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OT: >>47971883
Throwbacks to another cycle.
>>47999653
Yeah, this works, though it's less cheeky when blue gets it.
>>47999821
Ah, the Echoing cards. Not a bad cycle to callback to.
>>47999653
I really like this. It's simple, clean.
Reposting the normal set mythics I have roughed out so far. After this, I have seven more to make, including the two planeswalkers for the set. Then, the set will be done!
Had some fun doing this.
>>47999979
I think Failed Replication, should be Failed Replicant instead, feels more like a creature that way.
>>47999962
Reminder text is not rules text.
When ~ enters the battlefield, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with converted mana cost 4 or less. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren’t cast on the bottom of your library in a random order.
>>48000026
I can do that.
>>47999962
Wording needs a bit or work since reminder text isn't rules text, so it's not airtight. Cascade for UR seems okay.
>>47999979
>almost done
Jealous. So jealous. I've commented on all these already, so not much sense in repeating them since none seem to have changed since then. Though I will reiterate that casting the front half of Nomad's Assembly as an attack trigger on a first striker is the epitome of a super safe and extremely strong play, especially at CMC4.
>>48000057
I also feel like it could trade in its strip counters ability for something that can give itself more counters. Or maybe have it steal counters.
>>47999962
Typo on the name, unless Erractic means something I'm missing.
>>48000002
You monster.
>>48000091
Other abilities on other cards in the set can add counters to it. I don't want it to be too self-sustaining.
>>48000060
Do you have any changes that you'd suggest?
>>48000264
Could add a number of tokens equal to the amount of damage Selif deals to the defending player. That'd be more balanced I'd think, and it plays nice with combat tricks, which white loves.
>>48000354
Sounds like a plan to me, anon. An inverse Darien. I like it.
>>48000857
I think you could just make it
>Creature cards in your hand have Goat offering.
>>48000989
Then when it's on the stack, it doesn't have offering any more.
>>48000857
"Creature spells you cast have Goat offering."
ala Chief Engineer.
It's a rare moment when I get struck by inspiration for a card with less than five lines of text. I'm such a hack.
>>48001155
"Creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield" then.
I have no idea if this is the proper templating for this sort of ability.
>>48001506
Something tells me it could even be 2UU since it targets a subset of creatures. But then again, you or your opponent can't undo its effects because it's a sorcery.
>>48001627
I don't think that's ever been a thing in magic, but it seems ok enough to me.
>>48001680
I costed it off of Govern the Guildless, which was at 5U and hit monocolored creatures, but also had a Forecast ability. It could probably be fine at 2UU though.
Inspired by one of the regular poster's Gheric Obliterator, if I'm remembering the card name correctly.
>>47998844
Counters a fetchland and draws a card (making it broken in modern/legacy/vintage), also too close to remand against non-creature centric decks (making it broken for most other potential formats).
>>48001627
I think you might need the "most common" templating they used in Invasion.
Compare:
>Goham Djinn 5B
>Creature - Djinn 5/5
>1B: Regenerate Goham Djinn
>Goham Djinn gets -2/-2 as long as black is the most common color among all permanents or is tied for most common.
So possibly something like:
>~ has flying as long as Swamp is the most common land type among lands you control or is tied for most common.
>>47999979
Hyena is a valid creature type.
>>48001985
They aren't hyenas, they're gnolls.
>>48002090
Come on, at least give them haste.
>>48002090
so chump blockers and that's it?
>>48002175
>>48002206
You could, in theory, do it on their end step and attack with them on your turn. But yeah, I agree, probably needs haste.
>>48002175
>>48002206
Seems like a Jhonny card. You get the most out of it by abusing flicker effects.
>>48002229
>You get the most out of it by abusing flicker effects.
"They lose all abilities"
>>48002243
When you flicker them they become different objects.
>>48002249
I suppose.
>>48002222
A couple of vanilla creatures with haste is still pretty nasty for 3cmc.
>>48002269
I'm assuming you would use this on large vanilla things.
Or at least, things that are now vanilla.
>>48002300
It slots pretty easily into a reanimate shell, as you get the creatures back to reanimate later and most reanimate targets have big bodies.
>>48002009
And yet the creature type says "Hound" when gnolls are anthropomorphic Hyenas.
>>48002388
Best not get into a fight him - timeanon does whatever he wants with regards to creature subtypes.
Probably a broken as fuck land, as usual.
>>48002090
You can't just scrub out all abilities without setting power and toughness, since creatures that lose their CDAs now have undefined p/t.
>>48002009
Loxodon are Elephants.
Orochi are Snakes.
Wolfir are Wolves.
Nezumi are Rats.
Leonin are Cats.
If your creature is an anthromorphic version of a creature type, you use that creature type.
>>48002525
Naga is a creature type.
>>48002551
And do you see the difference? They're not fully anthromorphic. Same with Centaurs.
>>48001800
It's better in terms of memory and precedent to just use the Sengir Vampire text plus the exile.
>>48002579
Losing the death trigger to its own replacement effect makes it somewhat weird in its own regard, though.
Also, is the correct wording "a creature... is exiled" or "a creature... is put into exile"?
>>48002695
Just roll the +1/+1 counter bit into the replacement effect.
", instead exile it and put a +1/+1 counter on ~."
>>48002767
Durrr, I'm dumb. Thank you.
Have a big fat penguin... thing.
M15 high res template is coming along. I just gotta create the colored land images, the foil image at the bottom, and adjust some of the text
>>47999821
>Ringing Courage in a tokens deck
>My dick
>>48003234
Well, there's Righteous Charge for 1WW at sorcery speed, and that hits all creatures you control, not just ones with the same CMC. Like the Echoing cycle I based them off of, the blue one is probably the best.
Have a silly Red card.
Escalate could be so much better than it will be.
>>48003604
>5 cost, deal 9 damage to target player
The elemental almost has no point to it besides knocking out creatures and hexproof players
>>48003631
i knew it would be impossible to balance a lightning bolt on a repeatable stick, hmm...
original version had 3 targeted and 1 board-wide. 2 damage is probably fine instead of 3, as for the second one, hmm... i'll think on it
>>48001818
Why is countering fetchlands so bad? The damn things smooth play out so much that they could use a kick in the ass, couldn't they? I guess it's true that WotC really kinda hates attacking mana bases these days, so any kind of hate like that is a no-no. I guess I'll do something else with that slot.
>>48002905
Looking good. This will be for MSE? Or Photoshop? I thought I had seen it mentioned previously.
>>48003663
You'd be better off with a cheaper initial cost and a higher escalate regardless.
>>48004243
Countering a fetch for 1 mana is not really a problem, but putting on an already playable cantrip is pretty OP.
I'd rather the fetchlands be banned that have that bullshit in the meta.
>>48004256
MSE
>>48004305
Fair enough. Card is already deleted. I'll do something else. I do want to keep it as a "tempo" counter though, but with Unsubstantiate basically stealing what I wanted to do with the slot because I thought it was too good, I have to either rip it off or think of something else.
>>48004309
Nice. Looking forward to it, anon.
Closing out my night with a mediocre zombie lord.
>>48004435
Not bad. Should be "Long-Dead" though I think. The idea of some dead samurai teaching zombies to "get honorable" and whipping them into disciplined warriors is pretty heartwarming.
>>48002905
If possible, try to make it so the words don't overlap the P/T textbox. This is a pretty big problem with the current template.
Am I being trolled by someone from /ccg/ posting fake cards as actual spoilers from Eldritch Moon or is this actually a thing that Wizards put into a set?please tell me this is a joke
>>48005048
Meld is real. Sorry anon. So is Brisela.
>>48005054
>Brisela
oh god this is actually stupider than Shelkin Brownie.
Thoughts on this? Wasn't too sure what to set the P/T
>>48005105
"2: ~ gains... *until end of turn*"
If you want a never ending ability, you have to stick a counter on it or something to deal with memory issues.
Keywords aren't capitalized.
P/T could probably be 4/4. Legendary tricolor creatures can afford being big.
>>48005105
...until end of turn? Cause otherwise, you have memory issues to start. Also honestly, it doesn't NEED to be 5 color, but it really feels like it wants to be. If you did make it 5 color, it could be 4/4 at the very least, though, probably even 5/5. It depends on what you want from the card.
>>48005113
>>48005114
right, thanks. How is it now? The P/T thing was also a thing I thought about, is it too much? I kind of liked the simplicity of the first one.
>>48005139
And of course I actually forgot to fix the most important part. Oops.
>>48005149
You need to use the full legend name the first time the card's name is mentioned, but after that you can use the abbreviated name. ~ will give you the full name, and @ will give you the legend name (short name) as shortcuts.
>>48005048
>implying this is new
>>48005198
Technically you don't need to, but convention dictates that you do unless you're really crammed for space (which in that case, make more space instead).
>>48005227
Meld is slightly better because with this and the Spirit of Night or whatever the black combo was called, you needed all the cards in your deck. Meld only requires the two, then they become the third, so it's a little easier to use.
I don't care for Meld at all because it feels like DFC's Megamorph. It's just DFC, but "bigger".
>>48005263
>Megamorph
>>48005114
WUBRG always feels like a cop-out as far as mana costs go. It's basically admitting you couldn't be bothered to think of which colours the card would be and defaulted to all of them.
>>48005283
Exactly.
>>48005294
I guess, except the damn thing uses keywords from every color, so really it kinda wants it. But yeah, with some cards it does feel like a cop out. Trust me, I am fairly reductionist when it comes to color identity in cards, so I wouldn't bandy five color suggestions around if I didn't think there was merit to it. If it were just some crazy ability, I would really try to figure out the minimum of colors it needed.
>>48005263
It's more like black-bordered BFM, and for that alone I approve of it.
>>48005318
Eh, kinda. BFM was charming because it was tongue-in-cheek. Meld is just lame to me.
>>48005316
>I guess, except the damn thing uses keywords from every color
First Strike: R
Lifelink: W
Haste: R
Vigilance: W
Flying: W
Hexproof: G
Trample: G
It looks pretty okay under its original color identity. Flying's probably the one that could be argued to be a case for blue, but the others are all primaries in their color.
>>48005364
It's a matter of opinion, I think. Whenever I see keyword soup cards it makes me think of five color stuff simply because that's what it feels like: taking all the colors and their primary keywords and mashing them up. I could do the same thing you did for all five colors and be just as valid, so it boils down to viewpoint mostly. Frankly it ain't my card so it can (and should) be how the creator ultimately wants it, though he added a few keywords to the five color one so now it just feels moreso to me, even though what he added still falls under RGW technically (menace and deathtouch).
Tryna see what kind of shenanigans I can pull with these faction themes. This one is certified spicy as far as I'm concerned.
>>48005552
This is really cool, but I think I'd like it better as a sorcery.
>>48005586
I'm inclined to agree. Change made.
>>48005552
Swapped for Exile also because after consideration I really probably don't want a better version of Entomb anywhere in my set.
...although maybe I could...
no no that would be gross.
>>48005681
Rewrite it to
"Search your library for a card and put it onto the battlefield face down. It gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. (A face down permanent is a 2/2 creature).
The rules already define facedown permanents as a 2/2 creature so you dont need to say it in the card text, except perhaps in reminder text.
>>48002388
>>48002545
I could use Gnoll if I wanted, they're custom cards, I could have made up my own creature type. I went with Hound. Hyena is too specific, it would subvert average player expectation. Even if hyenas are technically members of the feline family, the average person looks at them and sees ratty little dogs. Gnolls look a lot like the Ainok, and so I followed Wizards' lead there.
>>48002410
No offense, anon, but it is my set, my block. I'm the one pouring hours of my free time into these cards. If I want to make a faction of red and black soldiers or use Hound instead of Hyena, I'm going to, and I really don't feel like that decision has any negative impact on the set or the cards whatsoever.
Hooray for Wizard tribal!
>>48005862
Its a shame he isn't tutorable with Vedalken Aethermage, although i wouldn't play it in modern wizards either way.
>>47999821
Solid.
The Darkness. I'll probably make an enchantment that shows off the Darkness itself, which I imagine will make Imp tokens.
What do you think needs to be changed, nerfed, buffed or just right out cut?
Flavor text will be coming once the set's cards are finalized.
Ally Draft v0.1
>>48007387
And Enemy draft v0.1.
So, now that we have the final part of that Delver line, did anyone do anything similar with the Audrey II DFC that came up quite some time ago?
If not then I do have some ideas.
>One is a DFC that relies on Trample and him eating creatures with a tap effect to give himself +1/+1 counters, once you have X counters you can flip him over to a side which enters the battlefield with as many counters as he had originally, only difference is that by removing counters, you get 1/1 BG Plant Zombie Tokens with Undying. Unfortunately this side loses Trample, but keeps the eating people to pump itself gimmick.
>>48008004
The other idea I had for a DFC based on this was that he eventually turns from a giant Plant Horror that shits out plantzombie tokens and eats people...into a Land that shits out plantzombie tokens and also re-animates your creatures from the graveyard as plantzombies.
That one would be significantly harder to pull off.
Wording help needed.Finally my autism can be set free.
You know what wee need...Meld Slivers!
>>48008537
My only problem with this is the "two or more" line, as we have only had two card Melds so far, though I can see how it could be done, it would still be complicated.
>>48008596
It's two or more precisely because Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon is first in line in this joke of a set I'm making. My problem is whether it's clear you can't just take two out of three creatures needed.
This set is the best.
I think Phyrexian Artifact Creature Melders might be interesting.
Assimilator Trap (Monoblack +1/+1 Living Weapon that melds with a creature on your opponents side of the battlefield when it does combat damage to it)+3/2 Blightswimmer Shark(Monoblue Artifact Creature shark that you can place onto your opponents battlefield under your control)=Crawling Blightshark (Gashunk Gashunk)
>>48005788
You talk about trying to not subvert player expectation using Hounds instead of Hyenas, then in the same breath are willing to do RB Soldiers?
People here are also spending hours of their own free time commented and critiquing your cards. You can do whatever you want with your tribes, mechanics and flavor, but when people repeatedly point out how weird and wrong some of it feels, you can't just brush it off because it makes sense to you.
>>48009096
The Emerge cost should be even higher considering there's an upside to it.
Maybe 4BB.
>>48009335
Wait, Hyens is a valid creature type? That's retarded. They got rid of Anteater.
Anyway, a lot of people don't like my creature types. I've had people complain about the flavor of my zombie and insect cards, even though on my plane, I want both of those creature types to be intelligent.
I just brush it off because I treat all my card art as placeholder art. I imagine if I ever got an artist, the insect people or zombies would be much more visibly intellectual.
>>48009498
>>48009498
>They got rid of Anteater.
No card was ever printed that actually had "Anteater" written on it, and Pangolins aren't Anteaters anyway.
>>48009543
I just assumed they errata'd it to something sensible since then.
>>48009559
Sure and Anemones aren't Jellyfish. Creature types operate on a "close enough" basis. You shouldn't have creature types that are only on one card for the sake of accuracy, unless it is a joke like Brushwagg (which could've been an elemental beast by now).
>>48009604
>You shouldn't have creature types that are only on one card for the sake of accuracy, unless it is a joke like Brushwagg (which could've been an elemental beast by now).
When you start working at Wizards, people will actually take this seriously. But not a moment before.
>>48009641
I'm criticizing WOTC, not ya'll. Though, I personally stick to established creature types unless I want to do something like the Zubera.
>>48009335
There's a big difference between intentional subversion of player expectations and unintentional subversion.
>You can't just brush it off
I don't, I've made deep and comprehensive changes to my sets based on feedback. But I also started this block with several base concepts in mind, and I've built the sets upon those foundations. I have no way of knowing whether people commenting are aware of the things I'm purposefully doing differently, or if they just popped in and notice, "Hey, that's weird." Plus, a lot of those weird things are foundational, and I'm far too far into the block to change them with any sort of efficiency, nor would I want to just to confirm to aggregate design philosophy.
>>48009604
The point was that the card they errata'd into being an Anteater was not actually even depicting an Anteater to begin with. When it was decided to reprint it in Eternal Masters they had the decision to either print Anteater as a type or revert the errata.
The difference here is that the decision singularly affected Prowling Pangolin and nothing else. Comparatively, "Jellyfish" as a type was not introduced for Clinging Anemones, it was a preexisting type they chose so as not to introduce a new type for corner cases.
Comparatively, you're not faced with the same dilemma. Hyena is a legal type. The only reason not to use it for your Gnolls is if it injures your pride.
>>48009752
I am not the gnoll guy, clearly. I would use Hyena, but I'd rather they eliminate stupid creature types that prevent dumb tribal decks from functioning.
>>48009693
Can I steal this card?
>>48009806
Go for it. My "set" isn't being used for anything. My idea was that Delve was Grixis, but I ended up with it in 5 colors like landfall.
Glad you like it.
Any idea how to cost this?
>>48010075
The drawback is hefty but it still feels like it'd play hell with limited being so cheap.
>>48010146
Well, I guess I could change it to increase the mana cost and decrease the Equip cost. So... a mana cost of ~5 and Equip cost of ~1?
And one more card while I'm here.
>>48007387
>>48007407
isn't 30 common hybrid creatures a bit much?
replace the bottom row of each with spells
>>48010168
Just compare/contrast Darksteel Plate. It's the same thing without drawbacks, and it's 3-drop, 3-equip.
>>48010146
It's a Legendary rare. It's going to be largely irrelevant in limited.
>>48010226
>>48010168
I guess then 5 and 1 is good. Both 6 mana for the initial, but equipments with cheap attach costs are generally better.
>>48009752
>Comparatively, you're not faced with the same dilemma. Hyena is a legal type. The only reason not to use it for your Gnolls is if it injures your pride.
No, you misunderstand. I didn't want gnolls and then accidentally mislable them as hounds. I wanted dog-folk, and perhaps accidentally mislabled them as hounds. If anything, I'd change what I call them before I'd change their subtype.
>>48010731
Damn, that second "mislable as hounds" is supposed to be "mislable as gnolls"
Would a card like this see play in modern?
>>48010924
No.
>>48002905
based anon.
>>48010924
Nope!
>>48011398
>>48011410
Too much. Seht's tiger is great and all, but you can't hose a color that hard, even if you can shock the knight.
>>48011398
>>48011410
This >>48011530
These would be better if combined.
Seht's Imperial Shieldmagekek[1WW]
2/2
FS
When ~ etb's, choose a color.
~ and you have protection from spells and abilities of the chosen color.
>>48011577
This is sort of weak, as you can straight up get hexproof for 1W from that Theros card.
>>48011611
Assuming your opponent doesn't want to deal damage to you for any reason.
>>48011703
They can still attack you, it's only given protection from spells and abilities of that color, not blanket protection from color.
>>48011747
Oh right. I didn't realize the edit. Well, it does stop untargetted damage. But yeah, not crazy.
>“Bestow [cost]” means “You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost.” and “If you chose to pay this spell’s bestow cost, it becomes an Aura enchantment and gains enchant creature. These effects last until one of two things happens: this spell has an illegal target as it resolves or the permanent this spell becomes, becomes unattached.”
>>48011919
way undercosted
>>48012352
Mmm? A 3 mana do nothing enchantment? What formats?
In limited, it is most definitely only tapping one or two dudes during your turn. Maybe one blow out with an inspiration.
In constructed, Legacy isn't casting a 3 mana enchantment just to "hose" creatures. Modern? Maybe. Standard? Dependant on the instant speed draw in the set.
Does this planeswalker seem balanced? Or is it too cheap for what it does?
>>48002201
The transform effect should probably be "1G: Transform Leonine Scalemail and attach it to equipped creature"
>>48013745
It's already attached by virtue of being equipped
>>48013665
6 mana for just that?
Would a card like this see play in modern ad nauseam combo? Or would it be worse than existing options?
I think a card like this would help the WR Equipment archetype that Wizards pushed hard in the new Zendikar set to see play.
>>48013775
I'm not even sure how the type-swapping would work in regards to continuing to be attached to something, but the flavor of the card seems to be in line with Grafted Exoskeleton in that it become permanently bonded to the creature. I'd suggest losing the transform ability from the back side.
>>48014411
It is clearly a bottom-up card. The enchantment is way stronger, but if you kill it, it goes away so you can always turn it back into equipment. If the flavor doesn't fit, he'll change it, but art is hard to find.
Should I keep this as a static ability, or make it an activated ability with an associated cost, Dralnu style?
>>48014838
Considering you can only do it as a sorcery, it seems fine, but the ability is pretty black.
>>48014900
The ability shows up in black, too. But green is also good at returning stuff from the grave, especially creatures.
>>48014971
one of the few good cards ive ever seen in one of these threads
>>48014898
More likely something like
>At the beginning of each player's upkeep, put a Red Sun counter on each non-red, non-black creature that player controls.
>Creatures with Red Sun counters on them can't block unless their controller pays 1 life for each Red Sun counter on each of those creatures.
>card
Attempting to get you the 12 1/1 Squirrels you need to kill a Kozilek, or something. Probably needs to cost more and a wording cleanup. The idea is that if you have a 2/2 and they have a 6/6, you get 4 Soldiers, and if they have a 12/12 and you have nothing, you get 12.
>>48014074
>just
It is a pretty strong effect, I thought six would make it balanced. That said, what do you think of this card?
>>48015007
Green is usually limited when returning things from the grave. In most cases it's to the hand. The fullest extent is when paired with black.
White also gets the grave to battlefield ability to some extent, though that's also limited to weaker creatures.
>>48015050
The wording seems right, if not a bit clunky, but I feel like this card should do at least a little something even if you control a creature with higher toughness.
>>48015693
>The wording seems right, if not a bit clunky, but I feel like this card should do at least a little something even if you control a creature with higher toughness.
I thought of it as a Super Timely Reinforcements, which doesn't do anything either if you're ahead on life and ahead on creatures.
I honestly wanted it to compare their toughness to your power, to semi-guarantee a kill if you decided to block with most/all of your board, but I figured most people would gloss over it and get confused when it doesn't read consistently.
>>48015693
>green is usually limited when returning things from the grave
I disagree, cards like eternal witness in green are the least limited when it comes to returning cards from the grave.
>In most cases it's to the hand
True. But, if Moldgraf Monstrosity is okay in green, then I don't see too much of an issue here. Especially since it is limited to creatures.
Would a card like this be balanced? It is similar to dig through time, except more restrictive in mana cost and only working with certain types of cards.
>>48015858
Digging eight cards deep is very powerful. Dig Through Time was (somewhat) balanced by that you couldn't chain them willy-nilly. With this, I cast it end step and grab a useful spell and another Affinity for Magic, then do it again on my turn.
Cycle, I guess? Let me know if this has been done before. Flavor of the set is essentially Conspiracy but Not.
>>48015985
I compare it to mystical teachings which for one more mana (and without being three colors) allows you to search for any instant in your library along with having flashback. When compared to that, it seems much more balanced.
>>48016129
Yuck a lot of these turned out ugly. Oop.
>>48016129
Four ETB triggers and a tap trigger really gets my autism, anon.
Also, if Encode is a keyword ability (like Flash or Delve), you can just reference it straight.
>When ~ enters the battlefield, draw a card and reveal it. If the drawn card has Encode, you may...
>>48016174
Oh fuck I totally meant to fix that, too. Noted.
>>48016227
Jesus am I literally retarded today? I can't type for shit apparently.
>>48016227
I'm not liking the one shot kill potential here.
>>48016267
I pretty much agree. I'd like it to target the player but I'm having a hard time thinking of a way to make that work without killing in one hit if you're rolling with a bunch of fatties.
I might just change it to creature and be done with it, but that's not as cool.
>>48016227
Discarding your hand to do things feels BR, nor WR (see Malfegor). But both W and B do appreciate sacrifice, so its probably fine.
Also "deals damage to [target player/creature]/[defending player] equal to the total converted mana cost of all cards discarded this way minus the number of cards discarded this way."
>>48016295
You might have to go back to the drawing board. Discarding your entire hand is such a large cost that any effect that comes off it is going to be really swingy.
>>48016136
Mystical Teachings cost 10 mana and 2 colors to tutor for two instants. This costs 3 mana in 3 colors to dig for two instants but also any sorcery or enchantment. Perhaps try another comparison?
I hate balancing planeswalkers. Help me out, guys. Should I bump this up to 6cmc? Do the abilities look interesting?
>>48017242
You know that if you play the cards she exiles with her +1, she can no longer track them, right?
Or is it your intention that someone should spend five mana, plus who knows how many other resources to protect her, on this planeswalker that does nothing for four turns?
>>48017447
I realize that she loses track of them if you cast them, as they're no longer exiled with her. You get the option of free card advantage, while also building towards something larger if you can't or don't cast the exiled card.
>>48017242
I see where you're going with this, but from my own experience attempting to make a planeswalker that stores stuff in exile for use later (which I still haven't finished), I've noticed that making the ult the ability that uses the exiled cards is usually not a great decision because you're just making the situation worse when it gets disrupted. Even something as sort as flicker, you have to start all over again. With other planeswalkers, sure, it sucks that you have to start over again, but now not only do you need to get loyalty for the ult, the ult can't take advantage of what the walker had previously done. For example, Ajani Goldmane. If he gets flickered, you still have the benefit of having a higher life total from his +1 so that his ult is still better.
That said, I'm not really sure on abilities for this one. Could you please describe the characters so we have a better idea what to design for?
>>48017571
>Could you please describe the characters so we have a better idea what to design for?
Do you mean fluffwise, or mechanically?
>>48017751
Both.
>>48017840
Fluffwise, she was a test subject in one of the faction's experiments with the rifts, which warp time and space. The experiment resulted in her spark igniting, and she escaped. The faction leader has no idea what actually happened; he just thinks she obtained a ton of power from the rifts, and he has been trying to replicate the results ever since, even experimenting on himself. I'll attach some cards from each set for reference.
Mechanically, she's very much exile-matters. I try to make a lot of her abilities around that "warping of time and space" theme.
so I stepped back and decided to work a bit on Magic: The Glamening which is sort of just a far off fringe idea.
It is intended to be a full on WUBRG set, and I'm working on a few mechanics now. Was considering Legendary Creatures in the common slot, to sort of touch on the perceived arrogance of the fashion world. I think it's also nice to encourage WUBRG play, because sticking to one color means you may get stuck with a bunch of the same card.
Spooky stuff but hey who knows where it'll go. There would certainly be legendary creature subthemes too.
>>48018407
another card that explores the themes & stuff.
>>48018065
Uh... well, for ult, maybe something like
>Gain control of all creatures until end of turn. Untap them. They gain haste until end of turn. Exile those creatures at the beginning of the next end step.
Just want to throw out that you can use flicker as well.
>>48018407
>>48018425
I remember you talking about this project a while back. I'm happy to see you're still working on it; I thought a lot of the ideas sounded interesting and like a lot of fun. Making legends work at all rarities is going to be a challenge, though. I'm really interested to see where you take it.
>>48018434
I don't really want the character utilizing "gain control" effects, mostly for fluff reasons. But that is a really cool ult idea, and would make an excellent RW or RB card.
>>48018505
>'m really interested to see where you take it.
One of the main things I love about making a set is basically making it hard on myself. Having mechanics that are easy to work with would just be so boring imo. So yeah, a fully blown WUBRG set with legends at all rarities sounds like a challenge to me. To say the least.
>>48018535
Exalted and Lone Revenant/Homicidal Seclusion/Deadly Wanderings/Demonic Rising style effects might help make legends easier to work with. Also ties in with your themes of narcissism and arrogance.
>>48018535
Mana fixing is defs going to be a huge deal in the set so I'll probably try to throw that together first. It probably has to be considerably better than most fixing at common so that's a thing.
A thought I had when brainstorming about Eldritch Moon. Taking a mechanic from Avacyn Restored and inverting it... Kinda.
>>48018635
So Miracle, card advantage version, rather than discount version? I like it.
>>48018735
Kinda. It's a bit limited in design space (like Miracle was), but you can make it slightly cheaper on combat tricks since it gives away information. On straight up goodstuff spells like a shock or divination, it should cost a bunch.
>>48018782
>>48018535
>>48018407
If people can play a card of any color, there basically aren't any colors.
You could make the colored mana costs prohibitive, but then it isn't so much a full 5 color set as an extreme multicolored set, as you inevitably encourage people to focus on specific colors and ignore others.
There are only 2 ways I could see this working, either you make an effectively colorless set, or you complicate and smooth out the issue of playing/emphasizing colors, both could be interesting, but have huge problems associated with them on their own: an effectively colorless set would struggle with mechanical identity, and goodstuff cards that would be played in every deck and a more complicated mana system would be problematic because people often don't like thinking about mana fixing.
>>48018940
>an effectively colorless set would struggle with mechanical identity,
you mean the exact opposite right? A successful set with these themes will be one of the most mechanically identifiable sets in MTG.
>>48018635
As worded this implies that you have to pay the mana cost of the copy. Dunno if that's intentional.
>>48018981
I meant between decks in the same set...
>>48018988
Right. Should add "without paying its mana cost".
>>48019002
I'll work out archetypes for different kinds of WUBRG decks obviously.
Last one for tonight. Good lord did looking outside Marvel and DC open up a lot of cards to do. Have to admit, probably just going to skip a lot of them though, just because I know so little about them, and due to the lack of information. Because, let's be honest, there are only three comic book companies. DC, Marvel, and the other guys, and the the other guys don't get nearly as much attention.
A cycle. Thoughts on balance? Easiest way to tweak seems to be mana cost or the sacrifice trigger.
>>48019074
I had guessed, still a problem.
You basically need to have 0 unambiguously good goodstuff or aggro card in the set.
The most similar thing you could look at is mirrodin, obviously had some issues there but it wasn't all bad.
>>48019074
The easiest way to do this, even if it's probably a bad idea, is to take a look at Yugioh. In a game where you could technically play any card, the only "reason" to play specific cards is archetype support. In this case, instead you would be looking at Tribal support.
>>48019343
>The easiest way to do this, even if it's probably a bad idea, is to take a look at Yugioh.
I think if someone legitimately gave this advice to a design or set or something I was working on, I would trash it immediately and start anew.
>>48019343
I think an interesting spin on Tribal could actually be Tribal downsides. Like a Black card that only lets you destroy a creature if it shares no creature types with one of yours, paired alongside or versus an efficient beater that is a Changeling.
>>48019343
>Yugioh
sorry no that's what brought Meld into the world.
Dropping off a couple more mythics before I head to bed.
>>48019525
>>48018576
the flavour text on this is great.
>>48019544
This is incredibly overcosted.
Big fat green flyer hate.
WUBRG commons are going to be... uh yeah. Interesting. Probably won't end up looking like this but here's a try.
>>48021837
something like this may be possible.
>>48021888
I may also just do Sunburst because meh.
>>48016227
how is he well known if his calling card is dying?
>>48007387
>>48007407
What are the set themes for your set?
These just look like an incoherent mess.
>>48019938
Thanks!
>>48020386
I costed it for repeatability and with the fact that one could get a double-digit number of tokens out of it. What would you suggest?
>>48022207
This is so dumb but I like it
How's the cost?
>>48023023
I would've thought more blue/green for a mass polymorph style effect. Also should probably be a sorcery.
>>48023102
I see it as more of a Hellcarver/Lord of the Void style effect.
>Also should probably be a sorcery.
I'm going to try to keep it as an instant.
>>48023141
Any particular reason for instant other than pseudo haste?
>>48023162
It lets you do fun things with it, like cast it in response to attacks to dig out a better blocker, or cast it in response to removal. Basically, it just seems more fun to play at instant speed.
>>48023295
Eh, just seems to me like 99% of the time it'd be cast on an opponent's end step to swing for the win next turn.
>>48023310
Maybe, but that depends pretty heavily on your opponent's boardstate. Plus, at 7cmc, I'd like to keep players' options open.
>>48021837
>>48021888
>>48021898
Yeah, seriously, look at Mirrodin for help. It's ironic because it was a block that focused on colorless artifacts, but it really did push a WUBRG playstyle.
>>48023141
>I see it as more of a Hellcarver/Lord of the Void style effect.
Not that guy, obviously, but those are both very different from this. At the end of the day, this is always going to feel like a polymorph effect due to the need to sacrifice a creature. There's no getting around it. And Hellcarver is the standard Black "sacrifice everything for ultimate power" sort of card, while Lord of the Void uses the fact that Black can steal things from opponents (though usually when those things aren't on the battlefield). Lord is very different just because it hits opponents. If it hit you, it would be very different, and fit into a similar category as Carver.
For your card... Just the art alone makes me think of Wrath effects, though with your set, I'd want to do something that deals with counters. Uh... probably crazy, but let's try
>Remove all counters from all permanents. Put X X/X black Horror creature tokens onto the battlefield, where X is the number of counters removed this way.
Probably busted, but it's just a suggestion. Here's another
>Exile all creatures you don't control. Put an X/X black Horror creature token onto the battlefield, where X is the number of creatures exiled this way.
Or something like that.
The things that really come to mind are Wrath effects, Horror creature tokens (seriously, look at that art), and counter removal. You could also look into exiling from other zones, drawing cards, and lifeloss.
>>48017242
Should start at 4 loyalty counters.
>>48021837
You could do something like this for low-cost commons
>>48016409
Except you get whatever instant you want as opposed to those only in the top 8 cards of your library and its not 10 mana all at once and provides utility over the entire game instead of just one turn. Think of collected company which for one more mana not only gives you creatures, but puts them onto the battlefield as well.
>>48025316
Or he could just use Domain.
>>48014838
If you intend it to be a recursion ability, the reminder text should say "exile it from your graveyard"
>>48015634
Cute.
Does this card seem any good?
>>48023023
Since it's black, it shouldn't have the may clause and you can make it cheaper.
>>48026926
Increase the cmc or lower the p/t.
>>48028365
Cooldown guy is back ?
>>48029162
Whoops, meant to give that Delve itself as well.
