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>>47946813
>>47953070
Hmmm, is that so. . .
>>47953070
Namefags aren't for waifuing they are for questions and shitposting about.
>>47953113
>>47953070
If nothing else this is quality shitposting, well done.
>>47953070
Now this is shitposting. I'm impressed.
>>47953070
So I have an idea for a Reality Marble that my jumper will develop. Going with the developing it option so it will be slow going, a bit dangerous but I think it fits her. Her origin is Interloper and it's called the long road home.
It looks like a patchwork plane of buildings and places she used to live in. It allows her to draw in to existence copies of friends, family and allies but weaker copies. IT also allows her to draw all her companions in to it and use them at once at full strength however powers the ones that aren't currently summoned use drain her reserves.
So is that too powerful, or is that alright? Any suggestions to improve it?
>>47953165
err... not sure why I responded to the original post, please disregard that.
Changes:
Power Combinations now has clearer limitations, is clarified to work on all supernatural abilities including magic
Required Secondary Powers is clarified to keep working on stacked powers
Toggle works on all supernatural abilities and perks, others can't force you to toggle your abilities directly
Added a note about Power Combinations and Toggle
>>47953174
Because you admired OP's excellent shitposting? We haven't had quality amusement from our shitposters in ages.
>>47953070
So does that mean WormAnon is the polish shit by default since all waifus are shit?
>>47953165
Depends on how many copies of friends, family and allies can be summoned at once and how much weaker they are then the original. Also depends on whether you can use both functions at the same time and how much the extra companions drain your reserves. Can't really say whether it's too much or too little till I know those.
>>47953188
domo arigato gozaimasu
Is there a list of jumps with purchases of multiple companions slotted as one?
>>47953210
40K Imperium Guardsmen
Kerbal Space Program Kerbals
>>47953219
Not a request for answers, just asking if there was a list compiled.
>>47953200
Hmm It's tough to specify but I'll give it a Shot. It partially depends on how strong the original is. There are limits to what she can duplicate. She can duplicate batman just fine with only a slight decrease in ability, Superman however winds up really weak. Also the number she can draw on I would imagine is limited by how much energy she has and how strong the copies she is pulling are. Swarming people with a couple dozen bad ass normal is fine but she probably only gets a hand full of high powered characters. I would say that she can not use both functions at once. However do to her strong connection with her companions (even those that have returned home or stayed behind) they are cheaper to summon and maintain. It might be better if I just finally take Fate/Extra and buy it as an Ex rank. I have only been avoiding extra because I never played it.
>>47953227
Not that I know of.
>>47953188
Man, I gotta say I'm not in favor of Power Combinations being nerfed, especially several months after the jump was basically done. Your rationale for changing it was that expanded it a month ago to work on all supernatural powers, but it could already do that when the perk was first included.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45567451/#45582015
>>47953243
*rationale for changing it was that you expanded it
Sorry.
>>47953210
I have one in my jumpchain folder for personal use. No idea if it's complete, but here it is.
Kerbal Space Program 20-740
Darkstalkers 4 (x2)
Sword & Sorcery 20
Light of Terra 4
WH40K Imperium 40
Blame! 22
Skullgirls 100
>>47953271
>Light of Terra 4
How do you get four?
>>47953210
they are forgetting Kirby and the road to El Dorado.
>>47953280
He is talking about the Choir.
>>47953287
I thought the Choirs where 3 and 5 respectively?
>>47953295
4 you forgot the Canoness who leads that group of idiots.
>>47953295
4 and 5
Choir of Righteous Fury
>Celestian Arlissa Val'Rayan
>Orders Hospitaler initiate Lina
>Orders Dialogous Initiate Fia
>Orders Famulous Initiate Cierra
and
Choir of Lost Voices
>Alicia Dominica, Cannoness of the Choir of Lost Voices
>Lethe Catena, Former Sorceress of Tzeentch
>Sabine San Leor, Former Noise Marine of Slaanesh
>Verena Armenii, Former Nurglite Terminatrix
>Decima, Former Khornate Berserker
>>47953308
Ah yes, I prefer the other choir so I guess I forgot.
>>47953232
I'd say that all makes it fine, just remember your companions need to also abide by the power limit on it, they can be easier to maintain and summon but not much stronger then Batman without being reduced in power. This is all with it just being a natural one though, I'd say that an A++ one, whether that's you buying it or growing to that level, should support a few hundred 'badass normals' easy and probably be able to duplicate stronger characters too (around MCU Captain America level guys if not a bit above, instead of just peak human characters like Batman, though getting the strongest guys you can summon still means you'll be getting less quantity).
If you're putting it to EX, I'd raise it to a few thousand summoned people at badass normal levels and at max you could probably get up to...average Servant level really. Someone like Cu Chulainn or Emiya (Physically, not counting their Noble Phantasms). Sorry, don't really know of any great examples outside Nasu stuff for this.
I'm mostly basing this off of Rider's Reality Marble, except exchanging the raw power/quantity for a good deal more versatility and control over it (He can have tens of thousands of average Servants, but without Skills, NPs or classes and it's all the same people, whereas you can only have a few thousand but control who this is, can get new people to add over time and don't have to use the same people and so on). Hope that helps some.
How do I use money in place of skill, strength, or magic in personal combat, /jc/?
I want the ability to throw money at all my problems. Maybe even literally.
>>47953326
Fuck I though Arlissa was a Cannoness not a Celestian.
>>47953335
there is an item for that in Kamen Rider Neo-Heisei Part 1 DLC one.
Are there any perks that make it so that you always have at least X experience with using your powers even after just getting them?
>>47953367
that sounds like a combination of cosmic fact and taking an origin
>>47953370
Well I am thinking about such a perk in terms of it's usefulness to drop-ins so. . .
Do you enjoy karaoke?
>Jump 63: Fullmetal Alchemist
>Age: 28
>Location: Xing
>Identity: Drop-In
>Drawbacks: Hostile Rival (-200), Enemy of the State (-300)
>Truth (700)
A foregone conclusion. If I don't spend points to get it, I'll end up doing it intentionally.I checked, just to see what I would have lost - my eyes. Both physically and metaphorically, for my entire stay.
>Automail Limb (600)
Plus, this way I can replace the limb.
>Red Stone (0)
And here is the reason I took Truth. I am utterly about cheating the system wherever and whenever I can, and with Red Stones, I can do exactly that - they're not nearly as resilient as Philosopher Stones, of course, but they also don't require souls in order to do it.
So, not only do I have someone who is utterly committed to bringing me down, but I have the military out for my head. An interesting state of affairs, to be honest. I wonder if this has anything to do with the city of Konasse appearing, floating midway between Xing and Amestris? All things considered, I'm pretty sure that is the sort of thing that would cause the military to start going after it and anyone remotely associated with it.
Now, there is absolutely no question that the canon is going to be derailed completely and utterly. Promised Day is supposed to be coming, and I know just enough about everything when I go in to start screwing with things - but since I only gave my right arm for power, instead of my vision, I can use clairvoyance to see what's happening and the best way to completely derail the plot. Derailing the plot is good. Getting Father to stop, or better yet banishing him entirely, is very good, and that is a large part of the plan.
The other part of the plan is making sure that Konasse is built up as fully as I can, and keep it safe from invasion. And likely slip a couple of Red Stones over to the Eldric brothers. Those poor kids deserve a break.
>>47953398
no
>>47953407
Bloody.
>>47953326
I wonder how useful/useless the Lost Voices would be against fucking Orikan?
FATE/??? (Redux?)
Or: Why I Am Worst Servant
> Age: 18 [Rolled2]
> Grail War: Tokyo Holy Grail War (Fate/Prototype) [Rolled7]
> Origin: Drop In
> Status Page [Get a Freebie!]
> Magic Circuits (x20) [Get a Freebie!]
> Reality Marble: All Magic Is Science [-800CP]
> Self Control [Get a Freebie!]
> Relationship Flag [-100CP]
> Academia [-100CP]
> Blade of Azoth [-50CP]
> Dapper Dressing [Get a Freebie!]
> Shirou's Cook Book [-50CP]
> Servitude [Get a Freebie?]
> Arrogance [+100CP]
-
Servant Supplement
> Class: Archer [-200SP]
> STR: E [+100SP]
> END: C
> AGI: E [+50SP]
> MAN: B [-150SP]
> LUK: D [-50SP]
> Independent Action: A+ [-200SP]
> Item Construction: D [-100SP]
> Magic Resistance: C [-50SP]
> Pioneer of the Stars: EX [-450SP]
> Territory Creation: D [-100SP]
> NP - ???: C
> Personality Clash [+100SP]
> What Spiritual Form? [+50SP]
Lately I've been trying to prune some of my companions, so this involved going back to Fate and ... building my servant for the first time, since I never even chose one to begin with.
BUT NOW I AM THE SERVANT.
I based the stats off Nikoli Tesla & Thomas Edison from Grand Order, generally taking the lower stat from either. This results in a HILARIOUSLY pathetic servant. Which is me.
But I'm probably like 200+ jumps in IF NOT MORESO, so. ... So.
Also, I'm taking Gil's place, so he is not around.
I imagine my Reality Marble as helping study things that shouldn't normally be studiable. Somehow.
I don't know what the NP does.
>>47953407
But can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
>>47953431
Because it's power level is EXTREEEEME
>>47953407
Feck. Forgot the card.
>Nine of Swords, reversed (Attempting to avert a shameful or regrettable act. Faithfulness, patience and unselfishness. May indicate the narrow avoidance of a death or other catastrophic loss.)
>>47953407You'll have better luck than White Mage, at least. The poor bleeding heart.
>Skill Books
>There's a chance whenever finishing a new
> book or short story that you will become
> noticeably (and permanently) more skilled
> in a vaguely related discipline.
How high a chance would you say is reasonable for this perk? 5%?
Have you ever created mimics to guard your stuff?
>>47953471
That is fucking evil.
What are some good technique copying perks other than Data Drain?
>>47953477
Mimic from Zelda. Copycat Technique from Ranma.
>>47953477
Copycat Technique from Ranma is probably the best. It can copy pretty much anything as long as you're physically capable of it.
Sharingan from Naruto also lets you copy technique, grants photographic memory, time dilation and a whole lot of other stuff.
Advice for writing jumps?
Anything that should definitely be/not be included?
>>47953506
You know, now that I'm thinking about it, how dangerous is Hyrule? It honestly seems pretty fucking terrible at times looking over it with an objective eye, the place is fucking crawling with evil shit and huge monsters.
>>47953584
Except during a big evil crisis, it's a huge, populous, and prosperous kingdom.
>>47953335
There's Alchemy in Master of Magic that allows you to convert gold directly into mana and vice versa.
I'm presuming that since 'gold' means gold coins in that setting it works with other currencies, but maybe Acheld can clarify if they're around?
>>47953584
Well, for a fresh jumper it's pretty dangerous. However, if you have pretty much any kind of flight or reliable ranged attacks it's not actually that bad.
Plus unless you take the one drawback Link will go around fixing everything. Monsters are mostly a result of evil shit going down.
It also varies a bit between games. Wind Waker isn't really that bad, other than the huge stretches of water and a few particular islands.
How powerful would the Rakasha form from lord of light be?
>>47953335
Most of the Final Fantasy games have a skill to do damage by throwing money at your enemies.
>>47953513
Make sure not to put in arbitrary nerfs or balance your jump's perks against other jumps' perks.
>>47953513
if you're putting in time travel make it stuck, also strength boosts above 50 tons are taboo for some reason
>>47953334
Thank you it does.
>>47953662
(these are silly customs that you should ignore)
>>47953460
I think a good part of the whole averting-the-plot thing is that they'll be so focused on this city that appeared out of nowhere that they don't realize that Edward Elric's running around with both natural arms. Though they didn't decide to risk bringing Al back with Red Stones.
On the plus side, Nina's back to normal. Yay! Too bad I didn't get there to deal with it before it happened.
Thanks to a bit more dice rolling... well. I took Job Offer from Dresden Files, and chose the option to allow me to offer OTHERS a portion of my power as an Emissary. I made the offer to four people: Roy Mustang, who nearly came to blows with me as a result because he thought I was patronizing him (and, y'know, the military's after me, but the 'there is something deeply wrong with this country' speech affected him); Edward and Alphonse Elric, who chose to pass on it; and Winry Rockbell.
Winry chose to take me up on it. My symbol at this point is the gauntlet, and as such, she was given one to wear as a symbol of the power she now possessed. Of course, I have many things that she could have been granted, but considering her nature, the portion of my power that she received manifested itself as an affinity with technology. Certainly not technopathy, but she was a one-woman leap ahead in technology for the time that I was there. She understood that the arrangement was temporary - she revolutionized automail, introduced any number of new materials and alloys, and a number of smaller things that made the world a better place.
Good times, good times.
>>47953232
You fucker stole my idea from a few months back. And last thread
>>47953427
Wait, I thought your powers are limited to your servant stat power when you are a servant. Are they not?
>>47953334
Val help
>>47953755
No, that's never been the case. It was even clarified just last thread (In addition to the dozen+ times in the past but you might be new so it's hardly fair to use those).
>>47953789
Oh, so all you strength perks and other stuff are working full force?
Interesting. This will be good Servant Wars
>>47953818
Yes.
>>47953513
Formatting. For the love of waifus use clear paragraphs and a readable font and colour choices.
Keep in mind that not everyone might know what the jump's setting and power level is like, so you'll probably have to explain some of the key concepts or terms.
There are folks that only go drop in and don't like being anything but human, so if your jump takes place in a world where humans don't exist, you might cop some flak if you don't have a "stay human" option for drop-ins.
>>47953513
Don't make Jumper omnipotent, but don't make them powerless.
Find somewhere in the middle and stick to it.
Everyone will hate you a LITTLE, but that's a lot better than half of everyone hating you a LOT.
>>47953686
while I agree that they are a little silly adhering to these customs is part of what makes this thread different from the other places that shall not be named that do jumps.
Where is Infectious Bite from again?
>>47953933
Van Hellsing
>>47953513
pretty much this >>47953914 , the watchword is plot relevant.
>>47953933
Van Helsing
>>47953513
Don't allow jumpers to ever go above a certain threshold of power. Hard caps on growth potential are your friends.
>>47953946
obvious troll is obvious
>>47953513
Look at what exists. Make something. Post it here and fix what people criticise. Simple.
>>47953928
Yeah but both of the things you mentioned aren't so much rules, they're just patterns. It's rare but some jumps like SBURB and Harry Potter have time travel, and Overlord and Mushoku Tenshi have options that could easily let you surpass 50 tons.
>>47953946
I love putting in softcaps in my CYOAs and I've gotten zero complaints.
>>47953951
>>Create a paradox and you doom an entire timeline
>>Go back roughly 2 hours only.
>>Have to survive going through SMT as a Midrange demon
>>I don't remember any strength boosts like that in overlord
Yeah I'm pretty sure my argument stands
>>47953513
Add some fluff and personality too it. Many anons jump world they don't know much about and it helps alot to give them an idea of the character of the world. Otherwise it the jump just feels like a list of powers.
For example take a look at the Night Angel and Light Bringer Jumps. Great worlds with a lot of interesting history and characters, but if you just going by the jumps they seem like bland and empty power grabs.
>>47953975
That is because it is a soft cap and people here don't flip their shit over those nearly as much.
>>47953988
What I mean is, I give people a detailed explanation of its power then leave it open for them expanding it beyond that without going into detail. It's great.
>>47953975
That's because there are tricks to brute forcing your way through those with sheer weight of effort and resources, like consuming entire planets.
>>47954005
I was just countering hardcaps, more than anything. I don't like them much in most situations.
So I've been thinking about SCP-914 and began wondering what kinda things it'd make. Like what would happen if I put a Ka'kari from Night Angel into it on very fine. Or a Devil fruit from one piece on the same setting. I'd like to hear what you think would happen to different objects.
>>47954108
>Putting anything on very fine.
Prepare for things that you won't make sense out of for a few dozen jumps.
>>47954108
From the testing log I suggest never putting something in it with a notable, or even really a known negative such as the devil fruit. It may well enhance the negative more than the benefit.
>>47954135
It was just an exam really. I kinda wanna put some wands and advanced tech into it. Like the power rings from GLaS or some Necrodermis from LoT.
>>47954153
Example* ffs.
>>47954153
>Necrodermis into it
Yeah that's going to make the site get destroyed possibly the region you are in.
>>47954108
I really really want to try putting the Eye of Set through it on fine but the risk of loosing such a powerful magic booster is too much for me to take.
>>47954153
>Necrodermis
Are you high?
>>47954167
Use minecraft cheat mode and make a second, keep the jumpchan fiat version and put the other into it. Also if it's destroyed wont it just respawn.
>>47954160
>>47954168
You know you're curious what would happen too.
>>47954168
Eh, that's why you have extra lives and disposable worlds like from Mystcraft or Frequent Flyer Miles.
It's for SCIENCE!
>>47954177
Yes but I'd rather not risk the region I am in to get burned or nuked while I am still on the site.
>>47954177
Destroyed isn't the issue, the issue is it becoming something else and with no chance of getting it back.
>>47954187
Cheat mode should work then.
>>47954183
Hivemind and forcewall from the warehouse are great for that. And as >>47954180 pointed out disposable worlds are also great.
>>47953513
Well, Myrmidont has some of the best advice, >>47953906. But I don't thk anyone has addressed perk creation yet. I've learned it's okay to extrapolate certain skills and powers based on the setting, but the further out you tread from the base material, the more pushback you generally receive. For some Jumps, you may have to get a little inventive to fill in Backgrounds, Drawbacks, or Perks. But creating too much content without a basis from the Jumpverse is generally frowned upon. Obviously, there are exceptions, but I tend to consider the cut off point at about 25%. If you can't fill in most of the Jump with things gleaned from the movie/book/hame/ect itself, it might be time to reconsider.
Also, good to see more people considering getting into Jump Making. Good on you. Can't wait to see what you come up with.
>>47954192
I doubt I could survive in point blank radioactive fallout and I hate hiveminds with a passion,
>>47954201
Well use remote controlled robots or even clones. Or just wait till you get a radiation immunity and/or the Final form and Idiot magician combo.
>>47954216
That combo also requires a Kaiju form.
Can I buy any skill in servant supplement that is not listed as forbidden?
>>47954229
Yea I was just giving the basics of that combo, Didn't see a point in listing the entire thing out.
What are the best intangibility perks?
>>47954235
Yes, any skill listed in the supplement that isn't at the bottom under the forbidden section is buyable.
Doodlebops jump when?
>>47954290
No.
>>47954290
when you make it
>>47954290
I'm scared.
>>47953398
The ninth commandment of my Wakfu godhood is that every [Friday Equivalent] will be karaoke night.
I enjoy it, but I honestly put it in the rules just to bother people that don't.
>>47954290
Aren't those the kinds of things that you see as part of 300 point drawbacks along with phrases like "can't be killed" and "will follow you everywhere"?
>>47953188
Flamio, my good hotman.
>>47954344
and people say the greek gods were dicks.
Was checking bleach.
I have half a mind that Yhwach is yelling about his The Almighty in terms of how it work, just to fuck with Ichigo's mind so he gives up.
Kubo is trying to make Yhwach's power reveal like Dio's. Remember how DIO claimed that his Stand "Is a Stand that can control the world"
![[Top Gear].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jkSvBhf.jpg "[Top Gear].jpg")
>>47954290
Literally who?Unrelated, Top Gear jump when?>inb4 Rule 1
>>47954361
rule 1
>>47954360
Problem is...Yhwach is sort of giving a live demonstration as he boasts. Ichigo isn't giving up just because of some words, he's giving up because Yhwach is proving he's completely unbeatable to him.
>>47954373
You know, some, most of Yhwach's current bullshit Could be explained as time stop.
>>47954380
I should track down that fucker and read him a Fiend poem before he gets rolling.
>>47953188
I like it.
>>47954388
Pretty sure he's still depowered when the jump start, so you could just murder him normally.
But of course, doing it by poem is extra stylish.
>>47953335
Make a Mage: The Ascension jump and join the Syndicate.
Are there any perks that let you put unlimited amounts of effort into anything no matter how easy it should be for you?
>>47954406
Break his bones fairly quickly
>>47954245
I tend to find that taking a couple is generally the best way to go. Wouldn't want someone to negate your magic or science, best to have both.
The ones I took that I can remember are the one in X-Men which is ludicrously cheap but requires that you hold your breath (which is not a problem for most jumpers) and one that's rolled into the Cambion origin in Teen Titans which is much more expensive but has a load of great things tossed in.
There's one in Danny Phantom but that's such a fucking one build jump that I couldn't jump it in good faith. You're probably less of a snooty arsehole than me though.
Then there's Marvel which is a little limited as it just lowers your density or something and you can still get hit by energy weapons. You can probably combine it with other shit to make it much better though.
You can also get the Rumble Rumble fruit in One Piece which isn't exactly foolproof (rubber weakness) but works pretty well on nearly everything. Doesn't work underwater either obviously but on the plus side you can blast the hell out of stuff with it as well.
>>47954415
Uh. Why would you want need that?
>>47953335
Oh and when the C jump is done, one of the powers lets you make a blade whose size and cutting power is proportional to the amount of funds invested in it.
>>47954439
The power of SMT Fiend to kill with art is based on the effort you put into your (insert artistic pursuit here) rather than the quality of work you produce.
>>47954415
time stops are a thing in a number of places
>>47954373
Fuck. I know what is happening.
Ichigo used Yhwach's Reiatsu to awaken into his primarily hollow form/Bankai.
Yhwach's can control people through his Reiatsu, or Quincies, at least.
He doesn't control fate, he just fucks with Ichigo's mind with his Reiatsu
>>47954536
The fact that his ability has pretty consistently been to do with seeing the future and that every other one of his soldiers has super bullshit powers, I just think you're really reaching for anything but the answer in front of you.
Or it was Aizen and his illusions all along somehow, because honestly that's not out of the question with this show.
>>47953188
>others can't force you to toggle your abilities directly
Excellent!
>>47954373
Alternatively...
Remember how Shinigami captains regained stolen Bankai's by temporarily hollowifying their Reiatsu, which is poison to Quincy?
Ichigo's Bankai might have mixed his Quincy powers with his hollow powers, because both the Shinigami/hollow sword and Quincy Sword of his Shikai became one for his Bankai.
The second Yhwach tries to take Ichigo's Quincy powers, he will take in hollow stuff, getting poisoned
>>47954557
This might answer how Ichigo might win. If that works, then it's not THAT much of asspull as it was shown several times
>>47954568
>>47954568
Could be. Or he foresaw it and already changed his powers to be without hollow stuff. Because we totally need 'just as planned' a fucking gain don't we. I'm not surprised that the second main villain in Kubo's manga has a power that lets them not have to be actually intelligent at all and just make shit up.
>>47954587
Well, let us at least explain one other thing.
You know how Auswachlen takes powers of Quincies Yhwach chooses and it can't be blocked?
Cage of Life which blocks all spiritual matter didn't work. Because Auswachlen isn't a spiritual attack but pure energy, it was explained as so.
So, a force field that blocks energy so any sci-fi tech barrier will protect a Quincy.
And he won't regain all his powers without draining Quincies. Or his Wandereich will be weaker.
Food for thought
>>47954601
Or he uses his power to transform the future to bypass said barrier, something he's already shown to have done. Not to mention his most bullshit power, Almighty, is something he hasn't handed out and all he's used Aushwahlen (That is a bitch of a word) is to supe up his personal guard.
>>47954614
Almighty IS the power to transform future, and see it.
But he himself said he couldn't see Mimihagi in his predictions. So it has blind spots. And he used Auswahlen to regain his own powers after 990 years.
As for bypassing barriers, are you talking about Orihime's barrier? That giant triangle that has SHITTON of ways of being ignored such as WALKING AROUND IT?
>>47954627
Yes, I know. It's still not one he needs to get from another Quincy, he has it himself.
He has one blindspot we know of. I'm not sure what you're taking that one blind spot to mean beyond that. Yes he did use the technique for that, but that was way before the jump starts, back when Ichigo was a kid since that was what took away Masaki's powers and left her defenceless against Grand Fisher.
Sure. But when your power is changing the future to your whim, I don't see what making it a full dome of energy is going to chance or make unblockable. As said above, it's still pointless as he only uses Auswahlen in an important way far prior to the jump start.
Someone posted a SB Peter Pan jump a little while ago, and this got me thinking:
What are some of the best places to pick up shadow-based magic?
>>47954427
Hey Cats, Morroblivion is your jump, right? Any chance you could answer this? >>47953461
Also, thanks for all your jumps, you're my favorite jumpmaker.
>>47954661
Because not being able to see a person in the different futures means this:
it is possible for to block Yhwach's perception of your futures.
Not saying we know how to do it, I am saying it is possible.
We don't exactly know HOW him changing the future to his whim means. As in, how exactly that works. Maybe it is just perception of futures and timestop? It would explain stuff well.
As for him regaining his powers... As in, not Almighty but other stuff? Shit. So why did people talk about killing him when he's depowered?
Although they couldn't use their Schrifts when stealing Bankais of captains so he couldn't predict future then... And it feels like the Schrifts are a thing one has to toggle, because he still shown surprise at Cero Getsuga. If he just let it hit him, why would he be surprised if he seen it?
He has to activate Almighty first. Either kill him before that or while he can't use it due to stealing Bankai I don't know
>>47954705
Kingdom Hearts, D&D, Touhou, Mage The Awakening, City of Heroes, Skulduggery Pleasant.
>>47954723
It's possible sure, but what if it turns out to be something like needing to be part of the Spirit King? Possible does not necessarily mean feasible and knowing it's possible but not knowing how it's possible is about as useful as chocolate teapot. But yeah, both this and exactly how his precognition works really needs some actual explanation.
The regaining powers bit? Dunno. The whole 990 years thing doesn't make much sense unless there's like a ten year gap where he just sits on his butt between regaining his powers and the 9 days to regain the world part but that's apparently how it's worked. I can see where people just got confused maybe, since it seems to be Kubo fucking up the timeline for the sake of a 'cool' poem.
Not being able to use schrifts? Keep in mind he's had Yamamato's Bankai stolen since almost the start of the war and his Schrift worked just fine against Ichibe.
As to the surprise and toggle things, not sure. I don't think there's nearly enough info to declare it must be activated, since plenty of other Schrift haven't needed to be called out to be used or are just passively on (Though as usual everyone loves to explain how their power works). Add in Kubo being an inconsistent idiot (And the fact that it's been years since the start of the story, meaning he could have forgotten things) and holes are bound to appear.
Personally, I think hollow energy is the clue to it all and why his precog seems spotty in regard to Ichigo (Only if it's not just Kubo being a hack), as well as explaining why they even bothered going after Hueco Mundo way back at the start of the arc.
>>47954705
Darkstalkers has a perk that'll actually let you manipulate your shadow as if it were another part of you, so there's that.
>>47954723
Just take fate and precog immunity, fuck his day up super hard by showing up out of fucking nowhere and a completely uncontrollable element.
>>47954785
He's not totally weak outside of that though. He still becomes immune to any power after seeing it and he's still total bullshit powerful (In bleach terms, which are what, country level now? So not impossible but still make sure you're set up right). Even if you have fate and precog stuff, it's not going to be a cakewalk unless you're crazy strong on top of that. Not sure if there are any abilities that stop him becoming immune to your powers though.
>>47954785
>mfw when the tables have turned quinccy
>>47954800
The becoming immune part, when and where exactly did it happen?
>>47954825
Against Ichibe, he just flat out became immune to his Zanpakutou power. Come on man, if you're so into beating this guy at least skim his wiki page. It outlines everyone of his powers and cites which page they're from.
I'll do it this once for you, it was from Chapter 610, Page 7 according to the wiki.
>>47954800
There is literally a perk somewhere that makes every attack appear as a totally new and unique one to your opponents, even if you've used it hundreds of times against them before.
>>47954825
>>47954800
I mean, are you sure it just wasn't his self restoration instead?
He either works like Doomsday or Garou, if he really gains immunities. He won't be immune to a strong enough punch applied to face
>>47954800
So just use a different weapon each time or power. Or hell just use magic and different spells each time. Yeah he is tough but not unbeatable by any means.
I just bought the Faded Map in One Piece. Mind giving me some Fruits/powers and I'll roll for them?
>>47954831
What jump I need it
>>47954829
See >>47954832
>>47954833
TABLES HAVE TURNED
>>47954837
PowerPower fruit. It lets you steal the abilities of anyone you touch.
>>47954831
Not sure why that'd help, it's not actually making the attack different, just making the opponent see it different. If something's immune to fire, making it think your fireball is made of ice won't bypass that.
>>47954832
No, he pretty clearly talks about it. I do agree it seems to be more that he has to experience a power and then becomes immune and I have no idea what the whole 'any power he becomes immune to becomes his ally' thing is since we never saw anything more on it.
>>47954833
I know, I even said he's not unbeatable, just warning that it's not as easy as making yourself immune to precog. Part of my post even mentions making sure you're properly strong enough. If you only have one technique strong enough to hurt him, whiff it and he becomes immune, it'd be bad news if you didn't have a couple back up plans ready right?
>>47954858
Man, you really are a shit you know that?
>>47954866
I think one blast from nanoha befriending beam could do it if you pumped enough power through it.
>>47954831
>>47954840
Pretty sure that's a skill you can get in the servant supplement going by the name of, Knowledge of Respect and Harmony.
>>47954866
Couldn't you just use Imagine Breaker or something similar to no-sell his bullshit powers and then just punch his teeth in?
>>47954866
We might need an explanation on his power immunity thing as we only see it occur in that one fight.
And he was defeated by Yamamoto in past and I doubt that the only bit of fire that was used was during finishing blow.
There must be something else to it
>>47954880
Huh. Actually, that makes sense. His powers actually seem more like they belong to an Index villain than a Shounen one, too.
>>47954866
It's not about making them thing the attack is something other than itself, it basically mindrapes them to thing that every time they see an attack, they're convinced it's the first time they've seen it, even though they're seeing the same attack.
>>47954879
No, it was a perk somewhere.
>>47954880
Normal physical attacks don't seem to be something he can get immune to and other then that an anti precog perk takes care of any of his other powers that seem to be applicable. I'm not sure what IB really brings to the table beyond that, since all he'd have left is just great raw stats.
>>47954886
It'd help yeah, but it's still something he has until we do.
Well, Yamamoto did have a band of crazy strong monsters, guys even Yhwach seemed to have respect for, who might have contributed. And like I said, normal physical blows, something Old Man Genocide shows a great use of, don't seem to be something Almighty becomes immune to.
>>47954902
So, martial jumpers kick his fucking ass then, basically.
>>47954900
Regardless of if it is a perk somewhere else, Knowledge of Respect and Harmony does do that.
>>47953513
First and most importantly, write well. Good writing forgives a multitude of sins, while bad writing makes people just ignore everything you've made. Edit, fix typos and bad grammar, and take some care when formatting it. But also, make sure your writing is understandable by someone who has never heard of your Jump before. Build lore into the choices you're describing, so someone who reads them will actually understand what they're getting.
Base the shit you're coming up with on the setting you're using, but don't be afraid to extrapolate a bit to make things viable. E.g., if you're doing a Jump based on a video game, don't be afraid to make powers more flexible than what's strictly programmed in. If a character throws fireballs, Pyrokinesis is fine.
Then there's the classic argument about power level. In my mind, the best thing to do is pick a couple characters as the baseline, and build everything around that. I like to peg the setting's power around median protagonist of the setting - enough to compete without overshadowing the actual characters. Some people will pitch a fit if you're not at the level of the setting's ultimate enemy, and will say you're irrelevant unless you can beat them with only the powers you buy from the Jump. Well, the hero won, didn't they? Oh, and make sure your perks all revolve around this power level. If you base powers on the villain that's fine, but weaken them to the level of the representative characters you chose. 100 CP should be 100 CP no matter how you spend it.
Which reminds me - make sure your jumps are internally balanced. Nothing is more frustrating than one background which is obviously the right choice, or one perk which everyone is going to ignore. That applies to items as well - most people are really bad at offering items, because they can't figure out how to make them special and worth paying for. Assume Jumpers will steal anything that will fit in the warehouse, and plan accordingly.
>>47954900
I know what it's about, that's why I said it wouldn't work. Why does it matter if he thinks it's the first time he's seen an attack when his power would have made him immune after he experienced it once? If it's not changing the attack, it's not going to bypass the immunity, even if it does trick the guy himself.
>>47954911
If they're stronger then him in a fight yeah. It's not a particular weakness of his and he's still the strongest fighter in Bleach except maybe Yamamoto since he had to backstab the guy, so you're probably going to need to do some shounen jumps to get to the right level in a fight.
>>47954800
Note to self: if I find my(jumper)self in Bleach, the very first power I should jam/steal is that one, so it can't be used against me.
>>47954902
Well, IB negates anything supernatural on contact. His immunity sounds pretty supernatural to me, even if we don't know how it works exactly.
>>47954837
GodGod fruit. You turn yourself into God.
>>47954954
Not sure you understood me. If you're going to be punching him, he's not going to be immune to your punches even without IB. He only seems to become immune to unique powers rather then just generic spirit energy or physical attacks(Though there is one Quincy who actually does that because of course there is)so if you're going to punch him to death, there's no need to take IB solely for that.
>>47954837
Sand
Rumble
Flower
Gum
Buggy's fruit
Don whatsisnames fruit
Candle
Phoenix
>>47954837
Why not just roll randomly from the Tier 2, 3 and/or 4 tables in the jump?
>>47954977
IB would let you get past his supernatural durability, that said IB is a trap option that drags you kicking and screaming into the plot of fucking Index so it is a mute point anyway.
>>47955011
I've never understood why IB was on offer. It seems to be either far and away better then all the other powers combined in what it can do, especially outside the setting, or a trap option that ends in your death in the jump. Especially since Reploid is the author and he always seemed to go for lower powered stuff.
>>47955011
Moot.
>>47954977
Yeah, but if you touch him you can negate his immunity to your supernatural powers. Grab him somewhere and then shove a fireball down his throat or something like that.
It's certainly more efficient than just beating on him until he stops getting up.
>>47955011
Eh, the plot is survivable and the power is worth it.
Just get Toggle from YJ - the after-jump drawbacks of IB (bad luck, no luck perks) apply only out of combat, so you can just deactivate it until you get into a fight.
>>47954837
AssAss fruit. You now have control over asses.
>>47955024
It is sort of both, it has to be an option because people would be pissed if it wasn't but taking it requires you to be so powerful to begin with that it is useless to you anyway.
>>47953461
>>47954706
Yep.
Probably more than 5%. In Morrowind it seems as if about half of the books are skill books although they're generally rarer than regular ones. Some dodgy maths seems to indicate that it's more like a third in Oblivion. There's also some unreadable books on the bookshelves in Morrowind (i.e. some are just props if you go into the libraries) so some are probably just too boring to bother writing out indicating that half is too high. This could well be true in Oblivion as well but I don't remember it quite as clearly.
None of this really tells us very much and the extent to which the perk is based on the game mechanic is sort of up to me anyway so I'm just going to say 10% as it seems sort of reasonable.
On another note an advantage is that as it's based on the game mechanic the extent to which you improve doesn't really slow down until you've totally mastered a thing. You get a little better whether you're at level 99 or level 5. Combine this with the fact that what is considered a master of something in TES is someone who is pretty fucking good at that thing you can probably get quite a bit out of the occasional trip to the library.
>>47955035
When I say plot I mean mandatory drawback that makes you part of Crowley's plans, remember him? The asshole who wants to go to war with the reality warpers?
>>47955024
>Especially since Reploid is the author and he always seemed to go for lower powered stuff.
Oh believe me, the guy's flat out-and-out said he's done with high-powered shit in the past after all the hell about Raildex.
Now if only he wouldn't be gone so we could see the rest of Mega-Man.
>>47955024
It's not really limitless in what it can do, pretty sure anyone on Othinus level or higher can overpower it (Universe level or above basically).
>>47954977
FOUR HUNDRED AND TEN BILLION DEAD QUINCYS
>>47955070
Wait, he claimed all Megamenz?
That's stupid.
Speaking of. Azure Gunvolt jump when?
>>47955037
I want that fruit.
>>47955087
Didn't claim them, he just makes a lot of them anyway and makes them real nice.
>>47954837
Human fruit, Model Vampire
Oil fruit, logia that turns body into, and grants the ability to produce flammable oils
Growth fruit, manipulate and enhance the growth of plants and animals
>>47955067
So? I'm not saying take it if you jump Index early in your chain.
But if you already have a well-rounded powerset it's unlikely that the other options will add much.
The ability to cancel supernatural powers is useful no matter how powerful you are, and while there are other options for that IB has some unique advantages and the drawbacks are moot if you get Toggle first.
Crowley isn't unbeatable for a jumper. You just have to gauge when to jump Index in your chain if you want IB so you don't get stomped.
>>47955096
That is true.
Out of curiosity, since if no one claimed Azure Gunvolt I could maybe make em.
Should I wait for the second game to come out in English and combine them into one jump or have separate ones?
>>47955074
True but how often are you going to face omnipotent reality warpers? Oh wait you took IB you are going to be dealing with a bunch of them because Crowley is a dick.
>>47955070
To be frank, that's fine if he refuses to do higher power shit, he fucked it up anyway with hardcaps on growth potential that make the jump only useful for a chance to fuck with the universes metaphysics.
>>47955118
Not omnipotent. Universe+ level but not infinitely powerful. Crowley managed to beat some after all, and he's not the strongest around.
>>47955111
Explain Crowley to me. Who is he, why must I beat him and how powerful is he
>>47955128
Accelerator for a long time was level 5, ya know
>>47955090
Speaking of, did anyone else pick up Wuya? I had a spare pod lying around, and you know, we had a pretty sweet setup ruling the world...
>>47955111
>Crowley isn't unbeatable for a jumper
The same Crowley who kicked in the front door of a bunch of reality warping gods* and obliterated their entire home dimension?
*All of whom were vastly stronger than Othinus who in turn stomped Fiamma of the goddamned Right. . .
>>47955171
Nah, she's pretty ugly.
>>47955176
The average jumper? Sure. But we've got jumpers who've shown to be strong enough to do that, it's hardly like it's impossible. Or even that hard considering some combos.
>>47955049
Cool, thank you very much. Skill Books + Speed Reading from The Princess Bride sounds like a very potent combo. Add in Unknown Resources and you can read all the books from the comfort of your warehouse.
>>47955163
And I can do things with brain-based technology that can make the Kiharas green with envy, so fucking what?
>>47955163
See >>47955176
For reference Fiamma of The Right is the guy with the I win button that auto stomps anyone without even more hax than him.
>>47954929
He only has immunity to attacks he 'understands' actually. If you use that perk, he literally can't form a valid immunity because he never 'understands' the ability because he basically forgets how it works after every use. He never gets a chance to actually develop one.
>>47955199
I thought Accelerator beat him?
THE WIKI IS LYYYYYING!
Then how do you beat Fiamma, or magic gods. Or Crowley.
I don't understand index anymore
>>47955210
THANK YOU
>>47955210
It works that way? I thought I was stretching it from the stated way already just by saying he had to experience it.
>>47955210
So technically wouldn't that perk also help you beat Accelerator as he won't be able to figure out vectors of your attacks?
>>47955242
Only if you used things he couldn't understand at first. If you're just using normal punches, it won't d anything since he would already understand those vectors. It'd stop him learning how to direct your magic and shit though.
>>47955049
Hey question about red alert, are the 50% discounts applied one after another or at once for a 100% discount?
>>47955219
No one understands Index. They just believe they do for a while.Or that may just be me.
>>47955219
Fiamma is the guy with the I win button that defeats almost anyone, the only people that can beat him are the likes of the magic gods because they are reality warpers or Crowley because he is Crowley.
Crowley can somehow roll pretty much anything with the Blasting Rod which is apparently the physical manifestation of Hax in the Indexverse.
How do you beat them? Do 500+ jumps taking everything that looks conceptual in some way and then go through your list of stuff to find a combo that beats them.
Fiamma is easier because if you pod or kill index you can eventually beat him through attrition, make him run out of I win buttons by sending an endless stream of companions at him.
>>47955263
I'd say one after another (for a total of 75% off from the original price), but I'm not stupid_dog so you might want to wait for a response from the maker.
>>47955219
I recommend a magic immunity perk, Q This, and either a lot of martial power or Nanoha/Overlord magic after maxing one out. Not ENTIRELY sure this would work, but I think it'd be a step in the right direction.
>>47955219
toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Phase
Everything leads back to this basically.
How or where do I get a big tent that's even bigger on the inside?
Should I just make it myself?
>>47955176
So? His power is based on magic and technology.
The former can be negated by stuff light Empty Night or Gift of the Twilight Imperium, and the latter can be countered with your own, likely superior, technology, technopathy, and similar abilities that allow control or negation of technology.
You can literally no-sell half his arsenal by taking a single perk, and that's not taking into account the myriad other powers a jumper could possible possess.
There are perks that let you passively fuck up peoples plans. Perks that let you piece together peoples plans from almost zero information. Divination abilities, precog, immunities to the same. Shit like Path to Victory. Durability and extra lifes enough to make superman feel inadequate. Planetary-scale telepathy. Enough firepower to casually vaporize planets. Minions from mook-level to mini-boss or above.
How do you take that and arrive at "he's unbeatable"?
You're not limited to your in-setting power. You're a goddamn jumper. Act like it.
>>47955326
Harry Potter has those in setting.
>>47955307
Is there any specific way his "I win" buttons work?
I thought the wiki said Imagine Breaker also affects him
>>47955326
Why do you need one?
>>47955307
Killing Index sounds like a bad idea but I haven't read that source material so whatever.
>>47955317
>I'd say one after another (for a total of 75% off from the original price), but I'm not stupid_dog so you might want to wait for a response from the maker.
I try to be a reasonable guy so that's what I went with but it can be interpreted either way so I was asking stupid dog.
>>47955332
Oh yeah, I could just by one with normal money...
>>47955342
Because my training montage needs to be in tents.
>>47955358
Better waifus die in canon, so who cares if one of us kills Index?
>>47955334
His I win button defeats any enemy with the exact amount of force needed to do so; it can blow up an orbital weapon, knock a teenager to his knees, anything below that, and anything beyond that. His max power is at least planet busting but it is probably more considering how long he lasted against Othinus.
>>47955334
Fiamma's power works by invoking the symbolic power of the right hand in Christianity. MIchael cast down Lucifer with his right hand, Jesus healed the sick with his right hand, things like that. So he's basically channeling divine power through his arm. I'm not sure how you'd counter that. Maybe some way of manipulating symbols so that the right hand is no longer meaningful?
>>47955376
Index sounds like she is a important of some sorts and killing or destroying such things usually end badly for the world at least from what I am guessing.
>>47955389
It also functions regardless of range or distance.
>>47955389
Interesting. Where does it gets its power from, how does it know how much power it needs, and what happens if doesn't have enough?
>>47955368
You really over thought that one, didn't you?
>>47955413
She is a repository for horrifyingly dangerous books that should never be opened for any reason ever. She is also walking around with very little protection and is often kidnapped by people who want to read those books due to stupidity, killing her would stop a lot of nasty shit in that universe.
>>47955321
Wait. Raildex is basically Persona with the collective unconsciousness bullshit then?
>>47955439
I mean, what happens if it doesn't have know how much or doesn't have enough?
>>47955447
Yeah...
>>47955190
That it would be. It's either that or reading a shit load of kids book. Goodnight Moon might give you a level in Acrobatics due to the reference to a cow jumping over the moon. Or astronomy.
>>47955263
>>47955359
For fucks sake.
I am not stupid_dog. This isn't even the first time I've had to point that out to you.
>>47955439
It is conceptual BS based on Christianity, there was originally a limit to the number of times he could use the I Win Button but after getting his hands on Index that limit is gone letting him push the button whenever he damn well feels like.
>>47955451
Path of least resistance huh?
>>47954361Which Top Gear? The old "racist" Top Gear? Or the new "diverse" Top Gear?
>>47954360
Speaking of Bleach. I wish we had a better jump for it.
>>47955398
Clearly you simply erase Christianity in its entirety.
>>47955439
He functionally has a life time supply of uses. It's not something he has to put any effort into or use any power of his own to make work, it has a set number of uses in the who-knows-how-many range that let it just fucking work.
>>47955492
I wish we had a better World of Warcraft jump too. Unfortunately neither of us is getting what we want.
>>47955478
Same difference.
>>47955510
How do they go to the bathroom?
>>47955496
Huh. So what would happen if he tried to use his Right Hand trick on a literally indestructible target? E.g. the Enchanted Weapon from Samurai Jack or the Immortal Object from Sword Art Online?
>>47955495
Nah, even then, the Phase would still be around to facilitate his power. You'd need to be able to do phase manipulation shit to keep up with the big leagues since all of them are at that level basically. Majin are basically the magic side equivalent to Level 6 or SYSTEM, which you are explicitly locked out of, so, fuck you I guess.
>>47955496
He used to have a set number of uses, once he got close enough to that limit for him to care he just went out and did something that gave him an unlimited supply of I win Button presses.
>>47955474
To be honest, it does get to a point where a Jumper never really considers what they can buy with in-setting currency.
>>47955521
Same as 4chan.
They open their mouths.
>>47955524
It would "Defeat" the item in a way other than destroying it.
>>47955534
Why bother when you can Magpie or make your own stuff.
>>47955499
Wish we had better shitposters. But alas, here you are. Step up your game.
>>47955389
>>47955398
But Touma could at least partially negate his powers and then lunch him, defeating him and ending his powers at the time.
So it's not an I win?
Wiki mentions specific uses of the thing and it was resisted/negated
>>47955534
It's the same with actually looking into a setting beyond what the jump tells you. If anyone actually did it they'd have found out about the easy, simple time travel device a perk in a certain jump teaches you to make.
People just don't do work/research on their own. It's not even an anymore situation, just a majority only look at what's in front of them rather then...uh...what's underneath the underneath?
>>47955545
Imagine Breaker is itself an "I win" button.
>>47955524
It would break them, shut up already with these retarded questions. You can't beat him, give up.
>>47955567
This. Quit your powerwanking.
