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> Codexes
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https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQ
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
> The Black Library(Stay the fuck away from the clowns)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb
>>47855780
So what are you working on this weekend /tg/?
Assembling a model? Painting something? Working out a kitbash? Or maybe just trying to work out a new list, perhaps one to start a new army with?
>>47855780
Does anyone know when the rules for the new 40k terrain?
>>47855801
Metal Boxes got their flesh bases done for white parts. Possible got inspired for the rest of them blood ravens thanks to E3 presentation. Still waiting for them Vedros rules.
>>47855840
What do you mean?
>Okay, for my dread army I seriously need some goddamn anti air, I'm buying a Deredeo.
>hmm... And a leviathan. Not strictly necessary or anything, but a lovely centrepiece and I've been winning lots of games. Might as fucking well take the hit to effectiveness it technically represents.
>The fuck do you mean that's not qualifying for free shipping
>FINE, I'LL TOSS IN A FUCKING THANATAR, ITS IN PREVIEW PICS FOR FIRES OF CRYAXUS WHY THE FUCK NOT
help me I have a fucking problem
>>47855801
I'm working on myAOSmodels to try to get them done in time for theAOSsummer campaign. Would work on my dark eldar but as the playstyle I want to use (gunboats) literally doesn't work (the "fastest army in the game" has to trundle around the table at 6" per turn) I don't have much motivation to get them finished for games. Maybe I should just finish them up so they look nice on the shelf at least...
>>47855801
I'm working on painting my Orks, putting together my dakka jet and deff dread.
These units look really powerful, it's insane how many strength 10 attacks deff dreads get, I bet they could shred anything that doesn't kill them first.
I feel like I'm going to have fun with these two.
>>47855801
exalted seeker chariot, i'm 70% done i believe. i'm worried that the colors will class though
>>47855898
I'm sure you and the other three guys who turn up for the campaign will have a wonderful time.
Hey, if you do a third place play off, you might even be able to get a whole four games played!
>>47855801
Three drop pods with magnetized doors.
How would you arm an Imperial Knight?
Just got into Warhammer 40k last month, Played Dawn of War 1 a lot and wanted to get into table top and just got the money. Originally wanted Necrons but I decided to play Orks after my friend talked about the fluff enough. I have poured a lot of money into my army so far but just built my stompa and built a 1500 point army around it.
Stompa
Ghazghull
Painboy
Meganobs
2xFlash gits
Kaptin Badrukk
I mainly play against Space Wolves and Chaos. Any formations I should look into? I have the codex and supplement, But I like custom formations
>>47855993
Probably an avenger gatling cannon, thermal cannon, and a stormspear rocket pod.
But I don't know shit, I play Tyranids.
>>47855993
put magnets on it and use everything. chainsword and battlecannon probably works best. if you were renegade then double battlecannons and chaos would be khorne, battlecannon, dirge caster
>>47855993
>implying there's a choice other than dual Avengers for maximum dakka
>>47855993
The Gattling Cannon, gauntlet, and the stormspear.
>>47856210
>committing tech heresy and doing what renegades do
>>47855801
Nothing, anon.
It's too hot out here in the desert to prime anything, even at night it gets above 80+. So I've just got a whole lot of IG stuff still on their sprues as I feel unmotivated currently.
>>47855801
Trying to settle on a first army. Didn't really like the contents of the Start Collecting CSM box, so now I'm leaning towards Space Wolves. Would two Start Collecting boxes and two Drop Pods be a good start?
>>47856240
>Letting some faggot on Mars limit your ability for BRRRRRRT
>>47856240
Why is it tech heresy?
>>47855993
WITH MAXIMUM DAKKA
>>47855993
can someone explain this to me?
>>47856343
>Oh sorry anon, but I'm afraid you voided the extended lifetime warranty on your knight titans so now you and your bloodline will be excommunicated from further assistance. Please be advised your heresy has been reported and a Magos will be seeing you soon. If you wish to have your case reviewed please submit form #790876 through #817599526 in triplicate and wait 100 years for a reponse. Thank you and have a good day.
Good luck getting those rare parts, servitors, and machine spirits ;)
>>47856343
Yeah! Xana II superiority!
Eat it loyalist fags.
>>47856455
Are you suggest that the Admech act like the absolute worst kind of Indian tech support if you piss them off? Cause that's a great idea that's even more dickish than just saying "No more tech for you, fucker."
>>47856399
Explain what? They're the weapon profiles.
>>47856399
It's the descriptions for the weapons in the Imperial Knight Codex. Not much else to say about it.
>>47855993
Rapid fire battle cannon, reaper chainsword.
For carapace weapons, it's simple:
Take ionstorm if you think you'll be up against hordes, autocannon if flyers are likely, and stormspear for everything else.
If for some reason you get to take a relic as well, take sanctuary.
>>47856499
I picture them more like the cable company from South Park when they want to be dicks.
>>47856455
>Oh sorry Blood Angels, but I'm afraid you voided the extended lifetime warranty on your rhino-chassis tanks when you fucked with the engines, so now you and your bloodline will be excommunicated from further assistance. Please be advised your heresy has been reported and a Magos will be seeing you soon. If you wish to have your case reviewed please submit form #790876 through #817599526 in triplicate and wait 100 years for a reponse. Thank you and have a good day.
>Wait, those are actually pretty cool.
>Can we have them please Blood Angels? And that assault cannon version?
>Pleeeeeeeeeeease?
>>47855993
With a single turbo-laser.
My Guard has a Crusader with battle cannon, gatling cannon, shoulder stubber, stormspear pod. CSM got a basic Paladin with shoulder stubber that I've converted into a Subjugator.
>>47856499
Ever heard about Bill the mechanic that invented treads because the terrain sucks on his world? Neither have I.
>>47856383
Non approved improvements are frowned upon.
>>47856546
Stupid sexy blood angels and their fast engines.
>>47856593
Why is it non-approved?
>>47856604
>"Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."
--(Shortened) Intro to the Warhammer 40,000 universe.
Tech isn't that well understood and the tech priests don't like to share or let people be independent.
>>47856637
>not putting two of the same gun on a Knight means you don't understand how tech works
That's stupid. I'm going to believe that the AdMech banned it because of something happened like what Horus did on Terra with the Warhounds.
>>47856604
Most changes to tech in the Imperium has to actually be approved by a Magos or high in the Admech. It's one of the reasons why in some of the older codices the Razorback was still considered "new" and "untested" despite being in use for at least 3000 years. Course I may have just remembered that wrong but it still points out that the Techpriests of Mars are scarily ignorant about how some of the more advanced tech they maintain works.
>>47856671
I never claimed it was for a good reason. Remember that time the admech helped out in a war, got their data, then left the guard to die?
I believe it's a power hold. If you teach a man to fish, why is he gonna buy fish from you anymore?
>>47856723
Have the best fish
>>47856723
>If you teach a man to fish, why is he gonna buy fish from you anymore?
Because he's a soldier and doesn't have time for fishing and fighting off enemies?
>>47856723
Because you know the secrets to ultimate fish gathering?
>>47856764
This.
>>47855869
I don't see nothing wrong.
>>47856637
>>47856723
There's certainly an element of that, but don't forget that the AdMech is also a technology cult composed of sanctimonious engineers. In their minds, asking them to change a design like that is an insult - if it was such a great idea to put two gatling cannons on a Knight, that's how they would have done it to begin with.
Not to mention that specifications and blueprints/STCs are their holy texts. They look at aftermarket modifications the way that the Westboro Baptist Church looks at gay marriage.
>What's that, Blood Angels? Your overcharged engines keep breaking down on you?
>Well that's what happens when you fuck with the STCs given unto us by the Omnissiah. >Fucking heathens.
So riddle me this, 40KG. As a newfaggot how many paints would I feasibly need to proficiently paint an army outside of the primer and base coats like in the Citadel starters?
>>47856981
>Primer
>Base x2
>Layer x2
>Layer x2
>Wash x2
Assuming a 2 colour paint scheme
>>47856981
As many colors as you want? I don't understand the question.
>>47856975
Forgot to add at the end
>I don't even know how an engine could be overcharged like that
>m-maybe you could show me?
>>47856210
Only Renegade Knights can go dual Avengers.
>>47857006
I meant per each color of the model. Given >>47857005's answer I'm just going to gather
1 x Base
2 x Layer
1 x Shade
Per color if I read that correctly. Sorry for the shit wording of the question.
>>47857033
I would go
1x Base
1x Layer (2x Layer if you REALLY want to add highlights)
and maybe 1x Shade, but even then you could use the main two shades for most colors.
>>47857033
>Per color if I read that correctly.
Yep, you got it.
What are you painting?
>>47857089
I haven't read up on the game in years but I'm torn between a Nurgle Daemon army and possibly Space Marines/Eldar. A friend who was trying to help me get back into it and shake off the rust has been saying shit like Eldar and Necron to get back into the groove of painting but from lurking in here the old space Terminators are having a bad time it seems.
>>47857113
>Nurgle Daemons
here friend
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/4djegd/painting_500_points_of_nurgle_in_a_weekend/
Prime white! Or black. White for me.
I painted the weapons Boltgun Metal
First wash was Athonian Camoshade
Second wash was (half of the minis) Agrax Earthshade or Gryphonne Sepia *Rust up the weapons with Typhus Corrosion and Ryza Rust
Next is two (2) washes of Carroburg Crimson on the wounds and guts *Yellow eyes, Screaming Skull or Ushabti Bone teeth
>Watching potentially tasty eBay auctions
>Retards initiate a bidding war
>3 days before auction ends
I swear to god...
>>47857033
Yeah, pretty much.
>Basecoat the general colour
>Layer to the colour you actually want
>Different layer to highlight
>Shade
You can miss the basecoat stage and just put the first layer paint over your primer, but you need so many more thin layers to get a strong colour that it's not really worth it. Also, you can double up on shades, lots of people do the entire model with just agrax or nuln oil.
Do ignore the GW painting guides with 4-5 different layer paints per colour, that's not necessary, especially when starting.
>>47857169
Have they gone over the RRP yet? It's always funny when that happens.
>>47857137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpuv7VPb2rA
>Nurgle
>>47857186
It's getting there now :^)
Nothing quite like seeing a potential bargain, slowly creep up and then past the discount the major online resllers offer... then start to approach RRP
blows my fucking mind, who let these idiots
a. near a computer
b. near my hobby
>>47857137
>rofl just use lots of washes
i don't know if i should hate or envy you since layering/highlighting/blending takes more effort for the same amount of tabletop standard
>>47857137
Wait, you base coated them with the white primer then washed them? That's all? They turned out pretty fucking great, well done.
>>47857220
>>47857226
>>47857233
I didn't paint them, i just found this post when i was looking and thought it would help that anon
>>47857254
Oh, well, still really effective.
>>47857226
Well to whoever painted that army's credit, washing shit like Nurgle also gives it a more organic look. I had been considering doing that and looking up shit like gangrenous infections and trenchfoot for ideas.I went to dark, dark places. Never again.
Favorite Knight pattern(s)? I love me some Cerastus and Questoris.
>>47857309
Does it matter? Owning any knight makes you a pariah.
>>47857225
Long time sellers use dummy profiles to tip bids to how they want it. Its illegal, but they get away with it.
>>47857309
For keks, that new one FW made that's as big as a titan.
>>47857327
Knights are cool. At least they're not Wraithknights-tier.
>>47857290
washing works damn well, though idk if you could win a golden daemon with it..
>>47855801
Ive got 20 mk II marines, 20 calth marines, 6 jetbikes, 10 kakophoni, a spartan tank and a knight lancer all to clean and assemble
So, the Blue Scribes. Are they as bad as people think? Almost Guaranteed cool shit on Maelific sounds pretty tits imo for 81 points.
>>47857376
I'd just be washing a nurgle army to have fun with it (hopefully), not enter a painting contest. My general idea which people will probably go "That's stupid" to is giving them some hues of blue as well in the extremities like their feet, hands, and stomachs so that it gives them the appearance of a waterlogged plague-ridden daemon rising out from a foetid swamp.
>>47857422
i've used them a few times, they didn't do much but i wasn't doing malefic
>>47856292
nigger yoube been saying that for weeks
Just get a ventilator and prime inside your house or something
>>47857433
Sounds like it'll give them a cool corpse color.
>>47857327
You don't have to own one. You can still like them.
>>47857440
I mean, 81 point Bloodthirster, or guaranteed Incursion, while rerolling 2-3 via Karios because those powers are kind of ass.
Does anyone knows a good scions black paint scheme?
>>47857464
You know what the worst part of getting that idea was?Re-reading Stephen King's The Shning and watching the Kubrick film to see how the colors of her decaying corpse meshed with the water rotted wounds.
I may or may not have fapped to it.
>>47857169
this always happens.
>>47857433
actually that would work pretty well. as far as non standard colors go who cares? i got some daemonettes in blanka colors, my bloodthrister has blue nails, and my champ bloodcrusher is white
>>47857479
it's pretty damn cheap. i think the reason why people don't use them is because he's an hq slot by himself like the masque
>>47857487
>rhinox hide highlighted with skrag brown forbthe soft parts
>Black highlighted with dark reaper and then thunderhawk blue for the armour
>red lenses
there you go
>>47857327
I own 4 Knights. Ive only put a Knight on the table in two games. Dont be so judgemental anon.
>>47857503
You do you nurgle familia
>>47857584
What can I say? Grandpa provides.
>>47857598
Not sure if i wanna stick my dick in or not
What's a good kit with lots of fun bits?
I play CSM so damn near anything is on the table because it can just be captured/re purposed tech
>>47857552
Is shooting something as it appears out of the warp / webway and killing them all really all that noteworthy?
>>47857617
If you do your dick will rot off, and warts that corrupt your soul will grow in its place.
>>47857617
Depends. Do you like botfly removal and cist popping?
>>47857137
I painted about 1800 points in my spare time after work, took just under a month. If you have an airbrush you can really save a lot of time. 6 Plague Drones to go and the project is finished.
Got sidetracked with a Scion Kill Team for a campaign though. Fully painted and based only, so I had to hit pause on the Daemons.
Crappy phone pic, but I can use my Canon for close ups of anything if you want a closer look.
>>47857639
>>47857646
I dont know it may be worth it tho
>>47857658
Do you want Treeman Ilness times 11? Do you want to be a filthy unwashed slave to darkness? Sex ain't worth it if it brings damnation.
>>47857687
So does this mean i should never have kids?
>>47857687
Marriage in a nutshell.
>>47857710
Kids don't bring warts that grow back every 2 months/maybe years.
>>47857717
Since when does marriage brings a bad codex?
>>47856292
I live in Phoenix, its hot as hell here right now. 118 today.
I prime indoors when its like this. Take your models into the garage, spray them, then bring them inside immediately. Works great.
>>47857736
>maybe years
children are warts that last for at least eighteen years
>>47857710
Pretty much yes. I mean, dicking a Nurglette would be like shoving your cock in one of the most horrifyingly soft and sponge-like vaginas of any -ette. Comparatively to Khornette or even Daemonette who could probably crush your dick into a fine red paste with a kegel flex a Nurglette's vaginal canal is infinitely yielding like wet, soft dough. I mean, yeah. Grandfather Nurgle provides but she probably has every kind of STD known to man and even if your dick and soul don't rot away upon sticking it in you still have to deal with popping pustules on the lips of her labia that release a strangely aphrodisiac pus or bile onto your genitals.
But you do you man, I'm not here to judge. You fucking heretic. Just don't try to kiss her with tongue because if you do that it's pretty much tongue wrestling an avacado faced cyclops with a blood colored worm for a tongue. I mean, what?
>>47857771
Nurgle, you're a wart.
>>47855801
I originally played grey knights but I decided to start a 30k IF legion with betrayal at calth. This weekend I've been painting my 2500 point list. Yes I have three knights, but one of them is a Gallant so that has to count for something.
>>47857907
I can see you love the color yellow. The uniform look works but have you thought about doing some variant patterns on the knights? With those big flat surfaces they seem perfect for freehand
>>47857957
I'm thinking about it, I used the daemonic yellow primer and only worry is that if I mess up any freehand work on those surfaces I won't be able to get it back to that same yellow. basically: I'm too shitty and scared to try
>>47855780
Just found the Rogue Trader-Era renegade I've been looking for, for months now on eBay!
Khorne "Plasma-hand" renegade, got some great ideas for painting this guy up right.
>>47857169
>>47857521
>>47857186
The funniest one I saw was a primed Transcendent C’Tan sold on its own (not even a flying stand) sold for £65
An entire Tesseract Vault kit from a reseller is £75
How are these people even alive? How do they not choke on their food or fall down the stairs every fucking day?
>>47858026
gotta try. i would do a checker pattern, chevrons or stripes would be the easiest. i believe in you
but if you mess up it might turn out well, i've made some interesting metal patterns from experimenting
>>47857629
Predicting where they are going to be before any signs of manifestation is.
>>47858179
I thought web ways had physical gate locations
>>47858215
Some do, others are hidden and invisible and there are some eldar which can manifest temporary web gate portals.
>>47857736
>bad codex
Chaos daemons are the best codex, THE BEST.
Let Nurgles rot overtake you and come join the winning team.
Woah guys, you seem to be enjoying your fine armies. I enjoy mine and all, except that I...have...nobody...to play with...
>>47858490
Me either, anon. Me either.
>>47858490
>2 solid wins this month, 1 game done early but could have crushed him had it gone on and it was in my favor
>painted a fuck ton
>finished a seeker chariot
i enjoy my daemons but it's a lot of work
>>47858490
>>47857907
I made the decision to quit 40k and play 30k. only problem? nobody else has a 30k army...that's why I had to add knights to my list so that I won't get rekt by formations. so that's almost as bad.
although I'll be honest, thoughts of that Dark Eldar Start Collecting box has me waking up with erections every morning.
>>47858490
>>47858532
I remember doing a game over 4chan, when drunk, the last time someone said that.
My nurgle daemons, lead by Gurgle the washed-out, his pet herald Boot-Lick and Daffodil the daemon prince vs 1k sons.
It was really fun but the game ended up lasting 6 hours.
I'd love to play with you anon, if only there was a decent way to do so online.
>>47858739
>Gurgle the Washed Out
Does he lead the Cavity Creeps?
>>47855993
Gatling cannon, Rapid fire Battle cannon, and Stormspear rocket pod
Got some upcoming competitive games, how dirty is my 1k list?
Autarch - swooping hawk wings/reaper launcher
7 swooping hawks
Exarch w/ sunrifle
3 Windriders w/ scatterlasers
3 windriders w/ scatterlasers
Crimson hunter exarch
Vyper w/ starcannon
3 Support weapon w/ vibrocannons
Wraithknight w/ glaive and scattershield
>>47858490
This is more common than you think.
The problem is that this hobby, how much we try to ignore this subject, is a hobby on the extreme end of things. Most people don't even know what miniature wargames are at all. And it doesn't get better when you try to explain.
So to sum it up, you are ether a
1- Nerd
2- Closet nerd
And you need to find people with a similar interests, of which there are few. The problem being, nerds tend to not go out side their comfort zone much. And closet nerds don't brag about their incredibly nerdy side.
My example is that most of my group simply quit playing 40k after Fantasy died. We all knew GW where assholes, but that like, dropped the ball and many got scared away to other games. So now its only me and this other guy who shows any interest in the game at all. Whats even more frustrating is that the rest of the guys still hang on to their stuff, refusing to sell or borrow, having it all stacked away down the cellar or up on the attic.
And both me and my friends are somewhat closet nerds, not really living the hobby so to speak, so its hard to find new friends to play. And even if we did, we liked our old group, we had played this game for a good 15-20years, and we knew each other really well.
So not really wanting to, I have several large armies just standing there... hardly ever seeing any table time.
>>47858666
I won a ton of games with my Orks against some pretty hard armies so next weekend I'm going to be taking on a rock hard space marine army.
Skyhammer
Grav centurions
Librarius conclave
Vindicator triothe imperial space marine [\spoiler]
Wish me luck /tg/!
So, why did Angelos jump so high? Did BR steal another Custodes armor? Or maybe Ferrus's, or Vulkan's?
>>47857907
>and not a single barrel was drilled that day
>>47858490
i haven't had a game for nearly 6 years anon, no near by group or store but at least i have time to paint i guess
>>47858670
I'm really interested in knowing what the rules are for the formation that comes in the box, as I own a large´ish army of DE already.
>>47859018
I'm willing to bet its 12" aura of Fear.
>>47854320
>S9 AP2 Blast Heavy Venom Cannon?
>AP2
>>47858532
>>47858666
>>47858670
>>47858739
>>47858886
>>47859009
Well thanks guys, at least I know I'm not the only guy with a sitting army.
>>47858739
>tfw actually remember this game being posted as it was played
Godspeed you magnificent bastard.
>>47858910
What is the big deal about the Imperial Space Marine? I mean, he's free... Is that what made /tg/ so mad?
>>47859117
I have no idea where I got AP2 from. Wishful thinking perhaps. Please laugh at me, for I am a fool.
>>47856391
It now belongs to da Orks!
>>47855780
Hey guys, check out my fan fic?
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12007237/1/Ryza-s-Envy
>>47858860
>Autarch
>Vyper
>Vibrocannons
I feel it could be dirtier. Don't get me wrong, a wraithknight at 1k is some shizzle, but if you're going for beardy filth I think you can do better.
Does anyone have that picture that puts the Horus Heresy books in a timeline/in order?
>>47857627
>768x362
Dark Angels Veteran set. Its pure value.
>>47859336
FREE
R
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For whatever reason people get mad as fuck about it, even in completely tame lists.
>>47859501
This model looks very good
>>47859520
i'm telling y'all, iz goooood stuff!
>>47855801
still thinking about what should be my first army. Looking at start collecting DE but lately Dark Vengeance starter caugh my attention because it seems like better value for my money. If only I could convince some stupid goy to split the box with me
>>47859565
Well the autarch was mainly to get the bonus on reserve rolls to get the hawks and crimson hunter in on turn 2, vibrocannons for some ranged anti-tank/wraithknight and the vyper was just to fill the last 45 points, I've got some falcons/wraithguard/wave serpents and farseer/warlock skyrunners but idk what to cut to fit any of that filth in
>>47859783
Not just free but free with a s5 ap2 instant death gun.
>>47859852
in my opinion, go for the DE start collecting box. everybody gets the Dark Vengeance set and the pieces are mostly snap-fit, which means that you actually will do very little of the modeling unless you take a knife to it. But if you're really set on marines I would recommend the Betrayal at Calth set. that's a lot of dudes for a low price, and you can build them for any legion/chapter you want.
Okay I don't actually play Space Marines, so should I sit on my Imperial Space Marine to see if it goes up in value, or just sorta built it and then forget I have it?
>>47859955
Marine's a marine, though. If you're losing characters to it, you'd have lost them to a basic meltagun even easier.
space marine problems are mostly linked to formations, with some exceptions
>>47860065
what should I buy together with DE box? Scourges?
>>47860145
It's really more a matter of principle than it being OMG scary (though deleting a big monstrous creature that easy is situationally a bitch)
It's pay to win, 100% free slot into any list, without even the requirements of a formation. Minor? Yeah, but still kinda a slap in the face.
>>47860232
>a slap in the face
Which is something fans of the game should be used to by now.
>>47857529
yeah but now post-decurion there's a lot more leniency to take them, incursion + cad often leaves you with a spare HQ slot
>>47860232
>It's pay to win
people can just convert a disintegration rifle, though
also most MC's that see play these days do not care about S5 shots
What should I purchase after a Start Collecting DE box and a 3rd venom?
Currently own: 20 Kabalites, 2 Venoms, 1 Raider, 1 Ravager, 5 Scourges, 3 Reavers, Archon, Haemonculus, Talos, Chronos, 5 Incubi.
>>47860383
Wracks fampai
Unskilled painter here.
Terrified to paint my farseer in case I fuck it up. Anybody else ever felt this way before?
>>47860455
Thinning your paint is literally half of making a model look decent. Staying in the lines is 25%, and the other 25% is actual painting skill like blending and shit. Go get 'em, oniifam.
>>47860455
Yep just play some music and relax. Maybe paint a trooper of some sort to gain a little momentum first.
>>47860145
>If you're losing characters to it, you'd have lost them to a basic meltagun even easier.
Not when that character is a toughness 6 monster, a FREE marine can instantly delete a 330 point bloodthirster.
>>47860455
All the time. I'm stuck fielding a black legion because I'm too scared to fuck up the paintjobs on the models I spent days converting, but I feel like I'm missing something when I use my painted scrubs.
>>47856919
Resin crack.
>>47860145
You're likely hitting twice, so it's roughly a 20% chance that you're wounding at, AP 2, anything up to T8. Factor in reroll to wound shenanigans and you get a very threatening weapon to most MCs and GCs. It's basically an invuln check, no FNP allowed, and eternal warrior on MCs is rare or incredibly expensive usually.
>>47860383
more reavers, scourges and ravagers
need redundancy in this army
>>47858886
>tfw closet nerd
I just want normal people to think I'm normal.
But I also want to talk about my hobby.
But I don't want to talk to people.
Help me.
any recommendations for lore about crons? particular books?
>>47858670
Why don't you just take what you have on 30k Models and use them with 40k Rules? I came back to 40k 1/2 year pre-B@C release and went full 30k after it. Now I just take my 30k Models, rearrange the squads and play as 40k with 40k formations and shit, when I only find 40k opponents.
>>47860559
>252 meme money
Fuck I could make a nice deck in Mtg with this
>>47860607
I explained 40k to my aunt when she came to visit as "SUPER complicated chess".
>>47860559
>You have to buy dreadnought weapons separately for extra
I know it's not a new thing, but forgeworld are fucking geniuses.
>>47860630
How long would it be usable though?Genuine question, I know shit about MtG.
>>47856063
Sorry bub. I feel for you but Stompas aren't a very solid choice in anything but fuck huge apocalypse style games. At 1500 pts you won't have much on the table. I wish it wasn't so because I love my Stompa model.
If you're stubborn like me and want to try anyway try bumping up to 2k pts and picking up a big mob of stormboyz. The Stormboyz can bubble wrap your Stompa and benefit from its fearless aura without slowing it down. I'm thinking of getting some rokkits pack bitz to convert my 20 choppa boyz.
Also, if you're ever considering putting the 30 pt grot rigger upgrade on your Stompa, don't. You can get 2 meks for 30 pts because of mekaniaks and get twice as many repair rolls.
I pretty much only use shoota boyz for my troops now, and even then solely as objective grabbers. You can kind of get away with MSU boyz in trukks in a Stompa list against bad players , because the Stompa is such an AV sponge.
>>47860664
Yeah.
£46 is actually a reasonable price for a Leviathan Dread. Big bulky kit in a nice sculpt from the mail-order small run sub company.
£72 after getting it two weapons, less so.
>>47860682
Going by the time I looked into MTG, about 2-3 years unless you have friends who are also big enough MTG nerds to play old shit games.
>>47855869
>>47860559
When they come in, take molds off of them and recast them until you have 2-3 good copies of each. Then resell the originals on eBay for 10% less than retail or assemble and paint them and sell them for a profit.
>>47860682
Let's say you already own some cards and choose the Modern format: Theoretically forever.
Standard would be useable 1.5 years I think, I don't really know, since I only play modern and draft.
>>47860774
Not actually the worst idea, if it's possible to actually pull off reasonably well and cheap.
>>47860739
the thing is, if it came with weapons, you're prob paying about 80 pounds for the kit with 2 weapons you might not even want, this way you pay about the same price, but end up with the weapons you need, instead of two useless ones.
>>47860559
>3 Leviathan weapons
You fucking mongoose.
>>47860826
I feel the fucking -arms- could be worth less than £26.
>>47860630
yeah, if you were 12 years old.
>>47860831
>What is a magnets?
That's actually a show of restraint: I could have easily went for more gun arms for swapsies.
>>47860559
>couldve paid 1/3rd of the price and supported my dear friend ling ling
>>47860915
maybe he wants forgeworld to make more dreadnoughts
>>47860915
Yeah, but The Chinaman (I love that this community has a shady guy who sounds like a matrix character) don't make it easy to get in contact.
Also I don't really want my shit later, full of possible defects and potentially able to get me banned from the GW I get pickup games from.
>>47860866
Maybe, but my point is that they're gonna cost that much either way, at least this way you're not paying for arms you dont even want
>>47860808
It takes some practice and some nigger rigging if you want to do it right, but the only expensive part is the mold material so you can just try again and again until you get one without defects. You can pretty easily get two or three sets of everything for less than the price of one, especially if you're willing to tolerate minor defects or work with green stuff.
Plus, it's another part of the hobby to master.
>>47860145
>Marine's a marine, though. If you're losing characters to it, you'd have lost them to a basic meltagun even easier.
Except no. Free 18" instant death isnt a standard Marine. Its also different than a 10 point meltagun.
That free upgrade isnt a game breaker, but the fact that you paid $40 to get a small advantage is a problem for many people. Including myself. You can field it if you like, but Im going to humiliate the fuck out of you for doing so. So just save us both the hassle and stop being a faggot.
all meltaguns should be instant death.
fuck the 'my battlesuit isnt a vehicle'fags
>>47860869
Why the butthurt?
If orks believe that they'll hit the target with a shoota, will they hit?
>>47861085
That implys they target specific enemies and not just point and shout.
>>47855780
Finished my rad tau commander. Wish i got farsight tho
>>47861073
im sick of autistic card game kids taking up space at the lgs 2bh lad
>>47861062
Tau Crisis Suits are T4 and would be ID by meltas.
http://news.sky.com/video/1714324/war-gamers-talk-eu-vote-tactics
>>47861085
They will.If they roll a 5+
Also £252 on resin crack guy again, got a question for anyone a bit more experienced with FW Mechanicum stuff:
I did an extremely heavy conversion of two of my Kastellan robots into a single larger, lankier one.
It's about double the normal height and ended up having to mount on an 80mm base, but nowhere near bulky enough in width to be a Thanatar. Is there any automata it would counts as well?
>>47861112not thin
>>47861044
But what if you payed 40 bucks for a cool model and you want to play it.
>>47861128
riptides should be ID by meltaguns
What should I add to my Knight House's system? They have a large system under their control, and I wanted to add a beach world where the Knights pilots can lounge around in their free time with a beach house. The beach house contains what they refer to as the "sofa of death". In ages past it would be a tradition to not get caught in lovers' throws on the sofa for the younger nobles, but the older ones got tired of this and tried to destroy the sofa. But the sofa was a DAOT relic and nearly destroyed the Knight trying to destroy the sofa. Now all members of the House live in fear of the sex stained war sofa.
>>47861170
Not automatically dude. Even against tanks, a Melta needs to hit a 5+ to kill.
Actually, I'd be fairly cool with it having a 1/3 ID chance.
>>47861170
You're retarded. Not even killakans are instantly destroyed by meltas.
>>47861169
Then that faggot will "humiliate the fuck out of you."
>>47861193
>Not automatically dude.
yes automatically, if in melta range.
if the tau player is a big enough scrub to let a meltagun get into meltarange than they should get IDed
>>47861044
>but Im going to humiliate the fuck out of you for doing so
Aren't you pleasant.
I'm glad my shop isn't full of spergs.
>>47861193
>Even against tanks, a Melta needs to hit a 5+ to kill.
tanks don't have 3+ invulnerable saves
>>47861197
killakans arent gamebreaking
>>47861169
Use it as counts-as or agree on a fair point value for it.
>>47861169
Play him as a normal marine then
This isn't hard
>>47861248
Neither do Riptides, generally. You know it's stupid to use the nova much unless you're running burst cannon, and even then, only offensively, right?
>>47861250
>Riptides are game breaking in 7th edition
Let me show you back to 6th edition with that dated meme friendo.
>>47861250
Ok, how about we make a "riptide gun" that every race but tau have access to.
Special rule: instant death(riptides)
How's my list?
HQ:
>Pask (Punisher) - 210
>[Leman Russ Executioner - 155]
>CCS (4x Meltagun, Astropath, Vox) - 120
Troops:
>Veteran Squad (2x Meltagun, Vox) - 85
>[Chimera (Autocannon) - 70]
>Veteran Squad (Forward Sentries, >Autocannon, 3x Sniper, Bolter, Vox) - 92
Fast Attack:
>Vendetta - 170
>Hellhound - 125
+ + + 1027pts + + +
Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company:
>Basilisk - 125
>2x Wyvern - 130
>Manticore - 170
>Techpriest Enginseer - 40
>CCS (Vox, Volkovs Cane) - 60
>Chimera (Autocannon) - 70
+ + + 585pts + + +
Fortifications:
>Aegis Defence Line (Quad Gun) - 100
Total: 1722
Melta CCS in the Vendetta, artillery platoon behind the Aegis with the Enginseer on the gun.
Any suggestions as to what I should get with the last 28 points? Camo netting?
>>47861326
Why not give it to Tau as well?
>>47861326
the one race that matters gets access to meltaguns.
xenocucks fuck off
eldar have D everywhere anyway
>>47861319
right, but it's a damn sight better than a once-a-game smokescreen
>>47861217
>Punishing Nid players harder
No fuckass. Melta is a bonus to pen, the explodes chance is from AP1 and only 1 in 3.
>>47861114
But we are all autists. One coukd argue that this is even more autistic because you need to assemble and paint your toys
>>47861372
hey fuckass, vehicles dont have 3+ invulns or muh flyrant is jinking.
>nid
>players
kek.
>Its a "Spergs argue about rules" episode
Hes laughing at you.
>>47861394
except the average age of the card game playerbase is literally 12 years old
>>47861399
It's a troll wins the thread episode.
Fuck you Janitors.
>>47861421
not an argument, fuckass
>>47861160
Actually should I copy this post over to the Heresy chat? I'm mainly asking because fires of cyraxus meaning I'll soon have more options, but...
>>47861372
Maybe nidcucks should use their GCs instead
Now that I think about it how would a War Sofa be stated?
>>47861460
Like the rest of the army, they all suck.
>>47861446
Thank you Stefan Molyneux. Your opinion is valid and appreciated.
>>47861460
Their GCs are garbage Stefan.
>>47861460
Why when the Crud hates them?
>>47861474
hmm maybe nids need a new codex???
meltaguns should still be ID in melta range
>>47861509
Literally no one cares what you think. We're just all amazed why Stefan Molyneux thinks this is somehow a good idea even though we've shown him many reasons why it's not.
>>47861528
you havent said 1 reason why its bad or even had 1 argument.
>>47861528
Literally no one cares that you don't care
My Imperial Space Marine is going to eat your MCs anyway
>>47861509
>maybe nids need a new codex
Yeah, its been a while since their last assfucking.
>>47861509
You do know who's the expert on Nids right?
>>47855780
I mainly play Crons but have been thinking about making a second army.
Are Scions good? They look pretty good imo. What about astartes?
>>47861553
>>47861556
nids gonna get boneified
>Meltaguns kill vehicles
>Therefore they should kill monstrous creatures too
Ah, yet another thread ruined by Butthurt About MCs Treadhead.
>>47861586
English isn't your first language, is it?
This already happened in 5th edition.
>>47861605
im not even butthurt about your 'totally not a vehicle' being a MC, i run 30 combi-grav sternguard in pods.
melta just needs a boost
>>47861612
>not understanding memes
pic related, its you.
>>47861651
What meme?
>>47861156
>day turned on eeech 'uva, space marines on marines, bruvva' on bruvva'
What does this have to do with the EU referendum.
>>47861663
>implying i spoonfeed autists
i forgot that summer is here already
>>47861686
I didn't know Orks cared about the Heresy.
>>47861542
ID is supposed to be special and valued. Only special characters or special weapons have such a power, like the Swarmlord or a Liberian. Even a Liberian still has to cast a power to get it. There are many weapons that are considered good because they give you ID on a 6.
No matter what your toughness, wounds, armor or FNP is you die. 285 point Swarmlord and his bodyguards? That's 11 wounds at T6 3+ armor, but could be obliterated by 4 meltas drop pod or deep striking Crisis Suits no problem.
Marine and Tau players would just mass deep strike meltas and completely obliterate every army in the game. Wow you sure made the game better.
You've given the power of ID in the form of usually a 10/15pt upgrade for regular units. How the fuck is this even remotely a good idea.
>>47861625
You clearly are quite butthurt, given how often you bring up some way or other that you think MCs should gain the disadvantages vehicles have.
And melta doesn't need a boost, it happily kills the shit out of vehicles, which is its purpose. The solution to grav being too effective against too many different targets is not to bring more stuff up toward grav's level...
Anyone ever play choppy Eldar? I was thinking Aspect hosts with Howling Banshees and a CAD with Wraithblades would be a lot of fun. Not a fan of their shooting, shit's out of balance.
>>47861756
>Marine and Tau players would just mass deep strike meltas and completely obliterate every army in the game.
except the only army that relying on broken as fuck 'totally not vehicles' MCs is tau so i dont see your 'point'.
>>47861757
>You clearly are quite butthurt, given how often you bring up some way or other that you think MCs should gain the disadvantages vehicles have.
they should.
>maybe if i say you are butthurt enough itll become an argument
not an argument, fuckass.
How are you feeling tonight, anon?
>>47861804
I want to blow my brains out because I'm gong to die alone.
>>47861572
Forgot to add on, are the cult mechanicus units any good?
>>47861761
If you're feeling ballsy, look into choppy DE allies, if only to bring their delicious open-topped transports for you to jack for your Banshees. It's a pity the FAQ draft hit that strategy (and DE in general) so hard because it was fun as balls to play.
Also don't forget about Scorpions, those fuckers eat hordes like Banshees never will, and Infiltrate alleviates the need for their own personal party bus.
Maybe Tau MCs should just be walkers.
Someone care to rate my list? 1500points of CSM
The Sword Host
HQ(Warlord): Lucius the Eternal
HQ: Chaos Lord
-Mark of Slaanesh
-Steed of Slaanesh
-Power Sword
-Aura of Dark Glory
-Combat Familiar
-Gift of Mutation
-Veterans of the Long War
Elites: Chaos Terminators (4)
-Power Swords
-Combi Bolters w/Melta
-Icon of Vengeance
-Mark of Slaanesh
-Veterans of the Long War
Elites: Chosen (10)
-Mark of Slaanesh
-Icon of Excess
-x4 Plasma Guns
-Power Swords
-Melta Bombs
-Veterans of the Long War
-Gift of Mutation
-Rhino w/Dozer Blade
Troops: Cultists (20)
-Autoguns
Troops: Chaos Space Marines (5)
-Mark of Slaanesh
Fast Attack: Warp Talons (7)
-Mark of Slaanesh
-Veterans of the Long War
>>47861717
I want the entire 40k lore explained to me by an Ork.
>>47861845
No MURDER SWORD/10
>>47861815
This guy. Telling it like it is.I'm gonna call you Hawkeye, you funny bastard
>>47861827
What's the deal with the Scorpions btw? I haven't really figured out what's supposed to be good about them looking at the codex. Part of that is I usually play against some friends who play SM, Necrons and Chaos, so I haven't had much chance to fight low toughness or armor armies.
>>47861798
If you think Tau rely on Riptides you're stuck in 6th edition.
I could beat the ever living breaks off everyone here that wasn't running Ad Mech or Eldar with 0 MCs or GCs. Fuck the retarded "muh 6 gorillion razorbacks" SM formation. Wipe them off the board, wouldn't even draw objective cards.
Tau have a much deeper problem than muh Riptides.
>>47861815
Wew
>>47861852
Orks seem very zen-like in their perception of history. They don't give much of a fuck about past or future, only the moment at hand. They don't take trinkets as memories of good WAAAGHs, they take good luck charms and usable scrap for immediate advantage.
So, my question is, would an Ork know or care about 40k lore enough to explain it?
>>47861880
Looks like I can afford that if I ditch the GoM. Thanks
>>47861187
A small habital moon with mock battlements so the Knights can train seige tactics and maybe an arena for honor duels and shitmaybe even an annual tourney
>>47861845
1/10
No way to open heavy vehicles, one unit of plasma guns for opening light vehicles, cultist squad larger than ten men, cultists with autoguns, marked naked CSM squad, so on and so forth.
I need to choose a Fast Attack choice for my Gladius.
I kinda wanna go with Land Speeders because back when I got into the setting, I really liked their style.
But they're pretty expensive for how bad they tend to be.
Do I just join the evil side and buy a bike squad?
>>47861798
>ignore the fact the second half of the post is making a counter argument
>"you didn't make an argument you just claimed I was butthurt!"
Okay dokey.
>only tau rely on MCs
Do nids not exist in your world?
>>47861932
Ork tell stories about the Brainboyz and their times with them. Obviously, they have some care for history,
>>47862004
Thanks, Anon. House Delgapo thanks you.
Dark Eldar worth getting into with the Start Collecting kit?
Need a 5th army to fuel my addiction
>>47862045
nid players dont exist.
the handful of flyrant spamming faggots deserve to get fucked just as hard as the riptidecucks.
>>47862077
you know the best part of playing daemons is being exempted from all dick-waving or arguing
>>47862060
It was my pleasure. I love the sofa btw
>>47861828
The Stormsurge not being a super-heavy walker is ridiculous. It has two pilots, visible, sitting at controls. How is this a creature more than a Helbrute, Soul Grinder, Plague Hulk? Those are literally monstrous and creatures. A Stormsurge is literally a walker.
Why
>>47861845
I'm not really sure what kind of advice you're looking for since this is obviously a fluffy Slaanesh list and if you're not brand new I'm sure you're aware that fluffy CSM is masochism, hell so is "competitive" CSM. Is Sword Host some new formation or just faction name?
>>47862077
>the handful of flyrant spamming faggots
We have one decent unit in the whole goddamn book, shithead. Get a grip
>>47862110
>We have one decent unit in the whole goddamn book
and yet not even 1 argument, shitfuckasshead.
>>47862084
How so? I've never played as or against daemons so I don't know they are good or not. Whenever I hear someone talk about army tiers they always neglect to mention the daemons.
>>47862088
I'm just picturing the nobles just avoiding the War Sofa like a plague.
>>47862139
KDK steamrolls me a lot with double Bloodthirster.
All other daemons seem like shit tho
Please give us a better Codex GW.
>>47862094
>Why
I have no fucking idea. I think they rotate the top-tier armies every edition to increase sales.
>>47862139
if*
>>47862143
its that part of the beach noone dares enter
>>47861828
>>47862094
I play Tau, and the Stormsurge definitely should've been a walker. But for Riptides and Crisis suits, I remember reading in the lore that it's essentially a "Tau Dreadnought" where the pilot is connected to his suit through a needle in the neck or something so that his brain can control it. But the Ghostkeel, as we can see on its model is a different story, featuring control panels and such.
>>47862139
Daemons are arguably one of the best armies in the game but everyone seemingly forgets them in every list. Whether it's armies people struggle with, tier lists, "x-players-are-gay", etc. etc. daemons are always conspicuously absent
>>47861852
See, 'bout few thousund yonks ago dere woz deez pink 'umie gits dat rocked up an' wanted da galaxy for demselves. But wot dey didn't know is dat da galaxy already belongs to DA ORKZ. So we krumped 'em but den deyz came back with moar dakka and gave us a propa foight! Dey wuz pretty gud at foightin' so we'z been fighting 'em ever since. Datz dat really.
- Loremaster Crotchwacka
>>47862177
DEEPEST LORE
>>47862139
Daemons are mid-tier. Tzeentch Daemon based circus and summon lists can be upper tier, but they're heavily reliant on RNG and not getting gutted by an alpha strike.
>>47862154
KDK is a lot better than most people credit it as being, but it's actually one of the weakest daemon armies. Honestly post-decurion it is very possible to run competitive mono lists, though true optimization is still undivided
>>47862163
It's keep inside the beach house so it doesn't get wet, and the machine spirit doesn't declare war on them.
>>47862206
>it's actually one of the weakest daemon armies
Really? Goddamn
I don't want to imagine anything worse than double Bloodthirsters.
>>47862212
>Fearsome archeotech war sofa.
Its almost worth it to scratchbuild a model for it.
>>47862227
Consider you can take Skarbrand, the best and cheapest thirster variant more or less, have pink horrors roll on malefic, take blue scribes and have them roll on malefic, etc. I've used malefic lists to put 6 greater daemons on the board before.
>>47862275
Why do I even play 40k anymore, my Nids will never have access to anything that good
>>47862227
How about an army that can swap it's untis for bloodthirsters?
What if the units it swapped for them could be summoned for free, mid game?
>>47862230
All of the most dangerous races in the fluff are the worst on the table.
Its like poetry.
>>47862264
It must be done.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r36uB0LbVCg
>>47862037
pls help Im poor and wanna have the most out of my minimum wage slave labor job
>>47862037
Couldn't you grab a flyer?
So, did everyone remember the greatest father of all, with Father's Day being today?
>>47862499
I haven't thought about that. Guess I'm a dumbo. Back when I got into the game for the first time and didn't have money to play, there weren't any flyers yet.
Which one would you recommend?
>>47862328
Isn't that Khorne daemonkin?
>>47862503
Russ?
>>47862345
It's because they rely on respawning and their units are basically free.
Points for points other factions should win, but Nids and Orks are 5 times more points than their opposition.
>>47861162
i like unthinned paints on veichles, but i guess it works better on my dirty, old and weathered down IG tanks than a super tacticool tau gundam
>>47862529
The newest one is a slightly better storm talon I think, the Xiphon interceptor is glassy but does neat things to vehicles from what I remember.
Stock stormtalon is gonna be the cheapest option points wise I'm pretty sure.
>>47855869
>FINE, I'LL TOSS IN A FUCKING THANATAR, ITS IN PREVIEW PICS FOR FIRES OF CRYAXUS WHY THE FUCK NOT
wait, what? last I heard everyone was saying "never ever ever" to automata being in that book despite that making zero sense from the perspective of a company that wants to sell models
>>47861112
Fucked up/10
THIN YOUR PAINTS
Why doesn't GW sell some sort of "terrain starter kit" for blinging out a table?
>>47862664
>liking unthinned
No. Never. Not even on vehicles.
Drybrushing is fine, as detailed by Saint Duncan. But unthinned? No.
>>47861572
Scions are limited, 2 HQs, 1 Troop, 2 FA,, 3 Formations.
They basically are Codex: Suicide Special Weapons.
Although the Start Collecting box is really good with an awesome formation.
Cult Mechanicius is similarly limited, but I feel are stronger than Scions with better options.
>>47862678
AW SHIT BOYEEEEEEEE
I really hope they include Usurax.
>>47862755
They already make several, Mr. Idea Guy.
>>47862755
wut?
there are a bunch of terrain bundles and basing kits for greeblies
>>47862783
riptides arent vehicles :^)
>>47862664
Your mother drank a lot right before you were born, huh?
>>47862534
Don't Daemonkin have some insane relic where if the character dies he becomes a daemon prince?
Only that daemon prince keeps the relic and so becomes a second daemon princes when the first dies and then a third and forth and so on.
>>47862813
Reading comprehension.
>>47862664
I would like to see your tanks.
>>47862790
I mean, if the other IA books are anything to go by they usually include everything they have models for, albeit often with (very) different rules. Transports, tanks and big baddies are exactly what 40k AdMech lacks since all they really have right now are a bunch of elite light infantry, some light fire support and knights. They'll be a real faction with actual army builds if they get all the 30k models.
>>47862813
That's even worse then.
>>47862166
>But for Riptides and Crisis suits, I remember reading in the lore that it's essentially a "Tau Dreadnought" where the pilot is connected to his suit through a needle in the neck
But a Dreadnought isn't a monstrous creature....
>>47862836
>I would like to see your tanks.
This. It would amuse me
>>47862170
Because Daemon players are almost always bro-tier. They're like the opposite of Tau players.
>>47862882
You're full of shit. Daemon players will run cheese just as often if not more than Tau players because they know nobody will call them on it.
>>47862206
I've heard a few people saying the Nurgle Daemonic Incursion is OP.
Seems like it would be weak vs any armies good in assault - BA, SW, etc.
>>47862832
Nope. Kor'lath, the Axe of Ruin has a rule that summons a 'thirster when the bearer dies.
>>47862903
This is partially true. The Daemon player in our group was running Screamers one time and played them as though that the armorbane hit that he exchanges his regular attacks for still retained the normal number of attacks and not the single armorbane hit. So he was 1 shotting vehichles with like 5 armorbane hits or something. Since he does stuff like that quite a bit we give him shit for "cheating" all the time.
>>47862882
>>47862903
>Daemon players are almost always bro-tier.
Found the daemon player. Flying circus ring any bells? Maxed pink horrors summoning? SCREAMERSTAR? Fuck off.
>>47862672
Thank you my man.
>>47862755
Thats crazy.
Next you'll say they should make their own tools for painting and modeling.
Rate my tentacles? They're going onto the base for Draigo. He'll be walking out of the Warp and they'll be reaching out from the Warp side of the base.
>>47862037
Land Speeder.
They're cheap and verstile.
Or you can just got 3 bikes, double gravguns and combi-grav like a dick.
>>47862903
>>47863031
Nah I play CSM, BA, and Guard.
I have a Nurgle Daemon army but it's never been on the table. It's for the shelf to compliment my Death Guard. And calm the fuck down bro.
Alright so the Knight Gallant, is its only advantage having two weapons to choose from for melee?
>>47863147
Land Speeder with doulbe multi-melta?
>>47863176
That's a good one, move 12" and shoot 12".
>>47863173
Nah, it's main advantage is that it's the most badass loadout there is. Guys who field Gallants tend to drive nice cars and get tons of pussy.
>>47863173
That and it also gets +1 attack due to two CCWs. It's cheap for a reason, being a Knight without the dakka that gets to choose to throw any vehicles in kills.
>>47863185
My only concern would be that that would be quite an investment of points for something that burns like paper.
Now that Raider/Venomspam is worthless, what is the best way to build Dark Eldar now?
>>47863219
It's only 70 points, and if you be a dick and use it in such a way that the oppnent can't afford to leave it be, then you just saved your more expensive unit from being shot by whatever he kills the speeder with. Plus it can jink, 4+ isn't great but it's saved me more times that some of the other players in my group are happy about.
Sincerely, a Dark Eldar player.
>>47863260
Haemonculi cults I guess
>>47863198
So you're saying field at least two?
(captcha wanted me to pick the pics with buses, I bet it fields crusaders)
>>47863271
>Sincerely, a Dark Eldar player.
Teach me your ways. How I manage to bring it behind enemy lines without it getting shot down?
>>47863260
Mix CAD tax and Harly allies
>>47862657
>No rule that when something cool happen more Ork units show up
Man it would be great, have them attack the Ork players units on a roll of 1 when they show up.
>>47862159
>I think they rotate the top-tier armies every edition to increase sales.
Tau have been top tier for two editions now, Necrons were top back in fifth with their croissants, Space Marines have always been at least okay and the Razorwire style lists were excellent back in 5th, and Eldar have always been a top codex.
>>47863457
Deep Strike or Skip it up and keep it behind LOS blockers.
>You do use proper amount of terrain on your tables, right anon?
>>47860455
Simple Green yo
No matter how you mess up you can try again
>>47855780
So is there a term for the two missing Primarchs? Something like "The Lost" or "The Forgotten"?
>>47863605
When was the last time Orks were a good codex?Have they ever been a top codex?
>>47863457
Land speeders can deep strike, which a lot of people forget. Alternatively, and this will sound trite, just make it look like less of an easy frag and more of a pain to kill that isn't worth the time of his unit to shoot at. Hide it in cover for those sweet saves, hide it behind terrain to block LOS and so on, or just go Flat Out right in his direction, preferably while doing the above.
Sure, he could shoot your 70 point speeder, but it has a 3+ cover save, and only one unit can see it? May as well shoot the Land Raider instead. Conversely, you drove it in his face and it's now lining up melta shots? Better fucking get rid of it, jink be damned, and just have to take the fire from that Deredeo that's still standing next turn.
>>47863606
>You do use proper amount of terrain on your tables, right anon?
Usually a bit too much, actually.
Thank you Skimmer Man senpai
>>47863665
I only play 1000pts and all I got so far is Betrayal at Calth and a Devastator squad, so no Land Raiders or Deredeos in sight so fartfw poor
But you're right. I'm gonna go for the Land Speeder.
Thanks guys!
>>47863642
4th edition
>>47862095
Its a fluffy name for the army. Mostly looking to field a fun, relatively conservative army against the guys at my LGS.
>>47862015
I have indeed been playing this hobby for almost a year now, and I understand CSM is on the under-powered side of the competitive ring. I'll admit that the list has little in the way of anti-vehicle besides the Melta bombs, and I do have a Heldrake but that's just not very Slaanesh-y. If I had Noise Marines I could have something a little more versatile in that department, but this army was more or less an excuse for me to field a bunch of Chosen because it seems like I never use them.
I do plan to have the Lord lead the squad of normal marines, points simply limited what I could give them.
>>47863701
>all I got so far is Betrayal at Calth and a Devastator squad
some rhinos would be a good buy, for what it's worth
tactical marines without transports aren't anywhere near as tactical as they should be
>>47863610
I've got a fuck-off big model I'm looking to strip. Do you think I could set it in a plastic tub and liberally spray it with simple green and take a toothbrush to it?
>>47863633
The term is talking about them gets you a shift visit from the inquisition.
>>47863752
>tactical marines without transports aren't anywhere near as tactical as they should be
I know, and I plan to eventually field a Gladius with a full Battle Company to get those sweet, sweet free dedicated transport Rhinos, but
>30 Euros
>>47863633
The Lost and The Purged, iirc.
looking through the FW imperial armor books and seem intrigued by the medusa battery siege shells.
S 10 AP 1 blast with armorbane? That's actually up there with meltas in tank busting effectiveness, and it has a 48" range. Anyone ever tried these things out before?
>>47863669
>Usually a bit too much, actually.
There is no such thing as "too much"
>>47863797
Go chinese
>>47863797
ebay
bartertown
>>47863817
>suggesting resin for plastic kits that go for pennies online
m8
>>47863031
>a Daemon army that does well?
>what a fucking dick
>>47863817
The chinks have been terribly quiet
>>47863848
>bait
You don't need to net-list to do well with daemons.
The good thing about them is that they're so strong they can actually hold their own as assault army, which is a fucking miracle in a shooting meta as heavy as this.
So new to this, 3rd to 7th guy actually, and have only played 1k games or similar with my guard. I managed to fill out a 999pt list with what I had (plus almost EVERY upgrade) and just grabbed two more boxes of guardsmen for much needed bodies. I pretty much have 30ish vanilla lasguns, 4 of each special weapon, 8 sarges and 8 vox boxes. Would it actually be worth it to use every one of these to fill out a bunch of infantry squads en masse? How good are non veterans in a 10 man team in 1500ish games and/or should I just clump them with combined squad?
P.S the only other units I have is two commisars, a handfull of command models, two battle/vanquisher Russ, and a single chimera.
>>47862015
>cultist squad larger than ten men
Spamming blobs of Cultists is something that is an entirely valid CSM tactic, and can even be quite useful.
>>47863976
*and 6 heavy weapon teams, two of them modeled as missile launchers the rest adaptable.
>>47863836
I'm from Europe. Finding cheap offers that don't throw exorbitant shipping costs at you is harder than it looks. But I'll keep my eyes open.
What if we went back to using 1E-2E rules?
>>47863976
Always clump the basic infantry together.
For guard you generally have 3 armies.
-Tank spam, nothing but av14 leman russes with two squads of vets in chimeras to fill a cad.
-Chimera vets, just loads of veterans with special weapons in a chimeras with maybe a few supporting vehicles.
-Human wave, maximize infantry blobs then use 'unit wide' buffs to make them crazy like putting a divination psyker in there to make them all twin-linked and give them rending, a priest to make them zealots and so on.
>>47864126
I dont hate the idea of combining #3 and #2 Ill just need to get ahold of some priests and psykers. Would you recommend the HQ ones or Windrave? I have honestly NO experience with Psykers in general (Thanks to playing Tau in 3rd/4th) except for how much Nurgle Rot/Weapon Virus sucks before a charge.
>>47855993
Penis Inspection Day with dual Thunderstrike Gauntlets.
>>47864161
Also how viable would it be to do human wave with a backing of arty? I like the idea of throwing out a silly ammount of pie plates every turn while my (literal) redshirts march up field singing war hymms
>>47863642
Nob bikers back when Musical Wounds was a thing.
But that was more an insufferable rules oversight, similar to Fish of Fury. They've never had something like 3.5 CSM or 6ed Eldar where they're just more powerful and less expensive pointswise than anyone else
>>47863797
Preach, european brother. I always get a bit frustrated when people tell me "Run transports lol" or "just field these units that cost an arm and a leg". Nigga, I make a list and buy/convert, being as frugal as possible. I ain't fucking buying 3 of every box in the army to mix n match.
>>47864279
>Musical Wounds
Goff Rockas?
>>47862177
Exquisite.
>>47862832
Kor'lath. When the unit dies you get a thirster that loses D3 wounds a turn, otherwise just an AoK. It's great because you can stick it on a jump lord and then use dark apotheosis on the tithe to get a DP with Kor'lath as well as a first thirster. It's straight scummy stuff but it works.
>>47863809
Some of the FW stuff makes me want to use them, I could always use more big guns for my infantry without resorting to a vehicle. Batteries look cheaper and if it can benefit from orders that'd be amazing.
>>47864161
Primaris psykers are better in every way.
>>47864233
Yeah that's a good army to build but not all arty is worth it, basilisks are unfortunately not that good anymore.
>>47864717
Thats terribly unfortunate since they look amazing imo. Those long barrels get me giddy. Wyverns are cool and all but then wheres my anti armor pies?
Can 30k Knights be used in 40k? I ask because I'm imagining Tau feeling slightly less smug when faced with some of the more advanced Knights.
>>47864919
Does it have rules outside of 30k? If no then you can't without your opponent agreeing to let you, and if your objective is to kick him down a notch then why would he?
>>47864955
I was asking if said knight patterns made it into the modern 40k in-universe.
>>47864919
Most of them can. I think the only one that can't is the Styrix because its primary weapon is Volkite.
The 40k rules for FW knights are still on the website. They'll probably get printed whenever the new IA book finally comes out.
There are other restrictions for taking them, though, like you can't have more FW knights than you have normal IK in an IK detachment I believe. All the rules are available for free, so go check them out.
>>47864964
From a fluff standpoint you can go right ahead and Forge the Narrative, but if it doesn't actually have 40k rules then you can't use it in 40k without special dispensation, although with a few exceptions 30k is generally more balanced than 40k so most people that would decline you are just scared of the mysterious Forge World.and your expensive resin models.
>>47863964
>You ran multiple fliers, Pink Horrors, or a unit of Screamers?
>netlisting faggot
Oh wait, you're stupid enough to think a purely melee army without one of the above elements in support will do well.
>>47865005
>although with a few exceptions 30k is generally more balanced than 40k so most people that would decline you are just scared of the mysterious Forge World.and your expensive resin models.
To be honest I think the Cerastus Knight Acheron is probably one of those exceptions (although that's one of the knights allowed in 40k anyway).
>>47863809
They're really good; or at least they would be if I fought any vehicles. Too bad riptides aren't vehicles.
>>47864998
>>47865005
>>47865024
I could imagine maybe one Styrix being locked in a closet of some Knight House or forge world and won't be used when some noble feels like taking it on a Sunday drive. But from a narrative standpoint Styrix's don't belong in 40k because Volkite?
>>47863994
Cultists don't do anything well, are overpriced, and have shit leadership.
If Cultists were any good, blob spam IG would be one of the best armies in the game.
>>47864792
Forge world has earthshaker cannons and rules for them, it would be cheaper just to convert these out of the basilisk kits if you're good at it.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Heavy-Artillery-Carriage-with-Earth-Shaker-Cannon
>>47865030
Next thread
>>47865030
Mostly working links
>>47865030
>>47865021
Nice strawman.
He was talking about Flying circus, screamer star and other such very specific lists, not that a petulant manchild like you would actually bother to read someones post before insulting them.
>>47864514
If you had 8 bikers, each with a different load-out of wargear, then each one was allowed to take a single wound before any of them took their second wound
I've never played 40K but I'm wondering is there a quick reference for armies and what they excel in? IG sounds the most appealing because I dig magic (which I know they're lacking) and artillery.
>>47866354
Just read 1d4chan's Army Tactics pages, they all have a section titled "Why Play X Army" and it will say that sort of stuff
inb4 a bunch of shitposts like "play tau if you are gay"
