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RESOURCES
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>CARD SEARCHING
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
http://www.magiccards.info
First for Chainer, king of monoblack.
>>47753523
>>47753446
Fugg these guys both look really fun to play
>tfw you have both but don't like chainer at all
>Online store is selling Journey into Nyx cheaper than cost of two boosters - it's gambling time
>Only Fates Foreseen left
>Be a BW player buy gf is mainly UR so buy her one to just for funinb4 intros are shit - yeah, they are but it's still a pretty much fun to play with them
>"Anon, it's nice of you - take my boosters"
>"Ok, but If I pull Keranos, you have to play EDH"
>Mfw I have no face when pic related from her second booster
Shiet, Anons - what is the best way to run this fucker on budget?
>>47753446
>Want to make a deck around my favorite Legend: Endrek Sahr
>Don't really have enough good cards to make him work
>Think of going Lizolda, the Blood Witch in stead
>Same
>Maybe I should go with Kresh, the Bloodbraided?
>See how far I've strayed from my original idea
>Cut everything back to mono-B
I've gone through this cycle 3 times now, send help.
>>47753915
>send money
ftfy
>>47753915
>my favorite Legend: Endrek Sahr
Anon why
>>47753876
MLD Stax. Brutal but effective. Otherwise you really can do whatever with him, he's pretty versatile.
r8 h8 appreci8
I've recently cleared up a few flex slots in zedruu, so I'm looking for janky enchantments or enchantment control stuff.
>>47754050
Post Sydri and Zedruu lists
>>47753523
would I be wrong for switching to pic related?
either one could easily grab the other from a graveyard, and I currently run both
>>47754019
I like to suffer
>>47753915
The spicy help is on the way, Anon.
>>47754406
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sydri-of-the-confusing-convoluted-combo-deck/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zedruu-jank-no-more/
They're both somewhat outdated but you get the general idea as it were
>>47754800
Don't forget Haakon for unlimited, exile-free Unearths.
Why is this not red?
>>47755289
Making copies is more blue than red
>>47755302
Red has a bunch of copy cards
>>47755289
It doesn't have haste, nor does it come in tapped and attacking. So presumably it's more for copying an opponent's creature and killing it when it attacks on their turn
>>47753915
Secret tech for Endrek: Assault Suit. You can just choose not to pass him around and never have to sac him. Spit out Thrulls all day with no downside.
>mfw kaladesh legendary artificer isblue/anusand it's abillity is mostly related to new artifact creatures withdevoid
>>47754800
>>47754837
>>47755392
Thanks guys, appreciate the help!
I also found Spawning Pit, to get rid of excess Thrulls.
>>47755392
Anon that wouldn't work. Once someone hits 7 Thrulls they'd have to sacrifice Endrek, but they can't because of Assault Suit, so the ability just triggers infinitely and the game never ends
>>47755502
>mfw Eldrazi Moon will have a legal Emrakul
>>47755502
I would be fucking pissed
Dear mono red players, what's your favorite way to draw cards?
>>47755809
Daretti. I fucking love discard two mountains draw two mountains.
>>47754050
What a coincidence, I just helped a friend build a Jor Kadeen Myr tribal as his first edh deck.
>>47755659
No.
>>47755809
Wheels and looting
Artifacts and Daretti are good too
That "exile -play until end of turn" mechanic sucks
>>47755871
Yes, actually. Unless you can pay a cost that sacs enough thrulls to put you to less than seven, the trigger will just keep going off. Check the gatherer rulings.
>>47755908
I wonder if they played around a little more with the exile-play thing it could be better. Something like exiling more cards at once but not playing all of them.
>>47755871
Yep
Unless you can bring it down to less than 7 Thrulls at instant speed in response to the trigger, it will go off forever
>>47755871
just stick with conspiracy, works better than assault armor
If you could add one color to a mono-colored Legendary creature, what would you do?
All this talk about Endrek Sahr made me think he'd fit pretty well in WB.
I have only played MTG online so far. What's the real MTG playbase like?
>>47756094
Pizza-faced Autistic Turbovirgins.
>>47755955
Well yeah, you need an out for the Thrulls or the game ends in a draw. Still saves you from needing to sac and recast your commander every other turn.
>>47756116
Wow, sounds like you have some seriously shit-tier local game stores.
>>47756061
Nefarox might make a fun Voltron general if he had White.
>>47756061
Godo would be rad in Boros. He'd be cooler if he was (not that he isn't anyway). Both colors for Samurai, two of the better artifact colors, lots more access to instant-speed removal
>>47756094
You know how you can imagine the worst about people online when you don't have to see them face to face. How you can imagine their self serving thought process through the filtered pure and direct information you get with an electronic medium?
If you've ever thought the worst about someone then just do that, but multiply it several times over. Only then will you have something approaching a standard magic player in real life.
Plus they have all the cards you can't afford.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/
R8?
>>47756116
So identical to the MtGO playerbase but you have to look at them
>>47756190
Ezuri/10. Not doing anything wrong but not really bringing anything new and exciting to the table.
>>47755659
>>47755955
>>47755967
Different anon here.
>want to run this combo in current Endrek
>don't believe anons
>look it up myself
>holy shit infinite loops with no close draw the game
Welp. I don't know what I was expecting.
Been out the card game circuit for a while now. There was a Game of Thrones card game I played a few years back where a certain deck archetype was all about resource denial: either lowering the opponent's resources to the point of making it impossible for them to play stuff, while keeping your own stuff cheap and playable, or outright stealing resources from other players to use as your own.
Is there anything that can do this in MTG/EDH? It was the biggest asshole deck in the format and it was rewarding as fuck to play. Really tough to pilot well and really fun
>>47756190
You could probably go down a few lands. Night Soil is pretty spicy though, gonna steal this idea for my own deck
>>47756669
Yes. That style of deck is quite possible in MtG. It is somewhat more difficult to pull off in EDH due to it's generally multiplayer focus but can still be done well.
This link should provide you with most of what you'll need to get started.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/204260-the-stax-primer
>>47756669
In M:tG it's called Stax. Stax is a polarizing strategy in some social circles because it's an example of one of the ways you can "break" EDH. EDH is wide open and the banlist is not intended to prevent every possible dick move like the way banlists from competitive formats are made. It's unquestionably effective in high-power games provided you don't get hated out.
>>47756669
grand arbiter, Augustus
I hope you die in a horrible car accident on your way to buy it.
jk
>>47755955
>>47756637
I actually like the assault suit idea as a way to force people to not cast spells lest they make the game a draw.
Sure there's going to be the duckweed that does anyway but a way in mono black to stop people from casting creatures is cute
>>47755809
Wheels are the best way to go besides Skull Clamp, which is easy to fuel with things like Kher Keep and Trading Post.
>>47755955
>>47755908
I've actually had pretty good experiences with the exile mechanic, particularly with Chandra/Outpost Siege. However, Commune with Lava is really good because it's until your NEXT turn.
>Mikaeus as my Commander
>local league starts today
>points system punishes infinite combos
I tend to play a control match and finish with some sort if drain and gain. What does /tg/ recommend for the deck to help me win without an infinite combo?
>>47755749
Let me guess - you want R/U artificer?
>>47757156
Yes
I know it's going to be underwhelming but the colors are my two favorites. Plus a proper RU artificer would be nice and not Jhoira
>>47757152
Gary and Kokopuff recursion seems like the best way to win without infinites. That said, you might just be better off going for a different commander and moving Mike to the 99 if you're just using him for value and not trying to go infinite.
>>47755363
Slap it on Zegana or E.Wit, man this card can be value I swear.
>>47756762
>>47756787
Oh yeah this looks like my shit. Choke (as it was known in AGOT) played really similar to this, and when you got going it was almost impossible to get out from. Gonna build this and draw a giant target right on my forehead when I bust it out.
>>47756841
Sry bb but I'm going in dry
>>47756061
Make Zada R/G or R/W so I can actually play funner spells.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/anafenza-the-cutemost/
Anything I should add? I asked last thread and got a few good suggestions for wincons. Does this Abzan Goodstuff have good enough stuff? I might add Midnight Guard+Presence of Gond Combo for the sake of it, but I'm not sure that's even good enough to add.
>>47757216
I want it to, to be honest but
>Fire magic is strictly banned, and pyromancy punishable with a death sentence.
>>47757392
I have those two but you have a point. It's a recursion deck that is surprisingly hard to win with without Triskelion.
>>47757573
There were red artificers in Origins though. That one uncommon that gave artifact creatures haste was red and pretty good
>>47757573
Red isn't just fire. It's also passion and invention. Kaladesh is ripe for red creatures that show other sides to the color. Stuff like Felden of the Third Path
>>47757580
Maybe try mono Sidisi in the command slot instead. She can get you Mikaeus on curve if he's what you want, but lets you build more of a toolbox deck. Also she works great with recursion herself.
>>47757561
I made this almost exact same deck with the same support of +1/+1 counters and its really slow and easy to kill you may want stuff like fleece-mane lion and stuff like rootborn defenses and Golgari charm to keep your board safe from wraths.
Is there a way to reliably flicker Hokori during your turn so you can untap all your lands, then bring him back EOT to affect the board again?
>>47757703
Ah, golgari charm! I knew i was forgetting something obvious. Thank you for reminding me! Fleecemane Lion seems like a really solid option, too. Thanks! Does anything stand out as prime material to be cut out? I'm having a hard time seeing what is sub-par for the general strategy.
>>47757760
Eldrazi Displacer?
>>47757790
Doesn't work. Hokori will always be present for his ability to trigger.
Something that keeps things gone till end of turn would work though.
>>47757595
>>47757627
Fuck me running but you are right. Still, imo artifact creatures with devoid would be interesting
>>47757561
Unburial Rites is better than Zombify, I believe.
The same goes for Ambition's cost, unless you think opponent losing 3 life from Harrowing Journey would matter.
>>47757760
Roon might be your best bet, but I'm assuming you want Hokori as your general
Skybind could probably work if you're running some pillowfort-y stuff
>>47757848
My bad, misread Displacer. Try Flickerform then.
>>47757760
'walker Venser is entirely capable of this. Shame that there aren't many effects that have a delayed return on the flicker, but I imagine it'd be incredibly easy to abuse if they did
>>47757878
Ah, right. Ambition's Cost is much better. Unburial Rites too. Maybe add Entomb and something like Dread Return, to create a secondary Reanimator strategy that's easier to set up.
>>47755502
>>47757156
>Not wanting a red/whiteartificer
>>47757774
Daghatar is pretty mana intensive not always worth it, you could prob use forgotten ancient in that spot it that's what you want. You could prob run varolz instead of deadbridge Goliath if you really want to scavenge. I'm trying to keep this budget for ya since you I imagine you don't wanna spend much but you could use a scavenging ooze and green sun. Theirs so much you can do with Ana tho so do you man she's fucking hype I'm rebuilding her again myself .
If I sac with ashnods altar, that goes on the stack and someone uses path to exile in response, can I just trigger ashnods again to put it on the stack again to keep my creature from getting exiled or do I need a different sac outlet trigger
>>47758391
You sac your creature as a part of the cost, so it's impossible to respond.
>>47758391
Sac is part of the cost, by the time they get priority the creature is already dead.
>>47758018
Actually, I'm running one as pauper EDH commander
>>47758612
How well does it work?
>>47758652
Still working on it and making some changes but it's mainly everything with affinity for artifacts/plains, metalcraft etc
>>47758724
Do you run Atog?
>>47756669
That sounds like stax
And if you're completely new to EDH, stax might not be the best way to start. You'll draw immense hate for it. But go for it if that's what you really want to build
>>47758766
Nope - I want to use only "recent" cards because I will probably want to buy this deck on paper and local stores has not this old sets
>>47756669
>GJ Choke
>biggest asshole deck
>implying Martell Bloodthirst wasn't a million types worse
>>47758391
>>47758436
>>47758452
Also, as a general rule; mana abilities can't be responded to.
>>47755809
Targeted Cantrips
>>47757152
With a shitty rule like that I'm gonna assume it's a very casual meta. Personally I'd still use triskelion, but I wouldn't go infinite. Remove all the counters pinging things, then use him as a chump blocker. Or use him with limited sac outlets like High Market and Vampiric Rites. It's still tons of value, you just don't combo out. If anyone calls you on that shit you could act like you had no idea it could be infinite in the first place.
>>47758929
Expedite becomes "R: Creatures you control gain Haste. Draw cards equal to the number of creatures you control."
>>47754050
My Shu Yun deck has the same problem that your Atarka deck has but I enjoy it anyway
>>47756094
It varies. I've generally had good experiences with people I've met at LGSs and GPs albeit they're usually a bit spergy
>>47758929
Use this as a death-or-glory finisher
>>47759440
I personally don't like Tears for 2 reasons:
1) Fatal Frenzy is better with Zada, since it's cheaper, gives trample, and is harder to counter
2) On it's own Tears is a smaller pump than the rest of my spells, giving somewhere between 1 and 4 power. If I had other pump spells and the mana to use them along with Tears it just seems like a winmore spell with a huge downside should they have a fog. Compare it to overblaze, which is the same CMC, has splice (if your build can take advantage of it it's surprisingly relevant), does effectively the same thing with zada out, and has no downside.
Do you guys think Momir Big would be good in Newzuri. I feel like he'd be great..
Hokori stax: Y/N? That effect is crazy but mono-white is weak on its own
simic +1/+1 counters is on its way boys
What would be the best premade edh deck to pick up as my first? I generally like playing control, namely white/blue, but am open to try anything fun.
From my rather minimal experience playing I believe that I would want to build towards
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/597109-azami-lady-of-scolls-knowledge-is-power
or
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/561850-selvala-she-has-returned
though im open to any suggestions.
>>47760410
>baby deer
Is it possible to build Briarskull on a budget?
Has anyone had success with Tazri? I love the idea of it, but my "meta" is squaring off against blue braids 1v1 most of the time, so unless it's vaguely serious, it's not even worth my time and wasted jank to proxy it.
>>47760410
Build Daretti stax like a man
>>47760410
It depends on your preferred playstyle, the 2011s are expensive now and generally not worth buying, the 2013s are average and still fairly cheap, 2014s white deck is shit and blue needs alot of work, 2015s any deck but the RW unless you think spending $40 for a sol ring and blade of selves is a good deal.
>>47754050
None of these are good by any standard.
>>47754050
I'm too lazy to make a pic, r8 me as you will
>Ezuri, Claw of Progress
>Nekusar the Mindrazer
>Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper
>Mimeoplasm
I also have 3tiny leadersJori En, Anafenza the Foremost, and old Ezuri
>killing the table with a Price of Progress while gaining like 90 life
That's a real special feeling.
>>47760857
Was Soulfire Grand Master involved?
I fancy the card, but I also can't fit it anywhere.
Just bought one of those resale packs with a Genesis Hydra promo. What's a good deck that can run it and other things that can give me free creatures?
Which one of these brews should I end up building? Also what should I build Norin into?
>>47761039
It was, as was an Increasing Vengeance flashback and Reverberate
>>47761052
Oh my god, I have a boner right now.
>play Omnath
>have 200 mana
>cast Genesis Hydra for 100
>tutor Helix Pinnacle
>win
>>47761080
Who's your general, dear sir?
>>47761052
Monogreen elves and Zegana ramp/goodstuff come to mind. If you go monogreen and like getting two bodies for one card, Kalonian Twingrove is another fatty I have been wanting to try out.
So I just discovered this guy. Apparently he's not super good but i really like the idea of making a deck around him and dictate of erebos/blood artist/ogre slumlord. Anybody ever play with or against someone using this guy? Any tips or ideas?
Also any suggestions for a blue commander good for instants and sorceries? Rise from the tides swells my pants like few other cards.
>>47761104
That actually sounds cool. Anyways, the packs I got were Journey into Nyx, Gatecrash, and Fate Reforged. I pulled:
>Skyspear Cavalry
>Blinding Flare
>Rollick of Abandon
>Hypnotic Siren
>Mardu Shadowspear
>Qarsi High Priest
>Sudden Reclamation
>Sage-Eye Avengers
>Showstopper
>Trostani's Summoner
>Putrefy
>Pontiff of Blight
Can any of these be used for any sort of deck, or are they junk cards?
>>47761152
I'd suggest Dralnu.
But Talrand, Mizzix and Melek are more traditional instant/sorcery generals.
I also can see Shu Yun running it fro late game goodies.
>>47760084
He can be strong but honestly he's better in the 99 of a GAA4 deck. Build what you want though, that's half the fun of the format
>>47761171
Definetly.
Putrefy is solid.
Trostani's Summoner for blink or token deck.
Sudden Reclamation for Sidisi or Gitrog orHua Tuo dredge.
Pontiff of Blight for goodstuff, token or big mana deck.
All other card range from meh to okay.
>>47761356
I think I might make a BG deck. I've got tons of Golgari lands anyhow, so the mana base won't be anything to worry about
>>47761135
Numot
It is not a nice deck
>>47753446
What's the commander that /tg/ hates, because you know when someone plays it, you're gonna have the most NO FUN ALLOWED game possible?
I think it was a R/W/G mix or something.
>>47761079
Selvala decklist? I've been wanting to make her work as a Stax/Hatebear deck.
>>47761289
Hmmm, dralnu and tarland have my interest. Dralnu because I like the color combination despite wizards not knowing what to do with it.
And i have a copy of high tide for tarland
>>47761455
Jacques le Vert
>>47761455
The only commander I hate is daretti but only because the faggot in my playgroup stacks his deck.
>>47761152
For Yukora, run Conspiracy and name Orges.
>>47761497
Dralnu is great. Brian Weissman plays a budget version on MTGO and I love the list:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/variant-commander/704749-2dh-brian-weissmans-dralnu-lich-lord
His replays go in depth into his decision making and will teach you to be better at Magic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NrNlfyunjA
>>47760820
>tiny leaders
Wew lad i bought into that 2 week meme hard, foiled out an entire varolz golglati infect deck and never even got to play a game befire people stopped playing
>mfw
>>47761727
>run conspiracy
>counter the entire point of running a boardwide sac outlet.
Anon, if I wanted to do mono black tribal I'd just play zombies
>>47754811
For Sydri, if you have a lot of ETB abilities, Venser the Sojouner might be of use to you
>>47757156
All I want to be able to do is run Goblin Welder and Arcum in the same deck.
R/W/U artifact commander?
Make Kaladesh Great Again
>>47761460
I'm out right now but once I get home I'll update the decklist and send it to you
>>47761718
Have everyone cut the deck of the person to their left
>>47761964
I want Daretti and Muzzio in the same deck
>>47762195
I mean, that too
>>47762091
>all creatures havedefender
How do I teach my group that mana rocks are an important part of deckbuilding, and who is the best commander to punish my group for not running them?
>>47762465
Mono red MLD
UW prison control with Armageddon's out of the ass
>>47762465
Kazuul
Blow up everyone's lands, force attacks and start pooping out Ogre tokens because they can't pay 3
>>47762465
Jund LD with shattergangbang brothers keep them off land then sac your own stuff so they dont have creatures either
>Pendrell Vale is $800 on average
That card costs more than all my decks combined and it would be perfect for one of my decks
>>47761851
My group plays tiny leaders when we meet up. Never truly invested in this format since all of those is made from crap we had lying around
>>47762888
>paying hundreds of dollars for something that's going to be removed by a $2 Ghost Quarter
No thanks.
>>47762888
>mfw I just got two of those in the mail, along with a set of Power, 2 Workshops, and an Imperial Seal (plus some other stuff)
I would shitpost by saying something like "stay mad, poorfag", but I'm a poorfag who had a rich cousin who died, so whatever. It's stupid expensive and not really worth the cost, sadly.
>>47762942
I just sold two Tabbies.
I wonder if you bought mine.
>>47762965
Didn't buy anything. Cousin's mother, my aunt, mailed me his cards.
>>47762942
Wow bro, you are superior to us in every way im jealous, no really you are the best player in this thread i hope you win every game with your superiority
>>47761460
>>47762118
Here you go:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/selvala-explorer-returneds-parley-party/
>>47762901
Everyone here said they would play but that lasted a week before they all went back to standard only
>>47763043
It varies on the group I guess. We still play it and have been for the past, been hurting for a normal ol game since its mostly commander or tiny leaders with them but when you have 2 people who print out cards off their printers and insist they totally own this card its not fun either, had to lock that shit down with one of the guys in our group and his "$2000" nath deck
FUN
U
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well, just had a Kruphix Eldrazi guy RQ on me, here's the storytime:
>Plays ramp spells for the first few turns, reach and such
>Plays Kozilek
>Riptide Entrancer his Kozilek
>He plays JTMS and Brainstorms instead of bouncing
>Kill JTMS with his Kozi
>He tries to Capsize Kozi, Voidmage Prodigy it
>Rites Kozilek, I bounce with little known fomat MVP Equilibrium
>Play Unblinking Bleb
>He's tapped out, so I go for a facedown Brine Elemental and flip with Ixidor
>Next turn backslide Brine Elemental and do it again
>Get a nut draw of Dermoplasm
>Put Brine Elemental facedown again and flip again
he quit while I was scrying for my second time that turn.
>>47763312
How is this a rage quit? Scooping in response to a combo is kinda common...
>>47763517
he just left mid turn without saying anything, also it wasn't a hard lock, I could only do it for one more turn.
I enjoy this card
>>47763797
Should also affect Islands flavor-wise.
>>47763835
Blue and white are allied colors on the pie though, should affect red
>>47763797
>updated oracle text says nothing about black mana symbols, just "sac a swamp"
I'm buying and running this. My meta is full of black decks.
>>47763797
Staple in all my decks because 100% of opponents are in green
>>47763932
Gay
>>47763876
Your mountains have been affected by drought.
>>47763797
Also gay
>>47763946
>>47763970
Found the Golgari player
>>47763835
Swamps get drained all the time. Have you ever seen anyone drain an ocean?
>>47763946
Back to the forest with you eladamri!
>>47764059
>>47763984
Ultra gay
I also enjoy this card
>>47764095
That second part seems really specific but GOD DAMN a red mass bounce spell is too spicy
Imagine the salt that would flow if it was combined with this
>>47764095
This one is better cuz it affects 2 colors
Still a little gay but not as much
>>47764177
Why do you not like color hate, anon? It's necessary sometimes, like MLD
>>47764095
>Return all Islands to their owner's hands
>>47764144
What if at the beginning of a player's upkeep, that player doesn't control any non-island lands, yet is force to by this card?
I made a very terrible stax deck that could use some help
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hokori-salt-sower/
pls help
>>47764256
There are no legal targets so the ability fizzles
>>47764195
Because it reeks of close minded fools, either you or your opponents, if your opponents all have only 1 deck and they all play the same color, you have a shit playgroup but I'd understand you want to run a card that is good against them
It just seems like bad card design to me, the card is either useless or perfect, depending on facts outside your control, that is not good card design
Good players play all 5 colors and good metas have balanced colors to a certain extent
>>47764318
And when I say "perfect" I mean "unfairly overpowered, a complete blowout"
It's bad design to have cards that are either useless or overpowered depending on things outside your control
Do any of you actually have fun winning that way? You only force your opponent to play a different color and make your card useless
it's different if you play edh with sideboards, then it's quite reasonable to pack these in your sideboard
>>47764258
That Eon Hub + Hokori combo is gross
>>47764402
It's just a worse stasis basically
>>47764425
Yeah but you don't skip the untap step outright
With that and Unwinding Clock out you get all your rocks up, and with Lattice it's everything
>>47764506
I see
>no Crucible reprint in EMA
What were they thinking
>>47764852
About how to put as little worth in the set as possible.
>Three chances to print enemy color fetches between MM2, C15, and EMA
>>47764888
>implying C15 was a chance to print enemy fetches
They'd be charging you twice msrp at the game stores, the single copy of the enemy fetchland would take up the entire msrp on its own
>>47764935
So your LGS is shit. Mine sells everything at MSRP.
>>47764946
Mine sells most things at msrp, because wotc has the foresight to not make their products worth more than the msrp
In fact I spoke incorrectly, if fetchlands were in the C15, you wouldn't be able to buy them for any price, the stores would simply open then and take out the fetches, then sell you the individual cards
>>47764246
You remind me of myself
>>47764888
>printing fetches in limited print run sets
It's like you don't actually want them to be affordable
>>47755809
Squee + loots
Seriously underrated
>>47760524
I've gotten to a decent list methinks, have a look if you want. O-or don't
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/go-fast-allies/
This is geared more towards 1v1 with lots of smaller guys. Otherwise if you play it as a pseudo combo deck with blinking allies to trigger their etbs.
I hate running lots of small, shitty tribal guys as it goes against everything I always say, but getting shit down early is way too important for allies so that you get the etbs rolling.
>>47765171
>Store Jews you this hard
>go to Walmart
>take it to your Jew LGS
>Stare him down as you open it in front of him
>>47765590
How exactly did they Jew me (in this hypothetical scenario)??
By not selling me a product for half what it's worth?
>>47765534
>playing lots of small tribal guys goes against everything I always say
Explain further
>overloaded Vandalblast to make rocks go boom
>cast this
>watching people mentally wrestle between letting their mana base blow up mid-game or paying a shitload of life to keep them
Man, Boros "blow shit up" decks are fun
>>47765615
Because they want to nickel and dime a mass circulation product with a massive print run. It's not like charging $80+ for FTV:X since it is extremely limited.
If they hypothetically do that to their product, then you hypothetically don't support it because it's asinine.
>>47765804
What's asinine about taking basically the number 1 most in demand cards in all of magic and selling them individually?
a much smaller number of people care about the commander precons than the number who care about enemy fetches, they would make way way more money by selling the fetchlands than they would by marking up the commander decks to account for $50 cards in them
And if they didn't mark them up, they'd be literally throwing away money
I'm not understanding your view here at all
In this hypothetical scenario the only asinine party would be wotc for printing $50 cards in a starter product like a commander precon meant to all for 30-40
>>47765795
>pay 6 life or sac 6 lands what a conundrum
Are we playing the same game?
Best commander.
>>47765980
My group is not the brightest and cannot keep lands in hand
Also the resident flip Nissa player blows his fucking Forest load all over the table and runs no rocks
>>47766007
land destruction is good againts opponents who dont keep lands in hand
when i say land destruction i mean cards like armageddon, and boom//bust, and wake of destruction
cleansing, on the other hand, is a shit card, because paying 1 life or sac'ing a land is no choice at all, you pay the 1 life in 99 out of 100 cases
>>47760635
Just fuck me senseless, I bought the 2015 RW precon and yes It's worse than the rest, specially the GB one.
I don't dislike the general nor I regret spending the money but she's fucking underpowered while the others can get exp counters fast and easy I'ts not fair.
I just hope the 2016 precons are more balanced.
>>47758823
Atog was printed in OG mirrodin and is reasonably easy to find that printing. Plus you can do the affinity fling combo too.
r8 my commanders, /tg/
>>47766434
let's just say that playing against you would be preferable to suicide
Any recommendations for my Polukranos fight tribal deck? I know I have only 98 cards, I'm in the process of taking out the cards I already have so I can just order the ones I need. The one missing card is Sylvan Library.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/polukranos-fights-to-fight/
As one of the only people in my meta not playing UGX or GBX I think I'm developing a persecution complex. Why the hell does no one want to play anything but Esper, BUG good stuff/graveyard stuff. I can't stand it anymore
>>47766509
Why is that? I've run into little to no problems in my LGS or in my own personal friend group.
>>47766543
read my post again
>>47766560
What? I have no idea what you're trying to say? You seem to be implying that either my commanders are bad or cancerous, when my experiences with them have never once indicated that. So I asked you why you said that. I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
>>47766606
How is being preferable to suicide a bad thing?
>>47765759
I usually avoid playing or advise playing all of x guys in a tribal deck, because most of them suck, see merfolk as one example, treefolk as another.
Some people when building tribal just go in magiccards.info, type in the subtype the tribe, and add all creatures of that type.
Why I'm doing this with allies, is because their synergies require you to have a good amount of allies to be really strong, whereas some of the elf or merfolk or whatever tribe don't need that many.
I like green ok
>>47766689
i gotcha
slivers > allies
slivers are almost all good and they only get better when they're together
whereas you need to run like every ally ever printed to fill up your commander deck and half of them are shit
>>47766606
he's saying that he would rather play you than kill himself
>>47766723
>all tri-color
boring
>>47766740
>>47766662
Oh ok. That's a weird expression if you were to give someone a compliment though.
>>47766723
>uril
mah nigga
>>47766770
you're right it was a lame joke, so lame other people had to explain it
basically i wanted to give you the minimum possible rating but if i said 1/10 that would imply negative when i really just meant that i have nothing positive to say
i guess 5/10 ??
>>47766741
whats wrong with that my dude
>tfw grimgrin is the sloppiest piece of shit """deck""" I've ever made
>got a few really lucky draws in some games and play group is convinced it's the most broken spike deck they've ever seen
>I feel only disappointment every time I look at it
Like, one fucking game where I reanimate'd it that betrays and baleful force on turn 3 and they wont let it go. That's not even fucking game over. I have practically no counterspells in the deck so one board wipe would have set everything back to normal
how do you folks suggest making a Pharika deck? I really want to use her but I just am looking at her and edh rec and seeing nothing other than some enchantments matter themes, which doesn't seem like enough for a single deck
>>47766794
nothing wrong it, per se, i just prefer mono and 2-color
tri-color decks all feel the same to me, even when the colors are different
like 2 different tri color birthing pod decks? seems boring as hell
>>47766521
Lurking predators
Maybe tooth and nail or quicksilver amulet to cheat in fatties
If you want removal in mono green
Lignify and song of the dryads
>>47766541
Why don't you run Anafenza GY Enchantress hate bears and fuck them all in the ass?
>>47766831
sorry m8 but pharika kinda sucks. her decks are either bad enchantress or BG good stuff that only ever casts pharika when they need to hate on someone else's graveyard
>>47760820
>Jori En
My nigga, best mermaid waifu.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/it-takes-two/
>>47766857
>he doesn't know how to play Pharika
>>47766831
I got your back famila
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pharika-build/
>>47766831
ill never understand people like you
in what way exactly do you "really want to use her" but somehow have no idea how to build her
makes no sense to me, when i want to build a commander, its because i have cards in mind that seem like they pair well with that commander
do you just like the art?
also, pharika has a pretty simple ability, im not sure where you're confused on what to do, when your creatures die, you turn them into deathtouch snakes
What is your favorite way to punish overextensive ramping/refusal to interact with the board? I ask because my playgroup has degenerated to cancer in the past few weeks
I'm torn EDHG. I want to build so many decks, but I don't know which to start first. I have a list if any of you want to weigh in.
Numot: Land Destruction
Oros: Deathtouch/Boardwipes/Graveyard Control
Treva: Enchantress
Skithiryx: Infect Voltron
>>47766907
armageddon, death cloud, board wipes, smokestack, winter orb, etc
>>47766907
well MLD is the traditional counter to mass land ramp
vandalblast/bane of progress for artifact mana
if your opponents are "refusing to interact" then you can punish that with infinite combos
>>47766870
Thanks, deck list looks sweet and I'll keep it in mind when I make mine
>>47766889
It's that I like the art and it was a gift from when I got into mtg, so I have a sentimental value and want to use her, just wanted to see if there was some combo I wasn't aware of with her
>>47766907
Jhoira U/R counter burn
Destroy their artifacts
Ping/burn their ramp creatures
Counter anything they try to do, only be interactive
Then cheat in fatties and rape them
>>47766806
How are you running Karametra?
>>47765987
I'd allow it at the table
>>47766806
Secret grimgrin tech
>>47767277
I think he meant "post your Karametra list"
>>47767294
Shit, that makes sense.
>>47767279
>tfw your commandfu will never get nonsensical support cards from the awkward years of design to make them viable.
>>47767213
i'll type it up on tappedout. it used to be a lot meaner running shit like living plane and natural affinity with the idea of tutoring up elesh norn and killing everyone's lands. I took elesh norn out because I needed her in legacy reanimator and I'm too cheap to buy a 2nd one and just dropped the land destroying plan all together so the deck is a lot "fairer" now.
>>47767382
>plays legacy
>can't buy another $15 card
What the actual fuck
Why does nobody on this board make any sense whatsoever?
>>47766791
And why is that? Is it just the commanders I chose or something else?
>>47767422
our shop does unreported legacy events and allows for 12 proxies per deck so my duals are fake. legacy is actually not that expensive once duals are out of the picture.
>>47763268
replace stuffy doll with spitemare/mog maniac/boros reckoner and darksteel plate/avacyn/anything else that gives indestructible, clear the table.
>>47767437
Basically can't stand anybody who calls their deck a "politics" deck
But I like keranos so that deck is a wash
And then the rest of the decks are fine but the fact that you already have marath and Xenagod and want to build mayael strikes me as really weird
>>47767213
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dirty-hippie-goddess/
going through the list reminded me of how many things I've traded out of the original list when I was more serious about commander. used to have a life from the loam in there to abuse the cycle lands and just never got around to replacing it. also had a strip mine in there at one time but when I ended up in a new, significantly lower powered group I took it out
>>47767472
When I said "poliitcs" I more or less referred to how I played him. What I usually try and do is strike deals with people about who gets the lightning bolts and stuff like that if that makes sense.
As for Marath, Xenagos, and Mayael, all three have similar themes but different playstyles in my opinion. Marath is all about casting Marath for either counters or tokens, Xenagos is about doubling up creatures and making them bigger than they already are, and Mayael is leaving that shit to luck and just top decking creatures. That being said, I'm a huge fan of Green/Gruul and fat monsters so that's why I built Xenagos and Marath.
>>47767532
Marath can definitely be unique but Xenagod and mayael seem very very similar and it just seemed weird that you would build the same deck again just in a slightly diff color combo when you've already made that color combo
You do you tho, I barely find time to play all my decks anyway and I only have 4 currently, like you
>>47767568
Explain to me how Xenagos and Mayael seem very similar because I don't see it. Xenagos is all about adding multiplying counters to your already-big creatures while Mayael is just topdecking big creatures and putting as many onto the board as fast as possible. Two entirely different strats.
>>47767630
maybe they're similar in the "BIG CREATURE SMASH LITTLE MAN FACE" play style
>>47761152
Kuon?
>>47767630
This exactly
Xenophobe is ramp into fatties and turn them sideways
Mayael is "oh boy i hope i topdeck a fatty with cmc 6 or greater and put it into play" then turn them sideways
Mayael is my casual fun times multiplayer deck for when i really dont want to think
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