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(competitive discussion)
>Playing?
>Brewing?
>Favorite deck?
>Your local Meta?
>Next MTG Purchase?
The updated Modern Metagame is below.
The overall Modern Metagame.
Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml
The paper Modern Metagame.
Best deck.
Never forget.
Reposting here since last thread died
Can I get some advice for this U/W deck?
creatures
4x Geist of Saint Traft
4x Reflector Mage
3x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
3x Wall of Omens
2x Ephara, God of the Polis
1x Sun Titan
Instants/Sorceries
4x Rune Snag
4x Devouring Light
3x Mana Leak
2x Supreme Verdict
Other Spells
4x Detention Sphere
1x Gideon, Ally of Justice
2x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
Land
4x flooded strand
4x hallowed fountain
2x Moorland Haunt
4x Prairie Stream
5x Plains
4x Island
I know it's shit but I don't get to play enough modern to see just how shit it is so any and all suggested cuts/additions are welcome
>>47795087
So easy to fight, people bitched about it way too much.
>>47795163
True, it could fold real quick and real easy. But man was it fun to play.
If that faggot Streck hadn't cheated his draws and gotten tons of mathematically impossible T1 wins it'd probably still be around
Next ban will be either one of the following; become immense/mutagenic growth/ancient stirrings
Screen cap this
>>47795544
50$ on Ancient Stirrings, even if I would prefer it be Become Immense. Seriously, fuck Infect.
>>47795544
Mutagenic is shit mate. It's half a pump spell and doesn't even protect you from bolt.
>>47795706
It is shite but it's free delve and enables t2 kills easily
>>47795544
But thats not how you spell Mox Opal.
>>47795732
Mox opal is a very close one. Depends after kaladesh spoilers.
>Playing?
Last few events were UWR Nahiri and UGb Infect
>Brewing?
Not really.
>Favorite deck?
Used to be Affinity, but I'm enjoying Nahiri.
>Your local Meta?
Everything tier 1/2 listed here >>47795022
except RUG Scapeshift, Zoo, Kiki-Chord, Death and Taxes (wait, what?).
>Next MTG Purchase?
Foil EMA cards.
>>47795737
I have commenced chat trolling
>>47795879
your trolling is shit desu
>>47795544
Ancient Stirrings is very OP but the decks that use it are not degenerate. I wouldnt like anything to be banned desu I like the meta as it is right now
Wizards really wants Kaladesh (as a plane) to succeed and be popular, like Tarkir, so the set will be very powerful.
Affinity and Tron will get more tools and thus the following will happen before Summer 2017:
>Ancient Stirrings is banned.
>Mox Opal is banned.
Would you guys be able to help me out with planning a sideboard? Sideboarding is My biggest weakness, I'm never sure what the fuck to put in there. I'm building a BR Vampire deck and I like putting little restrictions on my builds so I'm only using cards from Innistrad sets. The idea is to basically use Falkenrath Gorger to let me play tricks with Madness discards and Indulgent Aristocrat to sac Lord of Lineage/Call the Bloodline tokens to pump the rest of my vampires. I'm pretty set on the deck itself, just not sure what I should put in the sideboard
4x Falkenrath Gorger
3x Indulgent Aristocrat
3x Insolent Neonate
4x Vampire Interloper
4x Stromkirk Captain
3x Rakish Heir
2x Bloodline Keeper
2x Olivia Voldaren
3x Brimstone Volley
3x Curse of Stalked Prey
2x Stensia Masquerade
3x Call the Bloodline
4x Vampiric Fury
7x Swamp
7x Mountain
4x Foreboding Ruins
2x Stensia Bloodhall
>>47796640
That's a sweet dream ban. But what should be unbanned?
>Playing?
Bogles without horizon canopy
>Brewing?
Moderately budget 8rack
>Fav. Deck?
Fuck storm is fun
>Meta?
Literally jund and Nahiri
>Purchase?
Horizon canopies or the rest of 8rack. Its only $80 without Lili
Also, rate my shitty bogles
I want to play coco. But dont know what to do.
>>47797311
Ponder and preordain
>>47797368
I'm diamonds just thinking about it
>>47797311
I'm the guy you responded to. They will not unban anything.
If they do, it will be Bloodbraid Elf and it will be their final unban.
>>47797347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16YmcQ3BiMw
>>47795014
MTG Modern General
>Playing?Mono U tron
not doing well, never really did though.
>Brewing?
a super duper exile deck.
UB exiled.
>Favorite deck?
a fan of WB knights,
>Your local Meta?
Jund, tron, eldrazi and infect.
>Next MTG Purchase?
a big ass box of foil lands from bfz.
Now about this exile deck, just brewing here, don't expect tier 1 or anything.
I've decided to go UB for ashiok.
Should I go for a tron variant and include newlamog.
I might splash white for obvious path to exile.
What is stuff that is modern viable to exile cards, or at the very least to toss them in the grave and exile later with ashiok?
>Playing?
Melira Coco
>Brewing?
Something like bant Coco?
>Favorite deck?
Melira before pod ban
>Your local Meta?
Lots of tron
>Next MTG Purchase?
The entire bant humans deck for stadard
So I pulled a foil one of these after winning a small local draft. Is it something I sell immediately or do I hold onto it?
Would a card like this help to balance modern? Would this make it so infect has less instant win matchups?
>>47797725
Sell, buy a play set of non foils and work on a legacy deck.
Why do you consider infect a problem? The deck can be interacted with. The main instant win matchup infect has is vs tron and no one has any sympathy for people who play that deck.
>>47797748
Infect didn't need a nerf. Git gud scrub.
>>47797748
Virt? Is that you? In any case, fuck off back to custom card general with your weak b8.
>>47797748
>(2)(G/W) : Sacrifice Melira's Blessing, prevent all combat damage dealt this turn
>not (2)(G/W), Sacrifice Melira's Blessing: Prevent all combat damage dealt this turn
/tg/ pls
>>47797819
I basically only play standard. I mostly just draft. I have no interest in playing modern or standard. I only joined this draft because there wasn't an alternative draft where I was. What can I realistically expect to get for this card? Should I sell it?
>>47797911
200 bucks cash from your LGS.
>>47798167
The game stores around here are rather shitty for trades. One will offer 70$ cash, the other 120. I'm not really willing to sell to them given the low numbers.
>>47798255
You can do it on ebay, but be sure to put it in a good container and to buy tracking on the package to avoid scams.
>Playing?
Titan shift
>Brewing?
Delirium
>Favorite deck?
...titan shift I guess?
>Your local Meta?
>tfw no lgs
>Next MTG Purchase?
Goyfs
>>47797569ihopeyougetsyphilis
>>47795544
>Implying banning become immense or mutagenic growth will impact infect decks in the slightest.
This is objectively the most fun card in all of magic. Will it be unbanned next?
>>47798504
No. It makes dredge stronger and they want to keep it just barely fringe playable
>>47795014
I always thought Blue was correlated with Mind and Intelligence so why does it have as much Horros, Zombies and creepy shit as Black?
>>47798572
It has less of each of those. The blue zombies are "skaberen," and are more like Frankenstein's monster type of things that are created through more scientific methods. Horrors are blue when they're associated with water or the mind.
>Brewing?
Mono-green stompy
Is Dismember really required in a mono-green stompy?
>Playing?
Jund, Grixis, and tomorrow, Finkel's Storm list that 5-0'd recently
>Brewing?
Tuning Jund to the meta of the next town over, no real brews happening
>Favorite deck?
Grixis, but it's just not strong enough. Jund does everything I wanted Grixis to do and more, so it's my favourite atm. Kind of boring, but it feels good to have the playstyle I was looking for fulfilled.
>Your local Meta?
Most people have a couple of decks, so if we comma-separate the individual players, it looks like -
Grixis / Jund (me), Burn / Affinity / Infect / Small Zoo, Affinity / Dredge, Abzan Coco, Kiki-Chord, RG Scapeshift, Grixis / UR Delver, Tron / Jund / Junk / Bogle
Overall it's pretty aggressive, creature-based. So Grixis is reasonably positioned, and when I get bored with Jund I'll probably switch back to it.
>Next MTG Purchase?
Hard to say. Not sure what I want to build atm.
>>47798583
Seems like Black horrors are more demonic while Blue ones are more eldritch like, which is appropriate considering eldritch horrors always affect the mind of people.
>>47798614
Dismember is really, really useful for taking out some serious threats with 1 mana.
>>47798634
That's also very true.
>>47798504
remand beats it
Need some help with rules clarification please:
I'm playing on xmage.
My opponent puts down Eidolon of the Great Revel and passes. My turn is up next and I draw Temporal Mastery and pay the Miracle cost of 2.
Why didn't Eidolon of the Great Revel deal damage to me for paying the Miracle cost?
Is this a bug with xmage or am I missing something?
>>47798987
Temporal Mastery's CMC is always 7, even if you pay its Miracle cost. Miracle just lets you pay for it differently.
>>47798999
Okay thanks.
>>47798987
The converted mana cost of a spell is always the value printed at the top of the card regardless of what you actually pay for of
>>47797367
4 coco
4 (best removal in your color)
Rest is value creatures that cost less than 4. Really that's it. Depending on your colors you can insert synergies, combos, etc. Always watch out that you don't have too many cards that don't get hit by coco.
Hey guys. Somebody was nice enough yesterday to give me advice on bw token deck. After reading up about the deck a little more it seems I can play a variety of playstyles.
Im prefer midrange over aggro so here's the deck I have in mind. Semi budget.
2 Spectral Procession
2 Secure the Wastes
4 Lingering Souls
2 Midnight Haunting
4 Raise the Alarm
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
1 Gideon Ally of Zendikar
4 Intangible Virtue
3 Promise of Bunrei
4 Path to Exile
2 Zealous Persecution
3 Thoughtsieze
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
s/b
1 Dismember
1 Murderous Cut
3 Dismember
2 Triplicate Spirits
2 Hero of Bladehold
3 Disenchant
3 Duress
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Leonin Arbiter
Im on the fence about ghostly quarter and arbiter. Any advice would be most welcome, criticism too.
>>47797725
hold for ~8 months. EMA will be a limited run and legacy players will be gaga over it forever.
Why are people saying Scapeshift is not interactive? (Talking about the vanilla temur version)
It's still a blue control deck. Majority of the deck is blue spells that draw cards and find answers. The sideboard often comes with more blue control or red removal.
I frequently win a lot of matches without the scapeshift combo for g2/3. It feels very similar (although weaker) to what twin used to do when they boarded out their combo completely (With scapeshift it feels more like you're forced to, slaughter games etc). T1 S4T into a t3 Thrun, start the beatdown with negates and cryptics on hand.
How is this not interactive?
>>47799301
Putting counterspells in a combo like Scapeshift is not interactive.
I could argue it's less interactive because you don't even want spells to resolve
Counterspell is just as interactive as bolt to the face
>>47799433
>Removal and counterspells
>Interacts with literally everything an opponent can do
>Not interactive
Friendo...
>>47797347
>Open the Armory
>Literally a raw tutor
>Standard legal, sees no play
When is Wizards going to just outright admit that Equipment is shit and SFM should be unbanned?
>>47799522
because they stop being shit the literal moment SFM gets unbanned
no joke this is really dangerous territory
>>47795098
Instead of devouring light run 4 path to exile
I see a crucial lack both of Dragonlord Ojutai and of Cryptic Command
Ephara is completely useless, as Gideon, AoJ.
You lack Colonnades, Snapcaster Mages and Vendillion Cliques
>>47799540
Oh wow, you can spend 2 turns and 2 cards to cheat a shitty 5 drop that sees literally zero play? Such value.
>>47799585
A-anon you don't understand (ι´Д｀)ﾉ
It's not "2 cards", it's a 1/2 body that tutors you any equipment and puts it into play at instant speed. The amount of shit you can do with this is insane, it allows you to have a bunch of hardcounter 1ofs (tutor sword of fire and ice against UR delver?) and very much forces you to remove it before it gets to untap
pathing a 1/2 body in a deck full of other relevant creatures JUST to allow you to have a chance at counterspelling the equipment that's now in hand. You might as well ask for a JTMS unban because "all he does is draw you a bunch of cards, wow such value"
>>47796950
>force yourself to play a noncompetitive fundeck
>don't even play good cards
>>47799585
Even by /tg/ standards, this is the ramblings of a Anon that's shit at magic
>>47799504
You're technically the one interacting with them. The only way to interact with Shift is to counter it. countering a counter is a form of interaction but really you could argue that you pack Remands in order to prevent interaction from occuring, even if that in itself is a form of interaction
>>47797725
Same except i got a foil karakas. Do i sell, trade, or sit?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-06-16-gravestorm/
Give it a whirl lads. Chording for Grim Haruspex is legit as fuck.
>>47801278
Why return to the ranks over rally the ancestors?
>>47801394
Doesn't cost mana. You can do some pretty nutty plays with it. Not to mention that it's just good synergy to be playing small guys with a spell that lets you tap guys to cast it.
>>47800708
Mail it to me, I'll sell it for you
>>47800708
for some reason the modern border on karakas just makes it look terrible to me.
>>47801278
Something that comes to mind almost instantly is Birds and Hierarch. 1 mana dorks seem relevant. While you have Convoke on RttR is nice, having more colored mana is good. The other thing that comes to mind is a discard outlet. Being able to dump a bunch of shitty minions into the graveyard to then RttR and combo off seems like it could be good. Maybe like a couple of Thoughtseizes to have some sort of interaction...
>>47801627
I considered all of your points a while back when brewing this deck.
>Mana dorks
The problem with Birds and Hierarch is that they can't attack very well on top of not dying very well. Comboing off isn't all the deck can do; it can swing for damage too. Not to mention my curve is super low anyway.
>The other thing that comes to mind is a discard outlet
As in my earlier point, the deck doesn't revolve around comboing off with Return. Not to mention that if you have 5 guys on the board and 10 in the yard, you can't bring them all back anyway. Small Returns can do enough damage to kill.
>Thoughtseize
Just dilutes the grind. And it's a fucking awful topdeck. My sideboard will most likely have Tidehollow Sculler/Sin Collector in. The interaction is all combat. Blood Artist RUINS combat maths.
Been meaning to get into modern for a while now and thinking bout building affinity, unfortunately too poor to afford all the hella expensive cards, how would y'all go about buying all the expensive stuff? Any suggestions as to priority order?
>>47801699
Your problem is that Mox Opal and Ravager are the cards that make the deck, besides Cranial Plating.
>>47801699
Buy the big pieces as soon as you can. Get the rest when you have all the big pieces.
Overseer > Opal > Ravager > Inkmoth > Glimmervoid > Etherium > Blinkmoth > Champion > the rest
>>47801724
I've already got the plantings, I know it'll be shitty till I get them but what order should I go about buying them
>>47801769
Ravagers first. Opals can't directly kill your opponent.
>>47801766
Overseer is actually pretty bad in the current meta, ensoul is a better replacement especially w/ darksteel
>>47798987
>Is this a bug with xmage
This makes me wonder how many of the "bugs" with Magic Online and other clients are actual bugs and not just the players not knowing how things work.
>>47799050
This is a little different with {x} spells as their cmc usually differs while on the stack.
>Nahiri already on the downwards slope
Who REAL control here?
where do i get decent proxies?
what happened to mr huang?
>>47802574
>all your cards are either extremely strong or pitifully weak depending on the matchup and the board state, such as Ancestral Vision, Mana Leak and Terminate
>if your answers don't perfectly align with their spells, you will most likely lose
No thanks
>>47802574
Run Counterbalance. BE the meme. Knowing what card is coming also lets you get extra value from fetchlands.
>>47797440
>cascade into k-command/goyf/liliana
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuh, fuck no
>>47803020
Which is why I said there won't be unbans, but BBE is the most likely of the list.
To be fair, Modern has tons of powerful shit already. BBE really isn't that bad.
>>47803573
Unban Tree of Tales and Ancient Den.
>>47803608
Yes. I would love my artifact hate to have even juicier targets
>>47801278
>not a bitter ordeal deck
You faggot edgelord.
>>47803613
>Haha, he's running Mutavault, this means I can spend my removal on his lands too!
Yes senpai turn my land draws into live draws.
>>47803573
Yeah and they should unban hypergenesis too. It'll be a brewer's paradise. :^)
>>47803677
Hypergenesis is pretty overrated. I bet a year ago you'd be talking about how Grave Troll would lead to Modern becoming a degenerate combo format.
>>47803643
Haha shattering Spree is even better. And no coming back of they get a shatterstorm off
>>47803919
Do you understand why I specifically said Tree of Tales and Ancient Den?
>>47803938
So affinity can run ancient stirrings and dispatch obviously
>>47804013
Threat density.
>>47804019
Retard
>>47804103
Threat density is the exact reason Affinity doesn't usually run Thoughtcast.
>>47804187
But they do. Look at lists
>>47804230
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12485&d=271919&f=MO
Okay I'm looking at them now what?
>>47804244
That's one list. Thoughtcast is played. There is no refuting that
>>47801699
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-84-6-tix-modern-uw-tempered-steel
Is the B/W Eldrazi build for Death and Taxes the reason the deck's managed to bump up into Tier 2?
>>47804329
I never refuted it in the first place.
>>47804348
Yes. Seer and Displacer are bretty gud.
>>47797311
>That's a sweet dream ban. But what should be unbanned?
they should announce they're unbanning Portent in Modern, just to see how confused people get
>>47797911
>only play Standard
>pull a Legacy staple that is not legal in Modern
why on earth would you choose the MODERN thread to ask this question?
>>47797911
>I basically only play standard.
>I have no interest in standard
You poor soul
I keep getting rekt by merfolk. Need a new deck. Help me /tg/, the more memes the better
>>47804519
Portent isn't banned.
>>47804708
Elves wreck folk
>>47804788
>>47804708
Use beck, it's the memeiest version of elves
>>47804893
>Chord of Calling for 6
>Get Primeval Titan
>Grab Nykthos + Forbidden Orchard
WE MEMES NOW
>>47799433
Ad nauseam must be interactive because they play pacts of negation and fogs.
>>47804348
Bant Eldrazi also contributed. That deck is really fucking strong.
>>47805316
Nice reading comprehension buddy
>>47805411
Oh do tell more. How did Bant eldrazi help propel DnT to tier 2 status?
>>47805449
I know what you said, just reiterating your point.
>>47805490
Not him but sorry. Too defensive
>>47805475
Oh I thought you meant just "Eldrazi".
My mistake. My point still stands, the deck is powerful.
So i pulled foil jtms do i trade it for goyfs or just keep it?
>>47806632
Yes, do it if you need the goyfs. Literally the only reason to keep it is if you are insane enough to foil out your commander deck, your legacy miracles deck, or hording it like a speculatorfag.
>>47807145
>Mind Sculptor
>EDH
HAHAHA THIS FAGGOT
>>47807258
>the "mindsculptor isn't good in EDH" meme again
This is what poorfags who can only afford EDH mimic to justify their inability to afford mindsculptor
>playing hearthstone
>get to legend (top .5%)
>boing as shit game gets stale
>go to magic
>way more complex
>holy shit this is fun
so how do I jump into understanding the meta?
hearthstone has manacrystals.com
there a website or YouTube series I can use?
>>47809150
StarCityGames.com
ChannelFireball.com
mtggoldfish.com
>>47809179
thanks man
>>47809150
There's also mtgtop8.com which shows you the top placing decks for large events (and MTG online daily events but thoseven usually don't mean shit)
>>47809028
>who can only afford EDH
Shit isn't cheap. You've no idea what you're talking about
>>47809458
Because those poorfags in the EDH threads bitching about "tryhard spikes w/ $500 edh decks so ridiculous omg" are the exception rather than the rule
>>47809150
>top .5% of hearthstone players
That doesn't mean much considering your competition...
>>47809150
Modern nexus. They also have a monthly metagame summary.
>>47809689
another reason why I quit
most people who are good at hearthstone just netdeck a 20$ deck and get to rank 5
it's a brain dead easy game with a 20$ pay wall to being the best
it's full of kids and people that are full of themselves
I started magic because every one at the card shop seems pretty cool and it's nice to get out of the house
seems like a much better community than the circle jerk that is hearthstone
>>47803700
It is overrated, but you're still a retard for underestimating it.
>>47795764
this is why I'm hoping all the artifacts in kaladesh will be like the Origins ones, with things like a 2/3 dude that gives a thopter, or "sac an artifact, do a thing", or whatnot. i think hangarback walker is good, but not "too" good. Toys like hangarback would be ok.
I think the real problem with affinity is that it just works together too well.
>>47809896
Hangarback is great for grindy decks. It never had a place in affinity though.
They were on the right track with that card
>have job running casual FNM for local entertainment chain store
>boss calls me 2 days ago and tells me we're getting sanctioned and they got a laptop and a WiFi hotspot for me to report events
>tell everyone I know
>make plans to advertise and try to pull a larger crowd than ever
>hear on news today that the chain filed bankruptcy and all locations are closing in 30 days
>
WHAT DECK CAN I BUILD TO COMMUNICATE DESPAIR
>>47810268
Tron
>>47796640
Detecting trace levels of salt from this post.
> Expecting another ban ishygddt.
>>47798987
>Is this a bug with xmage or am I missing something
Well, you see, magic is a very simple game, in which things are always simply defined. Eidolon cares about the converted mana cost of a card. The converted mana cost of the card you're casting is 7. It's not a bug; you just can't into reading comprehension.
>>47811142
>you just can't into reading comprehension.
This shit was solved ages ago you fucking moron. Try reading the replies before you get your shitty comment in.
>>47811142
Are you the guy that comes into FNM wearing a trenchcoat and fedora? Because this post makes you seem like that guy. Bet you smell like shit too.
>>47801699
Make more money
Don't be a poorfag
>>47811492
This. I only make 20 an hour and I buy cards quite often
>>47811548
>only make 20 an hour
I only make around 13 an hour, and I still buy cards.
>>47811655
Prove it. Whatchu building
How much is Nahiri worth now?
>>47799711
There has never been an equipment worth a shit in Modern, especially given how much artifact hate is built into the format.
Additionally, JtMS is probably one of the safest unbans on the list. He dies to literally any favorable board state and most direct damage. And brainstorming does precisely fuckall for "control" decks in modern. Painful Truths and Vision draw you tons of cards with less investment than Jace, and see basically zero play.
People don't seem to understand why JtMS is good in Legacy, it's kinda baffling that people thing hand sculpting in Modern matters when Infect, Burn, and Zoo are T1 decks.
>>47812137
Are you serious? Do you know how the Internet works?
>>47812328
What?
>>47812793
Look on any site and you'll see
>>47812818
Haha I'm so confused lol
>>47812916
Ebin
>>47812034
Angel Tron
>>47812818
Obviously OP can't get to any site except 4chan.
>>47812323
>JtMS is probably one of the safest unbans on the list
>the reasons
I actually can't believe someone was typing this unironically.
Anon you're so fucking bad at magic it's painful.
>Modern legal Demonic Tutor
>doesnt see play
Why?
>>47814307
Because the only deck that would even want to play that plays an instant speed version with flashback instead.
>>47814307
Because there's better type specific tutors available that are either cheaper or at instant speed.
>>47814307
Because it's four mana
>>47810268
Lantern Control
>>47795014
How expensive is infect now? I was building it casually since it seemed fun and relatively cheap, barring lands and hierarchs. And now there is a big fuss about it or something?
>>47814487
It's a tier 1 deck
Lands
Heirarchs
and Might of Old Krosa
>>47814487
It steals wins but be ready to get your deck hated out in your local meta. Folds to removal unless you have protection. Even if you play around it, they'll main phase their removal so you don't get much value off vines. Spellskite is everywhere too.
Unban please
>>47814579
Literally never going to happen
>>47796640
This will happen.
It will be like Return to Ravnica pushing Golgari with Deathrite Shaman and Abrupt Decay. Or Battle for Zendikar pushing Tron with Ulamog, really.
It's a known phenomenon and we should all expect Kaladesh to buff Affinity and/or Tron.
>>47813903
Explain it then. Justify Jace being banned when there are literally no control decks in Modern.
>>47814499
>>47814543
Shit - I've been playing it on extreme budget, because it functions pretty well stripped down. Its just the lands reduce the chance of mana screw, and the hierarch give that extra boost to end it. It sucks that the prices are gonna get fucked and everyone hates on it.
>Playing?
UR Delver because I hate both myself and my opponent
>Brewing?
nothing
>Favorite deck?Twin
>Your local Meta?
lots of aggro and midrange with one tron player
>Next MTG Purchase?
Ulamogs and Chandras for standard
>>47814610
I've played it for a year and it's really good if your meta doesn't consist of bolt terminate path decks. Tron ad nauseam whatever combo decks should be favorable to you. T2-3 kills feel great.
>>47814579
Not going to happen. Agro is already way overrepresented on the field as is.
>>47814609
You are playing burn, I have too much health to die to your number of cards next turn and I'm playing Jace, I +0 and you bolt him so he doesn't snowball you out of the game. Do you think you have won that trade?
And what makes you think Jace is limited to pure control decks? Is Liliana limited to 8rack?
>>47814870
Bolt them in the face since he tapped out? Bolting Jace doesn't seem bad either.
A 4 mana two-for-one isn't even outrageous for blue, they could just as easily play cryptic command and counter+draw. Searing Blaze, Kcommand, even Lilly can all essentially 2for1.
Nahiri has pretty much the same + and - as Jace but with no option of brainstorm, but an extremely potent ultimate, and she's strong but not broken. I honestly don't think Jace would break modern. Value has never been control's problem, it's a tempo issue and Jace isn't a great tempo play (Nahiri on the other hand is a tempo bomb with not much value unless you can get a good -2)
>>47814870
Wow I traded 1 Bolt to get rid of a 4 mana Planeswalker that essentially cantripped. What a loss I sustained.
This is even assuming I bother Bolting Jace, if it's t4, you've tapped out, and I can't win the game in the next few spells I was going to lose regardless of what you play.
Miracles and Shardless arent decks in Modern, there's no durdle control deck that want's to sculpt a hand, and midrange doesn't want anything to do with Blue.
>>47801593
oh I thought I was alone in this world
thoughts? I already have most of the cards, and my shop is pretty casual
2x Catalog
3x Clash of Wills
3x Engulf the Shore
3x Fleeting Distraction
4x Peek
4x Press for Answers
4x Serum Visions
2x Aberrant Researcher Flip
3x Forgotten Creation
4x Thing in the Ice Flip
4x Highland Lake
12x Island
4x Wandering Fumarole
4x Fevered Visions
4x Sphinx's Tutelage
1x Clash of Wills
4x Icefall Regent
4x Negate
4x Send to Sleep
2x Void Shatter
>>47814870
>bolting a Jace past turn 4
>bolting a Jace turn 4 when you are at a safe life total
I must say at this point the burn player probably has lost regardless even if the Jace player's hand is just 4 storm crows.
>And what makes you think Jace is limited to pure control decks?
I mean obviously most decks heavy into blue will play it but those are usually control decks. Blue Moon, Grixis or Jeskai etc
Not many decks besides blue and control want a 4 mana walker. Are you afraid Infect or Merfolk is gonna go heavy on the Jace plan? Fucking cmon bruh
>>47814870
>You are playing burn, I have too much health to die to your number of cards next turn and I'm playing Huntmaster, I gain 2 life and get a 2/2 Doggo and you bolt him so he doesn't fucking rape you over the next 2 turns, leaving behind a Doggo token. Do you think you have won that trade?
>You are playing burn, I have too much health to die to your number of cards next turn and I'm playing Kalitas, I sit back laughing as you literally cannot win the game without consecutive Skullcracks and your board is essentially blanked. Do you still think JtMS is overpowered?
>>47816079
the sideboard starts at the 1x clash of wills
my bad
Speaking of dredge, why is the troll played over golgari thug? Is 2 dredge really worth it? I can't really imagine hardcasting golgari troll (you will be dead long before it), while hardcasting thug seems more than possible (not to mention he can return some hate-creatures from the grave).
>>47816091
>You are playing Burn. You announce the wrong bolt target and kill yourself.
>You summoning pact for Titan but forget your deck doesn't play green. You untap to a loss.
Yeah when you put it into that perspective I don't see why Jace ever got banned to begin with.
>>47816330
And now the people who hate Blue are just shitposting.
>>47809150
Leave while you can, abandon all hope ye who enters. Magic is the bimbo gf that sucks all our money and never gives head
Found this, as I was curious how much they would sell for these days.
>>47817087
Would it even be possible to remove the art without damaging the card?
>>47817374
The pony is covering up damage, dont be retarded,
>>47817569
I'd honestly rather have the damage be visible
>>47817665
We all would anon, that card went from a 3k damaged lotus to a 5 cent coloring book page.
Mostly playcasualsemi-modern/standard with bunch of mates, so what should I change up/remove from this deck to make it 60 cards, or should I run >60?
Theme is U/R Gobbo's and Wizards, with a bit of random jank in there for fun.
Creatures:
4x Guttersnipe
4x Goblin Electromancer
4x Stormchaser Mage
2x Krenko, Mob Boss
2x Goblin Dark-Dwellers
2x Melek, Izzet Paragon
Planeswalkers:
2x Ral Zarek
Artifacts:
1x Pyromancer's Goggles
Spells:
2x Increasing Vengeance
2x Cyclonic Rift
4x Goblin Grenade
4x Lightning Strike
4x Hidden Strings
2x Banefire
2x Fall of the Titans
2x Fiery Gambit
4x Izzet Charm
2x Dissolve
2x Mindswipe
2x Counterflux
2x Stitch in Time
1x Epic Experiment
2x Essence Backlash
I'm already thinking of cutting Epic experiment, and sideboarding afew of the counters, but I don't know what else to cut.inb4 "your deck a shit" "change whole deck lol"
>>47817912
>inb4 "your deck a shit" "change whole deck lol"
This is the best advice if you want to play modern though. If you just want to play casual with friends then the only advice you can get is "have fun".
>>47817912
Never go over 60.
>>47817912
If you play casual then why does it matter what you have in it
>>47815092
The difference is if you don't trade two for 1 with jace immediately you lose the game.
Would a card like this help to make myrs a competitive deck?
>>47820293
Lmao t1 champions, t2 battle spheres. Gtfo.
Could Myr work in a U/W Tron shell? Or may as well play regular tron at that point? Only good Myr I can think of would be galvanizer, battlesphere, maybe hover myr for evasion, enforcers for cheap or free, and then a myr turbine to shit out tokens and for use as a tutor. I like how arcbound crusher works with them too
Would it be possible to balance a card that says "draw your entire library?"
>>47820293
Fuck off.
>>47821090
Why are you custom card guys so fucking autistic?
Just go away
>>47821090
Can you please fuck off
>>47819840
I love this meme. JtMS is good but not that good. Ive had games where my opponent put down Jace, I didnt answer him and I won the game next turn.
>>47821090
Ad nauseam/Necropotence/Grisselbrand if you pay life
>>47821944
What about one that costs either 5 or 6 mana but doesn't have the unlimited hand size or put a card back on top of your library effect?
>>47809832
True, except the pay wall for pro magic is hundreds of dollars, even for standard.
>>47822699
It's only money. You can always make more.
What happened to that Nivmagus Elemental deck with all the Pacts and Phyrexian spells?
what impact do you guys think unbanning Jace, the Mind Sculptor would have in Modern?
>>47814579
would you also like Skullclamp with that?
>>47822911
Its called shotgun senpai, its on the metalist on the top of the thread
>>47822911
It's really shit
>>47822699
see but I have that kind of money
and that big of a pay wall drives out the little kids
it's mostly adults with jobs and then some NEETS
and like a few kids
hearthstone is like
6-17 year olds only
>>47823502
You're not wrong, the HS pro scene used to be only adults but teams are signing 15 year olds to play on an international pro level
I'm looking into picking up the parts for 8rack.
Convince me on it or against it.
Alternatively, just post slutty Lili.
>>47823572
I just sold it because it gets old fast. It's also stressful. You die to top decks you can't avoid and every turn you feel like you're behind.
It is fun to play with Lili and hit for 9+ with multiple racks but the deck overall is a waste of money
>>47821090
if you make it cost more than 5 it's unplayable.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/this-is-the-new-twin-i-swear/
My lgs has a casual modern scene, so I get to put together Rogue and win. What do you think about this one?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/this-is-the-new-twin-i-swear/
>>47823657
See, that sounds appealing to me.
I like the game of chance that magic can devolve into sometimes.
And like I said, I want it as a sidedeck (and an excuse to buy Bob and Lili) I already own burn and tron and just wanted something very different.
Do you have a list I could look at?
>>47821090
>>47820293
Fuck off.
>>47823707
Needs waaaaaaay too much mana to execute.
thoughts on my deck for casual modern?
its super budget, like 80$
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-06-16-mill-in-the-ice/
>>47822378
Ad Nauseam, but it costs life.
You do realize that "draw your library" means "win the game", right?
A deck can cram simians, lightning storm and pact of negation and win instantly.
Ad Naus is a modern deck that does just that. Legacy Omnitell can jam Enter the Infinite for the exact idea you're thinking.
Costing less than Enter would not be balanced in any format but Standard.
At 6 mana Ad Naus would forgo angel's grace/phyrexian unlife and run interaction, and it would be banned.
>>47823707
if its a not competitive environment then I dont see why not. the deck seems fun. if you want value add fetches, shocks, cryptics and snapcasters.
>>47819840
Yeah, when your opponent Brainstorms multiple times, he has so many chances to dig for a Terminus/Counterbalance to lock you out, Mentor to kill you, or support to stall and defend-oh wait no this isn't Legacy all you can do in Blue is Bolt-Snap-Bolt.
People who live in awe of JtMS ironically have the least understanding of why he's considered a good card. They sound like that bit of Wizards coverage with Marshall Sutcliffe sperging out out over Force of Will.
>>47823858
The combo needs 3 bro, it taps out in the early game to aggressively play its win condition and counterspell and wins in the mid game, much like all control decks in modern
>>47823878
Thanks for the advice, I think it needs the fetches, but I think it taps out too much to aggressively play its win con in the early game so I think cryptics are not needed
>>47795022
I just realized that if you take all of the Midrange shells in Modern (Jund/Junk/Grixis), you have the exact same metagame percentage that Splinter Twin's flavors had combined.
>In the interest of competitive diversity, Liliana of the Veil is banned. Players looking to replace her can look forward to the newest printing of Liliana in Eldritch Moon!
>>47823886
Dude it's bad, get over it
>>47823886
So you are playing both mind crank and guild mage turn 2? And then turn 3 having the mana to activate both guild mage abilities? /s
>>47823912
The Cryptics are so you don't die while you're digging for the combo.
Consider playing Grixis so you can shore up your removal, apply some actual pressure, and round out your landbase with something like Loothouse. Bolt, Electrolyze, and Loothouse really do a lot to keep you alive and threatening.
>>47824000
Its not supposed to be good smart stuff
>>47824095
Git güd.
>>47824012
The combo needs 3 mana and you only need to activate 1 ability, you don't understand the combo
>>47824111
Which can't happen turn 3.
>>47824134
Never claimed it did
>>47824014
Thanks for the advice, but its only for a casual modern crowd so Ill go with the Dimir version. You have convinced me to throw my cryptics in there though
>>47823861
what do the aberrant researchers add to the deck?
>>47823716
Look at the primer in mtgsalvation
It doesn't run bob.
Don't run small pox
I'd do a list but I'm at work
>>47824276
I don't know, just added them because I like them and dint know what else too put.
I don't want to rely on only one win condition too much, for fear of becoming gimmicky or easily counted.
>>47824095
Then get the fuck out of this competitive thread
>>47824319
Ok maybe it is competitive, because I say so
Don't get mad because I shared a deck
>>47824350
Don't come into a modern format thread and post casual decks. You can make threads for that
Why can't wotc ban tarmogoyf for the same reason of Nacatl's banning? (Nacatl used to be banned). Is it the price tag? I fucking doubt it. If they don't gain money off 2nd market then it should be no problem getting rid of it.
>Inb4 dies to removal
Yeah whatever. Baneslayer died to removal too
>>47824434
Well you can't use Nacatl's being banned as justification for banning Tarmogoyf since Nacatl is no longer banned.
Why do you think it ought to be banned?
>>47824420
>making a new thread for one deck
end your life autist
its a thread to talk about the MODERN format
not what you decide and dont decide should be in it.
just cause you are mad cause you are running low on your tendies, doesn't mean the world is going to cater to you
>>>/out/
>>47824434
because you can interact with goyf. you crack fetches, kill things, exile cards in graveyards and that changes its power and toughness and that makes for a more interesting game. its a fun card but I do think it should've been BG instead of 1G at least.
>>47824420
It's a format anon, not a level of play.
/esports/ is that way ------>
>>47824319
>MTG Modern General
I don't see the words "competitive"
You must be confused my friend, this is what we call a "General" where discussion of the entire format can be had.
stop trying to dictate what other people post faggot.
>>47824420
Oh no I disagreed to the recommendation you made so I have to leave thread
Maybe it has the ability to be a competitive deck but we wouldn't know because you would rather whine about me posting it
>>47824434
>Why can't wotc ban tarmogoyf
>Nacatl's banning
>Baneslayer mattered
whatyearisit.jpg
>>47824434
because it makes wotc money
>>47824475
It's called making a new thread for casual players.
Your deck is shit and you're mad as fuck. It's okay. Things get better
>>47824466
Because I feel dirty playing it. Everytime I cast it it feels like I'm slapping my opponent with a 200$ bill printed on cardboard.
The reason for Nacatl banning was they thought it would be too powerful and didn't want every green based deck to run 4x of it.
>>47824505
>>47824490
>>47824475
Way to take his bait /tg/
>>47824529
Not even me smart guy
I'm not even playing it casually, and I only see one mad guy in this thread
>>47824529
wasn't my deck faggot, autists just piss me off.
spergs like you ruin threads and are destroying the game
you are the reason hearthstone is more popular, people like you
>>47824420
>Modern is a constructed format that allows expansion sets and core sets from Eighth Edition forward, save for the Modern ban list.
why does every deck discussed in here has to be tier one? literally almost everyone posts the same netdecked lists over and over again. its boring as fuck. if you restrict discussion to the same 10 decks then there is no place for new ideas to start. people like you are fucking autists.
>>47824552
because if you ignore the retards they think its ok and keep coming back look at >>>/v/
that shit is facebook now
>>47824544
You feel dirty for beating them in with goyfs? It's just an efficiently costed beater -- and positioned well mostly because of fetchlands and the Lilianas that usually tag along. They're also nowhere near $200 each anymore; you can find them at $110 if you're looking for deals, nowadays. That price tag is pretty close to Liliana, anyhow.
As for every green-based deck running 4x of the card, I don't think that's a particularly valid complaint -- not by itself, anyway. Every red-based deck will be running Lightning Bolts; should we ban those?
>>47824597
>Why is this allowed
>Toddposting
>Reursive "delete this" threads
What you don't like entire threads dedicated to trolling people who are baiting bait?
>>47824667
200Canadian Dollars
I don't know dude. It just feels disgusting swinging in with that creature.
>>47795022
>tfw I always wanted to play control in modern
>tfw control was shit for the longest time so I decided to invest in other decks instead
>tfw control now is tier one and looks super fun to play but you don't have any of the cards for it and it costs like $1000
fug
>>47824727
You could do worse. You could be slamming down turn 3 Karns.
>>47824584
Modern is a competitive format.
If you want to play bad decks, why on earth do you care about the restrictions of the format? Just play kitchen table casual like everyone else, and use whatever cards you find fun.
>>47824827
Modern are the rules of deck construction. If a group of people want to play under those rules but not spend hundreds in tier one decks so be it. And what if its competitive anyways? Some people rather play with a deck they built and win once every ten games rather than win every game with a netdecked pile.
Thanks for the laughs you spergs
>>47824760
Control in modern blows senpai. Save up a couple more grand and play legacy.
>>47824924
do you think they would ever ban miracles? thats something id love playing with
Hey guys I'm running a deck with 100 shadowborn apostles! Pls rate and give advice!
I love modern but I'm not a loser who's going to spend all my money on cards lmao!
Do you think that with the Kaladesh set we will finally have a way to build a decent Midrange Artifacts deck ?
Right now, you can only go full aggro (Afinity), full control (Lantern) or full autist (Eggs) with artifacts in Modern. Do you think that the introduction of a bunch of artifact synergy based cards will maybe finally allow Artifact Midrange to be a thing in competitive play ?
>>47824966
They don't give a shit about legacy.
>>47825001
hey guys I'm a sperg who acts like a child because people don't want to net deck or spend 3000$ on fucking cardboard
kill yourself faggot
don't you have anything else to do than get this triggerd?
look at your life,
this is what you chose to spend your time doing?
"I-I'm not that fat, I can still get a girl, but fuck it one more drumstick can't hurt"
end it
>>47825050
>2016
>being this butt blasted
Dude, no need to project so hard. Someone may love you one day
>>47825001
what else are you running with it? you'll need some removal and hand disruption because modern is a fast format (turn 4 kill) and you'll need to stop your opponent until you get your plan going. I'd suggest putting Griselbrand in as its the most powerful demon there is and Runescarred Demon as it lets you tutor for things like Whip of Erebos to reanimate any demons they might have gotten rid of.
>>47825041
and no one should. everything about the dual lands is retarded.
>objectively better than basic lands
>costs hundreds
>wont even reprint them
>>47814307
Because cards like this exist if you ever want to tutor something.
>>47825147
Then run shocks. It won't be the best but you get to play at least
>>47825012
I very much doubt that WOTC will ever print a format warping artifact card after what happend with Mirrodin.
That said, we could have some good artifact synergy spells a la Galvanic Blast which could be nice. I wouldn't hope for much more tho.
Save money for modern jund or legacy shardless bug?
>>47825519
Is there a legacy scene near you? After you answer that, the answer for your question is obvious.
>>47825147
If you spend hundreds of actual real dollars on actual real Duals you are a complete retard. Bonus stupid points if you buy them at a discount on Ebay in "NM condition."
>>47824966
Literally every time there's a major Legacy event people bitch and moan about Miracles for like a week before fading back into irrelevance.
Bonus points for the Storm players who "Hate losing the game on turn 2 to Counterbalance," and the Delver/Eldrazi players who "Hate losing their flooded board to Terminus into Mentor."
Idiots who play Legacy are worse than the idiots in Modern, they genuinely have zero shame.
Hey guys, currently playing monogreen infect with lifelink.
This shit is fucking stupid, but it fucking works really well for FNM or Xmage. The idea of infect is infecting, the idea of lifelink is to gain life.
The idea of my deck is to do one thing OR the other depending on your hand. It is designed so you have to mulligan once or twice in every match. You have to have a one drop in your opening hand, if not, mulligan, if not again, either stick with it and scry or well, mulligan again. It is designed for budget FNM, in my meta, (usually merfolks, or jund) works.
It is too stupid?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budginfect/
Fuck you, modern. As a format. I want to be able to use thoughtseize without paying out the ass
>>47825914
I'm using this as a placeholder until I get my hand on actual Thoughtseizes. Works good enought.
>>47825914
Thoughtseize is one of the cheapest non-bulk cards in Jund, and it's like a 2-of at most.
In what competitive decks can I use my playset of Aether Vials ?
So far I have Merfolk, I know there is also Taxes and Hatebears. Any other decks ?
>>47825872
>It is designed so you have to mulligan once or twice in every match
>is it stupid
Incredibly
I would like to build a modern deck for less than $200
What should I make
>>47826972
Zombie hunt
>>47826972
mono red burn
>>47826972
UR delver prowess
>>47827037
fuck you
>>47795014
First time seeing Emrakul.
That's the biggest load of overpowered shit I've ever seen. Fuck that card so much.
>>47827298
It's 15 mana. Go away
>>47827298
So overpowered that only 2 competitive decks play it, one being frindge at the very best.
>>47824915
Just because someone threw together a pile of cards they own doesnt mean we should all just fawn all over it. Its obviously a badly built deck for constructed. Brews are fine, bad decks arent.
>>47825914
thoughtseize is the cheapest it's been in a while now, and inquisition is finally creeping down from the winter spike
Unless you're playing 8rack you only want 2 or 3 thoughtseize, and it's totally worth it
>>47827298
just wait til you see cranial plating
>>47826803
Bant spell loop with eternal witness and cryptic command. Remands, paths scooze and snaps
>>47827132
Landbase becomes kinda shit on a budget. None of the budget dual lands synergize as well as Tarn+Vents+Sulfur Falls
>>47827434
>>47827424
It obviously can't be jammed in any deck and succeed. Doesn't stop it from being degenerate.
It could cost 30 mana, makes no difference, and would be actually be better.
>>47827832
Anon please explain why emy would be better at 30 mana?
>>47827887
it would keep all degenerate cases of through the breach nahiri etc but it would generally remove all "fair" casting cases in tron etc
so it wouldn't be "better" but we'd just see any amount less of it.
>>47828162
It would be better though. Cmc is often a variable to be taken into consideration.
>>47828162
Oh so cheating into play is okay bit God forbid it be paid for
>>47825872
why would you make this
>>47828162
That is literally all that it sees play in anyways.
>>47827144
IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO
Which tier 1 Deck is the most fun, or in other words, one which whenever you win you feel like you achieved something, while each match feels (mostly) different.
>>47826972
goblin dark dwellers - stone rain
>>47825713
>Bonus stupid points if you buy them at a discount on Ebay in "NM condition."
Just use a loupe and make sure they're real after you get them. They're not? No problem, it's called a chargeback.
>>47831736
The odds of you actually detecting a 2016 Revised fake without training in grading and detecting is essentially zero. The current (as of 2-3 months ago) are so good its actually absurd.
The only way to actually detect them is to factor in consistency of printing with modern methods vs Revised-era methods.
>>47832000
Not true at all, it's quite obvious with a loupe. Also the corners still aren't quite right on them.
>tfw void snare is sorcery
True suffering
>>47828162
You should see Emmy-chan in Legacy. Or in modern eggs before it got banned.
Emrakul actually used to suck ass in modern when Twin was around and the most played deck. I have summoning trapped into Emrakul before but chose a tribe elder instead because it was more likely to make me not lose the game. Many many games have been lost still after untapping with Emmy not just to twin, bw tokens etc but even garbage gimmick decks like monoW enchantments can just not give a shit about your Emrakul. Rule of thumb in modern is; if you're aggro why is the guy not dead by the time he does breach emrakul and if you're control/midrange why is breach resolving
What does villa zheng go by on Aliexpress?
>>47833163
This is the modern general
>>47833245
>he buys real cards for modern
>>47833272
What I buy is irrelevant
This is not the thread to discuss proxies
Any taking turns player here? U/W or mono blue? I just got a playset of AVs today and really considering memeing it up.
