Ethnic Cleansing Edition
Thread Guy returns to the Wendigo Isles to slumber and feed Sub-Edition
In the last thread we talked about SoH's power levels, Thread Guy's mechanicum got fluffed, the legions competed about which one could genocide better, nostraman and chaotic alphabets were posted, Munitorum containers got rules and Curze was hiding inside one. Request orders for Dreadtitan Stormodons and Colonic Irrigators were issued, God was confirmed as an ass-lover, we had an argument about Plasma Support vs Veteran tacticals and we were sheathing our tanks in steel but the Blood Ravens stole that and much more in the last thread >>47668504
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What Legion Rules best match the Rainbow Warriors?
>>47685502
EC
But instead of Phoenix Spears give them Macuahuitls
Are they ever going to give us rules for Assassins in 30k?
>>47685586
Sisters of Silence could function as pseudo-Cullexii, but considering the Ordo Assassinorum isn't still a thing, I'd say no.
>>47685586
Assassins weren't even around in superhuman augmented form until later on. Best you're going to get is some Inquisitors and proto-assassins that are T3 S3 with minor upgrades due to gear or whatever. No more super bullet dodging marine-level weaponized humans.
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this is exciting
What's your average casualty ratio, /hhg/? I want to see how many deaths are too many.
>>47685848
The last game I played was in 40k, Guard vs Skitarii
Guard had approximately, including transports/tanks/planes 70ish models on the table
With the skitarii I had about 60ish models on the table
End of turn 6 (game didn't go on) I had 7 models on the table, guard guy had 6
Good times
>>47685848
Most games I'm fielding anywhere between 40 to 60 models and am lucky to have 1 or 2 left alive.
>>47686073
>>47686116
But did you win?
>>47685848
0.I've never played an actual game. I'm lonely.
Also, what book has the Imperial Militia/Cults? I'm interested in converting my IG to be able to be used in both 40k and in 30k as meat shields for Word Bearers.
>>47686150
If the mission required you to leave your deployment zone to win then yes.
>>47685641
Incorrect. All six Temples were up and running. Malcador controlled all six Grand Masters personally.
>>47685813
At least it's not
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>>47686281
We haven't even gotten Malcador yet, so that's a laughable argument. We're at the Knight Errant stage with Garro.
>>47686298
The fuck are you talking about? Have you not read Nemesis? The Assassins were all just as superpowered as they are in 40k. He wasn't saying anything about their tabletop rules.
>>47685438
Besides Move through Cover, what other rules and options will Grav Rhinos have? Or will the Emprah's Own Custodes Rhinos will still be dumb disposable metal boxes?
>>47686774
>Move through Cover
They'll be Rhinos that are Skimmers.
>>47686774
>Skimmer
>Twin Linked version of the Pseudo-rending stormbolter that all custodes will have
>>47686838
>>47686918
Maybe AV+1 to all sides, its golden color reminds me of Dorn's and Emprah's armour.
Probably Custodes won't be able to be wounded on better than 3+ too, meaning they don't need to be true T5.
>Grav Rhino: ASSAULT VEHICLE.
Which book has the Militia/Cults army list? I want to be able to ally in my IG and do some chaos-y conversions to make them cultists for my Word Bearers. Also, which book has the army list/FOC/whatever it is that lets me use Cultists/Militia with Traitors?
>>47687113
HH5 and 6.
Say, I was looking at the IM's character progression and found he stays at T3, but SA can become T4. Why, if they're both humans? Hell, he could get gene enhancements.
>>47687186
Thanks mate! I've got 6, so now I just need 5.
Anyone mind linking a pdf of it? On mobile right now, unfortunately my computers broken.
>>47687001
Wouldn't it have lighter armor so it can float? It'll have lower AV.
>inb4 Land Speeder transport
>>47686333
>Have you not read Nemesis?
>actually reading BL
>thinking the majority of players are stupid enough to read BL
Lol. You HAVE?
the cerberus heavy tank destroyer has completely retarded rules.
it should have 2 strength D ap1 small blasts or something
>>47687246
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>>47687295
I haven't, but I know a full execution squad is there. And I question that fact, because didn't Malcador just contacted the founding fathers of the Assassinorum on Mount Vengeance barely a few years earlier?
>>47686333
But suddenly they have an already functional Assassinorum, with agents that need about a full decade of training at the ready.
What did I miss?
>>47687345
Mate, sorry to say this, but I mean to say that my computer is busted and I can't access the mega because of this. Again, sorry for not clarifying!
>>47687371
Ah, well now I understand. Srry m88, I got it from there.
What was on Isstvan V?
Im building a board and terrain based on it. all I now is it had black sand. Where there buildings or anything on it?
>>47687445
It's fine, mate! I found a pdf of it just now.
Now I just need to find one for the Scions codex, I'm debating on whether or not to get their Start Collecting box. Huge savings it has!
>>47687508
There was death and treachery, anon, all of it caked in black volcanic sand. There were also crashed ships/aircraft (preferrably on top of WB and NL), wrecked vehicles, a billion drop pods and some dead civilization's ruinsand Ferrus' head.
'ave a giggle m8.
Pic related was part of a chart compilation. I love charts! There's more where that came from ;^)
>>47687597
I wish SA/IM had some sort of Order system like the IG has...but that'd be pushing it a lot, especially with Provenances and superheavies as Heavy Support choices.
>>47687716
Looking at it so far, the ability to have a fear-causing melee only army, with the only guns being on vehicles sounds hilarious.
Though, it'd empty my wallet in the blink of an eye, what with all the upgrade sets I'd need from FW to make all these Renegades/Heretics.
>>47687802
Wasn't a SA/IM redbook/expansion scheduled sometime in the future?
I'm still waiting on more Autokrator, I refuse to believe a few upgraded IA1 superheavies are all the representation they're going to get, especially when FW is known to not have their mind made up.
>>47687186
does the list in 6 differ from the one in 5?
>>47687943
If you're talking about that lists that functions with cultists, that's a RoW rather than a different FOC. Sacrificial offering, right? It's on book 6, in the "new RoWs" section.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Rites_of_War.
>>47685848
I wonder if FW considers casualties to be killed in action or if casualties is being used correctly to define both killed and wounded in action.
Straight up losing 78% of your men as killed in action seems wasteful even by Iron Warrior standards, especially considering their penchant for mathematics and probably viewing unnecessary/wasteful losses as inefficient.
>HEY ASSHOLES WHERE THE FUCK IS 3rd COMPANY
We're it, sir. Just the six of us left.
>YOU INEFFICIENT FUCKS. I'M ROLLING YOU INTO 2nd COMPANY AND YOU ARE BEING RELIEVED OF COMMAND. GRAB A BREACHING SHIELD, ALL OF YOU.
But sir there was-
>I DON'T GIVE A SHIT, YOU FUCKING INCOMPETENT NINCOMPOOP. YOU WILL BE LEADING BREACH ASSAULTS AS PUNITIVE DUTIES.
Iron Within.
>IRON WITHOUT. NOW GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.
>>47687905
Hmmm... Reading through it, my current Leman Russ loadouts are incompatible with 30k, seeing as I have MM sponsons on all 6 of them. Vanquishers and Exterminators.
A shame, I'll just use them as counts-as then.
>>47688043
Yeah, they take the termn "casualty" as both killed and wounded in action, I think they have a casualty chart on HH4 or something similar.
>Straight up losing 78% of your men as killed in action seems wasteful even by Iron Warrior standards
Dude, the Temporaferrox are the Hrud. Simply surviving them is already a victory of its own. And they won.
I bet the Hrud attack was how they discovered that the IW's geneseed caused the long bones to bend as the marines grew several centuries old. Because that's how the survivors got left.
Astartes biologically ~600+ years old in a Crusade that had started barely 200 years ago.
>>HEY ASSHOLES WHERE THE FUCK IS 3rd COMPANY
>>We're it, sir. Just the six of us left.
>>YOU INEFFICIENT FUCKS. I'M ROLLING YOU INTO 2nd COMPANY AND YOU ARE BEING RELIEVED OF COMMAND. GRAB A BREACHING SHIELD, ALL OF YOU.
I bet those six marines got sent to garrison a full world on their own. In fact you just described this nigga's backstory.
>>47688084
IM Russes can have sponsons, SA's can't.
>>47688196
I know that, it's just that IM Russes can't take MM sponsons. Only HBolter and HFlamer.
Quick post video game music that fits with 30k. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wirkuuCjLCY I am horrible at shooting in vidya games. I think either my shooting skills has rusted, or being a BAfag has bled in so much that I can't really do much but run up and cut things.
>>47688196
>No one cared who I was
>until I put on the mask.jpg
The Iron Within by Rob Sanders is fucking awesome, I hope he keeps writing IW stuff.
>hrud and their entropic field bullshit made of nightmares and eldritch horror
Just throw the fucking planet into a nearby star.
>>47688196
>IW's geneseed caused the long bones to bend as the marines grew several centuries old
Wait, what?
>>47688252
>Mandofags
>in my 30k
no thank you
>>47688252
>When marching across No Man's Land as hot lead rains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5X69vREAg
>>47688362
>Minor Ossmundula mutation sometimes cause limbs to twist and deform as marine grows really old (we're talking hundreds of years to millennia) - this is usually dealt with by replacing limbs with bionics
According to the wiki, in the grim darkness of the IW's future there's only twisted bones. Sometimes.
>>47688252
>This is either the best decision you've made or the worst. whichever it is I doubt I'll live long enough to find out.
The good part starts at 1:44, I'd say it fits an IM/SA muster. I mean, they're so varied it has to fit one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaeo11YJ13k
>>47688503
That has to be what plays in Pert's mind.
Say, when did the WE got their nails? I was thinking of doing a sort of quest with the characters and memes /hhg/ has embraced/spawned (I10 EC Praetor, Tactical assault moons, Beep-boops, grav-titans, etc.), but I'm not sure whether or not the WEs already had the Butcher's Nails when Alpharius was found.
A few threads ago we mentioned special characters using FW's creation and was wondering if anyone else wanted to develop this concept a bit more.
>Imperial Fists dude, T 6 3++ using RoW
>Emperor's Children Champion, I 10 in a challenge on the charge
>World Eaters Praetor, WS 9 in a challenge on the charge with 8 or 9 attacks on the charge
>Blood Angels Praetor, S5 with the double wound sword and instant death for one fight subphase
>Solar Auxilia Lord Marshal with +1 to reserve rolls (can pick warlord trait to reroll reserve rolls)
>>47689280
We also had a stronk Archmagos (T7 W4 S10 chainfist), and a IM character and a DG librarian were due.
The BA Praetor is new (?), but it's the most broken thing ever. I like him already.
Yes, I wanted to use those characters. Back when we mentioned them (the "League of Extraordinary Characters") we kinda placed them on one of their good endings:
All of them on the same side, with sweet DTs and in the Autek-Kyr fleet, but that's one of the many endings they can have.
I wonder if more people are interested. That's but 6 factions of the ~23 there are in 30k
>>47686073
>>47686116
This is what irks me most about 40k right now.
You just murder so many units, it's fucking retarded.
>>47689359
>All of them on the same side
Can Shattered Legion take allies? If so.
>Blood Angel or World Eater praetor as warlord
>Two of the following (IF dude, EC champion, DG Librarian)
>Allied with IM, SA, or AM characters
EC could also be given the EC relic in addition to his charnabal sabre giving him the choice of +1 I and rending or 2++ and AP 3. I don't think the fists dude benefits from any particular consul rules and his only benefit from being a praetor over a champion is the extra wound.
I would actually like the idea of them splitting up during the heresy some supporting their legion, some turning against their legion. EC vs WE would be hilarious (EC dodging everywhere while the World Eater yells like a madman trying to catch him), and BA vs Archmagos would be pretty brutal (can the BA throw out enough wounds to kill the Archmagos before he squishes him with a chainfist).
Also since a chainfist and eviscerator almost have the same rules you could always give the archmagos a paragon blade and chainfist modeled as an eviscerator, give him extra arms and make him go full General Grievous, as tall as a primarch with thin spindly limbs.
>>47689485
>EC vs WE would be hilarious (EC dodging everywhere while the World Eater yells like a madman trying to catch him), and BA vs Archmagos would be pretty brutal (can the BA throw out enough wounds to kill the Archmagos before he squishes him with a chainfist).
Now that would be awesome to see.
Yeah, I envisioned that Archmagos (Radigan) as a fuckhueg (T7 is Castellax/Mortarion toughness), albeit slender Malagra dude (+1WS, +1A, PE vs characters and MCs, Loyalist) equipped with a Paragon Blade, a Chainfist, a Rad Furnace and Rad grenades, among other stuff (like his Machinator Array and Abeyant).
Never fully fluffed him, so I rather do so.
He hails from a forge world with a very strong Ordo Reductor presence (lots of siege machines, two Ordinatii, their oathed Knight worlds have several Acheron suits), but he got stuck in a logical loop:
>"Who destroys the destroyer?"
As such he decided to specialize in the destruction of the most dangerous things he knew - his fellow Magi and Battle-Automata, ending up constructing himself a huge modular cyber-corpus and becoming what the Adeptus Mars would recognize as a Malagra.
He didn't actually kill his fellow Magi because his analysis and efforts towards destruction, specifically the ultimate erradication of all things INCLUDING the cycle of destruction itself ended up setting him free from the loop when he realized Destruction wasn't self-sustainable...not to mention he wasn't really a bad dude.
His world got discovered by the DG and he saw part of himself in them: Destroyers focusing their efforts to cleanse the galaxy of the enemies of man.
His fellow Magi, mainly Reductors, Ordinators and Myrmidon savants who ostracized him and repudied his ideas of destruction as a mere prelude to edification were all to happy to second him to the great crusade.
...cont
>>47689485
>>47689716
...cont
Back on that thread he teamed up with a DG librarian who would bear the Barbaran thurible while casting enfeeble, so that he could close in and Instant Death the squad due to inflicting -4T on them, killing 20-man squads and 2W termies at I10 without him even attacking, exterminated by his erradication aura.
On that iteration of The League, he would be under the command of Unification's SA character simply because he liked that guy and would often agree with his battle plan, even though he was about two centuries older than him.
He understands his role is to fight monsters and to endure where others can't.
>>47687716
Looks like it's time for >>47687508 to spend untold thousands on thunderhawks and FW land raiders so he can smash them up for terrain.
I like this. So what are the characters' loyalties? Based on the interesting matchups I think that World Eater and Emperor's Children should be on different sides, and so should Blood Angel and Archmagos.
For the Emperor's Children champion my thoughts were something like this
>Recruited from a world that was recently liberated from xenos
>Even before receiving the geneseed he showed speed on par with an astartes
>After becoming an astartes he became even faster and developed into a natural swordsman
>Due to his inhuman speed superior to even a primarch rumors spread that he may in fact be partially of xenos or abhuman blood
>Regarded as perhaps the single best duellist humanity has but a pretty crappy actual fighter
>Might be able to defeat Sigismund in a duel to first blood but in an actual fight Sigismund would rip him in half
>Shows off in battle often mocking his opponents and dancing around them as he fights them
>Obsessed with romanticism in warfare and is completely baffled by the pragmatic legions like the Iron Warriors and Iron Hands
>Remained loyal because he began to see himself as some tragic hero "oh to be forced to make the ultimate decision. To decide between my brothers and father, or the Imperium I swore loyalty to."
>>47688571
>badly broken arm
>needs surgery to repair it
>blood pressure is way too high, making surgery very risky
>told to cut down on the cigarettes
>'no'
>complain to press when NHS won't carry out operation because it might kill you
>>47689280
How does the BA praetor get the ID?
>>47689977
My prognosis: Dreadnought entombment. I'm an engineer.
>>47689997
It's a Melee Advanced in page 223 of HH4's campaign character creation
>>47689997
One of the FW Warlord traits gives you instant death for one fight subphase. Headsman its the 4th choice in the melee advances table. So yeah effectively strength 6, each wound causes two wounds that must be saved separately and every wound causes instant death. Short of Sigismund and maybe some Salamanders praetor builds I doubt anyone could survive that one round.
Well besides primarchs and Scoria.
>>47689941
FW sells a crashed Thunderhawk tile for cheaper than a Thawk.
>>47690047
Ded killy. Now all he needs is to be run with the jump pack RoW so he can get +1I on the charge and do all that before his opponent has a chance to swing back at him.
>>47690295
>Fractal-Harrow Blade (Raven Guard Relic): Yet another S+1 Rending power sword (albeit not a specialist weapon, enjoy your +1A). Not the best, but for each wound caused by this weapon the weapon's BEARER (so all you need is to have it, FAQ confirms) is counted as two wounds for the purposes of assault results, meaning easier victories. Remember that Blood Angel OP sword of double-wounding? Well this one's just like that, but with worse AP, not master crafted, you need your opponent's permission to use it and the extra wounds are just pretending, not actual wounds. Too bad.
Not only do some relics suck, but that BA sword of double wounding is absolutely OP, as it effectively makes your praetor (4 + charge + digital weapon) * 2 = A12 on the charge, Master-Crafted, by the way.
As in he gets more attacks than fucking Angron, at presumably half the price.
Hell, it's even better than their own photonic blade relic.
>>47690295
>>47690537
btw he should have the Master of Offence (Furious Charge) WT, so it can stack with his Encarmine Fury to give him 12 WS7 S7 AP2 MC Instant Death attacks on the charge, at I7 when using a Jetpack in the Day of Revelation, while the rest of your army uses the MegaDakka®.
>Call the Warmaster, he can't unrend you.
Papa Sangy, weep for all of us...and pray that this nigga is loyal, otherwise we'd suffer with the inclusion of yet another Scoria-tier murderhobo, never mind Horus.
...actually, that would be quite a challenge for the League to tackle, and I did say the Malagra was loyal :^)
>>47690729
I assumed we were using the basic character creation rules before any further advances so he only gets one stat advance and his warlord trait.
Slowly working my way through 2x10 simple tactical squads.
The vexilla bearers. Now I see that I forgot to clean one banner.
>>47691136
And some regular tacticals wearing pilfered high elf bits.
If a model has a two-handed weapon and a regular melee, and he uses the regular, will he get the bonus attack for having two weapons? I know he doesn't if he uses the two-handed.
>>47691411
I'd argue not but there's nothing I the rules saying goes so I don't think
>>47691567
>nothing in the rules saying so I don't think
Gosh I'm retarded
>>47690039
>HH4's campaign character creation
That sounds interesting, details of what's in there?
>>47689258
They had way before Alpharius was found. It sort of was the first thing Angry Ron did after Khârn wrestled him.
>>47692375
Yea, Angron basically didn't think the Astartes were proper warriors without the nails, so he got to it as soon as he could
I can't see the point of taking a Malcador over a Leman Russ in a IM list.
Also, can IM not take Malcador Defenders, or have I just missed where it is?
>>47688571
>>47689977
Why not just chop it off and replace it with a fake arm instead?
>>47691136
>>47691147
Your bases look a bitdusty.
>>47692508
And we all know how that ended.
>>47692656
if he cant have surgery to fix it, he cant have surgery to have it off can he
>>47692676
Planetary bombardments are dust magnets.
I'm actually not sure how I'll paint the bases. A cool white and grey-white concrete dust pigments on the units, or a warmer sandstone yellow and desert dust pigments.
>>47690809
That's a better approach, yeah.
Then the WE gets 8 WS8 attacks, the BA gets to use the op sword at effectively S6 and the Archmagos is regular S4 instead of S5
>>47691990
>That sounds interesting, details of what's in there?
It's "Your Dudes: The Rules", a very nice concept, albeit the Movement advances table is dumb and the Morale Advances are Melee mostly, so there are only two real tables:
Melee Advances and Command Advances.
I'd propose
>Movement Advances table
1.- Gain MTC
2.- Gain Scout. If he already has it, gain Acute senses
3.- +1" to move, run and charges
4.- Hit & Run
5.- +1 to cover
6.- The character and his unit can shoot and run in the same phase. If any of them wasn't able to run (Lumbering advance, Slow and Purposeful etc) or has any heavy/ordnance weapons, they run on 2D6 and discard the highest dice.
>>47692796
About as well as it could have, honestly
Say, a few hours ago the page wouldn't let me post. Was it only me?
>>47692375
>>47692508
Aaaaw, to bad Aang Ron sperged out so soon. I always thought that, after De'Shea he only agrees to stay with his legion, but the efforts to remove his nails continues for some time, and after they failed and the legion decided instead to get their own nails, some more time had to pass in order for them to be developed and implemented.
It's not like they went "woah you have nails on your head? Sgt! Pass me my hammaer!".
I was hoping to be able to run a sort of miniquest but I wanted both the AL and non-crazed WE to be available, with the option to acquire the nails as a choice later in the campaign.
But maybe a little tweaking can be done? You wouldn't report to your Primarch after all (but they did changed some aspects of their legions, albeit Alpharius less so).
>>47692568
Superheavy benefits, but SA can field them better and have a reason to do so (their Russes aren't heavy).
Why do you want a Defender, though? Fluff, I presume.
>>47693556
Nah, 4chinz was down for a bit
>>47693382
Alright, that's cool, I'll check it out. Unless that's the whole thing?
>>47693556
Ah, alright. Nah, with the Defender I just like the model is all.
I already own a few Leman Russes, so I'm good when it comes to tanks. I'm thinking of maybe Tainted Flesh plus Feral Warriors, with the infantry taking as many CCWs as possible, and the tanks being the only shooters in the army. A little bit fluffy right there.
>>47693686
That's the second part of it. Roll dice, your snowflake gets boosted, and then he grows further from combat experience.
Unless he's killed, of course.
>Based red black, lava cracked, color scheme
>based on warhounds hunting much larger targets while reavers and warlords provide kill shots
>Crusades with the World Eaters
>Use fucking Harpoons
>Ursus Claws bitches
>Takes out Emperor Titan like a scrub while allowing the World Eaters to take it without destroying it.
What is the best traitor Titan Legio and why isn't it the Ember Wolves?
Ordering my first titan and really trying to justify building a giant harpoon gun on a warlord titan...
>>47693794
>>47693812
They even have a casualty table (correctly understanding it means both killed and wounded, like what happened to Azrael), and your character can be captured and you end up playing a rescue mission.
It's a little hard to rescue him without blowing everything up...along with him.
Dear Forge World, why don't you have Jump Pack upgrade kits I can buy?
>>47693382
>Then the WE gets 8 WS8 attacks,
WS9, 6 base +1 for stat boost +1 for charge +1 in challenges via LA rules
>Archmagos is regular S4 instead of S5
Could make him an archmagos reductor, WS, BS, S, T 5 by default. Wargear options are a bit shittier but he has access to phosphex
>>47694053
>WS9, 6 base +1 for stat boost +1 for charge +1 in challenges via LA rules
I thought the +1 to WS on charge was the Master of Blades Melee Advance.
>Could make him an archmagos reductor, WS, BS, S, T 5 by default. Wargear options are a bit shittier but he has access to phosphex
It could work, albeit the he can't have both a Paragon blade and a chainfist (I could replace it with a regular power fist, and breacher charges are power fists on initiative) and can't have both a Rad furnace and a Machinator array (but he could bring a Scyllax retinue).
But at least he can shoot two armour ignoring weapons now (meltagun that Explodes! on a 4+, fuck forts!), so it may be even more fitting, and still be S5 T7 (albeit at WS5 base A2). And he hails from a Reductor world anyway, so yeah, it could work.
>>47693812
According to that, all the +1 covers are cumulative with shrouded except ruins. Oops
>>47694013
Since they released a couple of Cataphractii upgrade kits specifically for the BaC plastics and changed all their weapon sets to have hands pre-attached to work better with BaC, they obviously want to push those plastics as the new standard.
Here's my tinfoil hat theory on why they haven't retrofitted bolt pistols, chainswords and jump packs into a BaC upgrade kit:the next box set will have plastic assault marines
>>47694294
FW's stupid typos, man. That table is useless.
Move through cover alone trumps half of that table, and camaleoline fucks the other half (but stacks).
Also, I want to assume "Ferocious Escalade" (Melee advances #1) causes the enemy to test on 3D6 and discard the lowest, otherwise it actually improves the enemy's Ld, as they literally can't fail a test unless they are Ld5.
>>47694368
I'd be excited but I hate Mk IV assault marines, which if they follow B@C is what they'd be. Mk II best assault marines, and I've already got 20 anyway
>>47694957
I'd consider using Assault marines but they're simply too expensive. If they costed 200pts maybe.
Are Reavers (or Justaerins) fluffy choice in a loyalist Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves army list? I know that they are allowed rules-wise, but due to the fluff in the LACAL and AoDL they are mentioned as replacing the usual Despoilers along with Chthonian ganger mentality supplanting the Terran heritage.
Would there even be any SoH/LW on loyalist side or would they more likely be blackshields?
>>47695103
I use them because I'd rather have a hoard of assault marines moving 12" than a hoard of tacticals footslogging, and I already have a hoard of tacticals in a spartan. I also don't want another spartan. I haven't actually used them yet, so I can't say it's a great plan, but that's my logic
>>47695503
Some definetly.
Just decide reavers are not reavers but loyalists that had to make do with what they had and are semi veterans :^).
Or small troops that had to be able to handle all kinds of enemies.
1k reasons you can make up yourself.
>>47695503
>Are Reavers (or Justaerins) fluffy choice in a loyalist Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves army list?
nope. definitely not justaerin.
using blackshield rules would probably make more sense
>>47694368
I'd love it as it would be a nice option for plastic destroyers.
>>47695503
>>47695576
>>47695621
Reavers could be loyalists, but as for the Justaerians that's an ice cube's chance in hell. You could use a third option and say "almost a loyalist".
>>47695769
they are not marke as traitor exclusive, are they?
Therefore why not use justaerin count as.
>>47695799
>they are not marke as traitor exclusive, are they?
they should be
>>47694368
I've seen rulours of assault marines and breachers in the same box many times. So maybe mk3 assault marines?
Like a child on Christmas. Can't wait to get started in a few days, too busy now.
Everything about this box is perfect (except the Contemptor)
>>47695769
Eh, given how Justaerin were given 2W simply as an excuse to explain their stupid price I'd say you could do whatever you want and bring your loyalist version
>>47695886
Loken and Tarik also disagreed.
So we have precedence and they were in the mournival.
>>47695921
Woopsie.
>>47695938
Hello Australia
>>47695925
name 1 justaerin who was a loyalist
>>47695991
The gods were not with me today.
>>47696010
Fido Loyalgaddon
>>47696060
Thats a space wolf anon.
>>47695925
I thought Loken and Tarik were just captains instead of Justaerins, like all Justaerins are veterans but not all veterans are Justaerins.
>>47696010
Word of Forgeworld says there were traitors from every loyalist legion, but I bet you can't name any traitor Ultramarines.
>>47696196
>>47696196
rawbutt girlyman was a traitor. the whole legion were traitors.
>>47696196
>but I bet you can't name any loyalist Ultramarines.
Fixed it for you sempai.
>>47696196
Of course you can't, Ultras 5pure7thishit. But creating those Thorn traitor UM destroyer was fun.
>>47696250
Tylos Rubio became a Knight-Errant so thats one.
>>47694957
I don't mind MkIV Despoilers, but man do I hate MkIV jump packs. MKII all the way.
>>47695938
>Basketball Bearer caught forever firing off a fadeaway jumper
In the desperate betrayal of the age of darkness men still slam the jam.
>>47696460
I always thought it was an invisible trombone routine.
>We discuss the import issues here on /hhg/
>>47696285
>But creating those Thorn traitor UM destroyer was fun.
That's my point, just because we can't name any specific dudes doesn't mean they weren't exist. There could've been a few loyalist Justaerin.
>>47696831
name one
>>47696871
Kabrak Ghorlest. He's a loyalist Justaerian sergeant who I just made up.Shut up, I'm not good at names, okay?
>loyal Justaerian
As I said before once one of my dudes was a Justaerian that was almost a loyalist.
>Was demoted after awakening hidden fun stuff from its slumber on one planet, and had to serve in the 74th company for years until forgiven
>just wanted to get his Cataphractii back on and to hang with his Reaver Chieftan bro
>finally got back in Horus's good graces just before the Istvaan 3 Atrocity
>had a bad feeling after his bro told him what he missed
>tfw the Virus Bombing
>is this a dream.jpeg
>Horus can do no wrong right?
>let's_see_where_this_leads_to.jpeg
>tfw Gal Vorbark and daemons
>tfw Lupericai, more daemons, mutations and the Vengeful Spirit becoming a madhouse
>Maybe we're on the wrong side
>tried to bring back some order to the legion
guise why cant i have loyalist gal vorbak?
>>47696966
Where the fuck is my loyalist Erebus
>>47696966
I was literally just looking through their rules to try to work out where it says they can't be loyalists. Haven't found it yet, anyone got anything?
>>47696966
What a waste of repeating dubs and regular dubs.
>>47696966
>Get possessed with demons of Tzeentch
>"For the Emperor, Johnny, do it for Him! Fuck this Tzeentch guy and ruin his plans, we have other plans!"
>FOR EMPEROR AND IMPERIUM!.
What's the purpose of the holes in the Betrayal at Calth arms? For magnetizing?
>>47696966
>>47697043
>>47697045
>>47697047
>Vorbak gals not restricted to Traitors only
Nigga, I already gave you Ye Olde Imperial Heralds using a loyal Zardu motherfucking Layak with Anakatii, Daemons and Dark channeled Ashen Circle as loyal marines with unstable DAoT, and it was nice.
Srsly, have some imagination.
>>47696966
Hell, you can have a loyalist Lorgar.
>>47697045
nope. they can be loyalists. rules say so, so its fluffy and totally ok. nevermind that nobody can name one.
glorp demondick is my new loyalist GV sergeant, hes super loyal and his is that he killed sevatar.
>>47697045
You mean this giant eye of horus stamp that limits them to traitor factions?
>>47697045
AoDL. Page 92. You don't get to use ANY of the Word Bearers rules or units unless you play them as Traitors.
>>47697111
Eh?
>>47697171
eeeeh?!
>>47697136
Huh.
>>47697136
>>47697199
Oooor you could ignore the Traitor restriction and use what the book suggests: your dudes, even using a traitor Ferrus vs loyal Fulgrim example .
>>47697242
where does the book suggest 'your dudes'? that shit is cancer
>>47697226
Trust forgeworld to use one format on the rules pages of 12 of the 13 legions (a box on each unit entry saying if it's faction-restricted) and then do something different for one of them. Their rules writing really is ridiculous sometimes.
>>47697171
>>47697199
[scouse intensifies]
>>47697267
I'm having lunch, anon. It's in book 4 or something, near the campaign section, maybe. I'll look it up later.
>>47697267
Okay now this is bait.
>>47697242
>Guys why can't I do this?!?!?!
>Well because the rules say so
>Fuck this Imma do the other way around then
Okay then.
I'm all for Your Dudes but some canon can't be changed that much especially if it's just to place 1 unit on your table.
my traitor custodes and traitor sisters of silence force is going to ally with traitor imperial fists who are painted like BT because muh dudes
>>47697352
Have fun!
>>47697352
Sounds cool, anon. Look forward to seeing them painted. Traitor SOS is interesting, is that a "wait, emps and malcador are psykers, what the fuck is this hypocrisy?" sort of angle?
>>47697267
What, are you one of those faggots who thinks if you aren't using the exact units painted exactly perfect to canon for a specific battle it's not right?Sorry, I'm just butthurt because someone turned down a game with me today because my models "weren't canon" and was telling other people not to game with me because of my converted mkV
Jokes on him it would of been an easy win as well, I'm terrible
>>47697415
Story time?
>>47685641
So wrong
>>47693796
Where is the sauce on this awesomeness
>>47697397
well the primary force is going to be pert with his robot because wow big robots are so cool lol
theyll be allied with traitor BT imperial fists because black is easy to paint and then the custodes and sisters of silence are there because they will be OP. haha
>>47697397
And the Custodes could have gone rogue due to some psyker-induced madness during the battle of Prospero.
Traitor IF have already been established of course.
>>47697445
ADB
>>47687295
Why not read BL, I need so.ething to do between codexs
>>47697497
muh Index Astartes!
>>47697450
Interesting, I guess it's set some time during the scouring. I could see it, with the IW fucked 7 times to sunday and desperate for any allies they can get?
>>47697528
nah its going be to set right after phall
they got stuck on perts ship and were like woah this guy is cool
>>47689963
Pretty mary suesy bro
>>47697445
Betrayer.
>>47697450
>gunmetal/black/yellow
>black/white/(yellow/gold)
>red/gold
>red/gold
With yellow/gold as a linking colour that could all tie together quite nicely, and end up looking amazing.
>>47693796
I fucking hate WEs but I'll be damned if they don't have the best fleet and Titan tactics.
>>47697555
>A Primarch's overpowering presence has the effect any pretty much any Astartes.
So Perty sees how easy these guys turn and that is why he sinks even deeper into his paranoia, leading of course to the creation of the beep-boops. Pretty sweet anon.>>47697604
>best fleet tactics.
That's Morty anon.
>>47695503
Fucking reavers man. Those guys carry all of my games so hard I should give them bigger backs.
>>47696936
>Shut up, I'm not good at names, okay?
This is true, as a Son of Horus his name should have been Kabrak Ghorlestaddon.
>>47697434
Not much of a story to it really, but I'll go ahead anyway
>Walk into FLGS looking for a game, end up talking to new guy
>mentions he has a HH army
>offer a game, to which he is very eager to begin
>whips out the most meticulously painted, authentic ultramarines I've ever seen
>they were actually quite impressive
>sort of sneers when I bring out my White Scars, which are pretty heavy on kitbashing and conversions
>(paraphrasing, cant remember exactly what he said) "oh we cant play, there haven't been any books with Ultramarines fighting White Scars yet"
>wat
>"and I'm pretty sure your models are fake"
>double wat
>for the record, none of them are fake, I have lots of bits on my guys, but my bikers are GW bikers converted to have mkV riders
>packs up and then goes around the store telling everyone I have fake models and they should avoid me
>the manager knows I don't because I bought a good chunk of them from the store
>end up playing the same Ork guy I've played for the last couple weeks, ended up being pretty funny as he brought nothing but Gazghull, flyers, and full squad ork boyz
I think the guy had mild autism or aspergers, there was just something off about him when he spoke
>>47697663
sounds like the typical ultramarine player
>>47696196
Name a single traior IF or SA. Just because they don't have a book about them doesn't mean they exist.
>>47697663
"mild" autism, you say?
>>47697627
Ships with harpoons to hold ships in place while they point blank Nova cannon them.
GOAT
>>47697415
>because my models "weren't canon" and was telling other people not to game with me because of my converted mkV
Now don't start that again.
>>47697663
Does the idiot refuse games against everybody except word bearers and world eaters or something?
>>47697663
Leandros?
>>47697663
>>47697694
>oh we cant play, there haven't been any books with Ultramarines fighting White Scars yet
>>47697811
Sounds more like Sicarius
>I, Cato Sicarius, claim victory by default! Another success for Cato Sicarius!Who is the 30k equivalent of Sicarius? Lucius?
>>47697911
>Desperate for glory.
Skorr.
>>47694290
>I thought the +1 to WS on charge was the Master of Blades Melee Advance.
Yes he takes +1 WS, master of blades, and since he is a world eater he is +1 WS in challenges.
>>47694290
>albeit the he can't have both a Paragon blade and a chainfist
Model him however you want, gamewise the chainfist was redundant anyway on a strength 10 character. The rad furnace isn't strictly neccessary anyway since he could still ID T6 MCs in single combat. IMO if you want him to be a general type character go Ordo Reductor, if you want him to be a super spooky dude make him the Malgara assassin.
>>47697701
>IF
Felix Cassander. Just because Fabius forced him, doesn't make him any less traitor.
>SA
142nd Solar Auxilia cohort, raised directly from Cthonia.
>>47697923
sicarius actually succeeds, though
>>47689963
>speed on par with an astartes
>>47697627
WE HEARD SOMEONE BOOP?
loyalist btfo
>>47698584
Did anyone win the Heresy harder than he did? He almost single-handedly destroyed the Imperium, doomed mankind to decline and extinction, and got away with it sans one hand and even runs his Legion in M41.
>>47698622
>sans one hand
and a face.
>>47698622
How did he win? Ultramar still stands and Girlyman got away with everything.
And 10K years later, he goes down to one knee to a Space Marine and prepares himself to deliver the Throne of the Imperium to him.
How many Primarchs actually attained Daemonhood during the Heresy? Just Angron and Magnus?
>>47698722
I think Magnus was after the HH, Angron, Mortarion and Fulgrim are Demons by the time of the siege.
>>47698067
Meant salamanders
Hmmm...
What combination of Provenances should I use for my army?
Tainted Flesh + Cult Horde
Tainted Flesh + Feral Warriors
Cult Horde + Feral Warriors
I'm thinking of Melee focused infantry, with Leman Russes to protect them from enemy shooters. Maybe swap their auxilia rifles with an extra CCW.
>>47698742
>>47698722
Magnus is a DP at the end of A Thousand Sons
>>47697663
>"oh we cant play, there haven't been any books with Ultramarines fighting White Scars yet"
I thought people like this were a joke, please tell me you're trolling for the sake of my sanity.
>>47698722
I think Morty ascends just before or during the siege
>>47698914
Nope, guy was full on serious when he said it
I wonder what his reaction would be if I play a game against one of the 'nids players
How do I best equip the Cataphrachtii from Betrayal at Calth? EC player by the way.
>>47697267
>>47697324
So, the Word Bearers not only fucked up the setting, but also the tabletop?
>TRIGGERED
Won't have that, and apparently neither will FW
Campaigns are the closest thing to Historical Reenactments in the game, and even there there is huge flexibility on how you may play them and the nature of your forces.
Imagine what you are allowed to do on casual gaming...as long as your opponent agrees with you, that is.
The important thing is to have fun and hobby on, anons.
>>47697352
On threads past we had a Reverse-legion edition (and people seemed to like it), consisting of:
Traitor Ultramarines consisting mainly of Destroyers and other outcasts, painted in black with sgt red helmets, swapping out the laurels for thorns and following Aeonid Thiel's thesis on Astartes vs Astartes combat
Traitor Imperial fists (Crimson Gauntlets) who were even angrier Black Templars, started seeing the imperium as a lazy institution who had lost its way and ended up losing themselves to Khorne
Loyal Word Bearers (Imperial Heralds) using Layak's rules but fluffed them as using lots of DAoT stuff to perform their trademark Space Catholic's Ethnic Cleansing^2 ®, even going so far as to use Thunder Warrior-grade experimental augmentation (Gal Vorbak, Anakatii). But you never know with DAoT stuff...
Traitor Salamander newbies who understood the Promethean Cult wrong and focused on the flame aspect a little too much, using the Awakening Fire RoW and lots of Pyromancy librarians.
As in, we took the iconic loyalists/traitors and made them still make sense when their loyalties were inverted.
But past thread was pretty much "How 30k is exclusively a historical reenactment game and using Your Dudes is wrong: The Thread", so I understand nobody is going to like everything.
>>47699110
You sell them off because they can't sweep, can't run and have unwieldy weapons, which negate all of your legion bonuses.
If that's not an option, then:
>single lightning claw for "cheaper and shittier phoenix terminators"
>dual lightning claw for "shittier phoenix terminators that are slightly better against MEQ"
>chainfists for "incredibly slow anti-tank"
>chainfists and a phobos or spartan for "incredibly expensive anti-tank"
>chainfists and a dreadclaw for "incredibly unreliable anti-tank"
>>47698970
He'll demand you only play as EC or BA and cite it as you fighting the Megarachnids of Murder, which while superficially similar to Tyranids, are not the same species.
Even FW hate the Space Wolves.
>>47699110
You give them Power Scythes and play Death Guard instead.
>>47699561
>mfw
Wait is that guy's picture a furry?
>>47699625
I think it is. How horrifying.
>>47698864
Anyone?
>>47699561
>Lemun Russ
Leeman
Leman Ross
...
>>47699670
I think the memes have bleed too much into real life. http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0
There's a result on that called "meme delusion". Please tell me that's what we're all suffering from.
>>47699561
based
>>47699716
What do you mean? This was on a thread a little while ago by Magos Generatus
>>47688093
>>47699716
>Dat augmentations and aquisitions tables
HHNNNNGGGG. Now I want to make a full Explorator contingent of those guys!
>>47698864
Anyone?
>>47700239
If I knew I would tell you bud, depends on what you want to do with them.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Militia_and_Cults_(30k)
By the way, you were talking about using IM and LA together or something?
That's an Army of dark compliance, akin to the Tyrant's legion, found in book 6, not a RoW, srry.
>>47700159
Roll a toaster molester up and post the results, m8. Maybe turn him into a special character for a Mechanicum force.
>>47700298
Hmmm... Reading on their doesn't really have any useful advice for me.
Most likely, once I've built up my IG and shelled out money for the FW conversion kits, because those look amazing, I'll probably make some Word Bearers to lead these Cultists.
Are Mhara Gal really that bad? Expensive, sure, but always forcing break checks with shooting if there's a casualty, reroll successful invulns in cc, effectively immune to flamers and to plasma from the front, ignores all terrain, getting hit on a 5+ by basically anything that isn't another Dreadnought or certain Primarchs. Are Word Bearers really that reliant on psykers that it's a huge hindrance?
>>47696250
>>47696236
I don't understand. Why/how were they traitors?
Sup /hhg/ I'm thinking of starting a Raven Guard force, but not to sure on how to go about painting black so that is stands out, any hints?
>>47700862
They're really overcosted. And since it hurts Daemons and Psykers, the only army they'll be hurting is themselves, as Burning Lore makes your guys Psykers, and your unqiue units are all Daemons. And your Primarch is also a Psyker.
So yes, it's bad.
>>47700942
Meme and more or less likely the whole Imperial Seccundus deal.
>>47700942
Two words.
Imperium. Secundus.
Two more words.
And. Memes.
>>47700942
Because Guilliman's response to noticing that the Astronomicon had gone out and that a full half of his brothers had rebelled, was to try and establish order and stability within the Galactic East, rather than rushing to make sure Terra was okay, or to immediately take it back if it had fallen. He called this operation, Imperium Secundus. His detractors, including some of his brothers, declared that he was abandoning the Imperium and his father and was attempting to usurp power for himself. He saw it instead as having a back up plan in place to ensure that the Imperium survived even if everything else went to hell. It was a polarizing decision that also acts as a new plot hook for player's armies who wish to play traitors of legions that traditionally didn't turn, like the Ultramarines and Blood Angels. Marines who strongly disagreed with the concept of Imperium Secundus.
Historically, we know that Terra had not fallen and Imperium Secundus was eventually scrapped. But historical revisions by the Administratum, the Ecclesiarchy, and the Inquisition, would ensure that there was never any doubt in the slightest that Guilliman would ever have abandoned Terra.
But because we're on the internet...memes take over and Guilliman gets called a traitor.
>>47701116
>Leave your father to die
>Not Traitor
>>47700986
>And your Primarch is also a Psyker.
Oh, yea. Probably just take a Leviathan in that case.
>>47701139
It's a shame too, because I absolutely LOVE the Mhara Gal model. I'm indifferent about the Gal Vorbak models, but I'd so love to run an army consisiting of Zardu Layak, Mhara Gal, and Gal Vorbak.
>>47700942
probably because they abandoned terra in favor of some backwater shithole in the middle of nowhere
>>47701116
Wait, The Blood Angels turned? I thought Sanguinius was loyal to the core?
Maybe I just need to brush up on my lore.
>>47701319
Nah, nigga. Papa Sang was loyal till the end. You're a loyalist if you don't have robotic dinosaurs filled with daemons.
>>47701319
He was loyalist, which is why, unlike Guilliman, he headed back to Terra.
>>47701380
>dinosaurs filled with daemons.
So, Matroshka Gal?
>>47701319
I'll say it again.
Legions =/=Primarchs
Legions were 80-100,000+ marines with a fraction of the psychoindoctrination and safeguards found in M41 marines. You're going to have dissenters, either due to issues in their implantation, physical or psychological damage, or even just their personality not melding to what their primarchs expected. Every legion had some element that ended up opposing whatever side their primarch was on because every legion had immense variety held within it.
>>47701424
Yes. I don't know why the Chaos Gods love dinosaurs so much besides children thinking dinos are awesome and the Chaos Gods being children, but who am I to judge?
>>47701455
>>47701571
Eh Chaos Titans might as well be Godzilla.
I've never understood people that get so autistic over following canon. Fuck, literally any army can fight any other army and you can explain it away somehow. You could literally have two armies of ultramarines facing off and just pretend it's a training exercise for the neophytes or some shit. You could have pre-heresy world eaters fighting Tyranids and just pretend it's some obscure alien civilization on some random world during the great crusade. Seriously, I don't even know the fluff that well and I could make a legit background for pretty much any situation you could come up with.
>>47701698
Completely agree sir. Gib example plz, for the fun of it.
>Two armies of ultramarines facing off and just pretend it's a training exercise for the neophytes or some shit
>"Woah, Lorgar, you brought a lot of training phosphex shells"
>"Myeah...training!"
>>47701760
This is the entire plot of the story, "Rules of Engagement." Yes, they do train with primach-equivalents and simulated deadly weapons as well.
>>47688252
>Ahriman vs Bjorn
>and/or Russ vs Magnus
>https://youtu.be/-b-7tP7IW5Q
>>47701919
Sounds nice, but I'm still trying to find what it has to do with the duel between a giant scholar and a giant viking
>>47701760
Heck that could be the plot on its own. At the brink of the heresy, a group of Marines plots to sabotage a training exercise.
>>47701820
Well with all the advanced tech and shit, I'm sure the space Marines have some fancy training simulator methods
>>47702042
> At the brink of the heresy, a group of Marines plots to sabotage a training exercise.
And by doing so they advert a greater conspiracy
>>47702042
Possibly, but the examples presented were full, country-sized training zones, not just VR.
>>47702076
Idk, I just know that back when I played 40k for a brief time around 4th edition, around 7 years ago, I never met someone who would even consider bitching about army matchups being canon or whatever. In fact it was pretty much encouraged that you could make up the story to fit it. Even the campaign that happened, the Medusa V campaign iirc, maybe it was another one, all the factions could fight each other no problem. You just fought people and then submitted the results, and they tracked the performance of each faction.
>>47702126
That's because at the time, a loud portion of the fanbase would shout, "It's bullshit grimdark! You can't take it seriously!" at people like me, who would try to weave the lore together and come up with reasonable, in-universe explanations to fix up plot holes. Now it seems to have swung the opposite direction among the screeching minority.
I have an alumilite mold making kit I got as a gift a while ago and I figured I should use it.
I was considering making a personal mold, but I dont know what of. Im thinking either Tartaros terminators, or jetbikes.
>>47699561
Someone should ask why they're holding back Alpharius or Dorn
>>47702294
They've already released Alpharius.
He's in the Ultramarines section, for some reason.
>Thinking about making a Ravenwing army
>Want to run 2 full squads of jetbikes
>Go to FW website to see just how much a full squad would run
WHAT THE FUCK
>>47702463
Anyone has that FW's April Fools Alpharius kit that says it allows you to build two "very confusing" space marines?
>>47702490
As in, the pic.
>>47702467
I don't know, mang. I just don't know.
>>47702467
Jetbikes are expensive as all hell. It's literally the only thing keeping me from buying a squad.
>>47702467
Yeah.
And here I am wanting to buy a crap ton of their Renegade Militia conversion sets, simply because I like how they look.
And the fact that I need a ton of Melee arms for my guardsmen to convert into Melee Cultists.
>>47702490
>>47702467
http://maxmini.eu/gothic-jetbike-miniature?search=bike
Found these at 15 €rap-tons a piece
