>Wizard
wahey
>>48024583
Gisa x geralf rule 34 when
>a bickering couple of necromancers fighting off eldrazi horrors with their own undead hordes
sounds like the buddy comedy of the century
>>48024620
Looks pretty good. 3 mana for a 4/4 that shocks every turn.
>>48024575
For some reason I thought of a thing called Ludevic, Living Laboratory.
But Lude's would let a little thing like getting latticed into his lab stop his work, right?Yes I was thinking of Legendary Land that flips into a Legendary Creature.
>>48024634
>sounds like the buddy comedy of the centuryCold Guts?
>>48024583
We won't get Ludevic but am I glad that they didn't just killed or cronenberged them
>>48024620
First good vampire to come from Inewstrad.
>>48024620
Holy shit fucking yes. Something to replace Avaricious Dragon post-rotation.
>>48024672
How do we know? It does look like Geralf lost his husbando
>>48024673
>Falkenrath Gorger
>>48024583
>>48024656
>Gisa and Geralf working together
>Ludevic wants to bromance with Geralf through science
So Innistrad is going to be saved by a team of mad scientists and undead obsessed wizards?
>>48024620
Hellbent is BAAAAAAACCCKK!!!!!!
From the German VIRUS Magazine:
Haunted Dead 3B (Uncommon)
Creature - Zombie
When Haunted Dead enters the battlefield, put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying into play.
1B, discard two cards: Return Haunted Dead from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
2/2
Ingenious Skaab 2U (Common)
Creature - Zombie Horror
Prowess
U: Ingenious Skaab gets +1/-1 until end of turn.
2/3
>>48024620
The first ability is literally Hellbent.
>>48024700
Sure why not.
>>48024708
>Haunted Dead 3B
If this is real I will literally shit my pants.
>>48024620
FUCK
YES
>>48024700
Considering the trailer showed Emrakul getting hounded by like a billion zombies, absolutely.
>>48024700
I mean, we knew that as soon as we saw the trailer with Lili's hordes.
>>48024689
Fingers crossed. Geralf is great and all, but Ludevic has the B-Movie Frankenstein thing DOWN. He also did stuff other than zombies, which was cool.
>>48024700
Liliana is shown attacking the Eldrazi with Zombies too. Imagine if the true heroes of the block were Ludevic, Liliana, Geralf, and Gisa with the greatest army of the dead seen in the multiverse.
On a different note, where are Innistrad's dragons this time around? I'm expecting at least one of them to turn up either undead or Eldrazi'd.
>>48024725
It is.
>>48024708
>that madness enabler
Nice.
>>48024725
How so? Am I missing something?
>>48024583
They are beautiful
>>48024749
>that pose on the spirit
Literally a fucking stand.
>>48024583
Cute. I have a soft spot for sibling love.
>>48024759
It's really, really good in limited
>>48024731
>>48024700
and Liliana
>>48024759
>>48024778
Not just limited, he's nuts in madness decks too.
>>48024749
DUSTERMOND
>>48024745
Innistrad's Dragons were always criticized for daring to exist despite not fitting the aesthetic and with Dragons of Tarkir having just happened, I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the few sets where we don't get a dragon.
>>48024749
>düster means eldritch in german
The more you know
>>48024583
Best UB commander.
>>48024749
Man, Watercourser was already good. Making him have prowess and a common seems suspect.
>>48024783
>>48024778
Fair enough. Also, the idea of the spirit stuck haunting their own corpse is pretty sad.
>>48024788
thats a dope ass name
>>48024700
>>48024731
>>48024740
>"The the most obvious benefit of being a necromancer..."
>"...is that dead outnumber the living."
>>48024749
Zombie girl a cute! Cute!
>>48024800
It means Dark, there is no good translation of eldritch sadly.
>>48024749
I'm going to play Haunted Dead.
>>48024620
>play this
>next turn drop sire of insanity
Pretty spicy, this is shaping up to be a good set.
>>48024800
It means gloomy, it's a cognate of English dusky.
>>48024749
>You die
>You come back as a Spirit
>You find your dead body revived as a Zombie
>You have to watch Zombie you blunder around like a retard while you're powerless to stop it
Sounds fun.
>>48024698
Gorger is cool but the ability is a lot worse than it looks in practice. If you're building a madness vampires deck, you want to pick the vamps that already have madness. Relying on having that one drop is asking for the deck to fall apart.
2/1 for R is good though so eh.
>>48024700
It would actually be kind of fitting. They're the heroes Innistrad deserves.
>>48024809
>Man, Watercourser was already good
No it wasn't.
It was barely average.
>>48024862
I just meant the 2/1 for R. The ability is sweet if you get him off turn one though.
>>48024583
>Wizards
>They can be turned into mega-Delvers by Final Iteration
Fucking hell, that's neat.
>>48024749
>>48024858
I am loving the flavor on Haunted Dead.
>>48024866
So if the Gatewatch is the Jacetice League...then are these guys the Doom Patrol (I couldn't think of a punny name, sorry.)
>>48024791
Stained glass wings are sexy though.
>>48024901
Excellent...
>>48024869
I snagged them up in Limited. 2/3s are super important in most limited formats. Plus, forcing them to consider trading meant that you usually got through. I guess average is probably a better description. I felt they were solid. I never was upset picking them.
And yeah, spoiler, I'm not talking about constructed when discussing a common.
>>48024843
Thank you for reminding me of that sweet card.
Time to make flashback control.
>>48024620ayy lmao
>>48024901
POTTERY
>>48024913
Gloom Patrol?
>>48024944
that honestly looks like the face of a slightly chubby Asian man.
>>48024944
I didn't realize tiago got to design another card.
>>48024583
Cute.
Dumb question: "you may cast a Zombie", means you can only cast one zombie from your graveyard each turn, or as many as you'd like?
>>48024913
...Legion of Doom.
>>48024583
>During each of your turns, you may cast a Zombie creature card from your graveyard.
I'm an illiterate retard, so can someone help me understand how this works? Unless I am wrong, does it boil down to 'once a turn during your turns, you can play one zombie card from your graveyard as if you were playing it from your hand'?
>>48024944
What the fuck?
how many spoilers are they going to do a day? 5 seems a little slow for all 200 cards
>>48024959
>>48024963
Pretty much, yes.
>>48024944
>Wizards put LSV's waifu into the game
>>48024952
Yes, just, yes.
>>48024959
One zombie. Still a lot of value. Just don't expect to go off with Lightning Storm.
>>48024749
STANDO POWER
>>48024970
We've gotten six so far today.
Yesterday we got13.
>>48024959
>>48024963
On each of your turns, you can cast one Zombie from the yard. You have to pay mana costs, other costs, etc.
I guess this will be the art on Lili's new PW card. Monday seems so far away.
I like Geralf and Gisa a little less than Havengul Lich.
>>48024944
Looks like an old Mongolian man.
>>48025006
Pretty good, I just wish they'd stop hiding her tattoos.
>>48024944
Good to see Wizards being inclusive towards the minority of chubby. baby faced, asian tranny looking vampires.
>>48024944
>>48025021
She broke the deal, those are scars
>>48024999
>You have to pay mana costs, other costs, etc.
Hooray for Rooftop Storm.
if there's a decent 1 drop for zombies prepare for relentless dead spike
>>48025037
The marks on her skin were put there when she made her deal with Kothophed. They're not the result of her breaking her contract.
>>48025029
Kek
>>48025021
When it becomes plot-important, there will be some sort of 'Liliana, Veil-Cursed' card that's ridiculously expensive but powerful to boot. Expect it to have her covered in bleeding scarification.
>>48025021
Her tattoos represent the link between her and the demons she made pacts with, Kothophed, Griselbrand, Razaketh, and Belzenlokm.
Kothophed and Griselbrand are both dead, so the link is weaker, which probably makes the tattoos easier to hide or just less glowy in general.
>>48025029
Fucking lel, calling that card "BREKFAST" from now on.
>>48024583
I like how their single cards can still be played and benefit the duo card.
Maybe I'll have to look into an EDH Zombie themed deck after all.
>>48025075
>>48025006
At least you can sort of see them here, despite them being faint. Unlike loads of other Lili Art.
I guess since Origin's came out, Lili is stuck as a fair skinned, raven haired girl, you can't make the tattoos too dark without them looking weird.
No more Nubian looking Liliana. Also, just looked at all the Lili planeswalker cards, Steve Argyle's Of the Veil literally has no scars or tattoos. Was he just not informed?
>>48024901
>the army of the damned marches on to meet Emrakul and her eldritch abominations
>Geralf and Illiana bolsters the rank and file of zombies to slow the Eldrazi's advance
>While Ludevic and Geralf unleashes their most prized creations, unliving siege weapons to spearhead the assault
>But no matter how many corpses are thrown against the true enemy, it was not enough and they were slowly losing ground
>Suddenly from the distance the weary necromancers could hear a faint buzzing, growing louder
>The skies of Innistrad were blotted out with the beating wings of human insects, lead by an visably eldrazi melded horror
>The defends prepare for the worse
>To their pleasant surprise the insect swarm dived on to Emrakul's tentacle hordes and the're advance was finally broken.
>"My word! The other stitchers, skaabarens, scholars and I thought you succumbed to the madness of your dark research Delver, what's with the sudden change of heart?"
>With a crackling and croaking laugh Delver retorted, "And let my fellow research colleagues fall when there is still more research collaborations to be done and darker secrets left unexplored?"
>Ludevic, Geralf and Delver's fists and chitinous appendages meet as one and shouts of SCIENCE echoed across the battlefield.
>>48024913
The scAvengers?
>>48025114
Dark-looking Liliana was an experiment for one block. Otherwise, she's either be lily white, olive-skinned or had her skin obscured by a magical glow.
>>48024749
Can someone translate this? I can't into reikspeil.
>>48025158
earlier in the thread senpai
>>48025062
I know. And when she broke the deal the tattoos turned to cuts and she nearly bled to death. They're scars senpai
>>48025154
Fair. What block?
Remember this big piece? It is the only detailed pic of all the walkers and literally none of them look anything like their depiction here since the recons. Sorry that I couldn't find a larger image.
>>48025114
>Steve Argyle's Of the Veil literally has no scars or tattoos. Was he just not informed?
She had just killed Kothophed at that point and I think they may have played with the idea of removing them entirely because of that.
Ingenious Skaab
2U
Creature - Zombie Horror
Prowess
U: Ingenious Skaab gets +1/-1 until end of turn
2/3
>>48025138
I love it!
>>48025138
>Suddenly from the distance the weary necromancers could hear a faint buzzing, growing louder
>The skies of Innistrad were blotted out with the beating wings of human insects, lead by an visably eldrazi melded horror
ride_of_the_valkyries_intensifies.jpg
>>48025194
>tfw we get a block of every living Walker vs Phyrexia
>>48025138
>Ludevic, Geralf and Delver's fists and chitinous appendages meet as one and shouts of SCIENCE echoed across the battlefield.
I never knew I wanted this so so badly.
3B
Creature - Zombie
When Haunted Dead enters the battlefield, put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying into play.
1B, discard two cards: Return Haunted Dead from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
2/2
>>48025204
>Prowress it
>+1/-1 it
>Swing
>Beef it again if it's unblocked
GENIUS
>>48025194
>elspeth
>sarkhan?
what the fuck is wrong with them.
>>48024583
A friend brought up a good point: Gisa and Geralf is the only "couple" card that isn't Red.
Tibor and Lumia (2UR)
Anax and Cymede (1RW)
Pia and Karan Nalaar (2RR)
Mina and Denn, Wildborn (2RG)
It's interesting that Innistrad would have a pair team up out of colour.
>>48024831
>>48024844
>>48024800
DARKMOON
>>48025194
Actually, I've been looking and she's never been dark-looking on any of her cards. The closest we've come to that is the olive-skinned look of Innistrad's Liliana of the Veil and Liliana's Caress.
That image is as dark as she has ever come. It's the only image in which you could consider her to be non-Caucasian. Even in all variations of Liliana of the Dark Realm and Liliana Vess, she looks mostly white beneath the ethereal purple glow that surrounds her (although it's admittedly hard to tell).
>>48025204
Skaaberen just don't feel like skaabs when they don't mill or require you to discard or exile body parts.
>>48025194
Garruk, Ajani, Chandra, Karn, and Koth all look roughly the same
Gideon seems pretty consistent
elspeth look a little bit older
Tezzeret, Jace, Sarkhan, Kiora, Nissa, and Sorin all look really weird
>>48024979
Cheon is LSV's waifu?
>>48025194
>Tezzeret looks like a fugly parrot man
>Sarkhan looks like a generic asian horror entity
>Elspeth has a HGH tier head
>Liliana looks ghetto trash mulatto
I'm glad that piece of shit art never had any bearing on designs, it's horrible.
>>48025243
That's the only image in which Gideon looks like Bruce Willis.
His variation is from looking pretty Nordic in Rise of the Eldrazi to gradually becoming more and more Mediterranean as time has passed.
>>48025228
>The more you prowess it, the more you can safely +1/-1 it
>>48025223
Nicol Bolas seems to have plans for collaborating with Phyrexia somehow. He sent Tezzeret among them for a reason, even if Tezzeret is eager to resist him.
>>48025138
/tg/ yet again comes up with better lore then Mtg ever can.
>>48025277Bolas becomes the new Father if Machines
>>48024740
>>48024825
Geralf + Ludevic are OTP
Gisa and Oglor can pair the spares.
>>48024583
Hahahah hell yes.
>>48025235
thats a pretty good point. All of those other creatures, (except maybe Mina and Denn, I dont know) were married couples. Red is the color of love.
just a thought
>>48025203
Hm. Idiots. Let's remove the only interesting part of her look! Maybe they thought artists couldn't draw it consistently?
>>48025229
Well, Sarkhan is an angry and insane Mongolian fucker and Elspeth... didn't really have an established look without her hood. I'll be honest, I still don't know what she is supposed to look like without it.
>>48025239
I dunno. Her body and facial type doesn't look very Caucasian on the original Vess and promo one. But what do I know? She's white as fuck now for sure.
Chandra's now even whiter than ever, since baby Chandra is super fucking ginger. There was some ambiguity before, but now? Not so much.
I don't care about whitewashing, I just wish these guys had a consistent and sensible look.
>>48024952
>>48024960
>>48025146
>>48024913
I hate all of you so much.
>tfw wizards will never make an enchantment or creature that has an activated ability of RG: Transform target werewolf
>>48025311
>Chandra's now even whiter than ever
Despite having paki parents
>>48025318
And we all love you too.
>>48025213
>>48025138
>song related starts playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0DDY299Ly4
>>48025328
Only one
>>48025274
Nissa was also clearly Kristen Stewart looking in Rise. Not so much now.
>>48025204
This card looks super fun to play with in limited. Will make combat a nightmare for the opponent.
I just realized what the perfect next step would be for the Delver and his crew.
>>48025235
>>48025303
Red is the color of passion, so they're all pairs that fight together out of passion for one another.
Black is the color of self-interest and Blue is the color of logic, so Geralf and Gisa are a pair formed by the understanding that they need to work together for their own survival.
>>48025311
They've had a couple arts of Elspeth without the hood.
>>48025311
Too glowy and colorful to tell too much about the details but her facial structure strikes me as very European, has this sort of foreign femme-fatale look to it.
>>48025321
What is moonmist?
>>48025203
>>48025114
>>48025021
>>48025037
>>48025077
>>48025075
>>48025114
They aren't "tattoos". They're brands of power. They only show up when she's working her mojo. For instance, Liliana's Caress.
>>48025138
You meant Gisa and Liliana.
>>48025328
If they didn't make baby Chandra a chubby faced pink ginger, it could have been passable. Pale Indians exist. Then have her red hair only show up with her powers manifest hardcore.
>>48025243
>Gideon seems pretty consistent
Until they suddenly decided he was Greek and overnight he went from brown hair and tan skin to black hair and bronze skin. That was a fun retcon.
>>48025363
She looks like she could have been meant to be Romani.
>>48025243
>>48025194
>>48025274
>>48025379
>That's the only image in which Gideon looks like Bruce Willis.
I've always felt Hugh Jackman. Though I swear I'm thinking of someone else, too. I can hear his voice, but can't put a name to it.
>>48025376
loli Chandra a cute
>>48025243
>>48025229
This was when Sarkhan was in his dark period. When he was nutso.
>>48025373
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/original-spin-2015-08-17
>And yes, for those who are unsure, that is Liliana in the art getting her "contract" (the full-body tattoos).
They're referred to as tattoos multiple times by official sources, anon. You can be pedantic if you want, but tattoos is an acceptable term for them and everyone knows what you mean when you say it.
>>48025366
moonmist is good, but there needs to be a repeatable effect or more cards that have similar effects
>>48025381
It's just the dress that looks that way. Go look at her flip card, and you'll see that she looks normal
>>48025373
This, her patterns only show up when she is channeling mana and casting spells, which is why LotV and the Innistrad promo art of her sitting on a throne dipict her without the patterns.
>>48025354
Yeah. Though now she has a rounder, flatter face.
>>48025358
Admittedly, she could sometimes still wear a bun. But yeah, it is very different.
>>48025363
I dunno. I'm not good at spotting these things.
>>48025390
Gisa is cuter.
>>48025408
>Go look at her flip card
Anon, we're discussing how the appearance of planeswalkers change from one card to the next. Saying "go look at one of their other cards" is missing the point.
>>48025354
>tracing over an image of a methed out looking meme artist from a 3rd world country
I wish Die Antwood would just fuck off and die.
>>48025408
He means original intention. New Liliana is clearly just a white chick. Heretical Healer and the Lili on Tainted Remedy is cute.
>>48025379
They made some clear progress towards looking more Mediterranean even by RtR. Also, still got brown hair.
>>48025277
I don't know if anyone read the Thran, but phyrexia existed before Yawgmoth found it. And it was inhabited by the corpse of a giant dragon. There is probably going to be some time fuckery that involves Nicol Bolas creating pyrexia.
>>48025453
>Bolas created Phyrexia
>He's thrown into the distant past alongside it
>>48025303
Mina and Denn are also brother and sister. I was going to mentioned they were all married or romantically involved until I saw that.Not that it should stop you from thinking of them as being romantically involved >>48024603
>>48025311
>I don't care about whitewashing, I just wish these guys had a consistent and sensible look.
I was disappointed when the Venser alt art didn't look like David 10ant.
But it's like comics. They're always going to have different designs.
>>48025357
I'm aware. Just that it was interesting that Innistrad is the first plane that happened.
>>48025381
She definitely had a gypsy vibe
>>48025397
They're still magical tattoos that don't always show up. I just meant that they're not going to always be visible.
>>48025453
Implying it isn'tUgin
>>48025431
>>48025434
And I'm saying that the original intention was not gypsy, and that the only reason you think that is because of her clothing.
>>48025442
Return to Ravnica looks best, because you can't see his dumb fucking sideburns
That's it? Boring ass spoil day.
>>48025194
that lili does unspeakable things toMY DICK NNGGG
>>48025473
>like comics
I don't get why this is the case. Why are people defined by their outfit and hair?
It frustrates me so much.
>>48025492
It's not even 9:00 AM Wizards time, anon. THere's still more to come
>>48025490
Are you saying her facial features are distinctly non-Romani in the original artwork?
Her dress is definitely not "the only reason".
>>48025512
The bulk of daily spoils come from the official article dump, which had 2 cards total.
>>48025501
Mostly because those are the consistent things you can latch onto when you've got one of two dozen artists working on a given thing, and it's in your best interest to let them draw in their own style. Imperfect system, but I mean, what are you gonna do?
>>48025381
>>48025408
No, I can see the Romani as well. In fact, it does have a pretty strong gypsy vibe, both facial structure and dress.
>>48025501
Because artists aren't going to prioritize consistency of facial features. A lot of artists aren't technically skilled enough to consistently depict facial features in their own work, much less in keeping with other artists.
>>48024710
Ability words are only used when it's a theme in the set that Wizards wants to highlight. This is far from the first time this happens.
>>48025442
from far away I like flip gideon's art the best but when you look at it closely he looks like he's smelling something bad
BFZ gideon looks like a neanderthal
>>48025513
Not DISTINCTLY, but there's enough of a difference that, were she in different clothing, my first thought wouldn't be "oh yeah she's a gypsy."
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/games-2016-04-27
Ah, sibling rivalry.
>>48025542
>>48025535
Would it not be easy to just given every character distinctive character features and have each artist look at a master reference?
Like, if Lili has a huge snoz and high cheekbones, it can't be that hard to make 15 people draw her with a huge snoz and high cheekbones for example, no matter the style.
>>48025594
My first thought was that she was some sort of haunting, ethereal-looking witch. Racial details are impossible to tell when you're shrouded in the glow of death magic.
But trying to analyze what she looks like beneath the veil of magic, I'd argue that she's more Romani or Eastern European looking than any other ethnicity.
>>48025006
Hotter than LotV.
>>48025645
Eh, I think some comics franchises did things like that but it tends to make the art come out weird sometimes. It's one of those things where you're kinda just forced to give artists the basics and let them do their thing or else it's gonna be worse anyway.
>>48025006
>>48025114
At least they've got her art-style pinned now, rather than jumping around. Her scarification is now faintly visible, her skin is deathly pale and they don't see to be moving away from that any time soon.
>>48025652
I think she looks that way because she's like 100 or something.
Like, she's supposed to look young, but he has little signs of age here and there (like the really obvious clavicle).
She honestly looks like someone who is older than their body
>>48025654
True. I like the fur.
>>48025694
A bit sad about the scars, but true, it is a great step. Hopefully, we'll get the same with the rest of the walkers, not just the origins ones.
>>48025667
I wonder why. It just doesn't make much sense to me, but I am no artist.
>>48024844
INNISTRAD 5: DUSKY MOON
>>48025744
I'll admit that she looks more like a cougar than some sort of youthful pixie. Then again, she's got that look even in a lot of the newer art.
>>48024583
I'm so fucking glad Gisa didn't get Emrakul'd. She ran off with Nahiri in the story, and well most people didn't turn out ok.
Part of me knew they'd get a dual card. I might have to make my Gisa edh into this.
>>48025006
Do want.
Might be the hottest looking walker art since BFZ's Kiora.
>tfw love collecting walkers
>tfw we might get Moonfolk waifu to go with Necromancer waifu in the same set.
![magic-duels-origenes-2015630163425_26[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XfiAWBO.jpg "magic-duels-origenes-2015630163425 26[1]")
>>48025758
I'd say she looks youngest as a Planeswalker in Defiant Necromancer. It's right after she made her pact with Kothophed, rather than when she was actually that young though.
>>48025758
No, she's definitely gotten a lot younger in later art. She doesn't look older than 17 in >>48025006
>>48025146
I'm voting for this one.
I'm really skeptical about a lot of things in this set, but I'm really hyped about G&G and Ludevic. I wonder if they're gonna cooperate with Lili.
Shit, now that I think about it it is totally possible the team writing the lore wanted them and a bunch of others (Thalia, and I guess one or two vampires) to be the ones saving the plane and were forced to cram the Gatewatch in at the last linute.
>>48025793
I'll admit, that one does leave her looking genuinely young. Meanwhile, >>48025006 is pretty ageless. At the very least, I've got no luck pinning her down. Could be anywhere from 16 to 40 as far as I can tell.
>>48025814
Where do you come from that has teenagers that look like that?
>>48025793
She's built like a fridge in that art, do not want.
Liliana PW art in order of hot to gross:
>Of the veil
>Vess (Lorwyn)
>Defiant necromancer
>Of the dark realms
>>48025793
>It's right after she made her pact with Kothophed, rather than when she was actually that young though.
Actually, now that I look at it again, I think that might be the Chain Veil on her hip, which would make this closer to the time she killed Kothophed.
>>48025174
>They'll have you in stitches!
A question for standard players.
When we go to Kaladesh in September, what cards will you be happy to see rotate out, from Dragons of Tarkir and Origins?
>>48025841
Nigga you wot? She's gorgeous in the Defiant Necromancer art.
>>48024749
This might be a stupid question, but can Haunted dead be played in a mono B EDH?
>>48025897
yes.
>>48025841
What about the two Promo Vess arts?
>>48025897
Yes because no w symbol
>>48025897
Yes. Only mana symbols and color indicators affect color identity, so the fact that it makes a white token is irrelevant.
>>48025880
Collected Company.
Also, Collected Company.
>>48025897
yup, I actually think its really odd edh ruleswise.
White /=/ W when looking at card identity.
>>48025897
The word "white" is not a problem. It's only if the actual white mana symbol were to appear.
They even got around that with Extort, since the hybrid mana technically never appears outside of reminder text.
>>48025889
>no hips
>built like a linebacker.
I bet you think Chloe Moretz is hot too.
>>48025906
Duel deck one is too "busy" to really see and that one is the defination of butterface.
>>48025432
>meme artist
What makes it a meme though? And honestly they dont look bad when they arent in character
>>48025839
I'm akike, so trying to narrow it down to one place in particular is an argument in futility.
I've got a cousin my age who actually looks a bit like Liliana in >>48025006, and she had full breasts by 13. No-one else in the family grew that quick, though.
17 is probably a bit of a stretch, yeah. She certainly looks younger than 20, though.
>>48025947
I mean they kind of make themselves a meme on purpose. It's like their thing.
>>48025880
Bant Company. It was already a little annoying, O-Com for Jace made playing against it a chore.
>>48025006
>>48025952
Man, fuck, I can't get over this art. I love it so much. I don't even like Lili. But her coat and the zombies and her face. It just works.
>>48025947
Being a meme is literally their thing.
>>48025929
>yup, I actually think its really odd edh ruleswise.
There's not an intuitive way to rule it.
Say you counted color words. Suddenly Pyroblast is UR, so that obviously doesn't work.
Well, then we restrict it to tokens. Suddenly Hunted Dragon is RW, so that doesn't work either.
So you'd have to make a rule that only a card that makes tokens specifically for yourself has its tokens counted as part of it's color identity. Suddenly every Living Weapon is a Black card, so that's a problem too.
It's not something worth dealing with.
>>48025952
She looks nearly 30 to me. Like that age where all of someone's features start to get sharper, but their skin hasn't broken down from age.
>>48024731
Wich is weird since i think i recall old Emrakul to be able to just make anything getting too close to it levitate into oblivion. So a zombie horde shouldn't be too much of a danger for it.
>>48024740
>Ludevic has the B-Movie Frankenstein thing DOWN
...maybe.. maybe he does..
Maybe Ludevic made a frankenstein's monster to fight Emrakulmaybe he IS the monster
>>48024791
Their design was great though.
>>48025983
Kozilek got retconned into reality distortion, Emmy is now mind and bio bending. Ie. Zombies are free to do whatever.
>>48024583
You have to admit that this art can ONLY be them just about to die, though.
They're both paper thin nerdy types, not brawlers.
>>48025975
Where do you come from that 30-year-olds look like that?
>>48025970
>>48025960
I thought it was just South African social commentary through satire. Is meme the new satire?
>A Modest Proposal was just meme shitposting
Please let this be true
>>48025138
>>48025287
Damn.
>>48025114
>>48025114
argyle just likes depicting tits. the dude is a glorified bad superhero fanservice creator from deviantart. no surprise his liliana doesn't actually look like liliana but some marve;/dc generic "sexy supahero grl"
>>48025994
>maybe he IS the monster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_6iFYiryY
>yfw he turns up with an even bigger undead version of his abomination to slap the jellyfish faggot in the gabber.
>>48026007
>yfw Lily turns Emmy into a zombie and conquers all of Innistrad.
>>48025994
>maybe he IS the monster
>post yfw Ludevic makes a suit of hulkbuster armor out of body parts and uses HIMSELF as the controlling mind for it, just so he can beat the shit out of some eldrazi.
>>48024944
Can she count to potato?
>>48025006
Pretty nice, not too flashy.
I like it.
>>48025938
>Her hip to waist ratio has to be AT LEAST 1.2
>Shoulders are far from broad
>Dem perky teddies
bruh
>>48026039
Are you me?>>48026057
>>48025904
>>48025910
>>48025917
>>48025929
>>48025932
Nice, thanks.
>>48026037
Argyle does better work than most MTG artists.
At least Swanland has improved, all his art looked the fucking same when he started doing art for magic.
>all these bulk rares and crappy mythics
That means all the EV will be concentrated in Emrakul and the PWers right?
>>48025994
>>48026057
>http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Ludevic_of_Ulm
>Some think that Ludevic's consumption of potions and inhalation of toxic vapors has left him no choice but to abandon his experiments
>He knows that the only way he'll survive another experiment is to become one
>So he becomes an undead god
Post yfw Ludevicmelds with Emrakul, taking control of the Eldrazi.
>>48025194
Come on man, this art is fucking bad.
>>48025938
>>48025841
You are like a living stereotype of "I need feminism because female body representation is unrealistic".
I honestly can't tell whether you're trolling or what.
>Captcha thinks duck sauce is tea
>>48024858
Think of it more like those dreams where you're watching yourself do something stupid from outside your body.
I think of it as hilarious rather than tragic.
>>48026026
They are both 3/4. They can kill bears barehanded.
>>48026082
Well, you are allowed a distinctive style of you aren't doing established characters. People can't complain about all art being homogenized to the point where individual artists are unrecognizable and then whine about spikes-man.
>>48026086
Gisela the broken blade is preordering for $26 on starcityjews.
I'd shift any Emmy I get for better stuff asap, that card will not be worth much compared to the price it will be at release.
>>48026092
Well it's that or Ludevics Moving Castle.
>>48026097
This art doesn't fit our persception of the characters. It was created with essentially no knowledge of what these walkers are supposed to look like. I don't see anything wrong with it other than "these guys don't look like they should and look kind of ugly!"
>>48026116
>Gisela the broken blade is preordering for $26 on starcityjews.
Goddamn, she started at $15
>>48026086
>Emrakul literally preselling for $20
You should literally steer clear of it if you're gonna buy it for that purpose you stupid fucking Albanian
So nobody cares about the cards?
>>48026106
I think the 3/4 take magic and equipment in account. Geralf lives in a castle, probably full of D&D like traps and filled with skaabs, and Gisa's got a bunch of zombies and a (probably) magical shovel.
>>48025442
BFZ looks ridiculous. The middle ones are the best by far.
>>48026110
He just threw spikes on everything, to the point where stuff like Augur spree looked like a fucked up shot of Wurmcoil engine.
>>48026104
>>>/r/eddit.
>>48025138
I can't tell you how pleased I would be just to have some problems solved by non-planeswalkers again
>>48026150
>and a (probably) magical shovel.
It's only magical in the same way that Gordon Freeman's crowbar is 'magical'.
>>48026116
Emmy-chan has *serious* potential. I wouldn't go to sleep on that card.
>>48026129
A lot of the face looks like they've been traced over some celebrity picture and the color mood is a mess.
>>48026126
Ludevic becoming a lab makes sense. To... a degree. His lab was clearly the best one in Innistrad.
I'd love to see him do some crazy mad science shit that isn't zombies. He made a whole town go blind once, I assume for gags. He also made that Godzilla.
He doesn't do much with Geists, but he also made this haunted construct. I want something that feels Necro-alchemist-y unlike Geralf.
>>48026175
>Emmy-chan
Fuck off.
>>48026205
But it's such a great meme.
>>48026195
Oh shit, he did make a robot with a soul in it.
>>48026039
>>48025994
Pacific rim: Eldrazi boogaloo confirmed.
>>48026188
Fair.
>>48026157
I'm gonna look up the word Augur. And if it means what the card seems to depict, I'm gonna call you out.
It doesn't. I literally have no idea why that card is called that. Or what the flavor text is referring to. You are safe.
>>48026195
The fact he can animate junk makes a pretty good case for him turning his lab into a Jaeger.
>>48026242
It seems like they mixed up augur and auger.
>>48026245
That would be wunderbar.
Add to that Lili's giant skeleton somebody suggested in a previous thread and it's a deal.
>>48026261
They didn't. I did. Fuck.
It totally says Auger and it means a tool for drilling.
I don't see how it looking like some getting stabbed with spikes is bad. I also don't get why the Azorius can't confiscate it.
kinda annoying how the most boring of the spoiled rares (Gisela) just happens to be the best just because of stat/keyword efficiency, with the actually interesting part about it destined to be ignored in 99% of constructed or limited play
wish that new gisela was worse so I could get my hands on it easier and play with the meld effects. I was going to buy a box but im seriously rethinking it. I love the art style and the theme but the cards themselves are a bit of a letdown desu. At least SoI had Westvale Abbey, Pepe, and Arlinn for me to get excited for
>>48025006
Pretty nice hips.
>>48026245
>turning his lab into a Jaeger.
>"Ludevic, you've really outdone yourself this time."
>>48026288
>>48026245
>>48026039
I get you guys love the idea of sciencing away problems, but wouldn't killing Emmy by punching it with a giant robot be the exact same shit everyone was complaining about cosmic horrors losing?
>>48025006
Has nobody noticed the two zombies on the left are definitely checking out her ass going
>FWOAR, EH MATE!?
>>48024749
>genital scab
LOL seriously? They ran out of card names I guess?
>>48026290
Because you can't confiscate a stabby drill thing that stabby drills everyone nearby
>>48026314
What exactly happens after the cosmic horror loses?
You got Ludevic's ghost powered robots, Geralf's stitched monstrosities and Delver of Secret's human wizard insect brood to deal with.
Hey, Innistrad lore people. This is literally my favorite card in terms of art and flavor (I love the effect too, how simple it is).
Do you think we'll see any of this "grey" zombie raising in this set? I love the notion.
>>48026296
We've only seen about half the Mythics, and none of the Walkers. If you care enough to count frogger from the last set, there could be something for you yet.
Tamiyo when
I'm curious as to why Wizards has never had a busty-ish planeswalker. I get that skinny hourglass figures are the norm in the superhero-ish direction they want to go in but it surprises me that this particular body type was never done especially because a large part of their consumer base would appreciate it.
It's not like they're against having busty characters because there have been quite a few, but it's curious that it's never carried over onto the planeswalker cards
>>48026157
You seem more like the fedora tipper, senpai.
>au·ger ˈôɡər/
>noun: auger; plural noun: augers
>a tool with a helical bit for boring holes in wood.
>a tool with a large helical bit for boring holes in the ground.
>>48026261
>>48026242
It's Auger Spree.
As in "a sustained period of drill baby drill".
>>48026290
>I also don't get why the Azorius can't confiscate it.
It's magic. I also kind of assume it's part of whoever.
>>48026308
>"The old spot was getting a little crowded, so I thought I'd make the lab mobile"
I can see Ludevic coming to rescue Gisa and Geralf on a lightning powered Ludevic's Moving Castle
>>48026365
I'm surprised they haven't introduced a fat female planeswalker yet.
>>48026363
Not in this set I'll tell you that much
We already had a blue walker
>>48025006
They're checking out her ass, that's for sure.
>>48026314
Who says they have to kill it? We just want them to fight it themselves instead of sitting out while a planeswalker gets to make all the decisions.
>>48026372
>senpai
How to spot a memespouting faggot 101.
>>48026378
That's how she controls them
>>48026349
That was basically intended to be Gisa before they actually printed a Gisa.
>>48026376
i don't think they've ever had a fat female human on a card ever
>>48024804
I dunno about best, but this does look like a hell of a commander for U/B zombie tribal, especially if you can get rooftop storm up and running
>>48026261
>>48026290
By "they", I meant >>48026157
>>48025491
Oh god you're right
They look retarded
>>48026314
A giant robot punching Emrakul to death would be much more satisfying than what happened to Kozilek and Ulamog. I can't speak for others but my main complaint about their death was that they had been hyping Kozilek's return during BFZ and then due to the two-set block it feels like he died the moment he appeared, and to something as lame as a fireball at that.
>>48026377
Tamiyo's probably going to be UW. Probably will also have Tibalt as RB since the last time there are only 1 walker each for both those colors and they were printed forever ago
>>48026415
I think it works better as utility in a Grimgrin deck
>it's a "normal card art is better than the fucking promo" episode>mfw Seb McKinnon does a Zombie token
>>48026427
I doubt we're getting Tibalt as RB if at all. We've got Liliana coming, so B is filled.
>>48026314
As one of the people who is still complaining about that, yes, It would be a problem for me.
However, the other side of me is obsessed with necromancy, so that side of me is happy.
The main reason that people hated the last set was because it was literally the jacetice league winning by asspull and outright killing the most powerful being currently in magic instead of simply driving them off.
>>48026438
Have we seen an Eldrazi zombie? Is there something about zombies that prevents them from being corrupted?
>>48026438
>Zombies killing an eldrazi horse.
Way better art.
>>48026453
MaRo's said that Tibalt was a popular character and that he would probably be returning. If there was a place for him to come back it would be Innistrad
>>48026431
Agreed. Zombies have enough easy access to the graveyard already, they don't need their commander to be another reanimator.
>>48026465
you can't corrupt the dreams of that which already gets no rest
>>48026465
I think the idea is that Emrakul can't affect zombies because they're dead and she only fucks with the living
>>48026475
>imploring
>>48026465
Emrakul whispers into your mind, zombies are mindless and their will is not their own.
Zombies are immune to the corrupting powers or the big jellyfish looking cunt.
I wonder what happened to all the archdemons on the plane though...
>>48026465
Emrakul worked by influencing minds before physical changes are made. Maybe the mindlessness of zombies makes them immune to her?
>>48026478
MaRo's also said that he's not even sure Tibalt is on Innistrad. He's said that multiple times in the past few months.
If he isn't sure if the Planeswalker is even on the plane, he's not getting a card. Tibalt didn't do anything in Avacyn Restored, let him have an actual story away from Innistrad.
>>48026478
I actually disagree with that. Tibalt being a planeswalker, if he kept only showing up on Innistrad it'd defeat the point, and defy precedent.
So would Gisa and Geralf + Leyline of Anticipation let you cast a zombie on each of an opponents turns?
>>48026505
They committed suicide because they're mostly played in GW decks, both of which are enemy colors to black
>>48026505
Avacyn probably killed them all before Nahiri fucked everything up
>>48026499
>bunch of mooks just standing around doing nothing
That doesn't really set a scene or tell any of the story of the plane, it just looks like a couple of meth heads hanging around a graveyard, could be Innistrad, could be Detroit.
>>48026314
Yes, except this time it's not just "poof friendship power" but SCIENCE and kaiju battles.
Plus Eldrazis would be gone for good. I agree it would be a bit anticlimactic, but hey.On an almost unrelated note, I think the anticlimactic ending of BfZ was at least as much the fault of the new two-sets policy than it is the fault of bad writing.
One of the basic notions of storytelling is that every story follow a three-steps pattern:
1. Starting situation (Everything is "fine")
2. Disruptive elements (Oh shit it's Emrakul, gotta find a way to beat it.)
3. Resolution (Nice we found a way and now we can kick it's ass.)
The three-sets policy worked perfectly fine with that pattern, and I can't fathom why WotC thought it would be a good idea to cramp steps 2 and 3 in a single set.
why won't wizards fucking print some more not terrible 1 drops for zombies? we already have enough damn 3-4 drops and lords and the deck is so close to being playable
>>48026465
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/innistrads-last-hope-2016-06-29
>The corpses did not seem warped—at least, no more warped than their disheveled bones had already become by their years in the ground. The restless dead seemed to shrug off the effects. Liliana smirked.
It's confirmed that undead creatures are immune to Emrakul's corruption. While still alive, Innistrad's vampires might also be immune.
>>48026523
You don't know that much about story progression if you don't know terms like rising action, climax, denouement, etc. But you're right just the same.
>>48026372
Yeah, I fucked up.
>>48026387
>>48026424
Fair. That'd be cool. I hope they don't kill Emmy. As long as she exists, the threat of cosmic horror is still real. Which is the important part of that genre, you can win the battle, but not the war.
>>48026409
But Gisa has and always will be a ghoul caller, which they specifically say isn't what Wakedancer is doing.
>>48026465
They aren't alive. Emmy can't affect them. This was sort of a retcon, though all the Titans powers were fairly poorly defined.
>>48026082
a lot of mtg artirsts are not good. argyle is passable only because current art direction is like taking 3 step backs towards mass produced cg art (and I don't doubt it will come back up agian; cg is not inherently bad, it's just with the time constraints you can see where the renders are weak for current tech etc.) but in the grand scheme of things he's mediocre at best
not to mention I absolutely abhor oversexualizing everything in fantasy and argyle literally lives to fap to his own art
>>48026518
I have no idea why they didn't swap the art around, the rare is so much better than the promo
Then again at least this way I don't have to buy an intro pack in order to get my hands on a card with sweet, sweet Seb's art
>>48026510
No because it wouldn't be your turn
>>48026478
>If there was a place for him to come back it would be Innistrad
Frankly, I think he'd be better off returning on some other plane. Shadows of Innistrad doesn't have a place for him in the story, so he'd be just as useless as he was in the first Innistrad.
He actually could have been good in Theros, since he seems like exactly the sort of person to get onboard with the revelry, but Xenagos took the focus on that.
>>48026489
It's mill and reanimation, though. It enables itself, other reanimators, other mill cards, Threshold and Delirium, Dredge, in-graveyard effects / Flashback, "enters the graveyard from anywhere", tokens, and sacrifices. It's a lubricant to make sure that basically no matter what you draw, your EDH deck will be popping off. It's as happy with Life from the Loam as Kalitas.
>>48026531
vampires are totally not immune.
In fact they were the first cards revealed that made me realize emrakul was probably on the plane.
Also the same story mentions mutated vampires
>>48026508
Tamiyo has still only shown up on Innistrad.
>>48024583
I will definitely consider using it in EDH along with normal Gisa and Geralf.
>>48025432
Do you know she does meth or are you just accusing her for the sake of discrediting her
>>48026566
For two reasons...
1) She's only showed up once
2) It was to establish THIS storyline
Additionally, she's not from Innistrad, so that strengthens her case.
>>48026557
It only mills once, then it sits there being a reanimator
>>48026546
>which they specifically say isn't what Wakedancer is doing.
No, they say few ghoulcallers comprehend her style. Gisa is a ghoulcaller extraordinaire.
>>48026126
>Ludevic arives at Hanweir, a skaab army at his back.
>"I love what Emrakul's done with the place," the alchemist says to no-one in particualr, "but it needs a few... improvements."
>13 days of sleepless nights later, Ludevic's army is half the size it was a fortnight ago; the work needed parts, and every good alchemist recycles their old work.
>Suspended on over a dozen spindly legs, Hanweir's old buildings had pressed tight together, connected by Eldrazi lattice and insulated by skaaben flesh.
>Where before had been a twisted, mutated thing that writhed with chaos now stood a monument to the knowledge of man, and living proof to the superiority of ordered science to eldritch madness.
>Ludevic smiled at his creation. His walking fortress. His moving castle.
>He'd have to name it.
>>48026410
>Wizards makes a fat gay black FTM trans planeswalker
Would SJWs be happy?I wouldn't, because that's not a character, that's naked pandering, but I'm a dude so clearly I know less than Jon Snow
>>48026545
I'm not a native english speaker and don't know the specific terms in english, sorry. Thanks for giving them to me, by the way.
Anyway I don't think you need to know much about story progression to understand the basics of how story works. Where I live at least, it's one of the first things we learn in high school.
combo with the 0/13 tree?¿
>>48026599
Flicker it
Swing it
Sac it
Cast it again
>>48026604
Hm. I wonder if she dances in the moonlight too.
>>48026583
I said methed out looking, as she looks like a meth addict, not that she does meth.
What fuck is with this board? Full of plebbit tier posters who feel the need to don their knight armour at the mildest breeze of an insult to a woman.
>>48026599
>there is no way to sacrifice a creature in a b/u zombie deck
>>48026619
Those are basically the English terms for exactly what you listed. I was being gruff but agreeing with you. Three cheers for education.
>>48026557
If it were repeated, or deeper than only four cards, it would be a better argument.
>>48026630
Flicker's white
>>48026628
They really want to make this Treeskaidekaphobia deck a thing, don't they?
>>48026628
I LOVE IT
LUDEVIC A BEST
>>48026628
Oh my god. They love johnnies. They love Johnies. I fucking have a Bant Populate deck. This is amazing.
Fuck. This could've costed 8 mana to put out and I'd still want to run it.
>>48026637
>>48026630
>Cast it again
So, 6 mana to mill four cards.
8 mana to mill another four.
10 mana to mill another four.
No thanks.
>>48026637
>not having a sacrifice engine as your commander
Hence why it's a better utility
Also when Ludevic calls up his Spirit driven giant robot laboratory, he flies up into the control center on a spirit fueled jetpack. How I hear you ask, well Delver is there, and Ludevic is most likely a Wizard, so therefore he hits harder and has Flying.
>>48026628
>Sacrifice Soul Seperator
God dammit.
>>48026653
Previous Innistrad block had 2 blue flicker cards in it and this block has 1 blue flicker card in it, git gud.
>>48026628
neat. what creatures would appreciate flying but don't care about their p/t?
>>48026630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxyYYRqobw
>>48026676
I mean, he has options as a Necro-alchemist.
>>48026680
You really only need the one if you have the tree
>>48026680
It's an artifact. Easy enough to get back.
>>48026641
A mill like that is really just to grease the wheels. In the specific case of EDH, you have a pretty good chance of milling a Dredge card or a zombie with another mill.
>>48025321
too much potential to screw up Standard; it means they'd have to put far more time into balancing werewolf cards and they'd have to be crap without it
>>48026614
Splendid.
>>48026687
ulamog in a mememill decknot
>>48026724
So let it grease the wheels as one of the 99.
The argument isn't whether it should be in the deck, it's about whether it should be your commander. I still think it's better off in the deck with Grimgrin at the helm.
>>48026729
Populating 1/1 flying Ulamogs sound amazing.
>>48026741
Grimgrin is really good, undeniable. But if you are a flavor guy (which if you give a shit about Gisa and Geralf, you likely are), the benefits don't outweigh the downside of not having the pair every game.
>>48026741
I mean it's *reliable* as a commander. I always value that more than top-end power because (especially in a common, versatile deck like UB Zombie tribal) your 99 is going to be providing plenty of power.
>>48026750
They tokens are still legendary
>>48026709
I'm thinking about EDH, not standard.
>>48026713
Not as easy in the colours you'll want to be soul separating in. It might be easy to get a Niv Mizzet back, but it'll be a real chore for Craterhoof Behemoth.
>>48026628
SO MUCH FUN
This set looks way more amazing than deturbed Puppies, Humans, and Vampire.
>>48026399
>Not understanding that this is a wordfilter
>Not understanding that using the wordfilter just because it gets filtered is common
Seriously, desu why would you do that senpai?
>>48026422
Now you'll never be able to unsee it. I fucking hate them so much.
>>48026687
Anything with annihilator. Use Hanweir Battlements and give 'em haste, too. No annihilator in standard, though, is there?
>>48026781
They still enter the battlefield
>>48026670
yeah, if all you want it to do is constantly mill you it's garbage, but if you cast it for the mill, use your graveyard and just recast it when you start going empty I don't see the problem.
>>48026767
I'm going to have to agree with the man.
If you're playing for any degree of seriousness run Grimgrin and if you really want them out Tutor them up.
For bonus points get Ghoulcaller Gisa and Stitcher Geralf out for the three way monster mash
>>48025138
>the day is saved by SCIENCE
That would be so awesome I would forgive WotC for the blunder of Jacetice League and their big dumb fireball
>>48026809
Newlamog's trigger is on cast
>>48024620
Goodbye, Incorrigible Youths
>>48026687
Bane of Bala Ged is the only thing I can thin kof
>>48026628
Tree of Perdition sure will have a lot of fun tools to play with.
>>48026803
No I'll just never unsee how good he looks without them.
>>48026687
Undergrowth Champion
>>48026781
Only the spirit is legendary.
>>48026806
bane of bala ges totally doesn't have anihilator, wink wink.
>>48026809
but they were never cast, so who gives a shit? an indestructible flying 1/1 that decimates libraries is pretty hilarious though.
>>48026781
Just adds a mirror gallery to the jank fest.
>>48026566
... And she's also from Kamigawa.
Tibalt is from Innistrad.
As in... he could be anywhere in the multiverse.
When we meet Planeswalkers on their home plane, they're either freshly sparked or protecting their shit.
>>48026628
>that flavour
Oh, God. That hurts.
>>48026810
It's not about constantly milling, it's that the mill it has isn't strong enough to consider that a notable upside in the command slot.
>>48026628
ALSO: 0/0 creatures that come in with counters, creatures that pump themselves, (what about creatures like tarmogoyf..?)
>>48026861
And yet, when we went to Ravnica, all three new walkers were from Ravnica. Still pisses me off.
>>48026786
>green
>not being filled with regrowth effects.
>>48026803
I understand it's a wordfilter put in to stop you stupid cunts talking like niggers on twitter, yet you still continue to do it because you think it's "ebin".
>>48026875
goyf would come in as a 0/1
>>48026633
I missed that you said "looking"
I don't see why you deserve more credit for being a cunt on the Internet than I do for asking why you're being a cunt
So guesses as to the end of the story?
I'm guessing Emrakul ends up in the moon, "What cannot be destroyed must be bound". Remember the Helvault is made out of moonrock.
The lunar cycle will weaken the binding, and from now on Innistrad's theme will involve eldritch horror rising with the darkness on full moons.
Also suspect Liliana will be crowned as the new Lord Of Innistrad with everyone being fed up of Sorin. Maybe he'll piss off and join the Gatewatch, losing his White aspect now he doesn't have a society to maintain.
>>48026917
0/1 Zombie
1/1 Flying 'goyf?
>>48026882
Ravnica is a fucking huge plane though, plus all of them were allied to various guilds so it made sense that they were natives who stuck around to do guild stuff.
You think it's annoying that we got 3 new walkers in that block, but look at this current block: nothing but old faces returning to do almost nothing.
>>48024791
>The flavor for Moonveil says Thalia considers dragons to be allies
>We still won't get dragons helping out against the Eldrazi
>We won't getThalia riding Moonveil Dragon into battle
Innistrad hasn't quite gotten to the "Fuck it, it's everyone vs. the Eldrazi" yet.
>>48026917
static effects apply in all zones
>>48026932
Who's fed up with Sorin? Sorin is like the only fucker keeping that place together.
>>48026932
Nahiri and Sorin sacrifice themselves to stop Emracool,Avacyn reborn from the ashes
>>48026964as a planeswalker...?
>>48026962
>Sorin is like the only fucker keeping that place together.
>"oh look Eldrazi, see ya later Jace I gotta go see a man about a dog".
>>48026962
Yeah, but I doubt the locals appreciate that right now.
>>48026902
>regrowth instead of putting it onto the battlefield
>paying 8 mana for the card and 3 mana for the Eternal Witness/Skullwinder, just for a 6 mana effect.
Gross
>>48026946
>Innistrad hasn't quite gotten to the "Fuck it, it's everyone vs. the Eldrazi" yet.
Probably because half the plane is trying to eat the other half.
spoiler]More like 75% after Emrakul[*/spoiler]
>>48026935
Unseen isn't guild aligned. Is she? I loved how different her deck was from the Golgari one in the Duel deck series. Literally every card that depicts a ruffian or thug.
I just want more walkers from not introduced planes or planes that have only appeared in Planechase.
>>48026858
>mirrorweave the flying 'mog with mirror gallery out
whelp guess i'm making a new shitty token deck
>>48026932
I could see this.
What I am really hoping for is the silly theory that emrakul is trying to reform the titans given that Brisela has a strong resemblance to ulamog.
>>48026964
Given todays mtg story, Sorin already sees his plane as doomed, and is bringing his vampire army to kill Naihiri and really doesn't seem concerned on stopping emrakul
>>48026978
What are you talking about Sorin would never hangout with Werewolves
>>48026980
Well, it's hardly an elective republic. I doubt many of them even know he's their god king, and if they do they can't really get rid of him.
>>48026973those sparks have to go somewhere
>>48026998
Sure, but with his House scattered and the Church destroyed there's not much he can do other than turn up and personally push someone's shit in.
>>48026991
>What I am really hoping for is the silly theory that emrakul is trying to reform the titans given that Brisela has a strong resemblance to Ulamog.
Yeah, I've been liking the sound of that too.
>>48026875
Lhurgoyfs and cards like them have their power and toughness set by their condition in all zones, so I think your zombie token will be the size Tarmogoyf was as it was exiled.
>>48026687
Phage :^)
>>48026980
I don't think the locals know shit about Sorin.
He's not "Lord of Innistrad" because he's been crowned by all the peasantry, it's because he's the Lord of the Markov family.
>>48026994
Well he gets a stoney reception when he goes to visit his family so maybe he went to go play with some puppies.
>>48026998
Liliana can probably slap his shit at this point, he's so cucked he let the following happen:
>the eldrazi being released on zendikar
>Nahiri killing his family
>Nahiri summoning Emrakul to his plane
>let a walker as powerful as Liliana and the chain veil just chill on his plane doing whatever she wants
>left Emrakul to Tamiyo and Jace to deal with
Sorin is shit, I hope Ugin gives him a bollocking for being such a shitter.
>>48027046
>Well he gets a stoney reception when he goes to visit his family
jeez
>>48026985
Vraska is part of the Golgari.
>>48027046
>Well he gets a stoney reception when he goes to visit his family
>>48027005
Right into Ludevic's new spark catching device.
"I needed a power greater than a soul to run this creation, the only logical step was the power of those who can leave this world".
>>48027046
>Nahiri killing his family
by all accounts he was on the outs with the markov clan, not the worst part of nahiri's terrible vengeance.
>>48027066
... How do her motives coincide with theirs? I thought she was a gorgon, so she has to be Golgari, but otherwise has fuck all to do with it. It isn't like she seems to give much of a shit about life and death.
>>48026973
Best ending possible.
>>48027086
>>48027046
Speaking of, what about Edgar? I want to see this Nosferatu bastard go full hog on these.
>>48026628
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=369092
>>48027096
She's part of the horde, but I don't think membership is quite as rigidly defined as it would be in Selesnya. They don't seem the sort to have big meetings and get everybody on board with one plan.
If you need to place her in their whole wheel of life and death, she's Death.
>>48027086
>it's okay to let her kill my family because they don't like me very much anymore
>oh wait, I'm mad now *dons grim nemesis armour*
For an old walker he's pretty dumb, no wonder Bolas doesn't give a fuck about him.
>>48027127
>If you cast it from your hand
Try again.
>>48027127
Scion requires you cast it from your hand for it to activate
>>48027078
Ludevic is utterly brilliant, isn't he?
>>48026365
Feminism. It's also why you'll never see a female in peril in any card art from now on.
>>48026409
No that was just fanon.
>>48027046
Sorin's life has been nothing but a series of bad timing
>Fuck, this Elf bitch let the Eldrazi out, gotta go get my keys to Ugin's place
>Get home, Wonder where my daughter is? Hey! you little Devil shit Get the fuck out my house
>Shit Ugin's dead
>Uh I mean Ugin's a ghost, Ugin some dumb Elf let the Eldrazi out
>Where's Nahari?
>Fuck I knew I forgot something
>Get home, girl he locked in time out has burned down his house, ruined his daughter, and brought her dog to shit on the carpet
I really hope Sorin joins up. The Gatewatch desperately needs a crotchety old man who can fill in for the older playerbase and go 'BACK IN MY DAY we had PROPER planeswalkers. Back then a Spark MEANT something', and complain about how they shouldn't get involved in stuff that doesn't concern them.
>>48027165
>Feminism. It's also why you'll never see a female in peril in any card art from now on.
what
>>48027136
He came back to find them dead. It's not like he watched it happen and thought "This is fine. I don't need to stop it"
>>48026973
>Avengers died.
>Avacyn gains Sorin spark.
>Sigarda also gains a spark.
And then, when we get back at Zendistrad:
>Geralf, Ludevic and Gisa replaces Kozilek, Ulamog and Emrakul as the new villains.
>Avacyn, Sigarda, and Liliana are taking a beating, andGarruksurges saving the day.
>>48027194
He's going to die, Lili joins Jacetice League
>>48027165
We'mrakul ar'emakul just fin'emrakul and dandy'mrakul
>>48027201
Did you forger the shitstorm that was triumph of ferocity?
>>48027252
Still mad
>>48026628
literally came here to post this
sweet baby jesus
>>48027201
The card's name tells you she survives, retard.
>>48027231
>Geralf, Ludevic and Gisa replaces Kozilek, Ulamog and Emrakul as the new villains
This is my new headcanon. People in Innistrad makes a statue featuring all three of them, because they saved Innistrad from Emrakul.
>>48027269
Sure, but women still are in peril.
Though, looking at SOI Art, I definitely noticed Women are more frequently depicted experiencing psychological trauma than physical, while men are the other way.
>>48027269
there will be shitstorms regardless, that doesn't correct the statement that women cant be in peril
>>48027286
the statement was "you'll never see a female in peril in any card art from now on."
The art is quite clearly a women in peril.
>>48027305
"in peril" is a poor choice of words, you'll never see another card like Triumph of Ferocity that >implies a woman is about to get her face smashed in by a man. Any art with a female on it has to show her in control, as an actor and not (just) as a victim.
>>48026628
...is it unthinkable that Ludevic might be a creature card that is ideally built for use with this separator..?
>>48026290
I assumed its something they had inside their body and when they wanted to use it it burst out and stabbed anyone nearby.
God damn maybe I was wrong about this set.
>>48027220
>1/1
>peril
2 little girls can beat that shit up.
>>48027252
Me'mekul
>>48027334
Not really, he's most likely a UB Human Wizard with two tap effects, one to do something similar this, and the other to sacrifice a spirit so he can pump himself.
>>48027333
Not sure the women is in control here
>>48027333
>>48027410
or here
>>48027333
Well, the majority. We still have cards where they are clearly victims, like Persistent Nightmare. Altered Ego is another one. But they are less common, true.
I just looked through BFZ block. Literally 0 removal spells depicting a humanoid woman dying. About 10 depicting men dying. This one might be female. I don't know.
>>48027410
>tfw you came but he still probing.
>>48027426
You know, I hadn't realized that Tamiyo was in that art, or that she was (as a result) totally fine
Eldrazi Dragon When?
>>48027426
>>48027483
>Tamiyo a full head taler than Jace
Kek more like Jmanlet, am i rite?
>>48025328
Most desis want to be white anyway, I'm sure she magic'd up her ideal look when she awakened.
>>48027333
You can't see the perpetrator here, but still the gal doesn't look much in control
>>48027483
Unfortunate effect of having to make art fit on card a lot of stuff gets lost.
Best recent examples are the full arts of emrakul and hanweir
>>48027505
He's slouching against the wall/using Tamiyo for support, he'd just had his shit smashed by Avacyn.
>>48027549
>this is what manlets really believe!
I mean I think the issue with Triumph of Ferocity in people's eyes was that it didn't even really look like a fight, it looked like domestic abuse or something. I doubt anybody would have given a damn if he'd just stabbed her in the chest.
>>48027483
Yeah, we were pretty excited when it leaked, but sad about Ava.
>>48027531
I think we have enough. But it is funny the ratios. There are a lot of men dying in MtG. A lot.
>>48027549
She's also a moonfolk. I mean, they're pretty tall and lithe and stuff.
>>48027558
>le manlet meme
I bet you also spout shite like "T H I C C" and "high test".
>>48027505
considering their different species how can you compare?
>tfw im too short for my giraffe girlfriend
>>48027561
The issue was that people who don't play the game and know nothing about the story felt the need to censor stuff because they're such pathetic people that complaining on the internet is the closest they'll even get to having actual power.
>>48027569
No doubt, Moonfolk are the lanklets of Kamigawa, I'd wager she's taller than Sorin too.
>They ruined mai waifu Gisela
T-thanks Maro...
>>48027587
>>48027575
Maybe but Jace is clearly really short, like 6' or something.
>>48027505
Well, it was never Jace's thing that he was physically imposing or threatening. Being a scrawny bastard psychic works for him.
>>48027595
You know, really short, 6'. Where do you get this stuff?
>>48027601
it was a thing that he met gideon sitting, stood up and didn't clear his chest. jace is canon manlet because he's supposed to be a nerdy little guy.
>>48026410
SJWs would just complain about how toxic MtG players make jokes about the landwhale in the art.
>>48027426
Because there are male angels in this game, amiright?
>>48027746
I really wish there was more.
>>48027746
There's one
>>48025321
Good, fuck that shitty tribe
>>48027770
Two. The Malach of the Dawn and Gabriel Angelfire.
>>48027766
>>48027793
You should know by now that neither Time Spiral block nor Legends are places to go for precedent.
>>48027824
Of course not, but it (card art cant depict women in peril) was not an arguable point to begin with as it was clearly false
>>48025138
>GO MY HAWKMEN
>DIIIIIIIIIIIVE
>>48027899
Looks like the Eldrazi archetype is blue
>>48027899
ooh, interestingly tactical
could be a lot of fun in limited
>>48027899
Imagine that thing bursting out of your chest
>>48027899
Radical
>>48027899
>Elder Deep-Fried
yummy
>>48027931
Just thinking about that it makes it burst out of my pants
>>48027899
The flash really saves this card. Probably not constructed playable though, there's better finishers.
>>48026991
>Given todays mtg story, Sorin already sees his plane as doomed, and is bringing his vampire army to kill Naihiri and really doesn't seem concerned on stopping emrakul
Planeswalkers are whiny kids.
Although to be fair the only thing on the plane he cared about (his family) is more or less dead.
Calling it now, a card with:
'Eldrazi cards in your hand have emerge. Their emerge cost is equal to their mana cost."
Will show up.
>>48027046
>Liliana can probably slap his shit at this point
Liliana loves a good dick, and you know edgy 14 year olds are eager to try pleasing a woman since their reputation is on the line.
>>48027190
Oh God, Sorin isn't edgy and aloof...
He's an old man with dementia!
>>48027907
"Ah well, who wants to live forever?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4nS9IbT-uk
>>48027165
Are you literally this fucking dumb, or just pretending?
>>48027899
emerge cost should be lower.
8 mana vs
1 creature and double blue and the higher the CMC of the creature you sac'ced the less likely you wanted to sac it.
>>48028041
>who wants to live forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtpf8N5IDE
>>48026628
>Forcing STAND POWAA!!
Ludevic, the real madman did it again.
>>48027966
>Finisher
This is a tempo swing, Sac something and flash this out on your opponent's upkeep turn 4-5 and tap out their whole manabase
Should I buy a shadows of innistrad box or wait until eldritch moon drops before getting new cards?
>>48028065
Obviously, you flash it in in response to removal aimed at the creature you sac, genius.
>>48028109
Huh, yeah. I was thinking flash it in on the opp's endstep, tap 4 blockers and swing in.
>>48028065
>Play Reality smasher, swing for 5
>On opponent's end step sac Reality Smahser and pay UU to bring this back and tap 4 permanents
>Swing for another 5
>Do the same shit next end step with another one in your GY
>>48027269
Yes. A "shitstorm" that was because a woman was in peril, thereby defeating your own damned argument!
>>48027333
>>48027430
>It's not a *human*
>Ulamog isn't male
Keep trying
Be honest, you just wanted us to indulge your ryona fetish, didn't you?
>>48028134
why are you buying booster boxes at all
go draft
>>48027921
We knew that since Coax was spoiled. And with the shitty Emerge enchantment that cares about 7 cmc Eldrazi, UG emerge is def replacing UG clues.
Plebbit's spoilers just went up.
>>48028155
Even still, there are a lot a lot more males. This isn't a crusade for me, just an interesting tidbit of marketing.
>>48028073
Is there a card that gives activated abilities Replicate?
>>48028156
maybe he drafts with friends
that's why I get boxes
>>48028190
And the back.
>>48027581
>>48027561
Honestly if you only see the card, it really does look like a big rapey guy about to bash some scantily clad fantasy harlot's face in.
>Complaining on the internet about people complaining on the internet
Oh irony, they name is Anonymous.
>>48027663
It's a meme. It implies the poster is taller than that.
>>48027899
>Eldrazi Octopus
THAT'S IT
SHOW'S OVER
EVERYONE CAN GO HOME NOW, IT WON'T GET ANY BETTEr
>>48028200
which is objectively the best reason to buy a box
but you and I both know he isn't talking about that
>>48028211
Second card.
>>48028190
>>48028211
dies to shock/10
WHEN IS LILIANA GETTING SPOILED?
>>48028190
>>48028227
NotevenplayableinEDH/10
>>48028227
Backside.
>>48027252
I'm not taking my dick'mrakul anywhere near that thing.
>>48028235
MAI WAIFU IS PURE. PUUUUURE!>implying
>>48028235
Monday.
>>48028245
Last of plebbit's spoilers.
'pay lots of mana to flip' is not interesting design space, in my view
>>48028267
And its back.
>>48028280
it's not like the other flip design was playable
>>48026638
>denoument
>english word
I'll bet you pronounce it "deh-noo-ment" you philistinewho's the pedantic jerk now?! Wooooo!
>>48028267
>>48028282
Why is this green and not red?
>>48028193
Yeah, but despite what alt-righties will tell you, there are more men overall.
>>48028190
>>48028211
>>48028227
>>48028245
>>48028267
>>48028282
>Self-transforming werewolf
>Too expensive to fucking bother
Also, stop calling it plebbit. Christ, you whiny little shit.
>>48028284
Neat.
>>48028293
Because yiffers are in both colors.
>>48028284
Neat. Sack tokens to get real creatures.
>>48028284
There is a goat.
Why. Is there. A GOAT?
>>48028190
>>48028211
Raf can't catch a break, can he?
>>48028298
If you like it so much, go back there faggot.
>>48028317
>Because yiffers are in both colors.
The card is red, tho. 2/1 for 1? Red. Menace? Red. If they wanted to make a green eldraziwoof, why not design it as a green card?
>>48028267
green savanna lion?
>>48028318
eldrazi confirmed goats
>>48028318
Satanic symbolism maybe?
>>48028318
It's just that type of hentai... also Trading Post reprint?
>>48028284
>sacc outlet and madness in one card
Fuck me, straight into my Ob Nix deck it goes!
>>48028284
THICC
>>48026902
>wordfilter is there to discourage niggerspeak
>not to encourage it
>not believing it exists to dumb down the speech patterns of the common man to lower the collective worth of society and make us more susceptible to influence
You fucked up desu senpai
>>48028298
Also, stop calling it plebbit
>>48028298
>Also, stop calling it plebbit
>>48028298
>stop calling it plebbit
>>>/plebbit/
>>48028318
the third arm and tentacles aren't what made her a pariah.
>>48028298
>Also, stop calling it plebbit
>>48028298
>Also, stop calling it plebbit
>>48028328
>>48028399
>>48028419
>>48028425
>>48028445
I'm sorry if I upset you. You see, I'm not 14, so "cleverly" mocking another website that you clearly go to by riffing on its name doesn't really impress me.
>>48028329
Green has Menace.
>>48028436
Heyo!
>>48027899
>octopus
>emerge cost is 7
>taps 4 permanents
>5 power
>6 toughness
everything is so wrong and perverse!
>>48028466
>You see, I'm not 14,
>>48028481
>>48028484
>>48028533
>"I hate another website, am I cool yet?"
I'll say what I said last thread. It's childish and annoying. Inter-site rivalries are one of the dumbest things on the internet.
>>48028482
To be fair it's been mutated by Emrakul, so it probably has more than 8 limbs anyway.
>>48028543
get out of here
>>48028543
Jesus christ shut the fuck up you whiny bitch
>Memeshit spam
Good thing the thread is saging. Anymore spoilers coming today?
What's happening in the story?
>>48028543
You are one of the dumbest things on the internet.
The fact that you don't know why each site hates each other shows that you are childish, retarded, and annoying as a result of the other two.
>>48028543
>I'm a contrarian cocksucking faggot who's witty and mature, am I cool yet?
No. Leave.
>>48028614
>What's happening in the story?
Liliana is being the hero we need and deserve.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/innistrads-last-hope-2016-06-29
>>48028637
"Stop using a dumb meme" filled the thread with trolling.
Site rivalries are childish. I don't care "why they hate each other". You don't have to swear your fucking fealty when you're on the internet.
>>48028701
>You don't have to swear your fucking fealty when you're on the internet.
Yeah, you know that and I know that, but I don't think HE knows that.
>>48028701
Why do you care so much that someone else dislikes a thing
>>48028293
Green gets can't be blocked except by one.
>>48028701
get the fuck out of here
Post the new thread.
>>48028701
>meme
>trolling
>rivalries are childish
Why don't you come back in 10 years when you get old enough to actually post here. 4chan doesn't hate leddit/facebook/whatever because it is "cool", or "just because", or some stupid shit like "internet hate machine".
>>48028776
And you didn't even read his fucking post, can't you two see you're actually BOTH saying the same thing?
>>48028849
>his
stop samefagging
>>48028849
It seens like you can't fucking read, because I am saying that there is a reason as to why pleddit is called pleddit, and it is not because of your retarded, childish and annoying reasoning.
>>48028776
Dude, why do you even care? Oh no, they "steal" memes? The sites are practically the same, even if you don't want to admit it.
>>48028923
This thread is dead, so enlighten me. Why do you fight back against the evil "Plebbit" foe? What makes your cause worthy, brave sir knight?
>>48028871
>>48028923
I hope you step on a lego.
>>48028041
Is that Johnathan Rhys-Davies?
>>48028952
or... BRIAN BLESSED?!
So, which of the SOI Werwolves do you think will end up as this Fibrous Entangler the design team are talking about?
>>48028190
>>48028211
just fuck up my red creatures, famalam
why are red creatures all either completely unplayable, or turbo sanic fast fucking strong 1 or 2 drops?
>>48028952
>>48028968
The second one.
>>48028195
Strionic Resonator is the closest you get, but it would only copy creature etb abilities.
>>48028980
No idea, but I like the fact that most of these Wolfdrazi are versions of the ones from SOI.
>>48028925
>>48028940
>>48028951
>>>/reddit/
>>48028211
>>48028245
>>48028282
I love how clearly The Thing inspired these art designs are.
>>48028291
Basically English certainly includes words of foreign origin that have entered the lexicon. Like philistine.
>>48028969
Fibrous Entangler?
>>48029050
Christ, shut the fuck up
>>48029074
>>>/reddit/
>>48028195
>>48029008
Illusionist's Bracers
Rings of Brighthearth
>>48028925
>>48028940
>they "steal" memes
implying this is even a reason. 4chan hated plebbit even before memes was a thing.
>practically the same
Yeah, they are all the same, 4chan, facebook, reddit, tumblr, gaia...
>fight back against the evil "Plebbit" foe
No one is "fighting" it. It is just a nickname, calling it for what it is. If you weren't from a fucking shitty hugbox you would understand, but you will never.
>>48029074
>Fibrous Entangler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiehdxHTFR8
Jump to 0:36, that thing right there is FIbrous Entangler, also it was the the thing they talked about a lot in episode 2 of the Access Magic...thing for the set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDbp30NeZk
>>48029102
Memes were always a thing. Hell, >>48028419 half the shit there (or more) originated on 4chan.
I'm not even from Reddit, you dumbass.
And yeah, you definitely are acting like you're some kind of heroic knight fighting the enemy here, but you're just namecalling like this is the playground.
>>48029132
And of course I post the trailer that CAN'T be played back on 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCbhisqd_co
>>48029158
>Memes were always a thing
Welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay!
>>48029158
>Memes were always a thing
>This is what the kids nowadays believes
>>48029132
>It's literally pronounced Emra-cool
Hip, daddio.
Watching this thing, I want to see an artbook for Innistrad. Do we have a scan of the Zendikar one yet?
>Meld was originally intended for New Phyrexia
ALL WILL BE COMPLEAT
>>48029200
Yes, that was the reason that was said in reply to "before there were memes"
>>48029243
>This kid doesn't know memes are older than 4chan
>>48029243
gr8 b8In case you are serious look up the word memetic.
Pic related is a meme. Hell it probably even existed before the interwebs
>>48029259
>>48029292
>implying anyone would fucking say meme
Just die fucking kids.
>>48029364
>Implying you aren't literally on a website that does exactly that
seriously baka desu senpai?
>>48027950
Hey! Don't touch my Elder deep-friend!
>>48029364
You realize "meme" was a word before 4chan even existed, right?
>>48029364
I would not say meme irl. Fair enought. But that doesn't make that somehow not a meme.
Hell, I cringe when I hear the word meme in real life regardless of the context. Mostly because it's associated with shit thesedays
>>48029071
>implying this isn't all an elaborate joke to tickle my linguistic funny bone
>>48029395
>Hell, I cringe when I hear the word meme in real life regardless of the context. Mostly because it's associated with shit thesedays
>Yo dude check out this funny meme!
>It's an image macro
>>48024745
DRAGONS ARE HERESY AND MUST BE PURGED..
- The Lunarch Council.
I'm just glad the weird dryads are still around...
Aren't innistrad dryads the cutest.
>>48029375
>>48029394
>>48029395
It happened, everything is now a meme, even things in the past got retroactively being called memes.
>>48024830
Zombina alt art when?
Also she looks like sally from nightmare before Christmas.
>>48025100
I like that you can turn the big zombie from Geralf into a bunch of regular zombies with Gisa.
>>48029491
Shit nigger.
Meme is just a term for an idea that spreads kinda like a virus (with the option of mutations).
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/memes
It's closely related to memetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics
>>48029582
Stop being retarded. I am talking about the use of the word, but of course you wouldn't know, because you were not alive when meme wasn't a thing.
>>48029491
Uh... do you know what the word "meme" actually means?
Even then, that word is older than 4chan. And the concept of an internet meme is also older than 4chan. Although I will say I'm legitimately surprised I can haz cheezburger is only from 2007. Feels ancient.
>>48029437
But... that is a meme. Image macros are a textbook example of internet memes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_meme
Is everyone in this thread taking crazy pills?
>>48029582
>Closely related
Well, I mean, as closely related as "water" is to "wetness".
Or "biological organisms" are to "biology".
>>48029646
You would be correct there. The term "meme" was first used in 1976, which was before I was born. But I don't see how that makes things that exactly fit the definition of memes not memes.
A Virus in 500 AD was still a Virus even though the term virus and virology did not exist.
>>48029646
Kids look up the shit on knowyourmeme and think that they know everything. Digital inclusion was a mistake.
>>48029746
I don't know why you are trying to argue, you won't know when meme as thing or not, so you think that meme was a thing since 1976, because it was written on wikipedia that they used the word meme on 1976.
>>48029839
I don't think that memes as we know them today were dascribed by that very word ever since the inception of the word.
But stuff like in the image here >>48029292 is definitely fitting of the dictionary defitition of a meme.
That's what I'm trying to say: Memes were always a thing. The word not, but ideas spreading like a virus (probably "mutating" while spreading) did. And nowadays we have a term for that.
You could argue that Religion is the oldest meme.
>>48029646
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>>48029839
I don't even know what we're arguing at this point. Are you people actually trying to say that "meme" as it's used today is some recent term? The term as it's applied to internet memes is at least early 2000s, and much older than Reddit, which is the opposite of what >>48029102
>4chan hated plebbit even before memes was a thing.
this dumbass said.
And I still don't know why I'm supposed to hate Reddit, or RPG.net, or whoever else. I mean, I'll hate SomethingAwful for their shitty practice of paying to get around bans, and that time they called Reddit a child porn site due to r/creepshots. I'll hate 9gag or that other site, where they just upload artifact heavy bullshit and slap their watermark on it. I'll hate eBaum's world (which somehow still exists) for the same. I guess I'll even hate Gawker (though I'm not so childish as to "deny them the clicks"). But I'm not going to hate websites just because.
And I doubt 4chan of all places hates Reddit for being overrun with alt-right shitheads.
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