overgrown worm.
Are full spoilers out tomorrow?
>>48046183
Murder is already a 5 cent card you poor
>>48048769
Considering Liliana is on Monday, no
>>48045823
Fuck that card looks gruesome!
>>48045334
Plot Twist: Ludvic is actually Gisa and Geralf's father
>>48048825
I mean, it's confirmed that both of their parents are dead, and Gisa in fact raised them at some point during one of the stories and sent them over to Geralf.
>>48048866
But this is Ludvic we are talking about, he clearly found a way.
Is Ludevic the newest meme character?
>>48048932
>>48048825
Because of what >>48048866 said, I think that's unlikely.
A more likely twist is that Ludevic isa planeswalker.
>>48046936
This set really went all out on the body horror
>>48045560
This is legit the most interesting Eldrazi have ever been to me and I liked them before (due to nostalgia from original Zendikar being my first set.)
>>48045560
>>48048983
I fucking hated Eldrazi from the minute they showed up until now.
>>48046362
Now this is awesome
>>48048769
Full spoilers are the Monday of prerelease week. It'll be the 11th.
>>48049031
Gay
>>48048596
And even that was via portals - he couldn't just will himself onto another plane personally, he had to use a device to do so
>>48048964
That or lyanna mormont
>>48049118
Who?
I just meant an unimportant flavourtext character that gets the Chuck Norris treatment for all of two months and is then forgotten about.
>>48049133
Noyan Dar was a meme character for years before he got a card. Ludevic can happen, you just have to believe.
>>48045334
That card art is the apotheosis of the entire Space Wolves chapter
>>48049133
Well, he was around both original Innistrad AND Magic the Origins as far as flavour text, and his cards have been memorable.
>>48047166
There's so many more 'best parts' than that.
>>48049217
I think I would have liked the image better if the cat didn't have any mutation.
>>48049217
>tfw no qt eldrazi cat to cuddle
>>48049234
It's less mutated than most things were in Shadows, nevermind what we're seeing in Moon. It's probably one of the least mutated things around other than Named Characters (who have plot armor and thus are mutation proof, unless of course they're doomed to be mutated in which case they get all the mutation)
What if, Gisa and Geralf both end up having their sparks awaken?
>>48049217
I didn't notice that his other hand was bitten, or the back leg. But I did notice the tail.
>>48049234
Nah, then it would just be a weirdo giving someone a cat. I would have liked a vestigial tentacle or a third eye instead of the snake tail. The snake stuff seems weird, and it's in Gisa and Geralf, too.
>>48049391
What if not every character needs to be a Planeswalker?
>>48049437
>not every character needs to be a Planeswalker?
Protagonists do
>>48049234
>>48049437
I think it would have been good with a more subtle mutation, like just the back leg, or maybe off-colored eyes.
The tail feels too obvious.
>>48049480
Cats always have off colour eyes. I don't mind it being a more obvious mutation (after all, it needs to visually read well on a two inch image)
>>48049480
Would you really have noticed just the leg on the card though?
>>48048241
JUST STEAL MY SHIT SENPAI
>>48048359
Everytime I see that kind of post it reminds me there was a girl who looked like Gisa and was probably at least half as crazy who wanted to fuck me but it never happened because she didn't dare to outright tell it to me and now I'm in relationship and don't want to fuck it up, and I am a bit sad it never happened.
But if I ever break up with my girlfriend I'm going to get after that sweet Gisa lookalike ass. She's even got the crazy smile and sometimes wear the same kind of gothic dress.
>>48048241
Emmy wasn't able to corrupt and drive Gisa, Geralf, and Ludevic crazy... BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY CRAZY
>>48049582
Correct.
>>48049557
Bloodborne invented Snake people.
Unpopular opinion: I don't think she's retrieving the bear.
I think she's gently setting it at the bottom of the well.
Because I am a glass-half-empty sort of person.
>>48049687
That makes the flavor text make less sense
>>48047261
You're probably right but that won't stop me.
>>48047135
There you go. I never said I was good. Can I have my kidney back now?
>>48049777
Shhhhhhh Kamigawa doesn't exist. Everyone knows that Lorwyn was the very first set in magic.
>>48049835
what about mirrodin and dominaria?
>>48046140
>playing a meme format like modern
>le solitary storm every game
Epic.
>>48049861
Fanfiction. Except for when WotC made mirrodin official by canonizing it with new phyrexia.
>>48047261
>It's noting that Innistrad is having an effect on Emrakul
How is this implied?
>desires simply align to her will
The implications are
>emrakul has a will
and
>the desires of her subjects change to reflect that will
It never implies emrakul's will is changing at all, or that her subjects have an impact on her will- it's the other way around.
>>48049777
Kamigawa was such a rad set flavor-wise
>>48049835
Wasn't Maralen or someone the protagonist there? The planeswalkers were just there to be on cards. Or maybe they just plain weren't on the plane, canonically. I don't remember.
>>48049898
So was lorwyn, but apparently, we're the minority, as those two sets completely bombed in wotc's market research. We will never go back to the best flavor sets.
>>48049687
>return a creature or land card from your graveyard to your hand
>Represented by putting a teddy bear down a well
Doesn't make sense with lining up the flavor and mechanics.
>>48049898
kamigawa lore was bitter for me. The suffering that bring the kami wars on mortals since they cant do shit to fight the kamis.
>>48049939
Both sets have some really trash cards in them, and a bunch of mechanics that just straight up blow.
Splice into arcane is actually an amazing ability, the problem is that 90% of the cards with splice/ are arcane are kinda shitty.
>>48049960
She is reaching in to pick back up her coin anon.
>>48049821
Good stuff.
Horror Omake is my weakness.
>>48049777
And for God's sake Gerrard Capashen
wait wut? I thought humans and company won the kami wards. Didnt they?
>>48046184
>>Ludevic finds a way to planeswalk
>>By building a giant ship out of robots and body parts
> The giant ship is actuallyEmrakul dead body, repurposed to form blind eternities-proof hull.
>>48049898
>>48049939
Kamigawa and Lorwyn bombed because Kamigawa tanked the power level of its cards in a panic after Mirrodin and Ravnica, and Lorwyn followed Time Spiral, a set that alienated many new players even if it's beloved in retrospect, and Lorwyn itself also had its share of problems in practice because all the tribal interactions caused a lot of headaches regarding complex board states.
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT WEEABU KAMIGAWA AND EUROSHIT LORWYNI love those places and given rtr, bfz and innistrad, if we go back they ruin the places for me by making them shit flavor, and mechanics
>>48050028
sort of. The kami only stopped fucking everyone up because the humans realized they had stolen something important to them, and then used that stolen item to create a super kami that brought balance back to everything. If anything it was a tie, that everyone knows the Kami would have won eventually.
>>48049996
>She is reaching in to pick back up her coin anon.
Yes, I know. Reread >>48049687 to put >>48049960 in context.
>>48050027
>>48049777
>>48049835
Talking about older sets doesn't really mean anything for current sets. Non-planeswalkers will always be side characters while Planeswalkers will always be the protagonists and viewpoint characters.
But Ludevic isn't a protagonist or viewpoint character to begin with. Has he even been in anything other than flavourtext?
>>48049821
>that bird's tongue
>That hand coming out of the ... goat? Horse?
>>48050064
Explain this to me?
>>48050063
>given rtr, bfz and innistrad
Oh no, you don't like three if the most successful blocks for the company. How sad for you.
>>48050158
>>given rtr, bfz and innistrad
>Oh no, you don't like three if the most successful blocks for the company. How sad for you.
>success = profit = quality
I bet you think pop music is the best thing in the world because it makes some of the most money.
>>48050179
And things don't suck just because they're popular, either.
>>48046184
I want this to be a webcomic.
>>48049391
> Somehow, they have to share the same spark.
> "Even with countless worlds at our disposition, you still manage to get under my feet!"
>>48050193
No. But rtr was a shit story pushing jace to be the posterboy, gatecrash was a disaster. Bfz set had broken stuff which they knew about but made anyways just to make it modern appealing, as well it's jacetice league is a hot pile of trash. Innistrad is a welcomed mess of pushing both eldrazi and soon jacetice league.
This are shit because they are shit. They sold a lot but that doesn't male them good quality. I hope they never go back to kamigawa or lorwyn because then they'll push the old mechanics in dumbed down low power ways
>>48050263
I dread a return to Lorwyn. Magic Origins showed that they probably wouldn't keep the old style if Boggart Brute was any indication, and I'm sure they'd find some way to make it all about Nissa tying up loose ends and Chandra finding her inner flame with Cinders or Jace investigating the secret of changelings or whatever until Phyrexia shows up to stamp on everything interesting. Then we'll get Gideon to make an inspiring speech, have them kill all the invaders, and wave farewell to the wasteland behind them as they make another friendship speech.
No thank you.
>>48050263
I honestly wish people would stop complaining about Jace.
Innistrad is also awesome.
I honestly hate seeing this kind of attitude all the damned time in every Magic thread.
>>48050263
>kamigawa
>not having an embarrassingly low power level
> not filled with useless garbage and parasitic mechanics appealing only to edh hipsters
>>48050305
You're not alone, I've never felt Jace was especially pushedbut then I was on a mtg hiatus during return to ravnica.
>>48050263
>>48050351
If we ever go back to Kamigawa, they'd probably put in tons of tournament-defining cards to make up for the old world only a few loved.
>>48045334
I hope they reprint Fling for this
>>48050305
I just get a bit sick of seeing him over and over with how bland he usually is. Theros and Tarkir was a nice break from him, though I feel like they're just making up for lost time now. If they want him in, at least make him every other set.
And just to be clear, I don't really hate Jace. It just feels like he gets really boring when they use him too much, and he takes away space that could be used for other Blue-walkers.
>>48050158
Lord Konda had stolen a child from the supreme kami, using his daughter's birth and some magical mojo jojo to do it.
Anyways, kami begin totally destroying humanity over the process of a couple decades, while Konda's daughter grows up.
Eventually, She realizes what was going on, and with some help, frees the supreme kami's child, who takes on her form. They merge into a spirit/human hybrid, and kill the supreme kami, and punish konda. Now they maintain the barrier between human and spirit worlds, because they are the god of the barrier.
>>48050380
I thought him being the Living Guildpact was dumb specifically because I felt he wasn't pushed enough.
Although now I feel it's dumb because he's off saving Zendikar and for like no reason on Innistrad and YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO.
Why *is* he on Innistrad in the first place?
>>48050414
Like I said, I don't really feel like he's been the most pushed character at all. He's not even that bad a character from what I can tell.
More blue walkers would be nice, though. I'd like a set where ALL the Walkers are new faces. Although admittedly there are already too many Planeswalkers we'll never see again.
>>48050387
If we ever go back to kamigawa, it will have an aesthetic similar to Duel Masters.
>>48050455
>They merge into a spirit/human hybrid, and kill the supreme kami, and punish konda.
Did this thing get a card?
>>48050456
>>48050414
Simple solution: replace jace with tamiyo in the story.
Of course, they're going to kill tamiyo off this set to make the Jacetice league seem powerful when they ultimately defeat emrakul.
>>48050456
He's not bad exactly, more that there's only so much I can watch of him being clever and solving puzzles before I'd want to watch something else.
A set full of fresh walkers would be nice, although really all they need to do for that is dip into the massive pool of planeswalkers we already have and just throw them somewhere new.
>>48050485
Nope.
>>48050486
Exactly. Jace is superfluous in this story. Tamiyo already had the mystery solved. At best she just needed a bit more nudging to try and fix things, but it's things like that which tick me off about jace.
>>48050485
No. Demon Hidetsugu didn't get a card either(he killed the god of oni and took its power, then turned the kami of the crescent moon into shredded paper).
>>48050456
I would make a set were a band of evil second rate planeswalkers fuck up a plane for shit and mana, using local politics to fuck over everyone. Until the natives get their shits together and kick their tyrannic asses.
Maybe it could calm down the "fuck planeswalkers" crowd for a time.
>>48048241
Are they gonna make it? Are they gonna be OK?
>>48050528
Yawgmoth was basically some nobody that did some politics and random shit and became arguably one of the strongest villains in mtg history without being a planeswalker
>>48050486
>>48050506
Except that the mystery of what Tamiyo found was sort of important. Stop hating on Jace pointlessly.
Also, no dead moonbunny.
>>48050528
I hate the Jacetice League meme, but an actual Legion of Doom arc would be fucking amazing.
>>48050558> Geralf die to save Gisa.> Gisa raise him from the dead.> She stares at him, now brainless and silent.> "It's no longer fun anymore."
>>48050633
>Except that the mystery of what Tamiyo found was sort of important
Would the story have changed in any meaningful way if we were instead following Tamiyo as she was investigating it the first time around?
>>48050669
Yes.
For one thing, "I found this mysterious journal and the mystery is driving me nuts" is very Lovecraftian.
"I need to figure out what this other person figured out" isn't exactly an unheard of storytelling trope.
>>48050683
Yeah, but usually it doesn't result in the person who figured out first being totally fine and in control, and the second person just uselessly dragging on them.
I missed most stuff of BfZ block. The only thing I know is Newlamog and Newzilek are fried.
How fucked is Zendikar? Is the entire world dust already or is there still places with vegetation? Are eldrazis still roaming?
>>48050807
A lot of it is fucked, but it's regrowing itself via Zendikar Bullshit and there's a decent bit left.
Since old walkers could create artificial planes from mana (?) could planeswalker now "dissolve" a plane back to mana?
I think that'd make a cool Nicol bolas story arc
>>48050683
Would the story have changed meaningfully if it was tamiyo investigating a journal?
>>48050849
Planeswalkers are nowhere near that powerful as that anymore.
>>48049473
Gisa and Geralf are both non walker characters, same with the whole Weatherlight crew, everyone in the storyline of Lorwyn...can't tell if you're trolling or just stupid.
>>48050889
Gisa and Geralf are meme characters and not important.
>>48050414
Fun fact: Since Planeswalkers debuted, he's had cards in four non-core sets, and been in four blocks storywise (with those each being different)
Cardwise, he was in Lorwyn (where it was just His Card, like the other four), Worldwake, Return to Ravnica, and now Shadows, while storywise he's only been part of the Zendikar, Return to Ravnica, Battle for Zendikar, and Shadows of Innistrad blocks.
The actual problem is that he was in every fucking core set, frequently with a new iteration, on top of those appearances, so he seemed to show up more than he actually did - and hell, despite being broken as hell, the bane of standard, and eventually banned, he did very little in original Zendikar, only having a bit part plotwise.
>>48050894
>best girl is not important
>>/out/
>>48050894
>not important
you take that back right now
>>48050886
It's interesting that nahiri was effected by the mending while in the helvault. I haven't read back to what the mending actually did but I'm assuming that sparks are tethered to something that allows planeswalkers to do what they do?
>>48050906
>>48050908
They aren't.
At best they'll get killed offscreen.
>>48050906
>>48050908
She's not even top ten.
>>48050894
>counter argument is presented
>"meme characters"
Daxos also was no Planeswalker, nor were Bosh, Glissa or Slobad, just to name a few.
>>48050906
>best girl
>notEmmy-chan
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>>48050745
Usually the second person does end up a bit worse for wear. Though Tamiyo seems to be resilient to We'mrakul's effects.
>>48050881
Now you're basically just saying "I don't like Jace".
>>48050889
>>48050894
The Weatherlight doesn't really count. That was years ago, before the current way of doing things. Gisa and Geralf also aren't "protagonists". The main characters of this arc are Jace, Tamiyo, Liliana, Nahiri, and Sorin. Everyone else is a side character. Interesting to follow, but not the focus.
>>48050901
He, Chandra, and Lili are the only of the original five still around, and Chandra hasn't gotten a good card and Lili is someone everyone likes, too. Jace is more pushed by haters than Wizards, even when he has been around the most.
>>48050924
Weren't Glissa and Slobad going to become walkers, just the memnarch fucked them or something?
>>48050924
>Slobad died offscreen right after the mirrodin block ended
>Glissa just went on to become a phyrexian with no real weight to it
>Bosh also died
>Daxos is legitimately the only important one
1 for 4 ain't terrible but it's hardly good batting there familypai.
>>48050936
Is right.
Thalia, Gisa, Geralf, etc - these characters are bit characters who are not at all important.
>>48050936
What did jace add to the story? Because as I see it, he took away from it. Tamiyo was refreshing and more interesting than Jace, because she hasn't be used as much. Giving her more screen time this block would have been the better choice.
>>48050912
The Mending was basically a multiversal physics rewrite. No amount of hiding in demiplanes or other fuckery is getting around it, it's How The Spark Works Now
>>48050924
Those were before the current way of doing things. Why does no one understand that? It's like pointing to Urza's Saga and arguing that something should be in-colour.
>>48050957
>No real weight
It's honestly pretty important that our hero became a villain.
I also wouldn't say these people are "bit characters", but they're definitely C-plot, with two groups of planeswalkers being A and B plot.
>>48050964
Jace added to the story by being out viewpoint character and protagonist. It would have been a very different story if we followed Tamiyo directly. Hell, Liliana wouldn't have been in it, for one.
>>48050957
Glissa was one of the main targets Memnarch had and their doing had tremendous impact on how Mirrodin turned out.
Drana and Tazri also played important roles in Zendikar's story, especially Drana. She was basically the only original native, not counting Nissa, who seriously contributed to things, even more so than fucking Kiora.
> ravenman unmentioned in cards and lilis story
I was really hoping he was our hidden antagonist, orchestrating everything just to get people to crack open the moon
>>48051005
You're going to have to clarify your argument m8, because right now what you're arguing is that the reason jace being a view point character and protagonist added to the story was because it let jace be a viewpoint character and protagonist.
There are only 3 explanations for that line of thinking:
You learned english as a second language, you are having trouble expressing your thinking.
You're retarded.
You work for the MTG story department.
>>48051051
He's merely her sub-consciousness.
>>48047315
You don't seem to understand what strictly better or strictly worse means.
>>48051056
No, I'm saying that asking for someone who's basically just a random person to be our viewpoint character is dumb.
Here's my line of thinking for why you think those are the only three explanations:
You're an idiot who thinks that there are only three explanations, because you're unable to cope with complexities that aren't even that complex.
>>48051062
>>48051051
I've seen one fan theory that he was Yawgmoth.
>>48051180
Tamiyo isn't a random person though. She's been shown before, and fleshing out her character with an extensive PoV adds more than not doing anything (again) with jace's character because he's supposed to be a blank slate.
>>48051180
There are theories that Raven Man is either Urza or Yawgmoth. Either way, the reveal is going to somehow be disappointing.
>>48045334
Ah, so much fuel for my madness deck.
>>48051215
She showed up basically on a card and did nothing. She's now getting fleshed out. Jace isn't even a blank fucking slate, come on, man, call a doctor about your hateboner if it lasts for more than four sets.
>>48051216
I think that Raven Man isan ultimately unimportant backstory character like all the other ones.
>>48051342
Not the same anon, but you don't understand what "blank slate character" means, do you?
>>48047523
>Remember when they said that about Naheree
tutors and toolbox are powerful in standard/modern, because those formats are subpar to eternal formats
>>48051342
I think the problem anon is that Jace has lasted more than 4 sets, to the exclusion of developing other, interesting characters with personality.
>>48050912
Now that would have made for an interesting plot. If Nahiri had been an untainted Godwalker from her stay in the vault, it could have finally tied the storyline back to Bolas, since what he wants is to get back to pre-Mending Godwalker mode. It could even have culminated in his plan being to steal the Spark from her or something.
>>48051475
>Bolas mindswaps himself with Nahiri
>The mind of a villain in the body of a waifu, an unstoppable combination
>>48050901
He was in RTR block twice
>>48050936
Garruk and Ajani are still around, we just don't know where they are right now
>>48051575
No, it just feels like it. He was in RTR as Architect of Thought and then M15 as Living Guildpact. The Duel Decks might have also contributed to it.
>>48051618
There's also a book-exclusive Jace for RTR.
>>48051601
That's a good point. Where's Garruk? It seems like he'd be super down to hunt some of the most dangerous game: Emrakul.
>>48051618
Meanwhile every other Walker is the protagonist of one block at best
>>48051683
>All the shit is happening on Innistrad
>Right before Jacetice League's new allies, Liliana and Nahiri, finish Emrakul off...
>Garruk shows up, completely ruins the dramatic moment, and kill or scares Emrakul out of the plane.
Goddamn Captcha keeps breaking.
>>48051722
Elspeth was the protagonist of 2. Sorin sort of had 2 in Zendikar and Innistrad.
>>48051663
Book Jace is from Agents of Artifice, not RtR.
>>48051722
'cept chandra
>>48051798
Different Jace, the one I refer to is alt art Jace with already existing abilities.
>>48051772
Scars was more about Venser and Koth
>>48051821
yeah but Chandra's block is next.
>>48051722
>Ajani
>Alara
>Theros
>Elspeth
>Alara
>Scars
>Theros
>Gideon
>Zendikar
>RtR
>BfZ
>Jace
>Zendikar
>RtR
>BfZ
>SoI
>Liliana
>Innistrad
>SoI
>Nissa
>Zendikar
>BfZ
>Sarkhan
>Alara
>Zendikar
>Tarkir
>Tezzeret
>Alara
>Scars
He's in the lead, but he's not the only one to get a role in more than one block.
>>48051837
Yes. But lorwyn came out in 2007
In the time that it took chandra to get her story block, every other member of the lorwyn 5 had their story, had a secondary story featureing them, and in the case of two walkers, got the replaced by other walkers who also had their story block and a block with them as an auxillary character
>>48051829
Yes, that's the one from Agents of Artifice.
>>48051863
I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD TOO I KNOW YOU ARE THINKING OF THIS JACE, NOT THE ONE I AM THINKING OF!
>>48051876
WHICH ONE ARE YOU THINKING OF THEN NIGGER
>>48051243
And then I play the wolf, thanks for discarding your hand
>>48051876
Then post it.
As far as I can tell, it doesn't exist.
>>48051887
NOT HIM BUT ANIMU OR SAN DIEGO PROMO MAYBE
>>48051898
A black one?
>>48051834
All 3 of them were the protagonists but each had their focus in the book. Koth for the first third, Elspeth for the second and Venser for the last.
>>48051887
>>48051892
I was thinking of Memory Adept. Could've sworn he was given as book promo, but guess I was wrong.
>>48051911
Bitch I will fucking cut you
>>48051938
Not my fault i've been mind sculpted from all these Jaces!
>>48051862
Not just an appearance, but a protagonist role
>>48050058
Ravnica followed Kamigawa.
>>48049939
>We will never go back to the best flavor sets.
Good. No faggy planeswalkers shitting up my Fallen Empires.
>>48051365
I do. He's not really a blank slate. He's got a personality, people just act like he doesn't so they can complain.
>>48051372
>to the exclusion
But that's patently false. And he does have a personality.
>>48051475
That's dumb.
>>48051494That's hotSeriously, male dragon in a sexy kor chick's body is hot
>>48051601
I meant still around as the viewpoint characters who get cards in coresets and all that.
>>48051862
>>48051722
Jace hasn't really been THE PROTAGONIST except in SOI. And technically RTR, but, like, he didn't really even do anything, which is why him becoming the Guildpact is so dumb.
>>48051958
Jace wasn't the protagonist in Zendikar or BFZ.
>>48051829
>>48051863
>>48051874
>>48051887
>>48051911
>>48051898
>>48051904
>>48051798
>>48051663
>>48051618
Motherfucker you're thinking of the Duel Deck
>>48052117
>he didn't really even do anything
Exactly why people have a problem when he shows up so much, because he NEVER does anything. He always shows up, acts smug, things get resolved without much of his help, and he continues being a blank, boring, stand-in.
Which is only more frustrating when they had a perfect reason to use him less (being the living guildpact), and yet they seem to be ramping up his inclusion even more. Even if it isn't needed, because evidently if Jace isn't there everyone will forget what game this is.
>>48052197
I don't even mind the constant use of Jace. The Jacetice League is where I draw the line. What's the point of continually introducing new walkers if they only ever show up once and do nothing?
Does anyone care about Tibalt? Domri Rade? Ashiok? Why did they even bother introducing new characters if we're always going to return to the Gategoons?
>>48052310
Plenty of people have been asking where Tibalt is this block, and I've seen quite a few curious about just what Ashiok is doing, since they seem like a possible villain. I personally have a soft spot for Domri Rade and would love to see him expanded upon or have a big adventure.
I would have been okay with the Gatewatch if it had been mostly for the Zendikar block. Them as a concept is fine, but they shouldn't constantly being going everywhere together.
Have one or two show up in a set. Have some sets where none show up. We didn't need a block of Jace investigating to find out shit is fucked, only to call all his friends once he confirms it.
>>48052310
I forgot Domri Rade even existed, but damn I was hoping to see Tibalt in SOI. I mean we got devil tribe going and the piece of shit is nowhere to be seen. Fuck Wizards.
>>48052310
I'm with you on Ashiok and Tibalt I really like Ashiok and I'd enjoy seeing more out of ol Tibbers. Shit I wanna know if Koth is alright as well. I don't see near as many reddish walkers as I do Chandras but then again main character and all that.
>>48045878
>>48045912
I want to write a fanfic now.
A group of mirran rebels storms a Phyrexian laboratory containing a number of powerful artifacts including a prototype planar portal and... Mirrari!
Dumb luck causes the mirrans and Mirrari get pulled through the exploding portal into a random plane... Innistrad!
Through planar shenanigans, the Mirrari transforms upon arrival into... Memnarch!
Memnarch ends up becoming bros with Ludevic and the terrible two. Now Ludevic has a source of Phyrexian technology to experiment with, and Memnarch has a new base of operations. Together, they mirror Urza's saga and start preparing to invade Phyrexia.
>>48052358
Would you stay on a plane that was becoming tentacle soup?
>>48052401
And make a custom set!
Featuring artifact creature simulacrums of Kamahl and Chainer as mindless mechanical slaves to Memnarch.
And the return of Flashback as a callback to both the original Innistrad and to Odyssey.
>>48052422
And miss out on the chance to rub it in Sorin's face?
>>48052310
None of the RtR planeswalkers mattered except for Jace and maybe Ral Zarek.
I think that might be down to nothing happening until Dragon's Maze, though.
>>48052381
It doesn't help that Koth is the only other primarily red Walker
was this posted yet?
>>48052600
oh look, token decks get even stronger. what else is new?
>>48052600
>3/2
Goddamnit I was hoping to put this in Ezuri
>>48052615
>>48052626
Shut the fuck up, Elf Hitler
>>48052197
People hated him before Return to Ravnica. People hated him ever since and because of Mind Sculptor.
For fucks sake that's not even his fucking personality.
>>48052310
>>48052357
>>48052358
>>48052381
>>48052422
>>48052489
>>48052589
>What's the point of continually introducing new walkers if they only ever show up once and do nothing?
To expand the setting and make it feel like it exists beyond whoever got a card in the core set? Like, you're arguing about something that existed before the Gatewatch. If we *only* got to see the same planeswalkers over and over, it would be more boring. The only way to do that would be to literally only focus on the Gatewatch and a few others. Planeswalkers we only see once make the big expansive Multiverse feel alive and diverse. Making it so the only time someone shows up, they're going to be a recurring character would only make the stories worse and the setting feel smaller.
It's a setting that's all about journeying to different worlds. Sure, we follow a few characters around, and now they've got reason to band together and defend the Multiverse officially, but this is a road trip game. Half the fun is about seeing new people. Not all of them need to be super involved. Yeah, we should really see what Karn and Koth are up to, but we don't really need to see more of Tibalt or Domri or Ashiok or anyone else who was really just a strange new face on this multiplanar action series.
>>48052197
He doesn't act smug, actually. Flavor Text Jace and Story Jace are completely different entities - the former is Ertai Mk II, the latter is a giant nerd who can't not let go of his cloak and is hopelessly addicted to solving puzzles and mysteries and similar (which is how he got involved in RtR, BfZ, AND SoI)
>>48052600
These fuckers really will worship literally anything, won't they?
>>48052615
>>48052626
Are all the new, shitty Werewolves common?
>>48052634
He'd still be fitting. Good way to turn all your 1/1s and 2/2s into bigger creatures.
>>48052651
The complaint here is that those people keep being pushed aside in favour of newly emerged Jacetice League.
>>48052694
M-Muh triggers
>>48052600
Priest: "Look into the fountain to obtain your heart's desire"
Townsperson: "I don't see anything in h-"
Priest: "Hahaha, psyche!"
Townsperson: "Ablublublublulubl-"
>>48052651
If they really cared about making the multiverse seem large, the Gatewatch wouldn't exist(or at least be irrelevant) and we wouldn't be constantly visiting the same 6-7 planes.
>>48052737
"And that's how Eldrazi are made."
>>48052651
Well we've gone two blocks now without a new Planeswalker, coinciding with the Jacetice League's arrival
So it's not an entirely unfounded concern
>>48052763
>Well we've gone two blocks now without a new Planeswalker,
You have smoked yourself retarded.
>>48052763
...we just got Arlinn in Shadows. And we got Narset and Ugin in Tarkir. And already know we're getting a new one in Kaladesh. Only BfZ was nothing but previous walkers.
>>48052763
Who is Arlinn?
>>48052600
Pretty good desu, but I agree with >>48052613
On the other hand I got Donate today so I can't feel too bothered that Timmies get their toys too. The card's a little hard to evaluate at face value but I don't think it's good enough to show up in (m)any tier 1 decks
>>48052763
>2 blocks
>>48052651
Yeah but can't we also open up new opportunities for different planeswalkers to, y'know, do their own thing? Like what would happen if Gatewatch didn't get involved. Would the planeswalkers on Innistrad try to handle it themselves? How would that turn out? How would other circumstances turn out for other planeswalkers? This'll probably disappear after the whole eldrazi thing, but if it continues it will continue to be a bit of an issue just because oh look we're with the same character, who may grow from this or may not, but we know what their personality is going to be like and more than likely how they're gonna react to the situation. We can have one off planeswalkers but people like different planeswalkers, we'll eventually get to certain ones via planes but if we stick to the same ones all the time things will get pretty boring as every plane ending threat will require the Gatewatch, instead of say other connections.
>>48052708
Except that this shit happened before the Gatewatch existed. That's just the nature of the plot structure. Most of the Planeswalkers were always going to be one block characters. Those characters are not getting pushed aside because of the "Jacetice League" you hate so much, they were just never going to be central figures in the larger story.
>>48052751
They still want viewpoint characters. It's a road trip, not an anthology. Only three planes have been revisited (and two of them were obviously set up to be revisited from the start; they wanted to do New Phyrexia since the original Mirrodin). Since Lorwyn, we've had:
Zendikar→Mirrodin→Innistrad→Ravnica→Theros→Tarkir→Zendikar→Innistrad
The only "new modern" planes we've been back to have been Zendikar and Innistrad.
>>48052763
You're wrong, but also this is a direct sequel to Battle For Zendikar.
Also, adding to everyone else, I'd count Nahiri as a new character. Fanservice side stuff doesn't count.
>Captcha
Is anyone else getting it more fucky than usual or should I run a virus scan? I keep getting two blank boxes then finally after some clicking it acknowledge where the pop up should be.
>>48045334
https://youtu.be/vmQk07tWHzw?t=18
>>48052889
Through FIRE, JUSTICE is SERVED!
>>48052864
I don't mind recurring characters, you misunderstand. As someone who hates Jace, I liked the way he was included in SOI as a clue-solver. I just hate the way Jacetice League is set up and every block so far featuring them has not been a block that I enjoyed storywise with their inclusion.. Which is Origins, BfZ, and Oath.
>>48052864
I think when he's saying 6-7 planes, he's including stuff like Origins and M15.
Also, it's not just you having weirdness with Captcha.
>>48052908
Every block so far has been two blocks. Origins only featured their... origins.
Which I guess is sort of "proof" that Liliana will join up.
>>48052854
"Wouldn't the story be better if we didn't have our main characters?"
It would be a different story. Maybe one that you like more, but not the one they want to tell. The Planeswalkers on Innistrad other than the Gatewatch are:
>Nahiri
>Sorin
>Arlinn
>Tamiyo
>Liliana
One of them is touched by an Elder Thing and pissed, one of them is pissed, and both of them are going to war.
One of them is out of her depth and already trying her best to save her people (spoiler: They're fucked)
One of them is out of her depth
One of them is going to kill Emrakul and be the Gatewatch's Batman member
>>48052967
Eh. Those don't count. They show tons of planes. Hell, most of the coresets took place on Shandalar, and we've never had a proper story set there.
>>48052992
Since when is Batman a murderous sociopath?
>>48053017
I'm sure there's a DC universe where he is.
>>48052992
>"Wouldn't the story be better if we didn't have our main characters?"
You can't be serious with your post.
New thread with new spoiler here
>>48053067
>>48052992
Tamiyo isn't out of her depth with the nukes she's carrying. She just doesn't want to use them without a really good reason.
>>48052992
I completely understand that they're going through with this and pushing it. They made that decision back in Origins. I'm just saying it seems iffy if it's really going to be every block we're gonna focus on the main character of the 5 with supporting characters. It's fine but it's going to get old quick.
Also, out of their depth? I'm pretty sure everyone is out of their depth against the Eldrazi. Oldwalkers definitely have more of a handle on it because of experience but the fact that the main cast pulled it off was a miracle. We can see the results of failure or other possibilities.
>>48053017
He's not murderous, but are you really going to argue that the man who could probably solve poverty (and crime) in his city using his wealth, but decides to dress up in a bat costume and beat people into comas (which due to the American health care system creates more poverty and desperation) isn't a sociopath?
Also, I meant that Batman isn't technically a member of the Justice League but works with it anyway.
>>48053063
Let me rephrase:
You want the story to not focus on any recurring main characters. That's not going to happen.
>>48053086
What nukes? I actually don't really know her involvement in the story so far, other than Jace finding her journal.
>>48053125
It's been two blocks. Three if you really want to count Origins. I doubt it's going to ALWAYS be these five character's story and nothing else. There are still plotlines to tie up with Bolas and Tezzeret and Karn and Koth and so on. Did Ugin even ever do anything? I forget why Sarkhan was after him.
>Also, out of their depth? I'm pretty sure everyone is out of their depth against the Eldrazi.
All the more reason to call the Gatewatch. It was a miracle, sure, but everyone acting like it was some asspull aren't really giving them much credit. The plan was good and it worked, and the oldwalkers fucked up and had to shove the Eldrazi in a closet in the first place because Ugin was a big fat liar.
>>48053191
>I actually don't really know her involvement in the story so far, other than Jace finding her journal.
Oh, Jace meets up with her later. She cures his madness for him, tells him to go home so she doesn't have to do it again, saves his life from an Avacyn, and has a bunch of iron-banded scrolls for spells that are too dangerous for her to use.
She generally seems far better equipped to deal with these threats, and has a far better grasp on this whole investigation thing. Also, every time she used a spell, she had a little story to go with it.
It was really different, interesting, and just made me wonder why the hell we hadn't been following her investigating all of this stuff instead of watching Jace bumble into everything.
>>48053254
Because Origins.
>>48053254
Because Jace still has to be the protagonist. Tamiyo wouldn't be as interesting if we followed her from the start.
Also, in Emrakul Rises, wasn't he still hearing her voice? He even closed his eyes and listened to it to answer Tamiyo's question. Why's she immune to this stuff?
>>48053274
Hence my complaint. That they just randomly decided these people are the main characters now, and that they can't have a block without any of them.
Nevermind if Sorin is well established by now and could have this block to himself with the 'minor' planeswalkers supporting. Gotta have Jace & Friends or it ain't MAGIC
>>48053294
>Because Jace still has to be the protagonist
Why? What God wills that Jace specifically HAS TO always be a protagonist? He's not even the original face of MtG.
>>48053294
>Because Jace still has to be the protagonist.
No! He doesn't! Stop pretending like he does.
>Tamiyo wouldn't be as interesting if we followed her from the start.
Why not? Would following someone who knows more about the situation, has some background knowledge on the subject, and generally knows what they're doing be uninteresting? Does someone have to walk around and random reading a book to be interesting?
>Also, in Emrakul Rises, wasn't he still hearing her voice?
Beats me. I stopped reading by that point out of frustration with all the tedium.
>>48053300
>That they just randomly decided these people are the main characters now
Except that three of them have been main characters for a while now.
Sorin is honestly barely doing anything in this block. He barely did anything last time we were on Innistrad either. He just wanders around clueless and angry.
>>48053337
>>48053341
No, he's the current face. Whether you like it or not, he's popular. People like him. You can argue that it's just their 10 to 15 year old demographic, but that's beside the point even if it were true. The story structure they want to use needs recurring protagonists, whether you like them or not.
>Would following someone who knows more about the situation, has some background knowledge on the subject, and generally knows what they're doing be uninteresting?
Uh... yes? People who know what they're doing and how to handle the situation they're in aren't interesting viewpoint characters. That's why we focused on Jace and Sorin as protagonists instead of the other walkers.
>>48053472
>Sorin is honestly barely doing anything in this block. He barely did anything last time we were on Innistrad either. He just wanders around clueless and angry.
Sounds like an issue with the writing department, and sounds like instead of trying to awkwardly write Jace into the story they should instead focus on developing Sorin properly.
Also hi MaRo.
>>48049576
Pic or cool story 'bro.
>>48053472
>Jace is honestly barely doing anything in this block. He just wanders around clueless
FTFY
>>48050258
Love it.
>>48052694
correction, all werewolves in this suck sucks balls, fuck you wizards
>>48049687
>>48047133
>>48047092
It's pretty obvious that they are alluding to the fact that the girl fell into the well as she made the wish (it looks kinda windy too) and then the eldrazi is grabbing out the bear that fell in with her (see how its worn)
>>48053489
Yes, clearly anyone who has an opinion that isn't "those damned kikes ruined my children's card game" is Mark Rosewater.
>>48053515
Jace's wandering around clueless was finding Clues and trying to unravel the actual plot. He's moving the plot along. Sorin's wandering around for clues has been being angry at his ex (and *she* moved the plot along).
>>48045334
Any News on Nahiri? she just got interesting with the summoning Emracool I hope she gets a new planeswalker card
>>48054014
She just got a new one...
>>48050263
The story only exists to make the fact that you're doing math with pieces of cardboard more engaging.
>>48054189
She did??? where are the leaks?? Google has squat
>>48054347
In the last block, you blockhead. She's not going to get two cards in the same set, unless some Xenagos shenanigans happen.
>>48054368
She wont Xenago brah shes a Kor, she would rather die then become one, that would be a cool arc though
Oh right, I drew that card from an intro pack booster, shes been my new fav since that
tfw Nahiri comes to Harbing you
>>48047368
>Listen buddy, we've got worse shit than you on our best nights, so you can just take your place with all the other cosmic horrors here
>>48048241
I would definitely fuck Gisa
and Geralf
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